The Bugle - The Bugle's 600th episode special!

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Another bad week for Rishi, Trump has guns(!) and the latest from the Indian and Mexican elections. It's an action packed Bugle and you can see some clips on Tim Tok and YouTube all week.This all happ...ens because you fund it, support us here: http://thebuglepodcast.com/Written and presented by:Andy ZaltzmanNish KumarAlice FraserNato GreenChris SkinnerAnd produced by Chris Skinner and Laura Turner. Thanks to the team at Leicester Square theatre and Go Faster Stripes. Plus Ed Datsun took great photos, including the episode art. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello Buglers, welcome to issue 4306 of The Bugle, also known as the 600th full episode of The Bugle podcast in the entire history of the known universe. Clearly one of the most momentous landmarks in the history of human communication. And we recorded this momentous landmark over two nights at London's Leicester Square Theatre where I was joined in person by Nato Green across the Atlantic for the first time for a live Bugle and Nish Kumar and also via the wonders of the internet by Alice Fraser at an ungodly hour of the morning in Australia.
Starting point is 00:00:47 First, before we start a bit of housekeeping, we are now on TikTok. I've been reliably informed by producer Chris. Yes, TikTok. We are gradually joining the 21st century. Clips from our live shows will be popping up across the week on, yes, the new Bugle TikTok channel. Now on with the show. This is the 600th full episode of the Bugle.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Let's, we did it for the first 294 I did with um, who was it, who's that guy? I remember like he's British guy, dark hair, hair glasses I can't remember John not Stuart the other one another first name Oliver John Oliver that's it it's a 600th full episode of the bugle to put that in context 600 it's quite a big number that is the average number of times per hour that a British TV interviewer says the word bullshit when interviewing a top politician. It is a hundred we now have done a hundred times more full bugle episodes than there are novels by Jane Austen. Take that Austen you quill
Starting point is 00:01:56 waggling loser. We've done sixty six point six times more full episodes of the bugle than symphonies written by Beethoven Do you hear that Ludi? No, because you are D E A. How's this word going to end? D D. I'm not going there. No, we're fine Five point zero eight times as many full episodes of the bugle as there are elements in the periodic table So suck that up oxygen I wouldn't breathe you if you were the last element on earth. And of course 0.857 times as many bugle episodes as Test Wicket's taken by Jimmy Anderson. But hopefully we'll be able to overtake him at some point.
Starting point is 00:02:37 To put it in context, 600 full bugles. If you listen to one bugle a year it would take... hang on let me just work it out... almost 610 years actually precisely 599 years so if you did it backwards you'd end up in the year 1425 and do you know what happened in 1425? No, not nothing three things three things according to on this day comm six things according to Wikipedia Only two of which were on a specific day and nothing until November Does that not make you? unbelievably fucking jealous For world where there was just no news. Imagine how f***ing happy everyone was,
Starting point is 00:03:25 apart from the old dose of plague and all that. So, funny we could have that, no news until November. Actually, that might not work in America. 600 Bugles, put that in context. If you listen to one a week, and whilst travelling back in time, with some weeks off and a break for about a year and a half in between. That would take you back to October 2007, which by amazing coincidence is when the bugle was launched. You didn't believe that?
Starting point is 00:03:54 If you listen to one bugle every mile on a journey, it would be quite a slow journey, but also you would end up 60% of the way to making a meaningful romantic gesture to a Scottish person. All the way from San Francisco for the first time in person at a live bugle show, this side of the Atlantic, please welcome the wonderful NATO Green! Welcome NATO! I'm so glad to be in such a hip and upcoming neighborhood like Leicester Square. I feel like I'm on the cutting edge of Britain's avant-garde scene. Well, so welcome. welcome to this you basically come to see what America could
Starting point is 00:04:49 have been if you hadn't been such a bunch of whinging pigs in the 1770s but I came to get advice from you about how to be a failed empire me personally yes and how have you found them sort found the politics over here since you've been obviously quite an exciting time to be here? You know I've been here for a few days, I've been observing your people. A couple things of note, you haven't gotten the memo about yet about white people and dreadlocks. If you don't know, white people don't do dreadlocks. And also, like, I've been, I know that there's an election coming up and I've been
Starting point is 00:05:37 following the news about it and it seems like there would be excitement and the energy that I feel in the streets is whatever is the opposite of poppable. I've seen no evidence that anyone that I've come across in any capacity is paying attention or aware of the elections except I did see one window sign for labor a labor MP so I was walking around London I saw one window sign and it seemed to have like a motion sensor that when you walked by it was just sort of sigh. So that's where we are. That is where we are. Was anyone here yesterday? Right. Joining us through the wonders of the internet, someone who so nearly joined us for the show yesterday but at 4 a.m. in Australia was asleep but we've
Starting point is 00:06:31 been reliably informed is fully awake. Please. Thank you for getting up so early. It was my pleasure. This is the thing, I was awake at that time yesterday, is it 3 or 4 Nish? You in 4 now? 5! 5D! It's Nish Kumar! Good to see you all. Hello Andy, hello Chris, hello Alice, hello Buglers. Welcome to the worst idea we've ever had. Doing a live show during a cricket match, hosted by a man distracted
Starting point is 00:07:38 by cricket and full of an audience themselves distracted by cricket. This is the blind leading the blind behalf of the blind have paid to be here. It's nice to see you all. We are recording this in Leicester Square and interesting, I just looked up the Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri, who identified that there were nine circles of hell, limbo, lust, gluttony, greed, anger, heresy, violence,
Starting point is 00:08:05 fraud and treachery. And he's actually from beyond the grave, added a 10th circle of hell, which is Leicester Square on a Saturday night. Truly the prolapsed anus of Times Square. If Dante had known about stag and hen-do, Zeta thought, wow, that's the worst circle of the lot. As I was making my way through Leicester Square to get here,
Starting point is 00:08:26 a hen-do, I don't know what the collective noun is, scream, a scream of a hen-do's walked past me. And one of them pointed directly in my face. Now listen, I've been confused for a lot of celebrities that aren't myself. Parks and Recreation actor Jason Manzoukis, which is because he and I bear a striking resemblance to each other.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Ramesh Ranganathan, because racism. And... But we have a new one to add to the pantheon, because a woman looked at me, went, oh, pointed directly at my face and said, Barbara Streisand. Oh. Oh.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Oh. Barbara Streisand, here I am. They don't call me Brown Yentl for nothing. Well, it's wonderful. I think that makes you more Jewish than me now, don't you? Andy, that is a low bar. That is a low bar. That is a low bar. That's the 8th June. On the 7th June in the year 421, it was the marriage of the year 421, the Emperor Theodosius II married Elia Eudosia in Constantinople and you can see what they saw in each other. I mean look, look at that. Those are two seriously hot hotties from history. I mean look at
Starting point is 00:09:53 well I take that as a huge compliment because the mother from the right looks a lot like me. Is that you Barbara Streisand? I mean, I really enjoy how they how how two-dimensional they are. They really know how to put the flat into flattering picture It is worse if one person claps and no one at all Most people want to unite an audience. I want to divide them against one another. I want them to each find one joke so entertaining that it turns them against one another. Well, I think there's certainly going to be some jokes that only one person finds entertaining. Hello! On this day, 1231 years ago, would you believe, in the year 793, 8th of June, the Vikings,
Starting point is 00:10:49 Europe's premier fancy dress pioneers and hipster vibe, world-weekend trendsetting pillageistas, did their first bit of major vicarie here in the British Isles. Of course, the inventors of the dealy-bopper, the Vikings. Well, I mean, develop evolved from that but in this day in 793 they viked the shit out of Lindisfarne they really stuck it to those monks big well done Vikings big man big men sticking it to a load of Bible babbling baldies pick on some with your own hairstyle you're in bricks they apologize yet no no shit my dad used to work with someone who insisted that the Vikings brought own hairstyle you f***ing pricks have they apologized yet? No. No? Shit. Awful people.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Awful. My dad used to work with someone who insisted that the Vikings brought reading to the rest of the world that that was their primary export. Well a lot of stag do's have got it very wrong. Did you see any of you like wandering through Leicester Square with a few copies of Dickens novels. Viking helmets on. Yeah, there were a few Wuthering Heights themed stag do's going around. Couple of Heathcliffs, couple of guys dressed as the Moor. Yes, that's... I ran out of things I knew about Wuthering Heights. Is that...?
Starting point is 00:11:59 Yes, I studied it for English A-level. As always, a section of the bugle is going where? I didn't hear you it's going where? I did hear it the first time on reflection. Could you not have evolved some catchphrases that didn't feel less aggressive when being yelled at us by 400 people? He may as well have gone where's it going? Up the f***ing shitter! Family show, Nish. Family show. Top story, democracy is raining well yes if democracy be the food of love we're all going to be single and vomiting within four weeks because it's election time
Starting point is 00:12:53 and this week we've had we've had what to debate the leaders we had star again Sunak on on Tuesday we had the seven prong debate last night. Did anyone watch it last night? How was it? Yeah? I mean it sort of does make you think with those all the D-Day anniversaries that we had this week that someone should have said I'm really sorry you died for this shit. But no wonder. I mean I think the certainly watching the seven prong debate last night about on a level with dripping vinegar in your eyeballs whilst listening to Rudy Giuliani sing You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman in terms of pure enjoyability.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Nish, you obviously are global democracy correspondent and aficionado. you have you enjoyed it so far well Let me just let's start with the debates because the debate debates are two of the worst pieces of television of all time And take that from me someone has produced several of the worst pieces of television of all time I did a show for quibi there was a network that was so shit It got cancelled in the middle of its own existence Not a program, the whole
Starting point is 00:14:05 network. And in many ways this Conservative campaign is the quibi of election campaigns. It's a bad idea being executed poorly and it's going to end in a British Indian man losing his job. We've got some exciting breaking news. The original Conservative slogan, this is just broken just as I was walking on stage, plan bold action secure future has been replaced by oh shit Oh kill me The campaign started very poorly Rishi soon I can announce the election in the rain without an umbrella then he posed in front of an exit sign
Starting point is 00:14:39 Which was pointing directly his fucking head He asked voters in Wales if they were looking forward to the European Football Championships, a tournament Wales did not qualify before. He started his campaign with a launch event at the Titanic site, when he was immediately asked by a journalist if he was the leader of a sinking ship. Basically, Rishi stood back in this campaign. I haven't seen an Asian man look this uncomfortable since the night I lost my virginity. It is absolutely extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:15:08 The first big policy announcement was national service for young people. Telling a generation of young people who have already given up two years of their lives to protect older people from the novel coronavirus that they now need to do national service is insulting enough, but that is not anywhere near the top of the list of this nation's problems. We are currently contracting diarrhea-based diseases from our tap water, and when we contact the water companies, they advise us to simply shit directly into the rivers to, quote, cut out the middle man. Then, on top of all of this, this week Rishi Sunak was heavily criticised for not being
Starting point is 00:15:45 at a part of the 80th anniversary D-Day ceremony on Thursday. He attended several of the events but then before the massive event involving all of the world leaders, he travelled back from France to the UK to record a television interview that is set to go out next week. The ITV journalist doing the interview confirmed that that was the only slot offered by 10 Downing Street. It is a huge PR gap and incredibly, Ritchie Sunak's election is going so badly that the only person who's had a worse D-Day is Adolf Hitler. I mean...
Starting point is 00:16:19 Say what you like. Say what you like about Hitler what you like about Hitler. He did kill Hitler. Alice, have you enjoyed the opening gambits of our glorious Festival of Democratic Freedom here? I mean, it is a wonderful thing to watch from a safe distance. I'm particularly enjoying Nigel Farage's attempt to claw his way back into relevancy.
Starting point is 00:16:56 That's been very exciting. Have you guys been following that, his Reform UK? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're all over it. Chris has got the tattoo, hasn't tattoo. He truly is the herpes of British politics. The movement as a new phenomenon occurring that he is the head of a movement of something mysterious happening and basically that there's far-right governments rising up all over the place and he just I feel like he's putting the ash into fascinating observation about the rise of anti-immigrant populism during an economic downturn.
Starting point is 00:17:29 You know, I just think it's... He's presenting this as a new thing, a completely unprecedented thing for a nation that may perhaps feel it's humiliated itself on the global stage to feel that it's drawn to the person who's telling them it's somebody else's fault. I just... I just can't see any outcomes that would be bad. As a result of the unrestrained indulgence in grievance politics by men who talk about how being a man involves being stoical while whinging like a toddler about how things aren't as good as the olden days. You know. Sorry, sorry, have you? The olden days. Have you bugged my house?
Starting point is 00:18:09 The olden days, when men were men and women were your mom. In nice, you've just, Rod, did you see any of the debates? Yeah, so I, I mean, as I mentioned, I arrived a few days ago trying to blend in. I shit in the river. So. mentioned I arrived a few days ago trying to blend in I shit in the river your country is in crisis Andy yeah I went I went to a bookstore and it was like an entire wall of books about the crisis of British politics it was you
Starting point is 00:18:41 know like like you know how the Commons is know, how the commons is f***ed and how to un-f*** it and the Tories are bastards and labor is f***ed and Liz Truss, how you like me now, Rishi? And like, it was just, you know, and, you know, Lib Dems are shit, scratch and sniff pamphlet. It was like just lots of books about the turmoil in British politics and I'm trying to understand what's happening and the the Tories are on track to lose according to the polls but there's good news for them that Labour has lost two points in the polls since the election started and so at this
Starting point is 00:19:25 rate the Tories will catch up and win the election about 37 years after the election if I'm understanding it right. Yes. I watched the debate and you know Keir Starmer looks to me me like someone started an illustration of a generic white guy and didn't finish. You know what I mean? And he seems to be like, you know, in the issues of the debates, like they're talking, you know, Sunak's saying that they're going to raise taxes and they're saying, no, we're not going to raise taxes and they're saying no, we're not gonna raise taxes
Starting point is 00:20:05 and Sudak saying we're gonna stop immigration in a dumb way and Sharma saying no, we're gonna stop immigration in a different dumb way. And it's all, like I don't understand the arguments. Like if somebody came to me and said, hey, we're gonna raise your taxes, but then you get to have functioning schools and healthcare system, I'd be like, oh, that sounds going to raise your taxes, but then you get to have functioning schools and healthcare system.
Starting point is 00:20:25 I'd be like, oh, that sounds like a good deal. You know what I mean? But that's like, I would vote for that. So they're saying that they would raise taxes by 2,000 pounds a year to a person, and people are against that. And so I looked it up, and the average British person spends 63,000 pounds on alcohol.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Per year. In a lifetime. Oh, rockin'. So over the course of a lifetime. So this is a question for you is would you be willing to stop drinking maybe two years before you die earlier than you would have to otherwise by medical necessity in order to have a functioning society is that a trade-off you would make no that's not so you're learning about how British politics works right so so essentially you get the government you deserve is what we just learned.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Good, sounds good. I also think, and I think we might talk about other elections Andy, but England, look, you're slipping. That there are elections around the world. In India there were elections and they were imprisoning opposition politicians. In Mexico there were elections and they were imprisoning opposition politicians. In Mexico, there were elections and they were killing political candidates. In South Africa, there were elections and they're threatening riots and mass death. Here you throw a milkshake. Get your head in the game.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I know you have capacity for violence. I've learned about the Bengal famine and the slave trade and top gear. You can do it. Farage has pledged to be, quote, a bloody nuisance, which is also what comes out if you put the average description of Farage by a non-Brexit supporter into a special translation software that makes your language suitable for use at family gatherings or funerals or broadcast before 6pm and for it not to be a crossword clue whose answer is 7,4 words. The debates... just back on the debate, obviously there have been a lot of tensions within the Conservative Party, but after Sunak's unexpectedly early call of the election.
Starting point is 00:22:55 But Sunak has kissed and made up, and he's kissed goodbye to his hopes of winning the election and he's made up some statistics to try to paper over the chasms. Now what I wanted, the big talking point from the debate was the £2,000 thing. Now £2,000 is not just what the average TV watcher gave to the nearest flat surface during that leaders debate in 70 minutes, just like pounding away in frustration. It's not what I can bench press using conservative party approved mathematics where I add together everything I might theoretically bench press over the next four years if I bench press something twice a day. It's not even the sum you would have to stake in order to win one pence on a bet that Rishi Sunak
Starting point is 00:23:36 is going to be sending out change of address cards within the next few weeks. But it's also the amount of money that Sunak claimed an incoming Labour government will definitely steal from the open mouths of every British child But it's also the amount of money that Sunak claimed an incoming Labour government will Definitely steal from the open mouths of every British child in the country. I think I've based it I mean, that's not exactly what he said, but he started it I think at this point it's open season. I'd like about the Conservative Party It's these are according to figures made up stroke calculated stroke interpreted from the entrails of a freshly slain virtual iguana by the conservative Party where do you that stands on the scale of political believability? Missed two thousand pounds. I mean, I think we're 20 minutes away from being on the side of a bus
Starting point is 00:24:17 Sometimes if it looks like horse shit and it smells like horse shit you've got a bunch of horse shit in your mouth And to be faced on a lot of empirical research for that yeah I have I'm a method comedian okay you don't see the backstage area it's disgusting the 2,000 pound figure is accurate and relevant if and there's a few ifs here and they are some of the biggest ifs since Rudyard Kipling started projecting the titles of his poems up onto the night skies above Gotham City. It is accurate and relevant if you don't mind that the costings it's based on were made up by the Conservatives and the policies they were costing were at least in part completely hypothetical Labour policies that hadn't been announced. Also it's fine
Starting point is 00:25:01 if you don't mind that they also then simply divided the eventual made-up total by a made-up speculative number of working households in the country and then assumed that you could just divide that overall sum by all the households because what Labour is famous for is really going for flat rate taxation across the entirety of society. So there are a few little glitches. Also, you've got to ignore the fact that if you cost out the Conservatives own policies the same figure apparently comes to £3,000. Now don't take that from me, take that from the right-ward leaning Spectator magazine. So this is the equivalent of the Catholic newspaper, The Guilt-Ridden Biscuit, saying that maybe, just maybe, Jesus was just a mid-grade magician and raconteur.
Starting point is 00:25:49 To be clear, the spectator is right leaning to the same extent that lying fully on the floor is leaning. Of course that's not the correct way to work out numbers I've acted in an election campaign. The correct way to do it is to take the shirt number of your favourite footballer, multiply it by the number of sandwiches you've eaten in the last decade and then chuck some noughts on the end and then you say the number 12 times within an hour and it becomes a fact. That is just how political stats work. The good news for anyone who's got kids doing GCSE maths is that this is now because of the legal precedent set by the government you no longer have to
Starting point is 00:26:21 show you're working or get your answer right you just have to write the answer over and over again and hope that the examiner thinks well there must be something in it it's because they keep saying that it was a figure that's been arrived at by independent people that work at the Treasury but based on information given to them by the Conservative Party which is a bit like saying we've talked to the police and they say that Labour's plan to release all pedos is going to be bad. Where have you heard about that plan? We made it up.
Starting point is 00:26:49 But the police have said it's going to be bad. And the problem is that now with Farage re-entering the race, which I can't believe is happening, I really thought we had, to use a very commonly used expression John Oliver I thought we had absolutely John Oliver the and now it turns out they have Corden Morgan to him straight back to us and he got hit by a milkshake which I think we can all agree regardless of your political affiliation, is extremely funny. It's extremely funny that Nigel Farage got hit by a milkshake. A lot of people have said, well, how is that different from an assault? Well, it's different in every
Starting point is 00:27:35 conceivable way. It's different from an assault in the same way that you don't get charged with the same crime if you draw a dick on a building, as you do if you burn the building to the ground. And some people have started saying, well, what if there was petrol in there? Then you would have some serious questions for the McDonald's that when you ordered a banana milkshake, gave you a cup of fuel. That is definitely gonna knock a point off the health rating. And some people have even said,
Starting point is 00:28:00 what if he was lactose intolerant? Of course he isn't. Milk's white. That's one of the... That's one of the only things this man is tolerant of. I've been waiting to say that joke for about four hours. I thought of it this afternoon when I was sat in my house in my pants. Not to paint too visceral a picture, but it's nice to get a glimpse behind the meditions cloth, which is what I call my underwear but
Starting point is 00:28:29 Nish I do think it is a relevant question if he is lactose intolerant first of all that means he's intolerant to almost everything and secondly that would mean he might shit his pants which would make this at least twice as funny at least twice as funny. So you do have to factor in the possibility, you know? Listen, Alice, I don't know how close are you following things here. If we want to get Faraj to shit his pants, we shouldn't throw a milkshake over him, we should throw some tap water from Brixton. Can I tell you my least favorite story of this whole package? Which is that Keir Starmer has said that he's willing to use nukes.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Yes. In a story he was asked by a journalist if he would be willing to use nukes, and he said yes, he would be willing to use nukes, but refused to say in what circumstances he would be willing to use nukes. First of all, of course he's willing to use nukes. You're a prospective leader and your country has nukes. What are you going to say? No, I would prefer to battle things out man to man with a knife in a small ring.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Like, what do you get? I mean, Russia is doing a little interpretive dance in the corner where sixth women in black leotards are doing the shape of a mushroom cloud with your bodies. Of course he's going to f***ing say that he's going to do nukes. But of course he's not going to detail the situations in which he might use the nukes because that's like, it's my least favourite thing where journalists ask some politician to launch into like a speculative fiction about how they might behave in a moderately to highly unlikely scenario. Like oh would you like to engage in some light self-insert Cold War fanfic for us sir? Like I just, I find it so enraging.
Starting point is 00:30:06 What do you expect a politician to tell you honestly what they might do in an imaginary scenario? They're politicians. They don't even tell you what they're actually doing in real life. It is insane to treat a question and answer like this as news. At very, very best, it is pre-news,
Starting point is 00:30:23 and you'll just have to report it again when it becomes news. American news now! So NATO you've been casting your eye over our democracy. How the f*** is it going for you lot? It's not good. It's not good, Andy. So we did, you probably are aware, Trump was convicted. About seven fans of the judicial system here. So, yeah, Trump was convicted of 34 felonies because America is a nation of laws and no one is above the law except Israel.
Starting point is 00:31:21 And cops, which is the same thing. So, and what was so weird about the Trump trial was that it was a jury trial. And so they had to, the jury selection process was incredible because they had to find, under the American Constitution, you're entitled to a jury of your peers. Constitution you're entitled to a jury of your peers but they also had to be people who didn't already have a strong opinion about Donald Trump that like to try to select a jury that are Trump's peers who don't, that's like, that's a Kobayashi Maru scenario.
Starting point is 00:32:06 That reference is for four people. So, but those four people enjoyed it a lot. So, it's like, it was just, and despite that, they found 12 people, like, I was called for a jury once. As if you're regular listeners, you'll know I'm a trade unionist. And the trial that I was called for was a trial where someone had been beaten up
Starting point is 00:32:34 for crossing a picket line. And I got in the jury box, and so they asked you questions. They had to screen you, right? And so they were like, do you think you, how many people do you have experiences with unions? You have to raise your hand.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Unions, picket lines, strikes, racial disputes. And then they asked me, do you think that you could be impartial about this situation? And I said, yes, but I think my idea of impartial might be different from yours. And they said, what do you mean by that? And I said, if you're a grown ass man and you cross the picket line, what the f**k
Starting point is 00:33:07 do you think is gonna happen? So, that's the, so, and actually, just one other quick tangent about, so in my life as a trade union as recently, just a week ago, I was having a conversation with a high ranking government official in the city of San Francisco who, just a week ago, I was having a conversation with a high ranking government official in the city of San Francisco who was responsible for the budget. And I think this conversation is really
Starting point is 00:33:30 illustrative of the problems facing both of our democracies. Is he said to me, NATO, how do you think we could make our politics less toxic? And I said, well, here's a thought. What if you fixed literally anything? And he said no can do. So it's completely true story. So okay, so Trump's peers who don't already have a formed opinion of him put on the trial and those people deliberated for four hours and returned 34 guilty verdicts in four hours.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Now the average human spends about 10 minutes shitting or if you're a dad about 10 minutes shitting. Or if you're a dad, about 42 minutes shitting. So that is to say that they had 12 people who didn't have a pre-formed opinion about Donald Trump, who presented the evidence and then had enough time for all of them to have a shit and a snack and then and then they spent about four minutes being like yeah this is there's no question he's guilty so and then they now when the when the news broke it was middle of the afternoon when I got the alert went off on my phone and the entire country came at the same time. LAUGHTER Family show! So Donald Trump still has a gun.
Starting point is 00:35:18 That in of itself should cause a chill of fear to run down the entire spine of America. Why has he got... Who gave him a gun? Also, that gun is definitely going to be used on him by his son. Let's not beat around the bush here. Let's not beat around the bush here. That story's only ending one way. We need to talk about Baron. What? Ooh, that kid's weird as f***. Don't kill us folks.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Just when I thought I said something too offensive for a bugle audience, they reminded me that they are much more sick and twisted individuals than I will ever be. So you know, I don't want to advocate murder. I'm a bit old-fashioned like that. I don't want Trump to be killed. I want him to be abducted by aliens and then give an eternal life to be dealt with by aliens, how they traditionally deal with a lot of probs, a lot of probs. Alice, I know you carry several handguns with you at all times, you're renowned for your
Starting point is 00:36:38 militaristic attitude to life. I mean, you must feel a lot of sympathy with with Trump at this difficult time for him well I think you know obviously the news media is drawn to the dramatic irony of him losing his gun license given his famous threat slash boast that he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone in the head without losing a single vote and that sort of this losing his gun license has taken that threat completely off the table because you know owning the gun would be illegal. Yeah, but he's an absolute stickler for the law as we found out.
Starting point is 00:37:23 He's an absolute stickler for the law as we found him out there. Now obviously, although Britain invented democracy, as is well known, and is the greatest democracy in the world, it does also occasionally crop up in other countries. Thanks largely to us! Yes. Let's not forget the British Empire, which did nothing other than spread trains and democracy in exchange for a couple of jewels.
Starting point is 00:37:55 You forgot the big one. Yes, cricket. Thank you. Yeah, you forgot the big thing. Which justified everything. Which justified everything. That's how you open shows in Mumbai, isn't it? Yes, Britain entered the world, vote first. On the one hand, partition, on the other hand, crickets.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Sorry, Alice. I said Britain entered the rest of the world offering vote first. But that was their, like, they'd come in democracy in democracy forward, keep their guns behind their backs until later. So let's start Nish in India and Narendra Modi has won small. He was hoping to win big but he actually won quite a lot smaller than was expected. He is, I think it's fair to say, a politician. He doesn't merely split opinion. He lathers opinion in whipped cream and pops a glassy cherry on top. To say Modi splits opinion is like saying Piers Morgan enjoys attention. And he only got 36.5% of the vote, 236 million votes, which you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know
Starting point is 00:39:05 is 1 million for every run made by Sunil Gavaskar in his highest test match score. You've got to give them what they want, Nish, watch and learn. So 63.5% of those who voted voted against him and in the nation of 1.3 billion people plus, that's not a ringing endorsement for Modi. Yeah that's right. He started the campaign aiming for a 400 seat supermajority in the 543 seat parliament. They've won only 240 seats. The opposition, which is the India Alliance spearheaded by the Congress party, got 234 seats, despite being outspent, and that being the least of their problems, given that Modi has what I would call a robust debating tactic, by which I mean jail.
Starting point is 00:39:54 He tends to, and not just jail, monopoly jail, as in go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 rupees. Yeah, it was a big old election, but the result has been something of a shock in India. In fact, it was such a shock that one of the pollsters burst into tears on live television. His poll was so wrong that he started crying. Was he crying because he'd made an accurate prediction or was he crying because he knew that he was having to give bad news to Narendra Modi and he was going to the Hindu Gulag? The Hindu lag. For second-generation Indians
Starting point is 00:40:36 like me I would describe myself as Modi skeptic. I would describe my opinions on Narendra Modi were I to give them as there goes the visa. I think he's an awful, awful, awful man. He's victimized a lot of minorities in India but he's also struggled on the campaign trail because he told people that there was a economic progress and expansive welfare programs. However, wealth inequality is at a six decade high with the top 1% owning 40% of the wealth. So all of his promises, all he had left on the campaign was violent division, which India has not bought, which is very positive.
Starting point is 00:41:13 And sometimes people like me who are Modi skeptic are described by BJP fans as Hihinos, right? That's an acronym meaning Hindu in name only. And I would describe them as cultists understanding nothing theological. What a pack of f***ing cultists understanding nothing theological. Yeah that's right Chris I found a way around you bleeping the word c***. That's why you are a comedian of unbelievable natural talent.
Starting point is 00:41:57 I must stop reading the telegram. You can't get involved in acronym wars with Zoltzman. It's like challenging Federer to tennis. It's a fool's errand. It's obviously hard, it's not really for us particularly white Brits to judge how our former imperial partners, is that the term we're using now? are getting on, but the economic choices India is making in this current era, it's like when you meet a naked man and you give him a thousand pounds to go away and smarten himself up, and he goes away and he spends twenty pounds on quite a nice tie and £980 on a haircut and he comes back looking quite pleased with himself and sure it's a very nice tie, you can wear it pretty much any social occasion, you can wear it to work
Starting point is 00:42:54 you can wear it to job interviews, you can probably wear it family occasions fine, good tie, money well spent and it is unquestionably the most sensational haircut you have ever seen, but those are some conversationally distracting testicles so that's how I would explain the Indian economy Alice did you vote in the Indian elections? first of all I like the idea that there are any testicles that wouldn't be conversationally distraught.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Your premise of the joke implies some bland, inoffensive testicles. You rang? Mexico election news now. Let's have a little think. Mexico has elected Claudia Scheinbaum, who is their first female president. She is a climate scientist, which is a bit of a weird way to do politics, I think, to get someone with a working knowledge of science in a position where they might make decisions
Starting point is 00:44:02 based on science. That is, I would say that is the rare combination of both passe and woke. But you know, can't criticise another country's democracy. So she's, also she's Jewish as well, which I know you are very excited by Nish. Massive news. Yeah. This is absolutely massive news. It's also very exciting because she is Jewish, but when she took office, she thanked Jesus.
Starting point is 00:44:29 And a lot of people on the internet were very angry about that until it transpired that Jesus is the name of her husband. This is from a news report about it. One of the journalists has collated some of the comments on Twitter and said this. One self-described Zionist on the website formerly known as Twitter in response to Steinbaum's victory posted the following. I have never seen a less Jewish Jew than this. And I say from the Andy Z's Ultimate perspective... Challenge extended! You think it's not Jewish to have a husband called Jesus?
Starting point is 00:45:11 Wait until you hear about this f***ing wedding ham! Yes. Er, not the most, not the most kosher cake, I think it's fair to say. most not the most kosher cake I think it's fair to say. Who's out of the two of us? Am I a worse Hindu or are you a worse Jew? I'm not sure that's the right question to be asking. Both of us are bad Muslims. I think we can both agree on that. Well, you know. Well, I mean, Muslims and Christians to me are just lapsed Jews. We are all just bound together in the dance of history. Excitingly, women now hold half the seats in Mexico's Congress and almost half the jobs in cabinet. It's after a scheme to try and get more women involved in politics.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Claudia Scheinbaum is the first woman elected to lead a North American country. Dolly Parton, of course, narrowly missed out in the 1980 US presidential election her signature nine to five policies proving her undoing sadly she did of course recommend reducing working hours to compulsory maximum of eight hours per day they were savaged by economists and conservative media she wanted to reduce the Supreme Court from nine judges to five but that was too sensible for America. And she wanted to cut baseball from a nine-a-side game to a five-a-side game, and people thought it would just become too easy to score.
Starting point is 00:46:51 So she didn't get it. But, I mean, Alice, this is more evidence, isn't it? That this is turning into quite a tricky millennium for the patriarchy. We just can't catch a break at the moment. And, you know, why is it that women are getting all the opportunities in politics? And, you know, people like me... WHEN WILL MY VOICE BE HEARD?! Well, Andy...
Starting point is 00:47:24 You know... Well Andy, I mean I think this is an incredible achievement for women as a whole but I'm always wary of suggesting that the victory of one woman is going to cascade down into the victory for all women because so far what seems to have happened when women get up into politics is they try to be the best man they can be. And they just, they come in and they say, you know what I can bring to this table? Maximum ****iness. Maybe there's a reason we weren't in power all these years, women say, being horrible to other women.
Starting point is 00:48:00 You know, so I feel like perhaps, unless she's going to sort of reconstitute the entire system of patriarchy, I'm just going to congratulate her on a personal level and not feel like the shine has reflected down on me, a woman who apparently can't even do breastfeeding with technically good form. Don't get me wrong, I'm an incredible mother, I just have bad athletic technique. Thank you for listening, that was recorded at the Leicester Square Theatre on Friday and Saturday the 7th and 8th of June. There is another live bugle show, a UK election special on the 23rd of June at the Bloomsbury Theatre in London. Tickets available via
Starting point is 00:48:45 the internet or by asking nicely to a friendly-looking passerby who, if they have tickets on them, may exchange them for something, money perhaps or just kindness, who knows. Anyway, also on sale is my stand-up tour, The Zoltgeist, which begins on the 1st of November, dates across the UK, plus a show in Dublin. Details at andyzoltzman.co.uk. Yes, I have updated my website, also if you look elsewhere on the internet. Anyway, do come along to all of those shows. We will be back with a regular bugle at the start of next week, charting democracy's struggles with itself and humanity. Until then, goodbye. Did you know that I have a new series of my podcast Richie Firth Travel Hacker out now? It's the show where Richie Firth and I talk about how to make travel better in our very special way.
Starting point is 00:49:51 In this series we discuss Limebikes, Teslas, the London Overground and a whole bunch of other random stuff that possibly involves wheels or tracks or engines of some variety. God what a hot sell this is. I mean you you must be so excited. Listen now

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