The Cake Eaters - 128. Dawson's Creek Season 3: Episodes 6-10

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Creek Heads Unite! The boys continue tackling Season 3 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 6-10. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, putting Pacey/Andie behind us, drag queens, dead mom proposals, witches, sex pacts, Jen's family, gay bars, and college tours.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win. Intro. We're going to compare and contrast, Brandon. So we have the old theme song, which I just have to pull up real quick. Oh, wait. It keeps pulling up. I don't want to wait. Damn it.

Brandon, we might have to just cut this out real quick. You just had it. What happened? I know. I accidentally hit the song. I thought I hit the lyrics to the other one. I apologize. It's in my head.

My hand is in the clouds. A feeder have left the ground. Life is turning around and round. Every voice inside my head is telling me to run like a cat. Stars and sunsets. Hey, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah. Bows and arrows, stars and sunsets.

Hey, hey, hey, yeah. So I apologize for my technical illiteracy as we are gearing up into that. It's like I've never used a fucking laptop before. Okay, so there's that one. That one was written specifically for when they lost, like, the licensing, I think, for the other song or whatever. And so, so that's not bad. Like, it's not a bad. It was written, like, especially for it.

but there's just something about when you start to hear that. So open up your morning line and say a little prayer for a, you know that if we are to stay alive and see the peace in every eye. Brandon, I don't want to wave. It is it is so good that freaking when they start to when you hear those do do do's you know my god it just gets me fired up Brandon it really does I fucking love this show like Creekhead for life and these were I don't know I this I feel like episode six was okay but man that these last Thanksgiving episode loved Blair which I love some theme episodes and shows and we're we're diving into Joey Pacey. Oh, we're getting so close. We're just tiptoeing around it, Brandon.

And I'm so like literally, I can't remember which episode it was. I was like, I could not be more done with the Pacey andy dynamic. Let's leave it in the rear view here. I am all in on the Pacey Joey tension. And then Jen and Pacey, Brandon, I didn't see it coming. I didn't see friends with benefits. Oh, come on.

That was crazy. A bunch of horny high school kids Yeah, a bunch of fucking perverts I do have in my notes though Joey was disgusted a sex pack A casual sex pack What kind of freaking DGens are we dealing with Her high and mightiness about casual sex

Is really driving me crazy But I do, going back to the Andy thing I have in my notes because That was the We were we touched based on that Kevin Williams Did you introduce the pot in who we are we have never done that once in a single episode we're fine um you usually say this is the cake he just pie it's fine

well there you go he said it um but we're doing at dawson's creek this is we're in the heart of dawson's creek episode six through 10 of season three to circle back to the andy point though um we we talked about how Kevin Williamson is not in uh involved in this the at least the very beginning of this of this season and so that's why it's a little weird that's how we start getting the Joey Pacey thing he was interviewed later

on being like I never would have started that but but then he when he came back he kept it going obviously but so in I understand where they're coming from because it because we're trying to get to Joey Pacey and in order to do that we have to get we had not get rid of but you have to you have to end Pacey and Andy and you end and you need to do it in a way where Pacey looks good. Not necessarily good, but doesn't look bad. And that's what they're doing with this whole thing. But my God, they are dragging Andy through the mud.

She has become fucking terrible. Yeah. She really has. Like, she. And that's the whole reason they're doing it is just so they can make Pacey look good when it's all over. And then that way you don't feel bad about Joey Pacey. but god damn andy is just a real fucking vibe killer now yeah yeah yeah i mean episode six is the

perfect encapsulation like that was a rough episode i was like that's not getting made these days where andy does a false flag like a song she did lie about it right that's that's what they alluded to i was going to ask you if that's what you thought because i was like that's the conclusion i drew yes okay i was like that's That's just a wild way to construct that episode, right? Yeah. Like I just, I, especially considering who was on the other end of that, like, that guy sucked. And like, it just, it didn't.

Yeah. I don't know. And I still, I still don't know how old Rob is. Still don't know. Yeah. Well, because that, that was a college party, I'm assuming at his house. Um, but I don't think there's a college in Cape side. Yeah.

It was. And there was. And there was there was both 40 year olds and 10 year olds at that party. So everybody's every I, I, I, we did get Dawson's birth year. Did you hear it? Well, yeah, yeah. But I, I, 83. That means that they were three years older than me in high school, Brandon.

I would have been. This is, this is, this is 1999 in their juniors. Yeah. Yeah. Is that, three years older than me. Okay, yeah. So I would have been in eighth grade, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So on. Yeah. Because I started high school in 2000. Graduated in 04, baby, 04. There you go. Yeah.

But again, I've lost all ability to tell how old people, how old they want people to be in the show. Yeah. It's very confusing. And they did it confusing jobs with, with Rob. But that whole storyline, I couldn't believe it. Couldn't. Like, as the episode I was ending, I was like, huh. that's how they're going to end this one.

Yeah. Like with freaking, with, with Andy doing the false flag, you know, like yikes, man. That's a rough storyline and an unnecessary one.

Yeah. Yeah, wildly unnecessary. It didn't bring any value to the series or the season or the episode and I, no, again, again,

it's the only, the only, they're just a dragon, Andy. Yeah, the only thing that service is, is to make it make you happy when when Pacey ends it

which I get I guess I guess I think God is getting rid of that one good Lord she went off the deep end who would have thought I know hooking up with Looney Ben dudes fucking Rob dude Hooking up with Rob dude freaking stealing SAT test

Yeah and then late not this episode it's a couple of I think is it which island when she she's the or it might be the tango one. I don't know, when she's doing the disciplinary committee and writing everybody's detention. Oh, my God.

And that was, I can't remember which episode that was that that was. I might have it in here. I can't remember. That was so funny. Like, it is, it is Witch Island. It's the next one. It's, oh, my God. That was so, because the, the principal was like the rulebook was made in 1942.

Like, none of those apply anymore. I did 56, I'm pretty sure. Oh, okay. Okay. She goes up to, she goes up to one dude and she goes up to one dude and it's like your sideburns are way too long detention. That was incredible. That was her. Sideburns were down past like ears or something like that.

Like, oh, that was incredible because that was when, you know, like having a facial hair, sideburns, mustache, anything, you're a real D-Gen doing that stuff. Real statement. He had the. Uh, what the fuch chops. Yeah, like they come to a point. There's a fancy name for him.

I forget what it is. But he had those going. Dude, uh, what we had a, a kid I graduated high school with his name is Brent. He had like chops. Like,

and that was his, yeah, like that was his nickname. Everyone called him chops. It was awesome. He's a really good bowler too. He looks like a scratch 300 bowlers. It's wild.

Damn. Yeah. Yeah. I've been, I've been crushing the, the, the work bowling league did just. fucking crushing it i've never really thought about it we got we got second place oh really nice dude um

it was it's a it was a handicapped league though so that's why way wayne has a bowling team that is really good actually like they they didn't have it when i was in high school but now their high school has a bowling team they wouldn't state all the time nebraska bowling team is actually incredible as well too bad too bad for chops he would have been a great you know high school bowler but we just didn't have you know wasn't in the cards back in the day they could We didn't have a team at my high school, but we had a, we had a gym class that was bowling related and that was a big hit. Can you give me one second?

Yeah. Oh, boy. Good. This is, this is the epitome of just dog chaos happening right now. You think that would be me with two dogs, a cat and a baby, but no. Dude, you know a movie I watch? the other day night while I was feeding the baby. It was three men and a baby.

Have you watched that movie recently? I don't care for that movie. It's unhinged. Like where the package that is getting dropped off is like a little package of heroin, but then a baby gets dropped off and they think the package is the baby, and they give the baby to drug dealers. And then like they're caught up in this conspiracy for the anyways. It was not what I expected or remembered.

But it was fun. you know yeah Kelly walked in she's like why are you watching a movie with a screaming baby as you're holding a screaming baby that's that's psycho shit but it was good it's good it's uh I'm not a huge fan of that movie I do love me some Steve Gutenberg though I love the who's who's that Steve Gutenberg he's the he's not Tom Selleck and not um oh he's the third guy what's uh Tony it now let's I say Tony Dias it's not Tony Danza what the fuck is Ted Dansen Ted Dancing thank you um yeah he's the He's still doing, the other guy. Okay, nice. Dude, because I just call him Magnum P.I. He's Magnum P.I., right? That's Selick, Tom Selle. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.

That's it. Kelly's like, who, what do you like that? I was like, yeah, I mean, it's, it's not what you think it is. Magnum P.I. is like the guy that. Magnum P.I. Also, Richard from Friends. So.

Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. He plays, he plays. Speaking of facial hair. He plays Monica's. Monica's dad's best friend and then he, him and Monica fall in love. His mustache.

Talk about a Dawson's Creek storyline, dude. Yeah, that was a Dawson's Creek storyline. But, dude, Tom Selleck's mustache is something to be written about. Oh, top three of all time, probably. Oh, easy. I just, I couldn't look away from it when I was watching through. I was just like, my God, this just, it is groomed and combed to perfect. Brandon. I don't know if he's using it was the 80s too. I don't know if he's using like mustache oils. Like I don't he's still he still got it like have you because he did uh what was that stupid um CBS cop drama. Oh, I don't know blue bloods. He was the main guy. Blue bloods. He's still got the stash. He's still rocked. Oh, God. Oh, good. Good. Oh, I freaking love it. Anyways, back to Dawson's. This. Oh, oh, uh, Dosses. Oh, uh, Dosses.

So Dawson's mom got fired. Couldn't, couldn't make it in Philadelphia. Don't want to forget about that piece of the storyline. Dawson's mom. Yeah. Sucks at her job. Too old, too, dude. Dude, that old lady, that was the meanest small town, rich, old lady shit I've ever heard.

That was wild. That came out of nowhere. Oh, whoo. That was rough. And it was like, heard you are too old, too old and crusty for Philadelphia. what that's dude that was me like that was that was honestly the mean thing I've ever heard someone say to someone like I just wild I did love how her husband was like don't worry you're not too old for our station you can go

you can get on RL airwaves anytime but but so yes let's let's dial in you jumping all over the place sorry sorry so I can't help it I Dawson's Creek season three episode six secrets and lies is the title he's secrets of lies oh my god and we we get we start off with uh um Dawson and uh jen mobbing down the uh the school hallways and we bump into every living homecoming queen and so that was wild that is not i don't think that's a thing right like that's not I'm sure it is at some schools, probably not a weird little small, well, I don't know. Maybe in like the South or something.

Yeah. Like Permian or something, right? It's like, oh, I don't want we get all the homecoming queens come back for football Friday. Yeah. But so this this lady's old as fuck, Miss Freckles. And I love how I love how she she shakes her hand, right? She shakes Jen's hand and she goes, now Jen, if you just extend. your pointer finger along my arm.

Now you know the secret handshake. And I was like, that's the dumbest secret handshake I've ever heard of. You just extend, you just extend your pointer finger? What a lame-ass fucking handshake. Oh, dude. I mean, Kelly and I jokingly, like tongue and cheek, our handshake is just a firm handshake. Like you'd give your girlfriend's dad. Yeah.

Kind of a tongue-in-cheek one. But yeah, I laugh so hard. wouldn't she so it's like now extend your point if he was like what what's the point of that yeah what's the point of the handshake it didn't make any sense i did i've kind of felt what was her name what was the old lady's name miss freckles i forget what her first name was but she she's the the uh the air to the well did she say air i forget what she said she married into the famous freckles candy though is what she said oh nice okay love that i kind of felt bad for though.

That's another thing. We got to, okay, let's, I know I just yelled at you for jumping ahead, but I'm going to jump ahead because we're talking about Ms. Freckles right now, because Ms. Freckles was a piece of work. The story that she tells Jen about her first heartbreak was wild. Okay. Remind me what she said. Remind me what she said, because I'm like gently remembering, but not fully.

So she's talking to, this is towards the end of the episode, she's talking to Jen about Hank, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And because Hank is her neighbor. She cares about Hank very deeply. And she's like, hey, Hank. Don't string him along.

He's just a young pup. She's like, Hank, Hank is deeply in love with you. And I can tell that you're not in love with him. So don't, don't like string him along. And then she tells a story about how her first love basically teased her, proposed to her, and then left her. And then that's why. And she, and she's like still visibly.

Never recovered. Never recovered. And so that was her thing as being like if you never put herself out there. If you break break his heart, he's going to he's going to you know die. Yeah. But the story she tells she's of the guy. She's like she's like the he's like the first red flag that that I got and I should have ran screaming from is we he proposed to her and the way he did it was he on the anniversary of the death of his mother. He took her to his mother's tombstone and proposed to her there.

What the fuck? That is right. Oh, my, thank you for reminding me, Brandon, because you have turned me into a sick bastard. I was laughing so hard. And I was like, if Brandon doesn't do a dead mom proposal, I don't know what he's like, that has, that is genius. Brandon, like you need to, you need to, you can, you can put some flowers on the test. Like, hey, I just wanted my mom to be here for this moment. Dude, that, that story, when she told that story, that chilled me to the, to my,

my bones, dude, that chilled my bones. That's something a serial killer would do. Yeah, that's beyond silly serial killer. Dude, that's insane. What's that? What's the guy's name from Psycho, Alfred Bates? it's not Alfred but it is Bates it's what the fuck is it I know who you're talking about something like that it's not Christopher Bates it's something Bates though

hold on I'll look it up because otherwise you're not gonna you're not gonna you're thinking of Alfred Hitchcock who directed it that's why that's where you get an Alfred oh yep uh what the fuck is his name Jeremy Norman Norman Norman Norman Norman Oh, I was close. You were not close at all. But that's that, that is some Norman Bates shit. That was, that story, I was, I had to, I deposit. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Dude. And did they allude to Hank being 14? Well, he's a freshman. So yeah. Okay, so 14 going on 15 going on. Yeah, yeah. 14. He might, he might have been like me.

I didn't, I didn't turn 15 until the spring, you know. I didn't get my driver's license until the. but ended the school year, sophomore year. What a bummer. That was, we had an announcer guy in high school that always said the O and in sophomore. And so he'd be like, five, ten sophomore. Love it. That was the other.

Sorry. That was the other. That was the other thing, though, that that that I wrote down is. So after that, after the whole, that story and the whole night of the homecoming pageant thing, whatever, she takes Hank aside and she's like hey I'm not like this isn't going to work yeah but she does see she she plays the age card um which is like she she basically is like I'm so much older and wiser and mature than you you don't know what's going on you need somebody else who's going to go through it with you like I would just ruin your life which is a weird I get where where I get where I get where I get that argument

But it's weird. It's a very weird juxtaposition when it's a junior in high school telling that to a freshman in high school. Yeah. Particularly in the way that this show has done relationships with adults. Yes. Yeah, it was like, it was just, I was sitting there thinking like, she's not, she doesn't, she, granted she has, she has more life experience. Jen has more life experience than a normal junior in high school. Yeah.

She said it as if she was some like whizzined veteran and it's like, Jen, like you're at most three years older than him? She would break him with her loins, Brandon. Oh, she would have destroyed him. But the playing the age card was a weird way to say that. Yes. Yes.

But that's, that is what she meant of like if you, if we sex, you and I take in like, you know, it's your first time. you're going to fall deeply, truly madly deeply in love with me, like fucking Savage Garden style and chicherecola. Right? Isn't that the song? Well, that's the band. I don't think that's the same song. Oh.

Yeah. Oh, because that's your, anyways. But anyways, yeah, she just, and then he would have, and he would have like, it would have been exactly what the weird old lady said in where he just would have, he would have had a hard time recovering from that type of heartbreak. Although I will Because he was a little weirdo too And I was gonna say he's a he's a fucking creep

Yeah well it's it's not love It's infatuation at this point right And so and so that's what he's confusing love for infatuation And so that would make it even worse with everything I did feel a little bad though because like he said that While that old lady was grumpy and kind of had to stick up her ass She only had two social events for 365 five days a year like just like jenn just just don't gen it up for five seconds is what i'm saying like

you could just be you just be chill you can go with the norms you don't have to fight the system this poor old lady gets one fucking social event a year at her house just just do what she wants like she didn't ruin it it all like was fun in the end but like the whole time but she came around but like it just brandon it i felt i was just i don't know why maybe i'm just a weirdo or something, but I just felt bad because I was like, yes, she's stuffy. Yes, she's grumpy, but she only gets to do this stuffy grumpy stuff once a year. So just let the stuffy grumpy. Maybe it's because my mom's a real stickler, you know?

First of all, first of all, how dare you call the WOC stuffy? Okay. Second of all, I agree with you. And I found it very jarring for them. Because they made up, right? Jen came in hot and was like, you're fucking old. And she was like, you're in your. Yeah.

And then the old lady was like, you're just a dumb little young lady. Yeah, a little skank. Get the fuck out of here. But then they made up, right? They made up. And Jen was like, oh, let's do it. We'll work together. It'll be fine.

And then cut to drag queens, which they turned out to be a great show. They killed it. We got to talk about their names. Did you hear their names? That's the thing. is like there's a time in the place like you know like to go if you want to go to drag branch right on man like to go to go from making up with her to immediately cut to drag queens was weird yeah it was and it for more than anything it's a even like she came around but like it's it's it's

just it was the times and everything right like you can't ambush someone with like that big of surprise it's just john like people are going to be more receptive when you don't ambush them. Exactly. It is is my thought was my thought the whole time. It's like, okay, you can't just ambush someone with like surprise.

Like, you know, if you're going to do surprise entertainment and she tells you exactly what she wants, like don't be. Well, she told you exactly what she didn't want. I have that list. Do you want to know what she said no to?

Yeah, yeah. I love it. And then we'll do the names because they were great. Did you ever, there was a really famous. Oh, is that the unicorn bar?

in Seattle, the drag brunch at the, like, you can, I never went to the drag brunch, but I, me and, me and Roman spent many a nights at the unicorn. It's the, dude, it had a breakfast buffet. Oh, yeah. And so, Kelly's like Heath, we're going to drag brunch breakfast buffet. And that breakfast buffet, Brandon, ooh, it was on. It was on and popping. We've been watching a lot of new girl.

See, do you remember those? Anyways. It was, it's a, it's a, it was a, it's a really, it was a really, it was a. really good. I can't remember what the show was. It might have been wicked. No, it was Halloween theme though. So anyways. Anyways. So anyways. So anyways, I don't, you can't ambush people. Especially when she, so she lays out, she lays out the entertainment list, uh, or the entertainment rules. And she says, she goes, no mimes, no magicians. No, no Barry Manelow. Yes. No.

And so she said it's no Barry Manilow blanket, nothing to do with Barry Manilow. Because then she after. What do you think Barry Manelow did to this lady? Like, do you think the guy that broke her heart was just always crushing Barry Manilow like in the car, like on an eight track? I don't know. But right after that, she goes, no Elvis lookalikes. So she'll allow just no lookalike.

She'll allow like, you can play all this music, but definitely nothing Barry Manelow. And then just no, no motivation. speakers, no comedy troops, no break dancing, no gangster rap. And then she, before Jen cuts her off, the last thing she says is no animal tricks. I mean, that should kind of like go with the magician, right? But it's, what do you think happened at some of these that she created? Like, what do you think has happened in the past that this list was created? Well, yes.

So something, yeah, something had to happen. So some bear, yeah, some Elvis, somebody, one year they hired an Elvis look alike and he ruined the whole thing. One thing I want to point out that so they, they do this every year for homecoming. They bring all of the homecoming queens back and they do a little party, whatever. Not once throughout this whole episode. And not once in any of the episodes previously this when she was getting the award for Homecoming Queen. Do they ever mention a king? Do they just not have a king?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. She has Henry be her date. Yeah. They don't mention the king at all, which I mean, I don't, I don't hate it, but it just threw me off because I was like, shouldn't there be a fucking king? It's royalty. Yeah. You know, Dawson's Creek, you know, matriarchy, head of their time. Way ahead of their time.

But we also need to, we got to hit on the drag queen names because they were the greatest, the greatest drag queen names I think I've ever heard. I can't remember him. Do you remember anyone? Okay. No. No. She's introducing him. The first one she introduces is Amanda Reckinwith.

Fantastic. Then she hits you with summer clearance. That's the one's the, that's the worst one of the bunch, but still silent. I mean, don't you remember summer clearance sales? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm, there's, there is a summer clearance, right? I think is a, a, a, a fan.

is oh maybe am i oh no i'm i'm making that up i thought there's god you're dumb idiot brandon i'm just ahead of my time i shoulder you know there should be a summer clearance but uh so summer clearance and then the next one's my favorite the next one Megan whoopee amazing no notes uh which that that's uh reminded me of he's i don't know how familiar you are with a um minor league hockey teams and the you did live in the state of Georgia so you might know this during I want to see the

was it the 80s or 90s there was a minor league hockey team in making Georgia okay okay okay do you want to do what you put two and two together here and figure out what their name was I no probably not late late 90s 1996 to 2001

their name Was the making pancakes? No, it was the making whoopee. Oh. You know what a whoopee is, right? Yeah, yeah. I was trying to actually think of the, do you remember the game show that was on TV with the couples, where the couples would do the thing and they called it whoopee whenever they asked the sexy questions?

When you're making whoopee to your partner. Hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously, whoopi is obviously. code it's a

synonym for sex but do you but it's also do you know what it also is my question was everybody knows it means sex the newlywed game yeah that's it that's the newlywed game

they would always that was like a big thing on there yeah but do you know what do you know what else whoopi is it's a bird he's there's a bird named the whoopee and so that's that was their mascot they were the making whoopee and it was a bird

classic great name making whoopee now now now i believe her from the 70s love that now well yeah i mean i loved it um but now her from the 70s basically the uh the current minor league hockey team in making heath is called the mayhem making mayhem the last name is the best name though saved the best for last the last name is miss christianity and that's when uh right after they right after they take the stage is when Graham's is walking out. She's she she had to sit down.

She was she was so flustered. But then Hank goes, is talking to Jen and he goes, you know what? I think I have a thing for Christy. That old lady, I just like I said, I felt a little bad for her because, you know, she gets to do one thing with other humans a year and Jen just gend it up. You keep bad mouth in the WOC Heath and I won't stand for it. Okay. How do you think that they like, did she say the pointer finger?

Did she say which finger? Point finger. She's point. She's point. Yeah. Can we shake hands like that from now? Brandon? Yeah.

Just did you, wait, hold on. Could you like my friends would be dicks and like, like you just tickle someone's wrist a little bit? It would take all of my willpower not to do that. Right? Like you did, you just get a little finger and you go. Yeah. A little. whoopo.

Anyways, loved that the next episode started in the video store. Almost forgot that we are... That was fantastic start. So it reminds me, well, one last thing for episode six is Joey and

Bessie, right? That's your sister's name? Oh, yeah, they're turning in the house into a bed and breakfast. Ben breakfast, and apparently Pacey got all of the cops in town to work for free. Is that what we said? That was weird. Yeah, they donated their time to help with the drug dealers burning down their thing, you know. Right?

Maybe. Do you think that's how he convinced him? He's like, hey, cops. I didn't even think about that, but that makes sense then. We had drug dealers burn down a home. Let's do the cop thing and let's rebuild it. Yeah. Okay.

Makes sense. And then, okay, so episode seven, back at the movie, movie rental store, did you see, I don't know if they had this. for season two or before in season one uh well i guess it wouldn't have been season one because that would have been too early uh maybe season two but season uh in this episode and the next couple episodes where they're showing up at the video rental store again did you see the poster hanging behind the front desk the movie poster oh i might not have been paying attention it's idle hands that's the the devonsawa um forton reed movie we did where the oh yeah the one that will always regret not being like renting instead of just buying but i thought like dollar more i

should have just rented out that was a that was a good one that was a great movie that was a really underrated funny stupid like you know movie like that i i love that charlie conway has full roared's movie hanging in this is his uh his movie place you know that's fantastic good touch yeah yeah but yeah it's in the back of this one at the beginning and then there's a couple other scenes in the next couple episodes where they're at the rental store and it's yeah just chilling in the background but yeah Idle hands and so we have escape

from which island episode 7 he's oh banger it's a pretty solid episode I loved it did you ever it's full of perverts it's a Blair witch episode did you after that movie came out were you too young did you try to Blair witch did you have

like we tried to like not like record it but we would go to like the old abandoned haunted farmhouses like out in the country yeah i was i did that that was a staple throughout my my youth was was abandoned uh abandoned man places um man when when when blare witch came out we were there were just a million ghost hunters in our school that that that movie was such a phenomenon like the like the like Like A plus brilliant marketing. Yeah.

Like just a masterclass in marketing. And the movie was pretty solid. I like the movie. It's not like, you know. It was for because it's hard. It's hard to understand now with like the age of social media where everyone's got a fucking camera in their face. Like everyone's doing selfies.

Everyone's doing live videos. Like that wasn't a widespread thing. And so it made it look. It was like it was a total mind fuck for people of like this looks so real. It feels so real. It's terrifying. There are so many like found footage movies nowadays. But that was legitimately the first one.

Right? That never been done before. I don't think. I could be wrong about that. And the way they did it was incredible. It really was a hugely groundbreaking movie. The way they marketed it was incredible too because it was again, in 99. it's before social media.

It's before anything. And one of these episodes. That's like the old small town rumors of like, oh, this was based on a true story. They just, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, like they just. They had no access to any kind of social media, but they marketed that thing on the internet like crazy. And it took off and it was so crazy. For them to be as successful as they were at that time with as little technology as they had is mind blowing, There's a there's a scene a couple episodes from now where Jack prints off emails.

That's how little technology we're working with right now, guys. The the lore for which island was fantastic. I got a question. I have a question. The lore was crazy. I loved it. I love the lore. I love that they ask, they're like, he's like interviewing people and he asks his parents.

And they're like, oh yeah, we fucked there. Yeah, that's a sick banging spot in high school. Yeah. And then his mom, I think, says, I believe that's the place where me and your dad made love for the first time. I got a question, though, because so she, so Joey comes barging into the rental, the rental place, right, the movie rental. Because she, they just talked about the crucible in their class.

and everybody's got to write a paper on it. So she, and she didn't read it because she's, you know, I don't know. I forget what she says, but she's got a whole bunch of shit going on. Well,

she's like trying to keep her family afloat. I don't know. Like, it seems like Bessie's husband has left her, right? Because they don't show him. He's not in any episodes. Because otherwise he should,

like, he should be doing what Joey's doing. I don't, I don't think he left them. Because I do believe later on in like, in like, see in like season four or five he pops up again so i think he's still there joey is taking on more than she needs to like what the like you know like what is you're taking

on that she couldn't i don't know i mean i she's taken on all the stress of it like it's not joey's responsibility to keep her family afloat or do you think she's just being an overdramatic teenager do you not have you is this your first time meeting joey that that girl could have have zero responsibilities and she'd be stressing out oh that's true and judging other people for being high school kids yeah um

but but so so she's she's she's trying to come in to rent the movie because she didn't read the book to write the paper but Dawson says the teacher is letting him instead of writing the paper yes he's the teacher

is letting him make a documentary about it and he's bringing uh jen and pacey to help so then they don't have to write the paper either what what is this teacher doing oh i thought the same thing i was like this jokester of a teacher like and it was the principal too the principal was there at the end when he was showing it was well and the principal teaching classes what the thing that i always think about it's like you know with andy in her hall monitor like andy being the fucking hall monitor I was like, so everyone hates Andy. I don't think that's until like episode nine.

No, that's this episode is when she's doing all the. Yeah, because at the end is when right after he shows the thing and the principal calls it a boy or witch knockoff, so the kid runs in and goes, hey, hey, we got a situation. And that's when she has the line of students giving them detentions. And so I was thinking this, by the end of this episode, I'm like, okay, Andy's going ham as a hall monitor. so everyone obviously hates her right now for bugging the shit out of them and then dawson gets to make it stupid-ass movie because he keeps getting all these credits like all this accolade from the town for making the shittiest movies ever seen like people in like this high school don't like them right like that's like that's what that's all i could think it's like they have to be some of the most hated people yeah they in this high school they have yeah because because you have DOS you have Andy who's writing everybody up you have Pacey who's the lazy black sheep you have I guess they might like Jen maybe kind of I don't know just a rebellion like

the I don't know Jen was there when her friend died I was for fucking Abbie died like so Jen has like a black mark because and we we've established yeah anyway sorry we've established the popular girls don't like Jen because she like sabotage the cheerleading team remember yeah that's right that's right and then yeah dawson's the pretentious dude who keeps who everybody lets do all the teachers let do whatever the fuck he wants yeah nobody likes these people i think they i think they i think they allude to it multiple times when they're talking to each other and they're like i have no other they all say like i have no other friends i don't have anybody else saying that way so yeah yeah i don't think they're they're

they're not they're not uh valued members of the school like j j Joey's dad is a drug dealer she did went homecoming queen though yeah she didn't win homecoming queen despite them but like joey's dad's a drug dealer pacey had an illicit affair with the teacher and his dad and his dad's the cop oh yeah it's like these the people around these people like it's like um the guy that we interviewed the um oh sorry i'm blanking on everything like this oh minor character theater that guy yes like he needs to do micro character theater on Dawson's Creek on some of these episodes where it's like we are not about I we should

Edmund is his real name my name is his channel I might have to shoot him a DM or something being like hey I got a great idea for you Dawson's Creek yeah oh my God there's he could he could do so much like it's like wait Jen was shit faced and watched

Abby drown like wait Dawson was the rat that put Joey's dad in jail? That's the other thing. We've completely forgotten about that. In this episode, Joey is very much like, hey,

forgive and live and let die, right? She kind of wants to get back with Dawson. She's kind of trying to flirt with him and bring it up and talk about it. And Dawson's being oblivious, like always. And he says, I'm glad we're real good friends now. And she's like, we don't ever fucking talk. How are we friends? like you didn't even

because he gets all pissy about her hanging out with Pacey and Pacey helping her with stuff instead of him. Well, that's Lee. That's a couple of episodes. But like in this episode, he's like, because they're making the movie and Joey's like,

this is really nice. I missed us doing this. And Dawson's like, oh yeah, our movie is great. Movies are the best. And she's like, I was talking about us.

And he's like, well, I'm just really great. We're friends now. And she literally is like, you don't, because he didn't know about the B&B. he didn't know he didn't know about her getting fired she's like how are we friends you don't we don't

talk and all you don't know anything about me anymore we don't hang buddy yeah um you've lost one of your two friends yeah but so she but but she in while she's she's still trying to flirt trying to figure out but yeah it's like he he fucking dimed you out dimed your dad out and not only did he dime your dad out he made no i take that back he didn't dime your dead out he made out he made you do it yeah he forced you to rat on your dad yeah god fuck that guy dude dawson sucks uh dawson does so along those same lines i have in my notes because the next episode after that we still got a lot to talk about with which island the next episode is the thanksgiving one with jens mom and again i have in my notes dawson dawson's complete obliviousness to

the right time to tell people things is astonishing oh wait you're like tell me if I've gone too far it's like if you're leading with that it's like that's the same as like you know like not to be offensive and then you just it's just like okay so this is about to be the most horrifying thing I've ever heard it's going to make me laugh

but it's going to be offensive so Jen's mom comes in right and so we have us looking back we established Eve is the uh A child is she's a bastard child is Jen's half sister, I'm going to assume. Jen's mom's daughter that she gave up. Yeah. Um, before she had Jen.

She gave, she gave her. So Eve came back looking forward. And she had to hide it from her husband. Like she's deep, deep hiding from current husband. Cause if he leaves her, she's belly up. Nobody cares about the husband. Heath. What I'm trying to get out is.

Well, that's the motivation for why the mom was acting the way nobody was. Nobody cares about that. Now, we'll get to that in the next episode. I'm trying to make a quick point about Dawson. Okay, Dawson sucks. Okay, keep going. Yeah, sorry. Dawson knows that Dawson finds out Eve is Jen's half-sister, Jen's mom's daughter.

Four episodes ago, five episodes ago, and he does not tell Jen. He doesn't tell Grams. He doesn't tell anybody. I think he told his mom. Yeah. But he doesn't tell anybody for these four episodes. and then Jen's mom comes into town and her and Jen are like trying to reconnect and reconvene

Jen tells Dawson this she's like my mom's in town she's a real crazy person I'm trying to you know we're talking or whatever and Dawson is like urging Jen to make up with her mom and then he then he thinks to himself you know what would be a great idea at this point in time when she's trying to make up with her mom is if I throw the fucking abandoned

baby into the mix here let's really fuck this let's really fuck these relationships up while they're trying to mend. He just, he has zero tact for when is the right time to divulge information. Like if you're going to, if you're going to bring this up, you bring it up when you find out.

Yeah. You know, especially, especially to Jen. You would think that he would have more tact and awareness considering how much of a film buffy is and like reading. And it's supposed to be good at. reading and then recreating human emotion.

Yeah. He just it that when that when he decided right then and there at Thanksgiving was the time to do it, um, blew my mind. Yeah. Love the Jen mom surprise though for Thanksgiving. I thought that was good. That was that was really good. Solid solid solid. We'll get to that though.

Back to which island. Okay. Sorry. Back to which island. So they're taking... Okay, so yeah, so do you remember any of the lore? I didn't write down any of the lore. I can't remember.

It's like the... The girls... The girls got banished to the island, but one of them escaped because, like, the dude that they thought, like... Oh, yeah, okay. The dude that drove the boat was, like, the love interest, and he, like, secretly was a secret lover of hers, lover in the night so yes so you jogging my memory here so there it was like 6090s and 13 girls uh got banished to which island yeah because in witches because everybody well yeah i guess it wasn't called which island until they banished them there but they banished

them there because they thought they were doing uh witchcrafted dark arts and stuff one of them they they through like reading a bunch of journals and stuff on the island they find out that one of them wasn't really doing witchcraft she was just she was banished there because she was fucking her step brother um and then i i thought that they like took her in she was just like a rando that they took in oh was she okay it might have been that then i thought she she was like a rando that they took in and she they made her part of the family but when they realized that they're yeah when their son fell in love with the peasant girl that they took in that's when they drew the line. And rather than just saying like, hey, it's time for us to go our separate ways.

They said, hey, this girl's a witch. Let's, let's banish her to an island so she can never see our son again. Yes. And so then there's a logical choice as a parent, you know, as a current, as a current parent, I would absolutely, if the wrong skeezy dude tries to date my daughter, I absolutely would just banish him. No questions asked to an island to live out his days. You know, exactly. Now you get you. Now you're getting it. Yeah. Good luck, buddy. fucking loser but uh so they get banished there and then um they're there for i forget exactly how long they're there but essentially well and joey only finds 12 graves remember so i got i got a bone to pick with that hold on so they so they're they're on the island and then the town people

they get motored over by a creepy guy they say sandwich that the guy's weird yes but i'm talking about the the lore the old witches the old witches they're they get put to the island because they were doing witchcraft and they're all on the island by themselves because they were accused of witchcraft so what do they start doing more of naturally more witchcraft yeah um who could have seen that coming well first of all if you're going to like banish people that weren't doing it and it's like well you know what fuck it may as well do the crime that i'm getting punished for well and this is this is what's it no double jeb there's double jeopardy a thing back then remember that movie yeah Like, hey, if we just got accused of being witches, we may as well be fucking witches.

Oh. And I get this in my notes that I was like, I get this lecture from Kelly a couple times. I think it was like when they were talking about like the preconceived notions of witches and all that stuff and how it's not a bad thing. I don't know. I can't remember what it was. But it was funny. Anyways, well, it was the, again, this was the 6090s, I think is when they say this happened. So stuff that was considered witchcraft, you know, just like blowing your nose, you know, stuff like that.

Like in Monty Python, the Holy Grail. I'm like, she's a witch. But so they're on the island by themselves. They're doing more witchcraft because they got banished for doing witchcraft. And then the townspeople freak out again. And they go and they lock them all in the church and then they burn it down, essentially. That's a normal solution. And so they all, they, they all, they think they all die, right?

But to get to your point where Joey only sees told. So they, so yes, like you said, they get on this boat with the weird boat guy, which is quite the character. They go over to which island to tour. There's a gift shop on which island, which I thought was pretty wild. I love a good gift shop, though. Come on. But so then the Wendy, Wendy, I think is the girl's name.

That's, like the tour lady. So she's taking them to the graveyard where the tomb source are. And Joey goes, oh, there's only 12 here. I thought there were 13 girls. And the Wendy goes, she goes, wow, smart girl. Nobody ever picks up on that, which I call Bull. Nobody ever picked up on the fact. Because she says nobody ever picks up on that.

And then she starts telling like the lore of their only being 12 because they're like, oh, she got away. So it's like okay so obviously a lot of people picked up on that if there's if there's a fucking urban legend about her not being there I don't know I find it incredibly hard to believe that Joey was the first person to realize we're missing a tombstone it was I don't know it was a good it was a really good episode I loved it was them in the in the like little cabin thing reading the diary with like the you know like with the spirit of the girl that was the tour guide still living there. I loved it. I was all in. And then like who I can't remember why Pacey and Jen were like stuck behind.

And like when the boat. Well, Pacey went to go pee. Uh, and just kind of wandered away in the woods. And then Jen, oh, let's see anything, Jen, while they're in the gift shop, Jen makes a love potion on for Pacey to drink. That's right. I forget about that. So, so Pacey goes to pee and wanders off into the woods and then a couple minutes after that, Jen is like, oh, I wonder if Pacey's in love with me yet.

Let me go find them. But so that's how they end up stranded at night. And then we get church bells from bells that don't exist. We get weird. They think the church is catching on fire, but it's not really a lot of spooky stuff's going on. Yeah, the church starts on fire like it did for the burning of the witches. And then and then we have a little pervert sex-packed people, Pacey and Jen, who they're in the church. They're in the church with Joey and Dawson.

Granted Dawson is asleep and Joey's reading, but they're just tucked away in a little corner. Like, hey, let's bang. Just making out going to town. What? Kids being kids. I guess just some, some. tact you know well then they because later on then they're making they make out in the the coat room right oh and they get busted there's just i don't know i get i get i get being a teenager but like

i was never a big public make out person you know got to get it in when you can get it brandy that's that's fair you know if you stay ready you don't got to get ready that's you say it all the time right oh you're not following your own rules yeah i don't know i was just never a big never especially that big of it like that wasn't a coat closet that was a coat room it was a coat closet i could see because then you're more tucked away but like it they were wide out in the open in the church the church they were wide out in the open to and it's like i know they're not like you know they're not like hiding it per se but you're you don't you they obviously don't want Dawson and Joey to front, but you're doing it right in front of them.

It's weird, weird. It made me laugh at that very, not to skip, I guess I'm skipping ahead again, but like at the very end when he shows the class and for some Godforsaken reason, the class is impressed. And the girl's like, wait, who's that on the dock? And it was, you know, boo do do do do do do do right? Isn't that X-Files? X-Files music? Yeah.

Well, I think so, yeah. but yeah so the way the documentary ends is um they after the they think the church is you know on fire whatever they freak out they run back to the dock and the boat's there back somehow um so they hop on the boat and then they leave and then yeah and so that when they're leaving dawson is still filming and he's filming the dock and there's two shadowy figures on the dock is what the girl sees in the points out they just take up on the boat and leave what if those people were real and not ghostly figures like you just abandoned two people on that island well so that's my question here so were those two ghostly figures and everything was just real

spooky or was that the the gift shop lady and the boat guy and they're just fucking with them I think it's just like a sick joke yeah I think it's like I think it's like a haunted house they're doing where you come and you know they they play the gong noise when there's there's the bell noise when there's no bells I think that's what was going on. I think the gift shop lady and the boat guy were just fucking with people. Let's start this building out and pretend fire.

Scared the shit out of these kids. Did they? I imagine they charged them, right? They probably charged them for the tour and then to take the boat. Yeah. So I think that's what I think happened is those two. And then they have, they're chilling on the boat looking like ghosts.

Or not on the boat, chill on the dock looking like ghosts. I'm a ghost, ghost, ghost. That's my theory, though. But yeah, you, I did love how he's showing it. And they, like, cut to some of the reactions from the kids in the class. And they're fucking loving it, too. They're like, my God, it's the freaking Cape side version of Blair Witch. It's his groundbreaking.

Ugh, which island, man. What a fucking. Okay. But so next we got Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving dinner guess who's coming to dinner episode eight jens mom Jen's mom uh Dawson's complete obliviousness on how to when and how to to to drop news on people um we get the learies like she's she's back she's hanging with his dad but like they're not together like Dawson pitches a fit because he doesn't like him being friends that's what i didn't get

Dawson gets mad because he's like, you guys got to make up your mind, whatever. It's like, you guys can't be friendly to each other. But the episode before, or maybe two episodes before, because he's talking, yeah, two episodes before, when he's talking to his mom about her getting fired and all that, he basically tells her, like, go, go be friends with dad. Dad can help you. Go be friends. And then he gets all pissies out.

This episode, he gets mad about it. It's like, dude, get your shit together, Dawson. You dumb bitch. I did love, uh, um jen had a great uh a great line about her mom when she she after the she see she meets she meets her upstairs and she comes down and uh dawson and joe were like oh we heard your mom's here do we get to meet your mom did you know your mom was coming and jet goes uh no i had no idea she did it gorilla style uh she she goes she uh she subscribed to the hochi men style of parenting

I forgot about that. That's a great line. That's a great line. I do I do love like seasonal episodes you know and in shows as long as it doesn't detract from the storyline.

Like sometimes it's not a good fit but I love some good holiday episodes. Syke does them like the Halloween psych episodes are always so good. Like the office, new girl, modern fan. Like they'd all those sitcoms do do some good good holiday episodes. Have you ever had oyster stuffing before?

I that was like a big thing in the episode was his mom's oyster stuffing. Have you ever had that before? That's got to be an East Coast thing. Yeah. Yeah. I've never had it before. It does sound pretty good though. I don't know.

Do you think it go like with turkey? Oyster stuffing with turkey. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Surf and turf, bud. Yeah. I guess, yeah.

What do I know? I don't know shit about anything. I forgot what restaurant it was, but I heard somebody refer to like surfing turf as a reef and beef. We're just going to. Jen's mom is there. Dawson. And she shows up last minute.

Dawson drops the, Hey, I met Eve. Dawson fucks it all up. And then runs. runs jason runs jens mom off the same way similarly to how he ran joey's dad off yeah um but jen and her mom do they they reconnect towards the end they it's real rocky in the middle but then they reconnect because jen realizes the reason that they that she sent her away isn't because she hated her and she was misbehaving or something like that it's because she didn't want jen to turn out like her she was like i'm just like i I'm going to, I'm going to, because she's in a loveless marriage. She is wholly tied to how that man feels.

She's definitely afraid of a divorce because she's in her. Nothing. In her eyes, yeah, she's an old lady who has nothing and can't recover. And she's worried about her social circles. She's really worried about losing those social circles. Like that status. She's not wrong. No, and she's right, especially with like Northeast, right, where it's like the invites start

coming and all of a sudden everyone's like they're very wealthy they're they're up in that that higher class and so yeah a lot of those circles she's right if you get divorced um you lose that status you're done you're out um so she's not wrong

there but you know god that it's not where it's like shipping your you can you can make new friends girl come on you can make new friends like there's got to be some kind of middle ground like it might be worth the divorce if it means shipping your kid off like first of all let's let's let's dial that back she's not exactly shipping her kid off she she sends her to her grandparents her mom you know so it's like

it feels like she's shipped her off you know like it was just like get the fuck out we can't deal with you anymore well that's because she's not that's because she's she's a crazy lady who didn't who didn't think of who didn't approach it in the correct way yeah yeah she just she was like a I would rather just not deal with anything. So. I have social events on my calendar. I can't deal with this fucking kid having sex in her dad's bed. And then her dad being a dick to me for the next month.

So she, Jen's mom is completely wrong in the way she went about things. But her motives were not super wrong. Yeah. Jen is way better off at Grams than she would be with her mom at her mom and dad's. better off so like you know do the ends justify the means maybe maybe yeah this episode is something else you know we got dawson dawsoning it up well then we get we get angry jenn after she gets in a fight with her mom angry jen tries to angry bang pacey and think oh i forgot about that pacy's like this is like doing it with a drunk well he like you know he he says if i remember correctly

He said agree as really emotionally intelligent really profound because he's like this whole thing was built on no emotions. No strings attached, no emotions, meaningless sex, therefore angry sex we can't do either. That's just

full of emotions. Dude, that that was really intelligent by Pacey. I was surprised. I was like, huh, okay. Like that's a really good point. You know, no to all the listeners out there if you're going to do a casual thing

and make sure the angry sex is not included yeah no emotions I loved when he comes back after he tried to go hang out with his family and Jen is like apologizing and she's like she's like you know I'm sorry about that and then she goes

she goes but you you turned me down as a 16 year old boy that must have been real hard and he goes oh you have no fucking idea it's a real testament to pacey being a good guy yeah that is they keep teed it up pacey the good guy they want you to cheer for him they are they aren't trying their darnness to make him look good yeah they got to come back from sexy affair with teacher so we're going episode nine four to tango

oh yeah this is where uh pacy finds out he's failing everything and so he goes up to joey and is like joey i need your help yes i'm a dumb idiot i need you because you're a smart smart i know he goes he goes let me see your notes for math class and he starts looking at him he goes what's cosine and she's like oh my god dude i go we're so much deeper than we thought we don't even know what the term means let alone how to use it this is going to be i'm i've never been a numbers guy so i kind of i empathize you know i was i was always just like get me the fuck out of these math classes just see i was i i mean i'm an accountant so i was because you're a nerd brand i was always real donatello brandon no you're the donatello we've established this you can't that's such a

don't tell them move to try to throw don't tell on to somebody else you're the one sitting here talking about how you love numbers i don't love them they're easy celebrate pie day they're easy they're easy is what i was going to say um but um yeah so so she he finds out he's he's failing everything she's trying to like get a year scholarship that doesn't exist anymore yeah for ballroom dancing for ballroom dancing so she's like I'll help you study if you ballroom dance with me and then then we figure out he has um Pacey has a studying fetish where he can only study if he's getting sex yeah yeah but Pacey and Jen friends with benefits not clicking they just don't have any well they chemistry they talked about this before which island where

they were like how come we never tried to get together and the essentially pacey like broke it down really you know profoundly and he was essentially there they're they got nothing to offer each other there there's no there's no there's no sometimes that happens you know like sometimes it's you just you meet someone and you're like oh i really like this person and then you're like trying to be romantic you're like yeah no no no this is vibes are right yep this is this is not good vibes the The vibes are off. And so that's what they're trying to do.

This is the one where they break into Dawson's room in the middle of a school day to try to fuck. Wild move. Wild move. I loved it. I loved it. Like, they aren't doing everything they can to change the sexual energy of their relationship. But it's just not working. You know, it's not taking super well.

Can't get it up. Nothing. Yeah. No vibes at all. But I did love that they're like, hey, what's the best place for us to sneak? away to you and sex Dawson's room that fucking bedroom window is always open with a ladder up to it like he or then she that she goes grandma always did say that that that ladder leads to sin yeah dude and then pacey forgets his he's going back because he forgets the condom or something and he

loses his shoe and Dawson comes in and dawson thinks he's having sex with the teacher again He's like, what teacher could Pacey be possibly having sex with right now? He asked Jen and Jen comes into the video store a little bit later and he asked Jen. I forget how he phrased it. But he essentially asked Jen, are there any new hot teachers that started? Incredible. That was incredible. Jen's like, oh shit, they're on to us.

But then Dawson thinks that Joey and Pacey are sexing when him and Jen are spying on them at the dance class. and then they get caught spying and then have to join the dance class. And the dance teacher is like, hey, I'm bored. These weird kids are just stumbling in. Let's, yeah, let's just, let's just light the match on the can of gasoline and walk away. Because that's what that teacher, that dance teacher is like, oh, let's go. I'm going to stir the pot for these kids like they've never seen before. Couldn't believe it.

I was like, oh, damn, she's just going to fuck with them. Yeah, she was amazing. She's great. Oh, and then, so she, the, the, the ballroom teacher is fucking some crazy shit up. And then the other storyline in this episode is, uh, Jack nervous about being gay for the first time because he's so used to being the only gay person in the town that when it was time to, like, be in a relationship with another dude. He was so nervous, you know, I didn't even, I was like, oh, no kidding. Like that makes sense. Like, actually I was like, I, you know, he's used to being the only.

guy and he's going for his first relationship, his first boyfriend, like that's, it could be nerve-wracking, right? It'd be terrifying. But this is, this is the episode. This is the episode when he prints off all the emails. Because, because everybody saw. He's fan mail. Yeah.

Well, not, not, well, I take that back. There was like two, two fan mails and then the rest were, were very hateful messages. Oh, no. They wanted, they were so mad. They got eliminated. they wanted to cream that guy oh my god dude that's i mean you know it's i did love how andy was like one effort i did love he he reads that well there that uh email and andy goes man i feel sorry for that cheerleader who's going to be trying to chase that closeted guy it's like think about it

that's the the only logical explanation for something like that is that he's closeted And he just has to come to grips with it. Because to see something on the news. And then in 1999, to go out of your way and find the contact information for the person who was in the news story, write them in email about how much you hate them. That's so much time and effort. That's a lot of effort to dislike a stranger. Yeah. Specifically because not only to dislike him, but to be like, man, I'm not.

I'm so angry that I couldn't play Smear the Queer with you. I was really looking forward to playing with you, you know? Yes. It's as old. I mean, that's, I mean, that's what's wrong with kids these days. Like back in the day, everything took a lot of effort. You had to be committed. Like, if you wanted to be a hater, you had to earn it.

Yeah. You couldn't just jump in the comments and be a dick behind a burner account. Like, you had to own with a return mail address and stand. And stamps, you know? Like, you had to earn that hate. This was an email. I'm just being a dick. But like, you know, you had to earn your hate back in the day.

But it's a, you know, like it's a, you have to create burner email accounts, I guess. But anyways, it was. You know how hard it was to create an email address back then, though? It's saying you had to put in real effort. Like the amount of effort to be a hater is why there were so few. Yeah. But then I love to because they're doing that out in the courtyard, whatever. And then they go into the library.

They're on those big, colorful McIntoshes. Oh, those are the best, too. And they find, they find Ben, who's the guy who wrote like a really nice message to him. And was like, hey, I was on the news for going to prom the other year. And people were summoned to me. Like, if you need to talk to anybody that's gone through this, let me know. Yeah. And so they're going through the whole thing of chatting with him on I am.

That was a great thing. Oh, love that. Yeah. And I love to like going back to the the crazy ballroom teacher who inserts yourself into this. They're in the library. And I'm I'm 90% sure this was the librarian. If not just another teacher that was in there because it was the lady. Granted, I again, I'm bad at trying to tell how old people.

Careful. Careful. She was teacher age. But again, so is the character that plays Andy. So she could have been maybe playing a student. But I'm assuming she, I'm assuming she was the librarian. because they're trying to figure out, you know, what to do with Ben or whatever. And she walks by, the librarian walks by and goes, you know, I traded somebody from the internet one time.

They were fucking ugly as fuck. Just like the older, like the teachers and the, you know, the older people in this town just never cease to amaze me with how they just insert themselves into these. Like the ballroom teacher doing that whole thing was hilarious. and then yeah the librarian being like you should get you should get a photo you should see a photo before you know you don't want to you don't want to just jump into that it's probably a 40 year old dude with the rap sheet yeah but yeah so that's pretty much it for this episode um it was good well and then obviously we get um so joey and oh joey and dawson walk in on jenn and pace making out hard well again they the timing uh like like going back to the witch island they try making

now inside the church while Joey and Dustin are there. In this one, it's they're at the ballroom dancing and there's a whole blow up and Joey and Dawson leave for like

two seconds, right? They leave for two seconds and that's when Pacey and Jenner like we should make out. Hey, listen, Brandon, when you are you know, looking to get your pilot light, you know, like Pacey was looking for that pilot light to get started again.

Sometimes you just got to use a closet. It wasn't like we've started. It wasn't a coat closet. There was a coat room. That's even better. It's more space. Well, I loved how they were sitting down against the wall.

It was just an uncomfortable makeout position. It was it was a hundred percent one of those. Like you mentioned when they're earlier, when you're in high school and you're just like, I just need to make out whenever I can make out. And so, yeah, it's one of those. Like, as a 30-year-old man that looked like a nightmare, I would have, that was something that would, I would, if you were like, I don't care how hot the girl is.

If she was like, let's make out in a coat room sitting down up against the wall, I'd be like, absolutely not. Like, we're going to have a sciatic thing. Yeah. Yeah. You're not built like that. I'm going to throw my back. What are we doing here?

I'm going to pull a hand. you know when when you're 16 though you're like listen just you like dude do you want to make out with me let's go yeah say no more say say less right that's what the youth say uh anyways so then there's so i hated i i thought it was really funny that they did the like the people at the admissions office thought joey was a boy and like got it mixed up but i hated joey and age i I think they, you know, they got all called confused. But like I hated that dude. AJ, I hated AJ.

AJ sucked. Yeah, that was that. I thought the initial of like, oh, that was pretty funny, Joey. They thought she was a boy. But that guy sucked that whole storyline of little women and the old. To bash little women like that was egregious. Well, it really was because that's the one of the more. Like, it's like, typical liberals, right?

Like can't even appreciate a classic work. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But, like, it's a, it's a classic, but like, it's a classic, but like typical snoot. And he like did it on the fact that a teacher's aide then coerced a high school girl to stay in his dorm with him. then publicly shamed her in a snooty stuck up Harvard College. Like, hey, just that guy sucked. Fuck that guy.

And I do want to say the class she sits in on is freshman English. These kids are freshmen. Okay. And it's what, November? We're three, four months into your, you're not even done with the first semester. And they acted so high. and above the high school kid like you're welcome to i mean come on brandon these are 18 year old kids that are going to harvard do you think they're not the most pretentious that's

fucking people that you've ever met in your entire life that's probably the most accurate depiction of a harvard class it's probably so much worse now if i'm being honest like could you imagine these kids at chat gpt going in there thinking they're the smartest thing since the internet like it's it's probably worse now than it was them but i do i do i'm I actually was not surprised by that. And I was like, Harvard. Yeah.

A bunch of dicks. It makes sense. I don't know. I just that, that shit drives me. If they would have showed a state school and them doing that, I would have been like, yikes.

Those people suck. But like it being Harvard and them doing that, I was like, this is typical Ivy League nonsense. I guess I don't know. That's just, that's like my biggest pep peeve in the world is when people act like they're better than other people.

It drives me up the fuck. and wall then i also oh my god especially when it comes to like liking he didn't ask like what do you think the best book ever was he's like what's your favorite book yes that's it like that was a her personal favorite and then he was a dick about he's like this is what happens when you choose literature that you relate to the main character of it's like what it's what's what's wrong with you if you have a favorite book and it's probably because you feel some sort of relation to it because it is your personal favorite. Like he said,

he didn't ask like, what do you think is the greatest literary work of art in modern times? And then she might have answered more pretentious like the class. But he asked her what her favorite was. That was her favorite because she was comes to find out she was named after the fucking girl in the book. And her life. Weirdly, weirdly mirrors it.

Yes. Like there's, so there is zero reason to be a dick. And like in the whole inappropriateness of her like staying in that dorm like in him being like she should have immediately walked out of it like been like, oh, okay. Well, you can go fuck yourself. I'm going to go to the admissions office quick and make sure they get this right. because I'm not staying with some fucking weirdo pretentious teacher's aide who's obvious, like, you don't, you're not a teacher's aide until your sophomore junior year in school. I think he did say he was a junior. Oh, anyway, sorry.

That just, that whole storyline, it just annoyed the shenotomy, but nothing made me more angry in this episode than Andy. And just showing up to the dean of admissions office with no scheduled interview. That did make any sense. I was like That is the most inconsiderate And root and then just loitering there constantly Like I get it That she ended up having a good relationship

With the admissions secretary lady That was really seem really nice But like Oh my God Like you don't have an appointment Piss off Like just get like What was wrong with her?

What was the end goal? And it's it really And she had an interview scheduled for March Well, that's the idea of making a good impression before her already scheduled interview is to freaking guerrilla warfare interview and just showing up. Like my guy, sorry. Anyways, that just pissed me off, Brandon. Ho Chi men style, man. So you got to do it.

They, they really did shoehorn her and Jack into, you know, coming along. And they didn't need to. Jack is fine. Well, Jack didn't have anything. He just, he's. He just showed up and sat on the bench for a while and was reading the pink pages. I feel like we got to be going somewhere with this, though, right? Like, it feels like we're trying to build up to Jack's first love, potentially,

that he's like going out to the bars. Like we're gearing up for Jack's first big, like, love interest plot line. Yeah, I believe so. I don't, I forget the exact specifics, but I'm, I, yes. We're dipping our toes in. We're getting... Yeah. My favorite part of the episode was Dawson getting his come-upance finally with that being the shittiest movie maker in this side of the creek.

I love the hit the whole film festival thing of this was amazing. I loved the girl. What was the girl's name? I forget, but it was the principal's daughter. This college visit episode was pretty wild. but my my absolute favorite was dawson just getting the film festival is great when he comes in and he's like you know dropping off his film and he's talking to nicky who's like working the booth and she's like uh what's your favorite director he goes spillberg and she fucking is like oh okay

one of those yeah you know this is your first time seeing a movie oh that was that was that was really good. Dawson got out pretentious by these Harvard filmmakers and it was like he constantly needs to be reminded that he's not as good as he thinks he is like he is one of the people that needs it. Some people need encouragement. You know, some people need to get lifted up. Dawson is not he's he's lifted himself too high on his own pedestal. He needs reality checked all the time. I love how I love the girl that was laughing at the end of the movie. and then and then he gets up for the Q&A and nobody everybody everybody walked out there's like three people in the in the

and he tries to duck duck down yeah oh wait they're at B you not Harvard oh yeah that's right but the fact that Dawson thought that a Cape side remake of using their lore for the Blair which was going to hit at like a university film festival is just poor decision-making all around. Why did I think they were at Harvard? I don't know, Brandon, but you made us look like idiots this whole time talking about this episode. Thanks a lot. Go terriers. Swinning that hockey, right? Isn't that a big hockey school? Big hockey school. It's where Ryan Whitney went. Hmm.

You know Ryan Whitney. Yeah, yeah, from spitting chicklets. Anyways, these were five more amazing episodes of Dawson. Just I, like, I am a creek head to its fullest. I'm lighting up that. I'm firing up that spoon like you've never seen because I'm such a creek head. We're just, we're just under halfway through. We got, there's 23 total episodes. We just rounded out 10.

We're getting into the thick of things. We're, we're just starting. and Joey the Joey Pacey drama. Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. They're just, they're leaving little, little morsels of Joey and Pacey around. Just, that way you're just salivating for the next one, you know? Season three is a slow burn.

I don't know. I've been loving all these freaking episodes so far.