The Bugle - Warships of the Caribbean - With John Oliver
Episode Date: October 29, 2025This week, Andy is joined by special guest John Oliver for a very special reunion episode of The Bugle.🏛️ From the White House: The latest updates from the most... powerful building in the world — still home to confusion, scandal, and policy made via impulse tweet.🎨 The Louvre Heist: Art! Intrigue! Security guards on lunch! We break down the most stylish theft of the year and ask the big question: if you steal art ironically, does it count?📻 Bugle Nostalgia: Andy and John take a stroll down Bugle memory lane, reminiscing about the early days of international nonsense, awkward satire, and moments that aged about as well as a banana in the sun.Expect high-brow theft, low-brow politics, and top-tier Bugle chemistry.Bugle Christmas Jumpers/Sweaters are now on sale - this is a one time thing: thebuglepodcast.comProduced by Chris Skinner and Laura Turner. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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                                        The Supreme Court building is getting a fucking make-over this year.
                                         
                                        There is a non-zero chance that that place has a stripper pole
                                         
                                        and an all-you-can-eat buffet before the end of this calendar year.
                                         
                                        Hello, buglers, and welcome to issue 4,358.
                                         
                                        of the bugle the world's leading and
                                         
                                        only audio newspaper for a visual world
                                         
                                        and this is a very
                                         
                                        special issue before we started
                                         
    
                                        though a quick alert to our Australian listeners
                                         
                                        or indeed anyone who's going to be in Australia
                                         
                                        from late November to early January
                                         
                                        I am heading your way
                                         
                                        there will be live bugles in Brisbane
                                         
                                        on the 2nd of December with Alice Fraser
                                         
                                        and Melbourne on the 22nd
                                         
                                        of December with Lloyd Langford
                                         
    
                                        also I'll be doing my stand-up show
                                         
                                        the Zoltgeist special Australia edition
                                         
                                        in Perth on the 26th
                                         
                                        in November, Brisbane on the 3rd of December, Adelaide on the 14th, Melbourne on the 23rd of
                                         
                                        December and Sydney on the 2nd of January. I then have UK dates from the 31st of January through
                                         
                                        to May. A fully updated version of the Zaltgeist entitled The Zaltgeist, a second thwack. All
                                         
                                        details on my website, andesaltman.com.com. But now, well, almost now, to this week's
                                         
                                        bugle. After this message from our sponsors, who are the Bugle podcast, there are official limited
                                         
    
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                                        fashion accessory of the year. But now, and I really mean it this time, to issue 4,358
                                         
                                        of the bugle, I promise you something special and it does not get more special than this. If you
                                         
                                        like A, the bugle, B, the passage of time,
                                         
                                        C, the number 18, and D, a live show
                                         
    
                                        featuring via trans-oceanic video call,
                                         
                                        a true blast from the Bugles long past.
                                         
                                        This is taken from the first half
                                         
                                        of the Bougal's 18th birthday live,
                                         
                                        live stream show live, on Sunday the 26th of October
                                         
                                        at the Leicester Square Theatre in London.
                                         
                                        Please welcome to the stage, Andy Gottberg!
                                         
                                        Hello, Bueglars!
                                         
    
                                        Welcome to the Bugle 18th birthday live stream live here live from London's glamorous London district.
                                         
                                        We are...
                                         
                                        I'm fine.
                                         
                                        How are you?
                                         
                                        Are you ready for whatever slightly ramshackle collection of things
                                         
                                        and technological glitches take place over the next couple of hours?
                                         
                                        Give me an X.
                                         
                                        V!
                                         
    
                                        Give me an I!
                                         
                                        Give me another eye!
                                         
                                        Give me one final eye!
                                         
                                        What have you got?
                                         
                                        Very good.
                                         
                                        You've done very well-trained crowds.
                                         
                                        Without further adjourned,
                                         
                                        a man who needs no introduction
                                         
    
                                        but who is going to get an introduction
                                         
                                        nonetheless
                                         
                                        someone who is currently lagging
                                         
                                        over 350 episodes
                                         
                                        behind all-time leader Andy Zaltzman
                                         
                                        in the highly prestigious
                                         
                                        most episodes of the bugle co-hosted
                                         
                                        stumbling slowly
                                         
    
                                        towards 300 it's a man
                                         
                                        who cannot open his toilet door these days
                                         
                                        without tripping over a f***ing Emmy statue
                                         
                                        but who crucially
                                         
                                        has never once been nominated
                                         
                                        as sports data journalist
                                         
                                        of the year. So who's the
                                         
                                        fucking winner here?
                                         
    
                                        Let's call it one all.
                                         
                                        A survivor of the love
                                         
                                        guru and Smurfs 2.
                                         
                                        The man
                                         
                                        best known as the guy who used to do a
                                         
                                        podcast with Andy's Altman
                                         
                                        all the way from his well-earned exile
                                         
                                        in New York City. It's the one and only
                                         
    
                                        actually that's probably quite a few of them. John Oliver!
                                         
                                        Hello, fingers crossed.
                                         
                                        There he is. There he is.
                                         
                                        There we go.
                                         
                                        Judas, thank you very much.
                                         
                                        Yeah, people hated it when you went to electric, John.
                                         
                                        Welcome to your first ever live bugle.
                                         
                                        Hello, Andy.
                                         
    
                                        Hello, buglers. This brings back so many memories.
                                         
                                        I remember distinctly the day the bugle was born so clearly born,
                                         
                                        kicking and screaming right into the loving arms
                                         
                                        of Rupert Murdoch's Times newspaper.
                                         
                                        And only when we realized that Rupert
                                         
                                        was probably going to be an unfit co-parent
                                         
                                        and not tolerant of the bugles of tantrums
                                         
                                        did we decide to bust out and raise it on our own.
                                         
    
                                        And here we are. Things have changed so much, Andy,
                                         
                                        in the last 18 years.
                                         
                                        18 years ago, I barely knew what a podcast was.
                                         
                                        And now it seems all presidential candidates
                                         
                                        have to go on at least 20 of them
                                         
                                        to be taken seriously.
                                         
                                        The Rok to the White House
                                         
                                        currently runs right through
                                         
    
                                        Joe Rogan.
                                         
                                        And you have to sit there while he promotes
                                         
                                        athletic greens. Is that a good thing?
                                         
                                        I don't think so, but it's the world we live in now.
                                         
                                        Andy, this year, Benjamin Netanyahu went on the
                                         
                                        Nelk Boys podcast.
                                         
                                        He went on the...
                                         
                                        He was interviewed by the Nelke Boys, and at one point they said to Netanyahu,
                                         
    
                                        you like... I quote,
                                         
                                        you like Burger King over McDonald's, that's your worst take.
                                         
                                        It's not his worst take, Andy.
                                         
                                        Podcasts have officially got out of hand now,
                                         
                                        And I think you are partly responsible for that.
                                         
                                        So, John, I mean, you did eight years, almost 300 episodes of the bugle.
                                         
                                        Then you had to stop doing it in 2015.
                                         
                                        And no one knows why.
                                         
    
                                        The rumours I've heard, one is that you had to settle down and get a regular 9 to 5 gig.
                                         
                                        Two is that you wanted to try and make it as a professional line dancer.
                                         
                                        And the other was that you insisted on being 10% louder than me in the bugle.
                                         
                                        And Chris said no.
                                         
                                        Can you confirm why it was that you left or not?
                                         
                                        Well, Andy, you know, I just wanted to see you spread your wings and fly,
                                         
                                        you know, like a bird right into a windmill.
                                         
                                        That's what I wanted.
                                         
    
                                        In terms of, you know, how your decision to leave the bugle has worked out for the world, John,
                                         
                                        since you left in 2015, John, Donald Trump has won, not one, not three,
                                         
                                        but two presidential elections.
                                         
                                        He would dispute that, Andy.
                                         
                                        He would say he won't.
                                         
                                        You think you're right.
                                         
                                        Brexit happened.
                                         
                                        Boris Johnson.
                                         
    
                                        God rest his soul.
                                         
                                        If it is ever located.
                                         
                                        He briefly became Prime Minister.
                                         
                                        There are more wars around the world
                                         
                                        than I've had hot dinners today,
                                         
                                        which is quite a lot of hot dinners, to be honest.
                                         
                                        The pangs of guilt must be a daily burden for you, John.
                                         
                                        Well, I just don't think that cause effect stands up, Andy.
                                         
    
                                        I have to believe that, you know, a butterfly didn't beat its wings
                                         
                                        and then Brexit happened and then Trump turned the world upside.
                                         
                                        And I will say, I don't like the tone of your voice, Andy.
                                         
                                        America is still the greatest country in the world.
                                         
                                        It is still a shining city on a hill, even if it is on fire.
                                         
                                        You can still shine when you're on fire.
                                         
                                        This is the shining, smoking city on a hill.
                                         
                                        I've got a note here for my research
                                         
    
                                        Did you just get back from the Riyadh comedy festival
                                         
                                        Or couldn't I couldn't
                                         
                                        Oh you know
                                         
                                        Andy's very important to bring jokes
                                         
                                        To the Saudi Royal Family
                                         
                                        I think all comedians are nothing funnier
                                         
                                        Than taking Saudi Royal Family money at the end of the day
                                         
                                        It's the long game
                                         
    
                                        They just haven't got to the big punch line yet
                                         
                                        so
                                         
                                        well for our sort of anniversary
                                         
                                        this we'll like this about 18
                                         
                                        18 years the bugle is 80
                                         
                                        can you believe the bugle is 18
                                         
                                        John the bugle is now old enough
                                         
                                        to vote
                                         
    
                                        legally
                                         
                                        it's long since been old enough
                                         
                                        to vote if it gave you shit
                                         
                                        old enough to buy a drink
                                         
                                        legally or an America to buy a drink legally
                                         
                                        if it's got fake ID
                                         
                                        old enough to drive a submarine
                                         
                                        into an aquarium and release all the turtles
                                         
    
                                        old enough to become an unlicensed vicar
                                         
                                        and march on Rome to declare itself the one true Pope
                                         
                                        I mean these are exciting times for the bugle John
                                         
                                        old enough to buy enough firearms to start a well-regulated militia
                                         
                                        in any standard grocery store in the USA
                                         
                                        and old enough to do an 18th birthday special
                                         
                                        without people saying it's a bit early to be doing that isn't it
                                         
                                        so we've made it to...
                                         
    
                                        Isn't it old enough to get a tattoo as well Andy
                                         
                                        and to be criminally tried as an adult.
                                         
                                        Well, too late for the first one,
                                         
                                        and fingers crossed on the second.
                                         
                                        As always, buglers,
                                         
                                        one section of this audio newspaper is going, where?
                                         
                                        Inns or he!
                                         
                                        I can't hear you, it's going where?
                                         
    
                                        I think I could hear you the first time, too.
                                         
                                        Andy, you're like a 1980s game show host
                                         
                                        without the second.
                                         
                                        So I always dreamed of being.
                                         
                                        John.
                                         
                                        Not that kind.
                                         
                                        Family show.
                                         
                                        I don't usually have to say that to the audience.
                                         
    
                                        Usually have to say that to one of our guests
                                         
                                        who's joining us later.
                                         
                                        So,
                                         
                                        so for our section,
                                         
                                        we're going to compare 2007,
                                         
                                        the year the bugle started with 2024.
                                         
                                        I mean, do you think the world's improved
                                         
                                        since 2007 or got worse, John?
                                         
    
                                        In what way?
                                         
                                        It depends what you think the word improved means.
                                         
                                        You think in the traditional sense, sure, it's got worse, but, you know, if you're a fan of really
                                         
                                        steering into the skid, the world has definitely done that, hasn't it?
                                         
                                        What about, what about you, give us a cheer if you think things have got better?
                                         
                                        Yay!
                                         
                                        Oh, God.
                                         
                                        Oh, no.
                                         
    
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Well, I think, one thing that has got better is pessimism, which I think is just so much.
                                         
                                        It's more effective.
                                         
                                        It's proved right so much.
                                         
                                        It's stats, John, off the scale.
                                         
                                        Pessimism these days.
                                         
                                        Well, statistics, as we know,
                                         
                                        I like a comedian who's just done
                                         
    
                                        the Riyadh Comedy Festival.
                                         
                                        If you treat them right,
                                         
                                        I'll say whatever the fuck you want.
                                         
                                        But if we look back to 2007, historically,
                                         
                                        it was a simpler planet in 2007.
                                         
                                        People live simple, happy lives,
                                         
                                        eating simple, happy foods,
                                         
                                        hunting with simple, happy flint-tipped spears.
                                         
    
                                        The boredom was interrupted only by the odd family day out
                                         
                                        to go to your local henge to see if it was midsummer or not
                                         
                                        and maybe look at some amusingly shaped sticks
                                         
                                        or laugh at how overgrown granddad's burial mound had got
                                         
                                        or in other parts of the world build a massive fucking pyramid
                                         
                                        to make sure the dead stayed dead or arcing...
                                         
                                        Oh sorry, I've done B-C instead of 80.
                                         
                                        We better move on.
                                         
    
                                        We've got some birthday messages to the bugle, John.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        Yep.
                                         
                                        Happy birthday bugle.
                                         
                                        Can't believe it's 18 years already.
                                         
                                        Mind you, time does fly.
                                         
                                        If like me, you've been dead since the year 1910.
                                         
                                        You guys are true pioneers of audio newspapers for visual worlds,
                                         
    
                                        like I was, of battlefield nursing back in the...
                                         
                                        Andy, thanks for the flowers.
                                         
                                        Oh, shit.
                                         
                                        Sorry about the mix-up ray dinner.
                                         
                                        Maybe another time if I ever managed to nurse myself back to life.
                                         
                                        Love from Florence
                                         
                                        My wife is in this show
                                         
                                        Another birthday message John
                                         
    
                                        Well done on lasting longer than I did
                                         
                                        If you ever find yourself having a metal rod shoved up
                                         
                                        You'll know it's time to quit
                                         
                                        Guess I kind of deserved it, love from Colonel M. Gaddafi
                                         
                                        aka the human lollipop
                                         
                                        and um
                                         
                                        and um
                                         
                                        and um
                                         
    
                                        and
                                         
                                        and
                                         
                                        you're soon
                                         
                                        Andy
                                         
                                        and uh
                                         
                                        and uh
                                         
                                        this congrats dudes
                                         
                                        as one of your
                                         
    
                                        um
                                         
                                        OG listeners
                                         
                                        I think of the
                                         
                                        bugle as the greatest
                                         
                                        legacy of my 23 decades
                                         
                                        controlling global news media
                                         
                                        well done
                                         
                                        and thanks for sending me
                                         
    
                                        all that virgin
                                         
                                        blood to keep me alive for all eternity lots of love uncle rupert so um um actually the
                                         
                                        joke's on him is not actually virgin's blood it's supermarket tomato ketchup mixed with water mixed
                                         
                                        with water from the thames but amazingly it works exactly the same would you believe it so so anyway
                                         
                                        that section is in the bin
                                         
                                        top story this week white house down um um
                                         
                                        John, I know White House Down is one of the few films you've not appeared in.
                                         
                                        But I mean, what a time for America.
                                         
    
                                        The White House, the symbol of American independence, democracy, and power has been brutally attacked.
                                         
                                        Some are proclaiming it to be an inside job, possibly going right to the very top.
                                         
                                        You've been Britain's foremost shallow cover secret service agent in the US since 2006.
                                         
                                        this brutal assault taking down
                                         
                                        one of America's most treasured buildings
                                         
                                        must have spread fear into the hearts
                                         
                                        of all true Americans such as yourself, John.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I mean, if I may quote
                                         
    
                                        the words of Miley Cyrus, Andy, and I think I may.
                                         
                                        Trump's coming like a wrecking ball.
                                         
                                        The East Wing has completely gone.
                                         
                                        All he wanted was to break some walls.
                                         
                                        And he's gone and fucking wrecked it.
                                         
                                        Andy
                                         
                                        Donald Trump
                                         
                                        Don't encourage him
                                         
    
                                        Do not encourage him
                                         
                                        You are enabling this
                                         
                                        Andy
                                         
                                        Donald Trump and these many things
                                         
                                        A businessman
                                         
                                        A TV host
                                         
                                        A felon
                                         
                                        And a guest actor
                                         
    
                                        In many shows
                                         
                                        Including and this is true
                                         
                                        Suddenly Susan
                                         
                                        And the Fresh Prince of Bel Air
                                         
                                        I think
                                         
                                        He was the only president
                                         
                                        To appear in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air
                                         
                                        Other than Jimmy Carter
                                         
    
                                        Who if I remember right
                                         
                                        once asked Ashley Banks, played by Taty Aunt Ali, to the school dance,
                                         
                                        only to get a fight with Geoffrey the butler.
                                         
                                        I could be misremembering that.
                                         
                                        So I don't think I am.
                                         
                                        He's also famously a two-time president and a builder,
                                         
                                        and it's those last two jobs that really came together this week
                                         
                                        when he demolished the entire East Wing of the White House.
                                         
    
                                        It's still an incredible sentence to say out loud.
                                         
                                        It doesn't feel real, even though the East Wing of the White House
                                         
                                        is literally gone.
                                         
                                        The White House, Andy, is 80% of the White House.
                                         
                                        rubble right now. And I'll be honest, I generally don't love my metaphors being quite this
                                         
                                        on the nose. It's not ideal when the White House itself literally takes on the appearance of a
                                         
                                        lazy political cartoon. But here we are. Now, there are many things that are infuriating about this
                                         
                                        to me, Andy, including the fact that Trump had promised that this new ballroom would not involve
                                         
    
                                        demolishing the east wing of the White House at all, saying, and I quote, it'll be near it,
                                         
                                        but not touching it, though in his defence,
                                         
                                        Andy, promising not to touch something but doing it anyway,
                                         
                                        has famously never been more of his stomp.
                                         
                                        Have you heard of Donald Trump?
                                         
                                        For those who've not heard of him,
                                         
                                        10-time American Division Munger of the Year,
                                         
                                        performative, selective peace fan,
                                         
    
                                        intermittent ethnic cleansing advocate,
                                         
                                        close personal friend of America's leading sex offender,
                                         
                                        convicted criminal and ruiner of five reasons
                                         
                                        why Grover Cleveland is unique lists.
                                         
                                        Here's the self-starred Mary Curie of mayheming the Constitution,
                                         
                                        the Rosalind Franklin of rancorous fear-mongering,
                                         
                                        the Ada Lovelace of aiming low,
                                         
                                        and the Virginia Woolf of vengeful winging,
                                         
    
                                        if they had all been A, men, and B, not massive he-hast.
                                         
                                        So, but I guess, John,
                                         
                                        I guess John, as the old saying goes,
                                         
                                        in plutocrat building chat,
                                         
                                        planning permission, schmlanning smithemission.
                                         
                                        I mean, is Trump not just finishing what,
                                         
                                        Britain tried to start in 1814 when we heroically tried to do the decent thing and burn it to the ground.
                                         
                                        Yeah, well, that's the point, isn't it?
                                         
    
                                        Like, there has been, there have been, to be fair, renovations at the White House before.
                                         
                                        Teddy Roosevelt built the West Wing, Taft put in the Oval Office, Kennedy put in the Rose Garden,
                                         
                                        Nixon put in the press room on top of FDR swimming pool and built a bowling alley.
                                         
                                        Obama put in a basketball court.
                                         
                                        And as you say, the British arguably tried to make the biggest design choice possible,
                                         
                                        but we attempted to burn the thing down.
                                         
                                        in 1814, but when it comes to demolition,
                                         
                                        Trump's running a pretty close second to the red coats.
                                         
    
                                        And he's been insisting that absolutely everybody wants this ballroom,
                                         
                                        which is usually the kind of thing he says
                                         
                                        when absolutely nobody but him wants something.
                                         
                                        He said, and I quote Andy,
                                         
                                        they've wanted a ballroom at the White House
                                         
                                        for more than 150 years,
                                         
                                        but there's never been a president that was good at ballrooms.
                                         
                                        No what?
                                         
    
                                        That might be true, Andy.
                                         
                                        Maybe there hasn't been a president that was, quote, good at ballrooms.
                                         
                                        But is that a quality you want or particularly need in a president?
                                         
                                        I think there's a reason that ballroom good at itness
                                         
                                        has not come up as a subject much during presidential debate.
                                         
                                        I cannot remember seeing someone say,
                                         
                                        my opponent is just straight up bad at ballrooms.
                                         
                                        He barely knows the difference between a ballroom and a banquet hall.
                                         
    
                                        How can we trust him with running the country?
                                         
                                        There's a re-s-room.
                                         
                                        There's a reason, Andy.
                                         
                                        Ballroom efficacy is not a recurrent theme in attack ads.
                                         
                                        Kamala Harris, bad a ballroom's bad for America.
                                         
                                        And that's because no one gives a f*** about ballrooms,
                                         
                                        Andy, apart from people who like ballrooms,
                                         
                                        and those people are all assholes, all of you.
                                         
    
                                        So, I mean, in terms of, you know,
                                         
                                        what the ballroom would
                                         
                                        look like and obviously you know
                                         
                                        I mean in terms of demolishing the East Wing terrorists
                                         
                                        would have bitten their own arm off to pull off something like this
                                         
                                        but Trump has heroically preempted them
                                         
                                        so in some ways he's taking them out of the game quite effectively
                                         
                                        understated but classy
                                         
    
                                        do you think we can rule that out for the new
                                         
                                        new ballroom?
                                         
                                        That's the thing
                                         
                                        it's not just the history that's been bulldozed
                                         
                                        it's what he's putting up in its place this ballroom
                                         
                                        is going to be fucking massive
                                         
                                        the main White House residence is
                                         
                                        55,000 square feet.
                                         
    
                                        This, I think this ballroom
                                         
                                        is set to be 90,000 square feet.
                                         
                                        The White House is literally going to be
                                         
                                        in its shadow, and it is monumentally tacky.
                                         
                                        The renderings of the inside of it look like a Liberace
                                         
                                        fever dream. It looks
                                         
                                        like something you expect to see
                                         
                                        an 18th century nobleman being dragged
                                         
    
                                        out of towards a guillotine.
                                         
                                        It looks like what AI
                                         
                                        would shit out if you gave it the prompt
                                         
                                        Versailles but bad.
                                         
                                        What's the point of done?
                                         
                                        What's finally done, Annie?
                                         
                                        I want to see Kevin McLeod from Grand Designs,
                                         
                                        one of the nicest bet on TV.
                                         
    
                                        It'll be the first person let him,
                                         
                                        because I want to see him, walk in,
                                         
                                        look around and say,
                                         
                                        what the fuck did you do to this place?
                                         
                                        It looks like a dictator's ice rink
                                         
                                        and not in a good way.
                                         
                                        Other details of the plan include
                                         
                                        that it's going to have plenty of shiny poles.
                                         
    
                                        A casino urinal,
                                         
                                        so powerful men can play
                                         
                                        roulette mid-was
                                         
                                        and a golden statue of Trump
                                         
                                        himself in classic heroic pose
                                         
                                        clad in maga-branded armour,
                                         
                                        bravely watching on whilst Pete Hegsa
                                         
                                        feeds an immigrant-looking baby
                                         
    
                                        to a crocodile.
                                         
                                        It's going to be, you know, some of what America has become
                                         
                                        since you moved there, John.
                                         
                                        I will say it's consistent
                                         
                                        with Trump's M.O. as a developer in New York
                                         
                                        where historically he would just smash
                                         
                                        things down first and then ask for permission later.
                                         
                                        It's also technically legal.
                                         
    
                                        Under a nearly 60-year-old law, the White House, is exempt from a key historic preservation rule,
                                         
                                        though presidents have typically followed that rule anyway.
                                         
                                        But something being typical has never been much of a constraint for Trump.
                                         
                                        The very nicest thing you can say about him is that he isn't atypical human being.
                                         
                                        Now, Section 106, and I know you know this, Andy, of the National Historic Preservation Act,
                                         
                                        requires federal agencies to undergo a review process, including getting input from the public
                                         
                                        regarding the impact of any construction projects on historic properties.
                                         
                                        However, say it with me, Section 107 of that same act
                                         
    
                                        exempts three buildings and their grounds from that process.
                                         
                                        The White House, the US Capitol and the US Supreme Court building.
                                         
                                        And you know what that means?
                                         
                                        The Supreme Court building is getting a fucking makeover this year.
                                         
                                        There is a non-zero charge of that place has a stripper pole
                                         
                                        and an all-you-can-eat buffet before the end of this calendar year.
                                         
                                        As you say, I mean, it's the biggest change to the White House
                                         
                                        since the rumoured sex dungeon
                                         
    
                                        installed by Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1957.
                                         
                                        Shortly before a state visit by the young Queen Elizabeth II,
                                         
                                        that's entirely coincidental.
                                         
                                        Rumours of Eisenhower's sex dungeon
                                         
                                        have circulated it ever since the start of this sentence
                                         
                                        just a few seconds ago.
                                         
                                        But, I mean, it just seems clear, John, that...
                                         
                                        I'm just
                                         
    
                                        I'm just getting worried about how close I was
                                         
                                        to that statement you just made, Andy.
                                         
                                        I'm wondering, I've separated myself geographically,
                                         
                                        but I think that might be litigable over here.
                                         
                                        It makes you think that the East Wing was just designed wrong.
                                         
                                        I think Trump would have left it alone,
                                         
                                        if only, it had been built in the shape
                                         
                                        of a civil war Confederate general's buttocks
                                         
    
                                        or the testicles of a prominent slave owner.
                                         
                                        then I think he would have
                                         
                                        he would probably have left it
                                         
                                        as it was but I guess upon such
                                         
                                        slender threads
                                         
                                        in terms of
                                         
                                        you know I mean Trump is
                                         
                                        every week is busy in
                                         
    
                                        in Trump land John
                                         
                                        and I think we're now
                                         
                                        around about the 10 year mark of what is
                                         
                                        the world's longest continuously
                                         
                                        running single tantrum
                                         
                                        which basically
                                         
                                        coincides with you stopping doing the bugle actually
                                         
                                        no blame
                                         
    
                                        quite a lot of blame
                                         
                                        but
                                         
                                        in terms of
                                         
                                        what else is going on
                                         
                                        with Trump
                                         
                                        we had him
                                         
                                        raising tariffs on Canada
                                         
                                        because he got slightly annoyed
                                         
    
                                        by a TV advert
                                         
                                        is this
                                         
                                        you know
                                         
                                        the future of all
                                         
                                        politics now
                                         
                                        just tantrum-based reactions
                                         
                                        to TV ads
                                         
                                        is that one of the only people
                                         
    
                                        left on earth
                                         
                                        who actually watches
                                         
                                        ads on TV now
                                         
                                        is
                                         
                                        easiest way to speak to him. We tried to do it
                                         
                                        on last week tonight. Years ago, we hired this catheter cowboy
                                         
                                        to talk to him through the TV because it realized it's the only way you would
                                         
                                        actually have his attention. If you bought ad space on Fox News
                                         
    
                                        between shows you knew he liked, we dressed the guy up
                                         
                                        like a cowboy, gave him a catheter, and then I think, I can't remember
                                         
                                        what we told him to do, not sign a bill or something. But yeah, it's the only
                                         
                                        way you can get through to him.
                                         
                                        I feel a bit sorry for Mark Carney
                                         
                                        the Canadian Prime Minister
                                         
                                        having to deal with Trump
                                         
                                        he's sort of got the expression
                                         
    
                                        and the sort of body language
                                         
                                        of someone who's just been tasked
                                         
                                        with teaching the violin to an incontinent walrus
                                         
                                        and he said
                                         
                                        Canada will restart trade talks
                                         
                                        when Americans are ready
                                         
                                        and that sort of economic and political potty training
                                         
                                        is looking like it's going to take
                                         
    
                                        possibly decades
                                         
                                        or maybe Trump's fifth, sixth term.
                                         
                                        Do we think maybe at that point we'll be,
                                         
                                        are we thinking too far ahead there, John?
                                         
                                        I mean, you say that like it's a joke,
                                         
                                        but you don't build a 90,000 square foot ballroom
                                         
                                        if you have any attention of leaving.
                                         
                                        That's the problem.
                                         
    
                                        Then there's the warships in the Caribbean
                                         
                                        as paying himself $230 million worth of compensation.
                                         
                                        and, you know, his latest...
                                         
                                        I mean, in terms of the general state of America, John,
                                         
                                        how would you score America, let's say, out of 10 right now?
                                         
                                        Well, you know, Andy.
                                         
                                        It's a strong two.
                                         
                                        I will say warships of the Caribbean.
                                         
    
                                        Warships of the Caribbean is a strong contender
                                         
                                        for Johnny Depp's next episode of that franchise.
                                         
                                        Johnny Depp, as a pirate, invading Venezuela.
                                         
                                        That is something I might actually see.
                                         
                                        Just some breaking news, actually.
                                         
                                        The White House has slammed the Billboard Latin Music Prize Committee
                                         
                                        for overlooking President Trump for artist of the year.
                                         
                                        A White House spokesperson said,
                                         
    
                                        The President just sang a rousing and relatively tuneful rendition
                                         
                                        of I am what I am in the shower in a Mexican accent.
                                         
                                        And not awarding him artists of the year
                                         
                                        shows how woke and political the music industry has become.
                                         
                                        So, you know, it's hard.
                                         
                                        It's disappointing to see that.
                                         
                                        Do you have any shreds of optimism, John, for America,
                                         
                                        before we move on to our next story?
                                         
    
                                        Um, well, you know, uh, no.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        I was going to try, you know, engineer something up there,
                                         
                                        But it's, you know, despair is the dominant flavor of America this year.
                                         
                                        Maybe next year things will turn around.
                                         
                                        America is very good at not acknowledging reality.
                                         
                                        So maybe they will dig themselves out of this hole.
                                         
                                        I certainly hope so.
                                         
    
                                        Or just keep digging and emerge on the other side of the world.
                                         
                                        That's the thing, yeah, steer into the skid, exactly.
                                         
                                        Let's move on, Chris.
                                         
                                        There we go.
                                         
                                        France being France news now
                                         
                                        and, yes, it's the manoeuvre in the louvre.
                                         
                                        The...
                                         
                                        The, uh, an audacious heist,
                                         
    
                                        there's such a strong correlation between heisting and audacity.
                                         
                                        The, uh, there it, there it is.
                                         
                                        Look at them go.
                                         
                                        I think this might be my favourite crime ever committed.
                                         
                                        And obviously, I don't want to trivialise the suffering of the members of the French royal family
                                         
                                        in the mid-19th century.
                                         
                                        We've seen their jewels so distressingly removed.
                                         
                                        But, I mean, it was a tremendous bit of work.
                                         
    
                                        It lasted less than 10 minutes whilst the museum was open,
                                         
                                        involved a mechanical ladder, some fun-sized mini chainsaws,
                                         
                                        a couple of scooters
                                         
                                        and they pinched what are described by experts
                                         
                                        as some serious
                                         
                                        bling.
                                         
                                        The jewels have been kept
                                         
                                        just in case France ever sees the light
                                         
    
                                        and reinstalled its monarchy
                                         
                                        and looking at what's happening
                                         
                                        to its current and recent past prime ministers
                                         
                                        at the moment
                                         
                                        that emphatically cannot be ruled out
                                         
                                        as something that may happen
                                         
                                        in the next week.
                                         
                                        John, you've long been the bugles
                                         
    
                                        French arts
                                         
                                        and museums
                                         
                                        crime correspondent
                                         
                                        This is the story you've been waiting for.
                                         
                                        Andy, I would say, you know, when times are difficult, as they are now, as we've been talking about,
                                         
                                        it doesn't feel like collectively all we're being asked to play life on easy mode right now.
                                         
                                        Sometimes you do need a new story that's going to give you a bit of a lift.
                                         
                                        I'm not talking about someone turning 100 or a kid getting pulled out of a well-buyer.
                                         
    
                                        That doesn't do it for me.
                                         
                                        I'm talking about an international
                                         
                                        jewellery heist, Andy. That is
                                         
                                        exactly what everyone needed
                                         
                                        right now. I'm going to go ahead and say that this was a
                                         
                                        very good thing to happen. I'm glad
                                         
                                        this might happen. No one
                                         
                                        got hurt if you don't count Windows as
                                         
    
                                        people, and I personally don't.
                                         
                                        So, as far as I'm concerned,
                                         
                                        it's a net positive. Like you say, dressed in construction
                                         
                                        workers, in and out in seven minutes,
                                         
                                        motor scooters. If there wasn't
                                         
                                        a fake mustache involved, I think
                                         
                                        that was a shame. We needed this heist.
                                         
                                        What's not to like?
                                         
    
                                        International crime syndicate
                                         
                                        operates in the Louvre.
                                         
                                        Jules are stolen.
                                         
                                        Fundamentally, the French are probably to blame.
                                         
                                        This ticks a lot of my bosses.
                                         
                                        And I'll say this, Addy, people there seem to like it, too.
                                         
                                        There was an American tourist I saw at the BBC.
                                         
                                        It was interviewed.
                                         
    
                                        She said, and I quote,
                                         
                                        I think the heist made it exciting to go to the Louvre.
                                         
                                        I think later, we're going to try and find where people
                                         
                                        poke in and take a picture near it.
                                         
                                        What? Absolutely monumental f*** you to every other item inside the Louvre, Andy.
                                         
                                        To walk past the winged victory of Samothrace,
                                         
                                        a masterpiece of Greek sculpture to go and take a picture of something that isn't there anymore.
                                         
                                        Just put yourself, Andy, into the winged victory of Samothrace's shoes.
                                         
    
                                        Normally, you're being walked past to see the Mona Lisa,
                                         
                                        a B plus da Vinci on its best day.
                                         
                                        But now, to be ignored.
                                         
                                        to see a broken window. I'm not sure
                                         
                                        you're technically art anymore. You're a
                                         
                                        geographic marker on a museum map
                                         
                                        to somewhere else.
                                         
                                        We mentioned the Mona Lisa.
                                         
    
                                        Herself, a veteran of being stolen
                                         
                                        from the Louvre after she was whipped off the wall
                                         
                                        back in 1911. On
                                         
                                        hearing news of this latest heist,
                                         
                                        that Mona Lisa was reported to be looking concerned
                                         
                                        or was it disappointed? Or was it
                                         
                                        mildly amused by unsurprised or
                                         
                                        nonchalantly disinterested? It's so hard to tell.
                                         
    
                                        But
                                         
                                        I mean, fortunately for far, I mean
                                         
                                        In terms of the lost jewellery,
                                         
                                        and obviously it's dear to the hearts of fans of the French post-revolution
                                         
                                        reinstituted monarchy that people generally forget about.
                                         
                                        But luckily for France, there are loads of jewellery shops in Paris.
                                         
                                        I guess it's one of the benefits of everyone having affairs all the time.
                                         
                                        So they should be able to restock quite easily.
                                         
    
                                        And also the Louvre has got loads of other stuff.
                                         
                                        And you've mentioned just a couple of the famous bits.
                                         
                                        They've got over 500,000 objects in their collection,
                                         
                                        around about 35,000 on display.
                                         
                                        So I think we should give the Louvre credit, John,
                                         
                                        and say, well done.
                                         
                                        99.998% of your stuff has not been stolen in Broad Daylight.
                                         
                                        Let's give them credit for that.
                                         
    
                                        Also, for what it's worth, Andy, there's...
                                         
                                        This wasn't even the first time the Louvre's being robbed.
                                         
                                        The Mona Lisa was famously stolen in 2011.
                                         
                                        In 1976, King Charles X sword was stolen.
                                         
                                        I think the most recent robbery,
                                         
                                        was in 1998.
                                         
                                        The point is,
                                         
                                        robbing the Louvre is a proud French tradition.
                                         
    
                                        The only way the thieves that stole those jewels
                                         
                                        could have done this in a more French way
                                         
                                        was if they pole vaulted up the window
                                         
                                        with a giant baguette,
                                         
                                        smoking a jiton cigarette
                                         
                                        while dressed like a sexually aggressive skunk.
                                         
                                        Now, I believe...
                                         
                                        I believe they have...
                                         
    
                                        Didn't you once do a voiceover
                                         
                                        for a sexually aggressive skunk in a film?
                                         
                                        In a cartoon?
                                         
                                        Is that out yet? I forget.
                                         
                                        I think if I did, Disney would have recast it with a younger voice now.
                                         
                                        I believe they have, tragically, I think they have a couple of men in custody now,
                                         
                                        which is very disappointing.
                                         
                                        But my favourite suspect was a man who appeared in a single AP photograph
                                         
    
                                        and immediately caught the attention of the internet.
                                         
                                        Do you have the photo there, Chris?
                                         
                                        Bring it up.
                                         
                                        Look at this man.
                                         
                                        Look.
                                         
                                        He's fucking man right now.
                                         
                                        Look, I don't know if you can look more like a jewel thief
                                         
                                        without having a bag of stolen jewels in your hands.
                                         
    
                                        That is a man who walks into a designer boutique
                                         
                                        and head straight for the diamond swiper section.
                                         
                                        Look at the expression on that French policeman's face there.
                                         
                                        You can keep thinking, are you real?
                                         
                                        And he wasn't alone.
                                         
                                        Lots of people online claimed that he was AI,
                                         
                                        but the photographer apparently confirmed that the man was real.
                                         
                                        he was just a passerby
                                         
    
                                        unconnected to the investigation
                                         
                                        no one has ever looked like that in human history
                                         
                                        if he didn't steal those diamonds
                                         
                                        he was on his way to steal some different ones
                                         
                                        so the
                                         
                                        heisters apparently they tend to go for jewellery
                                         
                                        because it can be broken up and sold
                                         
                                        rather than paintings and sculptures
                                         
    
                                        which can't
                                         
                                        I mean it's be quite hard to try and fence that
                                         
                                        on the back, would you like two square inches of canvas
                                         
                                        with a small bit of an enigmatic smile on?
                                         
                                        No. How about one,
                                         
                                        a little bit with the one remaining ear
                                         
                                        of some bearded Dutch dude?
                                         
                                        Still, no. How about this little scrap
                                         
    
                                        of miserable looking dark red paint?
                                         
                                        I just fucking Rothko, you fucking Philistine!
                                         
                                        Maybe I can interest you in this very finely sculpted todger.
                                         
                                        Or perhaps, I can even throw an extra bollicking as well.
                                         
                                        I can do it for two mil.
                                         
                                        So I guess that's why
                                         
                                        that's why jewellery is more vulnerable.
                                         
                                        Andy, I've always
                                         
    
                                        I've always admired your ability
                                         
                                        and inclination to force-feed
                                         
                                        Rothko jokes to audiences.
                                         
                                        For Flagra, putting it right down their
                                         
                                        f*** croaks.
                                         
                                        Is he going to do his Rothko stuff,
                                         
                                        Mommy?
                                         
                                        Definitely didn't do it.
                                         
    
                                        The Rothko stuff, not so much
                                         
                                        about the actual joke. It's more about the
                                         
                                        mood that it creates.
                                         
                                        No, obviously, John, I mean,
                                         
                                        obviously, John, I mean, you know,
                                         
                                        all the major art galleries of the world
                                         
                                        and museums of the world will be very concerned about
                                         
                                        stuff like this happening. In fact, a friend of mine, he was told by his
                                         
    
                                        doctor.
                                         
                                        No, no, no, no, no, no.
                                         
                                        He was told...
                                         
                                        Whoa.
                                         
                                        He was told...
                                         
                                        It was told...
                                         
                                        It's a very moving story, actually, this, John.
                                         
                                        A friend of mine was told by his doctor
                                         
    
                                        he had less than 100 years to live.
                                         
                                        And so, he wrote himself a bucket list
                                         
                                        and he wanted to visit every major art gallery museum in the world.
                                         
                                        In fact, I'd first encountered him,
                                         
                                        queuing up to get a ticket to one of the big galleries in New York.
                                         
                                        And he told me his plan
                                         
                                        and that he wanted me to go with him to all the galleries.
                                         
                                        And I said,
                                         
    
                                        I said, let's take a moment to think about all this.
                                         
                                        We've only just met.
                                         
                                        I can tell he was upset.
                                         
                                        Oh, frick, he said.
                                         
                                        Anyway, I agree to go with him.
                                         
                                        So we came to London, and anyway, we're queuing up for the gallery in London,
                                         
                                        a couple of galleries.
                                         
                                        And he was talking to his French lady friend
                                         
    
                                        about which of London's galleries to go to,
                                         
                                        the one with all the modern stuff,
                                         
                                        or the one with all the old Turner paintings.
                                         
                                        They decided to go to both after a very intense conversation,
                                         
                                        a real Tate Our Tate.
                                         
                                        his uh his uh his uh his uh his uh his uh his uh his uh his friend's recently acquired a pair of vintage antique cimitars uh he called uh madame two swords
                                         
                                        uh anyway he always dreamed of being an MP this guy John so whenever it came to anything
                                         
                                        like a vote this affected his language uh I said to him do you reckon people think London
                                         
    
                                        has the best museums in the world and he said oh it's tough to call and it could go either way
                                         
                                        I reckon some people would veer towards I
                                         
                                        and others would veer and A.
                                         
                                        What time did you have to leave?
                                         
                                        Right, still quite a few to get through.
                                         
                                        Tell me, we had a snack where in the Cuthan Museum
                                         
                                        and then he brought this weird cured meat
                                         
                                        laced with ecstasy
                                         
    
                                        made from the backside of a large horned deer
                                         
                                        which to improve the flavour spent its entire life
                                         
                                        sitting on a big French soft cheese.
                                         
                                        It was quite tasty though.
                                         
                                        the British moose e-ham
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
    
                                        You
                                         
                                        No
                                         
                                        No
                                         
                                        No
                                         
                                        Anyway so we then
                                         
                                        Anyway
                                         
                                        You don't get to say
                                         
                                        Anyway after a pun like that
                                         
    
                                        Andrew
                                         
                                        So we
                                         
                                        We popped up to Oxford for our next museum
                                         
                                        We're not done
                                         
                                        There are fewer than ten left
                                         
                                        We popped up to Oxford for our next museum trip
                                         
                                        We had a chat on the way
                                         
                                        He actually might be interested in this
                                         
    
                                        He wanted to know my friend
                                         
                                        Whether people called Joan were better than people called John
                                         
                                        And he decided to work it out with a kind of head to head
                                         
                                        Between famous Jones and famous John
                                         
                                        So he made a list of who he would put up against who
                                         
                                        So he said, I reckon you'd want armour trading
                                         
                                        To take on Malkovich
                                         
                                        You'd want of art
                                         
    
                                        to go up against Oliver,
                                         
                                        but who would you pit rivers against?
                                         
                                        Oh, tough crowd.
                                         
                                        So anyway, we went to Paris
                                         
                                        and he dropped a trail of crumbs
                                         
                                        in case he got lost. I said, you're making a mess.
                                         
                                        He said, don't worry, someone louver up the mess.
                                         
                                        We went to a queue to another museum,
                                         
    
                                        happened to be queuing up with a load
                                         
                                        of early 20th century rock bands, John,
                                         
                                        and he asked these rock bands to grade
                                         
                                        1960s bands, but they were only allowed
                                         
                                        to give one band the top grade.
                                         
                                        It was interesting to see who they rated the highest,
                                         
                                        actually, Queens of the Stone Age, they say Rolling Stones, A.
                                         
                                        Lincoln Park, they say Beatles, eh, but Mews say d'Orsay.
                                         
    
                                        I don't even know if that's the right museum anymore.
                                         
                                        So then we went to Florence, and this German billionaire advertised for someone to accompany him around the museum.
                                         
                                        So a very strict criteria, though, my friend thought he had a good chance.
                                         
                                        So we rang a number and described himself, yes, said the German billionaire.
                                         
                                        You fit the profile.
                                         
                                        Anyway, then in Bill Bow,
                                         
                                        in Bill Bow, my...
                                         
                                        In Bill Bow, my friend swallowed this electronic device
                                         
    
                                        that heats and melts solid adhesive
                                         
                                        so you can squirt it exactly where you want.
                                         
                                        But luckily, someone knew first aid
                                         
                                        and you'd kind of used an abdominal thrust
                                         
                                        to get him to cough it up
                                         
                                        with a glue gun hymn lick.
                                         
                                        So anyway, we went back.
                                         
                                        We ended up, okay, I'll cut the next three out.
                                         
    
                                        We ended up back in the, we ended up back in the USA, John, in D.C.
                                         
                                        And I told my friend, I've read this story about how 1980s musicians
                                         
                                        had bought 1980s England cricketers at a special charity auction.
                                         
                                        David Vernon, talking heads, bid successfully for David Gower,
                                         
                                        and Morrissey and his old bandmates, they bought both them.
                                         
                                        And he said, what? The Smith's own Ian?
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        We're done.
                                         
    
                                        So, um, right, I think it's interval time.
                                         
                                        John, it's been, as, as it was for almost 300 episodes,
                                         
                                        an absolute, uh, absolute delight.
                                         
                                        night to have you on the show.
                                         
                                        Everyone to say goodbye to John.
                                         
                                        Bye everyone.
                                         
                                        I'm a great night.
                                         
                                        John Oliver!
                                         
    
                                        There you go. John Oliver there, who has never been paid to watch cricket.
                                         
                                        What's a loser.
                                         
                                        And being paid to watch cricket explains why I will be in Australia
                                         
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