The Bugle - The Countdown Bugle

Episode Date: November 17, 2024

Trump has recruited a perfectly normal team to take America forwards. Also, Cop29 is a gift from God, and Andy has a run down on God's next pick for chief religious person.Become a paid subscriber - O...MG we need you! There are great perks and feel good factor. Why not check out 15 years of top stories: https://www.thebuglepodcast.com/topstories.Featuring:Andy ZaltzmanJosh GondelmanTiff StevensonProduced by Chris Skinner and Laura Turner. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ah ah ah ah ah ah! The Bugle The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello Buglers, and welcome to issue 4-3-2-1 of The Bugle, the audio newspaper for a visual world that has been holding up a mirror to the world since 2007. Sorry, not a mirror, a potato. It's been holding up a potato to the world and seeing whatever you want to see in the skin of a potato. I'm Andy Zoltzman. It is the 15th of November, 2024.
Starting point is 00:00:36 And I am joined, I'm delighted to say, I guess, from all possible sides of the Atlantic, East and West, I'm not counting North or South. You can only have two sides of the Atlantic, East and West, I'm not counting North or South. You only have two sides of an ocean. Joining me us from New York, it's Josh Gondelman. Hello. Hello, Josh. Welcome. Welcome to the bugle. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be on the West side of something in America here.
Starting point is 00:00:57 They're very biased and they say I'm on the East Coast, but here I'm on the West Shore, I guess. East Coast, West Shore. We will talk about how you've been coping in the last 10 days shortly. Also joining us, Tiffany Stephenson. Hello, Tiffany. How are you? Hi. Hi. I'd like to say, and I don't know if you'll be able to see this if you watch it online, but I wrote my name in as, because this morning I hosted an award ceremony, SQP awards, just in case you're wondering, for veterinary pharmaceuticals, because, um, it's, you know, I'm, I'm a top,
Starting point is 00:01:35 I'm a top award host and it was actually, they were so lovely. Um, and that was, so I've come in my very suited look and I'm going to the opera later. So I was like, that's a busy day. I'm going to call myself business Tiffany and then I misspelled it. So it just says business Tiffany, which sounds very New York. Do we agree Josh? Oh yeah. Off to do some business.
Starting point is 00:01:58 I'm closing deals over here. Business time. As I said, this is issue four, three, two, one. Uh, I said, this is issue 4321. I mean, this is the countdown bugle. Those numbers have been at the end of so many classic countdowns. Your hide and seek, your space rockets, your demolitions of power stations, you name it. What a way to end a countdown. Also, as I'm sure you don't need me to tell you, it's an LL Cool J song from 1997 in which
Starting point is 00:02:27 Mr J, whose mother was famously a very aggressive boxing coach of course, advocates a soccer team lining up with four at the back, three deep line midfielders, two attackers playing off a central target man up front. He explores all the tactical pros and cons LL Cool J midfield solidity on the plus side, but perhaps at the cost of attacking fluidity leaving the team overly dependent on the attacking three fashioning something out of nothing. And the two fullbacks to provide attacking with is to get all that into one one single
Starting point is 00:02:55 song really is one of his finest achievements. Also, 4321 one of the all time classic motorcycle pyramid formations. I'd say so if you're starting out as a 10, as a 10 person motorcycle pyramid team, I don't think you can go far wrong with four, three, two, one. And Andy, I didn't know that LL cool. J the J was short for Jordan Henderson. It's a, it's very much, um, it's short for what it stands for.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Genuinely. It's isn't it ladies love cool James. It is ladies. Yes Ladies Love Cool James. Yep. I am, my brain is itchy because I know that song so well. And I'm like, it's not about a football for me. I don't know. I like tried to never be pedantic, but I'm like, errrrr.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Yes, so this is the second bugle we've done since the election. The first bugle since I officially became champion of Taskmaster. Congratulations! I've been seed off the competition in Series 18 and I'm going to cling to that title for, I'm going to say, I want it to be 20 years. I want to be a number one for, I mean, it's quite hard to get on because they always use different people. It's going to be really hard to retain it. That's the thing with the past master. But you know, got to find a way, find a way. I'm good with stats. I can just hack into the system, I reckon. First podcast since the first podcast
Starting point is 00:04:25 Which was presumably just you and NATO screaming into a pillow for an hour It was I don't know if it was screaming into a pillow or screaming into a void I mean, it's quite you know, it felt like both I think at different at different times I like to scream into a pillow throw the pillow into the void That's kind of two voids, one stone. Two voids. Anyway, we are recording on the 15th of November. And to highlight this kind of growing sense
Starting point is 00:04:57 that maybe humanity is not advancing. On this day in 1965, Craig Breedlove set a land speed record and became the first person to drive a car at over 600 miles an hour, 600.601 miles an hour, specifically in the spirit of America. And yet, when I drove my kids to school today, nowhere near and you know yet we are we are what six almost 60 years 59 years on from breed love hitting the 600 mile an hour barrier and I was like crawling along it maybe like 10 12 miles an hour max I mean you know what does that say about about human progress I don't know well
Starting point is 00:05:40 you're still eight miles under the speed limit, Andy, so it's 20 everywhere now. It is, but that is very theoretical 20, given the traffic. But think about the ticket you avoided by not driving 600 miles an hour through a school zone. I guess that is, you know, I mean, every cloud, every cloud. But just think, you know, if we were going 600 miles an hour in 1965, having been going, I don't know what maximum 10 miles an hour until until the late 19th century. Unless you had a particularly exciting horse. Or we're falling out of a very tall building.
Starting point is 00:06:21 We should be, you know, we should be, I don't know, 30,000 miles an hour by now, but we've gone backwards. Thinking about 20s plenty. And it sounds like something a creepy old man would say. I'll tell you what, I'm I'm still feeling bad. I didn't say two voids, one scream. Um, on the 16th of November 1871 the National Rifle Association of America received its charter from New York State. That's going up, that's going well.
Starting point is 00:06:52 That is really panning out well for America, 153 years on. And exactly 60 years ago tomorrow the Arecibo message was sent. It was an interstellar radio message containing information about humanity and Earth. It was sent towards the global cluster Messier 13 on the 16th of November 1974. And I just think, well now 50 years on, we need to recall that message and update them with all the shit that's happened since, because they know, slightly, I don't know, under the impression that, you know, as a species, as a planet, we were making progress at the time. 1974. I don't know, probably felt like a bit of a time of optimism relative to now, but we really need to update them on that before they turn up here and are very disappointed by what they find. I think because they did such a stellar job updating the song We Didn't Start the Fire, originally by Billy Joel, we should have Fallout Boy record the new RNC message.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Top story this week. Donald Trump has still won the 2024 presidential election. He's not disputed the result. He's cooperating in a peaceful transfer of power. He's not encouraging violent insurrection against his own country in the last few weeks of a presidency. So I guess that is progress, Josh. But he's learned from his mistakes and he's respecting democracy more than he did four years ago. I think that's a beautiful way to put it.
Starting point is 00:08:30 And I will say he's only called for a coup while he was still president. He's never tried to get in. He's just tried to stay in. So we'll see how it goes four years from now, but yeah, so far he hasn't. We'll see how it goes four years from now, but yeah, so far he hasn't, he hasn't, uh, called for the public to carry out an insurrection against his own government. In the words of Bart Simpson, don't have a coup. It is really bad. We're in the aftermath of the election. And by that, I mean, they're planning to abolish the Department of Education so we might literally be living after math exists in the United States. Post-math climate. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:09:12 we're in the post-math, you're right, of Trump's election. I mean, would that mean that all schools, they've just like back, just get rid of education completely and take us back to, you know, sort of glorious Halcyon days, you know, and, yeah, so we in Britain, we know, of course, that, you know, children make a extremely enthusiastic workforce. That's what we built our empire on, essentially. So, I mean, maybe this is this is the future for America. Just get rid of the Department of Education, close all the schools and get the kids get the kids working.
Starting point is 00:09:40 I mean, we're going to be deregulating. Well, there will probably be schools, but maybe we'll turn them into factories and kids will be allowed to smoke cigarettes with them. I think that's the direction we're headed. It feels like your education. It feels really bad. And I didn't expect the bad news to have started already. Right. Like the bad news. First bad news, he's going to be president again. I don't like that. But then I thought we'd have like a couple of months off before new bad news. And he's already started naming cabinet member appointees, right? He started staffing his government. And so there's just bad news all the time.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And he's not even president yet, which is like if you walked into a restaurant and then someone else ordered for you and then before the appetizers arrived, you started puking. How could it happen so quickly? Well, after the 2016 election, he had named a single cabinet official, right? Like for a week. Yeah. So now... Well, I think in 2016, he was kind of like, fucking what? Who's president?
Starting point is 00:10:45 And now he's like, ah, president, as I should always have been and shall always be. The cabinet pick so far, it's like a real who's who of guys who can credibly say, I'll see you in hell and just sounding like they're actually making plans to meet up later. Like kind of a cheerful like this is where we're going to be. That's where the after party is. And in particular, I mean, obviously Elon Musk has got a lot of the headlines. He's going to be one of the heads of the new department of government efficiency, which I think is actually going to be officially renamed as just slash and burn
Starting point is 00:11:22 Saksville, USA. Sorry. Can we call the, the naming cabinet officials officials it's a proper title, which is the 2024 ho-draft. If we're doing rap songs, we have to update it from Warren G's 94 ho-draft. It's been 30 years. It's time. Ladies and gentlemen, pimps, players, and hustlers, welcome to the 2024 Ho-Draft. I feel like that is kind of Trump's.
Starting point is 00:11:50 That's his me you. Yeah, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, co-heading the Department of Government Efficiency, and I think that's actually that one I get, because Elon Musk is an efficient guy. Like his company makes electric cars that seem to burst into flames as quickly and flamboyantly as if they were full of gasoline. So you've got to hand it to him there. He's an efficient man.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah, he's technically eradicated the need for a driver by having the car crash itself. He's very efficient. They're probably the two picks, I think probably Musk and maybe it was the defense minister or the defense... Defense secretary, Pete Hegsworth. Yeah, were the two picks that I actually went, oh those are kind of playing, the smart ones playing to his base, I guess, because then they've never worked in government before. So I think for people
Starting point is 00:12:49 who voted for Trump, they were like, they don't seem like part of the establishment part of the elite they've come in. Yeah, with absolutely no relevant experience, which is really key in modern politics. I mean, Pete Hegseth, who is a Fox News co-host, because nothing prepares you for the life and death decisions you need to make as defense secretary, quite like gobbling off into an echo chamber with no repercussions. I mean, there is no better work experience
Starting point is 00:13:18 for running an apartment with an $1 trillion budget and three million staff than dispensing superficial gibree from a brightly lit studio. I can't think of a more appropriate appointment. Can you? This is what I'm kind of optimistic about, right? Because Trump named Pete Hegseth nominated him for a Secretary of Defense. And he has previously said in his capacity as Fox News analyst, he used to, you know, previously served in the army, but in his capacity as Fox News, uh, bloviator, he's previously said he doesn't think
Starting point is 00:13:45 women have any place in combat. And I'm going to be optimistic and say that makes him 50% of the way to being a total pacifist. We just need to convince him that men also don't have a place in combat. And maybe we'll get this peaceful regime that people keep hallucinating is going to happen. maybe we'll get this peaceful regime that people keep hallucinating is going to happen. His glass is half anti-war. He's also a defender of Guantanamo, isn't he? And as we know from Dick Cheney, the US does not torture, therefore anything the US does cannot be deemed as torture, including whatever that rap was that Kid Rock performed at the Republican rally. in whatever that rap was that Kid Rock performed at the Republican rally. He also said, and I'm going to give him a little bit of credit here and assume that he was joking, but he said, germs are not a real thing. I can't see them, therefore
Starting point is 00:14:36 they're not real. And this was when he admitted on a TV show that he said he clearly hadn't washed his hands in 10 years. And so he said, and let's just, I mean, he's a Princeton and Harvard educated combat veteran. Let's hope that he was joking because if he thinks that things you can't see are not real, from a military strategy point of view, that's concerning for me. I mean, that is, that's basically failing to embrace almost every development in military technology of at least the last 500 years plus possibly of thousands, just assuming if you can't see it, that it's yeah, I think that leaves America vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Is he religious? Get ready to hear about God. Get ready for some headlines about hundreds of soldiers losing their lives in the ill-fated peekaboo offensive. There's also Doug Collins in the mix, which is Veteran Affairs, which I mistook as Veterinary Affairs. And I thought, let's be honest, if any government needs a Department of Veterinary Affairs with
Starting point is 00:15:43 all the dead animals strewn across this campaign, I think a dead dog, a cat, some chickens, a bear, a whale. Oh, bring in RFK Jr. feels pretty qualified. Dead animals seem to turn up wherever he is. Robert F. Kennedy, the F. Darsdown for that, is renowned for being skeptical of not just vaccines, but essentially skeptical of medical science and all facts. The executive director of the American Public Health Association, George Benjamin, said that, yeah, he points out that Kennedy has no health background. I mean, again, I don't think that's a problem. It's one of those things you've either got or you haven't. You cannot learn medical science. It's either in you or it's not in you.
Starting point is 00:16:30 It's like Riz. And George Benjamin added, he's not competent by training, management skills, temperament or trust to have this job. But apart from those minor quibbles, then it just comes down to the pure traditional prejudice that someone with no grounding in healthcare is assumed to know less about healthcare than someone who is trained and experienced in it. And it's that kind of hidebound, traditionalist expertise worshiping thinking
Starting point is 00:16:56 that has held America back for too long. Classic deep state mentality. I did go the other way on this because I don't know if you know this. But RFK Junior, actually his name, those initials actually stand for are you kidding me? He would be he's been adapting. Kennedy has been adapting Trump's MAGA slogan, right? Make America great again.
Starting point is 00:17:21 He's been saying Maha make America healthy again. But a more apt acronym would be Mamma Mia for make America measles and influenza again. I know he wants to remove fluoride from the water and I think that's just so the Americans see you. People like you, Josh, can get a chance at British teeth for a change because I know you're obsessed with our teeth. So I think that's what that's about. I like some of the intentions that he's announced, like, you know, lowering the cost of medicine for Americans and reducing the power of big pharma.
Starting point is 00:17:54 You know, these are ideas that I think are possibly worth discussing. But there was also looking into the FDA and additives in food, which is important. But I think that Fox News ripped the Obama administration apart when they tried to do that a decade ago. They were like, let's decide our own salt, like Republicans. It was just too salty for you. It's all too salty. Other appointments, Tulsi Gabbard, the Putin and Bashar al-Assad fan lined up as director of national intelligence. What could possibly go wrong with that? I mean, I do think that basically there just should be a button that all news broadcasts
Starting point is 00:18:34 can just press that just says what could possibly go wrong with that after any announcement of a Trump appointment. Also John Wilkes Booth has been appointed head of presidential security and Kermit the Frog, secretary of state for French cookery. So yeah, exciting moment. And Matt Gaetz as attorney general. This is good. This is another good one.
Starting point is 00:18:56 You know what? I've been to I've been on short selling my optimism on this. I've been underselling it because I love this. This is an efficiency measure. This is cost counting because as an attorney,, Gates will be able to represent himself in court when the next round of sex crimes charges are brought against him by him as attorney general. So this is really, we're closing the loop on this. I love that move. He resigned from the House of Representatives in a clever move because he was being investigated by the House Ethics Committee into these allegations of sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and misuse of campaign
Starting point is 00:19:30 funds. But the Ethics Committee can only investigate members of the House of Representatives, so by making him no longer a member, he becomes entirely innocent, which is the kind of lateral thinking that you need from your top lawyers. This is incredible because Trump's, the Supreme Court has ruled that Trump as president is immune from prosecution and now Matt Gaetz getting out of the house is immune to prosecution. So basically, Republican politicians are immune from prosecution is what it seems like. That's going to be Trump's first act, isn't it? He's going to do what I do all the way through Christmas dinner and pardon myself. Yeah. He'll be pardoning himself.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I beg your pardon. Excuse me, George, for being so rude. It was not me. It was my racketeering, influencing payment of hush money and stealing of classified documents food. I also want to give a shout out to Mike Huckabee. He's an evangelical Christian. Mike Huckabee has been nominated as the ambassador to Israel
Starting point is 00:20:28 because Donald Trump said, I see your genocide and I raise you the fucking apocalypse. Oh, Tom Homan. I mean, it's the whole draft and we didn't mention the former director of ICE. So he's in on he's the border czar, is he? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. Scary. Um, and then Andy, I get a few more, um, you had a list of some of the kind of smaller departments, uh, Elmer's glue is set to privatize the department of
Starting point is 00:20:56 horse welfare and wellbeing. Uh, knives have been left in charge of the department of fingertips and piss has been made secretary of toilet seats. Just on that on Matt Gates, the New York Times wrote this about him. Gates is not by any normal standards, even a tiny bit qualified to be a Turkey general. Is that, I'm confused, is he the one that looks like grown up Eddie Monster? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he is. Big, high forehead,
Starting point is 00:21:26 cathedral forehead, lots of filler, spooky jaw. Haunted. Haunted jaw. You appear to have a haunted jaw, sir. So the New York Times continued, he practiced law only for about two years before then running for office, in which he handled small-time civil matters, including suing an old woman for money she owed to Gates's father's care company. That's all the experience you need for being Attorney General. He was described by a conservative writer, so from the same end of the political spectrum, Ben Dominic, as, and I quote, this is a series of quotes, let me be clear, Matt Gaetz is a sex trafficking, drug addicted piece of shit, the man has less principles, should
Starting point is 00:22:16 be fewer, but we'll let him off, than your average fentanyl addicted hobo, he is a walking genital, warts included as a bonus. The man is absolutely vile. There are pools of vomit with more to offer the earth than this STD riddled testament to the failure of fallen masculinity. And he's a sex trafficking drug handled lying philandering piece of shit. That's from his own side is saying that. That sounds like it's quoted directly from the thick of it, right? This is how they all talked about Trump too.
Starting point is 00:22:46 It's important to remember until they had their enemies to lovers rom-com arc. And now they're all like, oh yeah, he's a walking genital. And I don't think we should shame people for having warts on their genitals anymore. That's just more genital to love. Trump has today launched a lot of lawsuits against media companies and publishers who've not been very nice to him over the years. The type of media companies and the news websites that have criticized him for things like the things he's said and done, which I think is harsh and clearly qualifies them as enemies within or whatever you want to call them if you want to
Starting point is 00:23:30 sound like you're workshopping quite a sinister scene in a wartime drama. And Jack Smith, the special counsel who's been leading the federal criminal cases against Trump, he is expected to leave the Justice Department before Trump comes into office, basically, I guess to avoid being sacked as soon as he does. So he'll leave without either of the criminal prosecutions going to trial over an aged improper hoarding of classified documents and the attempt to interfere in the 2020 election outcome. I guess this is an important lesson to American children, Josh, that no one in America is above the law, apart from the people who can basically switch the law off
Starting point is 00:24:12 when it suits them. And I don't know, can you be above something if you just cancel it completely? I don't know. We've invented the concept of beneath the law. And I think that we don't give Trump enough credit for doing so much crime that he's just essentially tunneled through the earth's core and come out the other side clean. He's shushing himself in reverse.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Stayed out of prison. You call it the injustice department. Am I right, guys? Am I right? Smith would obviously have been fired by Trump. He pulled like a preemptive. You can't fire me. I quit. So his hands are tied, which actually could be probably a literal thing that Donald Trump does to him hog time and throw him out of the street.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Now that the Supreme Court has made crime legal, if enough Americans have decided they like your stance on tariffs because they don't understand what tariffs are. have decided they like your stance on tariffs because they don't understand what tariffs are. The whole issue of presidential immunity, which Trump, the convicted felon, serial bankrupt, pro-celebrity misogynist and smug facial look monthlies, undisputed man of the millennium, basically just waggling presidential immunity right in the judicial system's quivering face. Is this another example of the founding daddies or fathers, depending on how familiar you are with them,
Starting point is 00:25:27 when they hacked out their constitution back in those stroppy days in the late 18th century, they just failed to adequately take into account the possibility that America would one day be so democratically diseased that it would elect a president who needed immunity from prosecution 258366. I mean, yes, they all knew like 15 guys they were like ah we trust James.
Starting point is 00:25:54 They couldn't imagine a country so big that Donald Trump would exist and that they wouldn't be friends with him. So there we go well that's uh what 10 days 10 days on the plus side. Every minute that passes is a minute closer to Trump no longer being president on the minus side. There's still a lot of minutes to go. I mean, it's dropped below the 2.2 million minutes mark now, but that's still quite a lot on also on the minus side. I probably kicked the Constitution in the natchez until it lets them have a third term. So we might be looking near a or four million minutes. Or the world could end. Well, there we go. Every every cloud has a slightly darker cloud.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Now, yeah, no one's ever really tried to see the silver lining on a mushroom cloud before, but I think probably ironically, the type of cloud that is most likely to have some sort of- Yes, we had heavy metals inside there. I'm just imagining Charlie Brown plotting along with a mushroom cloud above his head saying, good grief. That should be the slogan for this time period. Yes. Good grief.
Starting point is 00:27:03 I'm picturing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. trying to heal himself of disease by giving his internal organs a silver lining, a lining of colloidal silver. On the subject of the end of the world, environment news now and World Cup 29, the latest annual conference to discuss key environmental policies that will then be discussed at another conference in 12 months time before if all goes well being discussed in 24 months time at a conference has begun in Baku in oil rich. Well, why those words there Azerbaijan with the world's
Starting point is 00:27:42 thermometers in record breaking form, again this year, really on a roll this millennium, the thermometers, the race to find long-term solutions to climate changes, hotting up, which isn't helping, and the need to find ways of seeming to do things that will help whilst not actually doing very much at all, that will have a genuine impact. That need is greater than ever before,, COP being hosted in Azerbaijan, controversial host as its economy is so dependent on making sure those fossils did not die in vain. And has announced plans to expand gas production
Starting point is 00:28:12 by 30% over the next 10 years, which isn't quite the same as leading the way on environmentally beneficial solutions to global energy demands. But, you know, that's just nitpicking. The president of Azerbaijan, Ilhan Aliyev did not give the conference the greener than green image it might have been looking for by at the start of the conference describing oil and gas as a gift of God. Now God moves in mysterious ways. We know that that's one of his trademarks, that's what makes him so hard to pin down for
Starting point is 00:28:42 interviews, always wriggling off the hook just when you think you've got him. But that would seem to be an odd gift, would it not? Given that he'd already gifted us solar power, wind power and tidal power to then gift us something that takes millions of years to form and then needs really weird equipment to dig it out from under the ground. That seems unnecessary. And also implies that he is grateful to the Lord for killing all those dinosaurs. I like how he said it. Basically, the president said he criticized Western fake news
Starting point is 00:29:13 and said nation should not be blamed for having big naturals. Sorry, big natural resources, but same, same. It's there with a planning to expand gas production by up to a third over the next decade. And I'm like, just hang around me after Christmas dinner. I can help you out with that. I would be a great natural resource. The chief executive of Azerbaijan's COP 2019 was also filmed promoting fossil fuel deals, which again, chimes with the goal of reducing carbon dependence
Starting point is 00:29:46 for the world in the same way that metabolic by slipknot, the American heavy metal band chimes with a lullaby for a sleepy baby. Or in the same way that an unanesthetized chainsaw appendectomy chimes with a session of snooker. It jarred, I think is what I'm trying to say the UN Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez described continued expansion of fossil fuel use as absurd and I mean I do worry about about Gutierrez Basically has to deal with the environment has to deal with the Middle East. Yes, the door with Ukraine he has to deal with the continued failures of He has to deal with Ukraine. He has to deal with the continued failures of humanity,
Starting point is 00:30:24 of politics, of global cooperation. And his face has now become not so much a human face, a more a piece of installation art entitled The Inevitable Futility of Existence. And I just want to see, I don't know if there's anything that could make him smile now after he's done that job for so long. That's my biggest worry in the world
Starting point is 00:30:44 is Antonio Guterrez's face. He said you can't double down, right? We shouldn't double down on fossil fuels, but that's easier said than done. Right. We've developed this dependence. It's hard to break ourselves out. There's so much profit to be had still. And it's just that old saying goes, right?
Starting point is 00:31:00 Once you go frack, you never go back. And he's really clean. The president of Azerbaijan is really clinging to fossil fuels. But I on a personal level, I can't blame him, right? Because you used to look ridiculous not having fossil fuels. They used to be so in. He's like a nearly 40 year old standup comedian living in Brooklyn who won't stop wearing skinny jeans despite them having been out of fashion for years and being environmentally
Starting point is 00:31:29 catastrophic to keep purchasing them the way they do. Sorry, somebody snuck into my notebook and wrote that. That's wrong. That's actually cool. You can wear whatever jeans you want. I'm so cool. I've always been cool. I like, I like once you go frack, you never go back. Shale for sale is also- that's good. There's also a nice one. Mm hmm. And you could probably do an entire pun run based on fossil fuels. Um, yeah, I I reckon I probably could. But I've been clean for for quite a while.
Starting point is 00:32:01 I was I was at a friend's birthday party. This is a side last weekend, and someone had given him his dad a sticker that said, no puns to remind him not to make puns at his son's surprise 40th birthday party. That should have said, I'm no pun at parties. Is this a slivery slope? What's the point of COP29 if the three sort of biggest polluters in terms of countries aren't present at this? I guess the key is that, Tiff, that you've got to keep having these conferences every
Starting point is 00:32:37 single year because if you miss a year, the world will end. So that's the best thing you can do for the environment is to keep having those conferences. Also, if you skip a year, they won't budget it for the next year. And then you just lose the funding for your lobster tail and fly by private jet event. It is kind of a real reusable tote bag situation, right? Where you do one of these conferences and you go, all right, pretty good. And then by the time we've done so many of them,
Starting point is 00:33:12 you're like, these things are really starting to pile up. Yes. Don't seem to be making the difference we've intended. Yeah, 29 is, it feels like an awful lot of conferences now. So given that we're still... If the conference was a girl, Leonardo DiCaprio would have already stopped dating. Calendar news now. And well, there's been a few articles Tiff this week about the Pirelli calendar, I was just reading articles this week about the Pirelli calendar getting back to, well, I mean, basics, I'm not sure, it's gone a bit sort of old school in terms of the level
Starting point is 00:33:55 of and style of nudity involved. We're writing. Yes. I mean, the Pirelli calendar for me, I mean, I always found it very, very confusing. As a teenage fan of tires, it was one of the most baffling publications I've ever come across and haunted me through my impressionable... Oh, look at the tread on that one. Yes, bring us up to date with the latest excitement.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Well, I could, for anyone listening that doesn't know about the Pirelli calendar, I've got someone to decipher it for you. So I've got Scottish boyfriend explains a hang. Well now Scottish husband. So Scottish husband explains a hang. Here's the hang about Pirelli calendar. It's a calendar I, but no like the one you buy your gran for Christmas with wee kittens in baskets that you got for a pound at the indoor market. No, this is a calendar for folk who didn't actually need to care what day it is, because they've got no days till payday countdowns today. Instead they get to look at beautiful people standing on cliffs or floating in an infinity pool somewhere sunny while the rest of us are stuck freezing in line at Aldi trying to remember if we've hit the lecce meter emergency credit. But here's the kicker right, the calendar isn't even for us
Starting point is 00:35:18 right, you can't just walk into WH Smith and pick one up, nah. It's made exclusively for Pirelli's rich pals, big CEOs, maybe a couple of oil barons, folk who probably have a private island for each day of the week. And while the world gets colder, the rich get warmer. They get to jet models and photographers to exotic places, probably spending the GDP of a small country just to capture the essence of art and didn't even start me on the hypocrisy. Page 3 gets banned in 2015, rightly so because we decided we didn't need to see semi naked folks staring out from the breakfast table. But the Pirelli calendar, it's high art. Aye right, same thing, different tax bracket. So here we are, dream of a better life through pictures we're not even allowed to see.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Thanks, Pirelli, but I'll stick to my freebie from the Chinese takeaway. Wow. See, it appears it's a class issue, Andy. Right. Well, I was sort of wondering, like, what kind of things would be sexy to have in the Pirelli calendar, things that we would find truly sexy, like for January, like a picture of a signed copy of the Paris Agreement, that would be quite nice. Or maybe a classic hottie from history like Florence Nightingale in February, she's one of your faves. Or this is the most important one, I think,
Starting point is 00:36:43 the inventor of the condom, Charles Goodyear. He's sexy. He invented the condom. In fact, why is it a Pirelli calendar at all when another tire man helped make safe sex available for all? That beats someone like lying over a rock like a mollusk. Like let's see Charlie with a raging boner and a prophylactic in his hand. That's an even better double dip tires and condoms.
Starting point is 00:37:09 That's even better than the Michelin people doing tires in restaurants. Oh, I forget they do get about don't they? What a weird combination of things. It always makes you wonder what it is about tires that obviously makes these companies think there must be more to life than this and branch out. It has the Michelin cut is a genuine question. Was it originally a guide for restaurants you would stop at on the road? That's a I don't know I don't know. Like a like a list of little chefs it just started as a list of little chefs and Texaco garages It's the little chefs and Texaco garages that you can start off in. And everyone would be like, well, this is one star.
Starting point is 00:37:52 And they were like, no, you can't give one star. A star is what we give to something that's really good. So just list it. And then it went up from there. So basically just started as, you know, sausage and beans by the roadside and ended up with a, um, a tiny little rabbit fetus that has been massaged over 14 months by a, by a Trappist monk before being served in a reduction of its own despair and costing 40,000 pounds for the dish. I mean, that's, I guess the, the progress of, the progress of, of, of food.
Starting point is 00:38:26 And join the boring real answer. Yeah, go on. So there weren't enough cars on the road. So the Michelin company were like, how do we get more people driving? We put a load of restaurants that you need to drive to in a book. Right. And that's how it. Stars aren't even for how good the food is. Food is it's just for how far apart the restaurant is from where you are. I could only assume. I think the boring real answer could be a new podcast.
Starting point is 00:38:55 I think the world needs more podcasts. And this is once again, as the whole episode has been, brought to you by Fossil Fuels. Fossil Fuels. Thank God those dinosaurs died. Shell for sale. In other religion news, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the number one ranked Anglican in the world, has resigned following an abuse scandal in the church. An independent review found that Justin Welby had failed to act on reports of abuse over several decades by a man who ran Christian camps. The church covered up allegations, failed
Starting point is 00:39:38 to investigate them despite having known about them from the early 80s and did not report them to the police. In all, a massive, horrendous, cosmically hypocritical institutional failure to add to the catalog of massive, horrendous, cosmically hypocritical institutional failures perpetrated by, A, Christian institutions, and indeed, no doubt, institutions of other religions who with hindsight should maybe have cross-referred
Starting point is 00:39:59 with the teachings of their literal pinup boy Messiah, Jesus Christ, if they were in doubt about stuff like this, because I think Jesus would come down pretty strongly against it, and also be by British institutions who've been having a bit of a bad run over the last few hundred years. It's, I think, a unique resignation in the history of the Church of England at the time when its market share has been dribbling away. But the most interesting thing is who could be next? And I've looked at the possible candidates and I think I've laid my cards on the table over the years on the bugle. I'm not a practicing member of the Church of England.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I'm an even worse Christian than I am a Jew. You're not practicing because you've perfected Anglicanism. But it's obviously a huge position in British public life and so it's important to see who could be next. Some people have mentioned the Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, but will he be prepared to move house at the age of 66? That would be a big upheaval for at Yorkie York as he goes on social media. He had, he was rumored to have been overheard saying no sudden where am I doing the m2 three times a week. So that could be a deal snapper for the Archbishop of York. Could it be a female
Starting point is 00:41:19 Archbishop of Canterbury? Someone suggested the Bishop of Gloucester, Rachel Truweak. She's said that she believes God is neither male nor female, which if true, would be the only modern thing about God. And that could be quite an exciting development, I think. Also in the running, chief rabbi Ephraim Mervis, experience of leading one of the big three Abrahamic franchises here in Britain. But can he be tempted to transfer to traditional rivals, the Church of England at the age of 68? Could be his last chance for a big transfer and a new challenge, but he
Starting point is 00:41:54 might be holding out for a crack at the paper seat. Come on, go and try his hand in Europe. Is the transfer window still open, Andy? Don't know when it closes for the season. Yeah, well, it's just been reopened, the stained glass transfer window is indeed open. St. Augustine in the running, the original Archbishop of Cairnsbury, who of course famously died in 604 AD, but with generative AI now capable of effectively bringing back the dead, something of course that Christianity fans have a track record and for being quite quite in favourable. A reboot for the conversion specialist and professional saint could be a good option for the beleaguered C of E. And then you've got Taylor Swift. I mean if there's ever going to be a female Archbishop of
Starting point is 00:42:39 Canterbury it would surely have to be someone like Swift. I mean the Church of England loves songs, Swift loves songs. And of course, our famous, we are never ever getting back together song was rightly interpreted as laying down her opposition to the Anglican and Catholic Church is setting aside their 500 year old differences and reuniting.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Social media- I think she's gonna win the Grammy for best schism this year. Ha ha ha. Schism of the year, Taylor Swift. She's come down very much on the side of Henry VIII on that one. Then you've got Prince Andrew, formerly second in line to the throne, who's dropped down the rankings now eighth in line, terribly out of form, Prince Andrew, desperately needing a new public role to repair his own reputational damage.
Starting point is 00:43:17 What a redemption arc that could be for Andrew. And so I mean mean he'd fit right in based on what well he's had to resign for. Gary Lineker is he's been plummeting in the odds with the bookmakers. He stepped down as host of the BBC's flagship football highlight show match of the day this week. Coincidence? There's no such thing as coincidence you f***ing buffoons. It's going to be Lineker all day long. And Elon Mussel, who's a clone of Elon Musk, the 12th of the Elon Musk clones, of course the 11th Elon Musk has of course been the most successful so far. But another Elon Musk clone running one of the world's leading religions, I think that could be good for the brand.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Well that brings us to the end of this week's bugle. What is it now? I'll try and work it out for the top of my head. It's only about another 170 odd bugles until the end of Trump's next what another hundred and hundred and seventy odd bugles until the end of Trump's next second term in office. 170 and maybe 200 max. I don't know. So it's not that many, not that many, but we will try and keep going, keep going and might even launch a new series. Maybe we'll, when did we last have a new season? We had the season that lasted three seconds. What's it? I think we're in season six now. We are in season six. It's, I don't know, 50 odd episodes old. Andy, the numbers don't make sense anymore.
Starting point is 00:44:53 So say what you like. I mean, you need to how many seasons is syndication? Right. That's a good question. Community, they famously wanted six seasons in a movie. So after this season ends, the bugle, the movie is the next logical step. Yeah. Well, so anyway, we will we'll we'll we'll definitely keep going for at least 180 more episodes,
Starting point is 00:45:17 Buglers. So strap in. Josh, thanks. Thanks for joining us. I know it's a very difficult time for you and your entire nation. It's going to be screaming about this to you or to whoever was listening. So thank you for taking me out of circulation with the other people in my life for an hour. Anything to plug? Yeah, I do a newsletter called That's Marvelous every Monday.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Josh Gondelman, that's sub stack.com. It's free and it has on my tour dates. I'm doing after right after Thanksgiving, I'm doing a little run of shows with Ted Leo and Amy Mann and Paul F. Tompkins and telling me Nellie McKay around kind of the northeast. They're 10, 10. Amy's Christmas shows. I have a stand up special called People Pleaser that's out. And then another one hopefully coming early, early next year called that will be called, um, positive reinforcement.
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