The Bugle - Happy Bugling Birthday! With John Oliver

Episode Date: October 14, 2022

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Hello, Bugleers, and welcome to another special sub-bugal to celebrate 15 years of the world leading and only audio newspaper for a visual world. In this episode, I'll be talking with the person with whom I shared the bugle verse for 8 years and almost 300 full episodes of this audio newspaper. The one and only John Oliver, hello John. Hello Andy, hello Bucalus. It wasn't honour it was to share the Bucal with you for eight years. It was like being on an international space station,

but on the ground and in two different countries. Honestly, that metaphor fell apart instantly. Right. But it's still one of the most moving things anyone's ever said to me. It was just a sense of being in a very confined space. Does that make sense? Just the remorseless futility and claustrophobia. Yeah, the kind of aggressive silence occasionally.

Yeah, that made you feel like you were truly alone in the universe. Yeah. It's a glorious eight years. Well, I mean, I like to think that that probably mirrored the aggressive silence we had at, for example, our Edinburgh Preview in York. Oh, but I believe so.

I think I've had a lasting appreciation for the different kinds of silence due to the work that we were able to do live together. I think we can always tell, this is an interested audience, this is an apathetic audience, this is a very angry audience which is about to vocalise it. And in the case of... I believe you had three all three happening at once in different tables in York, I think.

And I'm forgettably of course the space in Docklands. Yes. 2004, the Night England Luster Portugal on penalties in the European Championship. Yes. That was a silence very much caused by no one else being left in the room. That's right. After the entire audience had walked out. What it was, it was the most natural sound that that room has ever produced.

It was really just the walls that were emitting their kind of silence as our voices were echoed back from the flat surfaces in that room. Voices at that point saying, shall we still continue? At what point are we just entertaining each other? And of course the answer that was at all points. And that was very much the joy of podcasting with it. Yes.

That's right. Vehicle for people who could only entertain each other. Exactly. It removed the problem contextualisation that an audience could provide. So that was 2004. Yes. The vehicle came into being, if I've done my math rightly 2022 minus 15 in 2007 so let's go back in time yeah let's leave the stats to me John let's go back

in time to 2007 now at that point you had already left the United Kingdom to try and crack it as a gold tender in the NHL if I remember that was the dream yeah I was about to host the hit 12 series of bar mitzvour or bust on the BBC. So you know, our careers were in different positions and what they are now. I mean, what do you remember of your early time in America, those early bugle episodes? Let's look at the fact that I don't think I can make it in the NHL now. I think the bar mitzvour bust dream, there's no need for that to be dead. That's as good an idea now as it was then.

Right? Sorry, what was the question? I was so open about bar mitzvah or bust. And just what potentially that game show, if it is a game show, I don't know how you've envisioned it, would involve, where else your game show either you, basically, you have your farmers for all you renounce due day itself, I don't know the bus counts as in there. It's a good show. I'm already interested and you've not explained anything about it to me. Well, I mean, that's, you know, you've been in television the long time, John, you know

that a good title can be enough to take a show a very, very long way indeed. That is true. BELL RINGS One of my earliest, you might have my sort of strongest memories of the people, was that it was our unbroadcast pilot episode. This was back in the times online days. We had various people from the times sitting in to see this new show was and

You got stuck into a group at murder because that time basically I mean he was day facto owner of the bugle and Lee you Led your cards very firmly on the table in episode zero I did that in the first one. Did I? Well, it wasn't even the first one, Johnny. It was before the first one. It's before the first one. Wow, that is a commitment to self-sabotage. That, honestly, I'm part of he's proud of it, retrospective. By biting the hand that literally hasn't fed you yet, that's... And, you know, the world that the bugle came into and when we started it, I think we had a 13 episode

deal and pretty much a blank canvas to do whatever we wanted. I mean, it pretty quickly degenerated into some fairly childish stuff about what's dead people's mystery we fancied and things like that. But the world in 2007, John, Britain had just had a new prime minister foisted on it in an undemocratic fashion. America was seriously ill at ease with itself and indeed the rest of the world. Do you feel that the whole thing's just been f**king pointless? I mean, when you put it like that, like I hadn't thought about it being pointless, but the futility is such an overwhelmingly convincing argument.

Yeah, I guess it's been a total waste of time. It's being the bugle, the concept of laughter, and I guess life on earth. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, that's not a lot to show for the last 15 years humanity, other than England winning the Euros, the England women's team, that's...

Yeah. That's something, right? Cricket World Cup, as well. What was that? Yeah. Yeah. And there was London 2012. I mean, it can't be coincidence that...

No, it was the 2012. You left the country in 2006 and just six years later we had a glorious Olympics that was great wasn't it yeah the queen really enjoyed that bingy she she did in her own way yeah in her way I've not visibly enjoying anything at all yeah happened in front of her face you allowed to say this kind of stuff anymore and then 20 years still I think I don't know I think we're still got because it you allowed to say this kind of stuff anymore? And then what's it still? I think we're still... Because you can't say anything that might be interpreted as disrespectful to a monarch with undisrespectful it is until you've waited the same amount of time that they were on the throne.

Oh, see. That's how it works. We've still got to do another 70-odd years. Oh, wow. I'll actually say that. That's the wow. There's going to be a lot of people really hanging in there on life support. The ship is saying I have something to say. It's going to be long and loud and then I will depart. But of course, I mean, as we heard in the very moving eulogies to the Queen, she didn't make the Olympics happen on her own. She built a stadium with her bare hands. She fired the starter pistol for all the races and she played water polo as well. She did, and I believe the bronze medal in the

decathlon. If I remember that right. Are you remembering that right? Yeah. It's amazing how... Really f*** up the javelin, that was the problem. She could have got gold, but you know kept fouling out on the javelin It's amazing how useful a crown is in the Poulville you want to talk that please? You wouldn't What how did how did she use that? I can't forget can't remember that Well did you was you kind of slinging it up there? How does that work? Lock it grappling hook? Because the crowns have a magic force field, don't they?

And so I think too. So I think there's more that, I think, I think. And that is why India can't have the colonel diamond back, right? It's the magic. Yeah. That's really... It's the best document I've heard for that yet, to be honest. I mean, in the 15 years since the bugle started, John, you personally, in your role as

America's voice of sanity and reason, have seen the presidencies of George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump, three out of three. You must be, you're actually pretty proud of seeing them off. Well, it's a hat, right, isn't it? Credit to term limits at the end of the day. You know, couldn't have done it without them. But, yeah, still, you know, the winds are wind. Yeah.

And one thing that we didn't touch on in the bugle, because it happened sort of in the middle of the regeneration period between you leaving to devote your life to the Lord Jesus and the bugle re-born. Barmist for a bus to lockdown. The vehicle being re-born with non-John Oliver co-hosts. Brexit happened.

And I mean, if you've not really been back here much since then, have you, even just, you know, just to... Not, I haven't. To have it. I mean, what have you made of it? Brexit from afar. Brexit from Brex, Britannia. I mean, as we've discussed, as a fan of self-sabotage,

I mean, Brexit really is absolutely... it's the gold standard, isn't it? It's basically a nation committing Harry Carey. But no clear reason. Freedom said, brave heart, as he plunged a sword into his own stomach. Lopped off his own mages. Yeah, I haven't I presume.

And he that is going great. And the, um, I mean, I saw something about the pound not being a technically a currency anymore, but I'm sure that's just growing things. That's just that's a technicality because I haven't finished scrubbing off the coins face and drawing on the King Charles' face yet.

So it's in a high-eater. So that's nothing to do with Brexit. I mean Brexit, that makes sense. Yeah, whether or not it's a success, very much depends on how you measure it. If you measure it through things like facts and reality, then you could construct an argument that it's not worked. But if you just measure it by that intangible feeling of freedom

that you can only get from slower border crossings and restriction on your freedom to move around your home continent. Then I think it's been terrific. It's really opened up a lot of doors for us to slam in our own faces. Because you can't slam a door in your face unless the door has been opened. That's the thing, isn't it? Well, that's profound. And yeah, and I guess I've fallen into the trap sometimes of seeing it through the prism of, you know, what's happening. And what that means.

But obviously that's a mistake, isn't it? Sometimes it's better just to close your eyes and imagine things working instead. Yeah, well, this is what I've constantly, all we need to make Brexit work is virtual reality headsets for every single person in the United Kingdom And then we can just live in the reality we want. It's like when a team goes six-neil down before half time at half time You might want to just sit down and think but are we sick? Or are we actually Six-neil up in a way

You know not in any way that I can kind of back up But you know in an alternate dimension maybe this game's going well. Yeah. Well, there's that to cling to, I suppose. Yeah. Talking about specifically about the bugle and your many years on the bugle. Any particular highlights for you, but preferably not involving you naked in the hotel room? I do remember that, Andy.

I mean, look, that wasn't a high point for me. You could make a really strong case that I didn't need to bring it up. I think I was worried that you would be able to hear it in my voice. There was that innate sense of shame and defeat. So I felt like, the least I could do was give you some context for that.

That was certainly a major moment. I guess I have, I don't know if I'd call them positive memories, but getting to the end of pun runs, you always feel like, like people who finish a marathon and say, I wish I hadn't done that, but I'm glad it's over. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, I see that.

I think when I first learnt about that giant penis being drawn on a roof, that was one of those moments where you think maybe there is a point in humanity and what we leave on the earth. Yeah. think maybe there is a point in humanity and what we leave on the earth. Yeah. Sometimes it's those very deep moments of hope and optimism that come from you know unexpected sources and for me it was a kid drawing a penis on a roof and then never mentioning it to anybody. Yeah I guess we would take we find the light and the darkness where we can. Yeah.

We've had a number of email sent in from Bugal listeners for this episode. So we'll just have a few of them now. This one has come from AdWateDeshmook, who addresses dear hot rod and dragster. Yep. I can't remember. Deep cut. Deep cut. I can't even remember. Does matter. I'm sure there's a reason I'm sure if you spent two hours finding that reason now it wouldn't make sense.

AdWrite says good to have you back together. Please keep coming back. It makes my ears feel good. You may be in pre-assetting that after this episode. Over the last 15 years, do you think the world has become crazier or has it always been this crazy? Are we moving towards a craziness singularity? That's getting very, very philosophical. I mean, well, on this sort of continuum of craziness, is it that? You have to be careful, don't you?

Because you know, recently biases are real things. You have people in America now saying America's never been more divided than it is at this point, which does rather emit the civil war. That is civil war erasure in its grossest form. Civil war erasure was one of the most controversial electro-pop bands of the 1980s. I have missed this.

I don't know if I can articulate what this is, but I've missed it very much. Oh good, John, thanks. I'm not sure if the world is it just revealing more of its, of its, of its true? That could be true. I mean, I think it's hard to say, isn't it? I think one of the things that's most striking is the world seems to be forgetting some key moments in relatively recent history. Now, when you have the Marko's family back in power,

in the Philippines, and you have Franco appearing in commercials for the Spanish right and Little Miss Mussolini, in Italy, it does feel like this flirtation with fascism does seem to be the beneficiary of maybe, maybe us forgetting or having the memory dulled over generations of exactly how bad it was. So yeah, we seem to be repeating mistakes that you're really not supposed to repeat. Well, I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that keeps saying that, don't know those who are ignorant of history, you know, condemned to repeat it. Yes. But really, the only thing we can learn from history, as I'm sure I've said in the show before, is that people will never ever learn from history.

So we need to just call that lesson. That's all right. Pleasure. I mean, did you think the fact that there's this flirtation with fascism as you say? I mean, it's just due to the fact that your ordinary flirtation has now become socially much more complex, and people are therefore flirting with discredited political philosophies instead. Is that even is that this is all the fault of me to John? That's a hot take. I guess I guess you have become an old enough white enough man You say you can't do anything in the workplace I'm bearing my my workplace is my own shed with only me in it

I'm very much my workplace is my own shed with only me in it. I think I should know that. Yeah, no, I don't think it's connected to the MeToo movement, Andy. But history will be the judge, right? And history's judgment will be something that, as you've said, we will not learn from in a moment. So, if history makes a sound judgment and no one reads it, does that judgment make a sound? I guess we'll just have to see what statues are being toppled in 150 years and

work it out for a minute. This one came in from Roli, dear John, Andy and Chris, in order of time spent regretting playing blue-colored animated characters in films. Oh, that's a doubt. That's a solid hit. A palpable hit. Chris couldn't be with us, though. We've got, we've got paid on the buttons today. And Roli says, I've been listening to this podcast since I was 13. I'm now 22. What advice would you give to a young adult

who's grown up on a pure diet of clean, cut bullshit washed down with the finest hogwash? Love the show, Roli. So what do you think, and what would you say to someone who's spent nine years listening to this garbage? That's a good question, isn't it? Because to your point about not having an audience,

just having the audience of each other, you don't really get to grapple with the consequences of the fact that people might be growing up on this. I guess it really depends whether you think that bullshit has any protein in it. And I think you and I would fiercely argue yes, I think, but that is of course bullshit. Well, that's a point very well made. It's kind of, it's protein eating itself essentially. Yes, yes. But that's actually quite nutritious.

Paul asks, hello, Andy and John, when you started this podcast, were you aware that you were in fact starting a new religion? Well, that's interesting. Interesting to describe the bugle as a religion. I guess that would make you as someone who disappeared from it. Very much the kind of Messiah figure. Or some kind of false profit. Well, potato potato.

Do you just want to be called a Messiah round here? No bad things can happen to Messiah's. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know. Well, guilty ones. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the Messiah. No, more of a guy.

If that's something a Messiah would say. Right. OK. Only you can be the judge. I wouldn't call it, I mean, as a religion, we're not tax exempt, right? And that's not a problem. I'm not concerned.

In America, that is what actually tells you whether you're a religion or not. So in that case no. Okay, right. So we're definitely not we're definitely not a religion, which is just point if we were religion then we might have more more sway on American politics and I'm ideally end up running the whole thing through a series of covert backhanded deals. So this came from Lee who asks 15 15 years, holy shit, I remember listening to the Bugle in High School, my question is simple, do you both stand by your preferred hotties from history? Florence Nightingale and Joanna the Mad, has any new hotty from history come

into steel, your heart's yours in inappropriate historical lust? Lee. So I'll die on the Joanne of the mad hill. Yep. Andy. Yep. Yeah. Sure, she's not going to be the easiest person to be around. But that enigmatic smile is going to drag you back in every time to as far as I'm concerned. Going to drag you back in very much like she dragged

the corpse of her dead husband around with her for many years after his death. So it's so hot, isn't it? Yeah, honestly, I'm yet to see someone who takes that crown, are you? Right. Have you started the ponzu? No, no, I've been very faithful to flown eye over the years and I don't see any reason to change that. I've been up in fact to the... there's an old museum in London by Waterloo. And I do now have a restriction order that preventing me from walking around that museum without trousers.

So, you know, I feel that, you know, my love remains strong for the 19th century's hottest nurse. It should be a joie on the mad museum, Andy. Where kids can drag a dollar out. Barca things. Amongst the many emails that were sent in by people who subscribed to the bugle email, Dean said thank you for 15 years of world-class podcasting. I've been listening from the beginning. There are not many things which have remained such a constant in my life. And it really does mean so much to me. Thank you very much for that.

Dean, another similar message is Joel asks, Holy Hell, I've been listening since day one. Honestly, it was you guys radio lab in this American life. I mean, that's so long. So I mean, podcasting, I don't think either of us have really heard of no podcasting before. I never listened to a podcast until we did one.

Right. My sister, Helen, had started her early in the year. I'd never listen to a podcast until we did one. Right. My sister, Helen, had started her earlier in the year. But I think we've now overtaken in terms of total episodes. Oh, that's good. Blasted out into the audio verse. Joel asks, when are you going to talk the Southern USA again? Again, he's stretching it from...

I think it... I'm not sure if... Oh, what a bit... North Carolina, right? Oh, yeah, yes. It was the north of the south. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, Joel asked, John, how many ties do you go through in a season? I assume you mean just season of last week tonight, rather than a baseball season, or supporting the Metz, just tearing your formal kids up pieces? That's one season or supporting the Metz to tearing your formal kids a piece. That's right. That's a good question. I mean, I think I'll repeat ties. I will, I'll be honest, I wear what is put out for me. My answer is that is a very risky road to go down, John.

That is the wrong burgundy attitude. I'm a sartorial Ron Burgundy. You put it down, I'm gonna put it on. If you did a pile, I'm putting it on my body. I'm not gonna internalize what it is. If you asked me after the show, what were you just wearing, I would not be able to tell you. And you're so, so, and your hair, what the f***? WTF, or maybe you mean what the physics, which is really physics with a pH 9F. And you know, I'm not gonna tell hair what the f*** WTF or maybe you mean what the physics

which is really physics with a pH 9F. I might know apologies for that. I don't think it's I mean I've got more of it left than I thought I would at the age of 48 to be honest. I was going to say I spread it's pretty the same isn't it Andy? Yeah. It's got might be coming forward back forward again I think. I could be a medical miracle. Wouldn't be the first for my people. Chad asks, John, have you done anything that we might have seen since you left the bugle? If so, where can we find it was any of it on Quibi, which I think might be a little dig at Nish Kumar, one of yourors who's oh really did you have a show on quibi? He did have a show on on quibi in that that show did not last

Did you know that he had it Sean Quibi or did he say he had In it was impossible for anyone to prove him wrong because in a sense everyone had a show on quibi, right? And no one did right That was the incredible thing about Quibi, wasn't it? It really made you really challenged your sense of what exists and what doesn't. So it's kind of Schrodinger's TV channel. Yes, exactly.

That's exactly what it was. I think the only thing on Quibi was a dead cat. That was just a lot of six minute videos of dead cats. Well I think you've kept yourself pretty busy with all the... Yeah, what have I done? Yeah, I'm the world's second favourite Zazu, that's not nothing right? Right, that's a big thing. Yeah, number two. I mean, how many...

Silver medals, Azu? I mean, I saw a lost track of the total, the final Smurf movie count. Are they still going? Or are you not allowed to say? I think they're still going, Andy. Now, is this Vanity Smurf still going? I don't know.

I haven't seen those first two Smurf movies, but I don't know. I haven't seen those first two Smurf movies, but I don't know. Perhaps they've kind of worked out a kind of voice system where I can appear in it for the rest of time. Like they do when after people die. Yeah. So yeah, I think there are Smurf movies being made. I'm not making those Smurf movies, Andy.

So I don't know what that means. In the canon of the smurf universe I Think I did my toe in for two motion pictures, right? Smurfs and then Smurfs too, right first one in New York second one in Paris, right? I don't know they might have gone To Bora Bora in the third one. I don't know And It's a Bora Bora in the third one, I don't know.

And though I remember a while ago, I saw that there was going to be a vanity smurf adaptation of a picture of Dorian Gray. Is that still on the cards? Ah, it's so difficult for me to talk about this, I think. It's going to be very expensive. I love the script, I love the project. It's not suitable for children at all, which apparently is a problem. But I think if you're really going to tell the full horror of the Dorian Grey story, and

I tried to inject some of that into my portrayal of fantasy smurf, Andy, that sense of, you know, we're grappling with Narcissus in a way. And so that was there, I believe, in my portrayal. Other people would say, no, you just made your voice slightly posture and a little bit higher. I'm in that. Potato potato. Yeah, exactly. I mean, what is the art of acting, I guess, is? That's right. Yeah, it's reacting. And I was reacting to nobody, because I was alone in the soundboats. This question comes from Abra, who asks, do you think that Sylvia Burlusconi has joined

the coalition government in Italy in celebration of the Bugles 15th anniversary? Is it a touching tribute from former Bugle favourite, Sylvia? So it's the question that Sylvia can answer, right? I guess so. I don't look deep within that witheredered heart of his to see if he seems like a man who's not afraid of his respect.

Yeah, who's to say? I guess asking. All right. Somebody should ask him. And then just, yeah. We live in the same continent, so, yeah, I'll put, I'll put through that. What would you window in the L? She also asks, what would each of you like as a birthday present for the bugle from Silvio Burlesconi? And Barry and money could basically pinch

anything in Italy. What would you? Best birthday present I ever got and he was a whole E-damp cheese. So kid, sorry about that. Right. I couldn't believe it. The whole thing round E-damp cheese. The whole thing. I wanted it. I got it and I was glad that I got it. Right. I've never forgotten just the feeling of wax all the way around. I cannot believe I have this cheese. Right. All of it. That's that. Holy damn cheese. Holy damn. I just, I know what you're picturing in your head. I think I worry that you're picturing a quarter of an E damn cheese or half an E damn cheese.

And that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying a whole E damn. A whole E damn. And so how old are you? I mean, it must have been sort of the size of your head, wasn't it? Death, I think it might have, might have been bigger. I think I was seven years old.

That's right. That's amazing. I mean, cheese is a... Probably only some cheese. Yeah. I'm a huge part of everyone's life. Cheese. I've had Chris Addison on a few times on the bugle and we were reminishing a while ago about his wedding when you, amongst others, goaded me at about three in the morning into eating a chunk of bry that was inadvisably big. It was, I mean, a chunk is just not the right description. I think when people picture a chunk of bry,

they're not pitching what you ate. Yeah, you're right, it's medically unsound. A doctor would say, Andy, which is, yeah, you're right, it's medically unsound. A doctor would say, Andy, you can do this, but you shouldn't, and there are going to be ramifications here. It was absolutely spectacular. It was a lovely wedding. I imagine. I've forgotten a great deal of it. I do remember you eating that cheese, because I remember crying with laughter. Like, tears, a wet face, not like one tear, like no distinguishable tears because they were streaming, as I watched you eat swallow

and then struggle. And basically fully immersed in a brie sweat. It's the way I would have wanted to go, be thus survived. Finally, Keith emailed in saying, the boys are back in town. That is how you open an email, Keith. Doesn't matter where you go from there, you have my full attention. Congratulations to Andy on 15 years of unrelenting bullshit and commiserations to the bastard who defected,

Splitter, look what you could have won. I mean, that's true. If you'd start with the bugle, you too could be doing cricket stats on the radio during the summer. But anyway Keith had a question, what subject John in the past umpteen years by umpteen I think he means seven also since she stopped in the bugle? Would you have wanted to cover on the bugle more than on your own show? What thing do you think you would have thought? What a great question. I guess it's something that you want to be able to slow down for

to give it more time and attention than the subject deserves. That would be the metric I would consider there. This is a very long pause for. Well I'm really engaging in the question. It's a good long pause for... Well I'm really I'm really gauging the question. That's a good question. I think you've been doing telly too long John that's that's very much a non-audio friendly length length of gap. There was a British family that terrorised New Zealand for a week. Do you remember that? There was like British kids who were just on the loose just... Oh yeah, very clearly. Terrorising New Zealand. Yeah.

Remember thinking... I think that would be great to talk about for two hours. A metaphor for modern Britain. Exactly. And Keith himself suggested he thought he would probably have been Boris Johnson that you'd have liked to talk. Now I've talked about that, yeah. We talked about Boris Johnson on the show here, but to a sense, it's a little Lord's Ministry returns. It's the same thing with Trump, right?

It's so superficially absurd. It's hard to find anything meaningful underneath it. He was prime minister for a justifiably pitiful short amount of time, just under three years. But it was between you leaving New Can Boris Johnson becoming prime minister, that was about 13 years. Do you think it would have been worth just going anywhere for 16 years to avoid being in Britain whilst Boris Johnson was probably, even if that had been on your own naked in Antarctica? Would you have taken this just to not be here for those three years? I think so, and the thing that would keep you going in the, you know, the darkness of an Arctic winter, you know, the unforgiving tundra ahead of you, the wind howling and your only friend to some extent, it would be having to remind yourself it could be worse.

I could be living in a country suffering under Boris Johnson's impetuous pseudo-carrysmatic decisions. Yep. Well, I think you made the right call there, John. Well, that brings us to the end of our audience, audience Q and A. Yeah, so, well, I mean, do come back in 15 years time for the 30th anniversary. I'm sure the world will be going great by then.

I think. I think it really feels to be like the world about to turn it around. I really feel like all the chess pieces are in the right position for an attack now. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like Bob Dylan said in that song, they say the darkest hour is right before the dawn. I mean, it's turned out that the darkest hour is generally just before an equally or darker power often more full of shit.

But but I mean, I think, you know, his point doesn't stand, but let's, I mean, let's pretend that it does stand there. There may be there may be better times around around the corner. Yeah, maybe history suggests otherwise, but we don't plan to send you to that. I think if the bugle has done one thing through its own history, ironically, it's been to ignore history and we will continue historically ignoring history for as long as history allows us to make history. for as long as history allows us to make history. John, it's been an absolute pleasure. History will be our judge, Andy. It's wearing a silly wig and a hammer.

I don't know if it's laugh or not. It's been a pleasure having you back on. Pleasure. Gentlemen, it's been an honor playing with you. Thanks for your contribution to the last 15 years.