The Cake Eaters - 100. Dawson's Creek Season 1: Episodes 1-5

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

The boys have decided to tackle the beast that is Dawson's Creek! They start from the beginning, with Season 1: Episodes 1-5. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, the immaculate 90s vibes, how much Dawson sucks, the killer soundtrack, Joshua Jackson's Rizz, and the incredibly awkward student/teacher relationship. Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspod Email us at [e-mail]

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One of the greatest theme songs ever written.'s although it wasn't really written that's a theme song but It is the it is the theme song all theme songs aspire to be I believe I'm that's such a lost art now. There's no good theme songs anymore. Oh, absolutely not think about the 97-family matters full house Ducktales Ninja Tur, Captain Planet, dude. He's a hero, gonna take pollution down to zero. Dude, I was watching Captain Planet on the airplane the other day. That show's so good, dude.

They work for, was it Gaia? The Earthlany? God damn, dude, that movie is so good. They take out like Professor Sludge and shit. But Brandon. Dawson's Creek. Yes. The theme. This show, you can you can kick us off because I, I've never seen this show before. It was, I was 12 years old. It doesn't shock me. Yeah. Oh, come on. 12 year old Heath. This show was not even near my radar

on purpose. I was way too cool. I was way too edgy. I was watching Dangerous Minds. I was a tough kid on the streets of Wayne America. Too cool for school. Listening to, I was fully invested in the East Coast, West Coast rap battle

that was happening between Tupac and Biggie. We won't mention, you know, he who must not be named now. Yikes. But I'm so glad I decided to kick this show off as an adult because I am all the way in. And I was so sick when I was watching this show that I had the craziest fever dreams that were like gently Dawson's Creek, like vibe.

You know, like the vibe of this show is so, like the outfits, the banter. Like it's the most 1998 show ever. And I fucking love it. Oh my God, the video, the camcorder, you know Big Mike was at every single event of mine with a tripod set up with that camcorder on top. He was, we have endless amounts of footage

of basketball games, dance squad dances. Like, my God, we need to get a peek at those dailies. If you want to watch someone like play athletics as a completely unathletic person, like you just watch me bulldoze around in there like a bowl in a Chinese shop. You know, it was, it was a disaster, but my God, it is peak nineties though. Um, the video rental store, uh, is, it was everything. I loved it. I loved everything about that. And the fact that they, they take your credit card, but you pay out, you pay when you return.

Oh my God, that broke my brain for a second. I was like, Holy shit. We used to actually be able to trust each other somewhat. Like there was a, there was like a societal code that used to take place in the 90s, you know, like it was, it was wild. Certain places, at least, at least where I grew up, like there was a code and everyone just kind of followed the code and no one was the worst. And if you were the worst, you were like the one person that would go to jail. Oh yeah. I mean, the code left a lot, the code had a lot of holes though, you know.

Well, that's true. But my God, the paying when you come back, it was just, you know what else blew my mind is that this episode one just kicks off with Joey just going into Dawson's room up the ladder and Dawson's parents, like just leave the ladder there full time for Joey to climb up in and out of this room. You know,

like that is a dangerous game once puberty hits and they're 15 in this, in this show. Like they're, they're an established 15 year old. And like, does it weird you out a little bit at how like, like it's just they're 15 and just, it's just sex and yeah, staying over. It was, it was very, um, it's very heavy handed for sure. My God. Yeah. And like the very, the very first scene is him convincing her to

stay at his house as friends. It's like, hey, come on, buddy. We're just gonna sleep over. And she's like trying to explain to his like P-brain that it's like, hey, we're 15, I have boobs now. Like I should probably not do this shit. Speaking of P-brain, you're gonna hate Dawson. Oh, it's too late, Brandon.

That ship has left in jail He's the worst midway through the second episode. I just turned to Kelly. I was like, god, I fucking hate Dawson Like that guy sucks, dude, and he is like every guy that I hated in high school and college Pretentious thought he was smarter than everyone, thought he was more intelligent. It's like, no, dude, you're not. You're just the worst 15-year-old in the entire fucking town is what you are. Like, ooh, I'm so mature. It's like, no, you're a fucking clown. I hated Dawson.

The one that drives me crazy is when it's in episode one, he's talking to Jen because they're sitting on the dock or whatever. And she goes, so why do you love movies so much? And he goes, I reject reality. I will say I didn't see enough Pukashell necklace in nine for 98 though. Oh, his, his necklace is famous though. His necklace. Oh, okay. But his necklace, I believe is. I mean, I love his necklace.

Like everyone had those if you were like film type. I believe if I'm remembering the story correctly, and I should have probably looked it up before, but I believe his James Vanderbeek's mom made that for him. Jesus. And then he was like, he's like, I want to wear it in the show.

And so he wore it for every episode and they like built his wardrobe around the necklace. That's, that's amazing. Actually. I, I, I love that. Um, yeah, it's, it's everything about this is fantastic. It takes place in Massachusetts, which like, I thought, um, I had Kelly look it up and it was, she said, it's not a real town. Wilmington Island. And that's where it was shot. Yeah.

It's just your typical Cape, Cape town. Yeah. But you know, the, if you shoot it in North Carolina, you run the risk of it looking like a marsh, which it did. So like I placed it in the South instantly. Cause that's how all of the docs in Savannah look. Like with the reading stuff. Like, I don't know.

Actually you didn't catch, cause I mean there's Massachusetts shit everywhere. Because there's like, there's like Patriot posters in the background and a couple of scenes. I just assumed that the Patriots was their high school, I guess. I mean, it says New England Patriots, but.

Well, whatever. No, I think they, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely Massachusetts though. Yeah, it says that on description, but. A bunch of assholes, man. Yeah, it's, and then like, I also, like, Joey rose a boat to and from her house to Dawson's. That was, that took me a minute to wrap my mind around for a second.

Yeah. Going up and down the creek. Oh, I gotta have to, I'm glad I haven't been in Nebraska for a while. Cause we, we, we called it the crick. And my mom, my God, there's imagine how different the tone would have been if it was Dawson's Creek. Oh my God. Would have definitely been taking place in the South then.

No, my mama Dee hated it. So I'd be like, I'm going down to the Crick with everybody. She's like, oh, the Crick? You sound terrible. Just like, it's just, she got real pissy about ain't too. Like that was not allowed in our house ain't ain't a word Brandon No, it's rough. I Think it is now websters has gotten real loose with their restrictions my god websters needs to get their shit together

They're on the list The language is an ever-evolving thing you get to keep up with the times Yeah, if you like being stupid, I guess, why would we want to add those words? We should be bringing back old time slang and stuff. Have you seen those TikToks? It's really good stuff. Like, the old time slang was awesome. Yeah.

And we need to bring that back. We shouldn't make new stuff. Anyways, all right. Let's talk about Dawson's Creek, Brandon. We're doing the first five episodes. Yes, we're talking one through five, because there's 13 total in season one. Right now we're only going through season one. There's six seasons. I don't know if we want to do all six, but for right now it's just season probably, we'll tackle other seasons when we get to it.

Yeah. We'll revisit this. I, I honestly will probably keep rolling. Like now that we've started and I'm invested, like it's there's, but 20, it goes from 13 to 22 for the rest of the seasons. And that's where, like, this is a very psych-esque type of like endeavor. Like you got to be committed to these 45 minute episodes for 22 of them. And it gets, it does not get any less ridiculous. Oh, I mean, it's, well, I'll read the breakdown

of the first episode, but like Brandon, it starts out with statutory rape and grooming. Like that's how, that's episode one is a 15 year old boy is being groomed. Like that is the wildest starting point ever. So anyways, all right. Episode one title pilot. So fun fact, before they released each episode had a different title, and all the old titles

were movie related. I have those. So episode one pilot, as you said, aka emotions in motion. Okay. in motion. Okay, I, um, it's funny that they had two different title names for the episodes. That's weird, right? Well, they have, like I said, they have like, um, movie related titles for all the episodes. Um, and I think they probably were like, oh, this is too long and confusing and stuff. So let's just, cause every, every, every other, all of the new episodes are just one word. It's just one word. So I think they were like,

this might be too confusing. Let's fucking, or they were trying to, they were trying to save money on like the, um, the, the printing of the TV guide, you know? Yeah. Oh my God, dude, TV guy. Wow. What a journey. I remember when we would get those and like, cause we would, you know, we, we had Disney, we had, um, we would rotate between HBO and Showtime. So we would, you know, movies that we wanted to record onto the VHS tapes. We would star them in the guide. They'd go on the calendar.

We'd, we'd record the, we'd record the movie is really good shit, man. We had a system, we had it put it record the movie. It was really good shit, man. We had a system. We had it. Put it on the calendar, man. Yeah, dude. If it's on there, it's basically in stone. But anyways, all right. So episode one, pilot. Film addict Dawson is making an amateur movie

with his friends, Pacey and Joey, when filming is interrupted by the arrival of beautiful Jen, the granddaughter of Dawson's next door neighbor, grumpiest old lady ever, am I right? Pacey developed- Dude, dude, Grahams, don't, Grahams is a bitch, but let's, you know, I'm bad mouthed Grahams.

Well, Grahams is a hater because, like, you know, let's just, just feel like that's just, there's just a dime a dozen Grahams out there these days. And honestly, her messaging, like poor messaging, but like the point behind it, like if she could have messaged it better. She was on her delivery. Exactly, you know, like what she was trying to tell her

made sense. It's just that she was being kind of a dick about it. Yeah, I think it's in episode two or three, I think later on when, um, she's, you know, she's trying to get through to Jen, but she's being a bitch about it. And she goes, she says to Jen, not everything I say is meant as criticism. And it's like, well, Graham's, it comes across like that. Okay. Yeah.

She's like, yeah, okay. Then judgment, I think is like what she says. And it's like, yeah, that's, you, I think is like what she says. And it's like, yeah, you're not gonna win over a teenage girl with that kind of messaging, right? Like you gotta- Especially with Jen's history, she's only gonna do, she's gonna do what you, she's not gonna do what you tell her to do.

She's gonna do the opposite. Yeah, she's not gonna be hip to that steez. She's gonna, you know, she's gonna go rogue on that to that steez. She's going to, you know, she's going to go rogue on that. So anyways, but Jen, beautiful Jen played by the wonderful Michelle Williams moves in next door. Pacey develops a crush on her. We should probably so. Oh, okay.

Identify your main characters, the main four. Yeah. And for anybody confused about why we're talking about dozens Creek, uh, Joshua Jackson Charlie Conway plays Pacey Pacey water He plays Pacey so that's why we're doing this and then yeah, Michelle Williams is Jen James Vanderbeek is Dawson Katie Holmes is Joe Josephine Joey. Yeah, and then there's a there's a bunch of other people Yeah, they don't matter in the end. They're all so our main four big PC.

Hey, see Josh Jackson's PC. I knew it was going to be good, but my God, you want to see it's it's great. Do you so before we get I have a fun fact about, about Dawson's Creek and PC, PC specifically. Yes. So I'm a huge Nick Offerman fan. I love Nick Offerman. He is a noted Dawson's Creek lover. He's told stories about how he used to race home to make sure he didn't miss it. And he is also very famously Team Pacey. He loves, loves Pacey. How can you not?

There's a, uh, he did a comedy special years and years ago, probably like 2013, 2014, 10 plus years ago. And I forget exactly the whole setup of the joke or I'm going to butcher everything, but essentially there's a line in his standup comedy where he goes, um, that, uh, he goes, that Pacey kid from Dawson's Creek has a wicked slap shot. I forget, I forget the rest of the joke. It's way better than that. But, uh, the line always stuck with me.

Um, it's just, he is phenomenal as Pacey. It's so good. We talked about, we talked about this when we did Cruel Intentions, because he's in Cruel Intentions for very, very little time. And he just steals the goddamn show. Yep. And it is this, like this led to that, right? Like it was, cause it came a year after this. Him being,

cause like I mentioned, Nick Offerman was Team PZ. There's a whole team, like there it, it, cause like I mentioned Nick Hofferman was team Pacey. There's a whole team, like there's like the, this Twilight thing. There's a whole, there's a whole team Pacey team Dawson thing that, that sprouts. Why? Oh, it sprouts. Okay. No spoilers.

Cause like, not necessarily, not necessarily within the show. Oh, like outside like fandoms were beefing a little bit. Because they're buddies. They shouldn't be a team versus team. Like they're chill bills. They butt heads like normal, like all teenagers do. Teenage boys, come on. If you're a teenage boy and you've never gotten in a fight

with your friends, like are you even living? You know? But to not start. It's like part of like what we said about like the bullying stuff, right? Like you get in a fight with your friends and then, you know, it's like, oh, I might've been acting dumb. I deserve to get wailed on a little bit, right? Like if you're going to act like a bitch, I'm gonna tell you you're acting like a bitch. Yeah. Like I've got a sore shoulder, you know, or like, did you guys, maybe it was just like Nebraska things, but like we used to test like how hard we could take like a punch to the, to the wind, didn't

do face, but like to the body. Like, did you guys ever just test it? There was, I mean, there were, we never like, I don't know, like it wasn't like official testing or stuff, but you know, in like, like early middle school, there was definitely like a, like hit me school, there was definitely like, like hit me as hard as you can. Yeah, like in the shoulder, just to see, you know, just to see how far you could take it. And then like-

Or fucking Charlie Horses, that was a big thing. Yeah, well, and like I was enormous too, right? As a kid and my buddy was even bigger than me. Like he was like almost six foot in like sixth grade. And I was not too far away from him. And so we would rumble a little bit, but we were good sports about it. Like, you know, he was, he was bigger than me,

but sometimes, you know, I'd catch him like right in between the, you know, like your shoulder and your arm here. And you catch someone just like right in that spot. And I used to know that spot. My God, I just let him just, and then, you know, but like that's it. And then what happens?

We get checked a little bit. So anyways, anyways, let me finish reading this description. Well, I was gonna say, so there's the whole, it's more fan base than anything, the team, KC team, Dawson's, but the reason I think most people, the most sane people pick Casey is for two reasons. One, not because Casey's like a good person.

She's kind of, I don't know. That's debatable, but Joshua Jackson is incredibly charismatic and Dawson fucking sucks. That's, I think that's the biggest thing is that Joshua Jackson, Jackson as Pacey has, you know, Riz for days like nonstop. He still has Riz, dude. Have you seen him in his new show? That looks so goddamn, he's like a cruise ship doctor. It looks so stupid. But I see him in like a fucking captain's outfit and I'm like, damn, I gotta watch it. I gotta watch it. He, yeah, Pacey is, Dawson just, he's such a baby.

He's like Ross from Friends kind of, right? Like, you know? Yeah, he's even worse than Ross, though. God. He's just so self-centered, it's insane. Oh, and it is wild. All right, let me wrap up this description. There's just so self-centered at some thing. Oh, it is wild. All right. Let me, let me wrap up this description. There's only two more sentences,

but so, so we've got, uh, Jen moving in next door and then we get Pacey developing a crush on Tamara Jacobs, an older woman he meets at the video shop, but is stunned to discover that she is his new English teacher. Brandon, she lays it on so thick in that movie store. I was like, oh, the graduate. The dress she's wearing? Oh my God.

Yeah, it's insane. Oh, like as she was delivering the lines, I was like, didn't we just establish these kiddos just turned 15? Like they're freshly 15, you know? They're not driving themselves to and fro yet, you know? And we've got- Well, that's the media keepside, you don't need to.

My God, but you know what though, Brandon? Because 90% of the male population when this movie came out, we didn't fully understand like the trauma of being groomed as a young adult male is the same as a female, right? We didn't understand that. Every dad that was in a living room as this was going on,

my God, kids live in the dream. Oh yeah. For teacher, right? Isn live in the dream. Oh, yeah. For teacher, right? Isn't that the song? Yeah. How for teacher? Yeah. Well, first of all, so it's Lee and Hurley is the the actress that plays or not Hurley. Lee and Hunley is the actress that plays Tamara. Tamara? Tamara is how they say it. I'm going to Tamra that all day, though is how they say it. I'm gonna Tamra that all day though, but they say Tamara.

But she's a she's like she's a famous like soap opera actor. She's in a bunch of soap operas. Like Days of Our Lives instead? Days of Our Lives specifically. When I was a little little kid, I would I would get down with some Days of Our Lives with my mom. We'd watch, you know, yeah, you know, we'd watch I forget what the the other, the young and the restless, I think that was the one mama D would watch. She was in a days of our lives. Um, that was her big one that she, she was in that for like, um, I think she might still be in it.

I don't know if it's, if it's still going or not, but, um, but yeah. So, and like you said, the, the, we didn't recognize the trauma involved and the way they treat this. I mean, it doesn't help that she's insanely gorgeous. Yeah. But they yeah, they treat it. They treated it fair. I mean, they treat it as they will as everybody would have in the 90s.

Where it's very much. Yeah. It's it's taboo, but no one's gonna get in trouble. Well, I mean, she would get in trouble. She would, yeah. But I mean, she- They definitely tried their best to make it feel normal.

It was wild. This was about the time, I chatted you the name earlier, this was the time. So this was like right after, I think, that whole thing went down, which was like the first one was her name was Mary. Where's that girl already forgot her name Mary Kay LaTournia. Yeah. So that was like a famous case in the 90s of a teacher grooming a student. And I actually think in real life she got she got pregnant by the guy, by the student. But that was like the first time,

I think it like went public that anybody got in trouble or people started realizing it was a terrible, terrible thing. Yeah. But that's the product of the times. The 90s, a lot of this is gonna be a product of the times with the 90s and how terrible we handled things back then.

Um, I just, this, this, this grooming was unbelievable. Yeah. When she, and then like Pacey rightly is like, holy shit, the hot old lady just totally like laid it all out there for me. And Dawson being the worst is like no She definitely wasn't like no she laid it on thick. Yeah, um My god my my my thing not to skip ahead the thing that drives me fucking crazy Is I can't remember is it at the end of this of the first episode?

When uh, because they go to the movies when they go to the movies in the movies. When did they go to the movies in the first episode? No, they go to the movies in the second episode. Are you sure? Yes. I guess. Okay. Yeah. Cause the second one is.

Yeah. Okay. But so the thing that drives me crazy about the, the whole Tamera, um, crazy thing is, so it must be in the second episode then is it's after the movies and he, um, cause she kind of like shuts it down. Yep. Cause she's at the movies with someone else and the dude is the fastest

healing black guy in the history of cinema where the dude knocks Pacey out and then Pacey's eyes healed the next day at school. Yeah. But that night he like, he confronts her on the docks. Yeah. And that's their first kiss. Yes. But right before that, he, right before that, he fucking has, he has a great thing. He has a great, um, monologue where he's talking about how, um, she knew what she was doing. She wasn't a lot. She's't like she wasn't joking around. She was she's an older lady whose ego was a little busted from the divorce.

So she was like looking for gleaming for any kind of boost. And so she was using Pacey as like the the pick me up. And I was like, this this is a great fucking monologue. You understand what's going on, Pacey. And then kisses her and he falls right back into it. And it's like, oh, we were a great fucking monologue. You understand what's going on, Pacey. And then he kisses her and he falls right back into it. And it's like, oh, we were so close, Pacey. Yeah, we were so goddamn close. You know, he's also, but he's the guy that's never gotten the girl too.

Right. So like, right before she, she ends up kissing him, he, he says the greatest line of the entire show when he goes, uh, uh, he goes, Samara, yeah, you're, you missing out. Okay. Because you're, I'm the best sex you'll never have. That's what he says. Well, I was fucking, fucking 15 year old talking to a 40 year old lady with this fucking butt, it's busted up black guy. And he's all, I's all, I'm the best sex you'll never have. Dude, to have her take his virginity to that.

Yeah. That's tough, man. And I feel- So take his virginity outside in the woods in late August, early September, cause school just started. I mean, we're going way ahead, but yes. And it was in video tapes. Yeah. We'll get to that in a second. school just started. I mean, we're going way ahead, but yes. And videotapes.

Yeah. We'll get to that in a second. There's one more, there's one more line of the description that we did, cause it was like the end of episode one and it leads into the fifth episode where it blows up, which is, um, as the friends start high school, Joey discovers Dawson's mother, Gail is having an affair. A fact that neither Dawson or his father Mitch know, but Dawson called it dude.

He did call it cause he was in that first episode. It's like the way she's saying Bob, ooh Bob. Like he's, his O's were open or something like that. Yeah. O's were open. Yep. And what do you, what did you think about the wildly inappropriate PDA from the parents? Like maybe it's, maybe it's just me and like, we don't show affection

as a, as a people, as a clam. That's just not our style. But like, that was wild. Like parents just on top of each other in front of the kids. Well, so they weren't, the kids walked in. So I have no problem with them, you know, like, cause they stopped when they came in. Yeah, and then he wasn't supposed to be home. My issue is the talk afterwards was a bit much, you know, then like after he comes in and they're still like, you know, like, in the midst of like

flirting with each other right in front of him. She calls him Mr. Man me. Yeah, and like, they like are making out way too hard, you know? Yeah. But I had no problem with them, like, you know, because they got walked in on. It's not like they were, you know, doing it. It's not like he they were all in the room and then they started to make out, you know, but but the way they talk about it with him in the room is is is

interesting. And I have I have a father who is very, very open about his life and gives me way too many details sometimes. And so I can relate to Dawson. So you've been in Dawson's shoes. Yeah. Just being like, okay, let's, let's wrap this up. I don't need to. Whereas, whereas like I've never actually seen my parents show affection.

There's a couple of polar opposites, you know? I mean, it's, it's inherited. It's my sister is, is the worst actually. Yeah. The, the, the, the parent, their parent dynamic is real interesting though. It's weird. For all intents and purposes, they are good parents. Um, they're very weird.

They are, they are meant to be very, very young parents. I think. So that's part of it. I think they're, cause Dawson's like, Dawson's 15, I think they were going for like, at most like 45 for these, the parents. I was thinking like 40, like they had, like he was like a.

They probably had, they had him at least when he was in college for sure. Yeah. When they were in college or something. That was like my uh, they, they, they probably had it. They had him at least when he was in college for sure. Yeah. When they were in college, that was, that was like my thoughts with it. But my favorite is it's in the next episode and we can start talking about that one in a second, but like when Joey confronts Dawson's mom. Oh dude, she crushes it. Oh good. Like, yeah, I was like, yes, I think Joey is my favorite character so far.

The movie theater is the end of episode one, by the way. Oh, it is? Okay. Okay. Sorry. It's hard to remember. Wait, hold on. When Joey, when they're walking.

Okay, you're right. Because when they're walking to the movies and Joey is just asking Jen the most unhinged questions and stuff. Dude, that was the way hilarious. The way, the way Joey is such a fucking like basket case. No, she did. Well, okay. Hold on though.

She did such a good job of portraying like Katie Holmes. Shout out Katie Holmes. We're training a girl whose mom died, whose dad left and who is living with her sister, who is the town pariah because she is impregnated out of wedlock by the local. I don't think she's the town pariah. I think she's Graham's pariah. Well, she's definitely Graham's pariah, but like, you know,

I mean, they, they, they have the restaurant and the restaurants busy, you know, they're making money at the restaurant. So I don't, if she was like, if she was a town pariah, people wouldn't go to the restaurant and the restaurant's busy. You know, they're making money at the restaurant. So I don't- That's true, I forgot about the restaurant. If she was a Tampa Raya, people wouldn't go to the restaurant, you know? Well, that's true.

But yeah, I just, I mean- But she- I thought she was pretty normal for like, you know, those types of scenarios. She, I mean, she, yeah. I thought she did, like, how she acted is exactly how I would picture that 15 year old girl

behavior. It's just it's such a it's such a like 180 from like how mature and like, like mature and understanding she handles the Bob thing. She crushes that she kills she does everything right with the Bob thing. And then it cuts to her and Jen and she's making dick jokes. And it's like, this is real weird. You know, she was trying to be cool. I'm printed. I do.

I do. I do take issue with the way she weaponizes her dead bomb. Um, she, she weaponizes that shit. Um, very, very crazy. So like when when when she when Dawson finds out his mom's cheating on him and she's like, well, at least you have a mom. Shut up. Shut up. We you didn't like that line.

No, that's that's low. You can't be throwing that around. That that was kind of his his like what my mom just fucked another dude for two months. So I don't know what you want for me. And she's like, well, at least you have a mom. And then she's like, Oh, I'm sorry, Dawson. I forgot it wasn't about me. And it's like, well, yeah, right now it's not about you. I mean, I understood her point because Dawson was being like, he's selfish. And he needs to know it's not always about him.

But in that moment, it was about him. Yes. He, he handled it exactly how you would expect a stuck up pretentious movie buff would handle that an emotional disaster. We got to talk about the, his, his studio with the fucking posters. disaster. We got to talk about the his his studio with the fucking posters. And when I just love Spielberg, he watches him as a god or not as a god. It was like, as

something less than a god or something. It's some he made he he made it sound even more pretentious than it needed to be. Exactly. Oh my God, dude. I hated Dasein from the jump. I was like, I fucking hate him. He only gets worse. He only gets worse.

Oh my God. You know who I do love though is James Vanderbeek. Like, come on. I do. Oh, dude. He crushed. He plays this character so fucking well. Oh, dude. He's he crushed. And he he plays this this character so fucking well. Oh, my God. It's it.

That's why you can hate Dawson so much is because James Vanderbeek kills it. Yeah, it's like the it's like it's like the Joffrey guy from Game of Thrones. Like, yeah, it crushes it. But I mean, what a quartet though. Joshua Jackson, James Vanderbeek, Katie Holmes, Michelle Williams. Are you kidding me? So this is wow. This is for the peak of their powers. But geez, whoever cast this, this is right when everybody's peaking essentially. Oh, is it Joshua Jackson? I guess. Yeah, because this is because D3 was 96. Right? Okay. Yep. So this is two years after I think they I think he was like, he I think he filmed it like right one right after the other. James Vanderbeek, this is a year before Varsity Blues. Okay. So far, because Varsity Blues is 99. And then I don't know what this might have been before Michelle's peak.

I don't know if Michelle's actually peaked. She's still crushing it. Yeah, she's doing great. But, oh man, I don't know. It's that core chant. And then Katie Holmes is always crushing it. Katie Holmes is an interesting person. I need to know more about her Tom Cruise experience. He's always crushing it. Oh, he homes is an interesting person. I like her.

I need to know more about her, her Tom Cruise experience. Well, that's, you know, that's the first thing I thought of was like, that, you know, I've said this, I think on a podcast, you know, how I feel about Tom Cruz and he destroyed her. Yeah. Like him and his Scientology broker as a person and like she didn't deserve that, you know, and so like now, honestly, after watching young Katie Holmes be like, blow this roll out of the water, I dislike Tom she questions this. Oh, yeah. She's always been stellar. And so yeah, the fact that she, you know, kind of pulled away after the whole Tom Cruise, I just I feel like there's a lot of, you know, a lot of crazy stories

involved there. I mean, listen, if you're if you talk about a memoir for the ages, you know, my God, could you imagine that just, you know, I wish I could like him. He does his own stats, but he's, he's the worst. Um, yeah, he's a terrible person, but I, they dropped the trailer for the new and last mission impossible. Did you see that? It looks amazing. Again, Tom Cruise fucking sucks. He's a terrible person, but it looks amazing. I just feel after this many impossible missions, like the last one, like mission,

like 10 should be mission possible. You know? Well, now it's mission impossible. The final reckoning. Oh, geez. Okay. Well, either way, never been a big fan of those. All right. Should we, should we, you never, you don't like the mission of hostiles. I just never got into them.

I watched the first few, but then I, I, I'm telling you Brandon, like if, if you rub me the wrong way, you know, we need to do, we need to, flapjack, hold on one second. Flapjack is being a real dick, huh? I've made him. I forgot to. I left the fucking blind open. That was my mistake. But we got to mission possible to Emilio is in mission impossible to. All right.

I'll allow it. But I'm just saying, Brandon, like when I'm done with you and you're on the list, it's over. I hold a grudge like a son of a bitch The new the new mission of the last like three or four mission impossibles are like the best action movies in the last 10-15 years So they're great. The one with the one with Henry Cavill is like You know like a 10 out of 10 movie. It's a fun. It's amazing. All right, I guess I'll give it a shot

It's just I can't get over that Oprah couch experience, dude. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just stuck in my head. All right, so we can, episode two. Oh, one thing we forgot in episode one is Dawson weasels his way into the junior level film class. Yeah. And like the girl that is, we need,

we need to talk about Nellie. We gotta talk about Nellie. What is Nellie's deal, dude? Like she's wild. Why? And she's their boss. She's the, she's the girl at the, um, the, the movie store whose dad owns the movie store. Okay. That's, that's what I thought. I was I I have in my my very limited notes. I have a couple times Nellie fucking sucks. Nellie is the actual when she when she's talking to Pacey and she tells him he's nothing like vapor. I was like, that's insane. Like what a, what a fucking, what a psychopathic thing to say to somebody. And then, then she doubles it. Pacey dude, like she bullied Pacey. Oh yeah. And then she

doubles down when she introduces herself to Jen and Jen's like, Oh, I don't do drugs. And she's like, Oh, you fucking dork. Oh my God. Yes. Like, but like her first line of questioning was like, that's, she doesn't know you like that. Like she's not going to answer that question straight. Like, you can be a fucking snitch, bro. I'm not telling you. She doesn't know you. She's moved to town. It's new England. Go yourself. And you're named after a little house on the prairie, you know? Yeah. Well, you know, that's mama D loves a little house on the prairie, you know? Yeah. Well, you know, that's mama D loves a little house on the prairie. It was my mom loves a little house on the prairie too, which is all about it. Yeah. Fucking Nellie. And then, yeah. So yeah, she told that that interaction

fucking, oh, you don't do drugs. You fucking nerd. Um, and then, and then she's just the worst as the producer. Oh my God. That is like, she took such offense to the underclassmen getting into the movie class. It was, it was wild. I mean, you can kind of understand if it was like waiting with us and he just, but he's not like participating. He's not, yeah, he's not a lot. He's not technically in the class.

He's not getting graded. Yeah. Um, the football player is Elliot's boyfriend in scrubs. Oh yeah. Yep. Um, he's also in, uh, uh, the white, the character's name is cliff. No, I'm in, in scrubs. Oh, okay. Gotcha. I don't know. And scrubs, but cliff cliff is the, the quarterback, uh, right. Is he quarterback? I think he's quarterback football.

He's a football player that, uh, flirting with Jen is his, his screenplay that they write for the, oh my God. And, and like Dawson being like, I'm so glad that they went with that to just irk Dawson, like that was the best part about it is it was, it was actually the worst script. It was a very high school production. I love how he, when they're in the class and they're talking about it and he goes,

he goes, now guys, this is autobiographical. So feel free to ask me any questions. I love it. And then some some kid pitches because they're trying to like create more drama right and some kid pitches the the coach like having a heart attack and he goes, it's not about the coach. Okay, nobody cares about the fucking coach. Oh, so good. All right. Let me let me read the description for

episode two dance Okay. Dance. Because this is, uh, do you want to take a guess at what the title, the, the movie related title was? Uh, dirty dancing. Nailed it. Fucking nailed it. He's no God. I'm so, I'm so smart.

This is why no one puts me in a corner, Brandon. All right. All right. So episode two dance. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Before, before we do, I have, I just looked at my notes again. I have more quotes from episode one that I want to talk about. I mean, I could go for another three hours, even though I'm deathly ill. So there's, I just wrote down, um, one is the, um, it's when they're, uh, they're in the, um, Dawson's bedroom and they're fighting over if she should spend the night or whatever.

And his, the penis size comes up and she goes, uh, she starts talking about his long fingers and she brings that up a couple of different times. His long fingers. Yes. She said that, um, to Jen. Yes. It's like, Oh, did you notice Dawson's long fingers? Yeah.

And then, um, after Jen shows up in the cab and, um, they meet or whatever, and they're walking back right before they walk in on Dawson's parents or whatever. Yeah. Um, Pacey's like, you know, ribbon Dawson talking about like banging Jen and he goes, he goes, greater men would be nailing her right now. And then there's another one. It's when Tamara comes into the video store and she's wearing that ridiculous dress and Pacey's like, you know, drooling. And Dawson goes, that's somebody's mother. And that was the first I was like, God, like, no 15 year old boy who's not the

absolute worst says that, right? Like, it's well, then what is what is Pacey responds with? People's mothers have the best sex or some shit like that, right? Isn't that what he says? Something like that where it's like they are the most experienced or something like that. Oh my god. And then there's the I reject reality quote and the the best sex you'll never have quote. And then one that was like real quick that fucking had me laughing like crazy was Jen and Joe were having

a little heart to heart or whatever. Joe is telling Jen about her family. She's like, my mom died, my dad's in jail, my sister is pregnant from the black boyfriend, they're not married. And then she transitions quickly into talking about Dawson. And she goes, you know, he likes you, right? To Jen and Jen's response is the black boyfriend. She was really good.

That was that was the black boyfriend. So good. I saw a review on IMDB that was like, Oh, this is how teens talk or whatever. I was like, I thought they did a pretty good job capturing how teens talk. It's 50 50. It's definitely like the sexual nonsense is definitely, you know, ratchet it up. But yeah, I mean, lingo wise and like, dude, I don't know. We were savages when I was 15 years old.

Like we said things that would traumatize these days as 15. Yeah, they did a pretty good job. But yeah, so those are my quotes for episode one. And so I also have. So I'll give these these fun facts here. So episode one released January 20th, 1998. Yep. And then it's on these are just IMDB ratings that I'm going to give.

I didn't look too farther into it, but 7.9 out of 10 for episode one. That's not bad. That's not bad. I mean, that's for a pilot. I mean, I thought it, it kind of starts really like, Jesus, where are they going to go from here? We've got teacher hitting on the student. We've got a love triangle with Dawson and Joey and Jen. And we've got, um, you know, uh, we've got, uh, you know, a mom cheating, you know, it's, it's a lot of stuff.

Yep. You got grams, grams, a black boyfriend. Um, they do, they do. I don't know if he shows up in episode two. Well, uh, they did an old switcheroo. They recasted him after the pilot. I said that to Kelly. I was like, well, the biggest difference from episode one to episode three is the, uh, black boyfriend got taller, lighter and lighter skinned.

Those are the, those are the two observations that I noticed. And he actually started speaking. So he had a line on the first episode. Yeah. He runs out there with his pan, and he's like, hey, I think he says, just the victim I'm looking for, and then he makes Joe taste the whatever.

And then both her and her sister describe the dish as orgasmic, which I felt was a little weird. Yeah, that's weird. But you know, maybe she learned it from her sister, you know? Maybe it really was that good. Yeah. That's, geez, I don't know. It's a hell of a Roo. Um, all right.

So episode two dance, Dawson cast Jen as the new leading lady in his film, but creates a messy off-camera scene during her date at the school dance. messy off-camera scene during her date at the school dance. Meanwhile, Joey lets Mrs. Leary know she knows about her liaisons and Pacey gets under, uh, Tamara's skin with his public flirting. They kiss for a second time. He really does not understand the gravity of the situation. Oh, not in the slightest.

And, but she She does nothing To quell it right like every time she's down and he comes back she caves. Yeah, cuz yeah Yeah, she is. Yeah, a gun him a unit on a thousand percent. Yeah Like she is loving this. Oh, yeah Yeah, he definitely does not. He like every chance, every time he sees her in public, he like starts hugging her and hold her hand and like, dude.

Like, like, of course he got under her skin with the public flirting. It's illegal. Yeah. Like the flirting is illegal. So like it's that makes, that makes perfect sense. Like she, she, she should have done more. Like it should have gone further actually from her.

And she should have probably been more than just under the skin. Yeah. The, cause they, this is where they kiss for the second time after like she rejects him. It's wait, what did you think about, um, Dawson confronting the football player at the dance? Like halfway through his monologue, I was like, what the fuck is Dawson talking about, dude? This guy sucks. Like what is, what was his deal? Like he just, I don't know. I love, I love when, when,

when he's sitting in his room with Joe and he's like freaking out trying to, you know, he's like, I need to go to the dance. I need to go to the dance. And he's like, he's, you know, he's doing the whole, woe is me. Yep. He's like, I can't believe she's going,

she went out with him. I can't believe she's going she went out with him I can't believe she's going to the dance like why him over me? What the fuck did he do to like get her that I didn't do and she was like, well, yeah He used his words, yes Which is like It's like it's like perfect like nice guy fucking nonsense words. Like why not me? It's like well, like nice guy, fucking nonsense words. Like, why not me? It's like, well, have you ever talked to them?

You know? It's like, this is so unfair. How could she choose him over me? You have never spoken to her. Yeah. She does not know who you are. Yeah, she has every right to choose anyone other than you. Anyways, the episode two was not quite as like action

packed other than like we talked about it a little bit, dude. When Joey confronts Mrs. Leary, which is like, I know. And then like when they're, when they, when they see them in the, when they're when they when they see him in the when they're shopping and like she's just glaring at them. She does such a good job fucking with the mom. But when she confronts her, it is that's that is really good shit. Yeah, yeah. She handles it amazingly. Again, she weaponizes the dead mom a little too much for my taste, but yeah. Yeah, she, um, yeah.

Yeah. She, she crushes it. Um, I'm trying to think, um, now, yeah, now all my episodes are fucking blended together, but, uh, episode two was super low impact. Like there was not a lot that went on other than like dance. It was, it was the dance. It was Dawson confronting the fact that like, he likes this girl, but like he never asked her out. And so he's got to deal with the ramifications. And then he tries to confront her in a cool way. And, um, and the other thing is like

Pacey and Tamara, right? They're like kind of doing the will they won't they will she cave cause she's kind of leading him on and like, oh, in the classroom. Woo. That is some dicey situations like where she they're studying after school. And that's where the second kiss comes. Yeah. Oh, the other thing, uh, the other scene, the other scene, uh, that is in this episode is when Jen and Joe got like something, I think it's when they're filming the movie, right? And Joe gets like blood on her.

And then her and Jen are like, oh my God, like having a weird heart to heart where they're just, Jen's just talking about how sexy Katie Holmes is. Oh my god, like having a weird heart to heart where they're just Jen's just talking about how sexy Katie Holmes is Oh my god, like she like takes off her clothes like there was addresses her and she's like I was I wish I had your tits. Yeah, it was crazy That was a weird is very weird That was a weird interaction. They have her do the whole no homo thing too, where she's like, I forget exactly what she says, but she's like... It's not in the girls or anything. And it's like, then what's the point of this? Other than like the director being like, yeah, yeah, this is good.

Two 15 year old girls. Like, what a fucking creep. Who directed this? Hold on. I don't like to buy Steve Miner. He directed this one. So Kevin Williamson is the writer and creator. He also wrote. I know what you did last summer.

Good movie. He wrote Scream 2, which I believe either Sc either scream to or scream three that Joshua Jackson is in I think it's scream to you But yeah, Kevin what he wrote I know you did I love those scream movies and I know what you did last summer They were they were in the wheel. Oh, he was oh shit. He also wrote the following which was a TV series with Kevin Bacon Do you ever see that? I? Think it's on Netflix or that's it was like years and years ago when I watched it that show was fucking fantastic Yeah this

God the the classroom stuff with Pacey and the teacher. He wrote the fact, he did the screenplay for the faculty. That's a great movie too. Oh, that was, that was good. Yeah. He's a great writer. Um, but he definitely, yeah, that's a lot of, a lot of horror. Um, but yeah, that scene was, was crazy. Um, but yeah, the dance, the dance was funny.

Dawson, like the, the, the outfits at the dance were pretty good too. Right. Oh my God. The fashion in the show. Fashion was great. It was fantastic. All right. We get, we can go on to the, but so, so episode two, January episode two, January 27th, 1998. I believe it was a 7.3 rating for Dirty Dancing. That's really all I got for Fun Facts. Like you said, it's the most low impact.

It does a good through line, right? Of like, from one to three, like it builds off of all the things that creates a little tension of will they won't they with Dawson and Jen. And it makes, you know, it makes you think that Jen, you know, is, is open to other dudes. Right. There's not, there wasn't that many good quotes either. There's a couple. other dudes, right? There's not, there wasn't that many good quotes either. There's a couple, um, just, I know that's, that's the best. I know. Joe, Joey, uh, I think she's talking to Pacy. She calls, she calls them a sphincter. You're such a sphincter. You really are. And then, um, as sphincter says what, uh, what's a D three, uh, a shrinking sphincter when he's talking with you?

There's a lot of sphincter jokes in the late 90s. Like, that's Wayne's world, you know? Both are funny, man. Yeah. But, um, and then Dawson, because Dawson goes through his dad and asks for like kissing advice. And his dad, his dad has a great quote, uh, where he goes, he goes, it's all about romance, Dawson and chapstick.

His, I can't remember what is, what other stuff is. Oh, his dad is, um, Barry Allen's dad in the flash, the CW flash. That's right. That's, oh man, I had been trying to track him for five episodes I'm so glad I figured that out. John Wesley ship is the actor's name son of a bitch I'm so glad I thought of that. I was like where do I know this guy from where he's older and it's he's Barry Allen's dad and the wonderful CW I

It's they they they tied too many shows together and it made it impossible to watch. Like you can't have four different shows that are all somewhat interlaced. Like that's too much, you know? He's a, he's another. You're going too far. Season one of the Arrow though.

Do you know what? Oh, shoot I just. My fucking favorite. I just realized that. So they did a flash TV series in the like the early 90s, 1990, 1991. And he played Barry Allen. Oh, no shit. Well, I love that. And then he was also the also connected his IMDb here.

He's also a who's in all my children. So another soap opera guy. Nice nice well, and that's a Speaking of kiss that is what episode 3 is called Brandon kiss. Yeah, do you want to take a guess? I wanted it Was once called I had I can't I can't think Prelude to a kiss Okay.

All right. This is where we get the new Bodhi. Yeah. We get more of Nellie being a goddamn bitch. We get a, for just one and done episode, we get Yacht Boy. Sailor Boy. Sailor Moon.

We gotta talk about, what was his name? Anderson Cooper? Crawford Crawford. I like Anderson Cooper better. Well, isn't that the guy from the news CNN? Yeah. Okay. It's like, why do I know that name? Anyways, if I, if I start to sound a little bit more nasally, I think my

shot of day quote is fading on me a little bit. So this just might get more nasally as we go. But episode three, kiss. While working on the film classes movie, Dawson has a hard time. Meanwhile, his plan to give Jen the perfect kiss at the end of his own filming is interrupted when she discovers a secret. Joey is swept away by Anderson Crawford, a wealthy boy whose family has docked their sailboat in Cape side.

Pacey angles for extra tuition with Tamara and she calls his bluff after class, resulting in him admitting he's a, he's a virgin and Tamara sending him away. I don't like that they described it as extra tuition. That's an interesting choice of words. Yeah, but that's, that is tough. What was the secret that she discovered while they were? I know he purposely films it. Oh, that's right.

He I don't know if that's the secret they're talking about, though. I don't think it's that that was pretty fucked up. The first, uh, you know, the first he has it. Yeah, he has it rolling and she like looks over his shoulder right before the kiss. She's like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? He's like, oh, he's like, I just want to, he just, he always talks about making the moment perfect. And it's like, dude, like you're just, didn't you want to learn from it too? Probably. I forget exactly, but it's just such a, he's such a fucking try hard little prick.

Yeah. And this is, I, I'm, we might've gotten two and three mixed up with Tamara and Pacey in the classroom But my god, and the worst part is is that she finds out He's a virgin and then goes and takes his virginity in the same episode Yes Like What is she supposed what is she supposed to do? He's not fuck him. Yeah Like that's she she shoes him off. She she she shoes him off multiple times and then and then goes back and then multiple times has him come after school at six to study.

Well, then multiple times she brings up the legality of everything and how terrible it is. And it's like, listen to yourself. It's like, you could easily make the choice not to do this. I, I, I don't know. I just, I literally could not believe that that was how it all shook out. But man, what a way to end the episode of like with with it showing it like showing just her face through the camera. Yeah, like when they got interrupted and it like it was

like, oh and they were hiding and it smelled weird where they're hiding or whatever. It's that was good. It's so it's, it's so so they go to the ruins, right? That's what they called it. They go to the ruins. That's where it's so Dawson mentions to Pacey, I believe. I know he mentioned he mentions it to Joe, for sure. And I think Pacey's there when they're all talking about it, when he talks to Pacey about it, about how he's going to the ruins to shoot a couple scenes, right? Yeah.

So why, Pacey, why would you go to the ruins? You know, Dawson is either going to be there or he was just fucking there shooting. Like, she's a 40 year old woman. She's got a fucking house. Go to your goddamn house The fact that they thought it was safer to go bang in public than sneak him out of her home is Unbelievable unbelievable It was and uh Have you I'm sorry. I asked her, I don't know if I want to have you, did you ever date an older woman? Heath? No, never, never. Not even like a, okay.

But what's, what's the oldest lady you've been with? I mean, I was like 21 and she was like in her upper thirties. Okay. So nothing, nothing crazy. Okay. That's fair. I was like 21 and she was like in her upper thirties. Okay. So nothing, nothing crazy. Okay. That's fair. What you want groomed though. No, no. One time I was hitting on, I didn't realize, I mean, I,

I think we talked about it in a previous episode. I, I drink a lot in college and um, one time I was a great, great way to start a story. I drank more than, than a person should. And my guts are still paying for it. Like they're, they're so fucked up from the heavy binge drinking. But I was talking to an elementary school teacher at the bar going great. And then, um, she said what she did and I was like, oh shit, my mom is the secretary at the middle school.

And she was like, oh my God, you're Lori's son. And she left that bar so fast. Good, good for her. Yeah, shout out to her. Like she's very smart. Like she's like, oh Jesus, I don't wanna, this kid's a fucking savage. I do not wanna be seen talking to the dick as can is because while my

parents are fantastic human beings, I, I was a little rougher on the edges in college and I loved, I loved, I loved soaking it up in the bar. I said, Wayne, Nebraska, what else are you going to do? Especially on Windsor Wednesdays. My God. I would black, I would black out. Like you wouldn't believe there'd be a stack of quarters from all the dollar 50 Windsor Cokes we had.

So unbelievable. And like those Windsor Cokes are rough. Oh, you know, they're so good. I threw up black. The Windsor Cokes are so good that my favorite was like the old dude. Like I became so immune to Windsor that like the old dudes would come in and they, they would all be sitting at the table laughing because they would have the waitress basically give me a glass of Windsor with a tiny splash of

coke and they would think it was going to be so funny. And they got me cause they paid for like a triple, you know? And I would just house the thing. I would just be sitting there and be like, Oh, hey, and they're like, what the fuck, what is wrong with you? My uncle, man, the way he used to yell at me when I would come in the next morning, smelling like the bar. Can't, can't say it on this, but my God, he, he taught me new ways to

insult and swear at people. Jesus fucking Christ, you dumb son of a bitch. You leave any fucking liquor at the bar. What? Oh, goodness. Anyways, um, so yeah, it just damn doing. I brought into Mara I brought relationship is the most fucking crazy thing. I brought up imagine. It's a but so I brought I brought that up because I dated I did

date an older lady a little I was a little older than you. I was like 23 24 and she was like, I think she was like 45. Um, but we dated for, uh, that's a pretty sizable age gap though. Yeah. That's like 20 years. It was about 20 years or so, but we were, uh, we did, what'd you guys talk about? We didn't talk very much. There's a sense cause like, what would you talk about? Uh, we did talk about music. She was a, she was a singer. I forget the name of the,

not that I would say it if I remembered, but I forgot the name of the fucking not that I would say it if I remembered, but I forget the name of the fucking band. It was like a local, you know, local Denver, but she was like a singer for them. But I met, yeah, I met her. I used to work at like a movie theater restaurant deal and met her there. She came to the bar, got super fucking, super fucking drunk. came to the bar, got super fucking, super fucking drunk. That's the only thing that tomorrow is missing is just getting Pacey drunk. We dated for like three or four months. It wasn't very long. Cause like you said,

there's not a lot to talk about. You just run out of things in common, you know, eventually I was going to say date might be a strong word as well, but Eventually. I was gonna say date might be a strong word as well. So the whole Joey as the waitress in the restaurant that the fancy boat guy wouldn't go for, that was just there for the weekend, I think with his parents, right? Yeah, they came in. That was the most random unnecessary shit ever. Like it was resolved that like it was resolved at the end of the episode.

Like she just shut him down and then they moved on. Yeah, I think. Yeah, it's just it was her. It's her first kiss. You know. Yeah. Oh, OK. I didn't realize that was her first kiss, you know, yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't realize that was her first kiss

I guess yeah. Yeah Yeah, um Yeah, it was just it's just a little flame, you know, yeah I mean, I guess that's that happens right like, you know, you know how fucking fancy he is He's he's fucking playing violin on a sailboat My god, I fucking lost it at that point. I was like Are people from the Northeast really like that? Uh, it depends on where the Northeast Cape, Cape towns. Well,

the people from Cape towns are not like that because they're, they're counties. But, um, the, the fucking rich ass people that, you know, come in for the weekends are definitely people that, you know, come in for the weekend. They're definitely like that. No, the tourists. Yeah. I, I loved how when she first talked to him, she hid her, um, apron behind her back and then what was her name? Deborah. She changed her name to Deborah and then Deborah Kersons.

Yes. And then he comes into the restaurant and is, Oh, Kelly's walking the dogs. He comes into the restaurant and is calling your Deborah and Dawson Dawson. Oh my God. What a fucking cock block, dude. Right. Oh, it's all I could think of. Like fuck off Dawson. Like my God, sweet, amazing Joey. You're supposed to love movies Dawson off Dawson. Like my God, sweet, amazing Joey. You're supposed to love movies Dawson. Act. Yeah. Like my God. And Michelle and her kicking him

under the thing. And my God, do you, I thought he was doing it on purpose because I feel like Dawson is the kind of the worst. Like, so we're like, no one can have Joey. It's, it's switched. The first half, he was just really confused. Then once they kicked him, he realized, but he was still being a Dick after that. Yeah. Yeah. So it was definitely the, the, the second half was definitely on purpose. I just hate Dawson. Yeah. He's the worst. I just, uh, there's this, he's not going to get away with anything. I don't care for, I don't care for Anderson either. Anderson was a, yeah, that's, Joey could have done a lot better than Anderson, but that's you know, she's she's looking for stability

She's looking for love. Yeah, she got a good. I mean, it was a good first kiss with a dude who owns a sailboat Yeah, well, I wish that was my first kiss. I mean jeez, you know, that's it That's a teenager just rocking a sailboat on his own taking girls out on it Like once again, this is just these are lives that I don't understand right? Like do parents really trust kids with sailboats? That's fucking crazy. Like the first time I drove John Kroll's boat. I was so nervous Is a sailboat though? He doesn't have a sailboat. No, he has like a boat boat. Um Yeah, but I mean I because I guarantee you that kid's been sailing since he was like three years old, you know

Um, and like 15, 16, that seems, yeah. If you, if you, if you're, if your family owns a fucking sailboat, like you grow, you grow up a fucking sailor, you know, even fucking, even, uh, Joey knew how to fucking sail. She was like, she hopped right in and was like tying knots and fucking shit. I don't know where she learned any of that. Yeah. Did you see the fun fact that, um, hold on. Let me pull it up. Katie Holmes, um, never really rode that boat.

It was just pulled by her, uh, pulled by a rope and remained out of focus of the camera. So whenever she was like, when she's rowing, yeah, when she's on the creek, yeah, not the sailboat though. Not the sailboat, but whenever she's rowing her little boat, her little rowboat on the creek, that's, she's just getting pulled by it. Yeah. Not the sailboat though. Not the sailboat. But whenever she's rowing her little, her little rowboat on the Creek, that's, she's just getting pulled by it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, another fun fact, that was not only Joey's first kiss, but I believe that was Katie Holmes' first kiss as well. Oh my gosh. Like it's a very Mila Kunis type of thing. Yeah. Right. Her first kiss was on air. I mean, I was going to say child actors,

but granted at this point, I believe Katie Holmes is like 17, 18. She's not 15 in real life, when she's filming this. She's all of them are a few years older. I think Joshua Jackson is like 20 when they were filming this. But what are like child actors? What a crazy life, man. I do not, I do not envy that. Oh no. I that's it's terrible, man. You hear all the stories and stuff.

I mean, I always say if, if I would have been a child actor, I would have been a real disaster of a human being. Like there's just, there's not a single scenario in which I see myself handling that well, if I'm just being completely honest. I'm being honest with myself more than anything there, I guess, right? It's like, well, it's a slippery slope for me being a complete piece of shit.

And I think me being very poor kind of kept me humble, you know, so I just, I needed that. I was gonna say, I didn't handle my normal life. Right. And I would definitely want to handle that one. Like a little bit of, a little bit of, you know, juice in school. And I was the worst right after. Right.

They, uh, yeah. Oh man. I just, that, that was an interesting storyline. Um, the, him taking like Dawson planning the perfect kiss up at the thing. Like while they're doing the shot, that is very high school though. I feel like, like, like, like a high school nerd, like, yeah, like I want this to be perfect. And like, oh, the romance, especially after his dad was like romance so he's like yeah romance they mentioned we love love on the podcast but you big fans of love um but uh

they mentioned it i don't know if they mentioned in this episode but they mentioned it a couple different times about how he is he's just so obsessed with making everything like the perfect he admits that he's like i'm kind of a perfectionist and I get, and I turn into the worst when I do that. That's right. That's that was the, that, that's right. Now I remember now that I hate that fucking scene too. Yeah. He's like, I'm so sorry that I messed up. It's only cause I wanted to make it perfect. Go fuck yourself. Oh my God.

But yeah, but so, yeah. And then the, but like the, don't the filming it, Oh my god. It's. Yeah. But so yeah. And then the, the, the, the, the, the filming it like Dawson, what do we do? I know. Right. Like that's, I mean, that's the sneak attack, right? Like is it, didn't they have to outlaw that not that long ago? Like what do they call it?

Revenge porn? Like this is like, I mean, that's a completely different thing. Yeah. But like, is this where it started? Brandon? I'm just kidding. I don't think so. I think that would, that would be like, if they posted what's her face, right?

Like the teacher on it, that's, that would be the revenge porn. Well, it'd only be revenge porn if Pacey did it. Yeah. Hell yeah, you're right. You're right. Or if it's really that my God, revenge is the motive part. It's not just, you know, dude, the next two episodes are good. Episodes four and five. Oh, my God, we can go into episode four.

Brandon, I do want to pay see before they're just razz it like when Oh my god, we can go into episode four Brandon I do wanna pay see before they're just razz it like when Joey and Dawson are just joking around about them having what's-her-face on the tape Yeah, and Pacey is just sitting there having to act like a normal person Oh my god, and then the interaction we can get to it but the interaction between Pacey and Dawson, like when Pacey reveals that it's him on the sex scene. When he's destroying Dawson's room. Yeah. Yeah. Did it look like I was doing a good job? Yeah, but so the wrap up, see, wrap up episode three, the date, February 3rd, 1998, 7.4 out of 10 on IMDB.

It's hovering at that 70% mark every episode. Yeah. I have one quote. It's when they're, it's at the beginning when they're at the restaurant and it's right when right before Anderson first walks in and they're talking to Pacey and Pacey's like oh I got plans tonight I think I'm afraid if he says he has a date or not but uh Joe Joe turns them and I think he does say I have a date tonight and Joe turns to him and she goes who's the lucky farm animal oh my god dude joey and but I did want to animal. Oh my God. Dude, Jolee and her foul mouth humor is really good stuff though. I actually like that. Yeah, they're banter. Like in episode one, when they're filming and she's all,

she's all, he did it again, he grabbed my ass. And she's like, you don't even have one. Oh my God. Yes. But I do want to shout out, because we were talking about Dawson being a cock block, the true fucking hero, Bodie, Bodie comes in like a fucking savior. And he is because he's trying to, you know, she's lying to him, telling me Deborah and there's food up to be ran.

And her sister is just sitting there fucking digging the fucking thing. And Bodie Bodie comes in and says that he's like up to be ran. And her sister's just sitting there fucking ding in the fucking thing. And Bodhi Bodhi comes in and says that he's like, I got this. You know, it's like, are you even call? I think he even calls her Deborah. He says he pretends he doesn't even know her. You know, keep the lie going. Bodhi, dude. Bodhi, Bodhi, Bodhi is the unsung hero of this whole show.

Episode four, episode four, February 10th, dude. Bodhi is the unsung hero of this whole show. Episode 4. Episode 4. February 10th, 1998. If you haven't caught on, it's a weekly show. Discovery is the title. Yes. And do you want to take a guess at the previous title? Nah, I can't.

Throw out anything. Discovery limits. No, it's carnal knowledge. What carnal? Oh, that makes sense. carnal knowledge for everything that my God, everything that is revealed. And in for Dawson. So Dawson learns of his mother's affair and when he finds out Joey knows, he turns to Jen for comfort and advice. But then Dawson shames Jen because he goes,

he goes, he goes, don't ever fucking lie to me. I will fucking kill you if you lie to me. And she goes, well, okay, let me tell you some stuff then. Yeah. She bears her soul and he does not know. Now, like he Scarlett letters her for not being a virgin. Like what he really virgin shames her. Yes. So what she tells him isn't bad, really at all. I will say without spoiling anything, later on, I forget if it's this season or if it's even later on, we do find out more about her time in New York. There's more to be known. But from what she tells Dustin, it's not that, you know, it's not that big of a deal. It's just, you know, episode five, she digs into it a little bit deeper when we,

we find out way more like later on. Oh, okay. I forget if it's in season one or if it's later on, but there is more to know. There is more to know about her New York times. And like, I, I mean, do you think that Dawson was right and get mad at Joey for not telling him? I mean, like, I kind of, like right and get mad at Joey for not telling him?

I mean, like I kind of like what does she pose? How she's supposed to say that? Like I'm sure lose lose like like he gets mad at Joey. Yeah for for not telling him But I don't know. I was kind of like dude. What do you what do you want from her? Like if she tells you that proactively you're gonna flip out on her. So like, yeah, I would love to know the exact timeline. I would love to know how long Joe knew. I'm assuming it's a couple days. Yeah. I thought it was not that long because I thought that she found out in episode one.

Yeah. But at the very end episode one, but I, you know, I don't know exactly how long ago that was. If it's, I'm assuming it's a couple of days and then if, if it's that short, then yes, Joe, Joe's no harm, no foul. You know, if she had like kept it a secret, like a year or so, then I'd be like, okay, you know. She says it is 61 days, 62 days that this. That's how long the affair's been going. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. And so like if Joey knew the whole time for the whole two months, you can understand a little frustration. You can understand the betrayal. I don't think it was that long. I think it was like a week. Yeah, that's it. I feel like they found out within the same week.

Yeah. And so I don't know. And like her just lurking around the house was a little weird, too. Like she was just in Dawson's closet at one point, right? When he was talking to Joe, maybe that was episode five. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, she's she's, yeah, that's like, the that's like the what they do, though. They do that a couple

times. They don't really explain it. But they're like, they go into the closet, you know? And they and they learn, is it the end of, is it the end of season five or not season five, the end of episode five, when they go into the closet, Dawson and Joe go into the closet and they start quoting jaws. Is that the end of episode five? Yeah. So the closet, they used to do as little kids. Yeah.

The closet's a weird, yeah. They're just, they're always in the closet. Like, like our Kelly in that South Park episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so, but I thought Dawson was wildly unfair to Jim. It's like you go to-

He was unfair to everybody. Yeah, that's true. He was unfair to Joey. He was unfair to Jim. Except for, he doesn. He was unfair to Joey. He was unfair to Jim. He confronts his mom next episode, right? Yes. Okay. That one he was...

He confronts his mom at the end of four because then his mom admits it during the hurricane. Yes, but I don't know. I think he confronts her at the beginning of five. Okay. Maybe that's what it work. And Bob, Bob is just fucking kissing her at work. What are we doing, Bob? Yeah, they're just they are not hiding it at work in for a small Cape Town in the Northeast. That's risk. Yeah. And the way Joey finds out to the like pull up to his driveway. Yeah. And he's like kissing her out of the car in the driveway. Like anyone could

have seen that. I think it is it. It's either is it this again? Well, my episodes are put together, but there's I think it's this episode when Joe when he finds out Joe, Joey knew and didn't tell anybody. And he asked her, like, does anybody else know? And she says it's capeside. Everybody fucking knows. Yeah. Like, who do you think you're hiding that from?

Like everyone's kissing in the hallway at work. My God. Yeah, they were not being there going fucking shopping together for news like that. I mean that that that when you couple shopping is a very intimate thing, Brandon, you're not picking out clothes and for each other, unless you, if you're a cohost, I think you are.

If you're Bob, who has no idea how to dress himself, you're asking for help. Well, he, that's the wardrobe department. Like he's not dressing himself anyways. You know, it's a small, it's a small, it's a small, uh, well, Cape side, um, small Cape town. I don't think they have a wardrobe department. Didn't she say like the local news, didn't she say she had like in the next episode, she's like, well, I had to come to terms.

I'm not going to be Barbara Streisand or famous news anchor person. Katie Couric. I think she says, yeah. Okay. Um, I won't be the next Katie Couric as if that justifies banging your co anchor. Well, I found out I wasn't Katie Couric. I spiraled just instantly and just banging everyone. just banging everyone.

But yeah, when the, the lack of security around the, um, the, the leery household, I found disturbing because Pacey is just rummaging through Dawson's room, destroying it. So that's a, that's another thing. So the lack of security and then the lack of, um, you know, nobody's fucking paying attention, I guess, because so Dawson, so Pacey's in there tearing his room apart, Dawson comes in, they start like loudly talking to each other, Pacey spills the whole story about how he's sleeping with the teacher and Dawson's door is wide fucking open. How are his parents not hearing this? And his dad is always just around downstairs.

Like, I don't know what that guy does for work. Well, he's working on a restaurant concept. I don't know if you got that. That's oh, that's right. That's right. Which has a stupid name. It was like ocean themed, right? Yeah.

But yeah, so I don't think his dad is actually like working. I think he's, but yeah, let's say, yeah. So I don't, yeah, I don't think his dad is actually like working. I think he's just at home, you know, um, banging the wife and, and coming up with restaurant ideas. Oh my God. I just, so yeah, there's zero security. They're screaming at each other about how he's sleeping with the teacher.

The killer for me was when Pacey came back in and asked Dawson how he looked like, if he looked like he was doing a good job, I was just, that was too much for me. I was like, what is happening on my TV right now? I was like, Hey, Dawson, like, did it look like I was doing a good job? It's a very weird, it's a very weird question to ask. And like Dawson would fucking know. He's a virgin.

And Dawson just shaming everyone too. It was like, like when he was like, I forget what he's exactly, what he said to Jen, where he's like, well, someone has to think about celibacy in this place or something like that. I was like, he says get off of your high horse. He says multiple things. There's one where he's talking about his mom and he's like, I forget exactly what he says, but Jen kind of defends her.

She's like, a lot of this time, none of this is really about sex. And he goes, he's like, oh's like a lot of this time it's not really, you know, none of this is really about sex. Yeah Yeah, and he goes he's like, oh, you would defend her. Yeah. Yeah sexual deviant just yeah, and what does he say he says like Of course you would you know defend somebody having multiple partners or some shit like that. Yes. Yeah. What a fucking fucking asshole dude. Yeah. And then he like, she catches some strays and, and Joey, Joey comes up and tells her that like when she's upset, Joey's like, Oh, he's just deflecting his mom shit on you.

Yeah. Well, I mean, Joey doesn't help. She's constantly being like my mom. Well, and then she's constantly like, uh, the girls from New York, well, I mean, Joey doesn't help. She's constantly being like, My dead mom. Well, and then she's constantly like, the girls from New York, she moves quick and like shit like that. Well, cause Joey's in love with Dawson obviously, Brandon. Come on.

The like slut shaming like double standards are, I mean, it's the 90s. It's ridiculous. But yeah, Dawson fucking handles this terribly. He's, he insults her a couple of times and he fucking like freezes her out. And she's like, why are you freezing me out? And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Come on, Dawson. Like tossing.

You're not that smart. You're not fooling anybody, bro. He really is the worst. So like, there's not a, there's not, I don't see how people found him likable. I mean, I guess if you like guys, I don't think, I don't think most people did. He's not, he's, yeah, I think it's a pretty common, uh, opinion if you've seen the show that you're like, yeah, Dawson fucking sucks. Yeah. And then episode five hits and out of nowhere, it's just a hurricane. Yeah. It's just, I was like, oh shit.

Okay. Hurricane episode. You were talking about, uh, um, you were thinking it was, might've been somewhere in the South, like North Carolina. Yeah. It made more sense when it was North Carolina. Well, they talk about in the, uh, in this episode, like, oh, they never come this far north. They mentioned that a couple times.

But did I already give the ratings, February 10th, 7.3 rating for episode 4? Yep. I forget if I did that, but okay. But yeah, Hurricane, do you want to guess the original title for Hurricane? Ooh, I don't know. Got anything? No? Blow the man down.

Close, blown away. Oh, that was close. I've been listening to a lot of sea shanties lately, so I'm kind of, I'm in pirate mode, you know? So this one got a 7.8 out of 10. I'm surprised it Yeah, I got 8.8 million views is that high so far one of the higher viewed episodes. I think it was right For season 1 dance got dance got the same. Yep

That dance are the two highest, uh, the most watched of the season. But cause like episode five, a lot of shit goes down. So the major hurricane moves inland and they all get Chris hurricane Chris. Oh my God. Well, Dawson, it Dawson's lines about like hurricane Bob. Oh, or Bob's the anchor. Chris is the hurricane or something like he just. Yeah. He's like, he's like, yeah, gotta go.

Cause his mom, it's when he's like, like, you know, back talking, uh, and like being a Dick and she's like, uh, will you go like baton, you know, ties up down or you know, secure something and he's like, Oh, yep, yep, yep. Gotta go. Gotta go get ready for Hurricane Bob. Yeah. She's like, Chris. And he's like, Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, Bob's the anchor. And then they all get cooped up in the leery household. So several characters take refuge in the leery leery.

They bring Jen and grams over to the behest of Grahams. Grahams is like, I've been, she always, she says it like three or four times about different things where she's like, I think I know better. Like she's like, I've been through, I've been through hurricanes before and then Bodhi's trying to talk to her about like cooking. And she's like, I think I know a little more about the culinary arts than you. And it's like, he owns a fucking restaurant. Graham's then Graham's knows her shit. Brandon, you wouldn't understand.

I guess Graham's is a, but yeah, and then they bring Graham's and Jen over. And then Dawson is a huge dick to Jen. Yeah. Well, he's still like, kind of like freezing her out, like being an asshole to her. And then they bring Joey and her family, Bodie and, what's your sister's name? I forget.

Bessie, Bodie and Bessie. They come over, so we got the whole crew, except for Pacey, Pacey is chilling with the bro, the older bro. Oh dude, The Pacey older bro. When he pulls a fucking gun. Because Pacey keeps calling him gay. Oh my God, dude. And like the amount of discomfort while Pacey's older brother is appropriately hitting on the teacher. And like that, even that, that even, he says he's like 24. So he's like, at least we don't in his twenties, we don't,

do we know exactly how old, uh, Tamara is tomorrow? I thought she was in her 30 upper thirties. So he, um, what's a Pacey guesses? He says, what are you 35? And she goes, oh yeah, 35. Well, I don't think she's 35. I think she's older than that. Um, I think she just said that because she didn't want to tell him how old she actually is. I would say, I would say she's in her forties. I would say even the age gap, even between her and the older

brother is still like 15 years. Well, the older brother is cougar hunting, you know, and, and, but Pacey's sabotaging his older brother's attempts to secure a date with miss Jacobs, all trapped in her house is just honestly, he did her as wild. Honestly, he did her a goddamn favor. If he's going to pull his fucking gun out at the slightest inconvenience all the time. Oh my God. It happens all the time.

Yeah. Like what the fuck? And their dad is just like, God, son, boys will be boys. Brandon pull gun on each other. I think his dad's a cop too. Yeah. He's a, he's the main guy. Yeah.

He's the chief. So that's probably what his fucking dad did too. Just fucking pulled the gun. My God. And then fucking cops, man. Dude. When Dawson's mom, Dawson's mom confesses to the affair, everyone's in the room. And he, uh, that speech was terrible.

But yeah, we see where Dawson gets his fucking nonsense from. Yeah. He, he definitely takes after her. That was, that was terrible. The dad being the dad, honestly, not very justified anger. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't like what he he like threw a glass right. He broke something. Yeah, I didn't care for that.

But anger justified. Maybe a lot not break things. But yeah, I mean, throwing a glass across the room is probably the, you know, could be a lot worse. Yeah, if that's the extent, then we're fine. Yeah. If that's the extent then we're fine. Throwing a glass across the room and storming out. That's not bad. That's not bad.

I prefer not glass. I prefer something that wasn't glass though. Like throw like a, like a, like a Coke bottle or something. Oh, just what you clean that up and you'll fucking think about that. I was kidding. But, um, but my God, that was, and then he, I just, I felt so bad for him just sitting in the car because like, dude, where'd he go? There's a hurricane. Yeah.

He got a little, like, he got a little scary there too. When he, when they were talking and he was like, get out of the car before I physically remove you from it. And I was like, oh, yeah, that was a little too far. Yeah. You know, but he didn't need to go there. He just, his, his, okay. Yeah, that was a little too far. Yeah, I know, but he didn't need to go there. He just needed to get out of there. Yeah, his anger justified, for sure. Cause he like loved her too, dude.

He was so, he loved her. And they mentioned- Like she was obsessed with her. They mentioned, I think they mentioned that they were married for like five years or so before Dawson. They've been married 20 years. Yeah. You know, 20 years, you got a kid together like that's, and then for like, for such a, you know, a short little fucking link with Bob Hurricane Bob Hurricane Bob, dude, that was that's in the description.

It says a tormented Dawson is left to deal with the fallout. Of course he's tormented. You can describe every single episode of the show as a tormented Dawson. That is very true. Man, this hurricane episode is off the charts. You've seen the meme of James Vanderbeek crying, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I always forget that that came from this. Right. Like that's, but he just does such a good job with Dawson. Like he really, like I, he cry. Yeah. He's fantastic acting from everybody. This, this show is absolutely absurd. Like, but I love it. Like I'm all the way in. I'm a fan. Like I am, I am a fan so far. Like I'm sure that my loyalty will be pushed as we continue to move into seasons.

Cause like, this is like weeds. Do you remember that show weeds? I never watched, I never watched weeds. After season one, it was kind of like, geez. And then after season two, I was like, geez, where do we go from here? And then it was, and it was like, got so cartel-y. And I was like, geez, where do we go from here? And then it was, and it was like, got so cartel-y. And I was like, okay, all right.

It's, it's just gone so far out of the realm of reality that this, you know, it was just, cause that was the best part about season one. It was like just a housewife whose husband died, who was the caregiver kind of fell into selling weed to just pay for their lavish lifestyle to keep it going. Right. And that's what made it so good. And then all of a sudden she's like a kingpin and it's like, yes. Okay.

All right. I didn't, I didn't, I'm not tracking. I never, I never watched weeds, but, uh, this is, yeah, it's, uh, it gets. Crazy. Um, although I mean, it's already crazy. So I don't know if like it gets, it's a different kind of crazy. I don't know if it's crazier than it already is, but you get different kinds of crazy for sure.

It doesn't, it doesn't slow down if that's what you were, that's what you're anticipating. I mean, I, I can't wait to see where we go from here. Like, see, there's what, eight episodes left of season one? Yeah, so we're gonna do a couple more episodes. I think we're doing, we're gonna talk six, seven, and eight. Or wait, no, what did we do? Six through nine, we're gonna do six, seven, eight, nine.

And then 10 through 13. 10 through 13. Four, four, five, four, four. Yeah, yeah. But we, there's a lot to go still. Oh my God. And I'm not peeking ahead. So this is my first watch through. I'm not watching ahead before we discuss.

Like I, like, where do we go from here in the next episode? Like we've got Pacey now officially, and like the way that they are so loose with this shit, like, of course this whole Pacey now officially and like the way that they are so loose with this shit, like of course this whole Pacey teacher thing is gonna just end in a fiery inferno. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're very, he's always trying to fucking hold her hand and kiss her in public. There's a scene where the they're like, in the kitchen, and they fall on each other. And then what uh, what's his name?

His brother comes in. What's his brother's name? Dawson is yelling about it in their room. Like there's no way they're going to keep a lid on it for long. Oh, no, no, no. His brother's name is Doug. That's right. Gay Doug.

That was a very 90s shtick though, where like his, his older brother has a feminine playlist. And so everyone says that he's gay. Like that is a very, I don't think everybody's saying, yeah, I think it's just, I think it's just a little brother being a dick. But yeah, it was very, she goes with it a little bit, right? They do the they do the question game or whatever. And he asked his brother if you could, if you could live in any like show, or if you live in any musical, what would it be? And he has the fucking answer right out the rip.

He's like, oh, I know exactly. That's what sealed the deal. That's what like, you know, she was like, OK, he's good. Yeah. Her gaydar is is on point from her time. That's like, uh, that was such a crazy gaydar comment. That's Michael with Dwight. Do you remember that one where Jim gets Dwight, the gaydar and it's just a metal detector. Yeah. He's like over Oscar and he beeps. And then he does it over himself. He's like over Oscar and he beeps. Yeah, it works. And then he does it over himself. He's like. Oh, shit.

But that's the scene where she like, she's like, oh, it's not a real date because you're gay. And the whole back and forth where he's like, tell her I'm not gay, tell her I'm not gay. It's so fucking funny because it's like crazy. It's one of it's like it's one of those situations like when you get into that argument, like no matter what you do, the person is not going to believe you. Yeah.

No, my God. Have you seen that? There's a denying it like that makes it so much worse. Right. Just like a fucking gun. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That's where it's like, Ooh, yikes.

Okay. Maybe we actually hit a nerve, but if you just, if you just, you know, go with the judge, it's like, it's like my last name, right? Like we won't have to say it for the listeners, but I got a dicey last name that makes people uncomfortable. And so, you know, as a kid, it really makes people uncomfortable. Oh, it makes people wildly uncomfortable Brandon. Every single time that I had a teacher do roll call the very first day. That I could understand because you're in front of teenagers.

You could just see the horror in their eyes. And I would, I would, they would say Heath and I would just finish it for him. Like that was my whole thing. But I had two options. Like I could have been hyper aggressive or I leaned into the joking side of it, right? And it's like, okay, you're gonna make fun of something I can't help.

I'm actually gonna cut you down as a person and make you feel this big. And so it was, you know, I never used my fists, but my God, you know, I learned passive aggressiveness from the best and I could sure could cut someone down with my words. Oh goodness. Um, but, uh, that, yeah, that whole thing cracked me.

I was a tell him, tell him, it's like, uh, there was a, there was a tick tock video I saw the other day and it's like these two guys. And one guy is like, he's like joking with the other guy. He's like, I'm going to count down to five and I'm going to stamp my fingers and you're going to forget that you're gay. He can't send a five. He steps his fingers. The dude's like, wait, no, no, I'm not gay. And he's like, exactly. I've seen that one. It's so good.

There's nothing there's nothing you can say, you know, you got bested. Got him. Oh man, I just, Brandon, like I said, I've never seen this show before. And so when we talked about doing it, I was kind of like, oh yeah, we should definitely do this. And when we talked about doing it, I was kind of like, oh yeah, we should definitely do this. I'm so glad we did this. This was like, I was deathly ill all weekend and I, it was like the highlight of the weekend. You know, it was just, I was all the way in. Like I was all the way into these episodes.

I told you I had like weird Dawson's Creek dreams because I did it before bed. Oh my God. It gets better. This, the, I will say to try not to spoil anything. It gets, the show gets better. And then it like towards the end as normal shows do, it gets a little weird and worse. But six seasons, like this is a four. I feel like this is a prime four to five season. The sixth one was probably two to two to fucking like maybe like two to four, two,

three and four, like prime to four, two, three and four like prime. Yeah. Like, yeah. Amazing. Um, and the whole pacey tomorrow thing is like the worst part of the show. It's like very cringy. And once you get past that, it's not nearly as like, I mean, it's still the 90s, you know, but it's not, it's not, it's no blank check where we've got a police officer grooming a very young child. Yeah. We're not dealing with felonies.

Yeah. There's some light misdemeanors. Like in seventh heaven. I smoked pot. Oh gosh. Seventh heaven. Kelly and I were talking about this because like we were a seven heaven family too. Really?

Yeah. We didn't do Dawson's Creek. We launched seventh heaven on, um, ABC family. Cause it was just, I mean, it was just our show that our family got into, I guess, but I was just shocked through that, that mama D would be okay with seventh heaven. No, it wasn't bad. Uh, Dr. Quinn Woman, like my god, we were big stands for that one. Like we watched every episode of Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.

The thing with 7th Heaven though is just, it's the, like the casual, like implied incest is unreal. Yeah. The, oh my god. With like the two, the two sisters and the older brother. Um, don't they do like a grand, I've sparingly watched Seventh Heaven and I haven't seen it in fucking decades, but I remember he took one of the, he took one of his younger sisters to prom. Um, I believe one of the younger sisters, um, was trying to like, you know, do their like practice or get their first kiss out of the way or whatever. Oh, him and Jessica Beale were going to do their first kiss together.

Yeah. The seventh heaven was, I did not care for seventh heaven. It was very weird. I forgot about that. Yeah. It's like that, uh, did you ever see that again? It was the fucking nins, dude. The 90s was a crazy goddamn time. Oh my God. Like, you have to understand what was on, like, just like celebrity death match was some of the more mild content that was out there. Right. And that was like, just the casual, like, the casual, like sexual harassment

that was everywhere. Yes. But it was I brought the night because the did you ever see the that Folgers commercial from the 90s? Where it's like the brother comes home from college or whatever and like the sexual tension between the brother and the sister and that Folgers commercial is unbelievable. The best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup. Like that song went hard though like that.

Dude, do you once again the shingles remember? Yeah, not as hard as, I don't wanna wait for lines to be over. There you go. What will it be? See, you didn't think you could hit the high notes. You nailed it. Oh man.

All right. Well, this, this, this was like a shot of nostalgia, adrenaline that I didn't know about. The 90s nostalgia for sure. I love that. I'm in man. Like I'm all the way in. The video, the video rental store alone. I was like, I'm all in. Yeah.

Off the charts. Amazing. Like listeners, if you are like me and you have not dove in to Dawson's Creek, my God, saddle up partners, dive on in, do yourselves a favor. This is 1998 television, teenage drama television at its finest. Like CW wishes, CW fucking wishes they could pull off in a modern day Dawson's Creek. What? Oh, WB. That's right. So it is CW. I was trying to remember what, um, what channel this was on when it aired. Is it WB? Oh, is this a CW show? Oh shit. So let me just sound like a fucking idiot.

Right? CW is Warner Brothers, right? Yeah. I thought it was on ABC, I guess. No, it was on WB when that was like a channel. Yeah. It says it right here. And my God, I just I just went guns a blazing with my assumptions. This was on ABC. I don't know where I got that from. Now this wouldn't have been ABC. This was if anything, I could see it on Fox. No, yeah. But uh, be at Tuesdays on the WB.

Alright, so I mean, I'll eat my words because like they've been doing it for forever. Then. Season one of the arrow will always be my favorite. WBCW like that season one arrow, man, they did that right. Yeah. W. Yeah. WB. They did Animaniacs too, right?

Animaniacs. We are the Animaniacs. But this was, like you said, this was... That's another great intro. Animaniacs, Tiny Tune Adventures. Those are some good ones, too. But like you said, this was 1998 right at the beginning. This was the Dawson's Creek is such I feel like I feel like it kind of gets lost a little bit Now but it was such like a cultural phenomenon and it was going on.

It really was. And that's why I was being a dick and rebuked it. Yeah. But like I said, Nick Offerman has talked about how he used to run home so he wouldn't miss the show. Yeah. Cause if you miss that episode, it's over. Oh yeah.

You're missing the episode. Yeah. You gotta hope, uh, somebody taped it for you. Yeah. Um, or you gotta wait for the reruns during the summer, you know. Yeah, my God, that's a fucking disaster. And that's why I never got into these shows, because they were always during basketball practice.

Yeah, yeah. I did not, because again, I was just 98, so I was fucking seven years old. I did not watch this, at least the first couple seasons, I didn't watch while they were happening. I came back to it. But because I would catch like the reruns during the summer. Yeah. Yeah. But, but yeah, it was definitely a cultural phenomenon. Everybody was was talking about it. James Vanderbeek was the heartthrob at the time.

Because like I said, Varsity Blues came out a year after this and that's a kill. That's a goddamn, that's a goddamn movie, dude. Star studded. I, I think I told you during this, like my huge friend group all went to, she's all that, but all of me and the other two buddies, everyone else kind of paired off. And we kind of, we, we didn't realize that was the whole thing for the movie. And we're like, Oh shit, everyone's pairing off for this movie.

We didn't realize it was that kind of movie. And we were like, you know what? Fuck it. We don't want to see this movie anyways. So we snuck in, we snuck out of she's all that and went to varsity blues instead. And to say that that was one of the best decisions I made as a child is an understatement. Like she's all that versus varsity blues. All the other guys were so jealous. Like, dude,

you shouldn't have been the worst and paired up because we saw boobs. Whipped cream boobs. Whipped cream boobs. So I, yeah, I remember, I remember watching the varsity blues when it came out. I didn't see it in theaters because I would have been eight at the time, but I remember my wrenching it from a video store, like right when it came out on VHS or whatever and watching it then. I was still like eight years old when I saw it. Like I mentioned before, my house growing up was the, especially movie wise, was the wild

fucking West. I was watching rated on movies when I was like three years old. I don't know if I've talked to you about this. I had an epiphany the other day because I've been binge watching law and order SVU. I love that. And I used to watch that all the time. Like that was like a, it's like a core memory of my childhood is law and order SVU. Like just being on, just being so, so that was my epiphany. Cause I was talking to other people and I was like, they were like, Oh, I was like, oh, I'm watching it. Like I'm going through lot or SVU again. And I had like three or four people be like, oh, I've never seen that.

I've never watched that. And I was like, how have you never like, that was such, did you not have USA network? Exactly. It's on 24 seven. But God, and it was like, like I had to stay at a hotel for a while and like those SVU and the other, the NCIS, like those are the only shit that was on at all. So I got into them. I hate NCIS, but I had, I have like S long order SVU was such a core part of my

childhood growing up. It was always on. I know every single fucking episode. I've seen it all episodes of multiple times. And then I had that epiphany like the face you gave me when I told you it was a part of my childhood, I started thinking, I was like, that really wasn't appropriate. No, that's- That's like, it was one of the same- do you ever watch Bob's Burgers? Yeah. It's like early on in the show and Linda's talking to Bob and she's like, like Bob has

the epiphany. He's like, oh shit, did I have a bad childhood? And Linda's like, yeah, of course you did. People with good childhoods don't walk like that. Uh, but so when I realized, when I realized I shouldn't have been watching a lot of SVU as a kid, I had that same epiphany. I was like, shit, was my childhood bad? That is a good, uh, wait. Did I have a bad childhood? See, he's talking about like his friend, Mr.

Spatula and stuff. And like how his terrible relationship with his dad. Oh, no, Bob, people with good childhoods don't walk like that. So I was looking up all we were talking about was looking up RCD Blue Connections, because I feel like I would love to do that movie. Because like you said, it's fucking amazing. Whip cream boobs, can't beat it. There's a few very, very tenuous connections. There's a couple people in the music departments of Mighty Ducks, Juan one and varsity blues. And then there's a person in the casting department

of mighty of D three and varsity blues. So we could, we could, we could do it. We could stretch it later on. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but anyways, I'm, I'm Joshua Jackson, Charlie himself as, as Pacey. He crushes it. Yeah. Out of this world.

He's got that Pacey kid from Bustle Creek has a wicked slap shot. He's he is great, though. He's fucking fantastic. I can't I can't wait. He's been crushing it. He's been crushing he is great though. He's fucking fantastic He's been I can't wait. He's been crushing it He's been crushing it lately too if you haven't seen any of his new stuff Like I mentioned there's that weird cruise ship show where he's a doctor that one's weird But he's great in it and then he like a couple years ago. He did a Peacock show called doctor death

Which was I've heard of that one. It says based on a true story, right? Yeah, so there was a podcast years ago that detailed, um, this doctor in Texas that was like killing people, killing people. Um, and it was like, it was like one of the very first podcasts that like, you know, went, you know, that blew up and went viral or whatever. And so the peacock made a show based on that. And he plays the, he plays Dr. Death, the main guy, and he fucking it's a it's

a great show he crushes it so if you haven't been keeping up with uh with Pacey Pacey Conway So so you