The Bulwark Podcast - Angie Nixon: People Power

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Florida's Democratic nominee for the Senate says average Americans right now are living in the dreams of oligarchs and the super-rich, and it's time for regular people to live their own dreams. The progressive maverick promises to fight to help all Floridians—regardless of party—to be healthy, prosperous, and safe. And while Republicans like to point out Nixon's DSA affiliation, the Trump administration itself is acting socialist, while also sending immigrants back to countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Plus: Nixon weighs in on Vance's racist dog whistle, and Tim praises Troy Jackson's debate performance against Susan Collins—who seemed out of touch and was forced to play defense over Trump, the war, and the stupid tariffs.Angie Nixon joins Tim Miller.show notes: Angie’s campaign site October Surprise: The Bulwark is 30% off Upcoming Bulwark LIVE shows, including Atlanta on Oct. 20 Closing Song: The War on Drugs - “Suffering” The Bulwark’s campaign to help the Haitian community of Springfield The Bulwark store Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/BULWARK anduse promo code BULWARK at checkout For their buy 1 get 1 50% off deal, head to 3DayBlinds.com/THEBULWARK

Welcome to the Bullwark Daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. We're in debate season. And so at the end of today's interview, stick around because I want to talk about some highlights from the Susan Collins, Troy Jackson debate up there in Maine. But up first, she's the buzzy candidate at the moment. She's the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Florida. It's Angie Nixon. Hey, Angie, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I'm excited to be here too because my first question is, where did you come from exactly? You know, some of us who watch national politics, you are not really on my radar. Some of my Florida friends told me I was sleeping on you, but give us a little bit of the backstory. You kind of came up out of nowhere in the last few weeks of that primary and ended up being the nominee, and now you're all over my social media feet. So what's your backstory?

So yeah, so my backstory is I'm born and raised in Florida, Jacksonville, and this drawl comes from my parents who were born in Southern Georgia. But I also am a former union organizer. I'm a community organizer. I've been organizing all across the state for nearly two decades here. I actually also ran the largest statewide alignment group that built power within black and brown and working families in those communities. and been a state lawmaker for the past six years, a former aide for a state representative.

I've just been really embedded in Florida politics and Florida movement work and just the community overall. And you got into that Senate race. I think a lot of folks thought, you know, a friend of the program, Alex Vindman, you know, had a lot of national attention. Like, what was kind of your rationale for jumping in the race, your theory of the case? Yeah, so I actually traveled across the state of Florida before I made the decision to jump in the race. I asked people what I should do next. And I asked them, do they want me to stay in the statehouse seat? Did they want me to run for governor?

Did they want me to run for Senate? Do they want me to run for a congressional seat? And so I traveled across the state. And I had really hard conversations with people. And what I learned was that Floridians just couldn't keep waiting for things to get better. someday. And so they asked me, a lot of folks requested that I run for U.S. Senate because they felt the need for us to send someone who is going to do more than send strongly worded emails to Washington, D.C. And that is why I ran. That is why I made that decision. I believe that right now

in this moment, we are boldly being attacked. And so this moment requires a bold, unapologetic fighter for hardworking people and those who have retired, who is not going to sell out to special interest groups or, you know, big, big business and who's really going to center people first. I like that Florida message. It's not just working people. It's retirees too. We got to make sure the retirees are seen, you know? I got, listen, Tim, I was called out about continuing to say that, and they were like, uh-uh, no, what about retirees? And I said, you were exactly right. The villages.

You were getting some letters from the villages, weren't you? You know, just a little, just a little. But as retirees. Have you been up there? Have you been up there? Oh, my gosh. I've been to the villages quite a bit. They love me there.

And that's because I'm speaking to, yeah, I'm speaking about not ending their social securities. We want to make sure that the social security system remains solvent. And Ashley Moody and definitely Rick Scott. they want to cut it. I mean, Rick Scott was talking about people needing to go back to work and just absolutely absurd. And so they love me in the villages.

Well, there's one place where they don't love you, and that is in the vice president's residence. And our vice president was campaigning down there. I guess you've definitely got their attention if they're campaigning in Florida. Like a year ago, they would have assumed Florida was going to be an easy win for them. But he was campaigning there, and I want to play a little video of him. Now, it's a live fight.

to say it right here in the state of Florida. As reasonable and rational and freedom-loving as this state is, you've got some real choice Democrats running in the state of Florida. Look no further than Angie Nixon, the self-described. It's almost too easy to make fun of her. The self-described socialist that the Democrats put up against Ashley Moody this fall. When Angie Nixon calls herself a socialist, I think the right response is to say, then get the hell out of here.

You don't belong in America if those are your views. Get the hell out of here. What do you think about that? You know, it's something that, unfortunately, I'm used to living in the South, hearing just racist dog whistles and things like that. But look, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the views that I have. Those views are the same views that many Floridians have, which are that they deserve access.

the quality health care. They deserve access to affordable housing. Their children and grandchildren deserve access to fully funded public schools that are going to ensure that they don't get diverted to the school to prison pipeline. There's a lot of disinformation that's being spread about me. Folks are saying I want to defund the police

and I want to abolish prisons. Why would I want to do that when I want Ashley Moody locked up for stealing $10 million from sick kids from the Medicaid program. Not only did she steal $10 million, they diverted and misappropriated, but really stole money from the Medicaid program and moved that over to a political slush fund that was led by Rhonda Santis's now Attorney General, and they used that to take part in political interference.

Like they were breaking the law and interfering in two ballot initiatives that would have won. They used that money to purchase ads, similar to what we're seeing right now with Donald Trump purchasing ads with taxpayer money. And they defeated the ability for a woman to have her right to choose without political interference. And they defeated recreational marijuana. And so her reward for doing that was this appointment to this United States Senate seat. And it's just very disgusting. For people who haven't followed it that closely, what was her role in that exactly? She signed off on allowing the money to be moved and diverted.

She did not stop them. She did not say this was not illegal, anything like that. But now everyone is saying, oh, we don't know who actually said, go ahead and do this and started it. Every, all the lawyers just don't remember anything. Yeah. They don't remember anything. What was her role at that time? She was the attorney general for the state of Florida.

And now she has become, yeah. Everybody's just kind of pointing at each other. Exactly. It was, it was this person. It was this person. It was this. And it's like, absolutely not. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the Spider-Man, the Spider-Man, me, you know? Yeah. And so it's just, it's really disturbing. J.D. said you're easy to make fun of, though. I think that's kind of interesting. coming from him. I don't know. I don't know if you're the type of person likes to make fun of people, but he's easy to make fun of.

I don't like to make fun of people. You know, I love to give people their flowers, and I do not like any of the policies that he's pushing, but I do want to get the eyeliner recommendation because his eyes are beautiful. They pop with it. But other than that, again, this is not, this is, that was a distraction. They want to distract against their failed policies. Ashley Moody voted to end health. care for over 440,000 people here in the state of Florida. Ashley Moody has continued to allow insurance companies to deny claims and that type of stuff while she was the attorney general.

And even now, she's voting against holding insurance companies accountable because she receives campaign donations from insurance executives. She also trades insurance stocks. She's sitting on certain committees where she could possibly have insider stock trading information and like she's getting richer. Her and Donald Trump's net worth continues to grow while they are in office, but they're working less and less and less.

And what's frustrating is that everyone else on the outside, the hardworking people or the folks that are retired, like working harder than ever, but they're still struggling just to get ahead. And people are so frustrated and turned off by that. The eyes are popping even more with the OZempec lately from JD. You know, the thing about that, I'm sorry just to kind of stick on it, but it's like you should be out of the country.

Like we should kick them out of the country. Like obviously at some level it's just kind of this stupid political rhetoric. But at the other level, like they're running mass deportation campaigns. There are people around them say they want to deport 100 million people. We don't have 100 million people undocumented immigrants. And it's just blatant, like, white nationalism. Absolutely. What it is, you know?

I mean, he was not making that joke about David Jolly for a reason. And, like, that's got a grade on you a little bit, no? Yeah. And, you know, I mean, again, I grew up in the South. And so it's not something that I haven't heard before. But what is important to highlight is that, you know, they make claims about me being a communist and supporting communist regime.

but they decide to deport Cubans back to Cuba. Then they talk trash about Venezuela, and they deport Venezuelans back. They remove their TPS status. And then Ashley Moody has said absolutely nothing about Donald Trump cozing up to the leader of North Korea or the leader of Russia. and so it is absolutely absurd. And, you know, it's racist.

It's racist. It is misogynistic, a lot of the things that they're saying and how they're attacking me. But look, we knew that was going to happen. And so we're going to continue to go out, to talk to people and spread the message that it doesn't have to be this way. We can actually start electing people

who are going to put people over politics, people over profit, over party. And I am that person and I have a proven track record of doing so. I mean, they do seem to be the communist to me. I mean, they're the ones with the masked police in the streets, secret police going after people. And they replaced one communist with another in Venezuela. Right. The weaponizing of ICE and agencies, shooting people in the streets without any accountability, no consequence. Then, you know, they're also just, again, stealing our money to runs propaganda, going after political opponents.

Rod the Sanchez had me arrested because I wanted to have a conversation with him about passing illegal and unconstitutional maps. And that is what we are continually up against here in the state of Florida and this country. But really here in the state of Florida, this is like ground zero of really bad bills and policies and the attack on woke, the anti-D-EI stuff. that originated here in the state of Florida under Rhonda Santis and Ashley Moody. And now what it has happened, I was at a disability form the other day. And those folks are hurting because the attack on DEI, though they wanted it to just seem as though it was attacking black people,

it actually harmed a lot of folks who are living with disabilities. because now people can, they're not supposed to be able to deny them, but folks are like can deny certain things to them based on some of the cuts. Obviously, you know, he's obnoxious and gross in the way that he's doing the attacks. But I wanted to take the kind of criticism of the DSA in Florida about, you know, how there are a lot of people that have left the regimes you mentioned, Cuba and Venezuela, who've left socialist regimes, come to America, immigrated here. They don't want to kind of bring that style of politics here.

What do you say to somebody like that who has a good faith concern about that, maybe somebody in the Cuban community there in Florida? What I would say is that, you know, they should look at who I am and what I stand for. And also, they should know that the reason I joined DSA is because they are fighting to ensure people have access to quality health care. They want massive immigration reform, though we don't always agree in the way in which we want that. They also want people to have access to affordable housing, fully funded public schools, pushing for early childhood education to be free, free college. And so what they want to do is make sure that regular people, like those folks who are concerned with rising dictators, they want them to have the power. And they want them to be making the decisions.

they want the policies to come from them, not just these oligarchs, these rich people, these billionaires and these corrupt corporations, they want regular everyday people to get to decide what their communities look like and what their economies look like. And so that is the reason that I joined the organization. Now, do I agree with 100% of what they agree with

and the national platform that they rolled out after I actually had joined? No, but I don't agree with everything. that the Democrats rolled out and they, you know, with their platforms all the time either. No one is 100% in agreement with any organization that they join. So you're not a big Fidel Castro fan? Like you're not, you don't have a David Chay poster in your... No. And also, like, there wasn't all of them, right?

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in Hungary, for example, there's this big United for Hungary coalition that took people that were like really conservative and like really far like more conservative than David and more left than you and kind of joined together against against Orban. And I'm just kind of wondering like how you sort of think about like that big coalition and running with David. First of all, again, as the former executive director of the largest statewide progressive coalition and movement, organization, like, I understand the need to be a real big tent and to build diverse coalitions, and I understand the power in that. And that's what I'm doing here with, with David. And yes, we're going to, we are, we've campaigned in places together and we're going to continue to do so, but we're also, we, Florida is a really big state town. It's 67 counties in this state. Shout out to the Gen Z that may be watching the show, you know, got to

Yeah. Got to get that GMZ votes. Hold on. But no, it's a huge state. And so we need to spread out and spread the good news about this cool, diverse ticket that is representative of everyone here in the state of Florida. And that is going to, again, put people first. And so I'm excited about it. I don't know if you know this about me, but back in the before times, you know, before Donald Trump changed everything.

And I worked for Jeb Bush. and, you know, Jeb always was, like, more conservative than me, and, you know, does not like Donald Trump, does not like some of the things we've been talking about from the corruption, from the authoritarianism standpoint. But he's still a conservative guy. And, you know, to win a state like Florida, you're going to have to figure out how to win Trump voters, not saying that he was, but you're not to win conservative voters. And so I'm kind of like wondering, what is your message to somebody like Jeb? Somebody that's conservative has concerns about the way Donald Trump. running the country, but also maybe feels like you're going to be too far left for them. Yeah, what I tell folks is that they should want a U.S. senator who's going to be accessible, ethical, and someone that they can trust. Ashley Moody is someone who won't even have in-person town hall meetings. She won't even take, you know, respond to phone calls or emails from constituents unless they are, like, you know, maybe have donated on her campaign or they have a huge group to be

behind them. And so we need someone who is going to not only push policies, but who's also going to have a good constituency services and connect people to the resources and agencies and departments that they need when times are hard. If they like, oftentimes people reach out to our offices because we're their last resort. And you want an elected official whose office is able to kind of navigate that bureaucratic mess and cut through the minutia and, like, give people what they need. But also in terms of policies, look, I want people, all people to be able to have the opportunity to be healthy, prosperous, and safe. I want small business owners to be able to stay in business because there's a lot more people with disposable income that can go shop with them.

I want people to be healthy, people who have worked. their entire lives to have Social Security and not have to worry about going back to work, even though they are retired and, you know, they're living out their last days. No one should go bankrupt simply because they can't afford a doctor or they can't afford life-saving medical treatment. And that's what's happening in this moment. And so I can promise folks I'll have an open door. There have been times where I was the only Democrat voting with Republicans. And that is because in the stayhouse, and that is because I really, it's not about party for me. On what? It's not about party for me. It was, there was a bill about like drones or

something, like going over, being allowed to like go over people's properties for surveillance and that type of stuff. And I think it was just me and like a few other Republicans that voted in opposition to that. And it's like, it's different things like that. Like I have, I have broken away from my party a time or two, actually more than a time or two. And that it's because, again, like, I put people first. I think about what it is in my community needs. And I want folks to know that I'm not this extremist. I just want people to be good and have what they need to live a good, good life. I don't want any drones flying over my house either. I don't know. This is where I start to get, you know, I get a little Alex Jonesy sometime. I'm like, why are you all watching me?

I don't know. Where are you having the flop cameras? No, did you? Like, I don't think you knew. I'm not sure if you knew Tim, but, and I think it was, I don't know if it was Palm Beach. Somewhere South Florida, it may be St. Lucie County. There was a, they voted to take the flock cameras down. They took them down and they found 11 more that no one authorized. And so people don't know who owned those where that data. went, I'm a millennial, Tim, an older millennial.

What are you, Tim? What are you? Same. Okay. We grew up on Terminator, Minority Report, Enemy of the State, and I'm like, I'm watching in real time some of the stuff that we saw in those movies, and it's like, I don't like it. I don't like how this ends. And so I am going to work diligently to put... Enemy of the state's a good poll. That was a sleeper. Right. That was a sleeper.

They were taping Will Smith. They had cameras in his house. I don't know. I don't like any of that. I might have to rewatch enemy to state. Was there any, this is a hard one, okay? You just got to bear it down. But you were up there in the state house.

You know, Meatball Ron DeSantis. Like he had to have a point on something. Were there any things? Were there any policies where you're like, all right. I can work with him on this one. Not really. You know. Possibly, but he was just so bad.

Yeah, it wasn't good. He was so bad. I know I can agree with him on one thing recently. He slammed Palm Beach County Republicans for endorsing a pedophile by the name of Mike Caruso. Mike Caruso had gotten arrested for allegations that he has sexually assaulted a child within his family. but this was not like the first allegations. And so I agree with Rhonda Santis on that. What about the permanent daylight savings time down there?

I know. Are you in Trump on the same side of that one? The permanent daylight savings time? I don't know. It's whatever the food. I like the late sunsets. I don't know. I'm worried about people being able to have food on their table and a roof over their head.

That's like, that's what I care about. Well, Angie, I don't know. You're a mother. You're a mother. I get shit on the permanent. savings time because people are like, well, the kids waiting for the bus stop. It's going to be dark. And I was like, I guess, but I'm a dad. My daughter is eight. And I don't know. I like it when she comes home from school that we have time to go shoot hoops or go to the park or go for a bike ride

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I thought I was just watching the interview. So you tell me. I was a single mom with one. And then me and my husband, we came together. And he brought in three. And then we had an Irish baby. Yeah. Okay.

From his first marriage. Yeah. So it's five. How old are they all now? 19. One is going to be 18 at the end of this month. Two 13-year-olds that are twins. And then a six-year-old.

a heckler, a tracker came into my business yesterday or the day before and attempted to catch me up about a wall that had people from the civil rights movement that had gotten arrested and some that had gotten acquitted and that type of thing and some that maintain their innocence even after arrest. And a tracker came and tried to disrupt and I was calming him down, but then it got a little rowdy between him and some other people. in the shop, and you can hear the six-year-old in the background saying, everyone stop arguing, and it was my baby. She said it twice. She's like, but, you know, this is so random. But, you know, I believe that when we name our children, like, we should be really cognizant of what we name them.

I was very intentional about naming her. Her name is Ashanti Jase. Ashanti is like warrior, strong, you know, it's the Ashanti tribe. Africa, but I was intentional about Jace, which is, I pulled it from Jason, and Jason means healer. And I always said that I wanted my daughter to heal the world. And here she is already starting out at an event where Republicans are coming to crash my event, even though I'm trying to help Republicans, right? And she's just like, everyone stop arguing and like bringing peace and trying to heal the issues

that are happening in the moment. Well, you're healer. I like that. That's a good balance. Kids are fun on that. It's people, I mean, it's gross that you have to subject to people of this. But sometimes it's like, I don't know, some lady yelled at me at the airport the other day. And she said the F word at me.

And my daughter was just like, are you sad, Papa? I was like, no? She's like, why? She said such mean things about you. And I was like, it's okay. People can say mean things about you. And you can just be tough. But, you know, it's sometimes kind of hard to, I guess I just wonder, like, how you kind of think about, like, how, you know, that kind of range of 19-year-old to 6-year-old, how that's sort of informing how you're thinking about the challenges we're facing right now.

It is informing everything because my daughter, the 19-year-old, like, she missed very critical moments for socialization during COVID, right? And so I see that impact on her and a lot of her friends or whatever. They are so, they have highs and lows. And I see like they're kind of standoffish at times. And they don't know how to socialize. And then I'm also concerned with just like their outlook on life right now. A lot of them are feeling depressed and as though I asked some the other day. They said it seems as though the gap just keeps getting bigger.

and they don't know if they'll ever be able to catch up and to just breathe and not have to like just continue to work so hard and just never just get a break. Like those are the Gen Zers, right? Some of the younger Gen Zs, but then I see Generation Alpha, like my baby, and she's like, yeah, like we're going to do this. I'm like fearless, like all the things. And it's like, I don't know if that was because I had COVID at the time

when I was pregnant with. and all the things, but it informs everything that I do with in regards to how I show up the type of policies that I'm pushing because I don't want them to be so straddled with like student loan debt. I want them to be able to afford a home. The average age for people to purchase their first home is between 40 and 42. I want parents to be able to not have to stress out about having kids because they can't afford child. care. So that's like why I want to have things like universal child care. And so it informs everything, everything. You said about that Gen Z. John Asoff, it was interesting, created a little controversy the other day. I don't know why it was controversial. But he said, he was talking to a group

of Gen Z's and said that he was telling them that despair is a luxury and like that we don't have the luxury to just be despairing. Like we have, like we have agency and we have to act. Like, what do you think about that? Like, how do you talk to young people who do feed? this kind of despair that things just haven't gotten better. You know, I tell them that it sucks. Like, let's be real. It does. The moment that we're in right now, it sucks.

However, like, let's not just sit in that, right? Like, use that rage and despair as a motivator to fix our situation. and I talk about how the elders, they experienced hardships too and some worse, some to the point where they were literally like going to die for trying to have some of the things that we had

and so not negating anything that folks feel right now in this moment because there is a lot of despair but it's like this is our future and we got to figure out what we want our legacy to be for our kids and grandkids, and ourselves. And so, like, let's lean in, right? You know, hope, hope and hope.

And faith is, you got to put it in action, right? Like, faith without works is dead. I grew up in the church. And so this is our country. This is our country, too. We need to decide what we wanted to look like and stop allowing people who are made way more money than us to decide what it is.

Like, we're living in their journey. like now it's time for us to live in hours. 100% agree with you on that. All right. I, you know, I wish I had time to go shopping through all the stores, you know. I wish we could just kind of go browsing, go window shopping. But that in my life, that's probably not your life. You're working.

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Just at the biggest picture, you know, what's your kind of worldview when it comes to, as a senator, what roles should be on foreign policy. Aggressive diplomacy in all in all areas. Never give a blank check to any ally. We need to make sure that we are working to get aggressive diplomacy. And so that is when we're looking at Cuba, that's when we're looking at Venezuela. That's when we're thinking about the Middle East. That's when we're thinking about Sudan and Congo and all the things, right?

Like aggressive diplomacy. We're on the 30-year anniversary. It's October 7th of the October 7th attack on Israel, obviously just like unimaginable. you know, to think, and it's not, I guess, like, kind of comparable to the state of Florida, like, just if you thought about, like, the scale of how many people died and hostages in one place. So I'm just wondering, you know, obviously three years now, there's a lot that's happened there between Gaza and the West Bank that people are upset about. But I'm just kind of wondering how you think about the situation and what our role is, you know, vis-a-vis Israel on this anniversary. Again, you know, what happened was horrible. It was major atrocities committed by Hamas, but also the response right now is bad as well. And so again, it is all about aggressive diplomacy. I want folks to know that like Israelis have a right to live, healthy, prosperous, and safe.

And so do Palestinians. They have the right to live healthy, prosperous, and safe. And so we need to be trying to push for aggressive diplomacy in all areas. And what's happening right now is it is making it unsafe for everyone that is involved. And even also folks who are Jewish and Muslim in America as well. And we need to work to end bigotry, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in all forms, rooted out. But again, like, we have to tone the rhetoric down as lawmakers, and we have to, like, again, just work to find diplomacy in all avenues. I just don't, as a black person, you know, I understand how Jewish members feel, Jewish community members feel, and I also understand how members of the Arab and Muslim community feel.

And I just don't want people fighting. I just want us all to just work together in harmony. I was surprised I was watching the clip of the debate last time between Troy Jackson and Susan Collins. And I was pleasantly surprised my cards on the table that Jackson said that he thinks we should be providing more aid to Ukraine, military aid. Where are you on that? If you were in the Senate, what do you think our posture should be when it comes to military aid for Ukraine? Again, we should not just, we need to scrutinize all aid outside of the U.S. with a fine-tooth cone. And again, we need to try to work for aggressive diplomacy.

And so, again, I'm just scrutinizing all the money that's going out. And we should not be cozying up to Putin, which is what Donald Trump has continually done. But we need to, we need to work to de-escalate what's happening over there as well. Sounds like maybe no. I mean, assuming there's no corruption, would you be for more military funding? I'm not saying, listen, I'm not saying yes. I'm not saying yes. I'm not saying, no, I have to actually get, you know, more intel.

I only know what I know from new sites and that type of stuff. But I know that when I become a U.S. senator, I'll have more information. And I also be leaning on some of the experts that are over there that have been dealing with what's happening. And then I can make that decision. But right now, that's not a deal. decision that I'm comfortable sharing in this moment. If you got in there, one of the first things that might end up happening is an impeachment of Pete Hagsuff. Thomas Massey put that on the table in the house.

Let's go. Where are you out on that? Let's go. Get them out of there. Remove them. I'd like to hear a little more about that. I look forward to doing, honestly, this is a special election. And so I'll have the opportunity to actually, you know, push back against any picks for if they decide to allow, if they force out Alito and Thomas, which is what we're hearing,

I'll be able to interview and have conversations and to grill the folks that come before us for appointments. Anybody else do you want impeached while we're at it? Or we'll just start with Peg Seth and see where it goes. The whole damn cabinet and the president. Let's go. they've all committed impeachable offenses. There's no doubt about that.

But I also want to make sure that we are actively doing the business of the people. And so, yes, we need to do that. And simultaneously, we need to make sure that we are addressing this issue of health care, extending the ACA subsidies. We need to repeal the big BS bill, which gave tax breaks to only the ultra-wealthy. We need to remove the working family taxes, which are these tariffs. And so we can chew gum and walk at the same time. I know elected officials try to act as though they can, but they can.

They need to stop with the BS. They need to cut through that BS and like let's get to work for the American people. You're a Florida Gator. Tough loss for the football team last weekend. One in six and the last seven against LSU. So I'm just wondering how you're dealing with all that. You know, I am a Florida Gator. I have a Gator on my arm.

Actually, this is not why I have the Gator on my arm. It's because the gator is synonymous with Florida in general. But, you know, I'm more of a Jaguars fan than I am a Florida Gator fan, football fan. Can I see the Gator one more time? I couldn't see that. I couldn't see that. Let me see the gator on the arm. That's cool.

You got guns there, too. Are you doing some bicep curls? I'm operating off reserves, Tim. I used to be more cut, but I've been so busy. I haven't had the time to go to the gym. I'm operating off reserves. So we got to work on that. Okay.

You're not down there in the hotel, in the hotel gym in the morning before the podcast? Absolutely not. I'm trying to get sleep, brother. I'm trying to get sleepy. Same. Same. Same. Same.

I'm glad you brought it up because my bags are horrible. So we can be there together right now. All right. Anything else I didn't ask you? Anything else you want to tell the full work people? Like this is a winnable race, folks. and would love people to join our people power campaign at Angie Nixon.com. They can sign up to volunteer, make phone calls, knock on doors, make phone calls,

even if you are outside of the state. But then we would love for folks to donate as well, Angie Nixon.com, let's do it. Let's go. We're going to shock the country and the world. So nice to meet you. And good luck on the campaign trail, all right? Nice to meet you. All right, everybody, sit around.

Thank you, tell Jeb to holladdle at you. I will. I will. I'll email it. All right. Thanks so much to Angie Nixon. I just want to play a little, some highlight reels from the Jackson Collins debate last night. We're monitoring everything. We're covering everything. I'm here in New Hampshire, giving some feedback from our New Hampshire Bullwark fans that I'm not giving enough attention to Chris Pappas and the New Hampshire Senate race against John Sununu. And, you know, part of this is, you know, we're knocking on the wood table here. Can you hear me knocking? Given the national environment, I think that in blue and purplish blue states, You know, like New Hampshire, the Democrats are going to be fine. And Minnesota, I mean, many of you, some of you might have heard if you listen to the next level podcast, that if Michelle Tovoy, the former NFL sideline reporter, who's a MAGA conspiracy theorist, wins the Minnesota Senate race,

like some people on the Internet think might happen. In the MAGA side, I said, I will fly to Duluth, strip down to boxers. I'm really usually more of a brief man, but in this case, I think boxers would be appropriate. And I'll hold up a sign that says tampon Tim with an arrow pointed down to me. So I'm just, I'm pretty confident about Minnesota and New Hampshire and some of these other races. But Maine, you know, Susan Collins is just a different beast. And she's, she's had some deftanist in the past. She surprised people and way outperform the polls six years ago against Sarah Gideon.

And it's the one out of kind of that blue, purplish blue kind of part of the map that I still really do have my eye on. And I can tell you, my expectations were pretty low. Life's all about expectations. My expectations are pretty low for Troy Jack. and seems like he performed pretty well last night. So I want to play a couple of clips for you. The first one is Susan Collins trying to do the Susan Collins thing that has worked for her up in Maine, which is say, well, you know, the national party that might be crazy, but I'm serving Maine.

I'm bringing home the bacon for Maine. I'm bringing home the road salt for Maine in this case. Let's watch that. I have been strongly voting against the tariffs with Canada, but I've all seen. been working behind the scenes. Troy mocked it, but I was successful in getting concrete, pulp, and road salt removed from the tariff list. And if you ask towns in northern Maine and eastern Maine, they get all of their road salt from Canada. The small town of Frenchville, with 900 people, would have to pay $10,000 more this winter had I not been successful.

A businessman in Waldo County, who's in the concrete business, would have faced $150,000 more a month. And I'm not finished. I'm still fighting for more of a reduction in the tariffs. Thank you. Senator Jackson, same question to you. Well, look, maynors can't afford who, pay their bills with a press release

or a strongly worded letter like Senator Collins keeps talking about. I didn't mock the fact that she got road salt back. I mocked the fact that what about everything else? I mean, we can't eat road salt. And the thing about it is is that everything that she's

doing with Iran War and stuff like that, there's going to be so many less people that will be able afford to drive that I'm not even sure the road salt is going to be worth anything either. We have a country right now all across northern border, they're having trade wars with Canada for absolutely no reason than Donald Trump. Senator Collins put Lucknick on knowing full well that he wanted blanket tariffs, and that's what we

have now. And she won't use her authority as chair of appropriations to actually push. I mean, there is ways. I've appointed appropriations chairs. There are ways to get your leverage things to make this happen. I'm not going to give her credit for getting one thing back when we have thousands of things that people are having to pay more money for because she's, She won't let Donald Trump, she won't talk back against Donald Trump. And tariffs are a function of Congress, not the function of the president. I like Troy on the off the cuff there. We can't eat road salt.

I think that is definitely true. I mean, I don't know. Some dogs maybe. The pitch is tough for her right now. Like this idea that, oh, I've been strongly, very strongly voting against the tariffs. But they've all went through. But also I have all this influence of Trump. and you need me there because I have this influence.

It's like, well, why? That's like, okay, well, what did you actually do? It's like, well, the one thing I did is we got the pulp and the road salt removed from the tariff list. Like, I guess that's nice, but, you know, when you're freezing through the winter because your heating costs so much, having cheaper road salt isn't really doing you a lot of good. And I think that kind of that back and forth just showed that Troy is arguing from a stronger position because he's able to undercut the central message that has allowed Susan Collins to survive

as somebody who has a brand for bucking the party, even though people listen to this show know a lot of that is performative more than actual results. So anyway, this small town of Frenchville, if we have any of the 900 people from that small town of Frenchville listening, I hope that you have cheaper roads old. But there's kind of a bigger picture out there

as well. But shout out Frenchville. Okay. Let's listen to one more on this that I think really drives us home even more. Also, Iran war. I mean, Senator Collins would not push back against that five times. She voted for it. I mean, the reason why our fuel prices are going through the roof and the reason why our electricity costs are going through the roof is because of the cost of fuel, cost of oil is so high because she wouldn't stop President Trump with the Iran war. Tariffs, another thing that as a chair of appropriation, she could have done. more to stop, but now we have prices all across the state, fuel prices, wood going to Canada, everything that we're buying tourism, all because of the tariffs.

And this is it. And Troy is doing here what I've been pushing, you know, Democratic candidates to do and strategists when I talk to them on the show, off the show, which is, you know, going right at the Iran war side of this. And if you're Susan Collins, you were for the war. war. You were for it. You voted for it five times. People are suffering the consequences. And then he can kind of tie it back to the tariffs there. So, you know, whether these two fundamental issues that the people of Maine are against that are causing them tangible harm, Susan Collins hasn't done anything to prevent it.

And on the war in particular, she was all in. You know, on the tariffs, at least you can kind of say, well, I was strongly voting against it and not doing anything. I mean, you're the appropriations chair. there you could have tried to take back the power of the purse. But like, you know, she at least has that talking point. That's not true in the war. Like, these guys were all in. And, you know, some of them are trying to tiptoe back away now. But there was not pushback from Republican senators besides Rand Paul at the beginning of this war.

Susan Collins, you know, my favorite Susan Constroy of all time is that on January 6th, she said that she thought the people storming the capital were Iranians. Like, that's where her head is. She's such an Iran war hawk that she was confused into thinking that there was like a band of, I don't know, Maga Ayatollahs storming the Capitol on January 6th. She was not aware enough of what was happening within her party to recognize what was really happening. And so, you know, I mean, like this is her war. And I think fundamentally that's an issue that Troy Jackson has good credibility on. And I think if he's able to kind of continue to drive the point you made in that clip, you know, here through the last month, I'm feeling a lot better about that main race.

One other one just for a little chuckle. One other one just for a little chuckle. Well, I mean, Senator Collins has been a governor employee your entire life. She's always had health care. She's always had, you know, steady income coming in. That's not the way it is for most of us. I mean, health care is a real challenge. And she's made it worse by advancing the big BEO,

Bill? First of all, I have not been insured my health life. I spent a year when I was running for governor in 1994 where I could not afford health insurance. So, Troy, you're just out now wrong on that. But that's not really the issue here. Susan Collins didn't have health care for one year when she was running for governor. 32 years ago. She's been running for office for 32 years. years, you know, not a ton of experience as somebody, you know, trying to pay the rent, trying to, you know, ensure their bills were paid. It was like the one time that she decided to run for governor, she had a gap in her health care coverage.

Didn't seem to want to do any. After that, it wasn't like, well, and I think that that was mistaken, we should have addressed that. Like, we should have had a more universal coverage for governor candidates, nothing like that. So I do think that, you know, Susan Collins has been out of touch for a while, but she has offset that by being very present in the community in Maine. And so while she might live in kind of a bubble of disreality where she thought Iranians were attacking the Capitol on January 6th and she hasn't had any financial worries and she said

security, all this for a long time, I think that the people of Maine saw in her like somebody that, you know, whatever, cared about what was happening in Frenchville. And the second Trump term makes that case really hard. And you end up with a person that is out of touch that feels like people should sympathize with her because 32 years ago when she was running for governor. She had a gap in her health care who seems almost over the course of the debate, just a couple of clips you saw, almost kind of like annoyed that she has to campaign, that she has to defend herself, just to explain, you know, why Donald Trump was able to run roughshot over her. Like there is just, you know, a real sense of that this is like a seat that is owed to her and that she doesn't have to make any sacrifices in order to make people's lives better in Maine. And I just don't think that's going to be the year for that. So Troy Jackson, performing above expectations last night in the debate.

I wanted to share that with you all. Appreciate Angie Nixon for her time this morning from Hotel in Orlando. She's out there on the campaign trail. I'm coming at you from Hanover. A little rocky mug back there. I'll be back home tomorrow with the regular setup and hopefully better under eye care. Appreciate you all very much. And we'll be seeing you tomorrow.

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