The Cake Eaters - 129. Dawson's Creek Season 3: Episodes 11-15

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Creek Heads Unite! The boys continue tackling Season 3 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 11-15. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, weird teachers, auroral activity, BnBs, the return of Bodie, Destiny's Child, school plays, and unity murals.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win me! Do you imagine if I actually did vocal warrants? Oh, you want to leave me, but I refuse to let you go. If I have to beg, please for your sympathy, I don't mind because you mean that much to me. Ain't too proud to beg Brandon. Woo! Sweet, darling. that's a that's a solid like morning cooking breakfast as a group song you know what I mean like

you're getting fired up that might be as good as it gets you know really you know like very well chosen I'm glad you thought of that like it's been a long time in the series I feel like since we've had a musical number that really helped the the scene pop you know it's just I will always remember that freaking Edwin McCain Joe Row in the boat and across the creek. Like that is the ultimate television seen in the history of television to me. Like it doesn't get better than that.

That and then when at the end of season one when they play the Sarah McLaughlin song, not once but twice. Amazing. Ever since, ever since crying, you fucking asshole. Ever since Kevin Williamson

left, they're not using music to the full potential. And we did have a, because I mentioned to you, I have a, mentioning to you throughout this season three that Kevin Williamson comes he left and that's why it's a little weird and then I did I mentioned he eventually comes back in the middle of

season three somebody on our Instagram pointed out to me that I'm a I'm a bold-faced liar oh Catherine Peroni thank you for the info so she and I confirmed it just to double check looking online Kevin Williamson doesn't come back to the season finale or the series finale the series finale Damn. So he's so we should expect fireworks then, but until then, just some, just some,

some different feel to the creek. So yeah, he's gone. He's still he, uh, until the end of the very, the last, the two part series finale in season was it six? Um, that's when he comes back. So we're, we're gone without Williamson for a long time. But, um, right around here, I believe is when they fired or maybe it was a couple episodes before this, right around this general area, though, they,

fired the show the new show runner for that was like for the first half of the season and then they got new they got new people in so that's that's why you can kind of sense a little tone shifting and stuff like that and that's why and that's also why it's like wild you know there's weird at least for me there's weird jumps from episode to episode um where they they kind of ignore a couple things that happened in the previous episode um like there's a couple especially with with jen and henry i feel like one episode at the end of one episode at the end of one episode she like swears him off she's done and then he's back the next episode like nothing happened and yeah being weirder yeah it's the jen and henry thing that was my big takeaway from these five episodes it's like i thought we were done you know i thought we were done with this i was i was pretty fired up to be passed it and then it just keep circling the drain back to us and i'm i'm over it i also got pretty fired up thinking andy was finally gone and then she's not going freaking favorites i didn't realize too, Andy in the opening picture, like the, when they do the Dawson's Creek, you know, like I always just think of the core four, you know, when I, when I think about like the opening title scene, but I know, we're, we're core six, baby. Can I ask you, can I be very, very vulnerable with you and our listening audience here and ask there's no way that I'm going to handle this appropriately or maturely, but yeah.

Can I ask you a question that's going to paint me in a very bad light? When he, when Henry was up on the rafters, copying the play they just watched, were you hoping for an Abbey situation where he jumped and died? Good Lord, Brandon. Because I 100% was. I was like, kill this fucking guy off. I was kind of like, okay, everyone. laugh this off, that kid needs to go to the hospital.

And he needs to talk to a professional. He needs to, you know, have the 24 hour, like, watch of like, you've lost your mind, son. Like, we, we need to institutionalize you for 24 hours. Let's get this straightened out. And you need to get your shit together. Yeah. Maybe some antidepressant. He needs, he needs the, he needs the Andy treatment.

We got to ship him to the lini bin. Absolutely. Like he that was not a public display of chivalry. That was a public display of mental illness. Yeah. He he again, he's he's he's he's so fanatical with his love. He's lost his mind. And he he can it shows how he completely misread the play that they watched. Um, uh, was a beer, beer feet. What is the name of the play? It's a real play that they had in there. Bare feet, barefoot on the whatever. Oh, this is, yeah, barefoot at Cape Side. Cape Fest is the episode title.

But the name of the play they do, it's, uh, what is it? It's a real fucking play. I don't know. Yeah, everything about this episode was wild. Andy becoming the assistant director to the school play. That was, well, hold on, hold on. The, the, where you're mashing episodes together. The play.

I thought the. The actual. play isn't until like the is until the valentine's day episode not the valentine's the episode the northern lights episode yeah this is this is where the episode where she signs up to become the associate director right and then pacey yes but that's not the same that's not the that's not the same play they're doing I'm sorry it's it's the same play but they don't do the actual play until the next episode oh gotcha Gotcha. Yeah.

So, yeah. When we were talking about... I'm just commenting on... We were talking about... Henry's associate director. Yeah. But you skip around. But yeah, but you skip around, but then you say same episode, which is very confusing.

Well, Brandon... If you're going to skip... If you're going to skip around, skip around, just don't skip around and then tell me it's the same episode. Don't gaslight me. Don't gaslight me. Don't gaslight me. I just cut your boys some slack, you know? Sorry, I got... something in my eye. I got to do something.

You are quick. Barefoot at Cape Fest is yes, Andy volunteers she has no right to get mad at Pacey for doing the play. Like the dude's trying to get a fucking C plus. Like, well, she gets over pretty quick. As far as Andy goes, she

got over pretty quick. That teacher, dude, the that guy is a real piece of work. Where is this school finding all these teachers? Oh my God. The one guy. from last year who hated Pacey about that guy

that was like a bully Dawson's dad got a job there I'm so suspect about that well that's I mean that kind of tells you all you need to know right they'll just grab any old slub off the street like you know like you you want to start a restaurant doesn't work out

become a teacher we got you remember what was a what was the name of the teacher from the first season that did like detention Mrs. Tingle right and she had her soap operas that that was great I forgot about that I forgot about that

yeah these I don't know where they're getting these teachers but that guy had some real problems too you know like this this principal and dude the the weird lunch that the principal like strong arms Dawson into with his daughter that was weird right well it was a dinner too not just a lunch so was a dinner yeah like like

I don't know that was the whole time I was like well this seems like, you know, well, you know, inappropriate boundaries. So lines are crossed at all times. Reminded me. Remember the, when was the story? I told you when the, my, the two, my two teachers after my mom died, maybe go to lunch with them. Oh my God. That's right. It's the same. Except this time, it's like, hey, I'm a principal. My daughter who's in college doesn't have very many friends. So I'm trying to set her up with

friends. Is that what's going on? I don't know. I think he meant she didn't have any friends here because, you know, she's off in college. Yeah, gotcha. Is she home for the summer? Like, what's her deal? Is she not in college anymore? It's not for the summer, but it might have been, it might have been, it's winter, it's winter break.

Winter break. Yes, because we just had the Thanksgiving episode. So this is right around Christmas time. So yeah, it's got to be winter break. Because the guy that Jack's flirting with, he's back from college too. It's winter break. It's going to be okay. Yeah, and we got Dawson and her jockeying for position to be,

the big director in Cape Side, you know, Principal's daughter. I forget her name. She mentioned, Nikki, she mentions, so she checks out. The girl that plays her's in stuff, right? Like, what she? We talked about this last episode. You would have known her.

She was in, um, saved by the bell. Um, what, what was the, like the spin-off one they did with new kids? College years? She was in, not college, because college years was still them, right? Yeah. Oh, it's a new one. Yeah. I didn't watch that one.

Oh, so that's probably. how you knew her because you're a big save by the bill guy but yeah not the new one dude i'm a grumpy old man i don't watch any of that new shit they fuck it up but she was in that and then she was in uh pretty little liars to you which i don't you would there's no way you watch pretty little luller no no no no no i don't think i did that was that's i'm not built for that show going back to to dc we have we have we have cape fest um speaking to which we we've established it's winter break uh why are we having a camping festival camping music festival in the middle of Massachusetts in wintertime that seems like a bold choice even though it's winter it definitely is

shown spring right like the weather looks fantastic oh it looked it looked amazing that was that was in the in the middle of winter Massachusetts that was a perfect day yeah there that's why I think you're too stuck on that because it's if you get think that the weather is going to be accurately portrayed you know that's just wrong I know just is not they had the the food fighters right is who he's saying was headlining yeah yeah are you headliner yeah jack did know who the foo fire especially food fighters in what 99 2000 2000 fighters that's that's that means you've never turned on a television before in your life yeah yeah I don't

know how jack did know does know what did he say he said uh he asked him I was sure what I wrote this down the the dude and I forget the dude's name to the the dude he's trying to trying to get with asks him uh oh do you like name of name a foo fighter and he gives a crazy name oh he says Courtney love that's what he says he's like why don't you name a foo fighter he's like Courtney love it's like you're in the you're in the ballpark but you're not on the right team or something like that yeah that's yeah i did what did you think about because the principals kind of gives Dawson some shit about, you know, trying to recreate Spielberg movies instead of finding his own creative tone.

All of a sudden, Dawson with the redecoration of his room. Yeah, he redecorates. No more Jaws, no more, no more Spielberg idolizing. He redecorates his room and then he quits film class. Why did he quit? I didn't understand that. It's because he. bombed at the film festival because people keep asking them they're like is this just because you

you fucked up at the film festival and everybody hated it and he's like no no it's not it's because he's because he realized he fucking sucks dawson dude so now he doesn't even have this to fall back on he's just a big cry baby weirdo well it's not this episode but i think it's the next episode when he like um bum rushes Joey at her house at like 1 a.m. And it's like, hey, I don't know who I am anymore. And she's like, you don't think this was going to happen when you tore down the posters

in your room and quit the thing you love the most. You didn't think this was going to happen? The thing that you built your whole personality around, you suddenly have decided that you're not going to do anymore because everyone and like, you know, this is the people around him's fault too, right? This is why you can't always have yes men surrounding you. Dawson had so much smoke blown up his ass about how good his films were, but they weren't, you know? And this is the call to reality that was necessary.

But, you know, he just, he didn't have it. And so now he's like, oh, it's suck instead of people, you know, kind of telling him like, hey, this isn't bad, but it's also not great. So let's not, I think I carried away thinking we're the next. Yes. This is this is the repercussions of somebody who's never received constructive criticism or or any form of feedback Well, I mean there were some there were a lot of this Jen gave him some feedback that it was a teen melodrama He's gotten feedback all of it's been either snarky or from people he doesn't like So he just he just ignored it he never got any constructive criticism from some

somebody that he dress or at least didn't despise yeah I mean that's true but um we got to talk about Jack and and the the college boy at Kate Fest because well first of all whoever stole his camping gear that is a camping festival yeah that's a dick move that's a dick move come on you need to be tired you need to be tart and feathered for that And the people around there not like, you know, watching someone set it up and then watching someone then take it down, like didn't raise any red flags to anyone in the, I don't know, man. That's just, could you imagine if that was the mentality at some of these music festivals, there'd be no more music festivals. So, and then I wanted to point out with Cape Fest, poor Jen, too, because Jack brings. her along.

Oh, yeah. Go make friends? What the fuck? Well, he ditches her first when they're trying to build a tent. He's like, you got this. I'm going to go find, I'm going to go find some dick. I got, you got this, right? Yeah.

And he leaves. And then he comes back and him and the guy pitch in to build the tent. But then once they build a tent, they're like, okay, hit the bricks, honey. Yeah. Go away some friends. Like, if you, why, why,

why bring her if if that's your if you're if that's your goal why why bring her if yes if your plan is gonna be to leave her why bring her he brought her as a crutch for when all of this inevitably fails and that is why he was very much in the wrong for putting her in that situation yeah that was a dick move super she she forgave it so quick to i would a i would I would have held on to that for a little bit. I wouldn't have just threatened to leave. I would have left. I think she did leave, didn't she?

Yeah, she walked around. Like, she didn't like leave, leave, I didn't think. Or did she? She didn't stay the night, did she? Did she stay with Henry? I couldn't remember. I think so?

I don't think she stayed with him. I thought they met right back up in the morning. Well, she went and hung out with Henry for a little bit. I don't know if she stayed with Henry, though. But yeah, but she came back in to, because, to, you know, pick him up in the morning. I don't know if she went back to Grams and slept and then came back or not, but, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

But that, yeah, she went, she went, she went, listen to Henry, uh, serenade the, the woods. There. And then what was it a, everything about him is annoying? Was it a cheeseburger they were making? Veggie burger. Veggie burger. No, because, because he's the most annoying person in the world. you know he's veggie burger guy well he wasn't even make he wasn't even making it he was

just taking he was cat he was the cashie taking credit yeah typical oh yeah i hate i fucking hate him so much he's he's my he's hands down my least favorite character to ever grace the screen on dawson's creek is he in staff did we talk about this last time and i don't remember we've talked about everything you think we haven't talked about we talked we've talked to Okay, shit, sorry. Time has no meaning anymore. Up is down, right is left, you know, it just, what a journey.

Luckily, I bought a house. There you go. It's smart. But no, yeah, he sucks. I think I'm with you, though. I think he's the worst character of all time on the show. Yeah. He's surpassed Andy with this.

Maybe Rob. Maybe Rob. Rob sucks. Yeah. the and and you knew what was anyways we'll talk about the valent i liked a valentine's day massacre episode that was my favorite so let's talk about the next two here because i am keep accidentally well we've we've touched on the northern lights on too that's when they actually do the play um joey has the date or whatever uh with the college guy that they got a question they keep calling him Ivy League. They keep calling him Ivy League. He brings up Ivy League once or twice.

He went they were in Boston, right? We went through this whole thing where we thought they were at Harvard. They were actually at Boston, but then in this episode, they kept saying Ivy League and it was driving me crazy. That's that lack of continuity you were just talking about at the beginning of the episode. I feel like they're trying to gaslight us into thinking Boston's in Ivy League school. I won't have that. I will not have that. Is it because of their Denver hockey rivaling. Exactly. Exactly. Now, the episode in between those two, though, is the

B&B. And I do want to, so in this group of episodes, I said to see off here, in this group of episodes, I got real annoyed with Joey throughout these episodes because she just kept playing, she kept playing the victim and blaming everybody else for everything, especially in this episode, because

honestly, I mean, they weren't ready, obviously, to have a critic of that level to come. Like, that could have, like, sunk the ship if that critic wasn't a lunatic. You think you think Bessie and Joey are ever going to be ready? That's a good point. Is this the episode where Brody comes back? Bodie, yes. Yeah, nice.

And I, yeah. Yeah, Body. That's what I said. You said Brody. No, because that's what I have in my notes. But, yeah, Body. Boney Coat Beckie mentions the bank calls her a single mom

and then she mentions that to Joe she tells Joey I've been begging Bodie to come back every weekend but we can't afford it so he's off working somewhere I'm guessing right? Yeah I he's probably yeah he's probably sugepping maybe a sousheffing

in Boston. This is the first episode we've seen him since what like episode five of season one when they had the baby. I think there was Well, and I think that like this is just an example of them doing a poor job of explaining why he was gone for so long, right? Because like that's a real, like them shipping him off to a different location to work seems. And like lose like never talking or visiting. Like that seems insane to me.

Yeah. Yeah. This is fair. It's a retroactive thing because I think they just, they just didn't want to. write any i think the i think what happened was after after they had the baby they were like well we don't really have anything for this character like we don't need him so they just let him fade away into the background and then it came around here and they were like oh shit maybe we should you know maybe we should retroactively say something um but yeah but bode's back

cooking pancakes like a fucking champ but i wanted to see this this this whole stretch of episodes actually was a beacon on how good of a friend uh, Pacey is. Yeah. And how terrible a friend's everybody else is.

Like the shit that Pacey did for Joey over the summer because Dawson asked him to look out for. And now granted he's doing the main motivation for him doing that is because he's in love with Joey. But it's still, he's still, an amazing fucking friend. Not to mention he's a fantastic friend

for, he's been a fantastic friend for Dawson. He did the same thing to Dawson. Yeah, like he, like all the stuff that he did for Joey, he's always gone above and beyond for Dawson. And even Jen, right? Like when him and Jen had that little spell, even though they don't like each other very much. He would be a fantastic friend ahead.

Granted, he does make weird little like mistakes because he's not the, you know, he's not created at that thinking everything through. So he does mess up quite a bit. but the intention and the care is always there. And we learn in episode 15 that he doesn't know necessarily. His heart is in the right place, but his execution and thought process are usually not.

Exactly. Yeah. He messes up on the execution sometimes, but the thought process is always there. Like he has a big heart for sure. Yes. And every, and he's very, he thinks he cares. and thinks of the other one the other friends when they have never once cared about anybody but

besides themselves especially dawson especially dawson um it's just yeah i haven't i wrote in my notes like the but joey too right like joey's so busy being oppressed that she doesn't even realize oh dude so she so she says so right so she's so first of all pacey is the one who made the the renovations happen right yeah he and so but then she so she flips the whole Once it doesn't work out perfectly exactly how she thought it was right away, she instantly, Joey instantly starts blaming Pacey. And she says,

she blames Pacey and she says, Pacey single-handedly encouraged this pipe dream. She says, you go around encouraging people that don't deserve to be encouraged, talking about her sister. Yeah. Which is a wild, which is just unbelievable to say,

after they just had a restaurant that seemed somewhat successful. Well, and then you find out later in the episode that the being, the reason the B&B was a quote unquote pipe dream is because it was their mom's dream that she had since they, you know, forever. And that, and then Joey mentions that her biggest goal in life was to recreate that dream for her mom. Yeah. At that point, I'm like, okay, he single-handedly encouraged your pipe.

type dream the dream you've had for your whole entire fucking life you can't blame him for that even if it crashes and burns you can't blame him for being like you know what you should do you should follow your heart and your dreams yeah you'd be like what a what a terrible fucking friend yeah like being yeah it the the the bnbee episode uh joey was annoying the crowd with me because she kept playing the victim um she kept telling bessie i'm only 16 you know i do you i can't do anything but I have to do everything and it's like oh my god shut up and Bessie made a good point you know for somebody who doesn't want to help you're helping an awful lot either you know either help or don't help but don't fucking guilt trip me all the way through yeah yeah

you don't have to like yeah just don't be a dick about it exactly she was being a fuck Joey was being a goddamn dick in this episode it was driving me crazy oh man it was was um, Pacey the handyman loved it. Like that's it. What doesn't that guy do? You know? Not only did he help you, he helped you do the renovations. He helped you, you know, you know, flourish this idea.

And then he's fucking mopping and doing the heat for you too. Yeah. HVAC is not easy for a six, 17 year old kid, you know. No. No. And he boss, he botched it, but you know. Yeah. That's what happens when you have a 17 year old kid doing your HVAC.

Yeah. You know? Like that's. Oh, man. But I did, the thing that I loved the most, I think about all these episodes, except for that last episode, his, when he, um, got in that fight, that was just the dumbest fight you could get into. But like, the, the way they, like, gas up Pacey is being, like, what they do for his character and make you, like, love Pacey. I was all here for it, you know? And this was, this was, like I said, this is a primary example.

These, the stretch of episodes was great for, was, is great for Pacey. Yeah, because he just looks like a great friend. And the teasing of the Pacey, Joey, I thought they did it really well, you know, like they keep teasing it up and then they, it just keeps getting, you know, he like like he should, he is going to get in his own way with it. Yeah. Um, I also thought the, the talk between him and Dawson's dad when he's chopping wood and Dawson's dad is like, you know, people. people should be appreciating you more because you're you know because he sees how good of a friend pacey is and pace he's just worried because he's he's you know botching everything and fucking it up yeah he's what does he say i have the opposite of a midas touch yeah yeah that's i mean i always felt like that

i always joke that i was murphy's law in high school is like man if it's going to accidentally go wrong it's probably because i was involved yeah but i i enjoyed that that talk that Mr. Leary has with him where he's, you know, trying to, you know, gas him up a little bit.

Yeah. And I liked, I liked Jack's farewell to Graham's and Jen when he said he's got, he's going to move back for Andy kind of help. Yes. Get her situated. I thought that was really nice. Like the way he delivered,

the way it was delivered, like it was an authentic, like, unlike the interaction with his dad in the season two or whatever, I thought that this really landed like Jen, Graham's. Jack when he was saying goodbye saying thank you for being there at a time when I know where to go like that was nice I thought that was nice yeah I thought it was nice too

and I think it's good that he's back with with Andy um because she needs it Lord have mercy she's all she's all she's all by herself right now the fact that she tried to get suspended over a practice test is just mind blowing to me it's like why would you cheat like that on a practice test it's just it's anyway there's there's there's only only bad things can happen when you cheat on with her cheating on the practice test yeah like getting that doing that well on the practice test doesn't really i mean it gets you it's the it gets his eyeballs it gets you eyeballs yeah um but like you know but you but it doesn't get you the thing um

And God forbid, and getting caught cheating on a practice test is just as if it's getting caught cheating on a regular test, you know. So yeah, her thought process with that whole thing was was totally misguided. I'm glad she finally quit the disciplinary committee, you know. Andy, if it wasn't for Henry being such a piece of work, Andy would be the number one worst character in the show. she's yeah this stretch she wasn't too bad I didn't I didn't hate her but that the the first like you know the first 10 episodes of the season was real rough mainly because they they were just they were trying to get her away from Pacey without making Pacey look bad so they made her look fucking terrible yeah yeah I have a question because I wrote down

Jen's story was her smell was mothballs right and she goes hold on hold on let me explain and she then she tells a story of the school she was at New York the plays they would do all the costumes and everything was in this one closet and she would go into the closet and like wrap herself in the clothes is the way she told that story I was like, is she, is she just, is she just sitting in a closet by herself for like hours? Is she just, I mean, just, just sitting in there covered in mothballs? I didn't, yeah, I guess I didn't really think about it. It was, yeah, I just, what a, poor Jen, what a, what a, what a life just, where the, your best memory is sitting.

sitting in a dirty closet by yourself. Yeah. I didn't. I just, I didn't even process her story. I didn't process until I watched the episode the second time. And I was like, what is she fucking talking about?

That's, that's a weird thing to be, you know, fired up about. It was, yeah, because it was, it was just weird.

Because everybody else's stories was like, like Dawson's parents' stories was about when they, like, first met and they were you know fucking on which island all the time and then um um jen's grandma was it just about the the the firewood and uh her husband what was jacks was the the fruit juice at summer camp um dawson's was the chemical for film joey's and bessies was uh mom's bacon that's where you get the bean the she always wanted us do a b and b b story what was uh oh pacy's was snow looking at it snow that's what it was it was yeah and the g i jens was i used to sit in a closet yeah yeah yeah but so that overhearing that story is what uh

and then the breakfast the next morning is the the sealed the deal for the b and b guy yeah he loved it i loved that i loved how so pacy pacie hot or not hires them but pacy gets him to come uh you know write a review or whatever for the new york times and then he gets in there uh to the front desk when he first shows up and uh joe's like oh hey how can i help you and he answer his card and he goes uh i'm with uh b and b quarterly which that was wild that there's a bed and breakfast quarterly anyways all right northern lights um

pacy's acting debut it doesn't go off well right like he kind of bombs at first and then he thinks he's gonna bomb then he gets up there he that's right and then he just he freezes for like two seconds but then he fucking crushes yeah he's like Lauren Hill at the end of

sister act too you know exactly dude I've been watching so much TV. It's unhealthy amounts of TV taking care of this baby. So we're back to DC. We got, uh, Andy. Andy takes over as full-time director when that fucking lunatic director who's a kidney stones. Is that what he said? Yeah, to be fair, I've heard, um, you know, I had a buddy who passed a kidney stone when I was living in North Carolina and, you know,

rough stuff. But, um, but so yeah, Andy takes over, Pacey Crush, is it. Joey doesn't show up to to Pacey's opening night. She doesn't show up until the after party because she's dating the Ivy League fucking snooze job. Talk about, talk about a character that has zero charm or personality. That dude is boring as fuck. Yeah. He's, uh, he's not, he's not likable. When, when you're at a party and you're drinking and he goes, oh, this is a weird

drink. This is what, what did he say about? He started talking. about the bow for whatever the fuck that book is just what a fucking nerd dude just uh he is a typical pretentious but hole that didn't get into ivy league that thinks he's ivy league you know yeah again he goes to boston might as well might as well go to fucking chattahoochee community college well and it's hard to like that dork when we got when it's you know we're cheering for pacey you Yes. And so we've got this loser, like, coming back.

I thought we were done with this guy and all of a sudden he circles back. They got to quit bringing some of these people that I don't like back. Like, Henry should be done already for this season. You know, Andy could have left her at the crazy palace, you know? They really need to consult you more. I know. The show has been out for 25 years, but they should have, they should have talked to me. I would have been able to help them.

I got two, three things. Actually four things. I got four things on this episode before we can skip and move on. First. The next one's good, Valentine's Day massacre. Yeah. First thing's first. Poor Graham's.

She gets lumped into being in the third wheel. What a dick move by Jen. Didn't even tell her. Two, this reminded me how much I need a basketball hoop within, within a close distance of me now. how much I need it again watching Casey like work through his

you know his thinking process and all that before the thing while shooting hoops I used to do that all the time I don't think I especially now with Bluetooth headphones dude shoot there there are there's two places where you will get the best ideas you've ever had in the world

one is in the shower and the other is just shooting hoops at least for me dude I'm telling like like having to do that while you got a dissman or like now that you can get some Bluetooth headphones and you can like put the thing in your pot the giant thing in your pocket yeah and they have it skip every tip like every time you shoot it skips and just yeah try to anyways um yeah that's that's on my

list for when i move is i need a fucking i need a basketball hoop within walking distance we have in our new place there's a lot of parks within striking distance one of which has like new state of the aren't pickleball courts. There's got to be a couple hoops in there, too, right? Like, they feel like there's always a basketball hoop with pickleball courts. I don't know. I don't know.

I think they're getting rid of basketball hoops for pickleball courts. Yikes. Yeah. People that play, Kelly's like, Keith, you can play pickleball, but, you know, nothing against it, right? But I feel like I just, like, I need to make sure that if I'm pickleballing, these people are casual, you know? If they start to get serious, I'm going to get mad.

and then, you know, like, if, you know what I mean? Like if they start to piss me off for annoying me, then everyone's going to have a bad time. You just want casuals. You got, yeah, you got to be real careful. So I, two things, two more things. I still have two other additional things. Oh, sorry, sorry. But two things pickleball related.

One, I was in high school, I was a pickleball district champion. Yes, that's fantastic. Incredible. Congratulations. I had not played since then though And then when I was in Atlanta with Danny Danny and his now wife got real big into pickleball Yeah so I did uh I went and did like a you know like a Wednesday night you know round whatever with them and um As a pickleball district champion I got wiped dude they those motherfuckers were so good and it was all it was like it was all like 55 year old couples and they were just backspin

destroying me dude uh i was on like because it was one of those where like you play and then when you know the two winners moved to the next one and two losers moved down that kind of thing i was at the bottom the entire time i won i won like three i think i did it like four or five weeks with them i won like three hey at least you won three yeah there than one but i went in there and i was like because i told danny i'm a fucking district champion i got the i have the certificate if you want fucking see it um i was like i don't want to i don't want to embarrass anybody here and then i ended up getting embarrassed incredible incredible stuff but so what are the two other things the two other things about this episode one uh yeah one is uh one is a joke one is super serious this the joke one is

there's a point in the episode where i think she's joey's talking to i think dossin or maybe it's pacey it's one of the two she's talking to one of them and she uses the because they're trying to find she's trying to find the northern lights with this guy, right? She uses the phrase, a rural activity, which I thought was a wild phrase. Wild phrase. Yeah.

So I just wanted to remember that part. Oh, yeah. I clocked it because I was like, what a fucking, what a phrase, a rural activity. Nice. I mean, we've all been there, right?

And then the fourth thing, the fourth thing, the super serious thing is because, Joey not do we not go into the thing reminded me of this the best advice that I've ever gotten in my entire life and I'll pass it on to all these all of the three people that are listening to this episode shout up and yourself Heath the best the best advice I've ever gotten life is to support your friends if you yeah if your friend has a concert if your friend has a play if your friend has an art exhibit if your friend you really you are really good about that

Yes. If your friend has, if your friends do anything. I have had this conversation, actually. Sorry to interrupt, but like you are a good friend. Like Kelly and I have had this conversation. Whereas like we've always said, like, you know, Brandon is an incredibly good friend because you are that person. Like you will always show up for stuff. And that's nice, you know.

And it's also incredibly funny that I've accidentally like followed you to places like unintentionally. You know what I mean? Like just out of the note. It's like, oh, cool. were accidentally following each other around. If you end up in Omaha, that would just be incredible. You know, like, that would be incredible, honestly. Like, it would just be, that would be something else.

Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. But, like, that's, yeah, it's, hearing you say that was just, I was like, oh, okay. Like, this philosophy is why, like, it's like, okay, this makes sense why Kelly and I are always like, well, Brandon's just a good friend. Like, of course Brandon's there. Yeah. It's because short of to those things, they. they will remember that more than like i i i'm definitely i'm definitely not the best friend to talk to i'm not a terrible person to talk to you but i'm not your i'm not your a choice when you're

trying to go you know walk through things um and i you know there's a my friendship has a lot of holes but that is one that i i absolutely try to to be paramount of is to when your friends have something that they're passionate about and there's some sort of event just go to it you does support it you know like I've been to I've been to quite a few air guitar competitions you know it's just shit like that people people remember it yeah I love that and it's it's a very easy way to you know in print like like you like you like you like you like I said my friendship has a lot of holes in it but that like the perfect friend to me like you know because like if you're you

know like if you could you I could you imagine if I need you to like text me all the time or like you know more than just if you like that's too much if you need if you need communication and or favors I'm out I'm done I'm not your guy I'm not I'm never going to help you move that's that's out of the question wouldn't want it yeah um like that stuff not gonna do but you know if you you know if you painted something and it's at an event I'm in I'm then I'm there yeah like like if I'm like one a plus one to go back to chicken days you You know, or, you know, or roll into college world series,

going to wrestling. Yeah. Like, it's just like random, like all the, all the good stuff. But anyways, yeah,

that's a good. Yeah. It's, it's, it's the best advice I've ever, I've ever received is to support your friends because it's, it's a very,

very easy thing that they will remember. Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. That's a, that's a nice thing to end on, Brandon. That's almost,

it makes me a little uncomfortable, because normally you're not very nice version. I was talking to you It came up at work the other day because the lady I sit by I love her She's amazing

But we were talking And She I figured exactly what she said But it was very similar to you They reminded me of you When you were like I'm a nice person

And I had to remind you You're not a nice person You're polite You're cordial You have manners but you're not nice. And it was very similar to her. She said something of like,

I'm a very nice and caring coworker. And I was like, no, you're not. You're, you know, you're helpful and you're, you're polite, but you're not nice. I'm kind.

Someone said that to me. And I was like, that's kind of an accurate. Like a coworker was like, you know, you're, you're kind, but you're not nice.

Yeah, yeah. That's a great way to put it. You're kind, but you're not nice. Yeah. So that's how, I'll tell it was with the lady I said like, she was very similar.

She was like, I'm so nice. And I was like, you're not, you're not nice. You're kind. Yeah. Savage's. All right. All right. So we got to get to Valentine's Day massacre because this, my, I got super, like, I couldn't

even take notes because like I was just watching, you know, and I just halfway through the episode, I was just unhinged episode. That's what I went down. It's like, this is just a wild episode. So we get Jack's ex-girlfriend coming to visit. And this poor girl is, and they called it out in the episode. She is absolutely, there's no teenage girl in the world that would not get a complex from going two for two on boyfriends. Wow.

Three for three. Dawson. Dawson botching girls being into him I loved how I loved how he was he's wearing red fingerless gloves and he's like I'm not gay what do you talk about as he's like yeah it's this Dawson Dawson is just so annoying

well she she she brought Evelyn is the character's name. She brought up very, very good points where she was like, you know what? Maybe you should, instead of talking to the girl about kissing her, maybe you should just kiss her. Yeah. For someone that was blackout barf drunk, she gave great advice. Yes.

Yeah. You know, like really sound advice. And, you know, honestly, I thought that was a very well done like story. Because like what 16 year old girl that just got broken up? that's going to a big party isn't going to get wasted like that. Like that was fantastic. So this was another episode where I was super annoyed with Joey. She's just so self-righteous and uppity about anybody doing anything else.

Like they're, we're going to a, we're going to a party. Why would you not think we're going to drink you fucking idiot? Well, and yeah, well, and she's a bit self-righteous is the problem, right? Yeah. It's the I'm better than you attitude because she's not drinking. Yeah. It's like if you, it's okay if you don't want to, but don't give, you know, a hard time to the high school kids that do. Or be shocked.

And you went to a party. Not just a, not just a party. A party on a golf course. Like a rager. You don't think there's going to be drinks there. Like that wasn't just a chill party either. Right? Like that was a full on.

rager to the point that the cops were scoping it out because it's that that was very accurate depiction the cops and way in america are doing the exact same thing if they did they're it did take it out it did take the cops a long while to get there which you for yeah that's well you know a golf force in the open you know for the t for the tv show they needed it to go on for a little while but you know like the cops and way would have done the same thing they would to let that party get to its max capacity and then swooped in and made the papers with how many minor in possessions. MIPs they would have been dished out, you know, that would have been that would have been that would have been a real, you know, gold star on those kinds of, you know, there's, we had a lot

of beef with the cops. I never, I never got an MIP. Never once. Me neither. Shocking. Dude, I told, I've told you, I had like a seventh sense where like I could just like a bloodhound. I could I could sniff the trouble coming and I would just vanish into thin air. It felt those pigs. Oh, dude, I could just smell that bacon firing on that ground. I should, I should be nicer. Some of the cops were very nice, especially in college. I think I've said on the pod, like the walk back from the bar to my apartment was behind the cop shop.

They all knew my parents. So sometimes if I was just needed a second to recuperate on the. the three block walk home. I just park it on the curb and they'd be driving their patrol cars back. I'd be like, Keith, you good? And I'd like, keep her moving. It's making sure I don't barf in the alley. Sounds like a lot of white privilege there, Heath.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been to, you've been to Wayne. Yeah. Everyone knew who I was. Cops said knew who I was. They knew that if they would have done anything, it would have been so much worse. like my mother would have murdered me

they would have had to take my mother away for murder and they didn't want to do that yeah um back to back to the episode they they go to the party um again this is another great

uh example of pacey being a fucking sick ass friend to have because he figures out where the party is yeah he like really helps get him in and he weasles their way in yeah yeah jack was the one who got the password But he got the password because Pacey was like, hey, you need to get us into this, like, be on the lookout, be on the hunt. Yeah.

Yeah. I know kung fu. I know kung fu. So they get the cops busted. Dougie, our good friend Dougie throws him. They leave him in the drunk tank overnight. Yeah. Dicks.

Well, I mean, you know, what do you think was going to happen? right true yeah like he he's on the night shift so he's not gonna like take him home and god you know he knows you know he know who pacy's parents aren't coming yeah and then this is where fucking henry over donates blood to pay for his valentine's day gift like an idiot and then obviously is that you know he needs some gatorades he needs some cookies he needs some real nash before he goes on his date obviously just

you know real mouth practice from the doctor you can't let a 15 year old talk you into doing something that is not good for so especially that with that creepy the creepy talking gave her yeah it wasn't it wasn't convinced that was not convincing that should have been like hey sorry you can't be a little weirdo but like you'll pass out do you want to enjoy the date i say i would have been not only am i not going to let you donate blood again i'm gonna i'm gonna send a cop over to watch that date just to make sure everything's on the yupp and up. You're about to get you a police escorted off of the premises,

dude. Like, unbelievable. Yeah. Fucking Henry. That guy sucked. He's so creepy. So creepy.

Yeah. But, you know, Jen, for some God forsaken reason falls for it. Her and Henry just goshing on some jello for their first date. Real romance. Between that and the jello shop,

though, the jellows shots, I really, it did make me crave jello. I was like, should I go to Walmart and get some jello? I know jello reminds me at home. Big Mike loves, you know, some nice to do. We'll get some black cherry jello going.

Some steak and potatoes and black cherry jello. I haven't had. I haven't had jello in a non-shot form in decades. It's good. It's worth it. My mom makes these incredible, like, dish, with like jello but it's like she adds like pan pineapple and like whipped cream or ice cream like the 1950s yeah oh yeah dude well yeah that's it's her mom's recipes and she's still dude my mom

makes like old school and they they it's it's the funniest thing now because they're called salads there right and but like they say snicker salad and it's literally whipped cream snickers and apples And it's and so the joke that always pisses my mom off. She's like, what kind of salad do we want? And I was like, I'll take a Caesar. Because like if you say an actual salad, that's not what she's talking about. The Midwest, man. Midwives, what a journey.

All right, anyways, we got to keep going on this episode. Well, done. But before we skip to the next one, this is when Pacey has his blow up. drunk pacey has this blow up on them on on uh joey and dawson and it's saying what everybody's thinking where it's like they're not good friends history get off the pot you know are we are we are we lovers or are we not you got there's no ross and rachel am i right make up your mind so i can decide if i want to make a move or not you know yeah i'm trying to brocode here but because you're such a pansy if i like if i try to

to approach you about like hey i might like joey you know dawson is going to be like no i'm still in love with her you can't do that you know even though it's uh dude pacey pacey and joey are a much better fit i feel like you know yeah yeah they definitely are you know like dawson's too weird and pretentious for joey she needs salt of the earth kind of you know rough and tumble pacey both Dawson and Joey constantly play the victim. And you can't, you can't have two of those people in the same relationships. You both can't be victims. Yeah.

And that's a good point because that's what they keep running into, right? It's like they can't stay together because one of them is always the victim. But to be fair, Joey was and her family was the victim of Dawson holding them hostage with the knowledge that her dad is smuggling drugs. So, you know, I'm like, that's, that's, I don't know. I just anyways, I agree. That has not come up again ever, which is wild. I would think it would be a bigger deal.

I would, if even just in a joking manner, I would be playing that car constantly. Well, you threw my dad in federal prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember when you dimed out my family? Yeah. If we were the actual mob, you'd be dead. You and your parents. Yeah.

Okay, with crime and punishment. We got school murals. Oh, dude. Fist fights. So can I be a dick for a second? Oh, God. When are you not? According to AI, I guess it's, it's, you're right.

All the time. Oh, come on. Okay, got a plus one. Cat Jessie is trying to join the pod. Okay, let's get, let's get, Katjessie, get ready for this Donatello take. Okay, so yes, it's too bad that Joey's painting got destroyed. But it wasn't very good, right?

Like, was it, was it a good, did she do a good job? I didn't think she did a good job. It wasn't bad. I feel like it missed the mark on the assignment, though, right? no I think it nailed I think the message you nailed it because I wasn't certain until the speech she gave when she gave the speech I was like okay I get where she's coming from because the the symbol that she drew was the symbol it's the symbol for possibilities or possibility and that's she was saying that's the only thing we have in common is that we you know anything everything is still possible yeah which I I get it it wasn't bad it was very the The art style was very safe and very, you know, it was something you would see hanging in a P of Chang's. Yeah. You know.

Yeah. And just, and I, that's what I said. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but like, it wasn't for me. It didn't deserve to be destroyed or like, you know, that was mean. That's not nice to, you know, like, that's really, you should never embarrass someone. Right. Like that should you should never embarrass someone, but that wasn't a good picture. It just wasn't for me.

I mean, it was better than the the girl's fucking lame-ass lighthouse. I love the lighthouse, good lighthouse. Yeah, but Joey brought up a good point where you're in a school that's on the fucking, it's on the cape. Yeah. Everybody's going to be doing a fucking lighthouse. I guarantee you there was 15 lighthouses in that fucking hallway. Well, I guess this is just a lesson for everyone that you should not be neat like Joey. You should conform and do a fucking lighthouse.

This is a, this is a PSA for conformity, Brandon. Painting the lighthouse for your unity mural at your Cape Side high school would be as if you were in Wayne America and you're like, you know what? I'm going to paint the water tower or water tower. I'll say just corn. I'm going to paint some corn. Everybody loves corn. or if you were if you grew up in colorado and you were like you know you know what i'm going to do mountains you know everybody everybody those fucking mountains i don't know man a little picture of the water

tower maybe with some fields in the background getting the corn and the water tower in there i'd vote for it we're not we're not we're not voting for these these are my favorite picture that i've ever taken was of the water tower with the water tower snapchat filter There you go. It was so good. Real meta. Ridiculous. Um, but yeah.

So her, her painting gets vandalized by just. What's his name? I forget his name because he was just pissing me off the whole time. But it doesn't. Cauffield, Matt Caulfield. But it,

so the principal was completely unfair, right? Like, what do you mean? Like, he expels. him for messing up her painting which like you got to remember he's a repeat offender okay he was so so but like I don't know I just he cheated he cheated on a test at the beginning of the episode that's why the he was in there uh discipline and in that meeting

the principal was like why the fuck are we always talking with you you know why I guess that's true I guess that's true it just felt like because like Andy it was proven and I don't know it it didn't feel like completely fair judgment but maybe it's because i wasn't fully paying well he's he's definitely given andy the you know benefit of the doubt although he said give me a few days so i don't know he's not going to expel her but he could fucking he could you know suspender do something um but i was okay with him expelling the kid because he's a he's a repeated fender and he um i mean he's a real dick in that meeting like he is a real Dick.

Oh yeah, he said, I forget exactly what he was answering, but, uh, he was basically, he was basically, you know, well, that piece that was way over the line. Pacey, there's no need to, no need to fight him. Yeah. Yeah. Especially the, the, the, the, the way he did it was, was weird. Yeah, he could. It was like, honestly, it was like, it was written by someone who's never been in a high school fight before. Yeah. All of that. was a sick dodged orango that guy was driving christmas present christmas present but he he had an answer in that meeting i forget what he was answering but he was basically like i'm rich i'm white uh go fuck yourselves and so that i think that's why the principal was like okay we got we got to we got to try

to nip this this this what you know this this this arrogant thing in the bud he keeps thinking he can do whatever he wants i mean he is going to be a menace in college just an absolute menace i don't he's getting into Dartmouth now he got expelled no no but he'll go to community college somewhere state school I don't know he still be a menace he did say his he said do you know who my dad is his dad my his dad his dad'll probably get him into Dartmouth yeah dude just paid for a new you know an update in one of the libraries yeah or worse yet I'll probably go to Boston that that dude has B you written all over him dude all over

what a what a fucking terrier you're ridiculous it was just but we like I wish they wouldn't have made pacey overreact to this because they did such a good job of like because it was like the first time I feel like in two seasons he's felt a little unlikable it's like just well he just this isn't it was it's like if you're gonna he you went about it all the wrong way yeah the way he he walks up to him at the lunch table and he's like uh you better apologize or i'm gonna fucking kill you i was like okay okay pace let's fucking let's dial it back here a little bud yeah yeah homicide homicide over a high school painting he he didn't say I'm gonna kill you I

that was that was the message he was given but um yeah but then he but then he he confronts him at the Dodge Durango in the parking lot and he he almost got his ass kicked he was losing that fight for a while yeah you can't can't be that's rule number one right never go into a fight you can't win yeah but yeah well that's why he got him at the at the Durango and said at the lunch table because he had all had all his buddies there at backup yeah but yeah I agree him fighting him was a bit much uh we could have done without that but it's you know hothead pacy you know freaking pacey and he moves in with Doug well yeah because he gets kicked out

for for the for for fighting and then for the his sister moves in with her two kids after she leaves her husband yeah she leaves her husband moves in puts the kids and hit in pacey's room and then yeah um but i you know i think it was a little more i think it was a little more of his parents just being like dude you know you know minor in possession overnight in the drunk tank and then you're getting in uh well you didn't get suspended right but he got you know getting in a fight at school how would you hit go go the bricks yeah i'm glad duck took him in though that was nice yeah nice to dug also i'm glad dug put his foot down dude if he's gonna take the time to arrange his CDs you know alphabetically i i loved that so much

i loved how they cut they cut to him and he was like you know standing them straight back up and then he goes if you if you if you use my cd play you're going to put them back in alphabetical order last name not first name which i appreciate because that's how i organize my my vinyl's his last name my first name um but yeah and then he's got all his uh his apartment looked pretty tight you know this little bachelor pad yeah yeah sick bachelor pad i'm assuming he has i bet his cd collections great i bet it's diverse well we we established he's a big he's a big fan of the you know the R&B ladies he's a yeah ladies of the that's what he's listening to you in the in the cop car when Pacey pulls up and then uh and then he he mentions because

pacy spills his his heart to him when he's in the drunk tank about you know being a love with the with Joey um I'm in love with the stripper you got it you want it unbelievable you would call Joey your stripper but Doug Dougie brings up a good point where he's like you know these these R&B ladies might have a thing or two to say about a broken heart you know could help you out here it's good stuff

dude you know Mariah Carey maybe so you go a little some Whitney back then dude Whitney some you know classic Eretha you know yeah dude

some Lauren Hill. Oh, dude, fucking love. You know, Sister Act 2, Starlet. This is what, is,

is this too soon for Destiny's Child? When did Destiny's Child hit? It would have been around this time because I went to the Survivor concert in 2001. Okay, yeah. Ish, I think. Yeah, 2000, yeah, say my name was 1999.

So yeah, this is prime Destiny's Child, dude. Yeah, yeah, we, yeah, it's a good time. First concert. Bills, bills, bills, also 1999. Well, to pay my bills, September telephone bills, same my automobiles, and then some other bills. I don't think you do. So you and me are through.

But I need to go back and listen to some more Destiny's Child. These were fucking. There were some early bangers. Jumping, jumping. That was also in 1999. Jumpin, jumping. Ladies, leave you made it home. The club is full of ballers and their pockets full grown.

And all your fellas leave a girl with a friend because it's 1130 and the club is jumping, jumping. Yes, girl, got a man something in the club and say what, what? That's not the words, but you know, you know me. I like to go on vibes. But, dude, writing on the wall was, that's the 1999 album. and then Survivor 01 album. Amazing.

Both amazing. Amazing albums. And shout out to Destiny's Child for going to Sioux City, Iowa in the Survivor Tour, you know? What a stop. What a stop, dude. Where'd they, what arena? Did they play an arena or where'd they play? It was in the Tyson Event Center.

The Tyson Chickens. Yeah. Yes. Yes. The Tyson plant. Very prominent there. There's one in a big chicken plant in Wakefield. It's still called the Tyson Events Center as well.

Yeah, yeah. Who's the current? Do the Sioux City Musketeers play there, right? Yeah, junior hockey musketeers. And then you also have the Sioux City Bandits, the indoor football team. Yep, yep. Not arena, not arena football. indoor football the old musketeers logo was sick what was the old one i see the new one i don't know

it might still be the same but it was like a hockey puck like it was like a three musketeer but a hockey puck oh no this is a newer one uh this is like a it's like a dude it's a musketeer dude's head on a shield oh no yeah cross swords that must be an updated one let me see if i can pop Yeah, I think I have. Did I have it? Oh, I fucking see it now. That's amazing. Right?

Isn't it sick? I had a crew neck with that on it. I wore it constantly. So their old, old logo before that was also pretty sick. It was a, it's a roundel with, you know, the tri-states. And then it has three swords and they cross right at Sea City. It's pretty clever. Oh, nice.

Yeah, it's a tri-state area. That's what they call it. But yeah, this little. This is where Nebraska, Iowa. one South Dakota all meet. Yeah, this little musketeer, this little puck with a musketeer hat is amazing, though. Right? Is it, it's almost like clippy, but it's like a musketeer puck.

Oh, crazy. Dude, imagine youthful Heath with a sick crew neck with that on it. Sick, crick. What's the, is it the, is it the Lancers? Is that the, uh, the Omaha junior hockey team? I think so Are you gonna be You gonna do some season ticks to the Lancers dude

No dude we're doing supernovas all day I can do both what's a supernova season tickets gotta be what five bucks I think they're pretty cheap especially because we'll do kids club Kids Club Yeah dude kids club you get cheap tickets and then they You know they get you with the cheap kids ticket And then they get you with the adult ones but Yeah the nice the Lancers are still

there they're at uh liberty first credit union arena nice nice located at ralston that'll be uh that's ways away we're northwest we're northwest just interesting just yeah but yeah we're super nervous we're on the uh we're on the cusp of all the rich people areas um but we are in omaha proper so we pay less taxes which is nice um but anyways yeah i feel like I I was hoping that Andy had gotten suspended or expelled just so that we didn't you know I thought it was the end I thought it was a Andy game over Andy I should have known better no we still got a lot you're in that opening title sequence a lot of Andy a lot of Henry left yeah we got we got we're gonna make it

all the way through the season we got Bodie back though yeah I'll be curious to see if he plays any kind of part moving forward. I don't know. It's pretty minor. We'll see. We've got what? 23, four,

five, six, seven, eight more episodes, Heath, eight more to go. Damn. What a journey.

What a season, you know, what, it really has been good. Valentine's Day Massacre was good, even though you could, as soon as Henry was given blood to kick off the show. It's like,

oh, so he's obviously going to pass a, out during the date, you know. Shrodinger, what is it? What's the gun theory? I don't know. I was going to say Schrodinger, but that's the cat. Yeah, yeah.

The one that's in the box, is it dead or whatever? Is it Pavlov's gun? What is it? I thought Pavlov was the one with like the reward. Yep, you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about. yeah you're sound like such an idiot check off's gun that's what it is

check off's gun oh like Star Trek I've been watching some of the original series it's a oh I love love the original theory or the original series uh there's a new like there's a new one on paramount uh Paramount plus that's out um there's no way it's good that hasn't been good since next generation did you watch Picard that was a good that was a good one

No, Brandon, I told you. You should watch Picard. Watch Picard. Reaching my old grumpy stage. I watch the original series. I watch the original movies. And I watch Next Generation series and movies. That's it.

That's it. Wesley Crusher. You know, I'm a big movie guy. You would be a Crusher fan. You fucking Donatello. Come on. Who would not want to be Wesley Crusher in next generation, Brandon? And that's crazy.

I don't want to be that Nepo, baby oh my check off chukhov's gun though he's anti chukhov do you know what it is you don't even know what it is you don't I don't know number one I don't know number two I don't care number three

why don't you go why don't you go have a lot of guns something else what that doesn't you're not even you're not even making sense at this point I do have to make or making some some veggie chili for Cal you're such a Donatello dude what's it right dude she's a

What am I supposed to do? I make and cook up, fry up some hamburger to put in mind. And we box it up after I'm done cooking it. I can't with your darn tell on this, man. It's too much. It's too much. Dude, Dawson's Creek is such an incredible teenage drama show. I am so glad that I waited.

I know I've said a million times, but like, I'm so glad that I never in my life watch this until we started doing it for the show because it's just, dude, it's been an incredible watch. All these, even like the episodes where you kind of hit the law in it, they're still good, you know,

like there's still somewhat moving the story along. I would love, I can't wait for us to get rid of Henry. I feel like Jen needs a better love interest. You know, I just, that's the thing is like I feel like they're doing an injustice to Jen and her character by having Henry B.

Yeah, she just she deserves better than this fucking weird love sick dork, you know, like get get him out of here. He's just get a real get a real you know she needs a real strapping young lad, you know. Yeah. Henry. Yeah. Henry is too infatuated, too immature and way too insecure for insecure for. for these scenarios that he's putting himself in. Like when he, you hit the nail on the head there.

Like that is why he's the word, all of those three reasons are exactly why he is a terrible fit for Jen. Not just, not just dating him, but just being around him as an acquaintance would be so exhausting. His constant need for reassurance and attention. is unbelievable and exhausting. Like when he,

when he faints at the restaurant and they're wheeling him into the ambulance, and all he can talk about is, oh, I got you a ring. Oh, I did this for you. Oh, I got this for you. Oh, this is all for you. I did this for you.

Here's your ring. And then it doesn't fit. And then he's like, oh, my God, I ruined it. I ruined everything. I ruined. It's like, dude, shut up. Well, and also, you know, she, watched her best friend drown, you know, and I feel like Henry is not a good individual to date

to understand, like, the depth of, like, what she's dealing with. Well, and you bring up a good point because that all there are. It's like everyone forgets that she went through what could, like, and is a wildly traumatic experience. Yes, but you also bring up a good point. Now that I think about it, there are crazy similarities

between Abby and Henry in the way that they conduct themselves. And so I wonder, I don't know if the showrunners are smart enough to be doing that on purpose. But it does speak to who Jed gravitates to.

Yeah, she has a type. Because, yeah, the attention seeking and the insecurity with Abby is, you know, pretty much exactly there with Henry. Yeah. It's just, it's just being in their presence would just be so exhausting with the constant need for attention and approval. It would be, it would be mind-numbing. Yeah. I mean, the person you want to hang out with in this friend group is Pacey, right? like you're 100% yeah pace he's the person you're hanging out with even then not a lot maybe not a lot

you know not someone you want to hit your wagon to in the town yeah yeah he's a good he's a good like turrissiary friend where you know yeah yeah like on the yeah on the outskirts like oh yeah you know pace he's coming by it's like oh wild card nice exactly yeah yeah yeah let's bring the wild card in but yeah everybody else just keep your loser friend dawson at home Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Don't bring your loser friend or your loser girlfriend around. Leave them out.

Yeah. Yeah. All these people suck. That's Anyways. All right. Well, like I said, great episodes. Love freaking Dawson's Creek.

Dawson is just a real terrible person. But, you know, I love these. that these were the real pacey episodes. This was real pacey heavy for sure. And that's and there's that is that's going to wet my whistle no matter how the episodes go. You know, Pacey heavy episodes, that is my taste for this show. And we're, we're, we're not quite there with him and Joey, but we are, oh, we're so close. Oh, I know.

And I'm, I'm okay with them extending it out a little bit. Like, kind of like, like I'm okay with them playing. Because this deserves a lot of hot and cold moments, you know, because they hated each other the first season, you know, like they've, you know, and so it's going to have some hot and cold. And that's what's going to make it so, so wonderful.