The Cake Eaters - 101. Dawson's Creek Season 1: Episodes 6-9

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

The boys have decided to tackle the beast that is Dawson's Creek! This week they go through Season 1: Episodes 6-9. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, Savage Garden, small town healthcare, ferry rides, no more Tamara, Joey emerging as their favorite character, and the constant will they won't they. Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspod Email us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win this! I'll be your dream, I'll be your wish, I'll be your fantasy. I'll be your hope, I'll be your love, be everything that you need. I love you more with every breath, truly, madly, deeply do. I will be strong, I will be faithful, cause I'm counting on a new beginning. A reason for living, a deeper meaning, yeah. Are you ready, Brandon? I wanna stand with you on a mountain. I wanna bathe with you in the sea. I wanna lay like this forever

until the sky falls down on me. Oh my god, Brandon. I couldn't hit the high notes because I've got a lot of chest, like, cold stuff left in there. I say he's about an octave or two ahead above you, but... Oh yeah, I had to bring in the bass line. There was no chance I was going to get through that high part. Wait, hold on.

Have you seen the soccer hooligans? As I was singing it, this TikTok just popped into my head. Have you seen the soccer hooligans like harmonize this? No. I'll be your dream, I'll be your wish, I'll be your fantasy. I'll be your hope. I'll be your love. Be everything that you need. It's awesome. I have not seen that. I'll look that up immediately though. Oh my God. It's my fucking favorite. It reminded me of the Manchester football. Oh my God. What's he singing? He's like, uh, my baby takes a morning train. He works. Oh, dude, I, you've got to look that up. Like, cause he's literally just like the dude from

the mansion, that movie where he's got bald head, super English looking dude. And he just, it literally starts with him picking his head up and he's like, Oh, be your tree. And like, he doesn't try, like, he just sings it. Oh my God. And like when he's like, Oh, be your love, be everything that you need. that you need. Oh, be you love you more with every Beth Dooley madly deeply do. Dude, it's some good shit, man. You got it. I forgot about that until I just started singing that song and now it's the only thing I can think about. But anyways, Brandon, Savage Garden, Savage Garden, this song had a choke hold on American

radio for multiple years. Is it released in 97 still relevant 99. This this one and then I want you we're talking about the chicken cherry cola. Oh my god. That that first Savage Garden Garden album, that had a hold on my life, dude. That was like the soundtrack to elementary school, man. Dude, Heidi had that one. We were always, Chicka Cherry Cola. You get home after having lunch with your crush, you know? Oh my God.

Sing Truly, Madly, Deeply, just fantasizing about, you know. Just cheersing your 2% milk, you know, or your chocolate milks at lunch After you just you showed off to her when you're on the on the playground dude Tether ball, you know, oh my god. Yes little four square. Oh fucking four square Yeah, the ribbon just just being just ripping four square just getting line boys Like I got I had some I had some long reach for four square. So You got the limbs for it. Yeah long reach but poor reaction time. So it's pretty hit or miss In elementary school, I think I've told I think I was told this on the podcast before I peaked as an athlete

well, cuz I I hit my I this on the podcast before. He peaked as an athlete. Well, because I hit my, I hit my growth spurt in like first grade and then it ended in fifth grade. So I was 5'11 in like second grade, third grade. I was fucking massive. And then it stopped real hard stop. Hold on, you know what Kelly and I were talking about was the shin splints. Like when you get that big. Oh my God. I was debilitating. Yes. I was telling her, I was like, I haven't thought about it in the longest time, but like when you get that tall, that quick as a little kid, you can actually feel your bones stretching. And it is, it's pain. Like you just cannot even imagine because your bones stretching and it is it's pain like you just cannot even imagine because your bones

are literally stretching faster than like is oh my god yeah anyways keep going sorry to interrupt your story dude but like it's so funny because kelly and i were just talking about that where and i was like no i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Like I haven't thought about that in a while. And like it just it's unrelenting and there's nothing you can do about it. I used to slather Icy Hot on my legs and I still have a I have a bald spot on my left leg, like on the back from where the hair won't grow. So I see how I put on. That's fantastic.

We just we took some Tylenol, some kid Tylenol and that was it man. Just toughed it out. Just tough, tough midwest kids. The main point of that story was I was a, I was a fucking fiend at Foursquare because I was so much taller than everybody else. I love it. All right Brandon, tell the people what we are up to in this recording. Why did we sing Savage Garden? I mean, we honestly we need to sing more Savage Garden. If anything. But you think that other song has actual words because like I all I ever hear is you know, little scat, cherry cola. I did the same thing you did when when episode nine hit and I was like, fuck

you, I forgot about this song. And then I went on a deep Savage Garden research hole and that was the song I was trying to remember. I was like, there's another song that they did. I couldn't remember what the lyrics were or whatever. And so I was looking it up and I found it. It's I Want You is the name of the song and that's the chicka-chiricola.

And so I did look up the lyrics. There are lyrics. Oh, he just thinks it's so fast, man. Yeah. I mean, shout out to the first white rapper, right? No, I'm kidding. Darren Hayes is his name. Put some respect on that.

Darren Hayes. But Savage Garden we're singing cause of Dawson's Creek. The first thing I'm doing after this brand, I'm sorry. I know this is like four thoughts in a row, but I'm going on Spotify and I'm jumping in and I'm searching Dawson's Creek season one because I need to listen to that on the regular it's, it's the hot fire this morning. I watched no less than 30 Savage garden YouTube music videos and my algorithm is fucked.

That's the way I mean, I have this like, I like certain, I have this certain German drinking song that I enjoy every October and it's a kid's song that they turn into a German dream song. And it's, it's the Das Fliegerleid is what it's called, the flyer. And, and once that starts going, and also for big, big poker fans, you know, Apple Beaches pumpkin pie. Old, old grandpa Dale was a big, big poker guy. Yeah. And I used to bartend, poker dances as we've spoken about on the pond. So anyways, Dawson's Creek brand name,

we're in our second wave of episodes, episodes six through nine. That's what she said, right? See, I don't know. I tried to do a 69 joke in there. It's nice. Yeah, nice. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, you. Remember that? Yeah.

You don't say 69, you do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah, 69. This is the- You do that on purpose, bring in any perv. Oh, no, I didn't. I was just trying to- I didn't even notice that until now. I was like, nice. I didn't do that on purpose. But this is a, this is a solid, this is the, the heart of the season, the middle of it is a solid stretch of wild episodes.

I am so in brand new characters. So I have so many thoughts on so many things, but like I said this when we kicked off offline, I'm so in on this show. It is ridiculous. Like I missed it in the nineties. I'm glad I missed it in the nineties. I am so in and I'm watching it like it's never been out before. It's easy to avoid spoilers in shows that are that old, because it's not going to accidentally hop on your algorithm.

All of a sudden get Dawson's Creek spoilers for season three. But my God, I, I love it all. I'm completely obsessed. Joey's my favorite. Oh, Joey's a fucking. That's why. Oh my God. I love it. She's just the worst kind of, oh my God.

Her sudden snaps, dude, are just unbelievable. It's my God. I love like, she's just the worst kind of, oh my God. Her sudden snaps, dude, are just unfucking believable. It's my favorite. So Kelly also yelled at me for loving Joey so much. She's like, what's your fucking deal with Joey? I was like, she should be so much worse than this. Her mom died. You should know this, Brandon. Dead mom trauma. Speaking of which, she brings it up again. We got dead mom trauma. We've got dad in the county jail for drugs. And we've got sister who the baby episode was really good shit too. Oh my god. Maybe it was one of the new, uh, new characters. Billy is the other one. The baby was a new character brand in

Jesus Christ. Also the first thing Kelly said, she's like, oh my God, that's like a six month old baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a real old baby. The baby was huge. No wonder she had such trouble getting it out. Six months old. Oh my God.

That whole scene with like the grandma and Michelle Williams. Graham's cousin and clutch. Graham seems to get it. Grams is so good at just, but like the way she messages some stuff, it's like, okay, you got to, like, I just, I need Grams to understand her audience more. You know, it's like, like if you, if she would understand her audience, more of her messaging would go through, I feel. That's not, that's not Grams style.

That's not how grandmas work Keith grandmas are very at least my grandma. My my Nana I should say. She was very she was the same way where she was like she was gonna do things her way and her way all the time. And you either fucking fell in line or she was gonna fucking let you know that you were messing up. Oh, man, you know, grandmasama was not as religious as Graham's though. So it was, it was more just her, her general judgment and distaste for you as a person rather than you not following her religion.

You know, listen, we're, we're very Midwest, right? So any, any ill will or ill feelings was buried through deep layers of passive. Oh, see. Yeah. My, my grandma was born and bred Boston. So she was, Oh my God. So you heard about it. You know, grandma Tizzy was the best though on holidays cause you could always tell when she had just a little bit too much of the cheap wine that we've been like this, swear to God they did break it like fucking Boone's farm. But the cheap wine that we like this. Swear to God, they break it like fucking Boone's farm.

But I was just starting to see a wine cooler. Like, like, like Boone's farm wine. Like, you know, I'm talking about my family was really big into wine coolers for some reason. Oh, dude, it was like it was literally like clockwork, though. Grandma Tizzy's cheeks would get really red and then she'd start. She would start getting real. She'd want to give you a little kiss on the cheek and she'd start getting real giggly and stuff. Oh, it's really funny.

And then my, my grandpa, Norb, you know, he was, uh, he is Norbert. Is his name. So we called him Norb, Norb and Tizzy Brandon. That's shout out. You know, that's a Midwestern, Midwestern couple's name. Oh my God. They lived in Laurel, Nebraska on the hill. It was like a town of 500 people.

It's really good shit. It's good shit. But yeah, he's an old curmudgeon. That's where I get that from. Like all of like the curmudgeon-ness comes from Norb. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a good guy, but my God, he would get grumpy about stuff. Just an old farmer, you know? Anyways, I do want to get your small town expertise about this baby episode, especially with the, you know, the whole not being able to get an ambulance living in the middle of nowhere. Oh my God. Brandon, this is why I'm from, this is why you give me shit about being from Iowa.

This is why I was born in Sioux City. My mom's doctor was on vacation and the backup was some Yehu that she didn't trust. And so they booked it to Sioux City. She's like, fuck this shit. I'm not having that fucking hack job give birth in, and cause like my sister had all kinds of issues too. Um, I was perfect of course, but, um, but yeah, this is, this is,

well, it's, it's literally not my fault. Brandon like blame the doctor that was on vacation. I'm just saying this, this baby was still born in Massachusetts. So it's so especially on the island, like in them having one ambulance, that totally makes sense. Like it's way to go to the city first. Yeah, yeah, like, because that like, that makes total sense. It's the same thing is like, like Laurel Wakefield Pender, like they

have like, one fire truck, one ambulance've, if they're out in the country, helping someone who lost a hand or a finger, it might take it like 20 minutes for them to get back into town to come pick you up. Um, but with water, it makes even more sense. Like, like I think of like Wilmington Island, like if any reason the bridge was damaged or there was an accident on the bridge that slowed it down, everyone on Tybee and Wilmington, you're just fucking waiting, dude. Yeah, you're just lucky.

Well, yeah, and so that actually was very believable. Yeah, well, and then with Joey and Bessie, she, first of all, she gets her fucking truck stuck while she's fucking giving birth. What a goddamn maniac. Oh my God, dude. Could you, so she's in so much pain and that she accidentally drives her truck off the road.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's how we start like guy, Brady, this is why I fucking love this show. Right. Well, then they mentioned- We're kicking off the episode and it's just like, we're going, we're giving birth. They mentioned their- We're gonna get grams involved. Like this- I'll say they mentioned, uh, they don't have the episode. It's just we're going we're giving birth. They mentioned they're grams involved

like this. They mentioned uh they don't have the phone the phone doesn't work so they gotta they gotta go to Dawson's to just use the phone to call the ambulance. Oh my god dude landlines do you remember having to memorize people's fucking phone numbers? Oh yeah of course. Oh my god dude I still my, you know, parents landline phone number. That'll never leave my brain. I know that's in there for good. Yeah. But then so they don't have the phone, they got to go to Dawson.

So they're rowing across the creek. Just to get to Dawson's house. And I love, I love their interaction on the boat is great. When she's all you're rowing like a girl, I'm gonna start calling you fucking Josephine. Her pregnant yelling at Joey was incredible. Joey freaks out cause she thinks the boat's leaking. I'll be honest with you. There had to have been nothing more traumatizing for those teenagers

than watching someone give birth. I would have vomited all over the floor. Especially as traumatic as like complications. Oh my gosh, she's bleeding out. Like the first like pool of blood, I would have tossed my cookies all over the rug, Brandon. I, there is just, I mean, I'll be terrible at poor Kelly. Like if she, like, I will be the, you know, the significant other, if Kelly has a kid and I get south of the equator, I'm going to pass out. Like there's a 0% chance that I don't pass out.

I love how you phrase that. If Kelly has a kid. Yeah, she's, she's the one. Yeah. You won't be involved at all. First of all, me, like just keep me north of the equator. You can grip my hand. Just don't do the right one. It's a little janky, but like, you know, you can grip my hand and you do all those things. If I see any of the blood, I'm either going to pass out or throw up. It's just, it's just a fact.

I don't even like my own blood. I don't like, I just, I can't do it. It makes me a little nauseous even just like thinking about this made up scenario. Like it's actually making me a little sick to my stomach. I don't care. I don't mind. I don't like blood, but I don't get nauseous with it or anything. I definitely would not have handled this situation well at all though.

Especially if I'm, if I'm just, uh, if if I'm like if I'm Dawson I'm fucking he breaks out the video tape camera I would have fucking bailed I'd have been like feel free to use the house let me know when you're done. I'll be down at the coffee shop. Could you imagine what a disaster I would have been in war like my neighbor gets shot and I'm just like, hurrah, throwing up on him. Let me staunch the blood. Just, just wasn't built for that, I guess. Oh, but this, so, oh my, okay. But what we, so the baby is like the main thing,

but then we also get the breakup of Pancy in Tamara. I was going to say, Brandon, the best part, the best part of this stretch is no more Tamara. We're done. I just, I mean, personally, I could not handle any more normalization of statutory rape, right? Like my God, we just, we got to cut it. I can hear every dad from the 90s just sitting in his living room like, haha, nice. Pacey, wish I was him. But my god, you know, like, dude, she groomed him from the beginning. If she wouldn't have been like, graduate, baby, she should have done a better job grooming him though, because the dude just could not keep his mouth shut. Well, first of all, let's go on a date. Are you fucking stupid? This is he's 15 years old and you took his virginity and he's been rejected by every girl in his high school.

The the possibility of him falling uncontrollably in love with you and being unable to regulate his emotion is 100%. It's just keep your mouth shut. If you like, listen, have you met a teenage, a 15 year old boy? Like, dude, that is that a while. They're savages. Do you not remember being a 15 year old boy. Like dude, that is that a while there. They're savages. Do you not remember being a 15 year old boy? My God, we were the worst. That's the fucking best, dude. Really? I was an idiot.

I was I was just as terrible as I am now. If I I will say like all I can think about is I think I hate Dawson because I was just Dawson with a little bit of an edge, right? Like when they're like, Oh, that nice when they're like, Oh, yeah, that nice leery boy. And I was like, Oh, my god, the amount of times Oh, it's just, you know, he's such a nice boy. I'm surprised. It's a couple episodes later, but I'm just gonna jump ahead because because we're shitting on Dawson right now. I think it's the boyfriend episode.

Um, and when he walks up to, um, um, Jen at the dock and he goes, I forget exactly what he says, but he says something like, um, I've always considered myself like, uh, for somebody who considers himself like in, in, uh, like the nicest man in the world or some shit, I forget exactly what he says. But he's like, for somebody who could send himself such a nice guy, I do an awful lot of apologizing. And I was like, you fucking son of a bitch. Hey, you're not nice. Oh, my way. Hold on. Sorry, not to interrupt again. But speaking of Dawson, have you heard of the show? The the B from apartment 23? Yeah, it was a couple years ago. Yeah. Have you heard about what's going on with Vanderbeek now?

No, no, but Kelly started rewatching that show cause I guess he's like the worst about being Dawson in that show, like it's a whole stick. And so like me watching this has, yeah. And so like me watching this has like spurned her into watching that because him being himself, James Vanderbeek in, in that show is really funny. She says, especially as she's like watching him be Dawson and be the worst. Uh, uh, yeah, that, that was, I didn't watch the full show, but I watched a good, uh, a couple episodes of it.

It was pretty good, but he, uh, I forget exactly what it was. Maybe it, a couple episodes of it. It was pretty good. But he, I forget exactly when it was, maybe it was a couple months ago. He's got a, or maybe a month ago or so, he's got like severe, severe cancer. Like he's on. Oh, Jesus, really? Yeah. Oh, that's incredibly sad.

I think he's like even selling, like selling stuff to pay, to pay for it. Oh dude, that's really sad. We think he's like even selling like selling stuff to pay to pay for it. Oh Dude, that's really sad. We should hop on and buy something Did it all buy some? I wonder if he's gonna need I know he's good. I know he's was selling like some varsity blue shit I wonder if he's selling a Dawson's Creek, dude If he has some Dawson's Creek shit, will you send me that link cuz I'll help him out. That's really sad Kelly and I could you know do an autographed poster poster of Dustin's Creek somewhere in the house or something.

Oh yeah, he's got, uh, last month or I guess when this episode airs two months ago, he announced he has, uh, like severe colon cancer. Oh no. Yeah, that's tough, man. Poor guy. Oh yeah, I'll try to see if he, what all he's, uh, yeah, that's tough, man. We're good. Oh, yeah, I'll try to see if he what all he's. Yeah, stage three. Oh, I don't know anything.

I don't know anything about the stages, but anything, anything above zero does not sound great. Now, when colon cancer is that's like the worst one, right? That's like the worst one. That's as far as I know. Great. And I'm not a doctor. Well, and I don't know shit about anything, right? But from everything that I know, that's... I think that's the one that like moves the quickest, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, baby. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a that's a real bummer. All right. Let's let's let's shout out James. You know, we're thinking about you and we're going to buy some of your good shit when we have a chance to hop on Alright, so let's keep digging into baby because maybe oh do you want to do you want to get take a guess at the name? the original name number movie themed I don't know baby giraffe

Boss, baby Boss, baby, I do remember boss, baby. You're close. It's look who's talking. Oh, I do. Oh my God. I love those movies. I thought those movies are the fucking worst John. What? Those movies were the worst. We, uh, they never at PP and the party. And the Bruce Willis do the babies voice.

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I love those movies. Look who's talking now when they get the baby. I love that. I love that. I love that. ever at PP in the party. PP in the Bruce Willis do the babies voice. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I love those movies. Look who's talking now when they'd get, throw the dogs in there.

Son of a bitch. Genius. I, I thought that was peak comedy as a kid. Yes. Got the dogs talking. It's like, Oh my God, look who's talking. Basically did a, a Homeward Bound episode. Oh, fantastic.

But see, so, uh, go, go back to baby, um, Pacey's being a fucking maniac. Not only is he talking about getting, trying to get her to go on a date and then he's in the fucking bathroom, doesn't do a courtesy check. Well, he thought he did, right? He looked under and the kid smoking was standing on that. But how do you not smell the cigarette? Yeah. You know, like you see the smoke, you smell the cigarette, you know, like it's, you know, dude is in there smoking in the stall,

even though you can't see his feet. It was, it was rough. It was a rough look for Pacey. Yeah. And then she goes up in front of the school board and he gets lawyered up on juicy. It's like you want to talk. Oh, that really hurt his feelings, you know, and he, he fell on the sword. Like that lady fucked up his life. He falls on the sword. Now he's

getting roasted by his classmates again, because they think he just made it up to look cool. Yeah. Oh, it's a real bummer for Pacey. I love Pacey. Pacey's tight. His brother's a fucking dick though. Oh my God. His brother is a complete lunatic. Yeah. One thing I want to point out though, so after he blabs in the bathroom, the smoking kid starts spreading the rumor telling everybody. He finds out and Dawson gives him, so honestly, some solid advice given the situation. He says, if you go out there and you act like a sad little boy, everybody's going to know it's true. But just go out there and, you know, own it and tell people you fucking lied.

We just go out there and, you know, own it and tell people you fucking lied. You know? And so one thing I want to point out there, so he has, they show him like to the little walker shame through the hallway or whatever, and everybody's laughing at him. And then he gets to the end of the hall, he turns the corner and he like stops up against like a bulletin board or whatever. Did you see some of the goodies that were on the bulletin board? Of course I didn't. Of course I didn't. Of course I didn't.

Dude, there were, there were a couple of dare stickers. Oh, I, I mean that the dare posters in the background have been fantastic. Yeah, dude. Amazing. I got a, I had to give me some stickers or something from dare. Yeah. That lion was cool as shit. Yeah. Yeah. I saw the, the, the deer stickers on the, on the wall. And I was like, dude, 90s, man. I mean, no one thought deer was cool, but it was fun.

It's cool. Now I think it's cool now. Yeah. Oh my God. I, I, I resist all the drugs, Brandon straight edge, baby. I'm CM punk straight edge superstar. Um, but yeah, so I, I don't know. I'm CM punk straight edge superstar. Um, but, but yeah, so I don't know. I felt bad for Pacey. Um,

he had to fall on that sword. Ms Jacobs just runs off to a new town to go inappropriately have another 15 year old. I mean, that was the first smart thing she did was, was, you know, town you can't, there's no coming back from, you can't recover from that. Yeah. That's, that's, yeah. And it's too bad because her beach house was pretty sweet. Yeah. But now she's living with her sister, Rochester. Well, maybe, I don't know.

Rochester is not Cape Cod or whatever it is Cape town. Are you dissing the flower city right now? I guess. I guess she's not gonna have fucking place on the water. Rochester kitchen straight, Rochester is on the water. Oh, is it? It's on one of the great lakes. I don't know any.

I don't know anything about Upper New York. That is if we're talking about Rochester, New York. There are a lot of Rochester's. They could be slipping something by us, but I imagine it's Rochester, New York. Either way, that was, I'm glad we wrapped that up though, because that was a little rough. It was the most awkward. It was the worst storyline, but she's gone. It aged the worst.

That storyline absolutely aged terribly. But now I'm glad that we're. Yep. We've moved on. They do. Just they do mention. They do mention her a couple of times in later seasons, but she she never comes back. Yeah, good, good. And then we have a baby, right?

I didn't really I don't know. I missed the baby's name. I didn't realize it was baby Alexander. Did you know that? Yeah. I forgot what the name was, but there's a whole scene where she says the name. Did it have any meaning? I don't think so. I remember they named it after their prison dad. No, I remember Joey being a bitch about it though, being like, why would you name the kid? You know, well, classic Joey. Well, Joey did run out on her while she is bleeding out. So she did. You fucking bailed, dude.

Well, she had that PTSD going back to again, her mom, dead mom, fucking shit weaponizing it again. That's Brandon. I feel, I feel like you should have so much more empathy for Joey than you do. I actually, I do. Cause she, she, she fucking had to watch it go down. Mine was car accidents. So it was, you know, blink of an eye and over, which is so much better than what, you know, watching it on your bed. It was cancer, wasn't it?

I think your mom had cancer, right? Yeah. Yeah. So to go through that, that's so much worse. Yeah. Yeah, that is. And like I said, dude, and then her dad goes to jail for drugs. Like she should be so much worse, but Katie, Katie Holmes, like side eye and glares

and facial expressions. She's a perfect, her that, her fucking constant mood swings. Her like, like one line of snaps where she's like talking to you all nice. And then she says the meanest thing ever to you. It's like classic teenager. Oh my God. Right. And like a teenage, a 15 year old girl that has been through the wringer and is the town pariah for no reason

of her own. She's actually a really good girl. Um, dude, I loved it. She's my favorite character. It's I Katie Holmes as Joey is lights out in this show. And then of course, like Pacey, did you see Josh Jackson's abs in the, we'll get to the next episode here in a second. But you know, yeah, what he's just has a shirt off all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I get it right. Like if I had abs, I might have my shirt off more. Yeah. If I looked like that, I would I would never wear a shirt. Yeah, I would get it. I would my career would be lifeguard just so I would never have to wear a shirt. You're in high school and you're like, right, what profession can I be half-clothed at all times? That's the only one I can think about in my head. What else?

I guess professional wrestler. Yeah, oh. That is a dream. That's better than lifeguard. I'm gonna go with that. Well, as long as I'm a professional, like, I don't want to be doing it at like, You don't want to be doing it at like, you don't want back. You're in Alex. Yeah. Yeah. Backyard wrestling. Although that's fucking I send them to you every once in a while.

Those fucking Instagram backyard wrestling federations are a fucking riot. Yeah. It's oh, then the other thing is like reminds me of workaholics. So that episode, my God, is a great one. Those I love. The ones I hate are the like indie wrestling ones. I don't know when fucking fluorescent light bulbs became the go-to thing, but those ones where it's like like indie, indie wrestling and it's a dude who's like jumping through a stack of 400 light bulbs and you know his take-home pay for that night is $30.

It's like, what are we doing guys? Like I get the, I get the love of the game, but what are we doing here? Some people are masochist Brandon. I guess I can't watch those. Those are the light bulbs. But broken glass shards in the skin. Or I'm not a big fan of that either. That's, that's usually not my Steve.

I don't know when that became the fucking like go to, but I hate it. I hate it so much. I mean, you can use, uh, um, one of them in the wrestling game, like in WWE 24. Yeah. I don't mind one. You want to do one. That's fine. But like when it's like, when there's the tax, I hate the fucking tax. Oh, it's tax. And that's why a W they say that's why a W is struggling because it's just a little bit too gory. You know, it's like old WCW when they just like, I don't want to see a dude's body covered in tax and blood everywhere.

I just told you, you know, blood makes me uncomfortable. Anyways, you know, who's the, who I love. I love John Boxley, but he will, he will take any opportunity to like do the razor blade on his forehead and just like, and it's like, John, John, we don't need to do that right now. We're fine. Yeah, you're having a, you're having a tag team match, bro. Calm down. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not even, it's, it's not even no Deque. Yeah, we don't, it's a regular match, you match, bro. Calm down. Yeah. It's, it's, it's not even, it's not even no Deque.

Yeah. It was a regular match, you know? But that's it. Rick Flair loved that shit too. Back in the day. Yeah. He was, he got so bad that eventually you didn't even have to use a razor. It just split open.

Yeah. But yeah. And then it was his white hair. That was always the craziest. Oh my God. He'd like take it and like push it back on his hair. Yeah. But yeah. And then it was his white hair. That was always the craziest. Oh my God. He'd like take it and like push it back on his hair. Yeah. All right.

So listen, don't, don't get me started. Brandon. Don't get me started. We can talk about it all day, but let's, um, do you have anything left to say about the first episode of the, like, I'm like, like we said, having the baby, it wrapped that storyline love that we got rid of the PC tomorrow. Yep. That's over.

I was like, we got some more, um, relationship building with grams, grams and Jen, um, as well as an engine. Yeah. And the Dawson Joey, we have the little heart to heart where, uh, she, she tells a story about her, her mom. Um, it's a, that's a too exciting. Nothing. Just wrapping up the Tamara storyline was, was the, was the best for sure. Yeah. And it was, they did a good job with like the baby drama, you know, I thought that was good. Yeah.

Was this the episode where his parents were like seeing a counselor and it just seems like it's not going super well? Or is that the next one? Well, so this is when they left. They left for like the weekend to go to the counselor. Okay. Um, and then the next episode is when they come back and that, yeah, it's not going well. Um, cause the fucking counselor they're seeing is telling them to go scuba diving and bungee jumping and it's what, what the fuck is this?

That is never the right solution. That's like, that's like telling them to do an anchor baby. It's like, you know what? Yeah. Cause scuba diving, scuba diving. I love the ocean. Um, so much scuba diving. Fucks me up. I won't ever get scuba diving fucks me up. I won't ever get scuba certified. I did that. I made the mistake of going into a deep dive

on every possible thing that could go wrong when you go scuba diving and it fucking scared the shit out of me. Well, you'll never get the bends Brandon. Exactly. Dude, that's, I thank God. That's just the fucking worst. Or when people go scuba diving in like caves, what the fuck are we doing?

When they go spelunking? Dude, so sorry, but spelunking doesn't come up very often. And when in the Terrence and Philip movie, in the South Park movie, when he like eat shit you ass-splunker Oh my god, dude. That was in the rotation of insults for sure There are a lot of ass-splunkers out there, but I say that to One thing you kind of want when you're going scuba diving is to be able to trust your partner

You know who I'm not trusting is the my my wife that just cheated on me with Bob. 62 days of banging Bob. Sorry. I just, I just thought you were going to say, well, cause you just got to end it. It's once, once you step out, it's over. Once someone said the trust is broken It's you to me 20 years together though. That's a long time to just Yeah, but my opinion my humble opinion is once someone steps out and breaks that truck that trust

It's over. It's it's it's the beginning and the end. Because even if you hold on five, 10, 15 years longer, it's eventually going to come back. Or the other person steps out, right? As like punishment or payback if things start not going well. I mean, we could just open it up. I think he mentions it. Maybe it's in the detention episode. Let's just start swinging. Yeah. Get the upside down pineapple on the cruise ship, right? Isn't that the thing? Isn't that what they do? I thought I saw that on it. It's a pineapple for sure. I don't know if upside. I don't know what upside down. Oh, I thought it was upside. It's for sure. I don't know. I know it's a pineapple though. When I

would go to fucking visit Danny's, Danny's parents have a house in Surfside Beach, like just out the Myrtle. Oh, nice. And you go out there and fucking all the houses with your fucking pineapple flags hanging from the door. That's ridiculous. My God. You can tell I bet I bet there's like two like most of them for sure like the swingers. But I bet you there's just two like old ladies are just like pineapples and they're just like, Oh, did you see that pretty pineapple flag from Jim down the street Jim and Nancy? That's nice.

Yeah, it's just one or two ladies that are just like I just like pineapples. I like the acidic taste and how it feels like it's eating my mouth back. It's too acidic for me. If you eat too much pineapple, it feels like it's eating you back. So you say that, okay. So you say that, I think you're allergic to pineapple is what what I, cause it's, yeah. Cause I, so I, is this like Kelly with Amis?

Probably. So I say this because sometimes my mouth burns when I eat it. I say this because I had a, I had a girlfriend in high school where she had, she did the same exact thing you did, where she was like, I don't like pineapples. Cause it's like, it's like, you know, it hurts my mouth. And it's like, okay, you're allergic to pineapple. No, it just, it just hurts when you eat it. Like it's acidic from the pineapple.

It doesn't hurt. It's not supposed to hurt though. If it hurts, you're probably allergic to it. It's what my guess would be. Brandon, let me just answer you like Mamadi or Big Mike would. It's like, that sounds like made up, you know, city bullshit. Just keep joking. That's like when the boyfriend is skipping ahead again.

It's episode eight after spoiler alert, after Joey drunkenly kisses Dawson, and they're like rowing back, right? Him and Pacey are rowing back to his house. And he's like, Pacey's like, dude, she's in love with you. And Dawson goes on this fucking rant where he's like, he like basically says he's like, what does he see? He's like, Joe, just things are so things with Joey are good because you know, I don't have to say anything.

We're just on the same wavelength. We get each other. She, you know, he basically describes love. And then he goes on to be like, that's not love. What do you, he is the worst. Oh, we did skip ahead though. Cause the, the, the Leary family tensions are episode eight and boyfriend as well. Okay.3.

How can it not be? It was a beautiful ode to the breakfast club. It was just the, and, and the, excuse me, the girl that came in outside of the core group, Abby, she was Bender, like her doing the Bender shit where she's like, just like how he poked it What's her face inappropriately about her being a virgin and that? Hiding the weed down the one Pants that was really good shit, but Abby playing Bender

I am as soon and like the way they all like Started getting detention fucking loved all of that. Like it was weird that Katie Holmes didn't get like she got detention not for beating the shit out of the dude in the lunch line. Like it was just sitting right there. Oh, it was. Oh, sorry. Oh, no.

She did say that. Sorry. I got no, I got her mixed up with the other girl. The Abby girl. Sorry. Oh, the Abby girl, sorry. Oh, the tardys. Yeah. Yeah. I got those where she was teased. The boys room ecstasy gangbang. Yeah. Oh my God. That's the most nineties thing ever to just assume like the, you know, the dare ads.

Like ecstasy makes you a sex craze orgy monger. And why are we doing ecstasy in the boys locker room? Have you ever, have you ever showered in the boys locker room on ecstasy Brandon? I mean, that would be a wild experience though. Just turning all the showers. Oh, do do do do dance and do the showers. The only worry is that you might slip. Oh yeah. That music's going hard and you got all the showers rocking like you

just might slip and fall. Oh gosh. But, um, I, as soon as they, like the first person got detention, I was like, Oh my God, are they doing a breakfast club episode? And then they all got, I was like, Oh my God, they're doing a breakfast club episode. This is so good. It's so, this is, this episode is where I was like, mother of God, I am so in on this show. I fucking love Dawson's Creek. I love this show. I love watching this show 30 years later. Like it's like a brand new show that just came out.

It's absurd, but I'm having so much fun doing it. It's good shit. This is, this is peak Dawson's Creek for sure. Oh my God. Even, even going to a, when, when, when Mrs. Tringle that recorded all of her soaps on the VHS and was just in the, in the A.B. room. Just crushing through days of our lives, man.

Oh my God. I loved everything about that too. The only thing I could think of is like, who's taping those for? Cause someone's gotta physically be taping those. It's not like a DVR. You can, you can set time, timers to it though like a DVR. You can set timers to it though. Especially 1999, you can set timers to it.

Geez, we, yeah, I guess, yeah, I don't know. We just, we were always there. We were always present to hit record. You could, yeah, if you had like, especially 1999, cause that was- Oh, they had them in the TVs. Yeah, yeah, a bunch of TVs had them. And that was like the- That was, uh, uh, they had them in the TVs. Yeah. Yeah. A bunch of TVs had them. And that was like the, that was to do like, how many, how was like the tail art and the VCR in your TV, having the VCR DVD combo in your TV. Oh my God.

But yeah, at that point in time, you could definitely, you could, um, you put the, you put your blank tape in and you set the, the recording time. Um, Jen Jen knew Jen's was coming as soon as she first started back talking that New York city attitude. Isn't gonna, isn't gonna cut it here. Missy. Yeah. Big city girl. Yeah. That teacher was a fucking dick though, man. Yeah. He played the character very well. Did you see my favorite part though is when fucking Dawson Fucking crams slams a Pacey's fucking face at the basketball Did you catch the little the little I guess goof for the air and that scene so he throws it and the

air and that scene. So he throws it and the, the, the, cause the camera is facing Pacey. And so what happens is the ball, it hits Pacey's face and it comes, it shoots back, right? Cause that's how physics works. It hits the camera and then shoots the other way. If you, if you pay attention to it, it's in the cut where the ball bounces off the camera and goes the opposite way. Okay. So this moment in the show, like brought back, like a visceral memory from middle school that I literally just talked about the last time I was home where my buddy who I as bet, like we literally had a play date, I think the first time when we were five years old, right? Like we've known each other forever.

Yeah. We are walking in middle school. So our, did your mid, our middle school got closed down because of all the bat droppings and mold. So they had to like close it down. We talked about this before, but you say that as if normal. Yeah. And then we went to school. The bat droppings isn't an event that everybody's aware of. Like, it says, because like, dude, that shit is poisonous for you to breathe in. Like, it is not good. And so anyways, we were in

the mods, right? And so we had to walk everywhere with our book bags full of all of our books, because we didn't have lockers, we just when we would stand outside in the snow. But anyways, so we're walking back from the locker room from gym and my buddy Ryan is just, this dude is just fucking with him and Ryan starts to lose his cool, loses his cool. Finally he lost his cool and he just swings his backpack at him. Like not, not intending to hurt him, but just to be like, dude, fuck you, get away.

Forgetting that it's full of all of his books hits him in the face, breaks his nose and he just drops to the ground and is like fucking squealing like, and oh my God, we, we just talked about it a few months ago when we hung out and to have this happen. I was like, Oh my God, breaking jerky's nose. I need to text him actually. It's like, yo, I just saw this part in a movie that reminded me when you broke jerky's nose. Great shit. Because I was like, just right behind him, be, you know, just

talking with someone else, watched it all unfold. It was really good shit. But anyways, so that reminded me of that. But I also just the fact that they went to the gym and, and you know, get a motherfucking scholarship, like it is just the the ode to Breakfast Club Like it was just the, the ode to breakfast club. It just hit all of the nostalgia. I'm not even like that big of a fan of the movie. Like it's great. I love it, but I'm not like, we've we talked about it on this on this

podcast. Oh, my God, if anybody wants to go take a listen, go, go back and listen to the breakfast club episode, like 13 or 14. Take a listen. Go back and listen to the breakfast club episode. Like 13 or 14, something like that. It was anyways. And just Abby stirring the pie with the game of truth or dare and them all.

Just turning on each other. Well, they all like, she knew what she was doing and they all just fell for it hook line and sinker. Like, you know, like just don't buy into her bringing the chaos, but they just, they just fell right into her trap. Classic Abby dude. Um, dude, but Pacey and Joey, when they kissed, Pacey and Jen. No. Oh yeah. Shit. Sorry. I'm like,

Pacey and Jen and then, uh, that was, oh, yeah shit. Sorry. I'm not seeing Jen and then that's what I meant. That was an Joe Dawson and Joey. Oh my god, Joey Joey Joey puts her hand on Dawson's face when they're when they're kissing. Yeah, that's that's that's how you know, yeah well in her just being so mean to Jen because she likes Dawson and Jen's like, okay, I know you like Dawson It's not my fault that he likes me. Yeah, it's just That's the thing. Everybody is like Everybody's like it's obvious you're in love with him and Then during truth or dare basis like who do you like, you know, and she's like, I'll do a dare

that's okay fucking And then she has the, the, the part, the part where she's talking about how she's, she's a virgin and she's, she's never going to be a non-virgin because she already found the person that she wants to fuck. She's like fucking crying. And it's like, what are we doing here? What do we like to be young and in love again? He's, oh my God. And this is also at a time when like all the movies, like American pie,

like losing your virginity had a weird choke hold on American popular culture. And like what episode or whatever we talked about this before virginity was like a, I don't know. But uh, like the, the eighties, like late eighties through the nineties, maybe even early eighties, like virginity was such a weird, like people were obsessed with it. It was insane. Yeah. And if you, it was like, if you were a guy and you were a virgin, you were a nerd, but if you were a girl and you were not a virgin, you are a slut. And we see this with the way they handle Jen's history in the show is insane. Insanely double-stated. They judge her so fucking harshly for her New York stuff.

And Dossett's mean to her. Right? Like in the next episode with the boyfriend, he's like, is this the guy that you were caught on your parents' bed with? Yeah. And then he like brings it up. Billy says like, me and Jen have a history. She's known me way longer than you.

And he goes, yeah, you and everybody else. Yeah. He just like anytime he gets a chance to throw it in her face, he does, which is such a fucking dick move. Yeah, it's it's the double standard where fucking 90s man. Joey's secret longing for Dawson threatens to reveal itself. It's like, I think it revealed itself. That's the crazy thing about the next episode, when Pacey and Dawson are having the thing, and Dawson's like, oh yeah, we're just friends. And it's like, dude, were you not there for the last episode? She is obvious. I mean, but like, this is where, uh, between the road trip episode and the boyfriend episode, I was like, uh, like Dawson has the game of a young Heath.

Like it is, it is atrociously bad. It is just, it worked on Nina, 85 year old Nina. That's, and so once again, Dawson has, but like his approach in that bar is exactly how I would have done it too. And it would have, it would have been a train wreck that like actually as I was watching that episode, as I was like, Jesus Christ, thank God that I just happened to check all of Kelly's boxes weirdly. Otherwise, I would been like, who the fuck is gonna fall for any like, I'm not smooth. I'm not cool. Like, it's it would it's just Dawson at that bar. Like that is me, like trying to like, talk to someone. And that's all I could think of. It's just like, Jesus Christ, you lucky bastard. Like you just, you're so lucky that someone just liked you

and you met him at work because otherwise, Jesus Christ, like it's, I'm not charming. You know, like, oh, it was, I just, I was like, God, like, you know, when you have those realizations, he was like, dude, I think I think I'm was like, God, like, you know, when you have those realizations, he was like, dude, I think I think I'm more like Dawson than I'd like to admit. I just, I was like Dawson with like Pacey's edge, I guess. Right. Like it's like, I was a nice kid, but like Pacey's edge, you know, not like a real edge, like Pacey's edge. real edge, like pieces of an edge. I think that's so sad.

Anyways, I just, I had to unpack that for a second. Cause like, man, as I was watching Dawson hit on people, I'm just like, Jesus Christ, dude, this is what it was like for girls at the bar when you would talk to them. Those poor girls. I know it's rough out there, man. Yeah, dude. So it's hard being a weird guy. that's actually nice because like then the night, you know, like the nice guys quote-unquote are actually like super manipulative and kind of the worst and so when a girl meets actual nice guy and they're like What's your deal? Yeah Not only are you weird, but you're nice So like this is and like that kind of like they tried to do that a little bit with this too,

right? It's like nice guys finish last. That was a very um, shtick type of thing, even though like technically it didn't always feel like they were that nice. It felt like they were just more manipulative, but anyways, that's, that's a tangent for a different day. Yeah. Yeah. Dawson, Dawson's not a, Dawson's not nice. He's definitely, he's a nice guy, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I just, I love this episode right now. I know I've said it a few times, but it was, detention was so good.

I loved all the callbacks to Breakfast Club without like going, like without making it too heavy-handed, right? Like it was- Well, It's pretty heavy handed. They, they, they mentioned it. So, oh, I forgot about that. But Charlie, that's when we get the Emilio, the Emilio, uh, the ducks reference, right? So when, as soon as Dawson said that, I actually gasped. I was like, oh, I can say he was throwing fucking strays at a

fucking Amelia hasn't done anything like I said, like, but that was, that was so good. When, when, um, when Joshua Jackson was like, what the mighty ducks movies, those are so good. Like that was, that was incredible. Breaking the fourth wall. Right. Was that breaking the fourth wall?

No, no. So how does that, like you are annoying about this stuff. So how does that work in the ducks universe and ducks lexicon? So does that mean that. Pacey is just basically a Charlie look alike in the, in the ducks universe? Essentially. Yeah. Um, do you like how I preface that?

Cause he said, so yeah. So they mentioned, I like literally, I thought you like, as, as that happened, I was like, Oh geez, Brandon's going to be real fucking annoying about this universe stuff in the crossover. I didn't even, I thought you like as that happened, I was like, Oh, jeez, Brandon's gonna be real fucking annoying about this universe stuff in the crossover. I didn't even I was wrong. I didn't even think about it. Because it's one of those things where you can't you just can't think about it too much. Otherwise, it falls apart, you know. Oh, oh, Brandon.

Did you hear what you just said? Yeah. This is that's what it's like talking with you. I stand by everything else I've've overthought. I stand by it a hundred percent, but this cause so, cause Dawson's Creek. So, okay. So it's, so it's supposed to take place in modern, modern day times in the real world. Capeside is a fictional town though. We're in a fictional town. Um, so yeah, I mean, there's a couple of different ways you could think of it. So technically Pacey is East coast Charlie.

East coast Charlie. Yeah. He's a look like, or, um, or, you know, there's some kind of wormhole, you know, alternate dimension. Oh, like, um, like your favorite, is this some Mandela effect where our universes are laying a ring on top of each other? And that's why it's the Baron stain bears instead of Berenstein. No, it's not. It's more, it's more Avengers. It's more Avengers than

Mandela effect, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's more multiverse than, uh, what would you say? How did you describe the Mandela effect? What do you say is, um, dimensions layering on top of each other? Yeah. Now it's more, it would be more multiverse. I don't know.

I just, I brought up, it was a great, you know, and you didn't take the bait. So go fuck yourself, Brandon. Because Dawson's Creek is too, it's too precious to, to solely with your shenanigans. Oh, I really tried to get you worked up with that. Like it was a whole plot in the back of my head. I was like, I'm really going to fuck with Brandon about this universe stuff. And he just didn't buy into it. That's fine. Cause I honestly did. This is a lesson for kids that like are, you know, with your bullies, just don't acknowledge them. I honestly didn't think about it at all, but now I am thinking about it. Maybe, maybe when we come back to the next, the next episodes, I'll have a rant for you once I figure it out.

Okay. We'll get, we'll get back to the Dawson's. I bet you there's like a Reddit thread about it. That's do your own research, Brandon. Yeah. Well, I'll, I'll slide my sources. I love it. Um, but yeah, so the quote is fantastic because yeah, they bring up breakfast club. Uh, Dawson takes a shot at all the, um, the actors in breakfast club. Dawson takes a shot at all the actors in breakfast club. And then- Oh my gosh, yeah, cause the, who's the nerd kid?

Whoever played him, like he took a shot about being fat or something, but he's done all kinds of stuff. He did have like a legit medical thing. That's what they were referencing. Oh, okay. But like he's had a great comeback his episode him on psych They all crushed it on psych. Yeah, I really shitty was a I afraid if she was yin or yang

She was one of them. I think she was yin. Yeah, okay Yeah, they crushed it. I'm Judd Nelson. Fantastic. They I mean, I the way he's what did he say he said they're all middling in a TV hell or something like that. Which like, that sounds like a fucking fantastic career. You know what I would you know what I would give to star on Law and Order, or not star but like just be a side character on Law and Order, especially Law and Order SVU. It sounds like a dream. I've sent it on here.

My dream, my Hollywood dream is to find an in in Hallmark studios. And I want to be the crazy uncle, the weird brother, the, the dad would just have maybe one screw loose mother of God, Brandon, I would crush that role. I wouldn't even have to act that much. I would give anything to be a recurring side character on Law and Order. I want to pop up on all the Law and Orders as the same character. Full universe. Just a weird homeless guy that is always, you know, weird homeless guy in New York is always like a block away from shit that's going down. And they're like, well, Brandon's got, you know, weird homeless guy in New York is always like a block away from shit that's going down. And they're like, well, Brandon's got, you know, he's got the, uh,

the ear of the streets. We got to talk to Brandon. We got to see what he's, he's thinking about this. If you would have asked me 10 years ago, if you had asked me 10 years ago, I would have said the CW like flash and arrow ones. I think we've talked about those before, but like being able, because like they interwove so much. So like being a main character on Arrow means you're also a main character in Flash, Superwoman and the other one with all the people. I forget what it's called. The Hallmark thing would be sick too if you were just a random side character in every Hallmark movie. And like, you're just known as like the fun brother, the fun uncle,

and like every Hallmark movie. In some movies you're just, you don't even have a speaking role. You're just in the background. Yeah. Like, like, like I am the one that trips and falls and knocks over the tray of sugar, like, um, sugar cookies that helped cure cancer. And now I'm evil, right? Or, you know, like, it's just, I don't know. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

It doesn't sound like a homework. The thread of that fell apart very quickly, but did you? One thing we need to gain out of this podcast though, is we need to get, we each need to get an agent. We need to, I need to be on Law and Order. Dude, I would be great as a side in any and all Hallmark movies or like being the dad in a kid's show or like iCarly, you know, like the brother in iCarly, that's my, that's me.

That's the perfect role for me or the brother in Hannah Montana. Another, right? Like those, I can't be the main character. I can't like absolutely not. You know, I don't even want I don't even want more than like three lines. Top. No, no, exactly. But like I'm there like let the let the actors act and let me react, you know, like that's that's where like facial expressions reactions. I'm killing it. Right.

I've been physical comedy like I'm tripping over everything, dude. I've been practicing my I just discovered a dead body phase for years. I got it on lock, dude. Jogging through the park. Oh, my God. Oh, no, they stole the Christmas countdown clock. What happened? We need, yeah, we need agents. Anybody listening to this has an end with some Hollywood agents. Hit us up. Yeah, it's some voice acting. I can't do voices. So it just have to be like, it'd be like,

three voices that I could do tops. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want to do my voice. I can do a high pitched voice and I can do a low voice, but that's my range. That's all I got. I want to do like commercials, right? Like I would, I would be a good voiceover for commercials. Right. Like you could, you could do commercials. The Chrysler 300 one car that you will never drive away with. Wait, shit. That didn't go. One car that you will never drive away with. Wait, shit, that didn't go.

Yeah, that's... You need a script. You're not the writer. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, if you want me to improvise, you might get like... I'll go for like, you know, three for ten. Yes, and, dude. Yes, and.

It's all this... Sorry. This is... I fucking love this show, dude. It's always, always. Right. Sorry. This is, I fucking love this show, man. Like, this is weirdly bad. Like the ducks have been great. It's been fun. I feel like we get too technical with the ducks. Like I am just having a lot of fun watching this show for the first time.

That's why it's so good. I think you're right. That's why I didn't, I didn't delve into the multiverse thing here is because we can get technical with the ducks. Okay. But this, this, this show feels too. Two separate. Yeah.

You can't, you can't die. You can't start dissecting, dissecting Dawson's Creek falls apart real quick. That is true. Like if you double click on anything in this, in the show, you're like, wait, yeah. Like, like the fifth, the 16 year old boyfriend that just shows up out of no, like where are his parents? How did he just get in like crazy? How people are just getting out of school? Like, Oh my God, I got a lot of questions about Billy.

The New York boy and the dude that plays him, I remember him from band of brothers. Do you remember him from the end of brothers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gotta be in some other stuff though. He's in a, he's in a, I don't know if it's a Netflix. He's in a Christmas movie that came out last year or year or year before something like that. Eon Bailey, I think

that's how you say his name. Eon Aon. Oh, Once Upon a Time. I remember him from Once Upon a Time. He was also he had small roles in Fight Club and Almost Famous. Did you ever watch Almost Famous? Yes. Almost Famous is a great movie. I had never seen Almost Famous until like two or three years ago. Danny made me watch it. Because he loves that movie. And he was like, how have you not seen

this is right up your fucking alley, Brandon. And I watched it. And he was right. It was a fucking amazing movie. What movie? Almost Famous. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's, I haven't seen it in forever. I can't really like that. So it's so good. Oh good. But yeah, he's in a band of brothers. Um, and then he's been in literally, you know, he's been in, uh,

Buffy, the vampire slam. I would say he's been in literally every TV show you can think of, including law and order. Yeah. He's in, I think he's in, I thought it was cold case numbers, CSI, New York, ER, without a trace. Yeah. Yeah.

30 rock. Okay. Yeah. Once upon a time, I remember, I remember him from, I got into that show for a minute, just one minute. Watch it. Once upon a time where it's like the TV show. And then they like layer in all the fairy tales.

Yeah, I tried watching characters in episode two and it was just it was too campy. I couldn't get through it. Oh, that's why I loved it. Then it's you gotta you gotta really enjoy that kind of silliness. If they didn't they don't know. I loved it. Then you gotta really enjoy that kind of silliness. If you- I don't know. They've still tried to make it serious was my problem. Like if you're gonna do campy, you gotta lean into it.

And they didn't lean into it enough. Yeah, they tried to make it like a drama after season one or season two. And the main girl that played Snow White, she got on my nerve after a while. I forget who she is. She's a famous person though. The main main girl. Yeah. Uh, I, I know the blonde one,

but the brown haired one. Yeah. Uh, um, uh, Jennifer Goodwin. Yeah, that's, that's the brown haired one. She was in, uh, a bunch of stuff as well. Yeah, she was bugged. She was bugged me for some reason, but yeah, that's, I knew I recognized this guy from a couple of places, but this, the New York boyfriend just dropping in and hanging out for a couple of days

and then staying with Dawson. This boyfriend episode just went off the rails in like the weirdest way. So this is where they try to lose you. They do their best. They're like, hey, we're going to try to lose you on this boyfriend episode because we lost all of our crazy drama now that there's no statutory rape.

So we got to really pump some drama into this. Let's have a 16 year old boyfriend from New York, just drop in and come to school and stay with her new boyfriend. Who's kind of her boyfriend, but not her boyfriend. I love how he goes. Um, she's like, you can't, she's like, you need to leave. I'm with Dawson. I'm giving up my, my New York ways. And he goes, uh, well, that's fine. Um, but I'm, uh, super tired from this long drive.

I don't know if I can make it back home and I don't have any money. So you're going to have to find me a place to stay. And it's like, well, what the fuck was your plan? If she, like, if she said, yes, we, grams's isn't going to let you stay there. You never know Brandon. If you just insert yourself uncomfortably into their life, they've got to take you back. Right? I guess. I guess.

I mean, she falls right back into fucking nonsense. Well, and you know, she breaks Dawson's heart with that kiss. Goodbye, Brandon. How dare she? Was it a kiss goodbye, Heath? I mean, that's what we're led to believe. Do you want to take a guess at the title for this one? Is that the fake title?

The Lord comes back and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey now, hey now. That's movie themed. Oh, that's right. I keep thinking songs instead of movies. My ex-wife killer. No, I don't know. I think Kurt Russell. Oh boy, I'm never gonna...

Kurt Russell? No, roadhouse. That's not that is a great foot. That's Patrick Swayze. That's a great fucking way is it is it is Kurt Russell. It is Kurt Russell. I don't know. I don't know.

Escape from New York. Oh, that's a weird. Well, that makes sense. Boyfriend is just it's I would have never guessed that there's a weird. Well, that makes sense. Boyfriend is just, it's, I would have never guessed that. There's some great, great quotes. There's a, there's a scene like halfway through when, Pacey, or not, when Joe goes to the movies, the rental store, and she's talking to Pacey.

And she goes, she goes, I need to rent the rental store. And she's talking to Pacey and she goes, she goes, I need to rent the English patient. And Pacey goes, may I suggest a movie that doesn't totally blow. And then they're talking back and forth and Pacey's like, like trying to egg her on and be like, you're in love with Dawson. Like, come on, let's, let's spill the beans or whatever. And they start talking about Billy and Pacey's like, I bet you're just loving this, just eating it up with with Joy, Jen's ex boyfriend coming into town. And I forgot exactly how Joe responds. But she ends it with, you know me, I would never stand in the way of true love. And that reminded me of us, Heath, because we're, you know, we're

big fans. We love love. We're big fans of love. We would never me of us, he's because we're you know, we're big fans. We love love. We're big fans of love. We would never stand in the way. We love love on the podcast. We really do. It's a sucker for weddings. And then when she's when she gets mad, she leaves the store. Be kind rewind. The movie rental place. I fucking love whenever they do a scene there because that's like such nostalgia. I know I wish that there was I the the clear plastic VHS. Oh my God.

It's so good. A little vest uniforms. They wear. It's it's dude. We got it talk about Joey basic like almost gets date raped on the beach, which is wild and then Pacey beats the dude up He'd fucking connects on that punch. Yeah socked him He does the old like half like half spin fall. Yeah. I do like when he so they're they're on the beach she's drunk and he's like he's like basically in her mouth and

she's like are you trying to kiss me? And then and then Pacey comes up and he what he calls him uh And then, uh, Pacey comes up and he, what he, he calls him, uh, I think, does he call him a serial rapist? Yeah. Pacey is so good. Like, I'm so glad that we got rid of the tomorrow teacher thing so that Pacey can just shine, right? Like now he starts to blossom for sure. Yes.

Now he can just be a 15 year old old like trouble, like not troublemaker, but kind of troublemaker and just like an instigator, right? He's just like, that's a good word because he's not a troublemaker, but he's an instigator and he loves starting shit. And what does he what does he say to to uh, yeah, it's on the road trip episode, the next one, but he's, um, he's talking to Dawson and how about telling Dawson about how much of a square he is. And he's like, he's like, you know how in movies when they,

they have a little angel that pops up on their shoulder and tells them the right thing to do. I don't have that angel. I have you Dawson. Pacey is, and then Dawson, like not to jump ahead, but the road trip when Dawson goes and turns in his homework before he skips class. Jesus Christ. That's too much.

So the, the boyfriend episode, the, the, the party where the dude gets Joey drunk and tries to take advantage of her. But it was, uh, it was what's his face is party, right? To, uh, it, it was a weird, I don't know. It was another, like, we need to, uh, invent some drama cause there's not enough drama. It was Cliff's right. Cliff invited.

Okay. But we don't see Cliff at the party. No. And that was, yeah, that was, that was a weird thing, but it don't see Cliff at the party. No. But anyways, yeah. That was a weird thing, but it did help us, like, you know, Pacey becomes much more endearing. Yeah, yeah. Because he's still...

He doesn't get any credit, though. She's like, he punched, Pacey punches the guy, and then she goes, Dawson, you're my hero. Yeah, that's true, that's true. And then we goes, Dawson, you're my hero. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's it. That's it. And then we mentioned it before, but in this episode, not the last one is where Mitch and Gail reach a boiling point as they attempt to rebuild. Yeah.

They come back from scuba diving, not any closer. They do break out the cassette tape, though though on the porch for a little dancing. That was nice. She goes in for a kiss. He's already. Yeah, it's like too soon. Too soon. One step at a time, Gail.

Yeah, you liar. Oh, I have the quote at the the quote. At the end, when Dawson is talking to Jen, he says, as someone who considers himself tragically nice, I end up apologizing a lot. Like, what a pretentious fucking nonsense of a quote to consider yourself tragically nice. Go fuck yourself yourself Dawson. The character of Dawson is hands down, the most pretentious high school character ever like his film so emo dude, like it's in the episode nine,

the road trip one. At the very beginning. He's like, he's like, like pining out the window or whatever and Joe's sitting there there and Joe's like, the worst part about this is you're getting off on this Dawson and you're like, you know, he's like, he's milking it. It's like, come on, bro. He loves his own misery. Yeah, exactly. He's he wants to be the victim. He's got to be the victim.

Uh, anyways, so let's, let's, uh, move into road trip. Cause I was sitting up. Well, escape from, uh, we got to talk. So escape trip because we got to talk so escape from we got to talk more about escape from New York or whatever was boyfriend we're talking about Billy because you're right he said Billy comes in fucking out of nowhere. Just to fuck shit up. Just to fuck shit up. Well then one thing I love so Billy shows like he's moving there. Yeah. And then one thing I love so Billy shows like he's moving there. Yeah, but as a dog so Billy shows up Dawson meets him

um and him and Jen all three of them have this little scene where um Jen's like oh, he's my old friend from New York um and Dawson and Dawson's like who the fuck is this Billy kid? She she goes Oh, I've told you about Billy already Dawson and she says says it in like a real mean like, you can't get mad at me. I already told you about him. Which she hasn't. She said what happened. But she never was like, you know, she never told him about like the actual person. Yeah, it was a really Yeah, I was on Dawson's side for that split second when she when I was like, no, you didn't fucking tell him about him. She she

did imply it in a weird way, right? But she never that would she never like talks. She never talks. She never said his name. She never brought that up. She never talked about hit like the guy as a person. Yeah. She told him what happened, but she didn't tell him about Billy. Yeah, she just made him into a bad guy. And he is so good at seeming super sketchy. Oh yeah, it's the leather jacket.

Oh, you think so? From New York with a leather jacket. And the convertible. Trouble. I Knew you were trouble when you walked in that's what he yeah exactly. That's who the songs about. Yeah Taylor was on like a real Dawson's bender and she was like, let me just let me just write these words into song But Billy so throughout the episode, Billy, it feels like six or seven times where she goes,

Billy, you need to go home. And he's like, okay, I'll go home. And then he shows up in the next scene. It's like, God damn it, Billy. Dawson finally says that in the next episode. He's like, I'm so done with like you not leaving. Like I'm supposed to be done with you by now. Like what the fuck? Yeah, and then he has to stay, done with like, you not leaving. Like, I'm supposed to be done with you by now. Like,

what the fuck? Yeah. And then, yeah, then he, he has to stay. Dawson lets him stay at the house. Um, and he goes, uh, it's fine. I'll, I'll suck it up until tomorrow. And Billy's like, oh yeah, tomorrow for sure. Tomorrow. I'll leave tomorrow. He's like, what are you going to do Dawson? Are you going to go get your dad and have your dad throw me out? It was in it was, it's how squatters happen. It's just, this is if you give a mouse a cookie, this is what happens. My God.

And, and I, Dawson was way too nice. Like throw his ass on the curb, make him sleep in his fucking car, call his parents, you know, do something. Yeah. Billy and that whole thing. It just, I had a real, it was just so not, and then like for, like for him to come back for a second episode, I was like, why the fuck is this guy still around like Billy needs to go away? Like I, it just, I had too hard of a time following the Billy thing. And so when he came

back for a second episode, I was like, damn it. And then once like that, the road trip episode started to unfold, I was like, okay, I see why they like kept him around to like move the story along, like in the way that they did for Dawson to ruminate and then get distracted and all that good shit. But anyways, I just I was I'm not a big Billy fan Brandon. That's good. That's good. Because Billy sucks. Yeah, I do love how he just abandoned them after Dawson yells at him. It's like, oh, fuck you. Your plan didn't work. Like taking me to the whorehouse, even though it was just a bar. Yeah.

They didn't even go to the strip club. I thought for sure they were going to the strip club. They went to a pool hall. Yeah. Dawson's like, before they leave, Dawson's like, he's like, I'm only 15. And Billy is like, don't worry. I know the bouncer, the bouncer, the pool hall. Okay. Billy fucking loser.

I mean, when I was 18, I did get into the back door of like, uh, it was like half bar, half like dance club. It's pretty awesome. I got so shit faced and everyone that was in there knew that I was 18. And so they all got me super shit faced. And so like, it's like all these adults and then teenage Heath and you know, I really, I had fun says Heidi, but they were, they were grooming you.

I mean, Heidi, Heidi was always really good about putting me in insane situations. But like, you know, she's a good big sister. She, I never, would never get taken too far. You know, she has, there was, there was a close monitor on me, but we still, you know, like it was, she's like, fuck it. We know all the people that own the bar. We're just gonna, can't can't eat. And then everyone was like, this kid's wild. And she's like, yeah, it's my little brother. And they're like, oh, he's like a little kid. And then, you know, anyways, I haven't thought about that in a while.

Small towns. I say small towns. That was in Omaha. Oh, Omaha. I say it would shock me if you weren't at inside every bar in Wayne at some point, five years old. Well, everyone knew who I was. So that would never work in Wayne, but everywhere else.

Yeah. But I just small town. Then I'm sure they'd let you in. They just wouldn't serve you. Um, Oh, my Omaha. I could get into the bar as like a, as an adult, pretty easy. We had a pool hall not too far from where I lived.

That was like, uh, I don't know if it was like officially, you know, all ages kind of thing, but they definitely did not, uh, they didn't like, they wouldn't serve you alcohol, but if you were like, I went there when I was like 16 and just would like play pool. Dude, I told you about the most disturbing thing in Northeast Nebraska was this, where a nightclub turned into a 16 and overnight club. Oh yeah. We've talked about this before. Cause we, we, uh, Denver had a Denver had a few of them. They had, um,

they had, um, what was it? Fucking the church was one of them. That was, that's right. We did talk about that. That's, that was, no, the church was 18 and up, I believe but they led a lot of 15 16 year olds in there was another one called fucking. What was it? Hollywood legends, I think that was a 16 and up one Different have yet different had some wild wild and inappropriate nightlife clubs. Yeah. Anyways, I did love them at the bar

because it was such a like high school boys at a bar playing pool and then they're like, dude, we got to hit on chicks. And then everyone's good. I got three lined up. Yeah, On the hook. And then they all just shoot him down. Like, I forget what the one says that she just like makes fun of him. Oh, sure. I don't know if this is the one you're talking about.

But he comes in to the grill, it's sitting at the bar. And he goes, he goes, you know, I'm the drummer for Pearl Jam. And she goes, you're dumber than who? Yes, yes. And she goes, you're dumber than who? Yes. Yes. This is such a great cause she did. She didn't. I don't think she meant it as an insult. I think she legitimately didn't hear.

What are you talking about? That was, that was so good. Yeah. And, and them just being in the weird high school boys drinking on the bars. It was good stuff. Yeah. Dawson's drinking like a Jack and Coke or whatever. But once he starts talking to Nina, who I she had to be 85 years old. Yeah, she's so she was there's no there's not a chance on God's beautiful green earth that she's younger than Tamara. I feel like they're about the same age.

I don't know. And she had her own place. I literally I was like, Oh boy, here we go. We just get rid of Tamara. And now we got fucking round two with Dawson and this old lady at the bar. Yikes. Like, it's just there's a lot of young boy and older women action in this, in this show so far. There's a, there's a lot of older, younger for sure. The older, younger, I mean, Tamara goes away.

There's still quite a bit of older, younger power dynamic issues for sure. Yeah. And we got to talk about the most unhinged part of this episode, which is Joey getting picked up by Warren and then Warren starting the rumor that they are hooking up. And then Joey starting a worse rumor. I love that. And it got so, so I loved it, but like, there's just, of course it got worse. loved it, but like there's just, of course it got worse. Like it's, but like, uh, Joe, uh, Jen telling her to just be like, Oh, I've got a great plan. Let's tell everyone you're fucking pregnant. And then the mean girl, uh, Abby from the other episode is like,

Hey, I know you made up that rumor because he's gay, right? Isn't that what they're implying is that he's gay? And I don't think so they're implying is that he's gay and I don't think so. I think they were implying he had erectile dysfunction. Oh, I see. I thought they were implying that because like, he just doesn't like girls. Like I, like, I thought that that's what they were implying. Maybe, right? Cause like the way that they were like saying it, like he has a soft spot.

We are cause he can't get hard. Yeah. But like, Oh, maybe he's on steroids. Isn't that, you know, give you ED as a baseball player. It's fitting. I don't know. I was back by God. I think we've talked about this before. I am pro pro steroids.

Yeah. I mean, listen, baseball was never bigger than Mark McGuire Sammy Sosa. So like if you, if you realize that taking them out of the game has only made it less popular, then you know what? Fuck it. Let's get this. Do a 180 and let's, you know, this is, let's get, this is my chain smoking. You know, it's like, did I send you that thing? I didn't send you the meme where I was like, saw a kid with a cigarette instead of a vape nature is healing. That's great.

Yeah. Right. Oh, so good. It's like, man, I saw, I saw a teenager with a cigarette instead of a vape. We're back as a country. America is back, Brandon. We're getting back to the gain smoking to look cool. My God.

I know kids need to toughen up. They should have a hard time breathing by the time they turn 21. I sure as hell did. Did you get hot box? That's when it's like when you're a kid and you're and your parents smoke and you get hot boxed in the car. That's, that's never got, I never got hot boxed in the car. My mom, um, went off and on smoking

the whole time, but she was always good about, she'd go out on the back porch. Um, my aunt, uh, and her husband though, her, my uncle, they fucking like chain smoking at the kitchen table. It was like walking into the house was like, Oh God, you know, it was rough. See at home, that is a little rough, like at the bar, you know, like you don't you don't want to have bar clothes as your home clothes. Like that's that's a tough look. Yeah. Yeah. You smell everywhere you go. Yeah. Well, yeah. Walking into that, that

that house was a rough, rough experience. And yeah, and her car to her car. She drove like a little tiny little Saturn. I think fucking reeked. Yeah. Lovely lady, though. Yeah. Anyways, I didn't catch. I didn't really catch the gay insinuation though, or the homosexual situation. I just figured they were. I just figured he because that's what I thought that he was implying.

Like he was going to make her his beard. Like, and maybe, maybe I just read way too into that. And that it's more innocent, but like the way I understand now that you mention it, cause what, what does he say to her in the car? He says, you have, uh, he's like, uh, or not in the car. Like at the end, when he confronts her, um, about the, wait, no, is it in the car? No, in the car, at the end, he like, he's like, he kind of implies like we can make

this mutually beneficial and just like, well, there's, he says something at, towards the beginning of the episode where he's like, you have a reputation problem. And I have a reputation problem or something like that. And he's like, that's when he's like, we can be official. Yeah. At the end is when he's like, why don't we just make the rumor true and fuck? Uh, that's right. And that's what she's like.

That's when she goes, I don't think we could do that because little birdie told me you can't get hard. Um, but now that I think about it, it might be, maybe it is a gay, the more I think about it, the more I think you're right because of what he says at the beginning when he's like, we could be mutually beneficial or whatever. And even at the end, like she's she like, I feel I can't remember exactly, but she like implies that she's not his type. She maybe you're right.

I didn't I didn't clock it. I guess I just thought they were Michelle Williams character, like puts two and two together. Okay. I didn't clock that. I just figured they were talking about his erectile dysfunction. No, and that would have been a very edgy plot line in 98 as well. Right? Like that was a very like Dawson's.

That was a very like 90210 type of edgy plot line that would have gone over really well in this type of show in the 90s. Okay, I believe you. I believe you. Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, right? But we'll find out potentially in the next episode. I don't know. I do love red ahead. I do love the fucking her double down though. He tells everybody. He tells everybody they're sleeping together. So she's like, I ain't gonna be pregnant. Yeah. Oh my God. That's why. And her acting in the office. Oh my God. When she's crying and telling it to Abby, and she's like, and that's when the strip turned blue, and Abby goes, blue? Do you know what that means? Yeah.

It was, I love Joey. She's my favorite character in this show. She's good. Because she's- I love Joey. She's she's my favorite character in this show. She's she's good because she's I love I love Abby. Abby, Abby is a fucking you. She's a riot. She's a maniac. That's why you like Abby so much. My God. Course you do. But the made up

boys bathroom ecstasy gangbang is ridiculous. That's top notch. That's how I figured Joey would be after everything she's been through. You know, that seems anyways, I mean, Joey has had a wild ride. She's got sister bleeding out in Dawson's floor. She's got town pariah dead, dead mom locked up dad. You know, she almost gets date raped the episode before.

She has that weird quick trist with the yacht club guy. Oh, you know, isn't going to accept her as a, yeah. As a, as a waitress, you know, like it is, I think he would have accepted it. He would have accepted her as a waitress. That was all in her mind. She's also deeply in love with her neighbor, who is her best friend that she's known for and in denial.

Like my like Joey is going on such a journey right now, Brandon and son of a bitch. I'm here for it to be to be young again. Oh my God. Honestly, no, like not that, you know, I'm here for it. To be young again. Oh my God, honestly, no, like not that young. You know, like I wouldn't mind a second crack at like my 20s. I wouldn't mind a second, but like anything younger than that, get out of here too. I do not want to be a teenager again.

And I didn't have it bad, you know, like I was somewhat popular and everyone was nice to me. And so I had a fortunate high school experience. You still couldn't fucking pay me to do it. Still couldn't pay me to go back and redo that shit. I would never want to. Now, 20s going back with like my current knowledge, I'd be like, listen, guy, you did it all wrong. You just, you fucking did it all wrong.

You just, you fucking did it all wrong. You did some of it right, but the majority you did wrong. So let's redo this part and let's be just a little bit better and a little bit smarter. If I, if I'm going back knowing what I know now, yeah, I'm going back to like five. Let me take a crack at the whole thing again. Let me buy some apple stock. You know, you could do that. Do that. Do that at 21 still be just fine. It's like a hundred bucks at

21. You think I got a hundred dollars when I'm 21 years old? Well, not when I was 21. That's true. I forgot you're you're as old. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes Kelly's really weird about it. She's like, are you too old for me? Is it inappropriate? Like you were a senior when I was in middle school. What is your age difference? Six years. So, oh, that's not something I thought it was.

No. Yeah. And that's, I said, I was like, wait, if you, if you put us back in high school, then yeah, it's very weird. But I met you when I was 30. Yeah. And you were 24, right? Like it's anyways. Yeah.

Six is fine. We're adults. Going back to the Road Trip episode. Um, going back to, uh, to the road trip episode, um, these, uh, when they're on, when they're on the fucking ferry and, uh, I almost thank you for bringing this up. Number one, the two drunk guys. Oh my God. That was, that was, and then what, what movie was it that he impersonated American graffiti? Wait, do you tie the the fucking axel to whatever? Seen that?

Yeah, it's a it's a real old one. They do just that you tie the I guess the axle I'm not a car guy. I don't know you tie the the axle to like a wall or you know something that doesn't move. That's an expensive. Yeah. Oh, you know, something that doesn't move. That's an expensive. Yeah. Oh, you're it's that's totaled. It's total. But they deserved it like that. They did for their their canopy on the old lady.

This scene that I fucking lost it at. So it's after he decides to go American graffiti. So he's in the back, like tying it to the ship or whatever. And then it cuts to the passenger dude who is, he's standing in front of the old lady's car and just pouring a beer down the windshield. What the f-? You're just wasting your beer, dude. But the old lady in the car is like balling though.

Oh, the it was, that was just an insane part too. I will say I the fact that the the poor like fairy workers that are like letting all the cars off, like what do you do in that situation? You gotta call tow truck. Yeah. Well, yeah, but like you're're just like, what the fuck just happened? Call the cops, right?

Well, that's what they get for letting the dudes fucking terrorize everybody in the first place. Exactly. Wait, hold on. Have you ever, did you ever take the ferry in Seattle? Like I, Yeah, never with a car though. Miles got, he was like, what the fuck, dude? Like, but like, I wanted to go on a ferry on the car so bad. So we drove out on the ferry and then it down poured

on Bainbridge. Oh, you were on Bainbridge, yeah. So hard that like we couldn't, we got stuck in a wine place and just got shit faced on wine. But anyways. I never did the car. I felt so bad for him. Cause like looking back on it, I was like, this is so inconvenient and like dumb,

you know, but I was like, car fairy. Are you shitting me? Dude, I've always wanted to do a car fairy. Um, you know, shout out to miles for being a good house. So it'd be, so you, all right, we'll do it, but then we're going to go to Dix and get burgers afterwards. Sounds like, yeah, perfect. That sounds like a day

I never did the car. I didn't have a car when I was out there. So I never did the car fairy But I did I did the I did the human fairy quite a bit of time Yeah, but I never had my car with I only did being I only went to Bainbridge once. Is that bad? I took the ferry back and forth from West Seattle a bunch though. Anyways. Alkali Beach, right?

Yeah, I just, them taking the ferry was, I loved it. It just, it reminded me of that moment. It reminded me of me taking the ferry and I being like, yeah, I have to believe based on how drunk and belligerent they were. And I have to believe they would not have taken that lightly. They would have. They would have found awesome, you know, or at least Billy based on the license plate, especially the way they like

celebrate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're coming after them somehow there. And there's probably record of the vehicle, right? But that's okay.

If you're standing right at the license plate. Yeah. Um, probably is enough to remember it though. That'd be tough. Drunk they were. But yeah, the fucking, those people were crazy. And then, yeah. And then Nina, I still can't get over how old she was. The Nina, the Binta, the Santa Marina.

I see she shut that down real quick. She was like, if you fucking mentioned that, I swear to God, I laughed so hard. It's like, Oh my God, I did just, Oh, just call me Christopher Columbus. Fucking Billy. That's what he, he comes sail the ocean blue in 1492. What's that girl? That's what Billy comes in hot when he's like, uh, what does he say? He's oh, Dawson, they got to chocolate milk up at the bar.

Billy is the worst. Is it Billy sucks so much he makes Dawson somewhat tolerable. Right. That's rough. Yeah. Well, yeah. So, so Nina, Nina, Nina invites Dawson back to her place and then, uh, he turns it down because he's still

head over heels with Jen. And what does Nina say? She goes, she goes, I don't know if I should be, if I'm offended or if you restored my faith in the male gender. But so then he goes back into the bar and Billy's plan didn't work. So Billy's fucking pissed. Yeah and yeah, he just Starts being even more of a dick and yeah, doc Dawson like he's like what what's your what's your deal dude? Like are you? Yeah, like you're you're pissed at me because your shitty plan didn't work and like I didn't fall for it Like go fuck yourself. He's like you fucking fell for it the whole time. You just didn't

finish the job. I do love to go back. Pacey is like, you could have waited till after we got home. You couldn't wait until we got back to Cape side before you. He did all that. You threw the last barb out there. You could have waited for the yellow. I do to go back go back to the party, the beach party, I did love when he, they're like arguing over who's the third wheel. And that's when Dawson goes, Dawson makes the remark about, you know, her sleeping with everybody.

And she goes, she goes, I think I'm the third wheel and I should leave. And so she walks away and Dawson turns to Billy and he goes, great. Are you fucking happy now? And Billy goes, you know what? Yeah, I kind of am. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? He did such a good job of playing a slime ball too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you, the leather jacket is what sealed it. Can't trust those guys. He just had a sly demeanor about him, you know?

Yeah, he just had a sly demeanor. But anyways, yeah, this episode was from the road trip to them implying they were going to a whore house and then actually just go into a bar to like Joey and the sex rumor and then the tripling and doubling down on it. It was just, dude, this, what? And then, and then the whole time we've got Savage Garden going in this last episode. It's just, son of a bitch. It was so good, Brandon. I was just like, Oh my God, truly, madly, deeply do.

I will be strong. I will be faithful. Cause I'm counting on a new beginning, a reason. See, I can't do, I got, I'm all nasally from my cold last week still, you know? Yeah. You gotta, you gotta hit the high notes. So do you got work on that?

I can't, I mean, I can call a voice coach, I guess. There you go. You know, I've always wanted to do a cappella. Okay, so I looked up... the ages. So Tamara... 36. They say it in the... Yeah, but the actor... Well but she was 36 in the show. Sorry.

The actor who played tomorrow was born in 1955. The actress and then the actress who played Nina was born in 1965. So she was 10 years younger. Um, but still old as fuck. Like Vanderbeek 77. Come on, guys. My God, this anyways, this episode was the perfect like, think about the four episodes that we just went through from the baby to the breakfast detention to New York boyfriend

coming over where Joey almost gets sexually assaulted to a road trip to the guys. Did they go to New York with Billy or did they go? They said Providence, I thought. Providence. I was going to say. They said Providence. I say, I don't think they went the full.

No, they took the ferry over to Providence. Okay. Yep. That's where, that's where Pacey wanted to take tomorrow. It's Providence. It's beautiful. Beautiful country. That's anyways, good old Rhode Island. It just, yeah, anyways, it's these four episodes were fantastic. Like I said, I am, I'm all in on this show.

I am like, I'm waving the on this show. I am like, I'm waving the flag of Dawson's Creek fandom. I, I'll probably keep like watching. Like, I don't know. Do you, if we do season two, should I wait to watch season two until we do it? Cause it's been really fun. Yes, you should. Yeah. You should absolutely wait. Yeah. Cause it's, it is, it is adding so much more fun of me watching these.

Like it's actually coming out weekly instead of, you know, 30 years ago, but it's just, it's so good. They did such a good job. It's all the great 90s things. The soundtrack is out of this world. The plot lines are like before TV just got, you know, before everyone got offended by everything, right? And TV just became so stale and bland and made for mass production.

Like this. They don't make it like they don't make the shows like these anymore. For sure. It's no no, because like none of this is appropriate anymore. Right. And like, but like I got to go back and watch and like for it to just move so fast and all over the place, like people wouldn't be able to get into this because they, there's such a lack of realism at some points, you know, where it's just like, well, this doesn't make sense, but because Dawson's Creek is awesome, we're going to roll with it. You know, it's just like well, this doesn't make sense. But because Dawson's Creek is awesome. We're gonna roll with it

You know, it's like 90210 or 7th heaven which we've talked about before. Yeah, 90210 Was it was like another one? I think that was like right. What was the other one Melrose place Melrose place? Oh, I never I never watched Melrose place 90210 though. I watched my mom was super into 90210 That's why my name is Brandon after the brand brandon character. Oh, I love that. I love that so much. And do you remember the, do you remember the Miami or was it Miami

or Maui version of saved by the bell? Do you remember? Oh, I never watched that, but I know what you're talking about. California dream in or something like that. Yeah. I never watched that but I know what you're talking about. California Dreamin or something like that. Yeah, it's I more so went for like the Saved by the bell and those those versions of shows some of it some these got too intense for me, you know 12 I was I was all about Doss's Creek goes in it same way

So I got wrapped up in the OC when that was going. I fucking love that show. OC season one and season two are gold. Prime. You can't get better than that. But then it takes a real hard dive and it gets terrible. And I forget, I don't think this one takes that big of a dive as it goes on. I think it stays pretty consistent. We'll find out. But it's definitely up there. It's fantastic. I mean, it's Charlie Conway, Joshua Jackson. And Pacey, my God, Pacey is a legend.

He's just a fucking legend. He's my favorite. Yeah, I don't know how you, I mean, it's obviously. Obviously Pacey is fantastic. Something that Katie Holmes is just surprised. I think she surprised me so much. Like, like how much I liked her character. Like I said, it's all the facial expressions, the glares have me rolling.

Every time Katie Holmes glares at someone, the side eye, oh, so good. Her side eye is amazing. Fantastic. One of the best side eyes I've ever seen. Like my favorite will forever be when they meet the mom and Bob in the clothing store. And she is just staring daggers through them. Oh, so good. Yeah.

So good. Anyways, anyways, do you have any final thoughts on these episodes? This is fantastic. Like I, you know, we each each of these runs, it's been like two hours. There's just so much to unpack and they're so good. They're so good. I know I try. I try to divvy it up without it. You know, without taking a year, too many episodes over, but you know, we'll get to, we'll get around to it.

It'll be good, you know. Yeah. Anyways, anyways, any, any final thoughts though, for, for, for, for something? I mean, hold on Heath, I think it's gonna get, it's gonna get even wilder. One more day. Give us another, give us some,

some truly madly deeply to close it out here. Oh, hold on. I gotta, um, I gotta get the song back in my head. Cause I, um, or if you can find the lyrics for that thing, what's the song called again? I want you. Okay. Anytime I need to see your face, I just close my eyes and I'm taking to a place where you're crystal. Wait, hold on. Shit. That's not. You gotta go quicker. He's way quicker than that. Oh yeah. Okay.

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