The Bugle - What a State

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

This week, Andy Zaltzman is joined by Nish Kumar and Sara Barron for a globe-spanning episode of satire, scandal, and despair.💻 Don’t miss our live stream! Join us on 26th October for a Bugle you can watch in real time. Tickets available now at thebuglepodcast.com.🇺🇸 In the US, late-night comedy takes a hit as Jimmy Kimmel gets cancelled—we unpack what it says about culture, politics, and the endless churn of outrage.🇬🇧 Across the pond, Donald Trump visits the UK, oh please.🇵🇸 And Palestine, what a state.🎧 Support The Bugle! Subscribe for bonus episodes, exclusive videos, and smug satisfaction: thebuglepodcast.comProduced by Chris Skinner and Laura Turner. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Bugle! Audio Newspaper for a visual world. Hello, buglers, and welcome to issue 4,353 of the bugle. Still, the world's most reliably unreliable, weekly news-based historical record of the fumbling craptitude that is the human race's efforts to make it through yet another millennium without the entire planet having to be written off as a bot's job and sold for scrap. I'm Andy Zaltzman and like everyone else in the United Kingdom. I too failed to win gold at the World Athletics Championships over the past week in a bit. Although I failed to do so, way more convincingly than most, not even close. Joining me today here in the very heart of London, just around the

corner from where loads of stuff happened probably over the last, I don't know, ages. Two people chosen by God to be the, sorry, chosen by me to be on the bugle this week. Nish Kumar and Sarah Barron. Hello to both. You have never grasped. what the phrase God's chosen people are supposed to refer to. You have simply never grasped it. In between mouthfuls of bacon, you have failed to grasp the central idea

of what God's chosen people. It doesn't just mean people you hang out with, Andrew. That's how it started. Has anyone... Andy, has anyone ever accused you of having a God complex? And the reason I'm asking is because you seem like

a rare breed in the entertainment field where you maybe don't... Like, Nish, I think you have a bit of a god complex. Well, I have an ability to accurately recognize my own importance. His own godlike talents. But you seem like a humble man. Right. And I'm wondering, has anyone ever accused you of being otherwise? Accused me of not being humble. Yeah. Like, have you ever been accused of being a prick? Undoubtedly. I mean, I had an entire room full of people accusing me at the Manchester Comedy Store. Congratulations. Back in the day. What a fun memory that must have been.

Yeah, it was great. But I don't think they viewed me as a god. A prick or unfunny to them? Well, I mean, potato, potato. Sure. Sure. This is my first time in the new bugle studio. Oh, yes, yeah. What's going on?

It's too swish. There's cameras everywhere. Yeah, well, you know, niche, the bugle is, as buglers will know, almost 18 years old and you can buy tickets to our 18th birthday lifestyle on the 26th of October via the buglepodcast.com. One of the contributors, John Oliver, I believe is his name. He's probably going to be appearing on that live by a satellite link up from a federal prison. Yes, I believe we have reached some sort of plea deal whereby he will be allowed a camera. Oh, God.

So, yes, anyway, Nish and Alice will be appearing, as will John, via the wonders of the transatlantic. yoghobot, pot and strings. It's going to be like Johnny Cash at Falsam. But more so. At least Johnny Cash was allowed to go home, I mean.

Live from an El Salvadorian gulag. John Oliver. Funny because it's true. So, yeah, and I remember the days, not only when all this was fields in terms of the building

that were in, just near Hoban in London, but also when podcasts were an audio medium. You know, I mean, the amount of time it takes me to do my hair and makeup just to record a podcast these days, so it's astonishing. It took me absolutely hours to white up and then take the white face paint off. That's just something I do to get myself right for the podcast.

Anyway, welcome. Welcome to both of you. To these, well, extremely high-tech news studios. It's got two chairs that we don't, two quite comfy-looking chairs that we're not. We're not sat in. I mean, that's where the swish stuff happens. This is where... This is old school. Our podcast sort of like dogs in that way.

It's like you have an 18 year old podcast, which is essentially like having like a 102 year old dog. Yeah, it's pod years. So they like put you in this kind of like shitty corner. Yes. And that's for like the 21 year olds. Mark Marron's just had a vet telling him he's got to put his podcast down. I think that's how old that podcast is.

Yeah, but then my, my son. sisters answer me this has come back from the dead. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Obviously she's you've got that Jewish card to play and then just crop up every now and again. Anyway, what are we talking about? Yes, the 22nd of September

2025. On this day in 1896, Queen Victoria beat her granddad, George III. The man that much of the USA now looks back on fondly as a harmless dude just trying to wear her living as a good old fashion king. She overtook him

was the longest reigning monarch in British history, but it didn't last forever. Victoria, of course, later overtaken by Elizabeth II on the 9th of September 2015. That was the last recorded instance of Elizabeth I second doing her trademark celebratory backflip, bird flip and crown-twizzle maneuver. But could modern technology enable Victoria to win back her title?

She needs just seven years back on the throne to reclaim TopSpot, and royalologists have claimed this week that using some DNA from a pair of Victoria's yoga pants plus a bit of an existing member of the Royal Family humanely extracted in a special ceremony and some vials of hormone-type stuff left over from the 1980s East German State Athletics Doping Program

Queen Victoria could be re-grown in a laboratory and using AI giving the ability to talk. Will it happen? Watch this, what, listen to this space. What did you hear in that space? Was it a no? That's disappointing. God, it's been a while

It's been a while and it feels good to be back in the chair I haven't bugled for a while And I feel that I've had bugle blue balls And now I'm just getting hot jets of bullshit Jizzed all over my face Family show Family show Of course, bugle blue balls are worth five points each

As always a section of the bugle is going straight in the bin And on the subject of of blue, Neptune, which is kind of blue, isn't it? Oh. Well, hang on a second. Do we call it the blue planet? No, that's us, isn't that? That's us.

We are the blue planet. It's kind of blue. Anyway, Neptune was discovered on the 23rd of September 1846. That is just 179 short years ago. The giant bauble of gas masquerading as a planet that despite being 57 times the size of Earth has never produced an Oscar-winning film, a grand slam winning tennis player or a decent sausage.

It's the solar system's fourth biggest planet just off the podium for now, at least in size. But picking up a bronze for mass, some consolation as it slowly toddled around the sun of a rate of one orbit every 165 years or so. No fucking birthday for you on Neptune. And if you're lucky, maximum one Christmas per lifetime. It was, well, when was it discovered?

The 17th century physics-celeb, sky-obsessive science won and all-round megaboff in Galileo, Galileo, had observed Neptune. Science Wong is a new one. He apparently had observed Neptune but had written it off as quotes Just Another Friving Star Twinkling and doing soddle

But in 1846 The French astronomer Urbin Le Verrier Predicted where Neptune would be Based on some physics He'd been tinkling around with And stuff like that His German pal

Johann Gottfried Gola confirmed the Frenchman's prediction And labelled it Look, it's another fucking planet At which point Team GB announced That Britain's John Couch Adams Had already discovered it using similarly impressive scientific wizardry

and this of course before they could have just asked AI, does Neptune exist and if so where it is? The squabblings and arguments over exactly which astronomer and which country deserves the credit for discovering Neptune continued for not one, not two but almost 150 years into the 21st century

which just goes to, beyond 150 years, which just goes to show the first law of human existence for every piece of genius there is an equal and opposite piece of competitive idiocy So to mark the 179th anniversary of the discovery of Neptune We have two Neptune facts for you One, if you chop Neptune into 57 earth-sized chunks You would die

And if Neptune was where our moon is The Earth would spin 48 times faster Each day would be 30 minutes long And the sea would fly off into space Wow Those are both facts Facts Near enough

I know you played so fast and loose with that stuff Andy has been playing it fast and loose with the bugle for nearly 18 years This man is this man is allergic to facts Oh allergic, addicted It's sometimes hard to tell the difference Definitely shouldn't be Listen I understand that that's a central plank of our FK's plan for American healthcare It's to treat addiction and allergies as exactly the same

You're going to have people with drug addictions rubbing E-45 cream on their mouths. Yeah? Well, I mean, it's not been proved not to work, is it? Unless you believe the scientists. Top story this week. Donald Trump has been to the UK, and thankfully, he's f***ed off again. With all due respect to the holder of the title of President of the United States of America, He visited us last week, and when I say visited us, he had absolutely no interaction with the public whatsoever, which was a rare instance of a level of self-awareness, I think, from Trump to realize that maybe, probably best he didn't speak to anyone here.

Knew that he wouldn't be treated as kindly as he would be by Starrner. Yes, yes. I mean, Starmour is very good. For all his flaws as a prime minister, he has proved very good at. obsequiously crawling up to the President of the United States of America for the good of the nation. Can any part of either of you respect that or are you exclusively repulsed by that skill set

and or surprised by how good he's been at it? I don't think any of those are mutually exclusive. Okay, okay, okay. That's a British way. I know you're relatively new around these parts and you've only lived there for, what, 15, 20 years, isn't it? Still picking up on it. Disgust and admiration, living side.

We are, as a nation, impressed by our own disgust. Yeah, yeah. So holding those two emotions concurrently is something that it's an important part of our national psyche is to be impressed by how repulsed we are. I will say that as a student of history, brackets, half of my degree, brackets, I didn't really pay attention to most of my degree. I will say that history has not necessarily looked kindly to British prime ministers that have attempted to. mollify quasi-fascist or full fascist dictators. I mean, I think at the moment

Starva's getting a lot of credit this week for his diplomacy in the way he handled Donald Trump. But, you know, every British Prime Minister is always very close to a Naval Chamberlain. That's the one comparison you do not want to invite.

And there is a slight concern, I think, that maybe, especially with other events happening in parallel in the United States of America, Being friends with Donald Trump might in 15 to 20 years' time not be looked upon kindly, or at least it would do if in 15 to 20 years' time we'd be less worried about the study of history and more worried about fighting over water in the road war. I wish when it was like how short-changed I've been by British hospitality watching all of this. Because when I've had to go visit, and let me say that again, when I've had to go visit my in-laws in North Wales, they make me eat egg and cheese. ships off my knee on the sofa in front of Antiques Road Show. That's all I've ever

gotten to see. Well, to be fair to the British Royal Family they do have a pretty proud tradition of making their daughter-in-laws eat food off the floor. That's at the thin end of the wedge. Do me a favour. Don't get in a car in Paris any time soon. Oh my God. Moving on.

Don't you dare censor me. of all weeks? I mean, so let's start with the big banquet and all the Trump staying over at Windsor Castle. In fact, rumors that Trump was found in the crypt of Windsor Castle dry-humping the tomb of Queen Charlotte,

the wife of George III, who sadly passed away in 1818, have neither been confirmed nor, interestingly, denied. But, and it wasn't quite, I think, what Trump was hoping for because neither Prince Andrew nor Peter Mandelson and were able to attend.

So it wasn't quite the lad's going to be a lad's reunion. The president was dreaming of. But he seemed to have a lovely time nonetheless. But there were sort of moments where, you know, in the etiquette, and obviously we're an etiquette-obsessed nation here. And, you know, at the state banquet,

you know, there was some sort of awkward moments. So... Well, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Nish and I have eaten together before because I've done a lot of tour of support for him. I don't want to brag, but I've eaten with 100% of the people involved. at this point.

Okay, okay. Andy, you and I have never had the pleasure. I'm like a little pig. So I feel very self-conscious as an American because I cannot use my fork in my left hand. Right. So I'm the kind of person that I'm the American that British people make fun of.

Right. So I'm not going to say I have any. Yeah, so I put my fork here. I think that's just called being left-handed Because that's how, I mean, I also. It's called being a pig. Like, I'm a little fucking pig. Have you never noticed that when we eat, like, I'll be honest with you.

I also have my fork in the right hand, and I'm often covered in. You're not the neatest of men. You're not the neatest of men either. So I liked, I was, and I'm smarter than Trump. So where do you have your knife, in the left hand? Or like, I, I, how do I cut? No, so I take my fork, left hand to cut, but then I cannot stab my food and use my left hand. So then once it's cut, I have to go right hand to stab.

Right. And eat. Okay. And then I can't, like, do the knife and fork thing to scoop. So then I just, like, sort of use my finger. I'm a pig. Okay. So I'm not going to be forced into saying I have any sympathy for Trump on anything, including cutlery etiquette.

Yep. But I do like picturing them trying to offer him a little lesson as a pig like me in advance, being like, you can use the rounded knife for fish, the serrated spoon for grapefruit. and the tiny fork to make your horrible hands look very busy. Also, I wrote a couple of really, really, really dated jokes. Oh, that's fine. Would you guys mind if I just tried them really fast and see what you think? Okay. Listen, the one thing this podcast will never stop people from doing is doing jokes that don't work anywhere else.

Yeah, so do you mind? So I just want to try on a whole new persona for myself here. Go for it. Okay. Hey. Hello. Hey, guys. Hey, the amount of ornate table decorations was ridiculous.

Think of the clear-up. Those royal servants had to remove more gold than Mr. T going through airport security. Okay, and then what about this one? What were the royal chef? I'm only, this is the only two for the whole podcast. What were those royal chefs thinking of? Serving such fancy food to a guy with an unrefined palate? You might as well serve Viagra to John Wayne Bobbitt.

Oh. That's one, I mean, you laid your cards on the table and you... I just wanted to get them out of my system. Because I was like, you guys are so nice. I did write them and you will laugh at them. So I just thought, let's give them a guy. We've not had a bobbett joke on the bugle for quite a long time. Well, that's because it's not the most timely thing that's ever occurred to me.

As opposed to Mr. T, who remains always in the news. He's always relevant. he should come up more he's one of the very few icons that spans all three millennia so far in terms of the etiquette if any of you buglers find yourself at a royal state banquet

when a convicted fraudster and sex pest asks if he can try your crown on politely decline and distract him by offering to show him your family's collection of Tiger Pelt S&M kit when a visiting president said something that patently contradicts what he clearly actually believes

based on the things he said and done over the course of his career and life, resist the temptation to mutter, bullshit, and instead congratulate on adopting the traditional British code of language and communication. Do not fill an awkward conversational hiatus by saying, I've got a friend who's half human, half pumpkin too, and try to convey the message,

keep your hands where I can see them at all times through facial expressions and body language, rather than by shouting it out loud and causing a diplomatic incident. so important because it wasn't just about the patentry niche huge trade deals flying around

massive trade deals absolutely massive trade deals we think this could this could really turn things around for this country it's not really clear how that's going to happen but a lot of the trade deals seem to have involved

a massive trade deal with Microsoft which I now think involves the king having to officially have sex with the Microsoft paperclip I think that was part of the horse trading I think that was part of the horse trading in order to secure that Microsoft investment

King Charles has had to absolutely go to town on the animated paperclip that in the 1990s would appear and ask you if he needed help writing a letter You're saying he wants to be the tampon up inside the paper Do you remember about the tampon?

I do, I've just I mean we've had that Microsoft papercliff we've had we've had Bobbitt and Mr. T's You're saying, Sarah, I'm not quite bringing the... I just feel like there are a few things that should never be forgotten about. And that tampon thing is one of them. And the other was about...

That's how I learned what tampon was. Well, not all of us had that luxury niche. And then the other thing that I think can never be brought up enough is when Cheryl Cole punched that bathroom attendant. Yes. I just feel like just never forget that those two iconic bits of British history are. Those who are ignorant of history are condemned to repeat its mistakes. Exactly. He's not the only student of history that you're having on the podcast.

today, okay. So, 150 billion pounds worth of trade deal was the figure. And, you know, I've not looked at the details because when I heard the figure was 150 billion pounds under the first law of business, detail schmeetails. That's all accounts, isn't it? That works out at just over £2,000 each for everyone in the country. No doubt, as of all such things, society as a whole, will be absolutely drenched with the trickle-down benefits of this investment.

It could create, I was reading, 7,600. jobs. That's not enough jobs. I know, it's just under 20 million pounds each per job. Which is, you know, I mean, that's what, that's what you get for one of your, you know, for taking down a, taking down your latest

TV station. That was my quibby yield. So, but, you know, how much do we trust these trade? A lot of it was involved there was regarding AI technology and and data storage. And as the old saying goes, beware the geeks, even bearing gifts.

And I'm just not sure we should entirely trust big tech. I mean, this doesn't so much come with strings attached as, well, it's going to have us jiggling around like a dancing marionette for the foreseeable future, to be honest. So it's hard to say, you know, the exact long-term impacts and benefits or drawbacks and disbenefits of this deal. And as the old saying goes, there's many a slip between cup and lip, and there are even more slips between headline tech-based trade deals. and actual benefit to society. And the tech sector has proved about as reliable

a partner in recent history as a suspiciously wolfy-looking grandmother in a woodland cottage wearing a proud-to-be-a-wolf t-shirt with a granny-ish-looking wisp of grey hair dangling from the side of its still slavering mouth saying, did you bring any mustard with you? I think you'll taste best with mustard.

So, yeah, I mean, the AI data, well, the kind of AI side of it, Obviously, Nish, you're the Buegel's AI correspondent. Yes, yes, yes. And so is it that really we might as well make a little bit of money on the side whilst welcoming in the technology that will render all human life obsolete by, I'm going to guess, August 2027 just after the end of the Ashes series, obviously. Short answer, Andy, yes.

Long answer, Andy, yes. It's time that we just acknowledge that humanity as a species has failed and we give up. And I think as part of this trade deal, we are actually now officially turning the city of Southampton into an AI data centre. I think the whole thing is now just going to be written off and turned it to an enormous data centre. Yeah, it's, listen, with the...

The problem here is that you've got the tech sector, which has historically proved itself to be untrustworthy, and you've got Donald Trump, who is himself consistently proving himself to be untrustworthy. So the big upshot of this week of Starma, essentially sacrifices his dignity at the altar of offering a second state visit to Donald Trump. The first time that's ever happened in the history of this country is two untrustworthy elements have come together to make us a promise that they almost certainly will not keep.

So it doesn't feel like, it feels like this win might sort of evaporate around Kirstama quite quickly. Right. Do you guys use AI? Well, no, I try, I try, I mean, I almost certainly do sort of, sort of. incidentally but no I'm well I don't trust I don't entirely

trust it yet obviously human intelligence we've given a fair crack to and it's not worked out but whether this is the correct replacement I will say my feelings about AI because whenever you bring up a kind of hostility to AI you're sort of painted as a kind of luddite

and often the example that's brought up is that it's very useful in medical science which I believe is true there are certain AI languages that can spot cancers and can actually sift through data much faster for doctors. Fantastic. You know what else is a fantastic tool

for medical science? An x-ray machine. Fantastic tool. I don't need a fucking x-ray machine in my house. I don't need an x-ray machine to look inside my bag and see if I've packed my football boots. If anything, that's going to add time

to my day that I don't have. Not all tools need to be useful for absolutely everybody. Right. Because, I mean, I have a full x-ray scanner on the way into my head. Yeah, and I told you that it makes me uncomfortable that you make me walk through it every time I enter your house. I'm not going through airport security. I'm just trying to come in to look at some of your cricket memorabilia.

And then do you like to pat him down as well? Yeah, absolutely. The occasional touch to get you through your lack of conversation in the week. Yeah, I mean, that's one way of putting it. So, as well as AI data centres springing up all over the place, this nation is going to be powered it seems by boutique fun-sized pocket nuclear reactors

if I'm reading between the lines of the nuclear deal I want to say reading between the lines I didn't get me on the first line of it we will all have our own personal nuclear reactor by the end of this decade I'm going to get I want like the idea of like a tiny one

like a bonsai tree but for nuclear reactors and then I could like use it to play Chernobyl with Barbies Well, this dream will soon be reality, Sarah. Well, I don't. Why? Why is this necessary? I genuinely, I don't understand. Why? Why do we need? Why do people need tiny nuclear reactors? Well, I guess it's because we need power because without power, the world would stop turning. the world has been powered by petrol I think for the last 10 million years

you tell me this wind stuff isn't working is that what this means does it mean the wind stuff isn't working well the problem with wind power and other forms of renewable energy is they're they're too woke and you know a large part of the population still reads the daily telegraph and the daily mail and the renewable energy doesn't work for those people. Yeah, they switch their lights on and just pure darkness comes out if it's green energy. So there needs to be something with an element of planet destroying risk. Okay. All right.

Otherwise, they will continue to live in literal darkness as well as metaphorical darkness. So that's, I hope I've answered that. It's a compromise deal between the US and the UK, because the US and the UK currently have very little in common in terms of energy and where we get our energy from. So the UK is attempting to decarmonise, carbonise. and Donald Trump is actually weirdly attempting to recarbonise but he's the only person who's trying to work backwards and he was actually, he's actually sort of ordering the revival of coal and I believe I've said, I think I might have said this before on the podcast

but the only excuse for opening a coal mine in 2025 is if your plan is to do it in the north-east of England and your plan is to open the car mine and then immediately close it to stimulate boys' interest in ballet in the region. That is the only conceivable reason for engaging with the coal industry in 2025. In terms of what Trump said, who talked about the special relationship, he said the word special didn't even begin to describe the relationship America has with the UK. If he said special branch, that might have, yeah, for the unsuccessful court case weapon, that might have been more in his wheelhouse. And it's only true that we've not always got on like a house on fire.

particularly when we set the White House on 5th in 1814. But. I like when he boasted that the King of Saudi Arabia recently said that under Trump, the U.S. had become, quote, the hottest country anywhere in the world, which is a bit like hearing that the cover of the latest J.K. Rowling novel has a blur from Graham Linehan. he also suggested Starmer should use the military to control migration given that Trump's most recent experience of the British military is the red arrows

do you think he was suggesting treating migrants to a thrilling multi-colored aerial display he's not particularly liked in this country Trump according to sorry to a break that news yes he's not very he's not hugely popular

there was a you gov poll said that 9% of people in Britain have a positive, said Trump's had a positive impact on this country. 53% said he's had a negative impact, which is well below his target figure of 99%. 27% say he's made no difference

that might hurt him the most. But that leaves 11% who are unable to answer, presumably sitting in a darken shed, snuggling with a cuddly soft toy of Dwight D. Eisenhower. I'm so sorry it's come to this. You know, I had like a series of

gigs, like sort of after the inauguration, where I sort of always thought a safe thing would be like you could say something shitty about Trump or if there was an American, you know, I will start many gigs by seeing if there are other Americans in and then they'd be from Florida or Texas or somewhere. And you could feel like, or I could feel like I could just say a shitty Trump thing. Yeah. And it would be safe and people would be on my side and there'd be no problem. Certainly that worked for you at Canterbury when you opened for me the night after of the election. Oh my god, greatest gig of my life.

Certainly, the audience that came to watch me on tour, were very happy to hear that from an American. And that's what I thought was out there. And then, like, as of January 25th, there were a couple times I got on stage. And I said something, and there was, like, there was palpable pro-Trump energy from British people in the room.

And these people were, like, sandwiched between people who looked like they would be our friends. And I was so traumatized. and I couldn't get the gig back because I don't do what he does and I had nothing that intelligent to say to pull out of my pocket. And also, you don't have the guts,

Sarah, to ruin people's evenings. And that is what I have. Even if I look at these people's faces, I will drive that thing into the ground. He would drive it into the ground. But it did make me love comedy because I was like, this is what's so fucking great about comedy

is that people who are like, go Trump are sat next to people who live in Hackney. And they're coming out for the same entertainment. and I thought, God bless, Standa. They're all coming out for the same thing and they're all going home, disappointed in a different way.

Exactly. God bless the art form. So, well, on the subject of comedy, it's been, well, I mean, comedy has been banned in America, essentially. Jimmy Kimmel, the late-night talk show host, has been taken off air, or is ABC, the channel on,

on which he did his show, phrased it on their own websites. ABC preempts Jimmy Kimmel Live, which I thought was a... I mean, a gloriously weird way of putting it. Yeah, it suggests that ABC have developed minority report technology. And just someone at ABC is sort of sat with gloves on moving things around a screen and then a snooker ball drops down a shoot that says, get rid of Kimmel. Does preempt mean something different in...

in America? No, but can I get a little bit serious here for a second? Like, when I heard the news, I did feel sick to my stomachs. I was like, no, why couldn't have been Jimmy Fallon? And I think, you know, I was just like going on about the art form of stand-up and whatever, so I don't want to be coming across too much in a certain kind of way. But artists have always, always, artists have always been under pressure to flatter those in power, which is why the hunters in cave paintings have always had those enormous cocks.

I genuinely believe comedy. We work in society's last line of defense against fascism. Imagine what could have unfolded in 1930s Germany if they'd banned satirical songs at the Kit Katow. Listen, it's been a bad fucking week for freedom of fucking speech. And I am aware of the fucking irony of this sentence going out in the fucking bugle with half the words bleeped out. But the only fucking reason that these words have been bleeped out

is because Chris is an absolute total... Totally great guy. ABC announced on Wednesday that it was pulling Jimmy Cumbull's late night show indefinitely after he was accused by various right-wing activists of inaccurately describing the politics of the man who shot the right-wing activist Charlie Kirk. The sequence of events is really, really important here, because there's been a lot of conversation, nebulous conversation about freedom of speech.

But the sequence of events is really important to establish. So the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, Brendan Carr, who was appointed by Donald Trump, went on a podcast and said that, I mean, first of all, the very fact that he did this on a podcast is huge news for podcasting. We've absolutely, imagine how much more effective Joseph Goebbels would have been in the podcasting era, doing his pro-Hitler podcasts and saying things. Things like we need an orderly reordering of German society and we need to have people parceled off into jail.

And while we're talking about things being parceled off in nice portions, this week's podcast is brought to you by Hello Fresh. I mean, look, Nish, I take this very personally because obviously the bugle has been going for nearly 18 years and you can join us at our 18th birthday. On the 26th October, live stream tickets available via the website. It does make me feel very much like, the John the Baptist are Brendan Carr's

Jesus Yes! Congratulations. It turns out your grasp of Christianity is even worse than your grasp of Judaism. There's a lot of very bad grasp of Christianity flying around at the moment. Very bad.

But it's interesting, the ABC taking Kimmel off the air following this comment he made about the reaction to the assassination of Charlie Coke, not about Charlie Kirk himself or the act itself. If you want to believe Donald Trump, which admittedly is a pretty big if, Kimmel's taken off air because he was rubbish. Yes.

Trump interpreters. Oh no, they just decided he has no talent after over 20 years on air. I mean, there's also debates over whether the First Amendment Trump's the North Amendment right, which is the freedom to clamp down on other people's freedom of speech, the way that the Second Amendment right to bear arms, boots into touch the second and a half the amendment right not to be shot while going about your daily business. These amendments are very complicated

often contradictory. We'll leave that for the American constitutional academics to clarify. Sorry, I'm just hearing all the American constitutional academics have been sacked. Over here we also had sort of a sort of freedom of speech

related issue in which four people from the led by donkey's organisation were arrested after committing a slightly technical legal offence of using a castle as a projected screen. So they projected onto the wall of Winter Castle before Trump's visit a documentary film about his relationship with Geoffrey Epstein and were arrested under the malicious communications act.

It joins the great modern British tradition of completely spurious and unnecessary arrest. It's a real, one of the very few growth industries in this country. They joined the likes of hundreds of concerned pensioners who've really gone off the concept of genocide. Yeah, we really did a number on a couple of those retired priests. As well as punching people in the balls advocate, Graham Lennon, who, I mean, has said some truly horrific things, but I'm not sure necessarily needed to have five people arrest them. police station. Anyway, my legal consultant

suggests that under the Malicious Communications Act there is as much chance for a successful prosecution for this crime of projecting a documentary film onto the side of a castle as there is of Donald Trump using his power and influence to win that film an Oscar for Best Documentary. To be fair, led by donkeys,

and if you're not familiar with their work, please make yourself familiar with their work. They've done some wonderful things holding the powerful to account through videos and installations and stunts. They have brought this upon themselves. They have habitually communicated using malicious tools such as public domain video footage,

people's own words that they've said out loud in public and facts. So you can see why the police were on to them. The police said the four adults that have been arrested was because of an unauthorised projection at Windsor Castle which they described as a public stunt. Now, given that, as we've already said, Kirstama had invited Donald Trump for a second state visit,

which he absolutely did not have to fucking do to have trade talks with him. No one else has ever been invited for two state visits in history. I don't think we can get into the business of arresting people for engaging in activity that is fundamentally more performative

than it is anything else. I think Kirstarmer is eventually going to have to arrest himself, which I weirdly think he would be fine with. What a first thing. they come for led by donkeys of cervix projections. But then they come for that guy who tweets Photoshop's by Nasal Farage and Kim Jong-un with Phil Mitchell outside of Weather Spoons.

And then they come for Martin Parr's garish but grotesque depictions of the British class system. Don't worry, guys. It won't be long until Banksy skewers the situation with a scathing painting on a bus shelter. It was interesting, I mean, in terms of malicious communication, it was unclear how led by donkeys' documentary about Donald Trump's decades-long relationship with notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

was malicious communications. But Elon Musk, appearing on a video screen in front of tens of thousands of people at a rally calling essentially for civil war on the streets, did not. That's not malicious communication. I don't know the legal niceties of that. Andy, if I may quote Plato, what's better than a single standard, a double standard? I think that was Plato. It was either Plato or it was John Lennon.

I think it was one of those two. It was one of those two. A quick bit of other news. King Charles, as well as desperately trying to think of other things whilst talking to Donald Trump, no doubt, has apparently made quite a bit of money from Oh my God

As a result of HS2 This is so I've Not one of these Americans Who's ever given a shit About the monarchy I think it's embarrassing For you guys I think that any fun

That any British person Would ever make Of any other country Where people are like Worshipping Gods and Kings That think that they are In any way different You guys are

It's humiliating I prefer Britain I've elected to live here I think it's basically Better than America But holy shit You humiliate yourselves with this stuff. And so the idea that this is a story, it's like you guys are happy

for the royal family to have unimaginable wealth and ride around in solid gold carriages, but only if it's deducted directly from your wages. When I read this, like, I don't know too much about it, frankly, until I'm like, okay, what's going on here? And then I cannot believe it's real and that like shops aren't being broken into every fucking day it's so disgusting and crazy to me

well I mean it's the thing is Sarah you probably don't understand as an American quite how difficult it is to give up our national addiction to medieval feudalism

yeah we're weaning ourselves off it but it's got to be done over several hundred maybe thousands of years yeah you can't go cold turkey off an addiction to feudalism

you can't you just we wouldn't what we were doing. If we went cold turkey off our addiction to feudalism, we'd be shivering in a room in an addiction centre, throwing up, sweating. I mean, all of my information on going cold turkey is from biopics of rock musicians. So it's possible that none of that is accurate. I mean, the story was about Charles's property estate making more than a million pounds from the sale of lands linked to a leg of the HS2 railway system that will now no longer be built. The Duchy of Lancaster made this money from land around crew,

and you don't need to be a rocket geographer to know the crew is not in Lancashire. And this Dutch of Lancaster is really reaching beyond its beyond where it should on a map. This is a real question. Do you think that King Charles has any idea how much money he made from it? No. He must have no clue, right? Well, he's probably, you know, I don't know. I mean, he's probably got train sets that cost more than a million pounds.

I do find these stories truly embarrassing. Like when they get out, it is embarrassing to me that people from outside of the United Kingdom find out about the details of this. It's the Dutchie enjoys a special status as a crown body. because so it means it's exempt from corporation tax and capital gains tax and he didn't have to pay inheritance tax on it when it was passed to him after his mother was murdered by Boris Johnson. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, I think we're covered by allegedly.

It generated an income last year of 26.5 million pounds and it's understood, according to the Guardian newspaper, that the King voluntarily paid some income tax on this dividend, but he is not obliged to disclose how much. So he's already making sweet, sweet coin. He's already making, I don't really know how to say this in a better way, he's already making sweet, sweet, sweet his own face. He's already making loads of paper with his own face on it from this,

and now he's made even more paper with his own face on it from selling that land to, the country for the leg of the railway line that is no longer happening. Let's lighten the mood a bit now. Middle East news. Kirsteim very cleverly waited until

Donald Trump was safely back on the correct side of the Atlantic before announcing that the UK alongside Canada, Australia and Portugal and various other countries are recognising the Palestinian state this has not gone down particularly well with the

Netanyahu regime in Israel who still I think it's fair to say not on board with the two state solution I mean that is you might have just one understatement of the millennium there and it now clearly as whenever we talk about this this is a situation of infinite complexity layers upon layers

of historical complication and political detritus it's an eternal salad of resentment slathered in the corrosive oesophagus strafing vinegrette of religious implacability sprinkled with the digestively explosive croutons of recurrent historical failures and the efforts to reconstitute the roadmap to peace

after it was fed through a cross-cut shredder mulched down into slot baked into a cookie fed to a donkey and crapped down a well have remained thus far unsuccessful but I mean Hamas of celebrating it as a victory of course they would it doesn't mean it's an actual victory

Hamas's judgment on such things it's not necessarily the most reliable and I think it's fair to say they're not I don't know what their KPI's are as an organisation but if their goal was to bring death, destruction, poverty and starvation and persecution and homelessness and the prospect of decades of misery upon their own people

they've been unusually successful political organisation, fair play to them in the same way that if Netanyahu's goals were to ensure that people in Israel could never sleep easily in their beds for the next hundred years I think he's done that very well as well I think weirdly that is one of a specific I think it's that at number one

and number two avoid Joe Avoid jail. In terms of the two-state solution, look, people are being allowed a homeland to live in. It's something that I've grown up to be quite a fan of. It might be something to do with my Jewish heritage. I'm not sure. But anyway, look, like I said, it's complicated. It's like, Starmer, like, waiting to do it.

Like, the strategy is, I'll do it, but not till Trump's gone. I will say that is an accurate reflection of Donald Trump's attention span. But I was genuinely, I was like, I genuinely think Starmer was thinking like, oh, Trump's not going to notice. Like, he won't bother within the international news. He just skims the paper for his own name. Yeah, he's got Google alerts. His only Google alert is Donald Trump and Donald Trump penis big. He's not going to spot that the UK recognized a Palestinian state.

Thank you for having me, Prime Minister. Any plans for the weekend? No, just a quiet one. Maybe park run tomorrow. Brunch on Sunday. Definitely no legally enshrining any statehoods. Not going to do that. It's unclear as yet whether the move by Britain, Australia and Canada will cause Benjamin Netanyahu belatedly to come to his senses.

With this, something we've tracked for quite a long time. Now, nothing really seems to be changing as mine. Not even repeated lampooning. His brutal assault on Gaza has continued alongside the attack on Qatar as well as within the space of a week strikes on Lebanon and Yemen at Gaza Blan aid. Lottila and Tunisia, Narnia, ancient Babylon, never forget, and some penguins were looking at them a bit funny in Antarctica. So, I mean, win over international opinion doesn't seem to be on the Netanyahu to-do list. No, and safely say that. And they've justified the bobbing of Narnia by saying that Mr. Tumnus was an agent for Hamas.

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