The Cake Eaters - 115. Dawson's Creek Season 2: Episodes 12-17

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

More Creek Action! The boys continue through Season 2 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 12-17. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, terrible fathers, life on the water, people spitting in other people's faces, public displays of affection, and Jack coming out.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win them! It's all been done. It's all been done. It's all been done before. And I am totally blanking on how the normal parts go, but I just love that. It's sound band down. We've talked about it multiple times. Very Naked Ladies is legit. Yeah.

And freaking, whoever does the music for Dawson's Creek loves some B&L. You know, the second time they popped up, which one did they pop up in this time? It was the, uh, it was, uh, was wasn't his leading lady when they're doing the movie. Right. I think so. I don't know. We'll come to it. I took a lot better notes this time because I was relying too heavily on AI and

it, the AI notes kept confusing me, you know, like it kept like throwing my brain off and mixing in all the episodes. So this time I was like, damn it. I just got to like jot down my own thoughts while this is going along. So I can kind of like keep the episodes together. Cause otherwise, you know what I mean? By the time we get to the sixth episode, it's like, wait, it's all, it's all. I blacked out basically.

Like it's, I freaking loved this first episode though, Brandon. Like it was- The first episode was good. I actually- Uncharted Waters. It was so good. I actually watched this one as part of the last chunk we did for the last episode.

Oh, no way. Okay. So you knew what we were getting into. Oh yeah, yeah. It was a good thing because on this rewatch, getting ready for this episode, I put this one back on so I was re're watching this and then the next episode started and I got maybe five seconds into the next episode and I fell asleep and then I woke up to the,

oh shit, he's gay stuff. And I was like, oh God, I missed away. Like where were we? You missed so much stuff there. Like they, like, I told you this offline, when they first started getting into it, I was like, oh boy, 1999, this storyline, I was like, son of a gun,

there's gonna be so many horrifying things that we're probably gonna have to touch on. And then I was like, you know, for 1999, they landed that plane really well. Like I- They did very well. I was shocked almost at like how I like got done. I was like son of a gun.

That was well done. Like that would like that would pass easy today. You know, like there was nothing anything overly offensive by any means. Like I thought the way Dawson's Creek go goes for it. I was like, oh no. Oh no, how bad is this gonna get? Yeah, not to talk about that episode before we get ahead of ourselves,

but the only thing that I was like, ooh, it wasn't even that bad, but I was just like, they were treading down dangerous waters was the whole Abby trying to turn him thing. That got a little weird, but they you know, they they didn't they didn't botch it. So they didn't they didn't and they thought they did a great job with like grams. And it's like, you know, like the grams is the fucking best, dude, when that dude has a wife, I almost, I almost threw a fucking fit.

Cause why, what's he doing all that if he's got a wife? I thought the same thing. I was, I, I was so mad. I think I just tried to block it out because like Graham's got all dolled up too. She was like, Oh dude, I just, that like broke my heart. And so I think my brain was just like, dude, these have been some wild episodes. I'm just gonna try and ignore that because like her statement when she was like,

who the fuck are you to cause judgment? You are a snot-nosed 17 year old, 16 year old kid. Like get out of here, man. Like if anyone's gonna do judgment, it's gonna be the fucking guy, not some shit head kid from Northeast, you know, America. It's just, you know, Gramps did a great job there. Sorry, I forgot what I was saying there,

halfway through the sentence, but like, Graham's fricking, I just, I literally said all that, I was like, Graham, Graham, like that's it, like, come on man. And cause that's where, you know, like not to get into it or anything, but that's where Christianity sometimes loses people, dude. It's like, hey, let's not judge people. Let's not cast that other stone.

Let's just let people, let people live, man. And like, if this kid has got to figure out some, some shit in small town America, for the love of God, the least you can do is be nice to him, you know? That's like the least you can do is just be nice. You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but it's not in your fucking business for what he's going through, you know?

Anyways, we don't need to belabor it, we can dig into this first episode, but I just had to say, I was so nervous when they started getting into that, and then they landed the play, and I was like, thank God. Thank God we didn't just have like a normal human conversation about this instead of like trying to tiptoe around like, holy crap, can you believe they said that

out loud on a TV show? So anyways, anyways, yeah, it's this first episode though, Brandon, Uncharted Waters, and we meet Pacy's dad Again, right like cuz we saw him a little bit, but this is the first time we really really meet Pacy's yeah Yeah, and my god the only thing that like what I exclaim one time like at the end of the episode I was like this guy fucking sucks. Oh, yeah his the episode I was like, this guy fucking sucks. Oh, yeah. This is damn it. His because like you said, there's only like one time where you like

gasp and you're like, Oh God, but every single line he has throughout the whole entire episode is so like backhanded. Yeah. And like I say that's your kid, dude. Shut them. Like if you don't like him, look in the mirror, you know, like don't quit being

such a dick to him. And maybe he won't. That drove me. But I do have to say, Pacey's dad's lines to Dawson. I lost it when he says he's a side cinematic of under can. He is a great dad to Dawson. He is a great dad to Dawson. He is a great dad to Dawson. If he gave Basie even half of that energy

that he gives to Dawson, Basie would be so good. Like, hey, Basie's already coming around. We'll get into that episode, but I thought that was so good. Don't forget us when you're a big shot in La La Land. And then he has to do it because he can't help himself. And he says, yeah, and you can come visit Pacey at whatever burger joint he's flipping at because he can't do anything.

It's like, oh God, God, can you just compliment Dawson and move on you jackass? Like if you're gonna, like, you know, he needs to watch Bambi again, honestly. If you can't say something nice, don't say something at all. You know, like that's a, that's a Thumper's mom told us as you'd, you know, like we need, we need Pacey's dad to get back there. Cause that was, it's, it's, it was very frustrating to watch.

Cause I, I know people who have parents like this and I know people in general who are like this, where it's like, everything they say is like a tear down. No matter the situation, no matter, you know, the venue, everything has to be just a slight little take down. And it's like, my God, Jesus. And I was probably the, I was like the misinterpreted Dawson in this situation, like where all the parents are like thinking that I was one way, but you know,

I was really a savage the whole time. And so if someone's peer, I always tried to like deflect though, you know, back to, I was like, okay, like it's, you don't need to, you know, think I'm the greatest thing. I am a disaster. Like let's be honest with ourselves here, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Be like, Keith, you're just such a good kid. And I was like, yeah, well, you know, I guess. If you say so. Yeah, it's because you only see me for five seconds at a time. You see the perception that I want you to see. Yeah. You see nothing else, like That's it, you know?

But anyways, I also love, he's like, come prepared both mentally and physically. As soon as he said that, I was like, boy, we're in for a real jackassery. And like him yelling at Pacey in front of everyone for the fishing pole. And you know, it's just, if Pacey didn't He didn't get the why then just re explained the why it's like, Hey man.

So the reason why I wanted to make sure that we had this front one on this side of the boat is so that the line didn't break because it's maybe stronger, but like, I don't know, it just, I just didn't like, it didn't like his leadership, I guess you could say, you know, just, just real critical of his leadership. Yeah. Wait, so they're, they're, just real critical of his leadership. Yeah. Um,

wait, so they're, they're, they're doing a fishy trip. They're going on a fish trip. Uh, it's like a competition, right? Like, uh, it's some weird competition. Um, that's why there's a whole bunch of other books. Yeah. I'll finish. I got it.

And, um, so we have, uh, Casey, his dad, Dawson and his dad, Mitch. And then we get Jack roped into this too. I did love Mitch's what his lines when they're walking to the boat, they're like on the dock or whatever. And he's like, he's all fucking pumped. He's all like optimistic. And he's like, he's all fucking pumped. He's all optimistic and he's like, it's like, ah, doesn't the ocean just,

I forget exactly what he says, but he's like, don't you just love the ocean? So many possibilities, you know, living on a boat in the sea. And I get that 100%. Every time I'm on a boat or near a dock, I'm like, you know what, I could do it. Like I could, I'll just go live on the sea. I'm going to buy a boat. I'm going to, I'm going to live on the ocean.

And when I, when I was in Seattle, I heavily looked into buying a houseboat. Um, but those things are fucking nightmares. Yeah. They're very, very difficult for upkeep. Very expensive for upkeep too. Yeah. Um, but one of these days I'm going to be a sailor. Um, Kelly's dad got a new boat and it's like a fucking spaceship. It's so cool. I think it's like Lake boats and ship though. Right.

It's like speedboats. Yeah. Yeah. He's got, he's a, he's a, he's a lake person. Yeah. He's the reason it's, but I mean, there's houseboats on the lake. Like, um, I'm a, I'm an ocean. Yeah.

I'm not a lake guy. I'm an ocean. Okay. Okay. That's well, that's where you're on the lake. Like, Yeah, but I'm an ocean, I'm an ocean. Okay, well, that's where you're gonna get much more wear and tear in your ocean craft too, right? But no, he's got the boat, like we used to have to like manually put on like the wake shaper. Now the boat just like forms a wake automatically.

It's nice. Like, dude, the tech, it's like. It's nice. Like, dude, the tech, it's like, it really is like you just plug the shit that you want into the iPad and it almost drives itself. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Pretty cool. But I had a, I had a, uh, growing up, I did lakes a bunch. I had a, uh, I don't even know what the relation would be. Maybe like a, a cousin once removed type thing. Nice uncle once removed type thing.

Nice uncle once removed type thing. Um, and they had, uh, they had a six speed boat and tubes and all that banana boats and all that shit. Yeah. And so we, every summer we'd go out on the boat. It's good time. I never got into wakeboarding though. I'm not a, it's a weird crap.

Wakeboarding is hard. Surfing is a lot easier to pick up and kind of like do, you know? Like actual surfing? Well, it's wake surfing. Oh, wake surfing, okay. Yeah, wake surfing and wakeboarding are two very different monsters.

So when you're behind the rope. Didn't even know that. Yeah. Is surfing without the toe? So you still have the toe rope to help pull you up. But then if you're skilled, like the rest of the family, you can ride the wake. I have like a mental block where I can't let go of that rope

because as soon as I do my- I wouldn't be able to either. As soon as I let go, because like I'll ride the wake with like barely even holding onto the rope. But as soon as I drop it, my brain instinctually tips back, and that's the brakes. And so I just float back out of the wake as soon as I drop it.

But it's a good time. It's not bad. I do have to say, Brandon, real quick, it's been a minute since I've watched the Dawson's Creek episodes, and I forgot Jack's name a minute since I've watched the Dawson's Creek episodes and I forgot Jack's name until they said it. And so I was like, in my, when I was jotting stuff down, I was like, Pacey forgets to tell Dawson that he invited and he can see where my brain went.

Oh shit. And I went, Tim, Zach, Justin question mark onto the boat. I was close with Zach. Jack, Zach. Yeah. You're in the ballpark. Yeah. Yeah. That's the, that's the bar still got a Zach. Oh my God. Shout out Zach. Did you see all the new stuff or he all the late like, what's good? Did I send you the clip where he said he's not an intercourse

greatest? That's the greatest thing he ever could have said in his life. He is. Yeah. Yeah. And then it just started flood. Then the flood gates opened up. Right. Yeah. That's I mean, that's that's that's the best bait you can throw out there in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone wants what they can't have. And I mean, God, Joey kind of did that here, too. I was Kelly came down.

She's like, what's going on in Dawson's Creek? I was like, ugh, Joey's doing the thing where like she doesn't want him, but she kind of wants him and it's like some back and forth. And it's like, you know, it's everyone just needs to cut real quick and then, and then regroup, you know? Yeah. But anyways, it's,

the other half of this episode, like, cause there's two halves to this episode. First half, we start with the boys on the boat doing the fishing competition. And then we got Joey getting jealous of Jen because Jen is getting so close to Dawson and his family. And Jen set up a little, what do teens want type of interview with Dawson's mom for the news station. They're going to do like some, just like a, they're doing a hang session and then it turned into a girl's night,

summer party. Yes. And then it turned into an Abby ruins everything. Well, that's not surprising. Her little fucking, when she like storms away and she's talking to Andy and she's like, uh, she's doing the whole on the victim thing. That was infuriating. Yeah. She was like being an asshole.

Doesn't make you a victim. Like if people, if you're an, if you're mean to everyone around you and shitty to everyone around you and then they are shitty back to you, you know? Yes. It's like, you know what I would do? I would just quit being such a fucking asshole all the time. Like you can stop. You act like, it's like, well, I'm just an asshole.

It's like, well, you could stop. That is a choice. It's like, well, it's just who I am. Well, then you suck, you know? Like, and if you can't come to terms that you suck, then that's on you. Live in your world of delusion. Probably we have the opposite problem, Brandon.

It's like, we know how much we suck. No one needs to, do you remember what I used to say back in the day in the office? I'd be like, listen, you need to calm down. No one hates me more than me. Just stop. Kelly outlawed me from saying that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's up? You know, you shouldn't say that out loud. It's not very nice to yourself. And I was like, but it's true. Yeah.

Yeah. It could be, yeah. Yeah, it could be taken the wrong way. Yeah, yeah. I know. I always tell people, I have, I know how terrible I am and how, you know, I mean, I'm not terrible, but I, I hate myself so much that I automatically assume that everybody hates me unless you

specifically and repeatedly tell me that you don't. Yes, that's exactly. Yeah. Hitting on me. Good luck to you. Oh yeah. Cause I'm going to be the last person to know. I will never get that message. Never.

Even when I was young and handsome, it never like, like my buddies, like, Hey, he did. Did you talk to that girl? I was like, what? What? Like, Oh, no shit. No shit. Okay. Cool. Too bad I missed that, but cool.

Yeah. Yeah. Classic. Yeah, I had that all the time too. It's like, you know, they were, they were hitting on you. It's like, what? They were, they were not. It's like, you know, they get crazy. Do they know how much I suck. That's crazy. Anyways, self deprecation aside. So the Jack and Dawson back and forth on the boat too, like knowing what we know now, what a waste of time. That is my only complaint about this whole storyline

is they didn't really do enough prep for it my only complaint about this whole thing is the They didn't do it. They didn't really do enough prep for it because they just think all of a sudden it was like holy shit Joey and Jack just broke up because Jack's gay but like We never even got a hint or a sniff or a clue of it He is they they you know allude to him, you know, is he, is he gay or is he bisexual? So I don't think he fully knows that yet. He's on the spectrum somewhere. Yeah. Which I guess is it kind of, that kind of makes up for it a little bit, but yeah, I wish they would have done a little more.

Bread work or not. A handful of breadcrumbs, right? Like just a handful of breadcrumbs to start like, not even necessarily breadcrumbs or like chinks in the handful of breadcrumbs to start like, not even necessarily breadcrumbs, they're just like chinks in the, in the armor of like some, you know, like of, of, of the relationship. Not even that. I would just like, I guess, I don't know. I, I don't know how you would, you would, you know, prep it a a little bit but I wish they would have they throw him in to split them up real quick and it kind of came out of nowhere right so yeah we get so that's that's the thing him and joey came out of nowhere it's just yeah i don't know it was

it's just whiplash from all of the all which I guess it makes sense for teenagers, you know, fucking. A month feels like a year, but you're right, right? Cause like we literally episode one where whiplash from the kiss. And then all of a sudden it's like two episodes, like second episode not already breaking up. You didn't even get a Dawson Joe.

That was like fifth episode. Like the Dawson Joey relationship was like a freaking, what is it? It's burning too close to the sun, man. Like it just burned out. Yeah. Like that was, it burnt so quick and so fast and so hot. And then all of a sudden it was Jack. And then all of a sudden it's like, wait, Jack is like not even in the picture.

And now they're best friends. And it's like, holy cow. There's a lot going on in the picture and now their best friends is like, holy cow. This is that there's a lot going on in the creek. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's it was a lot of whiplash for a lot of different things. So, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they would. I don't know how I would have done it better. But I yeah, I just feel like they got us so invested in.

Like the whole Jack Dawson beef. And it's like, yeah. And it's like, so now, and yeah, that whole investment into that, cause when they were fighting, I was like, oh, this is good. Like this is like what we could small town fighting over the same girl stuff.

What they could have done is we could have cut two episodes, right? We could have cut two episodes of, uh, Joey, Jack, breaking up, uh, Dawson and just have Dawson and Joey fizzle out. Yeah. Like we didn't, we that's the, that's my problem is we didn't need Jack to be the third, the third wheel, the extra guy. Yeah.

Um, we didn't, we didn't. Yeah. Their love could have easily burnt out on its own. Like what's that? With twin flames, right? Is that what they, like when you, when you find your twin flame, it's, um, it burns hot and bright, but quick. That's not, I don't know. Maybe that's the soulmate. I might be remembering that wrong, but like whenever it is that I do, I think you're right. Like they could have just like, like, like the whole,

cause like that's where I thought they were going to go with it too, right? If like the whole best friends, it's hard to make that transition to relationship. And like that whole dichotomy of, especially when you've known each other forever, like that, like that's a big shift in like dynamic. And, and Joey trying to find herself before she's just attached

as Dawson's plus one. Like I there's, that happens all the time. Like that's a real life scenario of, of someone being like, Hey, this is going too fast for me. And like, I need to figure out who I am before I'm you, you like a person, a portion of you. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we just, we didn't, you didn't need Jack to be the, the breaker upper. He could have, him and Joey could have just been friends and then he struggles with this thing. I don't know. Yeah. It just, whatever. It's a, it was, I do, I do think that's how I want to change this. I want to cut all that. Cause you cut like two episodes. We We could have fucking wrapped this shit up.

Yeah. The love triangle is a complete unnecessary at this point. But anyways, that's the thing is you're, you're introduced to the new, a new love triangle. We already had, we already have a built in love triangle with Pacey. I mean, he's with Andy now, but still you don't need to just just you don't need to throw in a completely. I feel like they're they're They're and you have Jen's so it's a love square. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you don't get the whole Jen thing see yeah so I I don't know I feel like they they have their Pigeon holding themselves into a love triangle. And because of that, when somebody goes and gets a girlfriend, they have to bring in a new character

and throw in another triangle. And it's like, we're, it's too many people. We got too many people going on. Quick question. Do you think Dawson was right that Pacey was in the wrong? Never, I don't even know what you're gonna ask, but never. Sorry. Never. I don't even know what you're gonna ask, but never. Sorry. No.

Well, cause, you know, Dawson gets so mad at Pacey not telling him about Jack and like, cause I just, I didn't know who was right there. You know what I mean? Like, cause I was like, cause Pacey was kind of like, dude, fuck off Dawson. I got enough shit going on. I'm dating her.

I think that's what it was. His sister. I'm dating her. I think that's what it was. I mean, I lean on I lean on neither on being in the right but giving Pacey a break because I feel like he's got a lot more shit to do. I feel like what happened was like the day before Andy was like, Hey, can you please take Jack? And he was like, Yeah, sure. No problem. And then he just didn't never ran into Dawson again. Yeah, it's not like we have cell phones. Yeah. I can't text each other. Right. And it's, I don't know about you, but I wasn't calling the bros on the landline unless it was to like come over or

hang out or something like that. Like, you're not just, you know, you, you call the ladies on the landline and then you're twirling in the cord and stuff. Did you ever live through that? I never twirled the cord because by the time I was calling people, it was cordless. Oh, okay. Okay. We, we, we did have a, uh, we had like a wall phone for a while that was corded. Um, but that was like in the kitchen. So I'm not, I'm not twirling in the kitchen in front of everybody, you know?

So our cordless was upstairs in the main room, but we also, because I wasn't, I wasn't like, it rings, it would ring like five or six times. And by the time I would like pause my game, sprint up the stairs and try and like grab the phone. They were probably hanging it up by then. So my dad put a lamb line in the basement so that I quit missing phone calls.

And, but then I used it in middle school to, um, chit chat and then it was just me in the, in the basement, which was my territory. So I would just twirl and move and, you know, I'd be, got the, you know, like phone on the shoulder, playing some, some friggin, especially if you had the, did you have the little cushion? No, no, it wasn't that big. It was like an old phone that you could put on the second hand. That's how you knew you were living in luxury, is if the phone had the little cushion on

the side so you could put it on your shoulder. Yeah, that was, we're not doing that. We got a phone that was left behind at the apartment site. That was the maintenance man. That's half the shit that we had when I was a kid. It's pretty cool. You know, it's just, we just lived in other people's stuff. But like for my area in the basement,

it was much better to have free shit that you could break and no one cared about, you know? But anyways, the other thing that I had, that had me dying, so outside of Abby, just like, I knew that was gonna happen. She was gonna Bogard the whole interview and like speak over everyone. So it was funny when she got kicked out,

but when they decided to jump and go spy in Dawson's room and they find goodwill humping. I forgot, I completely forgot about that. How could you forget about that, Brandon? I died, I was like, God, we used to be a proper country, you know, we used to have porn spin-offs of every major title that hit the theaters. And it was just the funniest shit in the world. And just the like, I thought they did a good job because like I told Kelly about the scene. I was like, oh my God, I was dying.

Like the girls who are watching porn, she's like, teenage girls didn't do that. I was like, no, they did a good job. I was like, they found it in his room when they were spying on him. So they're like, we got to check it out. And she's like, Oh, that's how it would happen. Yeah.

She was doubting how it happened at first. But you don't, I don't care whose room you're in. You don't find that and not watch it. Yeah. Every human. Yeah. And that's when she was like, Oh, that makes, that makes perfect sense. And did you hear what they, what they say, what they called Dawson masturbating?

I wrote a couple of them down. Oh my God. One of them, one of them, which is unhinged, shaking hands with the unemployed. Oh, yeah. OK, this is one I'm going to use from now on. Boxing the bald headed bishop. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. And then test firing the missile.

I thought that was I thought that was kind of lame. That's a little crass. Yeah, that was that was kind of lame. Oh, the another line that I really liked was when Dawson's mom proposed the girls night and Abby's like, Oh, or not. Abby Andy was like, Oh, Abby can't do this. She's got to make her regular rounds on her broomstick. That was a good one.

I know that was a real who, um, I put, um, I put in my notes at some point. I was like, I think we can all agree that Pacey's dad needs to chill. That's just a random thought that I sprinkled in dude fucking sucks. I just, and then the way he just gets out, like to be that big of a jackass and then just get blackout drunk and Pacey lets his dad win and then has to carry his ass home. Ugh. Yeah. That's a real bad look, Brandon. It's a rough look. It's a rough look.

And especially after, oh my, and like Pacey crushed it, right? Like he did such a good job. He, he didn't want to be the grunt on the boat, but he did what his dad asked him to and he did all the grunt work. And then he, when the fish was getting jacked, Jack's like, Pacey, you do it. I don't wanna lose this fish. And then he catches the fish

that helps them win the tournament. They've got the trophy and his fucking dad can't just, like, what is, that's, that's psychotic to me. Like that just, I mean, I guess actually I should just switch that instead of being like that. Psychotic to me. Shout out to my parents, right? Like shout out to my parents to like, even though we communicate through yelling and none of us are perfect,

it's just, at least I think that parents being rude to their kids is just an unheard of unhinged thing. Right? Like my folks were tough, but fair, you know, like they were never mean, they were never cruel. They were always kind, but they had, you know, ran a tight ship. And I don't know, like that's I guess it just says more about them that I'm just like this guy. I can't even fathom this guy being that mean to it's your kid. Yeah, it's wild. That's that's what it gets me. It's like it's yours, dude. Yeah, I do know parents like this

My dad wasn't my dad. I was just talking to my sister the other day my dad God bless his heart. He was He was really good at cuz he got thrown into being a single dad and He had zero aptitude of being a parent before that He was he was a workaholic before my mom died, so he was constantly gone. And then got thrown into being seen whole head.

So he was not prepared. But he was really good at the nurturing side. He was really good at listening and comfort talks, all that kind of stuff. But he was terrible at like day to day organizational management type of stuff. So like, like he was a good person to go talk to you. But if you needed somebody to take you to baseball practice, you're on your own, dude. You know, can't do it all.

Brandon, you got to pick your battles. I honestly think I'm thankful that he was not, you know, it wasn't the reverse. Yeah. Oh my God. But yeah, I just, that was the biggest takeaway from this. I just could not believe that. I do know parents like this. I've seen it and it's unbelievable. It's ridiculous

When when his dad said here you take the trophy enjoy the moment because you probably won't have any more of these I It's all because it's all on That's how I'm on that's how they get you because it's like what they start saying something nice And then it's always the last thing they leave you with is just a fucking cut down and you're like, like we were so close. So yeah, like he didn't even have to like go above and beyond. He was he could have just focused on the day. He didn't need to even like, you know what I mean? Just like, hey, you did a good job today.

If he needed to like, not acknowledge that, just let, let sleeping dogs lie. I guess, but like that, he could have just very, Hey, great job with that fish today. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, anyways, it doesn't matter. Um, what I, I, what do, do we need to comment on anything about the the the wrap up to the girls hanging out in the room? Because like it was it was a Abby got kicked out and then

they all kind of like opened up about vulnerabilities and insecurities. And then you have to go back to just to go back to Abby's victim monologue where she she she tries to win the victim and then Andy's like well you're just fucking mean as fuck and then she goes well the reason I mean is because my life is just so boring I don't have she says I don't have family life like you guys and I would when she first said that I was like what is she talking about she's we all, all she does is talk about how terrible their families are.

And that's, that's what she's jealous of is how terrible their families are. Yeah. She's like my mind, my mom, my parents' divorce is drama free. It's so boring. Nothing bad ever happens. And it's like, that's what you're upset about is that nothing, nothing bad happens to you. Okay. Yeah. She literally says like, I like, um, I'm the one. She's like, I'm the one everyone loves to hate and being sweet is boring. And that's when Andy calls her out and she's like, yeah, I create the drama.

It's a valid extracurricular activity. That's how she justified it. Is it's her extracurricular activity. Wow. I was really nervous at first when like Andy and Abby kind of seemed like they were passing the olive branch. I was like, Oh, last thing sweet Andy needs is that menace Abby in her life.

She had enough going on. We'll talk about it when we get to the episode. But Andy and Jack had an opportunity to really make that That episode with their dad like hit and they're over acting with the tears really lost me I was like damn it. This should be a heartfelt moment And all I can all I can do is be like Jack should never fake cry ever again Yeah, it wasn't the best because I was ready for it. You know what I mean? I was like, oh this is to be a moment right here.

And then I was like, it just didn't quite it wasn't bad, right? But I just I just thought that they don't know if it was over acted or maybe it's like not everyone. I think it was authentic tears and drama. Yes, I think it was a combination of he went real big with the tears and then also the dad was giving them nothing. He was a terrible actor. No offense to that guy, but he was bad at his job.

Yep. Yep. And he, he, he just stood there like a, like a wet noodle, you know, just like pretending to be bad. Talk, talk about terrible dads. Ugh. Oh, well, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, we, yeah, we'll get into that guy being like the ultimate like piece of shit ever. Like that's, he doesn't suck. Like that guy is a human piece of fecal matter. Like that's just, there's no other way to describe it.

Like to get hammered and then have your wife drive home and then she gets in an accident and it kills your son and she has a mental breakdown because of it and you blame abandoning your family on work dude dude that's that's wild but anyways all right episode 13 his leading lady and we get the debut of the one, the only Josie and the pussycat, um, Rachel Lee cook. Yes. I love Rachel Lee cook also from psych. Yeah.

Oh, I was, you know, I was coming with that dude. Those, when she's in there, that's like what the, um, uh, yin and yang killer episodes, she plays Abigail. Yeah. Sean's girlfriend. And I love the, um, the reunion episode when they try to do all like the high school movies and stuff, when they like go on a date to their reunion, loved that episode.

She's, she's fantastic. I've, um, you know, I've seen Josie and the pussy cats probably more than any human, human person should, but Kelly loves that movie. And so like we, we watch it, you know, um, not has it, we almost did it for her birthday weekend where it just chillin. I was like, do you want to watch like, there's watch it, you know, not has it. We almost did it for her birthday weekend. We're just chilling. I was like, do you want to watch like, there's nothing on. Do you want to watch this?

Whatever you want to watch. We almost did Josie and the Bussycats. I can't remember what we went with. What's that? But so, Dawson and Joey, this episode kicks off with Dawson and Joey having their first movie night post-breakup and they talk about who do we cast as Sammy. This fucking movie, dude.

Well, first of all, it's so fucked up of Dawson to do a movie like almost shot for shot of their lives. Like I just, I don't, I just don't find. Not just of their lives. This shit happened five weeks ago. Yeah. And it's like, don't air out the exact dirty, the fact that Joey lets him get away with this

and doesn't like make a bigger stink about it is beyond me. Like you changed the character names, but you change nothing else. Do you not? And then he goes around telling everybody it's based on her. Yeah. And I did. I was cracking up when Devin was mimicking Joey. Oh, yeah. When she goes to the ice house. Oh, that was really, really incredible.

That's the best part. It was after she scares Joey away because she's joining Mimicor. She pulls Jack over and she goes, Jack, do you know that waitress? And he's like, yeah, you could say that. He goes, she goes, I need you to tell me everything you know about her. The most psychotic thing you could ever hear. Oh, the thing that I was trying to explain earlier that I didn't feel like I didn't do a good job of

was the beginning of this episode where Joey is surprised that Dawson let go. And then Dawson says, well, the reason I let go is because I saw you let go. And so I figured I have to at this point. And then she kind of got mad about it. And I was like, ah, you can't get mad at him about letting you go if you were the one

that started dating someone else. And like, you know, you instigated the letting go when you started dating someone else immediately and during the relationship, right? And so like, I don't know, that just kind of, that just kind of bugged me a little bit. You know what bugged me the most is the fact that we have a 16 year old girl in a college art class with naked adults.

Just, is that not inappropriate? It's am I, am I a prude? Am I weird? Is that? We talked about this when it was, when the first one was a man and we were like, why are they doing this? Uh, and then, then you, I think you mentioned that she's doing it at the college, which makes more sense. But yeah, she is still 16 years old. I guess if she's,

if she's getting forms signed, I guess it's fine. I guess maybe a parental waiver. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's not reading through a parental waiver. She's oh, Bessie. No, no, especially if it's for and if I was Bessie, I wouldn't either. If Joey came up to me, if I was Bessie and Joey came up to me and was like, I want to take an art class, I would be like, I'd be like, no questions asked. Go for it.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, oh, my God, an extracurricular. You're not just going to walk around being grumpy all the time. Let's go, dude. Like, let's get you out of here. And all the naked people you want. I don't care. So anyways, and then Dawson does exactly what you would expect Dawson to do when he surprises her in the class. So I got I have I have problems with this.

I have problems with this because it's a naked art class. And I have problems with it, even if it wasn't a naked art class. You don't just walk into a fucking classroom, dude. I agree. I did the lack of self-aware. And that's like when the teachers like, get the fuck out of here.

I was like, yeah, dude. Like, what do you, first of all, like I feel like any 16 year old boy would have reacted like Dawson did, but like- Well, yes, but to walk into the class in the first place. Who are you? Yeah, like, you're just encroaching upon Joey's like, anyways. Cause imagine if that's a history class, right?

And the teacher is mid lecture, right? Yeah. And Dawson bolts in, in the middle of like, no matter what class it is, you're fucking rude. Yeah, I. And what was he what was he giving her? He was just it was the script. Oh, yeah. She doesn't give a fuck about that script. Yeah, he wanted to give her like the first release of some so that she could do through and he couldn't wait. It could not. I not to jump ahead. Because you know that class is in like six hours.

It's like an hour or two. Yeah, yeah, she'll be at school in an hour and a half, two hours tops. Like, meet her there. Yeah. Not to jump ahead though, but when it gets to the psychic episode and there's that new substitute teacher

and she fucking rips into his movie. I've never been happier in my life. I at first, when it felt like there was flirty banter between them, I was like, for the love of God, can we stop with the student teacher dynamic? Can we get it? Like, I get it. There is the teacher, student power dynamic. What? Like, can we just, can we just let these kids go one week without being seduced by an older person? Because that's, I was like, Jesus Christ, here we go again. But then it's like you said, like,

she just tells him, like, and she said it perfectly too. Right. She's like, those vultures will eat you alive. She's like, they're going to Terry a sweet, naive, innocent little shit. Like you, they're going to eat you for breakfast. Yeah. And then they'll do the happy Gilmore and you eat pieces of shit for breakfast. No, I'm kidding. And she wasn't, she wasn't wrong about any of her stuff. It was all correct.

It was all valid critiques. She maybe could have said it in a less aggressive way, but I feel like she needed to to get through to Dawson. I was just gonna say that. There was no other way she would have like helped hit that because, and honestly, she was doing him a favor, you know? Like she, because she is seen and she said it, right? Like she's seen a thousand kids like him go out to LA

and then just, they end up homeless almost, right? Because they just fail and they fall and then you're stuck and what do you do? And so anyways, that was a good thing. I laughed so hard when Pacey pulled the pill bottle out of the trash and they spelled Xanax, Xanax, Z-A-N-A-C. Oh, did they?

I didn't catch that. No. Yeah. They said instead of Xanax, I did Xanax. They probably couldn't get the, couldn't get the, the, the blessing from Xanax. Yeah. Yeah. I just shout out to people that can, um, you know, I just,

just that stuff makes me like lose a whole day. Oh yeah. Like I've, I don't think I've ever actually ever taken it, but I don't, I do, I do not think I could. No, it's you. And if you have one sip of a Bevy, at least for me, it's like my, like I will wake up the next morning and I'll be like, Jesus Christ, like I don't remember anything about it today. So that's where I, not for your guy here, but anyways, so we also have Grams introducing us

to Jen's new boy toy, big Tyson tie Hicks. She got him from the church. Yep. Yep. And he seemed like a somewhat chill guy out first, right? Or not. Like where he was like, Hey, let's go to this. And then he started taking them to the club. How did these kids get into that club like that too? Like, good Lord. Yeah. There was a lot of underage clubbing and drinking in these stretches. And I mean, they do look, they are old.

They do look old. They don't look like 16 year olds. Um, that's true. I guess. But yeah, this is, this is the episode where we get some, uh, where we get our intro song, um, cause I have it here. I said some real great BNL during the shooting montage for the film.

That's right. Woo hoo hoo, it's our old band. It's been one week since you looked at me. We also get the, we also get the L word also get the the the Elwood drop from Pacey in this episode after he's Andy has her non. She stops taking her her prescription because she wrote

because the doctor stopped giving it to her. And she has like a. She has a crash out and then tries to break up with Pacey and Pacey's like, no, no, bro, that ain't happening. And then he drops the L word, dude. The L word. Yeah. Were you dropping L words in high school?

Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh dude. Like I, I was such a quick answer. Oh yeah. Like, sorry. Like I was cause cause like I, Kelly always said this too, as I am like a typical Aries, like I burn hot. Right? Like when I, if I like you, I like you. If I don't

like you, I'm never going to speak to you again for the rest of my life. Like it's, those are the two things and there's a little bit of in-between, but like it's the in-between comes when other people, you know what I mean? Like it's either, it's either all in or all out. I don't know. And that cracks me up how quick you are that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Multiple times.

Oh dude, I probably said it middle school. Oh my God, dude. I was like, I see, and like I said, I think I said this on the first episodes. I was small town. I was very much like Dawson. Like I tried to make life like a movie sometimes. And so like I would do like what I thought I was supposed to do based on what I had seen

from television. And sometimes that is moving at the speed of light relationship. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's that actually, I'd like to throw myself under the bus, but my God, it was, yeah, it was, it's just, just how, how she goes, you know? But yeah, that's that's pretty much all that happens at this episode is they're they're shooting the movie we get he cast Devin He's a cast of Devin is Sam as the lead role. Yeah Jen goes to the Bible study and so

We gotta talk about that. He so he's you can't blindside people with that. I would I would have I would have thrown a fucking fit, dude. If I'd sound we're throwing a fit, but I would I would have made a scene. I don't like getting surprised like that. You can't you can't do that. You can't surprise somebody like that. You can't surprise a Bible study on somebody that's on. I would have thrown I would have I would have caused a scene. They would have been calling me the devil by the time I left that house.

I would have. I feel like that's an it. But like, and even like looking at it the opposite way, too. Like, imagine if you told someone it was a Bible study and then it was a party. It's like the exact same. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's the same feeling of like, what the fuck am I getting into? Like, maybe it's me, too.

I don't like surprises. I need to know the parking situation. I need to understand that, you know, like I can't just fucking show up to a place and not know what I'm showing up to. That's crazy. I love, I love that this, this guy, so I, my sister's like lifelong friend

had a, is having a baby. She had her baby shower on Sunday and it was like, it was men, women, everybody kind of baby showers, everybody come. Um, and so, um, I went and, um, I got there a little late. It was at one, I got there at like one 20 ish, right? And so then I, I'm driving, my sister's already there. My sister's in the house. This is a house that I haven't been to before. So I get there, I park and I see what looks like the baby shower, right? And I have, I have the address, the address is matched. Still though, I don't trust it. Not

a, I'm a, I do not walk into places that I don't know. And so I parked, right when I parked, I called my sister. So I was gonna be like, you need to come out front and meet me out front before I just walk into somebody's house. Normal process for parties where you don't know anyone. And I knew people at the party, but they're all inside. When I drove by, there were some people outside. I didn't recognize a single face outside.

Not doing that. And so I'm not going to walk by people I don't recognize into a house that I haven't been in before, just in the hopes that somebody I know is in there. Brandon, you are literally describing my worst case scenario of being invited to a party. So I called her. She didn't answer. So I sat there and luckily I sat there for maybe a minute or two and then- I was hoping 10.

No, no, no. But the only reason it was that short is because my dad pulled up behind me and he got out and my dad has no shame at all. So I just went right behind him and he walked right in. And then once we got in, I made eye contact with my sister and I was like, you fucking son of a bitch. You answer your goddamn phone.

Oh, that is, that's amazing Brandon because I would have done everything the exact same. Yeah. I would not have changed a single moment in time, including the death glare at the sister and be like, you've gotta be fucking shitting me dude. Yeah. You bring me here to this unfamiliar place

and you're gonna make me just come in alone with strangers? My worst absolute nightmare is walking into somebody's house that I don't know. Like that's, like I- I think we did that in college once and we were just really drunk and they got a kick out of it. I've done that. Yeah. I did that multiple times in college because I was fucking wasted and I didn't

know the difference. Um, but next door. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, I, I will, uh, I will triple quadruple check addresses. Like is this the right, am I on the right fucking street? And then, yeah, I will call people and have them come out. So I'm not about, I'm not about to walk in. No, that's, that's crazy. Have you seen the, have you seen the Tik Tok drama lately? Oh, you're not super on Tik Tok, but there is a, there was an incident where like this exact thing happened. It was like, it was the 4th of July get together, and it was somebody who was in the group invited somebody else,

invited this lady who had just moved to the neighborhood. Oh, I don't think I paid attention to it, but I said, and they bullied her after she showed up? Yeah, they were super mean to her, and yeah, bullied her. That's my worst nightmare. Yeah Like that's my worst nightmare. Yeah, that's my worst nightmare. So the baby shower thing was, yeah, it was crazy.

Thankfully my dad did pull up. Otherwise, I would have sat out there for 30 minutes. If I didn't get a call back, I would have left. I would have been like, I'm done. I'm not going in. That's fantastic. I love your style. I remember very vividly. I felt have been like, I'm done. I'm not going in. That's fantastic. I love your style. I do. I remember very vividly. I felt really bad about it at the time because I was in my 20, I was like 25, um, or whatever, but I remember driving to go out with friends and we were going

to be drinking. So I couldn't really drink and drive home. And I, the traffic was shit. And as I was getting off the exit to go park and the traffic to get off the exit was a disaster, I literally just went, fuck it, fuck this, fuck the traffic, fuck the parking, fuck the club. And I turned around and I went home. I was like, I can't do this.

Like my whole body rejected driving to downtown Houston and going out. I was like, you know what, I'm not doing this. I fucking hate this shit. I do that all the time. Not all the time. But if I if I'm going somewhere and I can't find parking, I'm going home. Yeah. When where can I park is always the first.

Like the good news is, it's like shout out to Kel. She knows how psychotic I am about this stuff. And so she knows if there's no parking, we either need to figure it out or there's a good chance that I'm going to have a meltdown. One minute there. It's not gonna be fun. We're not gonna have fun.

I haven't done it in a while because I've got lucky and haven't had to fight for parking. But I'm trying to remember the last time I did that. But I've definitely done it before where like, I'll have plans, I'll get all the way down there and I can't find a parking spot. And I'll just text them and be like, not tonight. It's not happening.

I'm going home. It's not in not tonight. It's not in the cards. All right. Let's keep her cruising because we still have four more episodes and we already been talking for an hour, but my God, these were full episodes. But I do have to say before we get into the next two, I knew something was going to happen in the next two Brandon because I made sure a point to jot it down. I said Joey and Dawson hashing it out. Jack and Dawson seem cool. Vibes seem really high.

So there's a 100% chance some serious dramas right around the corner. And my God was I right, because we get next, the two parter of all two parters, to be or not to be, dot, dot, dot, is episode 14. And it leads into, that is the question. Hi didn't even, I didn't realize he did that. Yeah, they were real on the nose with that one. But yeah, we, my God, it's, I do have to say to Joey, not a big fan of the PDA.

What are your thoughts on PDA? Like, do you have strong opinions on PDA? Public displays of affection? Because like Jack wanted to kiss her in the hallway and she was like, not. Oh, I was probably asleep for that part. He might have been. I remember her once, once they write the slur on his locker for going up and making a big deal about kissing him. And that makes sense now that she she originally said, No, don't do it. Okay. Um, I am. I'm indifferent. I don't care. I'm not a big I don't care if other

people do it. No, like, I don't care. So my favorite to watch people make out but like, I'll just look away. What's there's a line where like it gets it gets crazy. But like if you want to, you a kiss or anything like that, all for it. Make out, maybe, you know, after, give it a minute, and then after a minute, let's wrap this up, okay? I'm probably two against PDA, if I'm being honest.

I could probably show many more displays of affection if I'm just looking internally and critiquing myself. Like, Kelley deserves more displays of affection than I sometimes give. You know, like, it's like at first, sometimes like grabbing the hand and I would accidentally jerk it away and be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

Instincts were like, someone's touching you, like fight or flight, you know, and so that stopped luckily, you know, like, I mean, it also to be fair, like, I've also had a few girls where they either cheated on me or broke up with me because they're like, you know, honestly, I didn't know if you liked me. And it's like, well, that's how I show affection. That's how you know, I like you when you think I don't like you. Yeah, it's like, yeah, like, do you, what do you want from me? We want me to tell you, like, I don't know what's telling you. Like it's it.

But anyways, yeah, I got, I was like, Oh, you know, Joey, same thing. I'm, I'm not a, like, I don't care if other people do it. I'm not a big, I don't do it myself. Um, I don't know. Like, Hey, I'm all for handholding. I'm a big hand holder. I'll hold your hand all day. But like a kiss is kind of where I draw the line. Good, kiss, cool. No big deal. But if you're making out like.

Unless we're like, yeah, unless we're like in a corner, like hidden, then I'll, you know, or you know, sneak away into a restroom, little lovers quarrel in a public restroom. You ever done that, Heath? Well,, little, little lovers quarrel in a rest in a public restroom. You ever done that? He's well, first of all, lovers quarrel and it rest. I don't know. That was, it sounds like you're getting arrested. I have, I have, I have, so it wasn't in a public restroom,

but I have had a level, a lovers quarrel in public before. That's never fun. No, you can't get in a hovers quarrel as a dude. You're, you're the one that's wrong. Yeah. Well, no matter if you are, it was high school, you know, that doesn't count really. You can do anything in high school because it's like, you're not anything, right? But like you do something in high school and like, that's the problem with cancel culture.

It's like you do dumb shit in high school. It's like, well, that kid is probably the dumbest, that's the dumbest version of that kid that they'll ever be in high school. You know what I mean? Like, and so- You gotta let people grow. You know? And like, if that individual continues to, you know, show that behavior as an adult

outside of high school, then there's a problem, right? Then you can cancel them all you want. But like, I don't know, maybe it's just me. I just feel like we jumped too quick down these like, especially with social media and stuff. It's like, I can't even imagine the horrors that would have been on my social media as a high school kid with nothing to do and Wayne,

like, oh my God. You know? Anyways, we also got to talk about this English teacher. Oh my God. What a jackass. And he, they did a really good job. I thought of like embodying the burnt out teacher close to retirement. That is just sick of everyone.

She, you could like, he's just done with all the shenanigans of high school kids and it's time to go. He knows it's time to go. They know it's time to go. But like for some God forsaken reason, he just has to like have a pissing contest with Pacey in the middle of it. I liked Pacey standing up,

but I will never condone spitting in another person's face. Like that's one thing. That's insane. Like, I don't give a fuck how on the nose it was with like him being like, are you spitting the face of education? You know, it's like, oh, okay. Right. Right there.

But like, dude, right? Spitting in the face is never cool. No matter the yeah, no matter what. Did I ever tell you the, the, uhitty face story, uh that I had at the mini golf place What you had someone spit in your face? No, not my not my face safely Uh, I had a I had one customer spit in another customer's face What?

Dude, that's crazy. It was wild. Yeah, so I the work that the it was the mini golf go-kart place. I was working the go-karts. It was me and my buddy Chris were working the go-karts. And this family comes down. It's a mom, a dad, and then like a six-year-old, I think it was a six-year-old girl. The mom is in a single car riding around

and the dad and the daughter are in the two seater, whatever driving around. While on the same ride, there's two kids, um, that had been there like for most of the day, just, you know, mobbing around doing go-kart stuff. Yeah. And one of them, they were, they were maybe, maybe 10, if, if not, maybe nine or eight somewhere in there. Um, but they're mobbing around, they're all in their single carts and one of them is not the best driver

because they're fucking 10 years old. Yeah. And so it's slightly, lightly bumping into the dad and the daughter every once in a while, lightly bumping into them. But the dad and the daughter are going so fucking slow that like the kid's like laughing at them, you know. Yeah.

So it's bumping into them a couple of times, but again, nothing vicious. It's just, it's go-karts, dude. Yeah. It's fucking go-karts. Yeah. Um, and the dad is getting fucking furious. He's like, like every time it gets like, well, he's just getting overprotective. He's like screaming at the kid, like while the, while everybody's driving. And then the mom's getting into it and like screaming at this kid, they're screaming at me cause I'm not doing anything about it. Cause I'm like, it into it and like screaming at this kid. They're screaming at me

cause I'm not doing anything about it. Cause I'm like, it's a fucking go-karts, dude. Like you have to expect a little bit of contact. Yes. Yeah. That's why you're wearing a seatbelt. Yeah, and a helmet. Well, they don't go that fast.

It's not, they're not wearing helmets. It's like, it's like 30. It's not the place that I worked at. It's like, they go 30 miles tops, 30 miles and over tops. And it's like they have so low to the ground. They have like the bumpers and shit to you. So like they're built to be bumped. Yeah. But so that's happening.

And then like the dad loses it, he gets out, like stops the car, gets out in the middle of the ride. Thankfully these are, these are all electric too. So I can, I got a button I can shut everybody down. Oh, nice. So I showed him. So he stops, he's getting out of the, he's pulling his kid out of the car, like just screaming this entire time at me, at the kid, at my buddy is also working and the mom's jumping in, she's getting out of her car. They're screaming. That says they're like walking working and the mom's jumping in. She's getting out of her car. They're screaming as they're like walking away.

And the poor, this poor lady who was not even the mom of the kids that were bumping. She was like, like the neighbor, I think, or like a family friend or something. But she just, she was like babysitting him that day and took him to, you know, go-karts. Not even her fucking kids. She's like, she was like, like she wasn't writing. She was like off in the little, you know, the spectator section. But she sees all the commotion. So she comes up and she's like, is everything cool?

Like, how's it going? What's going on? And the mom, the mom whips around and starts yelling at her. Just fucking screaming at this lady. Like you need to get your, you know, get your kids better behaved, screaming at him, starting with her kids. And me and my my buddy Chris are just standing there like, what? Like, we're I'm 16 at the time. He's like, what the fuck is happening?

We're like, what is going on? Yeah, these are adults. These are 40 year olds screaming at each other. And so she keeps yelling at the mom or whatever and the mom's like, or not, she keeps yelling at the lady that brought the kids. And the, bless her heart, the lady was trying to like, you know, deescalate. She's like, I'm so sorry, like try to deescalate the situation. The mom goes to leave.

And then has, like, I could see it in slow motion. She goes to leave and then you can see her like light bulb go off. And she's like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. She whips around, spits in the lady's face. And then the like the family runs away and they like run into the party a lot. They she spit in the lady's face and me and Chris. Look, I was like, like three feet away from them while this happened. It was the most insane thing I've ever seen.

Cause I saw, she turned to walk away. I saw the light bulb go off in her eyes and then she turned around and spin the lady's face. It was- What a psycho. Un-fucking-believable. That's exactly what this English teacher in this episode would have done.

No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But dude, that is spitting in the face psychotic. And even though this English teacher did all this. So, right? Like in the fact- Oh, he's a piece of crap. That he doubled down the next day after like Jack was visibly upset in the fact that the English teacher

doubled down the next day. That's when it was like, okay, dude, like this is all like Pacey shouldn't have spit in your face, but like it's, well, he doesn't, he doesn't spin the face to laughter. He doubles down. Yeah. That's it. And that's what I'm saying. Like if you wouldn't have doubled down on this bullshit, Pacey would have never spit in your face. Like you deserve to get punched. You know, I will, you know, like the spit I just don't like, but like he deserved to get punched in the face. Like, like Pacey did the right thing until he spit.

Yeah. Like there's, there's nothing wrong with sticking up. It's just, you know, but as a, you know, a teenager, you're not going to be able to control your emotions like that. But I'm or a 40 year old woman, that was like, that was like, it like was getting my like go a little, like I was getting fired up with that teacher, dude. Like I was like getting mad. So it's like, cause it's a, you're in a position of power.

Like Pacey says it later, right? It's like, you're in a position of power. You're in a position of respect. And it reminded me of the TikTok where this kid got thrown out of class and he like let the teacher have it. Right. Do you remember that one?

He's like, he's like, fuck you get off your ass and fucking teach. Don't give us a spreadsheet. Don't teach us how to fucking take the test. Like you want people to engage. You want people to pay attention. Like give us a reason to pay attention. Give us a reason to engage with you being be in a dick and demand like respect. It's the perfect example, right?

Respect is earned, not given. Like you have to, especially with kids like that, like you have to earn their respect. Like they don't have to respect you. Like that doesn't matter, regardless of age. You can think that because I'm 50 and they're 16, that I should demand their respect, but like, it's like, we're humans.

There's children, even little children are not gonna respect you if you don't earn it with them. That's what I think about whenever I have a kid. I am going to do the things that I need to make sure that my kiddo respects me. And they understand that if I do have to be hard on him, it's not because I'm being a dick. It's because I want to teach him to be the positive member

of society. Yeah, you better keep that kid in check. I'll fucking toast him, dude. She's gonna be great. But yeah, that's it. I don't know. Like this week kind of talked about it a little bit earlier. I guess the other thing besides like this really deep

kind of like, you know, coming out type of like that, that just feeling, I thought they did kind of a good job with all that kind of stuff, but we also have Jen and- I thought the poem was great. The poem was great. Like after he read that though, like I, cause you know, this came out of left field, right? And so he read that and I was like, that does not track with anything that has led up to this point, you know, like maybe I just missed it.

Like I was like, wait, that sounded, that's like, you know, I think I was like, everyone was like, wait a second. That didn't sound like, that sounded like, you know, and I was like, where did that, you know, anyways, it was very well done and it was a well-written episode, but like when he read the poem, I was like, this is a really good poem. And then I was like, wait a second.

Like I didn't think I picked up on this at first. Yeah. And well, then, so I, like I said, I've kind of fell asleep and I woke up to the, oh, he's gay part. So when I went back in and watched the parts I slept through, he started reading the poem and I was like, why do people think he's gay?

What is wrong? There's nothing in this poem that like reads as like, I'm a closeted gay man. The only thing that like tips it off is his lips smooth. That's the only thing. And I thought even with that line in it, I thought, I was like, maybe he's just talking about God. You know? Cause I thought I did, I was like, maybe he's just talking about God. You know?

Cause I did, I was like, are they, but it was like very vague. And I was like, are they going where I think they're going with this? This is confusing. That's why I was so confused when he read the poem. I had to like run it back a little bit. Cause I was like, this is confusing.

Cause there was no, like we talked about before, there was no like, it just came out of left field. And like, they, I don't know, maybe it's, that's how it happens in real life. And we just don't fully understand, but I don't know. It was, it's very interesting, but I, Pacey does like, so Pacey also sticks up for Jack because he feels bad,

because he feels the teacher started taking stuff out on Jack because Pacey made, I don't know if you saw this, but he made like the comment. And Jack said, Jack agreed. And the teacher was like, oh, fuck no, dude. Yeah, not getting it. Like it's on. And then and so Pacey felt bad.

And and I think that like he I thought he was kind of wise where he was like, you know, some messes, sometimes you make a mess that you can't fix. And the best thing that you can do is kind of live with the mess and live with the scar and do like, you know, you don't need to fix it but you need to own up to the mistake and then do what you can afterwards. It's like, I don't know.

I thought that was really like interesting of like, you know, sometimes you make a mess and like you can't fix it, you know? Like it make a mess and like, you can't, can't fix it. You know, like it's just, you have to live with the mess that you created. And I thought that that was, um, or the scar that that mess creates, you know, I thought that was pretty, pretty wise for him. Yeah, I did love where not to, you know, not to delve into a non, uh, but I,

I was reading the quotes and the quote from the lunchroom popped up And I don't know why but the the way this the the dudes delivered these slides in the in the lunchroom when they're talking about Jack's poem cracked me up. Oh when they're like I have it right here when he's like it's that The quote is is contributed to three terrible high school guys But it says it's like a the quote is Peterson makes him read his poem in class and he starts crying Here's the best part homes about a guy McPhee's a total homo Weird that I don't know why that that made me laugh cuz I was like that's the that's it. That's a crazy line That's a crazy fucking lie I forgot about that. That's that and I think that's when I was like, oh no

Yeah, that's what that's what you got worried. You're like, oh this kid's like it I thought I was like Brandon and I are not equipped or built to have this type of sensitive conversation If they go there and they make this the worst, we're gonna have to try and tiptoe around. I was like, and then, like I said, they landed up, but that's where I started getting nervous. I was like, oh shit, this is gonna get bad. I thought they were gonna get crazy.

Could you imagine just walking up to your locker and having that spray painted on there though? Like just that I went when like, you know, and I thought he did a good job of like the, you know, like the shock on the fit like that. Oh, dude, I don't know why. But whenever I want even when even when I even when I was growing up, when I was in high school and middle school and all that. And even now, to this day, watching. Humiliating things happen at a locker make it so much more visceral to me. I don't know what it is, but it's like, you know, there's like scenes where like people like put, you know, stuff that smells in your locker, you open it and falls on you that shit like that hits me in like a visceral,

like that kind of humiliation stuff at a locker hits me in a different way. And I don't know why, but yeah. Cause the, and the intent to do it at the locker in high school is the public ridicule and the public shame. Like I think that's what that like is. That's what at least to me, like when I see that kind of stuff, it's like, well, the whole point was to go to the furthest realm of humiliation. Like they wanted it to be, to me, that's what makes it so shitty. It's like, dude, you can beat me up in the bathroom.

You can make fun of my last name because, you know, welcome to the gang, right? Like, but dude, like, you know, and then we can swear off, right? But like it's doing it in the locker, like, you know, like that's where it would have been. I totally understand that. Cause I saw him walk up there and it's like,

oh dude, that's fucked. That's fucked, you know? Especially to spray paint it too, you know? I didn't like that. I felt bad for really Jack there. And I don't know, I don't know if I was like, should be too critical of like Joey and her handling of this

because it was also probably really confusing for her too. Oh, it's gotta be so confusing. So like, that's where I was like, wanted to be like, I kinda think Joey could have handled it better, but then I was like, you know, thinking about Joey's character, she probably did a pretty good job of trying to like- She did as well as you would think

somebody like Joey would do. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. First time wanted to be critical and anyways, it just, and then I don't know if I said it, Jen and Ty are, that's the first time we get introduced to this club, this like jazz club that they're sneaking into. Yes.

Because Ty has a connect. He plays the piano. Uh, not well though. Um, and then, uh, I do, I do, there was, uh, before we move on, there was one thing that I think, like I, I'm with you. I, I am on Pacey's side. I think Pacey, other than the spitting in the face, I think Pacey was in the right. Yeah. But there was a line that Jack, I think later apologizes for, but I thought when he said it, it was very apt and on point when he stopped. He's it's after Pacey stands up for him and Pacey kind of

like goes up to him and is like, Hey, like I did this for you. Like, are you know, this is for you. I'm, I'm trying to help you out. And Jack, I think I have the line right here. you. Like our, you know, this is for you. I'm trying to help you out. And Jack, uh, I think I have a line right here. Yeah. Jack says, he's like yelling at each other and he goes, I didn't need your help. Like I didn't need your help. I didn't need a hero. And then he says, I recognize it's an addiction of yours to Pacey, but this is an instance where you should have let your, uh, you should have just kept your nose out of it. And I think that's a,

cause that, uh, Pacey does have a hero complex. And I didn't realize it until that line where I was like, Oh, shit, he's right. Well, he is. And then you see it in in a couple of these later episodes, especially with the whole Xanax thing, where he's like, I'm which is weird because he like confronts her about being on anti-depressants because her mom went crazy and her brother died. It's like, dude, fuck you. Yeah.

You don't need to confront her. You can have a conversation, but like, you can't be upset that she didn't tell you about it. It's none of your fucking business, dude. Yeah. I don't know. That bugged me a little bit. When he like confronted her about the Xanax. It's like

Shit yeah, like that's where I was like like Pacey your dad bullies you and that sucks but like imagine if he abandoned you with your crazy mom and Let's wake up base. Yeah, he did do that in a weird way, but he that line Resonated I was like he fuck, he does have a hero complex. He's always trying to save the day. It's much like Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. It's how Voldemort, that's how Sirius dies. Voldemort leverages Harry's hero complex.

Hermione tries to call him out on it, but he won't listen, And then boom, dead. Got it. And then the, to go back to last episode, um, cause he's with the whole Xanax thing, because she's having a crash out where she's just being super fucking mean to everybody. And he tries to like corral her, but he does, he does it in, again, he does it in the worst way possible.

Cause he does it in such a condescending fucking way that like, of course she's not gonna react pleasantly to this, you're talking to her like she's a three year old. Yeah, who would? Classic face even. And here's hero complex. Well, so then we get to part two of this two parter. And I, I love them kicking off the episode watching Jerry

McGuire. I really enjoyed that movie and I was probably too young the first time I watched it. But like do you do you like that kid that was in the movie? Jerry McGuire. He stole the show. The human head weighs eight pounds. Like I'll always remember that line until I die.

It's love. I loved Cuba Gooding Jr. Phenomenal like that. I really, really loved that movie as a kid. And like I said, I think I was like nine when I loved that movie. And I was like, this movie is so good. I didn't understand half the concepts.

I had that. It's a solid movie. Great movie, great way to start it off. Pacey's crashing on Dawson's floor after his, Pacey got suspended and that's where he, him and Andy have their back and forth. He's on the docks during his suspension. Yeah.

Yep. And so then post suspension, that's how we kick it off. And then post suspension, we get Pacey, you know, back in the classroom, English teachers still be in a Dick. Um, yeah, I don't know. And then, and then this is where we get introduced to dad because Andy and Jack are like, they run into each other in the hallway and it's like, I got called into the account principal's office. Like I did too. And then it's because the principal called their dad

to ask him to come up because Jack's having a hard time is what the principal said. Did you catch that? But that dad, little does the principal know, sucks too. So like that's a bummer for them is that their dad sucks. There's a reason you had to call them. Yeah. And honestly, it probably would have been handled better just between the two kiddos. Although it does unite Andy and Jack, right? Like they're, they're

calm. They, they like deepen their, their, their bond as their dad is like being, cause like Andy is still looking for that, same thing as Pacey, right? Like Pacey and Andy are both looking for the same thing. It's love in all the wrong places cause their dads are never gonna give it to them. And so yeah, the dad is in there and like, of course, like, and the thing is,

the dad is like shocked that Jack is mad at him. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Brandon, I was like, well, you suck, dude. You, you abandoned your kids. Yeah, he, uh, what? Well, of course he's mad at you. What's your fucking problem, guy? The complete, yeah Yeah the complete lack of

Self-awareness is astonishing. Oh Man that was that was so wild And then I didn't take it quite as many notes as this one Well, so this is so um Joey originally plans a, uh, cause Jack, Jack still hasn't come out that he's gay yet. Yep. And so she's working with Dawson, right? Oh yeah.

That's right. Cause she asked him, I thought I was like, Oh my God, they're going to totally make out. Um, when she asked him if she was sexual, she was worried that she like just wasn't like that kind of girl. And so Jack was just like, nah. Yeah. Oh yeah. But so Dawson's advice is like a romantic night together. So she plans like a dinner thing. And then that's when, um, the dad shows up. So Jack's like, Hey, my dad showed up. I can't come to dinner. So then, uh joey calls uh

dawson um and they meet up with jen and ty um for their little night out this is when they go to the bar jazz bar yeah yeah and then they're they're hanging out they're hanging out at the table while ties up their playing piano and I loved how I Loved Dawson's line when he's sitting there at the table with with Jen and Joey and he's like here. I am single Sandwich between the two women that don't me And the Joe Joey's like hey my boyfriend might be gay I Joey's like, hey, my boyfriend might be gay. I did. God, I did the whole, I, this is where I wrote, I was like, you know,

we got some really bad acting here that, that messed up this incredible, like what could have been an incredible scene. And we had just a trio of people not built for, for deep emotion and crying and that kind of interaction. And it just threw, I don't know if you felt the same way, it just threw that whole scene off for me. Cause I was like, I was like, when they came in and they were in the house, I was like, Oh, this is going to be, this is it. Right? Like he's going to come out, it's going to be emotional. It's going to be moving. And I was just like, ah, dang it, dang it. Like it was there. It was there. It just wasn't very well acted. Yeah. It was be emotional. It's gonna be moving and I was just like ah dang it dang it like it was there

It was there. It just wasn't very well acted. Yeah, it was very emotional. It's just yeah, like he said his his crying face his crying face kinda Kinda ruined it a little bit But you know and then and then like you said then the dad giving him absolutely nothing back, right? Like the dad's got to do something there to get that like back and forth. I don't know. It just, and maybe they was just like, you know, it could be actors too, right? Maybe they just didn't work together. Wasn't a good, like, could have been bad direction. Yeah. Could have been. Yeah. The director could have sucked too. Bad cinematography. Yeah.

All, all those things. Um, I almost felt bad for the English teacher when he was like, I only had six months left. And it's like, well, then why were you being such an asshole? Like, you know what I mean? Like I was, I almost felt bad. I was like, dang, he only had six months left. And then I was like, no, no, no, no, you don't get a free pass. Like you had six months left and you chose as an adult human being to bully a kid

who already is having a hard time, right? He wasn't even acting out in the class, like terribly. You know what I mean? Like there was no reason for him to do that. And so like for a second, I was like, man, that's kind of a bummer. And then I was like, wait, hold the phone. He brought this on himself.

I don't feel bad for him. Go confront the school board, do better, right? Like if you, like he obviously knew he was in the wrong. If he didn't have the, he's like, I'm not gonna go up there and have them tell everything I've done wrong for the last 30 years. And it's like, then what have you been doing? I don't know. Maybe that's honestly, honestly, if I was in the same scenario,

if I if I had six months left and they called like a performance review, I'd be like, go fuck yourself. Yeah, just just fire me. That's not wrong there, right? Not wrong there at all. But like I'm saying, it's just, why did we get there? It was your last year, dude. It was your last year.

That should have been everyone's favorite year of having you as a teacher. You should have coasted into retirement instead of being a jerk. Yeah. That was his fault. I blamed him fully for that. Like, it was just like, dude, you, you get what you give.

Am I right? Yep. So anyways, um, but yeah, it's, and, and Pacey calls out exactly what I'm saying. Respect is earned, not given. And he did nothing to earn the respect of those kids. Cause he was just a weird jackass and subjective grading. Get the fuck out of here, dude. Get the fuck out of here. I like how he said he says something about.

I forget if it's this episode or the last episode, he says something about your grades are determined by my whim or something like that. And then he then he tells Casey he's been he's been waiting to fail him all quarter. It's like, come on, dude. Like, yeah, well he's trying to be subtle about your bias. Yeah. That's it. And that's exactly where I was like, God, I almost felt bad for you. And then you reminded me of how much you sucked. And like, if you're that miserable, you gotta get a different job or something.

You gotta do something. Right? Like, different job or something. You got to do something, right? Like, I don't know. That's to me. It felt like he was blaming other people for his own deal. Um, and I don't like that, you know? Um, so yeah, anything, I mean, too, like we've talked about these episodes a lot, too, what I consider very big risk taking episodes, particularly in, you know, February 3rd and February 10th of 1999. Like that's, those are big risks and.

Three, nine 11. Used to be able to just walk through that airport. Used to be able to smoke cigarettes on planes. Like once we used to be a property. Did you see, I saw, I saw a thing on TikTok the other day and it was a comedian doing crowd work and they were like, I saw, I saw a thing on TikTok the other day and it was a comedian doing crowd work. And they were like, you know, Oh, you guys are getting married. That's congratulations. When are you getting married? And they said,

September 11th. And the comedian was like, are you fucking kidding me? She's like, how old are you? And they were like 20 something. He was like, Oh, it's you. You just, you don't know, do you? You fucking, we forgot guys. We forgot as a society. And what they spent 10 years telling us to never forget. I'm sure they got a sweet discount on that day though. I'm sure. No one is booking a venue on set.

Not a bad, like if you're going to do the whole song and dance of that, like not a bad. Yeah. If you're, if you're going to do the whole song and dance of that, like not a bad, yeah. If you're, if you're bargain hunting, go for it, dude. Let's fucking go to like, it's, it's not mad at that, but especially if it's on like a, you know, like a Tuesday or a Wednesday, they might pay you to do it. Yeah. And you know, once again, shout out to Dawson's Creek because they went there.

They went for it. They weren't afraid. I'm so glad they landed this plane. They had me nervous for a second, but two good episodes. My only critique with the whole thing is like, I wanted the, the, the come out to, I wanted to feel that passion and like that emotion. He does it for the dad, is it, it's in this,

the same episode that he comes out to Joey too, right? He says, let me help you. Yes, yes, yes. I couldn't remember if they waited for the next one to do that. No, he, cause he, I thought it was at the date. Like when he shows up to the date. Cause she reschedules the date to the next day or whatever.

And then he shows up. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, hey. That's when he breaks it to her, yeah. Yeah, I'm gay. And like we said too, like poor Joey. Joey is like, like Joey's like, hey, that's when he breaks it to her. Yeah. I'm gay. And like we said to you, like poor Joey. Joey is like, Joey's got to be, I can't catch a break, dude.

Anyway, so yeah, next episode after this one, after those two big ones is, be careful what you wish for. And this is- I had the hardest time watching this episode. I paused and skipped and paused and skipped and paused so many times because- What was- The amount of secondhand embarrassment

in this episode. Like when they got up to sing, are you fucking kidding me? When they got up to sing- That was the worst. I, wait, where did, I can't remember what I said? I was like, oh, no, this is the only miss the blues. But there was there. There was a thing in the 90s where people would sing the blues and sitcoms.

Like, I remember like random sitcoms having like a blues. None of them were good, though. This one, except for maybe uncle Jesse, you know, like I think uncle Jesse had like even that one, even that one. Oh, this one was, this one was atrocious. Speaking of full house, I talked about this last night with some folks. I know how much you love the Mandela effect. Did you know that they never say, oh, Joey and the chef.

Yeah. So I'm not a fucking show. Yeah. Okay. Cause I'm not a idiot. Wow. Okay. I also had to show someone the picture that I have of my Berenstein bears books for my youth. And I was like, yeah, dude, I, I thought I was like, I'm about to prove I'm about to go viral on the internet for my Berenstein bears book for my youth. And I was like, I was just, I've just been wrong. So this is a misread the cursive this whole time. Like a fucking clown. Yeah. You were a child.

You think you were reading it correctly? Yeah. It's exactly. It's just fucked up that cursive. But yeah, you know what I forgot the whole time? This, these last two episodes. And then I was reminded in episode 16, I was like, oh my God, I forgot they worked together. Yeah. Forgot that Jack forgot they worked together. Yeah. Forgot that Jack and Joey worked together as well.

And then they came in and it was awkward at work and I was like, oh my God, that's gonna get worse before it gets better. Yeah, like literally, it was like, oh my God, I got so lost down the rabbit hole those last two episodes, I was like, oh my God, I forgot that they don't just have to deal with this at school, they have to deal with it at their part-time jobs as well.

You know, and we talked about Graham's kind of giving Ty the business, right? Or does that happen in this episode? That was the last one. Yeah, cause then Ty tries to get back in Jen's good graces in this one. But they have to face up to it, you know, because this is where Ty like shames Jen, right? Like he's like trying to be celibate and he calls

her a slut and it's really mean. Well, he doesn't call her one. He insinuates or implies. Well, Jen already kind of had some issues issues with, you know, like, feel. I don't know. I here we go. He doesn't. This is going to be me feeling bad for Jen again. Oh, well, Jen's Jen's completely Jen's completely in the right in the city. Because Ty does he does the shitty thing where he. The grandstands are a little bit. He's like, I can't control myself, and it's your fault.

You're tempting me. It's like, go can't control myself and it's your fault. You're tempting me. And it's like, go fuck yourself, dude. And that's what she, and she was correct. Right? When she was like, it wasn't like, what the fuck is it? Like, was I taking off your pants? Was I taking off mine? Like, did it feel like this was going to go further than kissing? Because to me, it was not going to go further than that. And like, yeah, they were in public for most of it. Uh,

poor Jen. I don't know. I just, no matter what happens in this show, I feel like I just, Oh, I'm always going to feel a little bad for Jen. You know, she just got shipped out to this town. It's the haircut. I'm surprised I didn't get more heat for the haircut take. You got a few, but like, but you also didn't get to the part where I was like owned that like, I have the worst hair in the history of the world.

Like I went for, I literally went from bowl cut. I can't, I can't put that in there. Cause then they're gonna, then they're gonna understand where you're coming from. You know what I'm saying? But like really I went from bowl cut to like normal haircut to then like receding hairline at 19. And so like, I had like, you know,

five years of a decent haircut that where I look like, and then it was just, you know, five years of good hair. I had nothing, nothing, nothing. Not a single time. I was receding at like 17. When I, when I got my first haircut after my bowl cut, I think it was in seventh grade, um, that, like we were doing morning practice where we'd have to split the gym girls on one side, boys on the other. Everyone of the girls that went to middle school with me thought that I was a

new kid in class. That's how like shockingly different it was. They were like, like, they were like, who's that new guy over there? And they're like, Oh my fucking God, that's Heath. Cut off. Cool. Cause I really blonde. Cut your bangs off. Yeah. Same thing. Anyways, um, I never had a bowl cut. I never had, I'd never had good hair, but I never had a book.

I do remember when I was in like, uh, fifth grade, fourth or fifth grade, um, when frosted tips were all the rage, I really wanted some frosted tips and my mom even like tried to do it for me, but you can't do it with red hair. It doesn't work. My hair was too light. Couldn't do the frosted tips. I would have to go darker and then frost them back, but that's too much work. It's too way too much work. Um, God, and then, uh, what did it got poor? They did a good job of like small town controversying this with like where Abby

and her friends are like, Ooh, Cape sites, first openly gay guy. How does that make you feel? And it's like, leave him alone. Leave alone Abby. Damn it. Well, then they were, yeah. Then they were all, they were doing the thing where like, you know, you want what you can't have kind of thing where they were like, Oh, you're so now you're

so cute. I wish I would have caught you when you weren't gay. And it's like, okay. Yeah. It's like, you know, you want what you can't have kind of thing where they were like, oh, you're so now you're so cute. I wish I would have caught you when you weren't gay. And it's like, okay. Yeah. It's like, yeah, gross. Gross. I thought Joey was a little Dawson when she was like trying to make it about her, right? Which like, maybe it's me. Maybe it was, it was like my fault that this happened. It's like, well, Joey, I don't think, I don't, I don't think

that's the case. You never know though. He did say she was too mean. Like we're in a bad mood all the time. But yeah, so that would be real confusing though. I get where she's like, she's right. Yeah, she's 16. She, it is confusing, but like, I was just like, okay, it's like, take a deep breath. Just let separate yourself from that scenario. It's, it's not. I, I do have to say, I want to go back to the blues because they go to the bar for, for Dawson 16th birthday. Andy's, Andy's blues had me cracking up.

My brother died. Bah bah bah bah bah. My daddy ran away. Bah bah bah bah bah. But my name is Andy. And my boyfriend makes me crazy. Oh yeah, I got the blues. No, boyfriend makes me Randy.

Randy, that's it. Yeah, that's it. And his name is Pacey. I got the blues. No, boyfriend makes me Randy. Randy, that's it, yeah. And his name is Pacey, I got the blues. And then after that is what she said. That's what she says crazy because she's talking about her mom. That's what it was. She says, yeah, boyfriend makes me Randy, his name is Pacey, and my mom's gone completely crazy.

Oh my God, Andy's blues cracked me up because it was just, yeah. Unbelievable. Oh, I will say Ben there with their like, I'm never drinking again. We've all been there before many times, but not, you know, drinking like that is not cool anymore though. Have you seen that? Like, like the kids are not Jim's. He's not drinking. Um, definitely, especially beer. They don't drink beer anymore. They drink fucking spiked Mountain Dew and shit like that.

Fucking losers. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, Brandon, you're throwing shots at spiked Mountain Dew. There's many other spike things that you could get mad about. Let's not get mad at Dew and the Dew, you know? Let's have a Baja blast for the rest of this. You know, I don't want to call a code red on you, Brandon. Okay.

Did you get it? It's Mountain Dew flavors. I do have to say, it was so funny when they were barfing and they're like, it was like, one thing I did learn is do like, you know, not eating, you know, what you eat before you drink will come back. And I laughed so hard. I was like, Oh my God, the amount of like, there's certain things that I ate as drunk munchies that can, that blue powerade, I can never have blue power.

It tastes like vomit. Um, yeah. The TG, you remember the TGI Friday's chips? I could never have blue powerade. It tastes like vomit. Yeah. The TG. Remember the TGI Friday's chips? Did you ever get like the potato chips? Yeah, like potato skin potato chips. They were like TGI Friday brand. Like dude, I ate a whole bunch of those drank a blue powerade

barf like I never barf before in college and I, you know, it's over. It's done. Tasty version. Can't do it. It's like pickles. We only have one more episode after this one. Do you have anything else to say about episode 16? We got Jen and Ty amicably part ways.

And then we have Dawson's can drunk confessions. We didn't touch on those. Oh, I put, hold on. What did I put? I was like, oh my God, Michael being hammered and doing the Michael Scott boom roasted to everyone, classic. Yeah. What's the, Stanley, your fat in your heart hates you. Boom, roasted.

Yeah. No, Stanley, you crush your wife during sex and your heart hates you, boom, roasted. That's good, that's what I thought. That's what he was doing. Yeah, that's exactly what he did. And I felt so, dude, could you imagine Joey walks into Dawson's room, walks in on her ex that just broke up with her for being gay, making out with Abby. Oh my god. We also didn't touch on, or at the very beginning of this episode, Dawson goes up to Joey and he's like, Hey, we should get back together. I,

like I were soulmates. I'm in love with you. And Joey's like, no, I don't think that's good. And Dawson freaks out on her and it's like, whatever. He's like, don't ever expect it to snow. Cause they were talking about how hopeful snow is. Didn't it snow at the end of the snow. But I put that down as like love some snow on the creek. Love some. So she's she's I think she's she talking to her mom or she's talking

to Bessie, I think, while the whole blue thing is going down, because she's throwing the surprise party back at his house. And she's like, why the fuck am I throwing a surprise party for somebody who hates me? Yeah, that's and then and then at that surprise party, her ex-boyfriend, who's gay, makes out with the girl she hates. Yeah. And then. Like and a dozen foot roaster. Yeah. What a terrible, terrible night. What a gift for throwing a birthday party. Like this is, this is, let that, like, this is where being nice does not always pay off.

Like sometimes it gets you nowhere. Sometimes it's okay to just let people figure shit out for themselves. But yeah, it's, um, yeah. I, I, although I, the, they did not do a good job. Dawson barfing in that sink. It's not going down for a clean sink. There's gonna be piles of bars in that sink. Like that. I get, I get cause Andy, well, cause when they first show it,

they don't show Andy in the toilet thrown up. So I was like, why the fuck is he at the sink? That's a terrible, that's a rookie move. Um, and then they show her and then it kind of makes sense. But go to the other bathroom. Yeah. I, that's, I, you know, I also thought, do they not have more than one bathroom? You know, it's not going to help you stop throwing up when you hear somebody right next to you throw up.

Or smell. Yeah. I don't know if I've, I, I think I brought this up on the, the, the podcast before, but I'm a very sympathetic puker. Yeah. Um, so if like, even if I have no inclination of throwing up, if you're next to me, or if I can see you or smell you and you throw up, I'm guaranteed, guaranteed I'm going to throw up. The, when Kelly was in her first trimester and we were on a

bus going through like a mountain road where we were just going, it was just back and forth and back and forth. And she started getting seasick making your pregnant wife ride the bus. No, it was a shuttle. Like we took a shuttle from the camp we were staying at for the wedding to the music festival. It was like 30 minutes away and like the winding, the winding road that we took back. We had to, I was, you would have hated it because she was throwing up in our clear tote bag that we had while I was holding, like I was holding everything and all we had was a clear tote bag. And so I was holding all of our stuff. It was like, it was, it was, but she did it.

You know, she made it through. She was a real trooper and she lasted all day at the music festival. It was pretty impressive. She was pregnant and lasted longer than people that weren't, you know, and it's like, damn cowards. Well, she does have the, the strength of two people. So that is, that is true. That is true.

So, but this, this next episode, psychic friends, the last episode we're doing. Um, I, I did say it, like, did you hear Pacey's Christmas hate? What did he say? I can't remember exactly what he said, but I just was like, I was like, Oh, Pacey's Christmas hate? What did he say? I can't remember exactly what he said, but I just was like, I was like, Oh, Pacey took a, like a, it was like a quick little throw away line about Christmas. And I was like, Oh, Pacey just alluded to him hating Christmas. And the first thing I thought of was I would convert him. I would, Kelly hated Christmas when we first started dating.

And now she has come to enjoy it What is she Christmas for just through she just was never, you know, it's like it's like you with your birthday, right? Like she's just never a big person But you know, it's I she's fully come around now. She loves Christmas I've never got the hate I get not like wanted to you know, go full into it. I get that As somebody who has a valid reason to hate Christmas, it always boggles my mind when people I get not like wanting to, you know, go full into it. I get that. As somebody who has a valid reason to hate Christmas, it always boggles my mind when people just hate Christmas. Episode 17 starting as-

I can't find what he says though. Yeah, episode 17 starting as a dream, I was like, it got me at first. I was like, what is happening where they're getting all the credit and then they start making out in front of Dawson. I was like, what is happening right now? He runs into Steven Spielberg and gets a job or whatever. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. It was, I was like, what the fuck is going on? And then Dawson wakes up and,

and this is where we get the new drama teacher. And I was like, Oh crap, here we go again. I'm about as sick as you could be of the teacher student relationship plot line that it doesn't. But luckily they didn't do that one more time. I, I really was like, come on, we gotta be better. Well, you saw at the end, right? Well, she gets into a Mitch's car. Yeah. Good old Mitch. And so like, because I forget how they get there, but Joey and Jack end up like Joey's having like her art on display, right? Like her art class. It's like a big farmers market kind of thing on the pier, right? Like her art class has like a display. It's like a big farmer's market kind of thing.

On the pier, right? Yeah, yeah. And that's, and like, Jen and Grams are working the church booth, they kind of look like maybe? Yeah, the church booth, I think it was for the church. Yeah, yeah. But they had all sorts of digdags. Yes, like hand stuff and homemade stuff.

Yeah, like blankets and quilts and all that kind of stuff. Decorated clothespins for chip clips. Yeah, obviously. Easy purchase there. And then Pacey was working the cop stand where he was being the safety dog. Yeah, he's Captain Skippy. Captain Skippy. Oh, classic.

And the kids were not having it. No. No. They were not in on Captain Skippy. You know, if Pacey could have done better, he could have had a future at Casa Bonita. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's for all of our puppeteers out there.

You know, there's always, there's always Casa Bonita. Hopefully the kids aren't as mean there. out there, you know, there's always, there's always Casa Bonita. Hopefully the kids aren't as mean there. No, they seem, they seem to be nice there. And gotta love the foreshadowing, like Jen jokes with grams about being single girls. And then that's where that slime ball wit shows up. Yeah. With a white, dude, that was, I couldn't believe that that's where that slime ball wit shows up. Yeah. With a, dude, that was, I couldn't believe

that that's where, like, did you kind of feel like what was the point of that? Like, I guess to like show Jen and Grams, like Grams moving on, her coming together with Jen, like they're starting to have a mutual respect for each other. It feels like they're starting to meet each other halfway on a lot of things, which is really nice. But like, I don't know, I was so pumped for Grams

and like, it was like, that's like, it was, to me that is like, that was heart wrenching. Like Jen pushed her, she didn't wanna do it. She's putting herself out there, probably like she maybe has never done and to have it and like that, I like that me. I that made me just feel for grams like crazy, you know, because that's something that happens. And like, you know,

she's like, okay, cool. I'm just going to shut it down. Like I like I was planning on doing. And to me, that would be the saddest part of that as if she did. She didn't know she was the opposite. She was like, this is, this is the push I needed. Yeah. Time to go, which, which is gonna go beg some dudes. Damn it. Brandon. God. Sam. Trying to have a nice thought. Oh my God. Um, no, dude, I will say Jen making a crack about like him having impure thoughts about grams.

I was like, okay, that's That's your grandma. Yeah Interesting comment. Um, everybody everybody needs needs a little impure thoughts, you know, yeah, how did you feel about the The them all going through the fortune teller the only Real fortune teller that I love is the the machine one from big. That's that's the only fortune teller you need. What's the what's the the lady from holes, madam? Oh, I can't remember. Yeah, that's that is a good one. She played by Earth a kid, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. What's your only Madam's? Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, that's it. That is a good one. That is a good one.

Um, cause they all like take turn going to the fortune teller. Pacey confronts her for, you know, telling Andy things that she didn't want to hear. And she tells Andy your, um, your current, um, misfortunes are only a preview of what's to come or something like that, which is that's, that's a rough, that's a rough fortune. Yeah. That, that, and to have, uh, the candles get blown out mid fortune. Oh yeah. That's a bad sign. It's a bad sign, you know? And so she had to, I put it in my notes.

I was like, Andy has to, has to take a walk after getting shaken up and then goes for a walk with captain Skippy. Classic stuff. Yeah. So that's what she says. And then she tells, Oh my God. And then dude, Joey agreeing to meet the photographer at a random warehouse to

take pictures, I was like, Oh no, Jack did come though. So they were smart. There I put that. I was like, thank God Jack goes with her because that had cast it, cast and couch like shenanigans written all over it right there. Goodwill helping right there. It's shenanigans written all over it. Right? There's a good will helping right there.

That's how you get blackballed into goodwill humping. And you know, like for, for all the youths out there, just like take four people with you. Never was the never go to a secondary location. That's the rule. Never go to a secondary location. I got and just anyways. Yeah, that was that was wild.

And then, and then poor Joey, poor Joey. She really can't catch a break. Like this is where it's like, okay, I'd be pretty angry. I'd have like an anger in me too. Cause the poor girl gets rejected. And I put, I was like, here, I'm thinking casting couch and poor Cause the poor girl gets rejected. And I put, I was like, here, I'm thinking casting couch and poor Joey gets rejected again within the same month.

And oh my gosh, that poor thing. She's going to have dating trauma after this. Like, you know, she's going to have, be very gun shy looking, looking to date because everyone's rejecting her. Poor thing. Graham's date going south. Son of a gun.

What does she say to the psychic see to Joey though? She says you need to say yes to every opportunity. What does she say before that? I forget. Do you think that's where the movie idea for Yes Man came from? I fucking love that movie. That's like one of those weird movies that if it's on, I will watch it. I will always watch it. I've never seen Yes Man. What? Jim Carrey and Zoe Deschanel at their finest, but I feel like those are two characters, but yep, see, I knew that

was going to be your reaction. I feel like that is not a branded movie at all. I loved it though. I don't mind. I don't mind Jim Carrey. When he. Um, I loved it though. Um, I don't mind. I don't mind Jim Carrey. Um, when he's good, he's really good, but he's not good a lot. He's, he's good in this movie. My favorite character is, um, his boss at the bank norm and it's the, the band manager from fly to the concords. Do you know who I'm talking about?

He steals the show in my opinion. Like he's, he's my absolute favorite character in that movie. Like one of the funniest bits in the history of television to me is him taking attendance and their flight to the Concords band meetings. So it's just like, we've got to take attendance here. Brit it's like, why do we need to take attendance? It's just the two of us. I don't know why, but him taking it.

It's the accent, dude. That makes everything funny. Is it the accent? Like, oh my God, like that used to just get me. Or when the episode when they start, they each start their own gang and then they have like a gang war. That is peak television comedy, in my opinion. Um, anyways, what were we talking about? I don't know how I started. Uh, we were talking about, what were we talking about? Um,

fuck, what were we talking about? I don't know. Okay. I also, sorry. I want to go back to the photo shoot because Joe, the psychic, she got on yes, man, because she's had every opportunity. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. She's got to, she's got to say yes to that. That is she's like, I paid five bucks for that. What the fuck. That I didn't like that reaction. She's like, that's $5 of my harder money for some for that old 1999, $5 too. Yeah. that's like 35 bucks. That's like 50.

Yeah. Yeah. So at the casting couch thing, Joey talks to, or after it, Joey's talking to Jack and she's like, yeah, no, he wants you. She says, and I don't know where this came from. She said he was gay as a three dollar bill. Do you understand that phrasing?

Like what's the deal with the three dollar bill about it? I've never heard gay as a three dollar bill. I've heard and excuse my language. I've heard queer as a three dollar bill. Okay, because they don't because you would never see a three dollar bill. It's you know, that that makes sense. It's a very, uh, 90s saying. Yeah. Well, cause, um, sometimes like I'll be listening to the Lord of the Rings, right? And like the original books, that's what Tolkien uses all the time. And so like, if I'm like, I'll be

listening to out loud playing games and it'll like, it'll be Sam be like, they're a queer folk up there, Mr. Frodo, you know? And like, that's how they, so, oh, okay, okay. Cause they, she said, I was like, what then? I was like, I know I've heard that before, but I don't know if I get where it comes from. But when Joey tells Jack that he needs to develop some gaydar, I laughed.

And then it made me think of when, do you remember the office episode when Jim sends Dwight the metal detector? That kind of cracked me up a little bit. I was like, yeah, the office. So it was, it was an Oscar and he's like, ah, it works. And then he puts it over himself and it hits his belt buckle. And he's like, Oh no, it's, uh, it's really good stuff. Um, my favorite episode of the office is when Andy

makes his own ringtone and then he hides it in the thing. I don't know why I love that one so much, but that's one of my favorite stuff. Do do do do do do. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. He punches a hole in the wall. It's not funny. It was, it was.

And that ringtone, I wanted to make my own ringtone like that so bad. Like I wanted to do that so bad. Like, toodly dee, toodly dee, toodly dee, toodly dee. Mm. Rock and Robin, man. You know what movie I watched last time I was home that just the Rock and Robin song reminded me of? Have you ever seen the purple people either?

No, I've never seen that either. Neil Patrick Harris is like 10 years old. Like, I've heard of it. I've just never seen it. Same with that. I, I, that like, it's like a maid. Those made for TV movies. My parents would always record on the VHS for us. I have a cause I was, I was born in 91. And so I have a weird, not a weird blind, it's a very understandable blind spot, but a blind spot of like 85 to 89, like kids movies.

I like blind spot, unless it's, unless it's like an ultimate, like classic, like I don't, I feel what your Goonies came out, but I've seen Goonies, you know? Yeah. But that was on TV. Yeah. Like if it's, if it's like a classic, I've seen't, I feel what your Goonies came out, but I've seen Goonies, you know? Yeah. But that was on TV. Yeah. Like if it's, if it's like a classic, I've seen it, but like that, that's, that's those kids movies I've just never gotten around to. And that's like, my sister was born in 82, right? And so like my parents were quick on the VCR. And so like my view of time was a little bit distorted because I grew, you

know, I was born in 86 and when I was like, watching stuff from 82. Yeah. Five, six, seven, eight. I'm like watching. Yeah. Watching stuff from 1982 through 1990. And I'm like, these toys are sick, mom. I want one of those. They're like, well, they don't exist anymore. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, six years ago. They actually need to discontinue that because of lead. Yeah, like seriously, right? And I'm like, I want that.

And so like, I feel like that kind of warped my view of time a little bit because like things that were normal in the eighties, I thought were also like happening in around me in the nineties. And so sometimes like 82 through like 92, I it is all the same year. Yeah. You know, I, I have the, uh, kind of the opposite effect with that too, to where, cause my sister is five years younger than me.

So like my knowledge of kid stuff extended at least five years past when it should have ended because I was watching the stuff that she was watching too, you know, like I babysat. So I, yeah, I had no business watching Hannah Montana, but I watched every episode because my sister loved it. Did I, my buddies used to make fun of me in college. I would get just ripped and throw on some iCarly. I thought the brother from iCarly, the brother from iCarly. Spencer is hilarious.

I was like, this dude is peak comedy for me as I'm in college. It's like 2 o'clock on a Wednesday in college, you know, and they're just like, you know what, let's go. The best scene from that entire show is I read one episode, it's from, or what the context was, but that was the best part of him. He has zero context needed. Yes. They're like doing something in the, uh, in their living room or what, living room, kitchen room or whatever.

And he walks in and he, and they had like an elevator thing, but he was, so he walks into the apartment, goes to the elevator. He's holding a smoothie. And then he has like an emu on a leash or an ostrich or something like that on a leash. And all the kids are like, what do you got there, bud? And he's like, oh, the smoothie you want to taste like Justin acknowledged the fucking bird at all. Great. That's top notch comedy. Oh, that is really incredible stuff. And like he really was just, he was just so good. And did you ever watch Drake and Josh when he was a crazy Steve? That was great too.

Yes, that was it. That dude needs to be in more stuff. I, I, that was when I was like younger, I, that was like my, it wasn't something that I actively like pursued or wanted to do, but like my dream of dreams. And I talked about it sometime now. I don't want to be the main character, right? But like the older brother on the Nickelodeon sitcom that's full of shenanigans, boom,

that's a golden part for me, you know, like I always wanted to be one of the parents or the older brother of like a Disney sitcom. That was like, I was like, my God, I could crush this. You know, I'd be so good at this. I already do this. Okay, anyways. So yeah, they're doing the whole thing. Yeah. Sorry.

I was gonna say the ending of this. I was like, son of a bitch. What a great. I don't know if you did it on purpose, but what a cliffhanger. Oh, yes. Yeah, I did not do it off. I did not do it on purpose. Before we get to that, sorry, just to circle back, they're doing the market thing.

We touched on it briefly way back ago. The he shows the new film teacher who is like, yeah, she's the she's the who plays she she won an award for something right? Matching amic is that the right? Yes. Matching amic. She's from Twin Peaks. Riverdale. She's in a bunch of stuff. I never watched it. But I ate at Tweets Diner constantly.

Did I? I have every reason to watch. Of all times. I've got to watch it because I loved Tweets Diner in North Bend. It was my favorite. It was my absolute, go on a hike on like Mount Si and then drop in for, and dude, I was crazy. I would, cause I'd always go in the morning. I had no problem grabbing a piece of pie and ice cream for dessert with my omelet, dude.

It was my favorite. And the waitress loved me. They thought it waselet, dude. It was my favorite. And the waitress loved me. They thought it was great, dude. I would crush an omelet and then just coffee, chugging coffee the whole time. And then I'd be like, mind if I grab a piece of that cherry pie and ice cream? And they'd be like, yeah, yeah, you can.

It's 8.30 AM, but yeah, dude, you can, you can. So I had dessert, like that's a big Mike move though. Like I learned that from my dad. I watched that guy put ice cream on coffee cake. Like it was just a normal thing that people do for breakfast in the morning. I mean, if he, if he got it, why not? That sounds fucking delicious. He wasn't wrong.

I'm not saying he was wrong for doing it. I was just, it caught me off guard the first time I was like like, yeah, yeah, is that he waited until we were older. You know, he didn't do it when we were kids. But like, once, once we got out of high, like once we were in high school, he was like, yeah, I'm finally going to eat what I want to eat. You know, you put ice cream on a piece of coffee cake for me when I'm little and guess what we're doing every morning. You know, you need to watch twin peaks though. That's, that's one of my like top top shows of all time. It's so good. Keep going through your story.

I, oh, sorry. One last thing I have to say for, for iCarly conversation before we just move on forever, I rewatched a little bit of it. Like, like six years back when it first came on Netflix, Kelly and I would just put it on for background noise and And living in Seattle and then knowing like that they lived in Seattle, it all locked in perfectly. I was like, Spencer is the perfect older brother

living in a high rise in Seattle. Like as soon as I was like, oh, they're in Seattle. This show makes perfect sense. Every character, every plot line, it all made perfect sense once I realized they're in Seattle. And I love, you know how I feel about Seattle. I freaking love that place. I just love that place so much.

And then I saw, I was like, God, this is genius. So anyways, keep, what you were saying about the- Oh, we have the new film teacher, Ms. Kennedy, um, roasting Dawson for not being good. Yes. Well, like you mentioned before, um, uh, Matt, Matt Chinamic is way more pretty than anybody has a right to be. Um, and so they, they, uh, Jen, um, calls that out to Dawson. Um, like, Ooh, a hot new teacher. You're going to do a pace. You need to sleep with her. She doesn't say that, but that's what, that's what everybody was thinking.

That's what everybody was thinking. Um, but yeah, so she's, um, and she talks about, like, she, she was in the industry for a while. She talks about, there's a couple of real good scenes where she's, um, talking about the industry and she's like, people, um, like, like you mentioned earlier, they're going to eat them up. They're just very vicious. People, what'd you say? She said, I'm going to eat them up. she's talking about the industry and she's like people, like, like you mentioned earlier, they're going to eat them up. They're just very vicious. People, what she said, she said, people mistake my confidence for arrogance or something like that.

Oh yeah. And then she, so after a little probing Dalton finally shows her his movie and she rightfully shoots it down. She's like, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire fucking life. Um, she doesn't say that, but I have, I have the quote here. It's a, she says it's a preposterous soap opera about a bunch of teenagers who talk too much. Which very, very well, no, and then very spot on self critique of

your show of Dawson's Creek in general. So I'm sure that's, I'm sure I guarantee you that's a line from a review, like a newspaper review. And they took that and put it in an episode. Yeah. It, um, she's, she's not wrong about any of it. And I, we don't, I mean, Dawson, I have all the beef with Dawson's movie. It's like, I hate these.

It's unbelievable. It's the most arrogant thing in the world. Like to think that you're, cause we've all been there. I mean, to be fair, right? We've all been there. Like you had to have, when you were in high school or when you were in college,

you're hanging out with the bros and you're like, God, this could be a movie. We're so cool. And this is so much fun. I never had that. I mean, did you, I mean, to also actually be fair. I did, I did because I, I'll take that back. I did have one thing because.

Cause did you not get into shenanigans, Brandon? I got into shenanigans, but I don't pretend that anybody cares about my shenanigans. Maybe that's a small town mindset because our shenanigans felt so crazy to us because like, you know, the minimal exposure, it really, you know what I mean? Like it was like, we're crazy. Like we do wild stuff. And then like you get out into the real world and you're like, yeah, everyone else basically lived the same life as me. We just thought it was cool because we're from small town. I will say I did. I did have that inclination a couple of times. The biggest one was because did you ever see Adventureland, the movie with Jesse Eisenberg, Kristen Stewart, it's been a while though. About them working at an amusement park. Yeah. That movie did such an amazing spot on job of working at one of those places. And I was working at the mini golf go-kart place at the time.

And it was such a spot on like, like one for one of exactly what happens at that, at that fucking place that I was like, this is, this is kind of creepy. This is our life is like a movie. Um, well, cool. Did you have anything else to kind of rip through on that? Otherwise we got to get to the, the shocking end, the cliffhanger that we're ending on. Let's see. Yeah.

I think we covered everything in this one. I don't think we missed anything. No. Oh, other than, um than right before we get the shark and cliffhanger, there's another cliffhanger where Dawson is, it's at the end of the fair, Dawson's like looking around at everybody living their life and he sees Miss Kennedy,

our teacher, get in the, what are we doing here? Sorry, keep talking, Brandon, keep revving. I just need to open up the door for Josie so she doesn't shit all over the carpet. And I'm trying to text Kelly at the same time, be like, can you come get Josie? She's gonna shit all over the floor. She has bad stomach.

Let her out, let her out. She's gonna go shit in the kitchen. There you go. That's better than the floor. Sorry about that. Kelly was talking on the phone to someone like a selfish son of a gun. How dare she speak on the phone to people

when I'm trying to text and communicate with her. I'm just talking believable. I know, right? Like what, what is she, she's speaking to humans? That's, that's crazy. She's got one on her belly. That's all she needs to talk to. Yeah, you got, you got, you got a built-in listener.

Who you talking to? What are you talking to other people Yeah. You got, you got, you got a built in listener. What are you talking to other people for? You're going to love this because this is just how stupid I am as a person. She, cause you're supposed to like as, as the dad cause you're supposed to talk to the baby at certain moments. So like I've seen that movie. So see that. And so Kelly keeps trying to have me talk to the baby, but me being me, I can't like do it without like making weird voices or stuff. Like I, she, like, I don't know what is wrong with me.

You know what I mean? Like it's like, you know what we should do is that is next time we do the podcast, we'll Kelly in, hook up another pair of headphones and just put it on her tummy and then they can listen to us talk. And because, well, you know what I do? So I got, he talked to the baby and I'll be like, okay, shots in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man on the moon.

I love how your go-to song is about a, an absentee father. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I don't know why. I don't know why it does it, but like, this is where my brain goes there. Every time we're like, I'll go into an announcer voice, I'm like, hello, young baby.

You could do that. Hello, it's your father. You could do that. Put a baseball game on and broadcast a baseball game for him. My God, and like I did some, Lou, Lou, I am your father. And like, like every time she's like,

he didn't talk to the baby and she's like, don't make it down. And it's too late. It's the dumb voices. She's like, the point of this is for it to hear your voice. But every time she asked me to do it, there's this, this thing in my brain that makes me do the dumbest voice in the world.

There's something, you know, anyways, poor Kelly. Oh gosh. Poor Kelly. So anyways, let's get to this reveal at the end, Brandon, because my, there's a separate reveal that we, sorry, there's two reveals. There's two, because at the end of the market, right before we get to the, the, the, the massive cliffhanger, we see Miss Kennedy hop in the passenger seat of Mitch, who is, who is substitute teaching

at Dawson's school now. That's right. Yep. And that's how the movie teacher gets to know about Dawson's movie because his dad was bringing about it in the teacher's lounge. Yeah. But so, and he's giving her a ride home. Ha ha. Hi-o. That was after him and Dawson's mom were fighting about his birthday present, that brand new car. And Dawson's dad was getting pissed because she bought him the brand new car and he wanted him to have an old jalopy and work for that new one. Yeah. He wanted, he said, I was hoping he would have a terrible car like I did when I was growing up, which is a weird way to phrase that. But I get where it's coming from. Yeah. I thought the same thing. I was like, so the concept isn't wrong, right? Like we've all got that. I feel like that's a rite of passage. Like I got my sister's. The first three cars I had were all hand-me-downs. My, shout out to my parents for like when I turned 17 or 18 and they got me a car I could

fit into, but my first car was a two-door Chevy Cavalier and my knees went up almost above the steering wheel when I drove. Like my knees were at the steering wheel because it was such a small car. And finally, like they, cause like they never really rode in with me a whole bunch. And then finally they're like, he didn't, do't do like, do you want maybe to like, you know, like get your first like car, it's still a used car, right? But like, did you want to like go through your first car buying purchase? And I was like, yeah, I can't wait to fit in it.

And they're like, what are you talking about? And I was like, well, my, my knees go up and they're like, can we like, my dad was like, get in the car and he's like,, oh shit, like you don't fit in this very well. But they, I, but I never really complained. It was the same thing. Like I had the same bed from when I was like five years old and my feet hung off of it by like four inches. And so, and like finally family members like,

like almost shaming my parents at a family. I'll never forget that. Like, do you fit in your bed? And I was like, no, my feet hang off. And my parents are like, why didn't, why didn't you say that? And I was like, I don't know, didn't bother me. It just is what it is. And I was, I've been, I was like twice the size of my bed

for like five years, you know? Like I didn't fit in it. Feet hung off of it by like four inches, but I never said anything. And my parents got so frustrated with me because they're like, like they were embarrassed, right? Cause everyone was roasting them. They're like, your son is six, two.

You have a bunk bed for a five year old that needs sleep in it. And my parents are like, hey, why didn't you say anything? I was like, I don't know. It didn't bother me. Like I thought. I thought everybody lived like this. Yeah.

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Anyways, anyways. So yeah, and then Brandon, what a great episode to end this on. Yes, it was Joey walks in. She's like this was a happy accident. Wow. And Joey says, what does she I forget exactly what she says? Because I just she says she says daddy Cause I just, she says, she says daddy. Yeah. She's like, dad.

No, she says, she says, she says daddy. Oh, the fans, the fans don't need to hear me saying daddy. Just give, give us one. Give us one. Daddy. Don't say it like that. Nevermind. Nevermind. Just a daddy. So like a daddy, daddy. What's the word like that. Nevermind. Nevermind. Yeah. Just a daddy. So like daddy. What's daddy? Oh, cool. Like a daddy. Oh, that's the word I'm looking for. Give us a soul tree one.

No, no, that'll do. That'll do numbers on Tik Tok. Like you wouldn't believe. So I don't even know how to speak in a sultry manner. Like daddy. Nailed it. That was perfect. No, was it really? Is that daddy? Well, we'll let the,

we'll let TikTok decide if you nailed it. I don't, I don't know if I, you know, I've been described as many things in my life. Sultry has never been one of them. I can say that. Same here. You know, I've been described as many things in my life. Sultry has never been one of them. I can say that. Same here. Same here.

It's never been, never been in description. Anyways, but yeah, Joey's dad is back. Maybe some early release. Out of prison, maybe he escaped. Yeah. You saw how minimum security that prison was. It would not shock me if he escaped that That is true. But I I do I

Like remember was it the season finale when she goes and confronts him? Yeah, and they play The fucking dog pound song three times in the episode. I still can't get over that Three times in the episode. I still can't get over that. To replay that song three times in an episode. Unbelievable. Anyway. Isn't that where we get Edwin McCain though, when she's rowing the boat? Same episode, yeah. But I think that was probably one of my favorite moments in the whole show so far was like her rowing on that boat coming across the creek. Like her dad just told her to go get Dawson and Edwin McCain.

And I'll be your crying shoulder. And I'm just like, I'm just like, yes! Dawson and Joey, let's fucking go! And he just... And then he got ripped away from you in five episodes. That's what I'm saying. No, don't even get me started, Brandon. I was, it was so, and like that song was the perfect moment for, oh my God. It just, they were dressing it up with the trappings of love. It's my favorite lyric of a song.

I got to, anyways, damn it. That just, I can't believe that they burnt out that relationship so fast, you know? It just, that's filled up. We still got time. We got four more seasons here. That's wild. I cannot, you know what I'm most excited for?

How unhinged does this get in season four, season five? Like, it's like, how? It goes off the rails. It does. They go so, they go for it so hard in these first few seasons that they're not leaving a lot of room for big topics. You know what I mean? They could have stretched this whole,

this whole Jack thing could have been the end of the season or season three. Let this breathe a little. If you're gonna do the three-way with Dawson and Jack and Joey, let that breathe a little like let the, if you're going to do the, the, the, the three way, you know, with the, with Dawson and Jack and Joey, like let that breathe a little bit and then maybe have season two with the big contra. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but Joey's dad being back was an unexpected surprise. I gasped. I gasped when she said it was like, Oh, great cliffhanger. Yeah. It was so good. And then it was just, it was just daddy out.

And I was like, Oh my God, what the fuck? You got to tune in next week. Oh my God. What, what a show. Yeah. Like what a show. It's so good. It's so good.

I, I, yeah, it's, it is just, it's, I did say like these six episodes was a lot of Dawson's Creek to watch in two days. It was. That was, I see now why it came out weekly. Because like, it just, it keeps messing with me that they're not 30 minute episodes too. And so like I get halfway through the episode and I'm like, geez, Louise, this is, we're only halfway home, you know? But then, but then I, the episode starts getting good and I'm sucked right on back in. But like, yeah, it was just, you know, watching six episodes in two days. That was a lot of Dawson's Creek. I never, I don't know how you, I don't know what you said. You did it two days. I never, I never, um,

plan it out correctly. And so it's always like the night before where I'm like, Oh fuck, I gotta watch this. I'm gonna watch six hours of Johnson's Creek here. This is the first, well, so I watched one Friday night and I was like, cool. Like I can do two in the morning to at night tomorrow. And then it was, I was like, Oh, like I can do two in the morning, two at night tomorrow. And then it was, I was like, oh no, this is just, this is a full, full day thing, you know? It's five hours of television.

Yeah, cause you gotta pay attention. Like it's one thing if I could just throw it on and, you know, do stuff on my computer or my phone. Yeah, cause I, like I, I did that a little bit with the last grouping and then I leveraged AI for my note taking and that just fucked me up. You know, like it just meant, so I just had to trust the robots, man. Can't trust the robots.

And so I, but like I, I have to stand when I watch this, otherwise I'll fall asleep during all of them. So I stand at my standing desk and then watch it on the screen and jot stuff down while I'm pacing around a little bit. And it helps me kind of get through it. But man, Joey's dad is back. Can't wait to see where they go with this one. And we're at the end. The next group is the end. The finale. Yeah. And so like it's the last five, right? Like the last five episodes. Like it's on. It's on! It's on! So you