The Cake Eaters - 116. Dawson's Creek Season 2: Episodes 18-22

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

The boys finally wrap up Season 2 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 18-22. Heath and Brandon talk more about the soundtrack, Mike White & Jack Black, Joey/Dawson, Abby's death, and Andie's mental breakdown.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win there! there was so much reaction that dude i the only song ding dong the witches did oh my god brain i am not dude i or what about what about some remember the titans some na na na no no i don't know the name that song is it just goodbye hey hey hey goodbye i just did you watch that the other day that movie slaps dude i fucking love that movie i was going to do some taps That would be, she did die at sea, so that would be fitting. Right. She was lost at sea.

Oh, my God, I could sing a sea shanty. What's on the soon may the weather. That's the only one. I know that's not fitting at all. Oh, what do we do with a drunken sailor? What do we do with a drunken sailor? What do we do with a drunken sailor lie in the morning? who ran up she rises who ran up she rises right get it because she's a drunken sailor that fell in the water and died yeah yeah

put him in the long boat till he's sober put him in a long boat till he sober put him in a long boat till he sober lie in the morning is taps oh no no okay i was to say is tap's just an army thing or do they play that for the navy too they do play it for the navy i don't know i think we just nailed our intro there just figuring it out. Those are some solid intro songs. You know what else? The only song that I, so first of all, I also thought

I heard some B&L in there somewhere, but I can't remember which episode and I can't confirm if it was their song. But number two, the wedding episode, it just do you remember the my best friend's wedding movie? Do you remember that one?

My best friend's wedding? Yeah. Where the girl invite like goes to her best friend's wedding and like hires a gay guy to like pretend to be your fiance oh julia yeah yeah yeah there's the scene where he sings in the dining room and it was the only scene i liked in the movie so whenever my sister would watch the movie i would go do whatever i was doing but she'd always like holler down the basement she's like he if you want to come up scenes on and i'll just charge up there real quick because the moment i wake up there is some bina before i put on my makeup i see a little prep for you

forever and i skipped a part but i just like the forever and ever i give you my heart and how i love you together forever is how it must be to live without you would only be heartbreak for me oh brand it's your favorite part of a wedding movie during the general episode is when they played being now oh it is okay okay nice i knew i heard it i've been listening to a little bit more i made uh spot a spotify a spotify playlist called first street basement it's um just that was i lived on first street and when okay and i spent a lot of time in that that's some inside baseball right there yeah that was my that was my uh that was my basement dungeon basically like it was it was the heath

just spot um and i just put all the songs from like middle school and high school that remind me of hanging in the basement before we moved oh my god it's been really good there's some bn l in there brain and i put that in there for you but anyways um okay the the wedding episode with the runaway bride had me thinking about all the the different wedding movies you know wedding crashers obviously with with are you gonna start us off with the song i thought i did do i mean we just did the best intro 50 was that the intro okay i guess Okay, I guess I count that as the intro. We just, we just did the best freestyle intro that the listeners have ever heard, Brandon.

Okay. I guess. Do I mean? So this is the Kkeeters podcast, everybody. I got, uh, my name is Brandon. That's Heath over there. And it's a working title, Brandon. Oh, you know, you know, I thought of a great nickname for you, uh, while I was watching, uh, Smackdown.

Um, and the, the doctor of thugonomics. Um, you can be the, the doctor of duckanomics. Oh, my God. That's fantastic, Brandon. I thought you were going to go just, I thought you're going to go mean, if I'm honest. Like, you know, like, but Doctor of Deconomics, dude, let's go. How dare you think I was going to go mean?

Are you kidding me? That's the only, like, you're going to go low. You gave an unprovoked shot at Nebraska via techs the other day. Couldn't believe my eyes. There's no sister. is no such thing is unprovoked Nebraska shot couldn't believe my eyes I saw a funny the Huskers do nothing but provocation nothing but provocation I have no idea what you're talking about dude many of the homes is going to go off and the haters actually my god I should

I've got to calm down Brandon I've been drinking so much roulead it is bad for my health you know like it is it's not good him on the bowl doing the whole social media thing for the recruits fucking loved it leaning in like with the tractors every loved everything about it um they got some good transfer portal guys my hopes are high so that means they are going to underachieve that's the only thing that can happen because that's all that's happened since 1997 yeah i guess 2000 2001 weren't bad with with our boy crouch you know oh i do love i do love some air crouch but yeah you got to be wary about those huskies you fool me once dude fool me for the past decade

and shame on me, but, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to get some diabetes from this Rool-Aid drinking Brandon and I'm going to love every second of it. And then poor Kelly, pregnant and shit is going to have to, uh, well, Kool-Aid's just so full of so much sugar. Oh, Kool-Aid. I was thinking Gatorade for some reason. That's my bad. You're right. You're right. You're right. We're from Nebraska. I'm from Nebraska. Brandon, you think I'm going to put some fucking Gatorade over Kool-Aid. Kool-Aid was from Hastings, Nebraska. Fun fact. Do you not know that? was hastings it's in nebraska well i was hoping for a little somewhere in the west i just you know dude i got to get my i got to stretch out my dad

jokes dude i got to get them got to get them loose that i was a dad dad instagram is taken over my my thing someone's kelly sent me a couple and now it's taken over my algorithm so you see gonna send me some extra degenerate shit to get that back on there okay um anyways i've been talking for like 15 minutes and we haven't talked about that yeah it's okay Abby dies it's fine whoa brayn i mean we have to we are doing episodes 18 through 22 the last five and we have fire episodes brandon i don't want you to just besmirch like this is just some there's a long five episodes of doc coming okay well i mean brand this was we got the wedding with and joey getting back together abby fucking dies jen is dealing with trauma she's really i mean

i just feel so bad for jenn oh i i turned i turned on jenn in these five episodes she's dead to me she's i mean she didn't he what do you expect she's she turned her back on graham's dude was she i did she really really went too far with graham's and that was but graham's reaction was not wrong you know what i mean Like, I put that in here where she was like, she's like, listen, you are spending so much time rebelling against me that like, I don't think this is a good. Yeah, this is just isn't a good fit. And then when she goes back, I thought she was a dick. Like, so they made it like it was Graham's fault. Like Jen humiliated Grams in church on purpose to like create the most ultimate like Abby fucking moment for herself.

You know, like Abby was proud. dude abby was so proud of jen in that moment she's like fuck yeah but like jack jack says it the best in i think it's right before the fire when he's like uh he's like you should talk to your grandma about possibly moving back in and jen's like if you want me to leave just fucking say it oh my god and he's like is this what you did with your grandma where you just took where you took every word twisted them all around oh my god love that love that i mean we got freaking joey's dad back upgrading from weed to coke shout out him you know if he's gonna you just he's he's scaling his business go bigger go home dude it's it's called scale he would thrive in corporate america

bra yeah it's called capitalism guys he's got to get his r oi up you know like i'm sorry i thought i thought there's america i'm sorry that the r oi on weed just wasn't what it is anymore you know you got to get some coke in there um oh especially in a sleeping little Cape Town. I doubt you're moving a ton of weed. My God, we get Andy getting sent back because she's seeing her brother and then we get Joey

Reddit. Like, Brandon, these episodes were incredible. They were incredible. The last five, maybe it's just me as a as a creak head, you know, just showing my true stripes, but for the love of God, every

episode, I was like, well, I guess we're at the last stretch of the season so we're going to go big but my god those like i feel like half of those episodes are the season finale for like 90 percent of shows like and they just fit like four season fanlies in in like a five episode stretch and we got the joey's dad coming back right before this they could have ended the season on joey's dad coming back they could have done that they definitely could have ended it after um abby died after uh or yeah abby died or after uh the Chich Changes where Andy leaves.

Yeah. Like for for Andy to leave. Pacey Dad getting a fight, dude. Like, oh my God. Brandon. They threw a lot out of us. Sorry. It's just, I'm so like these.

So the perfect wedding and the Abby's funeral episodes, you know the reason why they were so good because they were written by Mike White. Oh, Mike White's a genius you. Do you know Mike White is? Oh my God. I'm blanking on the name of the show. The Flower Show.

Yeah. White Lotus. And also. Crushed it. Also. School of Rock. I was just about to ask you. I know I know him from something.

He's Mr. Shneedley. Yeah. The real Mr. Shneedle. The real. Yeah. Because every time I see him, I'm like, oh my god i always forget that you're that you're him yeah he wrote school of rock too i believe

and let me double check that but i'm 99 he hates jack black but school of rock is a she hates jack black yeah i think we've talked about this before yeah but school of rock is a top tier rewatchable movie like that is that is like speaking of rewatchables but like that is to the top tier elite if it is on you leave it on and that's one that you can get with the kiddos by yourself with the misses like that that movie knows no bounds and if it's on you got to leave it on dude my favorite scene is when he's using the guitar to do math and he does the math wrong and the kids like no it's not oh dude uh what's the uh what's the song the song they're working on that they don't actually play what they're working on throughout the class, you're not hardcore. You're not hardcore. Unless you live hardcore.

That would be so good. It's, it really is. It's, it's, it's the most rewanchable movie ever. I always, I always quote that to, uh, to my, I, I haven't a while. But I used to always quote that to my sister. So you're not hardcore and else, unless you live hardcore, bro. Oh, my God. That's, they get it. But anyway, so you, you, I don't know why this just popped in my head, but you want to know what my

favorite thing to do in the world now lately is I've been doing it to the Kielmans a lot is whenever somebody whenever somebody posts like a group photo you know whatever like the Kielmans just went to a wedding not too long ago

and so Kelsey posted a couple like group photos at the wedding whenever there's a group photo that gets posted my favorite thing to do it's just to respond nightmare blunt rotation no matter who's in the photo but that's probably like she she posted one of those grams in there uh you mean deb no well i mean like if their grandparents would

be like deb deb deb was in there nice um or the she just posted her her gerald um and a bunch of people went to casa benita and they she posted a photo of them at the table and i responded with that nightmare blunt rotation that's that's classic all right let's get back this episode love that story that is something you should continue to do but you should go even deeper like if it's like like if i ever post we're not going to post a picture with of the kid on on social media but if i do post a picture of me kelly and the baby oh my nightmare blood rotation yeah you what a nightmare kelly would be yelling at us the whole time about smoking in front of the baby and offering it to it i said that kid better burn though don't tell kelly that she's

I think everyone would be a little disappointed, right? It's like, geez, he, does she adopted? I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Kelly's literally on the other side of the wall. I hope to Christ, she cannot hear me what I'm saying right now. But, okay, so the wedding episode, we get dad back, books us the catering job because he's like, hey, this felt right out of Bob's burgers, right?

He needs to launder his cocaine money. Yes, that's also a very, good point they need to start bringing him more money so he can start laundering money they especially need to have it look nicer so they can bring him more customers um but is this reminded me at bobs burgers when they take on the catering job do you remember that like they catered wedding and it goes terrible but anyways um town still being dicks to to joey and her dad like she eves here overhears those ladies being like a criminal unfortunately they're proven right in the end um but you know it's only once

but yeah and then of course you know the joey suckers all of our friends do you think they pay them for all this 60 bucks a day for the whole day you didn't you didn't see that oh i missed i missed i didn't catch when when jack goes up he jack goes up to dawson and and uh pacy and he's like we need you guys to help 60 bucks um yeah so they're paying them uh called six 60 bucks in 1999 dude that's a nice gentle change that's like 50,000 dollars. Jesus Christ. I did call Andy Annie until someone said her name in this episode. So that was that was the standard Heath for getting people's names because I haven't watched the show in a little bit. But that happens. It's always a fun reminder when I read back through. Why are you calling

their names out during the episode? Well, like in my notes, like sometimes I'm trying to like. Yeah, I'm trying to like jot down who the person is. I'm talking about while you're watching. No, no, I'm jotting stuff down and I'm like, oh, shit, I got to write down a name. I'm like, foo, it's A, it's N. It's like Annie for sure. And then they said Andy and I switch back towards it. Is it Andrea? You know, I don't know.

I don't know. They showed the pill bottle with the full name way back when, but I forget if it was Andrea. Yeah, well, Andy is not wanting to go help because she hates weddings, but actually she's a sucker for weddings but i'm glad they switched that they turned that around because in the moment when she was like i hate weddings i was like that doesn't make sense for her character yeah um yeah and the flailing and knocking over the cake you have you just you cannot be that just you know careless and reckless around anything as important as the cake yeah yeah you got to wedding can you got to keep it tight you got to keep it real tight if you're in wedding support

you know what i mean like as a as a official officiant um you know i know i know we're we're double a double certified double officiants here dude i did my first wedding it's done it's complete it's in the books i haven't done one i'm still very so very very upset with my friends for not letting me do it Well, that's, I think that says more about you than them. I've done nothing but wish both of their marriages, uh, ill will, um, since then. They're still, they're all still together though, both couples still, still thriving. I'm still trying to convince Kelly to let you do ours, but I don't know if she, uh, I don't know if she's sold yet.

You have to start doing better. Just in general. Oh, so you're giving me, giving me flashbacks to, you know, uh, job performance reviews. Yeah, start doing better, Brandon. What do you mean? I got to start doing better. I'm just talking with you. Just everything.

It's just going to be showing progress. Tighten it up. Tighten it up. Yeah. So next time I'm here around Kelly, just a full tightening of it up. Okay. So we get runaway bride scenario. And Jack or Dawson,

shocking to no one doesn't necessarily do the best job of trying to talk her out of it well then he gets all he's shocked when uh jack does a better job he's like what the fuck i talked to her for like an hour and a half it's because you're because you suck yeah well you're you're an idiot is is number one i love that jack was like hey listen if you keep this going we're going to have to go talk to your mom and she was like oh shit let me get out of here did we oh my god who was um Oh, Rachel, wait, Rachel Lee Cook was in this episode? Rachel Lee Cook. Yeah, remember?

Remember, oh, now I remember. Okay, never mind. She's the, she played Devon. She was the, the, uh, Joey. Oh, the actress. They just showed a clip of the movie, didn't they? That's right. That's why she's in the credits.

I don't remember her in this episode. But yeah, now I remember they showed. a clip of the um but um i was trying to remember do we know the uh i mean obviously we don't know her from the show um but the the bride was she related to somebody i forget how why why they were doing this wedding uh the catering fell through and so but who was the they they knew the bride somehow right the i mean it's just small town wedding stuff and it was like the she wasn't related anybody? No, it was just like they just

Dawson's parents were invited so they knew her, okay it was just a well-to-do wedding in the town and Dawson's mom being a news anchor you know makes them in elite company and you can't invite one and not the other you know

small town politics. Yeah, I don't know why I thought she was maybe like a cousin or something to somebody. But speaking of Dawson and mom and dad. You know who didn't get invited though. He's who Jen and Abby When Andy Jen yells at Andy for

like as soon as she kicked them out and Abby grabbed it for the road I thought I was like oh this is drinking and driving written all over it I was like this is this is I mean to be fair when I was a junior in high school and we went like around to graduation parties

like some cool parents give us some beers and a couple were like hey need any for the ditch It's some way in America humor But yes, we took a lot of beer For the road Unbelievable, unbelievable Oh, you just, you know

Just put it in a coozy You're fine Looks like a can of Pepsi When you run people off the road Because you're drunk, Keith That's why you have one for the ditch Come on, Brandon Small Town America

Anyways, don't drink and drive kids It's actually very interesting. Did I tell you that? So I went to a couple, like maybe a month ago, I went to a, it was my great-uncle's, again, I don't know how family. I don't know how family trees work, but my great, it was my grandpa's brother. So great-uncle? Yeah.

It was his, like, 99th birthday or some nonsense like that. And so I went there. And then, so my great-a-an, so his sister. sister, so my grandpa's sister, I was talking with her, and she, she was like, because I brought a bunch of, I brought a, you know, there's beer and everything there, and I brought a bunch. I was, I offered her some, and she was like, oh, no, I'm not, I got to drive here in a little bit. I don't, I don't drink anymore. Or I don't, yeah, I don't drink anymore if I have to drive. And then she proceeded to go on and be like, pretty exactly how she phrased it, but she was like, she was like, back in my day, I was, I was a drunk. driver i was always driving drunk she was like everybody knows i was drunk i was drinking and driving and she was like the way she was like just she was like bragging about how when she was like uh

you know in her 20s and 30s that she was always drinking and driving and it's like i get that it was a different time you know but dude have you not seen that what a wild thing you just be like bragging about have you not seen that meme of them saying that they're outlying drinking and driving and it's a lady with a kid in her car and she's like in a car seat and she's sort of like you know I just don't understand why we can't have a cold beer on drive home and that was like 1985 yeah fantastic but um anyways back to the episode I do have to say that I thought jack did a good job with his messaging when he was just like hey can't be out there chasing a perfect love it doesn't exist there's no such thing let's get our shit together and

appreciate the person that appreciates you he started off real negative yeah she she was like what if i what if i'm giving up my soulmate and he goes bitch there's this one you're never going to find anybody that actually loves you okay yeah like first of all there is no such thing as a soulmate disney is wrong yeah but then he then he real didn't and he brought it home right now you're gonna gonna get a little realism in there branded like you know come on this lady needs to get her shit together it's they paid a lot of money for that wedding Yeah, it was, in the description here, it says a posh wedding. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Attended by all the blue bloods of kids. Oh, my God. Dude, could you imagine runaway bride at that wedding would have been talk of the town for the next 10 years? Do you think that your family would be described as a blue blood of Wayne America? Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God. No. Oh, no.

Brandon no no no we it was there was a lot of moments in time where people were there where I would sometimes get checked by parents because they just did not like that I had like it's very political even as a kid you know like if you had the you know it's like if you had a certain last name there was expected playing time in sports and and if you outplayed those individuals that maybe weren't as good as their last name prescribed then sometimes you know parents would complain and all of a sudden your playing time would get slashed until they would make too many mistakes and it was like okay tough shit quit complaining they're not good um that happened a lot yeah but you weren't you weren't one of them

no no dude you know my last thing that that last thing gets you nowhere positive people are very uncomfortable it's it just you know that's just how it works okay i i because i was just thinking to myself i was like i i wonder if if if i could ever be a blue blood of anything you know no and my dad my dad was about a welder for his whole life you know like that's you don't you don't become a blue blood in way in america by working at great day in welding for like 30 years you know i mean if if any town would let a welder be a blue blood it would be way in america i mean they might be now because they were such tight asses when i was growing up with their money you know what i mean like you know it's i always love to joke it's not about it's not

about it's not about uh status and you know i mean if you you can be a a blue blood lose all your money and still be a blue blood you know i mean my mom worked as a secretary at the high school for the last like before she retired for like over 10 years so she's not a blue blood but everyone in that town knows who she is because she was you know at the secretary town pariah no she was the secretary and she you know my mom and i've always been honest about this she ran a tight ship and so like those kids in that high school did not get away with shit i would tell her all the time of like how is your house never gotten egged like like you just leave those fucking kids alone man like if so they so what

they snuck out for lunch when they weren't supposed to go she's like well they broke the rules and I caught him. They saw him. They should have hit it better. It's like, well, that's a fair point. Like, if you don't, like, if you don't want to get in trouble, don't get caught. But, yeah, you know. Hold me once, you. Yeah. That's, no one was fooling her. And that's

a, that's a great depiction of what my high school experiences like. Reminds me, my, my, uh, my favorite, uh, TikTok account now is, and I forget, I forget her name. But she is, uh, she's a, a lady from, uh, Appalachia. And so she does a couple different kind of videos, but one of them is she, it's her and I don't know if it's her grandma or her aunt, but she'll do those like videos where it's her and this, this older lady that, and they just, you know, town gossip. And it's hilarious. They both have like that crazy Appalachian accent. And then the, the clips that I love, though, is she does these like skits where it's like every, it's like a you're watching every, uh, you're watching every, uh, receptionist area in the in Appalachia and she she she she acts like the the secretary at like a like some kind of doctor's office or something and so she she and she just says it's spot on everything she says she's got like a little mint that she always has in her mouth so she always like it's amazing I I God I wish I remember the name vamp a little let me think of the name that way I don't leave everybody hang in here my god yeah otherwise that was a story for nothing Brandon good Lord just so don't Search Appalachianist on TikTok.

You'll find it. So you'll fucking find it. Gets mad at his dad because his dad brings his new lady love knowing that his mom is going to be there. And Dawson's like, bro, why would you bring her to just throw salt in the wounds of mom? And mom's on the fucking on the prowl for, uh, for Mitch. She's trying to get him back. She's wearing her where, uh, skimpiest little dress. dress yep you know and Mitch is just okay I got Andy Marie Tillman that's who the

TikTok lady is Andy Marie Tillman great Appalachia humor if you ever if that's that's your thing um so so yeah and then we get um we get because at the wedding Dawson and um I forget um I forget who's dancing with his mom is or Dawson's dancing with his mom and say because don't they switch and Dawson's mom and dad end up dancing somehow catch a see what the fuck sorry this came

he came out of nowhere he came in hot man yeah dude he's been doing this more and more because he's just he's kicked out of the bedroom I've said this a million times but like him not being the baby anymore is starting to impact him and he has become wildly clingy towards me lately and just wait so just wait till the wait till the baby comes he's gonna start fucking swatting it i'm so nervous and he has his claws that's what makes me the most

nervous you know like if he didn't if he was declawed which i think is like supposed to be really bad for the cats um to get just to get him declawed yeah it's incredibly painful and yeah yeah you're not supposed to do it anymore yeah oh okay um but yeah he just having those little claws it makes it because like he likes to like if he's trying to get my attention he just takes like one little claw and will like stick it into my calf to get my attention if I'm not paying attention to him this he's not a dick about it was he's not like fucking I mean he's he's incredibly polite about it but like one little claw digging into the baby is not that's well you know she's got to learn sometime you know damn it brandon that's wrong answer but

Anyways, I forgot what we were talking about, but it was, I'm pretty sure it was Mr. Potter that was dancing with his, with, Gail. That's what it is. Mr. Potter dancing with Joey, Dawson dancing with his mom, and then they swap. Yep. And then they do the swap. And then Mitch ends up swapping too, right? Because don't they, oh, no, that's at the dinner. That's at the dinner when they're trying to do.

I almost I almost did the same thing and then I held my tongue because I was like nope that's when they tried to parent trap them yep you know the old the old parent trap dude I love that let's get together yeah yeah yeah do you know I'm talking about like the original parent trap when they put on the I don't think I've ever seen the original the well when you say original you mean like the actual original or Lindsay Lohan no the actual original I'm a I'm a strictly Lindsay Lohan I'm the opposite I'm the i'm the that's our two that's our separation of of age here ever so slightly brandon where i grew up on the original because my sister four years older than me loved it and if that shit was on tv it was on the at the house especially if he had control the remote you know just bound to happen um but anyway so then after the wedding we get shown to the docks and jen and abby are just wasted they are hammered off a champagne and they are just champagne drunk they tried to crash it and he kicked him out yeah and and which like you know to be fair to andy this is a big deal for jolly's family and their business and it was right it was right after she broke the cake to so she's not in a good headspace no no and so she's really anxious and then you know the wedding had a lot of hiccups up until the end there like with some of the food not being ready don't know if you caught that but there were some hiccups there was there was also a ton of because they mentioned they mentioned they needed help with a catering but i did notice a

ridiculous amount of people in catering outfits running around in the background yeah who the fuck are those people yeah but then jenn actually like she shouldn't have blamed um andy because like they came during the reception too like they came during the reception and jen even said like okay we'll come back after the dance is going and everyone's had a bit more to drink and they won't notice two wasted high schoolers it's like dude if you're going to wedding crash go late they get went they went too early yeah and so you can't you can't wedding crash a small town everybody knows you but and then and then heard to heard to lay any blame on and he was fucking unbelievable yeah well she was projecting on everyone um because she felt guilty for

not being able to save her she's a terrible person well she turned into the human version of her haircut these these five episodes when she laughs at abby i like that was a pretty stiff fall and like to conquer head like that and to just kind of laugh at her maybe it's because she was drunk but then you know and then abby gets back up i think you should should have been like hey stay down for a second don't immediately get back up on the ledge and do you think she planned it do you think she did it on purpose stop and brandon you're the worst i said poor jen because i like she's a murderer she is tried to save abby but the current was too she did not try to save her at all she hesitated when she screamed happy for way too long while she was in the water before she decided

to jump in should have been immediately like as she was falling jen should have been on her way down but she was not able to react fast enough she was drunk brand she was drunk she i think i don't think she was drunk at all i think this was all on purpose this was all my god you're the worst brand in um but while this is happening and jen and abby is the current's too strong is what they say in the next episode and jen could not get to her current was too strong she sees the look the scared look on abby's faces abby's knows she's dying i'm about to die and jen just couldn't get to her um that's what they said and then uh but yeah but dawson and joey exactly exactly what a murderer would say oh my god brandon you're the worst cat jessie are you shitting me let go let go

ow all right damn it all right give me one say actually we're fine stop he just grabbed the cord on my headphones and almost pulled it out um like a real dick he's just i mean he is sitting here adorably next to me but he is causing trouble he did the one claw thing into my finger when I pulled the court away from him. I could have sworn she because I like we said before I've seen this show before years and years and years ago so like my timelines are very fuzzy and I could have sworn Abby died in like season four or season five I was not prepared even even when they were like on the docks because I know I remember her I

I remember that's how she died. But even then, I was like, wait, this is too soon, right? And I was wrong. I could not believe it when they were zipping up that fucking body bag. Could not believe it. But also, before I forget, Dawson and Joey kiss and get and I love you in at the wedding. And they're back. They're back, Brandon.

Short later, but they're back. They're always back. What a night. So anyways, Abby fucking dies. I couldn't believe it, Brandon. I could not believe that Abby died. And I text you this and I just, I thought Dawson's description of like everyone is doing their job,

like their duty of mourning, like they're being the dutiful mourners, I think he said. He's like, but there's also this weird undertone of like when the munchkins were free of the wicked witch of the West. Yeah, yeah, because Abby fucking sucked.

Yeah, like she said it in one of the episodes. like she saw like causing drama as an extracurricular activity so like her and then like andy reads their journal and it's just venom it's even it's even meaner it's even meaner than what that's it like that is wild too right like her thoughts were even meaner than the mean shit said out loud so she she had a little bit of a filter yeah it wasn't it wasn't ever all of her thoughts weren't completely you know coming out of her mouth she had the tiniest little bit of a filter i i just i could not believe it then and then jen was getting so frustrated with everyone because everyone was pretending like abby was such a nice person that would be that's where i i related to jen that would be infuriating like i like i know all of you hated her i was the only one that could tolerate her and she was terrible quit acting and then andy andy said uh andy says uh

Andy says something about, like, not believing in, in disparaging the dead or something like that. That, that shit drives me crazy. I did think that. Like, don't speak ill of the dead. If they were a shitty person, then, yeah, go ahead. It's like with Hulk Hogan. Like, yeah, I had no problem with people being like, well, he was a fucking terrible racist. Yeah, he was.

Yeah. Yeah. Still revolutionized wrestling. It was a larger than life. personality you know yeah yeah yeah you can't you can't uh i don't know i don't know i'm trying to say but yeah he's yeah he was incredibly influential still a terrible terrible person most people that are that influential are terrible people yeah yeah most people in general are terrible people that i think that's what surprises me more than anything brandon especially with the cancel

culture stuff is like people act so shocked when they find out like celebrity and famous and like famous athletes are terrible people it's like well like what did you expect they they got famous they got to like the highest level of athleticism you don't do that by being a nice person yeah it's it's almost impossible to do as a nice person as we found out with every celebrity revelation yeah plus like i don't know the thing that drives me crazy about that is people the holier than now people with that stuff where they're like you know they get all upset because they're like how the people that like if you didn't care for Hulk Hogan and want to call him what he is which was a racist then yeah by all means go for it but for you to get mad at somebody

who was like mourning them like how how dare you um you know people were getting mad at because like uh did you see what happened to chelsea green um chelcy green posted a like a just a like your standard memoriam like twitter thing like oh shit holkogen died that's so that's kind of sad yeah um he was a you know it's a huge part of every wrestling fan's childhood he was my first like like i think it was him and sting were the first two action figures i had she got like people tore her apart for that they're like he's a he's a terrible person how dare how dare you have any sympathy or any empathy or you know how dare you not hate everything about Hulk Hogan and it's like okay you the holier than that people join me crazy just because it's not black and white like that

no it's not black and white plus you i guarantee you you're a terrible person too well these are the same people that like on love island like when a girl said a mean comment one time that she went and did like education for it and then people got mad at her and started calling ice on her parents it's like oh my god right like it's like these are the same people that are out protesting but yet they're doing something because she i forget what she said but she literally like did like social media posts of like i went through training i did classes like i did all these things because i made an insensitive comment and people it was not good enough for people and these psychopads like we're calling like ice on her parents

and they had to like reach out publicly to be like hey man can you can you can you can use sociopaths that watch love violence stop please um but anyways it was wild it's that that whole year than now there's nothing that drives me more insane than when somebody thinks they're better than somebody like that shit drives me up the wall that they love are just as shitty you know it's it's like them themselves is not worse them themselves as a person i guarantee you is shitty yeah that's what makes us so endearing brandon we know how terrible we are as people oh yeah i'm the yeah i'll be the first to tell you i'm a terrible terrible person um so yeah i don't know that the whole year than that drives me crazy it's like give me give me five minutes and i guarantee you i

will find something on anybody that would make you hate them yeah like you're not you're not no one goes through life unscathed um it's it's just learning from the boneheaded things who do as kids yeah because that's a that's amazing for the person i don't watch the law and someone who it is but for her to take classes and all that's that's that's what you're looking for that's what you want is like i'm saying yeah couldn't believe it and then you call ice that's sociopathic like that is like why i couldn't couldn't believe it never felt worse for a reality tv person personality in my life. Usually they're just kind of characters on the show, but people took, like, too many people got into Love Island this year, and they took it too far and kind of ruined it. See, that, that, that, I, I free to talk, talking to somebody about something like this, about, like, the, the, the time and effort that it takes for people to do that is mind-boggling to me.

I've never cared about anything enough to do that like because like I I don't definitely don't care about anything as certain myself that's maybe my dogs maybe but like even then oh I know I talk about how much flapjack sucks all the fucking time yeah um Josie was a real piece of work Jenkins is getting old and like the other day it doesn't matter actually but like I don't I don't want to love i don't watch love island but i do watch uh the challenge m tv is the challenge that's like my similar that's yeah very yeah uh they even have i think they they even have live island people they've cross over all the time yeah but um but so like that's my reality uh um that's like really

the only reality show i watched um and i was just i just finished like an older the the not the new one that's going on now but the old the last one because i'm i'm like i'm like three seasons behind everybody um because i don't i don't watch it live or whatever but um even during that like during watching the whole show there's like you know there's people that i can't stand yeah um and i'm like god i really hope they get eliminated i would there there's no shot in the history of the world that i would ever go online and write something mean about that person though like that seems that's insane to me or go hunting through their social media from five years

go to find dirt on them too much but um anyways so this next episode that being said yeah i'm abby fucking sucks i mean abbey does suck but jens jens funeral eulogy was gen jen does not handle no nobody handles uh nobody handles the abbey the abbey death well no it sends andy and i spiral she starts seeing ghosts yeah she starts hallucinating you know what cool thing uh i guess kind of cool thing um it's it's a double-edged cool thing double-edged cool thing that i saw the other day is there are specific service dogs um that are trained uh for like people who have hallucinations oh it's like uh like they have the service dog and the service dog essentially the service dog is trained to greet every single person that ever comes in contact with them

every single time 100% of the time so if there's if you see somebody and the dog doesn't react doesn't greet the person that that person knows that that's a hallucination wow I got into it I got I saw like a wild real on it and I yeah and I fell deep into that rebel because it was I was like what a crazy what a what a world what a world fast And genius all at the same time. Our neighbor over here. We have to get Andy one of those. Our neighbor over here, he sometimes, like, he has friends that do the service dog

training, and he will sit the puppies sometimes. Oh, my God. It's the best. But they're working dogs, you know, and they're in training. So, like, you can't get super, you know, petty and playful with them because they got to, you know, they got to be real. with them from you can distract them yeah yeah and so like he's in in um josie is the perfect dog for him to work with because josie hates all puppies she's blind and can't see so like they can't just come in

hot but sometimes they do and she just she just gums them a little bit you know she's missing all her teeth but um they're the most adorable little dogs and um it's sometimes really funny when they get overly excited and they're just like fuck you dude i'm not working now jinkins is is egging me on. I do always love, I've always wanted to, maybe I'll do it one day. I've always wanted to adopt the, like one of the dogs

that fails out of the service again. Because like they're too friendly. Yeah, yeah, they're, yeah, they get distracted too easily. So yeah. Same, right? But loved the next step. So, dude, this. The funeral was crazy.

The funeral was bat shit crazy. Jen gets the boot from Graham's. I am. fully with grams jen took that too far she did her best fully with grams i'm 99% with grams i don't think you kick her out but i do exactly like you can't kick her out with no place to go exactly that's fucked you tell her hey maybe call your parents and let's figure something else out but yeah don't don't kick her out yeah you got to you you have to if she works i mean it's not good for the plot line obviously like for the show but like yeah that's where as graams it's like hey

no longer a good fit your parents sent you here for purpose x why has happened so we need to come to z conclusion right yeah and like you you mentioned it like she's you mentioned it what graham says where it's like you're rebellion against me for like no fucking like it it's she's giving so much energy to the rebellion and the anti grams and like being so against something that she's She's like ruining her own life just trying to rebel against Grams. And if she could invest that rebellion into something, like she, like, you know, like, if I'm out of the picture, you may not have something that you feel like you have to rebel against. And maybe you'll channel all that energy into, you know, getting good grades. Because Graham's for that first, those first, like, couple, you know, episodes that she gets here in season one.

Graham's she tries to get her to go to church she gently pushes her but then she once Graham's realized it's not happening she gives up yeah so it's not like now Graham's the one dude that was like being mean about Jack being gay remember she's like who the fuck are you guy

we're so far into them living together at this point Grams is not Grams is not forcing anything on her. Grams is not pressuring her. Grams is not Grams is putting zero energy into the whole rebellion thing. She's just like, as long as you're fucking

you know, as long as she's come home, somewhat respectful. Grams will make like a weird snarky little remark every once in a while. But those are needed. Yeah, because you're trying to fuck an 80 year old fisherman. Yeah, you're getting shit based. every night you came home drunk

as shit which like okay that happens but like you have to expect your parents or your caretaker who is in charge of you as a human to be like hey we kind of got to cut the shit yeah so like yeah her rebellion means it makes

no fucking sense she's just being an asshole exactly yeah she's just fucking like at first it was like okay it's like Grams is pushing a little bit too hard but now it's like all right cut the shit dude like Graham's just you know anyways it's I could not believe Jen's performance at that funeral but more importantly it was so incredibly disrespectful to Abby's parents oh yeah yeah that was

beyond disrespectful to Abby's parents like she came at Graham's while humiliating herself and humiliating Abby's mom and dad yeah she and that's fucked she went scorched earth at somebody's fucking funeral like come on yeah that was that was not a good look um i did like the next episode with them uh kicking it off with them watching st elmo's fire what a what a random movie tip for them to be watching to kick it amelia yeah amelia that's uh that's on our list we'll do uh sooner later we'll do seen emmos fire nice i don't even know where we'd watch that um but we get it's probably it's on amazon for sure if if nothing else than to rent you know yeah um well we get ab not abby switching up her hair um andy switching up her hair

to do to brown that uh to go back to sam elmose fire that pillow fight um right is that this one where the kids getting a pillow fight yeah that that's insane almost right i can't remember it's at the beginning i think it is this one it's gotta be this one because they're watching and St. Elmo's Fire. Yeah. Because they're all together, right? Everybody's there. Yep.

Yeah. And they were like, what a reunion. And they, like, but we all kind of hate each other, just like the movie. Yeah. And then they get into a big pillow fight and there's so much feathers everywhere. It's on, it covers the whole entire screen. It's nothing about feathers. Yeah.

And, you know, there's a wild. There were not a lot of feather pillows left around by the late 90s, early 2000s. people had fully great like didn't i hated fed do you ever have to sleep on a feather pillow i fucking hated feather pillows like they'd always the end of the feathers would kind of jab you on the cheek sometimes if you didn't have like a proper pillow case on it yeah we i never did i never had to sleep on them but we did have um like couch pillows that were like feathered and yeah you could like the little thing would stick out and you could just pull the feather out yeah one of my one of my buddies had a feather pillow in his den so for sleep

over sometimes you got stuck with it literally but anyways that that wasn't at the beginning of this episode i'm looking at a photo now yeah nice um but and this is where andy starts hallucinating and seeing brown aka tim her brother can we they made it way too sexual right well yeah because they were trying to they were trying to sew the the other you know uh the other guy she cheating on pacey thing but i have more of an issue with brown why she goes um she says i couldn't pronounce timothy as a child so i called him by my favorite color brown every single point in that doesn't make any fucking sense you can't pronounce timothy i'm i guarantee you you pronounce Tim you fucking idiot

and then she goes so I called them by my favorite color that's wild why are we calling it by your favorite color what the fuck is that about and then why is brown your favorite color the more I learn about Andy the I she's she could not be any

stupider well the fact that she gets the fact that she gets passing grades is astonishing it's Well, she was OCD about having to prepare, and you know, like, it's almost like she had the breadcrumbs of severe mental health, and it just took one dramatic event to completely set being able to hallucinate and see people in motion. Yeah. Just some of her, just her, her thought process is astonishing sometimes. Like, what was the thing? Oh, yeah, right? It was like, right when she first started, she first came into the show. And the teacher asked her, what's the difference between macro and microeconomics? And she froze. She couldn't, she couldn't even, she couldn't think of any of that.

She couldn't even improv a wrong answer. She doesn't say anything because she's stupid. Jeez, Louise, you hate, you have too much dislike for Andy when she is just, you know. Dude, I, I got so. She's just one card short of a full deck, you know, and that's not. Nothing wrong with that. I got so irrationally angry at that, the Tim story. I called it brown because I couldn't pronounce Timothy and brown's my favorite color.

I mean, kids make weird decisions. I don't know. Like, be nice. I don't know. Also, I put this down. Is it just me or did they suddenly switch from like small town high school to a fucking campus for high school? Did you notice that? like the outdoor shots of their high school it looks like a sprawling college campus has it always

been like that or did i just not been paying attention yeah it's always they they've always used that like like courtyard i don't think it's a sprawl it's one courtyard it's not like is it oh i thought it looked like it i thought it looked like the cinema shots like outside switched from like just front of you know like front of like a standard high school building to like more campus with yard and stuff it's it's been like that for all the season two it was probably it was probably different for season one but all the season two has been like that it's been that courtyard thing anyways i just i didn't notice it until episode 20 so shout out me uh paying attention to the details just like andy that's jesus probably if something traumatic i mean i am one

traumatic experience ran in away from being bad shit crazy you know i mean i'm already batch you crazy but i would know hey brown's not my favorite color and i would never call somebody my favorite color what a dumb dumb thing i'm sorry and i'm too i'm too you're being way too hard on andy but that's fine i would expect i just being less from our resident hater no empathy for jen even less for andy i see i don't know what it is about these last five episodes but both jen and andy were driving me crazy uh jen for good reason that was wild so So yeah. And then Dawson was driving me, but Dawson always drives me crazy because Dawson's terrible. Yeah, I did love the restaurant getting the leery, like thinking that they

were the same person. So we end up with a double date. And then we accidentally end up with a triple date. That was weird too. Because what is this? What do? Does he do that for every last name? That's the same? Because I guarantee there's got to be at least two families with the same last name in that town right it was a terrible excuse for them to accidentally end up on a double date but but i did love dawson's stupid ass line where he's like what is this a french restaurant or french uh cinema or something like that uh because of all the drama when he saw his mom walking in oh yeah that yeah that was crazy and then uh oh and then they this is when they try to parent trap them and joey just like is so fucking mean to

the lady and she's like, so let's actually unpack exactly what the shit you talked about, Dawson's work. I was kind of, I was kind of on board with, with her and Dawson as, as, as, as, as, uh, snarky and assholeish as her and Dawson were. I was on their side for that because it's like you, yeah, you literally just told this motherfucker that he's the, it's the worst movie you've ever seen and these people would eat him alive. But now that you're fucking his dad, you're like, okay, maybe I should.

should give you a you know well i'll give you a passing grade now then i'm trying to try to i'll get you an intern oh yeah i'll get you an internship so you don't hate me and it's like go go fuck yourself yeah come on just call me mom yeah i did love when uh i did love how the the thing that's that set her over that set uh miss kennedy over the edge was getting called persnickety she's like that's that's it i'm done that's the fucking final show that dude that whole Do you remember Did you watch Ted Lassow Where him and

Him and Coach Beard are like Where they say the word too much And then it kind of loses all meaning I was that was persnickety for me By the end of this episode I was like oh my God I was just I don't think I know what persnickity means What does it mean

It's like prickly Like you act in like Another way to say like Like if someone is acting in a prickly manner Like they're kind of right I just call that pull on a heath you're the worst you know i am somewhat nice in ideal circumstances i'm if i if i if i've turned it like if it's in a moment where i turn it on then i'm solid but if i am not in the mood to turn

it on then yes brandon i would agree with you i am i am very interested in watching how this woman that is that is your offspring progresses through her her development with both you and Kelly in her ear at the same time

she's going to be first of all you said that in the fucking most insane way possible like the way you started that off was the most insane way possible I know I was going to be when I started it off I was thinking how do I how do I say this in like a how do I say this in a normal way and then that turned into I'm just going to say it in the weirdest way possible and and you ever have that where you're like I'm trying to be so normal right now and then it just takes it's a 180 on you if it was if it was just you and I you could have just said it however you wanted to and we could have moved on very quickly but since it's for the pot you had to like try to filter but you fucked up the filter I over filtered, I over filtered.

Brandon, you may be just as persniquity as I am, because I had to look up the exact definition. If it's prickly, I'm 100% percent. Well, it's all, it's not just prickly. It's someone who is fussy, overly meticulous, or demanding about minor details, a degree of nitpicking and excessive attention to detail that are not important things. Damn. That is. Talk about a callout.

like you are the most persnickety person I've ever met when it comes to watching movies there might as there might as well be a picture of me on that definition that's why I had to read it out loud because yes I might be somewhat persnickety but you take you take it home my friend you take it home maybe me and miss Kennedy would probably get along really well then absolutely like it's like you watching movies this is just you that's is you watching movies yeah that was like that was pretty spurn on oh that was a beautiful moment in the pot okay do to go to go back to the my awkward my awkward proclamation though do you understand that right how like this this kid is

gonna this kid's gonna be infused oh because it's gonna get two sides of the coin yeah because kelly's gonna be like you know what you need to she's gonna give like you need Gentle parenting and then you're just going to be standing behind Kelly being like fuck that dude like if she's in trouble just the like the fucking crazy eyes look of like dude your mom is being nice right now I will fuck up your world it like with looks you know yeah the the uh the emotional whiplash this kid is going to uh indoor is going to be uh interesting I mean I like to think that she'll be as well adjusted as one could be with us as her parents, right? Like, that's, that's my hope.

It's a very low bar to see. Oh, is it? I'm not the worst. At least it is the worst part is that everyone keeps telling me I'm going to be good at it. And I was like, oh, boy, that's a lot of pressure because what if I suck, dude? Because I'm not, I'll be good post baby, right? Like diapers, throw up. Like, there's, there's exactly zero percent chance.

that I don't like if we don't play a little back and forth at one point where like baby I'm changing baby diaper it has like some aftershocks and it poops on me and I throw up on the baby or like it pukes on me I puked back you know like you're a sympathetic puker you would you would absolutely puke there there yeah yeah there's not a chance in on God's beautiful green earth that I would I would make it through a baby phase without throwing up on the baby Yeah. Oh, my God. It's it is 100%. I just, you know, we have a doula too because there's zero percent. I just, if I can't get too far south of the equator, I'm just so nervous. I'm going to go down for the count. Like, don't do well with blood. Not a good trait for a room where people are giving birth. But the, the blood is the one thing I could handle. Um, the, the, the baby pupe, though, is going to, it's going to ruin me. And the blowout diaper. where they like come out like have you heard about this they like come up the back and it just like goes all the way up the kids back into the onesie you have to invest in some like nose plugs something like that we got some clothes pants yeah they're just very uncomfortable have you ever nose club oh it hurts anyways i'm i'm lucky enough uh because i have a because of the deviated septum and then a multitude of other things i have um not the greatest sense of smell yeah so i might be able to in that sense i could probably get away with more than the the average dad but the the

the puking is what's going to do me in i have a very keen sense of smell and so i just i know like i know it's going to happen no it's going to happen um i do want to but like this episode was this episode was good but compared to the first two and the last two it was kind of almost like a break in between but this one was just this one was just wild because of the the ghosts and the hallucinations. Yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. This is we're like, holy shit, because Jack and Pacey both catcher talking to the dead brother, and then they confront her

on it. Jack talks about how this is how it started with the mom. Yeah. And they just ignored it. Yeah. And that's what freaks past you out. He's like, oh, shit. Like, we got some real issues here. And then during the parent trap, after it happens, Mitch, which Mitch was kind of a dick in this episode, gets the mom's hopes up by dancing with her to their song. And then she's skipping with Jen down the road and catches him making out with, uh, Mrs. Kennedy.

Kennedy had to had to happen, had to be done. Um, he was botched city though. And so, you know, he just never. He hurt Randy Orton, and that was the end. Yeah. Well, and then, uh, Lodge City, USA, Mr. Kennedy. Yeah. That's not very often you get a Mr. Kennedy reference to, he didn't have too bad, a T&A run. That's Mr. Anderson. Yeah, I just, ACEs and eighths.

Yeah. I don't know, just that might be. This wasn't the same. Yeah. That might be my biggest, uh, like wrestling missed opportunity. Aces and eights could have been so cool. And they just, they made every. the wrong decision at every turn um since anyway um nothing like a tna breakdown that's going to get the

viewers come in that's going to get the youths in too especially especially the the cross between dawson's creek and t and a fans is huge there's so many massive massive stuff um but we also we also do get in this episode we uh um joey and dawson uh finally talk about uh kiss well then they get real they get they get real deep into the the sex talk too oh yeah that's awesome dawson thought the the french restaurant was gonna seal the deal or what is what does he say i i forgot i forgot joey says what did you think this was going to steal the deal and he said he goes i prefer and then he says something's fucking stupid i you know this is probably bad for us breaking down dawson's creek but every

time Dawson and Joey have a love scene I kind of tune out you know you can't trust it anymore they know I'm not gonna get him especially now I'm not fucking getting invested in Dawson and Joey anymore I'm done how dare how dare they get them back together get me jazzed up again it was the wedding it was for another three episodes three episodes again didn't even get one full episode just god and you know like damn it if you just if it's a will they won't they then just don't have them will they twice in two seasons and have it last less than 10 episodes total maybe less than eight episodes total it just uh just grinds my gears brandon i can't get invested in these people anymore freaking dawson and joey so ross and rachel i can tell you that

even though i'm not a big friends fan that's it i'm i actually that was a terrible reference but I mean it's sure good reference but my friend's knowledge is halfway through season one I give up every time I think I've made it through season two but I just dude I not chance is it Chandler not Chandler

Ross it's like Ross is just I can't do it I just I hate his character to my core and I just can't deal with him and I don't find him humorous and there's too many episodes that focus on him yeah that's fair i my my friends knowledge is very deep because when i was growing up that

was like all we talked about this me and my sister watched yeah um so i've i've won my fair share of uh friends themed trivia nights yeah um but i have not watched it forever and every time i go back to rewatch it i'm like oh this is this is tough um there ross has like four funny parts throughout the whole entire show um the christmas uh christmas armadillo is fantastic christmas armadillo the pivot it's good there's the the after thanksgiving episode where he brings a sandwich to work and somebody eats it and he gets fucking i think they i think they put him on a sabbatical because he gets so angry he's not wrong though in that episode no he was 100% right um I don't like that episode because he takes it too far and I'm like, God, dude, like I get it.

I think it was his boss that stole it. And he like screams at his boss. Yeah. And yeah, they put, they put him on sabbatical and then I think they give him like anti to or they give him like X or something and he's to fucking chill him out. But anyways, so let's move on to the next episode because this is another fucking banger. Well, reunited before we move ahead. this was the reunited and it feels so good i see this is the b-n-l uh the b-n-l episode bare naked

nice do you remember what song if i had a million dollars if i had a million dollars i don't mean you think that sounds like i'll buy you a green dress but not a real green dress that's cruel that's not the words yeah it is yeah it is i guarantee i just listen to the song with kelly it's on my basement mix i don't believe you it's one of my favorite lines of the song because it's funny it's like what's their beef with green dresses you know what's so cruel about it you're right though because now the because the first section is uh fur coat fur coat but not a real fur coat that's cruel yeah so they needed they need they had to feel that that's cruel part what else you're gonna feel it with besides green dress haven't you always wanted a monkey okay that that

That sounds so good. It's such a banger. That was not the song that played. Oh, I know. I just wanted an excuse to talk about that song. I listened to it, Kelly, in the car, when we were driving to Grand Junction. But I was firing it off. Poor her, you know.

I was like, I preface did actually. I was like, hey, I made a list. It's going to feel like a lot. But it's actually really good. I just need you to be open to it. The great way to start off a road trip playlist is like, hey. I, the way I described it and she thought it was, it is, it is 85% 933 from 1990 to 2005. That's like 85% of the songs on this playlist.

Yeah. I said it's not going to be. And then the other 15%. You know what song popped in my head the other day. Somebody, I was talking to somebody at work because we were talking to, you might not know this because this is real like inside Denver music scene but it was

they played on 933 it was like 2009 2008-ish um you heard a single file no they were a um Denver band

Denver like you know pop punk band um and they had a song called zombies ate my neighbors And it's in the same vein of Like the Bear Naked Ladies

You know joke fucking song But that song They were actually They actually went to Not my high school But the high school In the high school in the same city As me

I think they went to Stanley Lake high school But That song played on 933 For like three years straight Nice And it was It's just Like the first

first time you heard it you're like this song's pretty sick i'll listen to this and then two months in you're like what stop playing the fucking song yeah it's like the um you and me baby ain't nothing but ma'am also that's that's that's a straight banger that's a straight banger uh anyways episode 21 brandon single single file zombie zombies eight my neighbors go go check that out um shout out so anyways episode 21 I forget what this one's called. I forgot to keep jotting these down. It's a Chich Chich Changes.

Come and face the... What is it? Come and face the change. Is that what they say? Chachan changes. Do you know? I think we talked about this before. I can't think...

I was like, how I know that song and then I don't know. Anything other than Chich Ch Changes. It's coming. Face. the is i think it's world or something come and thing to change that's one of those i think we've talked about it before i have no problem as like a 90s kid growing up just not knowing the lyrics unless they were in the cd case um i have no problem even those you can trust people mess those up

all the time too i have no issue just going on vibes if i turn and face the strain wow That makes, I mean, that's deep, right? The strain of change. Don't want to be a richer man. Turn and face the strange changes. Then don't want to be a richer man. I'm going to hit you again with turn and face a strain. And then the end of the second one is just going to have to be a different man.

Hmm. I don't know if that makes sense, man. Good old Bowie. Yeah. But so episode 21, Jack. calls they they had they had to have played that song in this episode they didn't they didn't which is crazy but uh but jack calls pops because he needs backup dude like crazy mom sister going down the same path he's coming out like that's a lot of stuff happening like jack needed backup

and this dude just get his fucking act together and dad sucks like we can't like dad sucks and like It's a bummer for Jack because he needed backup. There's only one person to call. It's not the Ghostbusters, unfortunately. It's his deadbeat dad. Honestly, Ghostbusters wouldn't be a bad call. They would have done a fantastic job. They would have quickly been able to identify if the people Andy was talking to were real.

But it's just a bummer that Jack called. And so, like, Mr. McPhee is just a total dick about everything, probably, not the wrong choice to like i mean it's it's a lose lose right because they moved he stayed in providence he refuses to sell this family business and moved to cape side so he's like all right we gave this a shot it didn't we just what kind of business it was no we just it's just business brandon mr business yeah it's called uh it's called capitalism he's look it up mr business i think is uh linda's sister's cat and bob spurgers oh yeah yeah when he runs away in the snowstorm and bob is mr business uh anyways um but yeah so mr mcfee just being a a dick um you know

the whole time but he's taking andy and mom back he thinks it's the best idea i talk to andy's in moms doctors from providence and they're like you got to bring them back they need much more attention than what they can get here and it's too much for jack to deal with um and then dad doubles down on being a dick to jack and is like and we can also get you help for your problem it's like ooh dad yikes not a good place to go there am i right um you think you're second conversion therapy that's what it felt like though i mean he was i don't know they i mean that was a very hot button topic though i feel like at that time like is it a choice like you know what i mean like at the time that was something that they were still trying to figure out what was

like proper societal nomenclature i feel like but his dad handled it terribly and jack he ends up being like you know what just going to stay here because and he's not wrong right like jack's like i'm going to stay here because you're just going to be the worst and i there's no point me dealing with you being the worst they kept saying there's like two weeks left of school yeah like let him just figure it out i do think andy makes the right call and going because she needs she needs more like she's kind of going going you know off the deep end a bit and she's going she's headed jack called it out right like she was headed towards mom's path of no return unless we get help and she needed some deeper help than what she was going to be able to get in cape side um and i also enjoyed that her and pacey you know did one last night out on the town mostly because did you see pacey's shirt for their date i don't remember no oh it was a silk batty of his shirt do you remember when silk shirts like long sleeve shirts had a gentle kind of back at one point no uh one time i have my parents get i was really little though because new kids

on the block were still very popular and i have my parents get me a silk shirt totally jazzed about it i see it now yeah i don't collect that i can't believe it's like hunter forest hunter forest green with like flower patterns on it looks like your grandma's old curtains um but i do have to say it like my I had a silk shirt and there was a new kids on the block concert that we had where Jordan night had his shirt on button open and I knew all the moves and words and my mom came out to me I'll never forget this moment because I was just in the depths of putting on a new kids on the block concert almost blacked out and forgot my mom was there and she comes into the living room and I'm silk shirt Jordan night with the buttons open really getting into it and she

she really roasted me a little bit for that and it was worth it because it was fantastic crushed it i did i think i did it ran upstairs and did a quick wardrobe change for it she's like he michael did you put your silk shirt on for this because it's kind of expensive you know yeah yeah it's like so the silk shirt is not met for new kids on the block concerts at like one a m on a tuesday you know says in preschool um anyways anyways what were we talking about again um i had a theo von moment there and he's going to the looney ben yeah damn it brandon don't say it like that you can get us canceled twice in this episode i'm gonna cut out those the first one yeah i got i got too heated i shouldn't seen red yeah it's anyway

so so so so this outside of the whole pacey and andy piece of them going back and forth, having their final date. It's where they go to where they had their first dance. We also get Jack convincing Jen to stay. She was going to book it to New York, even though she called her mom. And her mom's like, nope. And her dad's like, walked in on you, banging a rando in my room, not coming back here, which that's not, that's a bit too far for dad, I think.

But anyway. Yeah, her parents were. not good parents what they said what what she say when she's telling jack she was like uh my dad was he was still recovering from the last time i was there yep and then he was like uh then she was like then they got mad to me because they thought i was just trying to get more money out of them yeah that was wild response like what you want more um allowance money speaking um speaking of wild responses uh to go back to indy and dad um andy had a couple great one-liners with uh when the dad showed up like uh um she shows up and she's like what are you doing here or whatever

and he goes uh he's all andy this is really serious and she snaps back and she's like exactly so why are you here oh my god um yeah it was it was man that was a wild it was a good prelude because then we also get dawson like this is a a prelude as well because dawson is like trying to find someone that shows great character growth and to write his final paper on them and he's going to do it about um Joey's dad well and he he at first he tries to do it on every single kid that he knows yeah and they all tell them to fuck off basically yeah jennett i love jen's response to that because dawson was like uh like i want i want you to tell me because it was like a it was a redemption arc is what he was trying to

compare it to and jen was like oh yeah sure let me just uh you know spill all of my my deepest dark secrets uh on camera for your fucking school project you idiot yeah um bar for bar brandon that's exactly what she said yeah and then uh and then joe and she then he goes to joey and joey's like uh joey's like you already made a movie about my life without my permission i might have yeah that was a great point by her as well and then dawson doing manual labor goes exactly how you think dawson doing manual labor he he built what like one uh one panel of a fraction of a section of a fucking white picket fence and it took them all night in like but i just i mean i i i'm not handy at all either i don't i

you know this is uh people in glass houses thrown stones over here but i mean i'm not the most handy but like i've had to do all of the things dawson did uh with people screaming at me you know the entire time like i i'm not a handy man but i like my uncle jeff i can't repeat the things that he would say to me but one time i accidentally grabbed like the wrong type of wrench because it was like a random fucking wrench that i didn't know and boy he just he'd be like you dumb fucking motherfucker i sure plucked that fucking moron out when i picked you for this fucking job and i'd be like sorry jaff here's your correct wrench and guess what i never did again after that though

never gave that dude the wrong wrench he's my favorite he's he's like you're like i don't know something like that guy screaming at me in college is everything i needed when i was in college like i needed someone to honestly tell me what a fuck a moron i was because like that poor guy i would come in and i would smell like i would smell more like windsor than person at six a m on a wednesday you know or third like thursday mornings after windsor wednesday they sometimes he would make me go stay like he'd be like no you're not inside today i'm gonna throw up smelling you because it was after golf league so he'd had a few too and he'd be like no go out go clean whatever because he's like go work it off so i'd go sweat it

out you know i deserved everything i got yeah yeah so anyways dawson doing manual labor but this is right i'm i think i miss the whole dawson catching joey's dad with the cocaine like did that happen at the end of this episode or the beginning of the next one it's the end of the this one because he walks in to like it's after he's built the fence i think he's like returning a tool or something yeah the ice house and he goes into like the back area where they're doing all the construction and in the disc like in the the room he sees uh um the dude giving him just did you see this at all because it was no no because i i was so big the biggest like a Ziploc bag of cocaine

you would ever like three bricks of cocaine in like a gallon bag it wasn't even it wasn't it was it wasn't even brick for him it was loose powder in a Ziploc bag oh god damn dude they just like dumped anyways that's hilarious it's I mean he had it

when he opened up was like pulled those baggies out of the book bag to flush him yeah so that was a lot of coke you notice how none of it was in brick for it. It was all loose just in the bags. It's just like weird little bags too. Well, there was the one

of the bigger ones in there. That's the one that Dawson. He pulled up. Oh my God. So big. I was just loose loose powder when he did like the 10 panel or eight panel white picket fence that still had like

you know the whole thing to go. I was like this what the fuck is. There's other romantic gestures you're going to make that there they're she did she did make a she made joey made a very um you know direct and obvious point where she was like um i find handy men to be the sexiest people in the entire world and dawson was like oh fuck i mean it's it's not wrong it's not wrong the three times a year that i do like real stuff with my hands kelly

loves it see i uh i get where they're coming from because when i when i see when i see a hot lady you know just like put put you putting together ikea furniture dude i'm all i thought you were going to go a different direction and i was like oh here comes strike three with us getting canceled what did you think i was going to say i don't want to say i thought you're going to go that you're going to go sandwich artists and start describing someone i was like jesus brandon don't do it don't shan gillis us again okay that was not where i was going that would have been that would have been an all-time pull though it had been who that would have been like so good and edgy that we almost wouldn't

have been able to get it out it's like you know i just love seeing she pulls out that butter knife from the drawer two slices no i that is tomato onion i i i enjoy seeing mayo and mustard sorry sorry i enjoy seeing ladies do handiwork too or you know how they got in transformers or any car oh yeah when they have the hot lady as a mechanic dude hot lady mechanic my kryptonite i'm all in there's like have you do you see that it's like a tic tock or an instagram where like the younger brother was watching transformers for the first time and he just like sat up right really quick when the megam box scene came on and his older brother was like recording him he's like oh think we just found a new

interest yeah dude hot landing mechanic that's what it's at um anyways i know i know negative information about cars yeah so same same i don't know i'm terrible with all that stuff but I do have to like this this episode was just wild too but to have two 17 year olds just on their own in Cape side I guess you can do that right isn't it is 17 you can do like a it's not a declaration of independence but it's all my brain to think of um is it emancipation yes yes emancipation I almost want annex I was like you annex yourself from your parents but that's wrong too emancipation because a lot of celebrity children do that once they realize their parents are stealing from them that's not

what they're doing though they're not he jack didn't get emancipated no no but like it's wild that there's two 17 year olds just taking care of themselves probably in the cards though for jack yeah j jim probably wouldn't hurt from from doing that as well although i mean at that point that's that just it would just be legally like you might as well just fucking weighed it out save yourself some lawyer bills waited out till to turn 18 that's true they're they're alone in the McPhee house

just the two of them just chilling yeah yeah but uh but so so then are you do you have anything else to say for cha cha cha cha cha change is you know that reminds me to the chat chatter little Polly Shore I am

chat ched chat ched cheddar so Andy Andy yeah Andy leaves Jen moves in with Jack pace he's not doing well with the andy departure no no as as one would is a 17 year old boy struggling first love she gets him like he's feeling good about himself and then you know she just gets triggered by all these crazy things happening in cape side and you know they got to get her out of

there yeah i think that's that covers that to because then then we move into oh and And then all throughout this season finale is wild. And we haven't even touched on. Gail might move to Philadelphia. She gets a job offer. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was an earlier episode. I thought I mentioned that. I have that in my notes. Yeah, Gail gets the job offer from Philly. She's hesitant because that isn't that, is that the episode where she's trying to win him back or the episode before? She tries to win him back. I think she gets the news at the, the beginning of the funeral episode that's when she drops it on dawson but that funeral episode's

so wild that it just gets lost in the sauce you know so on the dinner one is when she's talking to jenn and jenn is like you should you know are you trying to get back with mitch um and she's like i'm just like waiting for a sign and that's when they do the parent trap thing yeah and then she's and at the end of that episode she's talking with mitch about possibly moving to philly and mitch is being a fucking you know an idiot and he's trying to get her to stay when he's like trying to guilt tripper he's like is that the best for

you're being real selfish is that the best thing for Dawson um and it's like motherfucker you have not thought about Dawson one god damn second since you found out that you uh could you're getting cheated on yeah he could sheath your sword and the company ink sorry that was dumb um What was I going to say?

Because it's, dip your pen in the company. Yeah, it doesn't matter. She's your sword in the company. I was trying. I mixed him up on accident. I was going there. It was a mess. Just ignored us saying.

I mixed them up together in my head while I was saying it out loud. Well, they want's useful. Yeah, exactly. But so. He, oh, so, oh my God. So Pacey and his dad literally kick off this episode with his dad bitch slapping Pacey. Well, now he doesn't. he doesn't bitch slap him told is that in the middle of that episode oh damn it but they're at the beginning

they're in the car and he's like um well he's such a dick that pacey and pacie's feeling bad and his dad makes a crack about andy right or is that the bitch slap one no that's what he that's what at the end when he punches his dad he's he bad mouth sandy throughout the whole entire episode the the car though he like grabs um pacy's arm and like holds him yeah and then he and then he took and then he like you better not fuck up these uh oh yeah that's exactly finals and he's like you know would it kill you to like give me some positive advice and his dad does the all i'm positive that you're a fucking bitch yeah that you're a moron you're the dumbest fucking kid i've ever encountered in this town and then pace he just throws the waves the white flag doesn't even open up the test

yeah yeah what is what is when we get to the bitch slap fight that's when he's like uh he's He's talking to him, and he's like, Mr. Milo, who's the counselor, and then it was given the names. He's like, you didn't even write the first word on either of the test. He didn't even open the book. It's rough stuff. It's rough stuff. And then we got freaking. It's a bold strategy.

It's not going to get you far. But then we get freaking Dawson, who I think Dawson, Dawson, Dawson, confronting Joey to have her go to the cops to rat on her dad seems I don't know he went he he went too far what he should have done um he should a and I'm surprised his parents told him to I'm surprised his parents were like you need to fucking rat him like go to the cops because if I was his parents I would have been like what you do is you you tell joey and then you don't say anything ever again and you stay out of it yeah i mean stay the fuck out of it because now now he's the reason he did it though

is because he and you got to remember it's dawson right so he's gonna take it to the most extreme but he had the he had the most pretentious line ever in this episode i almost threw up he but like he he saw as they almost they could have died in the fire and her dad wasn't going to do the right thing and so he saw it as i'm the hero i'm going to save them from drug dealers trying to burn the house down do you remember his quote uh fuck what is i let me see if i can look it up because um db because it's it's right after the fire after he um you know pulls uh what's his name out the Mr. Potter Yeah

and he's like talking to Mr. Potter and then Joey comes up and she's like after she got seen by the the EMTs and the paramedics she's like they want to see the hero next and he's like no no I'm not a hero and her dad's like Dawson don't be

oh that's don't be some some tragedies are too foregone to be to have it to have a hero or some shit like that yeah let me see if i can pull up the next one but yeah when he was like yeah when he said that i almost threw up was yeah because he said something about the tragedies like some some tragedies are to or some moments are too tragic to have a hero

something like along those lines but um yeah and then some situations are too tragic to have a hero go fuck yourself and that when her dad started flushing the drugs i was like oh he had a lot a lot more than i was expecting like i was some heavy weight for cocaine and cape side you know yeah that's some weight dude like what are they doing at their bars yeah that was wild that wedding would have been lit if he would have been catering more than just the food you know what i mean he probably was might have been just in their snuff boxes do you remember when people did snuff it's like when you snort tobacco like rich ladies used to used to do snuff because smoking was unbecoming,

so they would have little snuff boxes and snuff their tobacco, fun fact. I forgot it was... Would not recommend it. One of my D-Gen friends did it for a little bit, and I was like, dude, this feels like a recipe for a deeper problem, and he is struggling at the moment, so it was.

It really was. If you ever find someone doing snuff, like, even if they're fun and a good person and your friend, they probably need deeper help. Yeah, just do Zen's like a normal person. Yeah, yeah, right. Anyways, that's different. Little alcohol enema.

Those are always fun. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. So anyways, and then, yeah, so when, when, wait, where were we at? Yeah, and then. But that's, that's what he should have done. He went, he went too hard into trying to be the hero. He should have just told Joey.

He should have been like, hey, Joey. full disclosure i saw your dad handling a big fucking bag of white powder i'm not going to do anything with it but i'm not going to force you to do anything yeah i just want you to her hand yeah he's like i should have been just i just want you to know like i'm not going to dime anybody out i'm not going to do anything i just want you to know um like you're you're going to die if we don't like they tried to burn your like kill us they didn't care if we all died in that house fire or restaurant fire but him

pushing like like like being like so if you don't go like because that's what it felt like right like if you don't go to the cops i will yeah that's exactly what it was yeah yeah and yeah and it just and just couldn't believe that he had the yeah and then he like went until i'm not telling my parents like i don't know maybe that's just me i'm not going to like be like mom dad just saw a mr potter with a mountain of cocaine no you know like it's that's that's anyways that was wild that he did that but anyways and then this is and then after some of that is when because his dad they he smacks the shit out of pacey um because he gets mad about pacey hanging around mr potter a known felon yeah i loved how he walked and for confronting him about

bailey on the finals he walks into the ice house uh pacy's dad and nobody's nobody's there's no music, nobody's saying a word, they're all buried in textbooks. And he walks up to the table and he goes, what the hell's going on here? It's suspicious, Brandon. Yeah. Pacey had a great remark. Do you remember what he said?

No. He's like, well, we're signing a peace treaty. Or something like, he says something like that. I don't know if it's peace treaty. He's like, yeah, we're signing fucking stuff. But yeah, yeah, then they have a And then he goes outside, they have the argument. He, he slaps them.

And then the fire bomb hits. Yep. The old, was it a Molotov cocktails? Is that what they threw in there? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Classy move. Dude. And then do you like what Pacey said to his dad when he's like, even if Mr. Potter is involved in selling drugs, he's a better dad than you? Yeah. Well, because so then after they get everybody out and they're like, investigating the fire um he's in there with his dad and then there's like a couple um i guess crime scene guys behind him and his dad's just being a his dad's like showing off and being a monster

making fun of his screw loose girlfriend dude and he goes he says like uh he's like you don't think mr potter was involved in this and his dad is like oh what are you so fucking stupid yeah uh what does he say he says uh he says uh if god didn't bless you with my good look because i wouldn't know you were my son or something like that yeah yeah and then he's yeah and then he called yeah he's like screw loose girlfriend um finally got some balls um just every every insult he's only doing it because the fucking the c s i guys are there he's trying to like show off to him yeah um and then yeah and then pace he punches him right in the face and joey's dad had a chance to like get like but he quadrupled down nope i promise i haven't

done shit yeah because after dawson tells joey joey goes uh up or no i think it was before even dawson tells her joey joe because joey has like a little suspicion because i mean yeah because the dad like she's like dad why is it police taped oh yeah why is a fire at police tape but that's normal that's normal that's normal yeah but that's what she said but yeah she's a little skeptical because it's you know and the questions the police were asking her too um and so yeah she's like I need you to look me in the eye you know dumb swear to God all that kind of stuff

and yeah he fucking doubles down yeah crazy yeah can't trust this guy dude but she does end up going to the cops and that's when you know they are trying to get her to snitch on old pops yeah

I did love how she's in there she's in there with um dawson and his parents and then uh um mr uh mr whitter and he's like what is he he says something he's like i need you to help me get proof on your den and she she says something like oh you don't even you don't have any fucking proof what the fuck am i doing here then yeah you don't you don't have any proof and yeah i mean as they've got him on a parole violation more than anything like i don't know if anything that's how they always get you yeah it's it's still pretty loose but they'll be able to

especially at that time it would have been a parole violation but anyways um yeah because she didn't need to rat it doesn't matter like it feels like she didn't need to rat on her dad like that like you know yeah maybe that's tough because like they almost died they're not gonna help the relationship yeah but also like he's not gonna do anything like he's not feeling it's not feeling like he's going to do anything to change at this point yeah yeah any double any way for me once he yeah i mean he went bigger he's like listen this restaurant was doing okay when i was funneling marijuana through it imagine the numbers we're going to do when i get it would get all this cocaine through here especially if you're catering yeah dude

catering on top they're going to be able to fund like a full catering business on top of the restaurant I say they were building like a stage, right? They were going to have a lot of music too. Yep, yep. You know who loves cocaine musicians. And then we get Jen and Grams. They have a reconciliation. And then Graham's also, you know, she is not one to cast the first stone or cast someone out.

So she brings Jack into the fold. Going to clean out Gramp's room and have Jack, you know, jump in there. Yeah. because because uh the mr mcfee the dad let him stay um and they're they're staying at the house right now but he also is trying to sell that so he's like you can stay there as long until i sell it and then then it's sober you got to figure something else out um so yeah but that was that that that'll tee up for next season that we got jack and jenn with grahms um and then pacey's dad shockingly so we have sorry to interrupt you but yeah jack and jack and jack and jack and

and Jen with Grahams. So we have Jack. Andy's gone though. Andy's just Andy's in the Looney bin, the Looney Farm. Jesus Brandon. Is that what they call it? Well, I guess I think that there's like, you know, probably more PC but at this point, this episode has gone way off the rails of PCness from you. So like PC principal offended everyone else probably fine. I just watched the PC principal episodes. Woo, woo, woo, so good, dude. Or when Stan's dad is hung over at the kitchen table and he's like, sorry, we're just sticking up for marginalized individuals. And yes, there were refreshments provided.

And then he like starts throwing up on himself. It's fantastic. It's Stan's dad in the later seasons is character development like at its finest. Like, it's just really good stuff. So anyways, but Pacey's dad also some good character development. He comes to apologize. He got a phone call from Andy. And this made me laugh.

He's like, you know, she's kind of chatty. Oh, that really cracked me up. And he says, good job for punching me. I deserved it. And he apologized for saying all those things about her without knowing who she was. She told him that Pacey's, was her hero Brandon and from that old

bastard that felt really good you know and he called the school got makeup finals for next week because Pacey was in mourning from the love of his life and then he gets a real hug from his old dad and you know just a real moment

between Pacey and a real son of a bitch of a father I just hate dude Pacey's dad really got me dude there was no reason for that guy to be that shitty to his son. No. That just,

that really pissed me off. Like he was just a dick for the sake of being a dick and a drunk, old drunk dick cop guy like that. Come on, Pacey's dad. Just be nice. He caught, he won the fishing competition and you were a jackass to him.

That just got, that got me, Brandon. That grinds my gears still. It's like, dude, he did everything you wanted him to do and you couldn't even give him a simple, hey, great job with that fish,

man. Things are pulling that fucker in. in and winning the competition for us but whatever it's fine that guy's sex even with his apology is still sex his apology is fine but he's still sex um i will have to say this scene with joey when her dad her and her dad were crying and i don't know what it is about this show and the emotional moments that just they they do not get me they do not they do not reel me in with the emotional moments that the single one you know it's because they didn't play the Sarah McLaughlin songs. Oh, it's only that was a that's a missed opportunity. The soundtrack was

definitely in the background of this episode, but my God. I still can't believe they played that song three fucking three different times in the season one finale. And we didn't we had no Ed, no Ed McCain either. That would have been that hit home my when I did look at the beginning of the this episode though when they're watching. What are they watching? I forget what movie they're watching but joey's joey tells dawson she's like um i shall fifer was in it wasn't she it was like a it was a tragedy tragic love story instead of yeah because because joey goes i like i like those she goes i like those stories better when they don't end up together yeah foreshadowing there too yeah um but like when joey starts slowly lifting up her shirt to show the

wire when that wire was i was like oh oh my god joey ratting on her dad like that's traumatic dude and then bessie with the kiddo like when when he comes up and she just like turns away from him dramatically it's like i turned my back on you dad i trusted you papa i trusted you the scene uh in the last the scene in this episode um when he comes out of the fight when they get everybody out of the fire and Bessie and Joey go up and they hug the dad and Bessie's holding the baby. 1,000% that was a sack of flower, uh, dressed up as a baby. There's like the way, the way like the blanket and every and the hat they have was like like

like laid. It's like there's not there's no way that's a real baby. That's a that's a that's a bag of flower right there. And I wrote down what Joey says to Dawson at the end. end because I thought it was good because Dawson comes up and and he's like how are you feeling like thinking that they're just going to be able to move on and fall in love and she was like listen you probably did the right thing you know but I thought she crushed it and she was like I hope one day that I'll be able to forgive my father for this I don't know if I'll ever be able to forgive

myself for this but I know that I will never be able to forgive you there are certain circumstances that love cannot overcome from now on i don't want to know you that's a so that's a dagger this is like didn't just break up they did like a super breakup yeah she doesn't want to she doesn't want to know him anymore yeah this is a finishing move breakup like this is because i mean dawson basically game for an ultimatum to go snitch on her fucking dad that was crazy i still didn't see it coming like when she exposed that wire i think i said it before that was

set ralins faking the injury because i'm a mark like for sure i i eat that shit up then and i was just like oh my god chelmy jellie you're dad i'm gonna start uh doing all my breakups like that too i don't even want to know you anymore I mean that is how I have always I like did whether it was them or me that's how that's how I treat them um you know post post breakup is but you know we just we never talk again but I I feel like I need to set sane you know I just can't believe that we got that's actually not true I do I talk to quite a few of my exes oh that's wild I'm not capable I mean I'm not I'm not like I'm not like you know so I'm friendly with them you know I'm not like not a dick. It's more like a, you know, every, you know, every two years, I remember it's their birthday. And I'm like, oh, happy birthday.

Nice. But yeah, I just, I can't believe that like more than you. What? What did you say? Were you inappropriate again, Brandon? Are we getting canceled for the fifth time? No, I said that's more than you can say. Oh, no.

Yeah. Once we're done, we're done. I mean, everybody's birthday. Oh, Brandon. you are at fault 110% about your whole birthday shenanigans on on my birthday you're going to tell me i'm 100% of fault your birthday was it's two months ago jackass oh my god you're the worst the problem you know what your problem is now now i'm going to be a total dick about it like i'm just going to be like i'm going to make a big say maybe i'll do like a post or so i don't

know maybe not a post but i'm going to do something brandon i'm going to do something to like I thought you said, uh, I don't know why, but at first I thought you said poster and like, I didn't even like social media didn't even cross my mind at all. I thought you were, you know, like, like make a poster like a like a to hang on my wall like a poster. That's not a bad idea. This is not a bad idea like a cake eater's birthday poster. I'm going to do something.

I'm going to do something for your birthday, but I honestly, I would love it if you did like a social media. You know how like people do it for like their significant of significant others if you did if you if you did a significant other esk social media post for me yeah i would love it yeah oh my god that's it like it wouldn't it wouldn't it would be obnoxious it would be hey everyone i just want to take this moment out of my day to celebrate one of the one of the greatest people in the world kind caring loving you know always there with a shoulder to cry on and then you post post a photo of of us with a bunch of people and then you know what i would respond to that with

he's nightmare blunt rotation brin and anyways i just man dawson and joey they're back and gone again and this again three three episodes and then this time they this time they they they just they want scorched earth she doesn't even want to know him well i mean dude how do you how do you recover from boyfriend strong arming you into snitching on your dad and sending him back to the slammer you know what you got to do what you got to return the favor you got to frame his dad and then get him to snitch on his dad oh god damn damn it's insane what a finale to dawson's creek i my god season two season two

season two season two what a five episode run to end it that was all I thought of when it went wrapped as like my god that was to start to start with Abby's death what and then Jen

popping off at the funeral was crazy and then Andy literally going crazy like oh my god dude you gotta stop saying Norden it was so good though I just this show my god no wonder it was a cultural phenomenon

it was just like dude creak heads unite this show was fantastic what is what is season two during there was a couple was it the last episodes or the episodes before they weren't terrible but they weren't great it was the the second

batch was a little dull yeah I just and then it just piss because were those the one might have been the third batch was the second or the third whatever i remember just being so annoyed with it was it was the last it was the last batch last batch was a little dull because the batch before the second batch had the um oh just chaos purity test and yeah the yeah coming out and like everything the teacher spitting on like craziness but man these last five

they took us home like i said it before but there was like three of the five episodes could have been the season finale yeah they could have ended it on that Yeah, it ended after the first episode with Abby's death and just left us on that cliphanger. I can't, yeah, I can't believe I forgot it was, it was this suit. I could have sworn it was way later in the. And the people on TikTok were like, oh, Abby, just wait. And I was like, oh, my God, she gets worse. And so I'm just waiting for Abby to really go off the rails.

Did not expect her to die. I just, I never, ever would have expected Abby to die. I never would have expected Jen to, like. go through that kind of like trauma of trying to save her I never would have imagined that they show them just zipping up the body bag with their fucking face in it who my goodness they don't do that anymore now they just zip up the body bag they just they let it they showed the body there they lingered on the face a little bit yeah yeah so anyways it's just one one of five episode run what a kicker to end on Joey narking on her dad sending him back to the pen My God, what a journey. What a journey season two was, Brandon. Can you believe that we're done? Yeah.

Season two wrapped up. Do you have a, do you have a cakey rating for the whole season? The whole season? That's hard. Do you remember what you gave season one? What was 4.8 something? Yeah, 4.84 is what you gave season 1.4. This one not as good, but still fantastic.

Not as good. I thought I mean the ending of this I think is way better than the ending of this is I don't dude Brandon I that and they killed they killed them I listen I know but Jen killed that there's Jesus Christ Jen to leave Jen alone dude you need to leave gentle love but like that I've said it a million times that that final episode when Edmund Edwin McCain is playing and freaking Joey to play I tell people this, I bring this up, whenever Dawson's Creek comes up, and I bring it up all the time now. But whenever it comes up, I always tell people that, that they played the Sarah McLaughlin song three different fucking times in one episode. Three different times.

Right. Just the gall to do that is unbelievable. I think that I would say 4.82. 4.82, okay. Yeah. Yeah. because it was just just shy just just just shy a few too many episodes this round you know what i mean like they could actually we had we had almost double yeah so they could have trim the fat there

and i thought that they could have gone uh but that's season and i'm a big like personal preference i'm a weirdo i love season ones of shows like the shitty pilots some of the shitty pilot seasons i'm all in for okay you know like i love a good season one and when you really nail a seat like community nailed their season one i love that i love when a show nails season one and it's not just like you know the office is one where it's good but it gets so much better in season two same thing with parks and wreck not a bad season one but season two is so much better um but like if you really nail it like dawson's did i'm all in chuck nailed season one psych nailed season one i thought you know i love psych season one really psych season one i don't mind it's all good but i think it definitely gets better psych from like three

to five that's like the sweet spot that's it is but i'm a sucker for psych season one because it's also like like the whole story of sean becoming what he is is so good and the thing that always throws me with with Sykes, Season 1 is the fashion. No. So good. The sunglasses they all wear is like so, like such like 2002 or whatever, whatever it came out. It's those like,

it's like the $5 gas station glasses you could buy back then. Yeah. They all look so fucking weird. And like the fashion is so like 2002 that it like throws me off. I'm like, the wire season one. I love season one of the wire. Fantastic.

So the beepers and pay phones. Like my God. what what relics of of a lost time but um anyways well brandon um wow what a five episode journey oh shit you're a cakey rating sorry sorry what it's like i'm not even here he well i mean no one gives a shit about your opinion that's it's killing me man killing me so i'm sorry sorry so i gave uh do you remember what i gave season long of course not I gave it a 4.1 4.1 yeah

I think this season is slightly better just because they kill Abby I can't believe they killed Abby they kill Abby Andy Andy starts seeing hallucinations

the whole thing with her when the story the first storyline drops of her mom that shit's wild yeah the purity test like like we said there's that there's a couple there's like a three four episode stretch where it kind of dulls um in the middle so like you said they could have trimmed the fat a little bit there

yeah but i think the highs of this season are so so fucking high like you like you said it a million times when they do something they do it they don't all jack jack coming out too that whole thing yeah no punches were told this season the titanic recreation yeah um yeah it was absolutely the most chaotic we're going to go all the like they put their chips all the way in with each hand it was wild and they they did the like the the double tease of dawson joey is wild oh my god yeah that was that was wild so wait what was your rating what did you say so my my season one rating was 4.1 i think this one's slightly better so i'm going to give it a 4.25 okay okay solid yeah so just a little bit better 4.25 in in the brand in brand your uh your rating is much like that's a that's a crazy high score yeah for on the brandon that's you're like you're like dave portnoy with his pizza ratings the first time i watched it and he was like seven seven good rating i was like it doesn't feel very good like a seven seven sounds a fantastic

yeah so see what's going off the the the western academic scale he which we we know how that works out that's yeah anyways what a what a show what a season what a journey with dawson's it's fantastic i just this show is so good it's it's fantastic we will we'll do season three um but we're going to take a break for for a little bit we'll do it we'll do it later on what i have planned next teeth um for the next couple episodes is uh movies i hate we're getting back no no no no this is going to be great it's going to be a great three three episode stretch okay um we're going to do wet hot american summer oh nice who's in that a Connie oh Connie yeah yeah so we're going to do the the movie and then the two

miniseries tv miniseries that they do because they have they have the original movie then they do the first day of camp and then they do 10 years later so we're going to do all three I'm in for the first movie I'm cautious about you ever watched Did you ever watch them? They're great. They're great. Are they? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. All right. I'll take your word for it. Well, cool. That sounds like fun. What a journey, Brandon? I believe I want to say they're, all three of them are on Netflix.

So it should be easy to watch. Nice. But yeah, so that's what's coming up next. Yeah, Dawson's Creek season two are combined. If you average our ratings, it's a 4.54. Nice. Which is slightly, we gave season one for our average was 4.4. seven so slightly better um it's just yeah it was a wild ride um i don't think i fully

processed all of what happens in these five episodes because it's just so much it's a lot i was they literally they kill abby they kill abby freaking joey rats on her dad couldn't believe that which like i like killing that i could have sworn abby dying happened so much later and like So even though I knew it happened, it jumping up on me this quick threw me for a shock. And the way she dies, too, it's like, oh shit, that's a, that's a death. That's a brutal way to go. Yeah. It's a very abbey way to go.

She still sucked. Like ding down the witch is dead. You know, I'm going to be. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh, I'm going to be. Thank you.