The Cake Eaters - 130. Dawson's Creek Season 3: Episodes 16-19

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Creek Heads Unite! The boys continue tackling Season 3 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 16-19. Heath and Brandon talk through each episode, karaoke, minor league baseball, the Ivy League Boy departure, overbearing aunts, breakfast spreads, and we finally get the Joey and Pacey kiss.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win. B.G. A daydream believer and a homecoming queen. Up sleepy G. What can it mean to who brandon to a daydream believer and a homecoming queen? It's a very weird song when you listen to the lyrics. When they were doing the karaoke and talking about, you know, the cold sting of a razor blade. Yeah, my shaving razor's cold and it stings.

Yeah. What? Like, it says, wipe the sleep out of my eyes. My shaving razor's cold and it stings. That's wild. And I don't know. God, that chorus is so good. Like, it's so. It's a song and song.

I've been singing it for the last. hour the poor baby has just had me screaming wake up sleepy jean at her for the last 20 minutes when i was feeding her a bottle you know it's a it's a it's a solid song it's a it's a it's a good karaoke song it's a fascinating karaoke song right like i it just especially it's the the carrioki's duet song of these of these two characters since they were little kids yeah you know but you never know kelly makes fun of me all the time for being she's like are you from the 50s like what's wrong with you because like I would

just watch what my parents watched and they just be like yeah you're just watching John Wayne movies today so just shut up about it right and so like you know like maybe they just their parents listen to the monkeys a lot yeah but it was a surprising choice

for me I was like oh no kidding that's that's a I didn't I didn't expect it you know yeah yeah I was not expecting Sleepy Gene when they, well, I guess I should have been because they played that song like six times in that episode. That's a lot of

foreshadowing. Should have known that was coming. That's true. How do you feel about small group karaoke? I'm not a big karaoke fan to begin with and small group karaoke makes no fucking sense to me.

I don't get it. So now as an adult couldn't pay me to do it. But in high school, like these kids, when you're in a small town and there's nothing to do and a group of you are bored and hanging out, it's like, you know what, let's fire up that karaoke machine. Let's get things. Let's get things rocking in here. We're bored as hell.

So I've been on both sides. And like in Claire, I almost said Claire Huxable, but Claire from Modern Family, who is Dawson's aunt. Julie Bowen. Yeah. love her love julie bowen but she did another another adult meddling in these teenagers lines again though we'll get to it it just i couldn't believe it i was like god damn it can an adult let these kids fucking live in the show my god i'm glad he i'm glad you said that because i i put in my notes and then i deleted it uh this is way too involved way too involved like i can i can see

Gently co- Also, can I say, can I say her art was fucking terrible? It could be nice, Brandon, you know, it was too. That's that's Motel 6 art. Was it that was that was? That's, um, yeah, I, I just, I was, I could see her trying to gently prod the two kiddos that she grew up knowing, you know, and like she always thought that they'd be together forever, but she took it too far. Yeah.

Way too far. Like a gentle, like, a gentle, like, oh let's have them sing their old song together that's about as far as that should go or like and then like her being like hey i got to use dawson and joey for the grocery store the rest do you do whatever you want yeah yeah yeah anyway let's let's start at the beginning yeah um we're uh so and also this is the kicker's podcast for everybody listening um that's he my name is brandon we are deep in season three he so deep uh was we're in too deep and we're trying to keep up above in our head

right like dude sum 41 let's go so yeah uh good old sum 41 did you keep going it was like last year there was a conspiracy theory or you know a conspiracy theory in quotation marks that uh some 40 fund some 41 never actually existed did that what yeah look into it anyway okay we're deep into season three episodes uh 16 17 17 18 and 19 let's start with 16 because that makes sense um yeah race war to green to green with love yeah the name of the title uh i remember he's at the end of uh our last episode when he expels the expose the kid you brought up i said i said that he he took it for he took it too far you you took the parent side you i it was a bold a bold move for you to be on that side no i did no i didn't

take the parent side a young mr cofield he i said there's no like it was it went it jumped too fast there is no way that he's not like you can't just expel someone for that and and not expect some kind of blowback. Well, especially when the kid goes, you know, my dad will have something to say about this. Exactly. Like as soon as that shit,

like you have to pick some battles, right? Like he could have suspended him, like suspend him for a month, you know? And like, right? Like don't, you don't need to expel him, but you could have still dropped like a pretty severe punishment.

Like I suspend the kid. I don't expel him. I suspend him. I make him. potentially have to take summer school before college. Oh, that's a good punishment. That's a solid punishment. No one can give you shit about that punishment because there's no like,

ooh, is there an opportunity? You know what I mean? Like that's what I was saying is like that it opened up the gates for did he take this too far and for shitty parents small town parents to question his judgment. If you give it that kid a suspension and make him take summer school, everyone's like, yeah, that kid sucks. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like they probably still would have. They still would have came out. I think so. Well, okay. Maybe his dad would have came out. Yeah. That guy, that guy said some things, huh? In that town rally, I was like, oh, there were a lot of. I wrote, I wrote most of them now because there were a lot of things that people said.

Yeah. Shout out Joey, though, for just being like, um, is any adult in this room going to like be an adult in this room? But I feel like that's how a lot of the. school board meetings go you know I don't I don't know so it's that feels like not a good place no there's nothing constructive going on in those meetings um but so yeah I write down a couple of things that were said mr. Coughfield calls principal green an outsider he says he his extreme ideology is better suited for urban war zones oh my yeah yikes right Like, come on. That's the most button-up dude I've ever seen in my life.

What urban war zones is that guy going into, you know? Like, they did a good job of writing his character off this way, though. You know what I mean? Like, if the actor needed to go do something, maybe he'll crop back up. But, like, this was a pretty good episode, I thought. Like, it was, I think that, like, told through the eyes of a teenager, sometimes it's like a boy. I think this was this I think you're right it's a it's a pretty good episode and I think they handled this topic about with as much grace as you can in 1999 yeah yeah for the times they

once they I feel like that's been a pretty consistent theme though each season like it's like they tackle some pretty big themes and they do it about as gracefully as you could expect for the times you know they're a millennial of them the the the false flag with Andy and didn't like that that was that was a misstep yeah forgot about that was that was that was we called that out that was that was like we didn't need that everything else has been at least um at least not offensive you know that's that's all you can that's i can hope for right like yeah like you know not to be that guy but it's like dude it was the times you know it's like at this point all you can hope for is to it did not be horrifyingly yeah um but so yeah so and then uh he

he also mr crawfield also went while he's he's talking to joey he's mentioning that um it would they they deserve a principle that that um embraces their their community values and that's when dawson gets all pissed um because yeah because that was there was not only a dig at principal green it was a and Joey too because Joey and her you know, uh, um, non-nuclear family. Um, and then, um, oh, and then the, the thing that the, the one that like caught me off guard was when Joey stands up, the superintendent goes, excuse me, miss, this isn't a fucking pep rally. Oh, yeah.

Classic. Yeah. I thought that was crazy. Oh. That was so disrespect. Even though she's like 17 or 16 or whatever, it's like, well, come on, guy. Like, it's. Yeah.

He may as well been like, whoa, whoa. You know, like those, like when they do bits and shows, it's like, because it's always sunny does this with D. When they're like, whoa, Dee, why are you getting so emotional? She was just like, say it. Like, she's like, oh, what are you guys talking about? They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, deep, calm. down. Yeah.

That's what it felt like. Oh yeah. It was that whole, that whole PTA meeting, they were just throwing out wild, wild stuff. Were you surprised he didn't budge? I guess they needed it for the plot, but like, do you think he? Mr. was principal green? Yeah. Do you think he was right and like stand in his ground? Or do you think he should have like tried to meet everyone halfway?

Like, there had to have been a middle ground there. somewhere right there again like you said he probably could have eased up on the initial punishment he could have met in middle ground but honestly if i was him without losing but if i if i was him i wouldn't have budged either i would have been like no that's that's also true like at that point the way like how disrespectful the town was like i don't want i don't want to be here he doesn't need that shit no because they so because hopefully they were renting that's all i'm saying because yeah if i'm him i don't budge because if you budge even if you budge and they remove your you know you're i need to hear you if they remove the demand for his resignation you're you're

you're going to be second-guessed every time from here on out you're you're not gonna there's no chance it ends here exactly um especially with the what is uh when i'm glad his daughter talked to him in to go to the rally for him it's like come on bud that's a rally for you big guy you got to you know at least you don't have to say you don't have to say anything but i don't know yeah i guess it's a fine line because he's trying to play the politics of the town a little bit but yeah i'm glad he i'm glad he went he needed good walkout too good walk out um but yeah could could he could he have could he have stayed and done all that yeah sure but i don't blame him for for holding us fast and in leaving um i will say his favorite role of mine will always be how high you know when he is um the uptight

superintendent guy at the at harvard yeah that's good and they get him really high him and psych is great too i remember him and psych oh yeah it's you don't remember you don't remember anything i know it's it's it's it's getting worse brandon what's what's what's carry washington's character's name in psych what's her name the gus's girlfriend or whatever that is super you know you know i keep wanting to say ronda but it's just because we've been watching new girl you know you just got ronda that's such a dude winston's character development and new girl is something else like it's it's really good stuff but anyways uh yeah mr green i thought i thought that was a a solid episode, you know, but more importantly, it paves in even deeper inroads for Pacey when he

buys Joey a wall. Mira. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nice. But he plays, he plays Mira's dad. That's right.

He does a good job. They own that crazy vineyard. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's, uh, dude, psych is, psych is incredible. It's an incredible show. It's, yeah, top notch.

Sorry. Anyway, I just, that was going to drive me crazy. Um, But Pacey buys Joey a wall, Brandon. What a declaration of love. He bought her a wall. He bought her a wall, dude. And he was like, listen, you want to paint some Japanese flower murals?

Here's a goddamn wall. Is it Japanese or was it Chinese? Whatever. Sorry, Asian flower wall mural. Wow. Not all Asians are the same. Oh, my God. Brandon, damn it.

Don't do that to me. You're the worst. It's, but yeah, dude, what a declaration of love from Pacey. And do you think Joey said, it seemed like Joey didn't pick up on it,

right? Obviously, like Joey is not picking up what Pacey is putting down. No, she's fucking oblivious right now. Also, he's, dudes,

dudes don't buy, dudes don't buy girls walls, you know, out of the goodness of their heart. It's not how it works. No, no, no.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's that's that's you might as well buy a ring if you're gonna buy like m pacey that's some hard-earned video store money yeah i forget doesn't he doesn't he make a comment about how expensive it was i can't remember but i hope so um but yeah no joey is oblivious and she's not only oblivious she fuck she like is just ignores she ignores she ignores all of the work that he put in during this

Because he makes the whole fucking thing happy. Joey doesn't do a goddamn thing. Oh, that guy is bending over backwards for Joey at this point. And she's not picking up anything he's putting down. She's too smitten by fucking Ivy League. Who, God,

I hate that fucking guy. I know it's, I'm speaking in New Girl, New Girl did an episode almost exactly like this episode in their, in their show with Dr. Sam. Oh, yeah, Dr.

Sam. Kelly's not a big fan of Dr. Sam. we don't like those episodes he's fine but the episodes are you know Jess and Dr. Sam never fit no it's been so long since I've seen New Girl too I don't really remember

all of Dr. Sam's shenanigans but yeah Ivy League Ivy League was driving me crazy and I know it's it's mostly because I'm a thousand percent team Pacey so I'm very biased when it comes

to Joey's love interest but God damn Ivy League dude what a what a piece of work when he goes Ivy League oh and his and his yeah when he goes award or whatever he so he has he has three lines in this in the the principal episode that fucking just annoyed the shit out of me he goes he go they're talking on the phone and she goes oh pacey had the same idea and he goes what kind of name is pacey and then when he meets him joey's like oh you guys haven't met uh j this is pacey pacey a j and he goes oh yeah that's the one with the peculiar name

right in front of him like what the fuck is pretty bro oh i'm sorry he had four lines because another one was it's right after joey uh bluffs with the superintendent and it's like we have 700 people that are going to come and pacey's like what are you doing Yeah. And they just look at Pacey and they go, hey, Pacey, fix it. And he goes, this is going to be kind of hard, guys. And the, and Ivy League goes, Pacey, those are problems. We need solutions. It's like, okay, buddy, how about you go, fuck yourself? You haven't given anybody any solution ever.

And then at the very end, or not the very end, but close to the end, when he leaves, when Ivy League leaves early, he goes, oh, Pacey can help you. He turned out not to be such a bad guy. guy what the fuck what was that it like this oh there's just the the underhanded pacey comments were out of control in this episode yeah out of control when when he gets introduced to him though and right in front of him he goes oh you're the one with the peculiar name what a weird fucking okay you don't need to be a dick yeah it's like I'm standing right here dude uh but yeah fucking an ivy league dude uh i'm crazy uh but oh oh you but you but you're pace destroying uh destroys

organizing all this he pretty much does everything joey doesn't really do much other than um she's like the face of it uh yeah one thing i want to point out before we move on because i mean there's not too much more to touch on in this episode no that's pretty much it like you know the he gets a really good walk out really touching there's some weird there's some weird the teacher song at the end you know really brought it we just talked about them not using the music but a couple of these episodes they use songs again yeah and then there's some weird stuff with bessie where bessie gets uh bessie gets upset because people are calling her and you know telling her we're not going to support your business because you're supporting the principal um

and so she gets upset at joey yeah which is i i get i get where she's coming from because it's like Mainly it's Joey's attitude towards it. She, Joey just very much like Dawson, she is so self-centered that she doesn't understand that her actions have consequences for other people. Yes. Like if you own a business in the town and then you piss off the town. Yeah.

You might not get business, you know? Like that's a risk that you must be willing to take in her not acknowledging that she took that risk, I think is what pissing. is bessie on yeah it's it's the it's the not acknowledging uh part which is the the frustrating part and i get where bessie's coming from and she comes around at the end she realizes oh my gosh shit yeah uh she realizes she overreacted because i mean i get where bessie's coming from but her yelling at joie was a bit much you got to you know that was an overreaction but uh so the last thing i want to touch on in this episode is uh for the rally

pacey it pacey gets everything set up and he introduces joe when he introduces what did you see what he's wearing at the rally he's wearing a boston bruin's jersey but it's customized it says whitter on the back oh shit i didn't see that it was it was sick as fuck i love dude that is sick yeah those bruin's jerseys are cool it was the uh like the the late 90s ones which were um a bit of a departure um the omaha storm chasers are doing a run a hockey jersey giveaway next year. I

I hate it's mainly minor league baseball that does it. I cannot stand the gimmicky promo uniforms. I love it. I hate them. I hate them so much. That's because you're a boring

baseball traditionalist. I love it. And I love the more unhinged ones, the better. Why not? It's minor league baseball who gives his shit no one goes like they got to get but no nobody gets shit because they're pulling fucking nonsense like this no come on dude that's what gets people in this you got got to get butts and stands you know what gets butts and stands the long ball heath ladies live the long ball okay stop with the gimmicky jerseys and bring steroids back but minor league teams

can't control that you dumb hat they could they could if they wanted to Oh, my God. Just like a, like the minor leagues just break out from the MLB and start a steroid league. But they do it like soccer where there's relegation. That'd be sick, actually. Well, I would. Steroid, steroid baseball league with relegation, I would absolutely. Oh, I'm in.

It's not going to happen, though. Have you, have you been? Because you, you are, you were in the trenches in minor league baseball. Have you been paying attention to what's going on? in minor league baseball no dude do you know do you dude i know it's obnoxious and they say it but this this baby is like 90% of my brain power and the other 10% when i say what's going on i mean i mean like over the past like five years oh i mean i don't know just attendance being down or just no no it's uh do you have you heard of diamond holdings no they're like a uh they're a

company that's like backed by venture capital but they've been buying up like every single minor league team they own i think 50 minor league teams now oh damn um and it's uh it's ruining the it's ruining baseball for sure yeah yeah freaking corporate america i'm right goddamn capitalism do they got jersey mics you know like one of those big companies yeah i got you now i was confused for a second i was like what do you talk about then i was okay yes black rock bottom yep and guess guess what Brandon. Portion sizes down. Down. Of course.

Second Black Rock. I shouldn't I shouldn't. We shouldn't talk shit because they'll ruin our lives if they catch this. Them and their. I wonder I wonder if All right. Let's move on to Cinderella story. Silver Lake is who owns Diamond

Holdings, not Black Rock, but tomato. Yeah. You say potato. I say tomato. All right. Cinderella colors in their names. You notice that all the evil corporations have colors in their name. I don't know. I don't know. What a world.

What a fucking world, man. All right. Let's get to Cinderella story, not the Chad Michael Murray, Hillary Duff banger of a movie, but episode 17. What's the, is it Russell Crow,

Cinderella Man. That's what it is. Is that Russell Crow? Yeah. Correct. Correctamondo. So, yeah, we get the kid from Jerry McGuire. Jonathan Lipnickie, dude.

Jonathan Lipnicki, dude. Yeah. Not only. Not only Stuart Little, too. Stuart Little. I was just going to say, yep, but also well known from Stuart Little. What a crazy movie, though, like the memes of like, could you imagine getting passed up for adoption for a mouse? Well, it's got to, that's going to cause some real fucked up.

Do you ever read the book? No, I don't think so. Maybe. If I did, I was in elementary school and I'm, you know, my brain's dead. I was see. I read it when I was in like mid sixth grade, maybe, maybe somewhere in there, somewhere around there. If I remember correctly and please don't correct me if I'm wrong. In the book, Stuart Little is not a mouse.

He's a he's a tiny little human boy that just looks like a mouse. Oh, I. I don't know. Maybe I haven't read the book. I think that's, I think that's, I'm remembering that correctly. He's just a disfigured tiny little boy that looks like a mouse. He's not an actual mouse. I'm pretty sure. Don't, again, don't correct me if I'm wrong. But Jonathan Lipn't know, it sounds wrong.

But Jonathan Lipnicki, uh, Buzz, Buzz. Great name for his character. Oh, absolutely. He's in his bag, though. This is his, this is his like, Pete. right here you know I don't know what happened to him I hope he's okay you know kids it's 50-50 if they can survive Hollywood you know what I mean and especially after all these files coming out dude it's like if you were a child actor and you came out unscathed you are a unicorn um so I hope he's okay this would have been after Jerry Maguire but before or right around

Stuart little yeah um yeah He's in his bag right here. This is his prime prime powers right here. Remember like Mike, him and Lil Balow? Yes, that was a great movie, you know, Little Bow Wow with the, he's no little little though, right? He's just bow wow. Well, he's now he's just bow wow.

Back then he was a little bow wow. Yeah, Kelly is a big bow wow fan. I don't know why. That's just a wild sentence to me. um oh jonathan limpicky is still acting though he's in a bunch of stuff he was in uh it looks like he's got a couple movies from this year yeah he's still kicking he's still kicking around and and he crushes it you know it's it's not and it's nice to like him and pacey i thought they worked well together you know his his dad abandoned him to go start a new family did you love his uh

did you love his dead dad joke at the beginning though though i thought that was great oh yeah And then he's like, he's like, so my dad's not dead per se. You know, I don't think he said it like that. But, you know, oh, that was classic. But yeah, him and him and Pacey kind of like getting close. Is this the one where, oh, no, that's the next episode. This is the one where AJ, Joey goes to the, to the visit AJ, the new girl. This episode starts off with Pacey, dropping Joey off at the train.

station. Yeah. And honestly, he's being a real fucking buzzkill. Yeah. Well, he's just, he's, Joey's like, this is going to be so cool. I'm going to have such a great night. He's like, uh, no, you're not. Your life fucking sucks, bro. He just didn't want her bump and uglies with AJ. That's it. You know, he was still, still, though. This was, this was one of the times where I was like, Pacey, tone it down, dude. He, he wanted to, I thought the same thing, but I was like, you know, he just wants to be a wet serrape on their fiesta because he does not want them bump and uglies that's that's you know he's just he's just jelly and that's that's not his fault you're going to stop using so much slang man you're like bumping to go from bumping uglies to jelly was was a wild a wild paragraph

oh you're welcome for that but yes he drops her off there and And then he he teams up with Buzz as part of his community service for, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's specifically the Boys and Girls Club, but it's, you know, something similar. Yeah. And it looks like a big brother situation. And but Buzz is a troubled kid. He's had three or four, I think, previous matches, previous big brothers that quit, quit on it because he's, he tests them. He's a handful.

he's been abandoned Brandon and so he tests people to make sure like hey are you going to leave well yeah I mean because everybody knows that's a healthy way to to it's a healthy way to keep to keep people around is to push him away well you know I it feels like at his age having something like that happened to him might be where those things start well because not not only did his uh therapist would love to dig into that with him though. You know, they would just... Or you know what they would do, Brandon?

His... I'm surprised his teacher didn't take him out for lunch across the street and alienate him from his peers. Did I think about that sometimes? I was like, dude, I don't know how I would. I would not have handled that well as a small child, you know? Like I, because I didn't talk. So I would have just sat there.

It was mortified staring at them like, It was not a talkative lunch. The couple of times we did it, it was not a not a talkative lunch for sure. Like, how's your lunch? How are you feeling about your dad abandoning you and starting a new family and not including you? Well, and his mom, his mom's not there. She's working a lot. Well, so.

Right? Is that that. That's what, so, yeah, she was. That's what they alluded to. She was Reba, you know, she's a single mom who works too hard. We don't know if she loves her kid and never stops. That's the only difference. So my question, she's a single mom.

So obviously she's working and all that. But when Pacey goes over to his house to do the meatloaf and mashed potatoes with them. Yeah. I don't know. It felt like she wasn't exactly working late. I feel like, you know, I don't know. maybe i was reading too much into it but but yeah he's uh he's on his at nine years old he's essentially on his own yeah yeah flying solo wow yeah um but yeah what else what else happens in this one

well so she she goes she goes to boston because a a j is getting some sort of award and he's he's reading uh one of his writings yeah right invites his best bud from home turns out to be a female joey's like you guys are not her not his not his best bud from home his best bud that's she she's she didn't come from home she's going she goes to boston with him oh yeah that's right i forgot she followed they said that she followed him there i don't know she followed him that's what they made it seem because she like went somewhere else first i thought well she did i miss that they went so they've known each other since they were uh embryos is that what she says or zygote so yeah zygote so yeah zygote And then they so same same middle school, same high school,

and then they both went to Boston and then she left. I'm assuming after, because they talk about the one kiss they had. I'm assuming she left after that one kiss. And she went to study abroad in Paris and then she came back. But yeah, it's it's, it's not, they're Dawson and Pacey is what they are. They're Dawson and Pacey. Yeah. I'm sorry, Dawson and Joe.

not Dawson and Pacey. Yeah, that's right. Watching too much heated rivalry. Dawson and Pacey. Have you seen the meme with all the different other names he could call heated rivalry? Oh, no, I haven't. No, I. It's not pot appropriate.

We'll just say that, but they are hilarious. Believe me when I tell you, he's, I looked for any possible connection between the Mighty Ducks and heated rivalry. and there's none. There's not one. I probably would have just like delegated my time in that episode to Kelly because she's watched that show three times already, I think. Because she read the books. Like she,

she read the books first. And so when this show got announced, she was like, Heath, do we have HBO? I was like, no, they raise their prices to $17 a month.

They can go buck themselves. And she was like, like, oh no. And then luckily our neighbor, um, slipped us that password. And so Kelly, uh, Kelly got to watch it and she just keeps watching it. I, I tried my darnest to find a connection and there's, there's not a single one. So we, we won't be doing that for the Pallet, unfortunately. That's, I heard it's good show.

I've only watched. I think I only watched the, I've watched the first two episodes, I think. I haven't watched. I haven't watched the whole thing and I haven't watched a ton of it. It's very cheesy. As those like romance books obviously are. It's very cheesy. So if you can handle the cheese, then it's fine.

But it's very cheesy. Been there. It's not easy being cheesy, Brandon. No. But so, yeah, so she goes to Boston to do this little war thing. we meet morgan who's who's uh j's uh long lost friend or not long lost friend old time friend she was never lost oh and dawson's mom opening the restaurant and jen being the worst waitress in the history of waitressing yeah really really draw and then uh her and her and um

Dawson's dad that whole thing yeah yeah and then their friend dies in the last episode that's where we get some sleepy gene in there too

they did play that song like five times but um but yes so it's this episode is essentially it's well so we're bearing the lead a little bit here not the lead we're bearing the end a little bit here hey or Joey goes to Boston to hang out with AJ

to go to an award thing. We meet Morgan, who AJ and Morgan are secretly loved because they're, you know, they're the, Dawson and Joey of Boston. Yeah, but without the complex background. They have a little bit of a complex background.

I guess. And so, Joey, Joey, I love how, I love how Morgan picks Joey up from the train station. And she's like, we're fucking blading, dude, we're going blading. I thought that was fucking crazy. I forgot about her picking Joey up.

As soon as that happened, it was like, oh, no. And then, yeah, Joey dumps AJ and it's like, go be in love with that girl. Pacey, come pick me up from the train station. A couple things about AJ and Joey while we're in Boston here. So she Morgan takes Joey blading and Joey you know falls and scrapes me right. And so they go back to AJ's dorm and AJ is doing first aid, right? Trying to patch it up, right? And they start getting all like nerdy and dirty with their weird, you know, talk about, you know, blood rushing and all that kind of stuff.

Fucking gross. Yeah. But one super gross thing I want to point out is he, in order to make her feel better, and to be slightly seductive, he kisses her, her, he kisses her boo-boo on her knee, kisses her wound. He could, but he kisses it twice. Yeah, but like too much. A, don't kiss open wounds. Just don't.

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Chuck's sister. From the show, Chuck. Yeah, the girl that's the waitress. She's Chuck's sister from the TV show. I don't know her name. I was like, who the fuck is Chuck? Yeah. That's, oh, dude, Henry.

And it is only. fitting too for Henry that his mom forces him to have a birthday party at the roller rink at 15. Well, she didn't, she didn't force him. We'll get to that though. So, but so back to, so he kisses her open with twice. That

drove me up the wall. I was so grossed out. Another thing I want to touch on is they whoever wrote this episode, Morgan and Joey are talking in Morgan's dorm room and they're talking about AJ and Morgan's, you know, reminiscing about all these things about AJ.

Joey's like, oh, I'm getting to learn so much about him every day. And so then they start listing off things that he does that are silly but are meant to be like super cute in an enduring way, endearing way. and the stuff they listed list off is so annoying yeah so they they sit Morgan says he's banned from social gatherings in over 20 states which is what are we doing but she says he's banned from social gatherings in over 20 states because he only eats the peanuts out of the checks mix which is not That's not cute. That's not even funny. That's just weird.

Yeah. You know. And then they talk about how he, when he gets flustered, he conjugates Latin verbs under his breath when he gets nervous. And it's like, that's not cute or funny. That's annoying as fuck. Is it a tick? It's just him being a fucking nerd is what it is.

You know what? No, that's not even nerd behavior. That's dork behavior. I mean, we were, I hate Ivy League. I fucking hate him. You know how you were, last episode you're talking about how much you hate Henry and Andy to you. I don't I don't care for Henry either. Henry's a creep.

Yeah. Ivy League is so much worse to me and I don't know why. He just, I fucking can't. I can't I think it's I think it's just because I like Pacey so much that this fucking guy is in the way and he's he fucking sucks. I hate Ivy League. And he goes to Boston too. Fuck that guy. Oh, classic.

All right. But the the coutagra of the episode, Brandon, after Pacey. We're buried in the end here, which is so Joey breaks up with AJ because AJ's in love with Morgan. He's like, she's like, I'm not going to do this. go be with your go be with the person you love i'm leaving and so she goes to the train station she realizes oh shit there's not a train until next until 9 a m yeah this is in the middle of the night it's probably she's probably like 10 p.m. when she does this yeah and so she uh goes to the payphone we what a great 1999 uh like encapsulation of like before cell phones

because in my mind i was like who the fuck is she gonna call that's gonna answer Like who's how did you get a hold of people? Oh, dude. And having to, I think we might have talking about this, but having to talk to your friend's parents as a prerequisite or if you were trying to talk to a girl having to chat or data before the phone got over to her. Yeah. Had to be ready.

Yeah. But so she calls Pacey, I'm assuming Pacey's home. Pacey, because he's living with Duggy right now. Yeah, she probably calls Duggy Fresh. She probably calls Duggy Fresh and either tell you. Dougie and or leaves a message. Yeah. Answering machine, brother.

Because at the same time, Pacey is hanging out with Buzz, you know? Yep. I was light here. Yep. But so Pacey gets the message and he drives out all the way to Boston in the middle of the night. And he picks her up and they're driving home. We get it.

We get it. And it happens. The coup de grace. The kiss, Brandon. Yeah. Well, because she's, she's playing.

the victim yeah she won't she won't talk at all about what happened I did love she gets to the trade station and Pacey's like what's going on what happened I don't want to talk about it let's go

he's like what's like what happened what's going on yeah like are you okay yeah she's like I don't want to talk about it and he goes oh I'm sorry if I don't have he says something like oh I'm sorry if I'm having a little trouble with the no questions asked

yeah but so so he's driving at home and i uh it's not till they get you know in the morning they get back to uh cape side to where she finally you know breaks down and it's like there was another girl you know all that sort of thing and then we get uh you know little uh she she starts she starts point of the victim like you said she's like i'm never going to find love it's never going to happen and pacey says a great line where he's like yeah because you're 16 and alone it's never going to happen and then she says something because and i can't remember what it is and then uh pacy's like that's it it's time and it goes in for the kiss so she says

and she kisses him back he says in the next episode yes yeah she she she kisses him back but so what prompted it is what they're trying so she says uh there's only two people in my life that have known me dawson and you yeah and that's what kind of sets pace the off he's like why would you say that why and then he's he's asking he's like why of all people why did you call me he's like to come get you he's like i'm glad you called me i'm not mad but i why why was i was i your first call um that's because they're because he wants her to say it because they're in love he's they're in love and that's why he says that because he he he needs to hear her say it before he can say it because it's too fine of a line and you know there's

you obviously you know we'll get to it but there's a zero percent chance dawson i you know i haven't watched season three before but you are in for a treat buddy i i was going to say there's the next four episode meltdown of dawson reacting to this news what do you what are you what are you watching it on netflix okay because i don't know the netflix put i'm watching it on disney plus And when you scroll down to the the end of season three, you've seen the like famous James Vanderbeak crying meme. Oh yeah, the meme. So that's the thumbnail for like right before he's not crying in the thumbnail, but it's like right before that is the thumbnail for the final episode on Disney Plus. Epic.

You know and you know, RIP the beak, you know, it's RIP. very sad news sad news that's the moment where you separate you know the actor from the role where we'll always hate on dawson because he's the worst but we love the beak you know dawson sucks james vander beak um amazing actor yeah real real gem his best role will forever and always be varsity blues john moxley dude oh my god you're not john moxley john moxin i'm getting i'm getting i'm getting even him confused with the rest with the wrestler oh yeah that's it's it's like muxen or mokson or something but yeah oh man varsity blues james vanderbeak was i saw a uh a very uh of course the fucking fucking fucking i bdb just has his character name as mox that's not his fucking that's what they call

him though the like 98 of the movie he has a he has a fucking name john moxen that's what it is not moxley's the wrestler. John Moksin his varsity was, but it was a picture of the the four lead guys from varsity blues. Oh. And what's his name?

Scott Conn. Unfortunately is the only one left. RIP to P.Walk. T. Walk and Billy Bob. Yeah. Sad day. But yeah, so we finally get the kiss. And I loved how they started the next episode. I thought it was great.

I was like, oh shit. Joey just pushing and hitting pacey like god damn it what the fuck you can't just we like and i thought you did make a good point though of like we can't just do that like there's so many like ripple effects from this that happen everybody's everybody's so afraid of upsetting dawson like well that is true that is true everyone does tiptoe around us no matter how you handle that situation he dawson's going to take it the wrong way. Just fucking rip the bandit off. Just do it.

It's like, listen, Dawson, we made out, might, might do more. Who knows? You just have to deal with it. You're all 16 years old. Just make out with whoever you want to make out with. Who gives a fuck? Oh, man. It just, it was, yeah.

Yeah. So into the next episode, Neverland. Yep. Camping. Yeah. Camp fort camping, they're going to demolish the place where Pacey and Dawson used to hang out. And so Dougie Fresh is planted the seed ahead of time of like, hey, you know, you need to take Dawson to special place. Let him know what happened.

So first off, it's like you said, it starts off with with them still driving home. Joey freaks out, pushes him, you know, whatever. And she's like, we can't do this. Dawson's going to be so upset. Pacey has a great line where he's he's like, whatever, whatever. Excuse me while I get in the car. And he starts walking to the car. I thought that was hilarious.

But then, so you're right. So then cut to Joey is telling Bessie and Pacey is telling Dougie. Yep. Pacey and Dougie are at like a diner, whatever, eat breakfast. Yep. And I loved to. First of all, Dougie gives great advice. He's like, you got to tell Dawson, this is how you do it.

You go to a place where he can't get mad at you and do it. That's how we end up with the camping. But I loved how he was comparing Joey to the bus from speed. I forgot about that. Yes. So what you're saying is that Joey is a bus who can't. Who can't stop? You can't go under 50 miles an hour.

I thought that was hilarious. I did forget about that But when they're on that island And Dawson said like Joey or Pacey chickens out because Dawson's talking about Joey being his soulmate Yeah Because so they're demolishing the woods behind The Dawson's house I believe

Yeah Where the fort is So they're Pacey's like let's do one more One more campy trip. Rally rally the troops. And the kids stalk them and find them hilarious. He tells Buzz he can't hang out with him because he's going camping and Buzz is like, say no more, dude, I'm there.

Let me bring my two cronies with me. Oh. But so they get there. They're reminiscing about old times. And of course, Dawson then starts reminiscing. He's like, oh, I'm so glad and happy to have you in my life, Pacey, both you and Joey. like you're you're my rock joey's my muse and my the love of my life and my soulmate and it's like oof rough rough timing here dossett rough timing yeah and then we also have uh girls night girls night i did

so i did love andy bringing up the fact that none of these girls ever hang out with people that don't have penises same i was like andy makes a fantastic point here like you know like you know who you should probably stop talking about your love's love lives with the guys that you are only dating yeah it's it's and i think pacey says it or someone says it i can't remember who of like how just how incestuous maybe it's jen just how incestuous this group is like they only date and hang out with each other yeah uh but it it it brings like joey and dawson or don't joey and jenn never fucking hang out with each other They're, you know, they're friends by proxy, essentially. But a good girl's night would do them some good.

I love how Andy brings up Thelma and Louise. Yeah. And they're like, didn't they kill a man in the drive off a cliff? And then she goes, yes, but it was in solidarity. Yeah, Andy was good in this episode. There was the one time that Andy wasn't driving me nuts. Yes. And then they, like you mentioned earlier, Henry has his, he does,

he has this birthday party that he doesn't, A, he doesn't even bring up his birthday to Jen. Yeah. Then he doesn't invite her to the party. Well, it doesn't tell her there's a party. Then doesn't invite her once she finds out, you know. Yeah, after his bro gives him a high five saying, hey, can't wait for the party. A little roller rinkin.

Yeah. Well, so they, they don't mention, he doesn't mention that. He doesn't tell Jen even where it is. And so then during girls night, they're reminiscing about, you know, being a, being a child and not having any cares in the world. and Joey says, let's go to my favorite place when I was a kid, which is the roller rink. Yeah, and they dress up fun with Boas. Yeah. Yeah, it looked like a lovely time.

Yeah, that's a hell of a girl's eye, dude. Yeah, it looks sick. Up until they see Henry. Having a four-year-old's birthday party. But, dude, sick Doug Flutie jersey. Yeah. At Desjardin Insurance, we know that when you were built, contractor, your company's foundation needs to be strong. That's why our agents go the extra mile

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beginning when they get Jack when they're when Jack plays football oh I thought you're talking about Doug Flutty yeah keep going oh he sells the mouthpiece He sells the mouthpiece. Yeah. He's just, he's a diehard Flutie fan, dude. He can't blame. Dude, he had that comeback when he was a little bit older and it was like, oh, yeah, we forgot why we love this guy.

Yeah. After that Hail Mary. Yeah. Hill Mary. Yeah, his time with the bills and then went to the Chargers and Drew Breeze stole his job. That's a son of a bitch. Yeah. You know, the biggest thing for, for me with Jen and Henry is Jen deserves better.

she's got the worst taste in men yep she just not a not a single keeper not a single green flag in any of those men that we've seen yeah and we'll talk about but next episode i don't know what she was thinking like this guy is not worth all yelling at your job no especially because he's not doing granted he's not necessarily flirting back but he's not doing anything to stop this he's not yeah he just goes and tells her that that and it's like What was the point of that? Like he was trying to make Jen jealous. Like, hey, other people, it's like, hey, you might think you're too cool, but other people want to bang me.

Yeah. Well, so to go back to his roller rig birthday party, the reason he doesn't tell Jen about it is because he's like, my mom's making me do this. Well, this, you know, I've done this for every birthday I've ever had. She's making me do it again. And I, he didn't want Jen to think. he's even more of a child than she already does, which is wild.

I don't know. That's weird. That's something that, that's how a child would think. And then, and then on the next episode, he's acting like a fucking child trying to make you jealous.

Yeah. Yeah, Henry sucks. He's not as bad as Ivy League, but he fucking sucks still. What else? Oh, then we have Jack. Ethan shows up to hang out with Jack over the weekend.

So and we get Jack's dad crashes it. We get some, we get some Jack and dad. No, no tears, but we get some Jack and dad scenes. Yeah. But he and, you know, like I, I thought Jack was 100% correct on everything. Like, his dad was a huge dick. Like this, you have to remember, he's a teenage boy full of confusion. He's finally going to have like his first interaction.

you know having a slumber party with his guy and then his dad crashes trying to bond and it's i don't know that phrase he made me laugh he's with this guy having a slumber party with his guy it is his main bow you know and then all a sudden dad it's like dude you hated you were saying the meanest shit to me about being gay and now you're trying to like i get it he could have met him halfway once again but you have to I empathize with his teenage anger in the moment of like, yeah, you just,

you just bogart in my date weekend trying to bond with me when you've been the worst since our, our brother died. It's not a date weekend. They're just, remember? Because Ethan's like, we're just going to be friends.

I'm not going to. Oh, that's right. Well, still, you know, like they're just, you know.

They're sleeping in separate beds for God's sake. Well, they're teenagers. Did you know the, when they show the. where they're in the bed like going back and forth are you in yeah it for some reason it the my like first thought was uh the d2 uh bash brother scene where they're in the the dorm don't you know they're like playing ergot everything's on fire that was my that was my first

thought when they were in the room um but to your point yes jack jack is not wrong but Ethan brings up a good point where it's like you've already lost a year yeah if you keep this up you're going to lose another one and then another one and then another one yes but you got to at some point you got to beat him halfway you know yeah it's okay to exactly like listen you can be mad but the longer you're mad the more this relationship is going to erode yeah and the sooner you can and i thought that was nice he's like hey listen you're both victims uh at like You're the victim of your dad being the worst. Your dad is a victim of a society that doesn't understand anything other than the norm.

They had a nice little scene at the end where he ends up trying to meet him halfway. So hopefully, you know, going forward, they can mend some fences. Yeah. And then that's so then the next morning, the camping's over. they're packing up right Casey is taking the the kids home and he he has buzz and they stop at the corner

store right? Yeah. And he runs into Joey and they have a whole you know we're just friends now kind of buddy buddy they shake hands at the yeah and so

we get the kiss but again it's like they did with with Joey and Dawson in the first couple of seasons we're still going back and forth we're not getting any kind of satisfaction yeah or you know wild and i do want to point out uh continuity you know cinematography wise the last scenes of this episode don't make any sense did you know did you clock this no probably not i don't know it's i had to rewatch this because i was so there there's the scene where they they meet at the corner store and then they leave

And so Pacey and Buzz are walking out of the corner store, right? And it shows a back shot from, you know, Joey's point of view. She's looking out from the corner store. And Pacey and Buzz are walking along. They're walking in this little field next to in the back shot. They're walking next to a bridge on their left hand side. Then it flips, and it's a front shot of Pacey and Buzz. and the front shot shows them in front of a bridge with woods a wooded area in the background.

No, no corner store inside it was very weird to throw me off. But it's a very minor detail, but I wanted to point it out because it was driving me crazy. But yeah, this is, I like this episode again. I thought this is a really good episode for every character's kind of build. You know, like Andy was pretty chill for once, loved Girls' Night. I loved the camping trip, Joey, or Pacey and Dawson trying to figure that out. It was Joey and Pacey secretly trying to figure. Jen being like Joey.

I can see something's going on. It's with you and Pacey. Yeah, yeah. Because Jen's noticed it for a while now because she keeps trying to give Pacey some words of encouragement every once in a while being like, you know. especially when Ivy League was there. Fucking Ivy League, dude. God, I'm still upset.

But so we're still going back and forth. We finally got the fucking kiss, but we're still not any closer to it meaning anything. Yeah. Yeah. Frustra. Until we get to this next episode. Do you have anything else left to say about Neverland?

Great episode again, but stolen kisses is where things pop off. Stolen kisses. episode 19 um so i i've watched each of these episodes a couple times or twice um yeah the first time i watched this one i was how like half paying attention at the beginning yeah and i did not clock that they were going to dawson's ants and so oh that was a confusing moment for you then like halfway like they got there and like halfway through the whole introduction scene or whatever i was like who the fuck is this?

I rewound and I was oh okay it's his aunt that makes sense I missed I missed that part but yeah I was very confused for a good 10 minutes I was like who the fuck is this dude the uh so we've got because that's the two main storylines is we've got Dawson's aunt's house and then Jen and Henry at the restaurant with my girl Sarah Lancaster from Chuck Van also Christmas in the Smokies you know she's got some love Christmas in the smokies dude yeah oh dude and then she's been in like a billion things she's saved by the bell the new class oh same with the Nikki Green yeah yeah you hate the new class though well I I thought you met the remake that Peacock did I actually

watched the new class I was all in on the new class I I loved Sarah Lancaster. Well, you didn't like it enough to know Nikki Green was in that. No, not enough for that. And then she makes an appearance in everything. She's the, she's in Scrubs as like the gift shop girl. Did you know that? No.

Well, whatever. God, she's in like every popular show in like one episode. That's the way to do. Except for Chuck, you know, like when she, she crushes. Chuck's sister in that show. She's fantastic. But yeah, she is laying it on thick on old Henry. She likes them

young. She tells him. I did have a question how old this lady is. I feel like she was in like Jen's grade, right? Like that's what I was thinking. I'm hoping she was in high school. I'm really hoping she was. Because she had a lot of predatory tendencies.

Oh, she was a grooming like crazy, dude. She's a she's a teacher that ends up in the newspaper, unfortunately, the way she's been acting, you know. But, dude, okay, so I have to say this because I just saw it on Wikipedia, and I don't know if you knew this with Will Krudski. He's a, you know, he's the Krudskiy, yeah. Yeah, he's childhood buddy and Pacey.

So Will appears in two subsequent episodes as an introductory character for young Americans, a backdoor pilot and spin-off for Dawson's Creek. Oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. I forgot that was that's Will, but yeah, I knew about the, the, the spinoff they tried to do. Man, I didn't know that. So we've got some, and then we got Julie Bowen, who is fantastic.

It's just weird how involved she is with these children's lives. Very overbearing. Did sick house set up, though. She's got the little barn with the horse like, you. You know, she's got a sit, like an acreage, it looked like. Well, yeah. She cheated on her first husband, though, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

And her art sucks. And. It was sad that her, she left her husband for a dude and then he died. That's karma. Maybe that's a little comeuppance for the way that she left her husband. But, you know, maybe that guy sucked. I don't know. And she's a, her worst quality is she's a, she's a dog.

an apologist well that's it's she's over there giving dossin encouragement we did discuss this last episode dossin is the last person in this world that needs additional encouragement this is why this is why he's such insufferable prick is because he's got his family out here blowing smoke up his ass did we do we know which side of the family yeah i don't think they say oh also we're already at spring break did you did you clock that this is spring break yep yep interesting it was just yesterday it was thanksgiving yeah andy hits it off with will dawson trying to get back with joey will will will's a will's a fascinating character uh he's a he's a he's a he's a fucking hustler did love i'm a hustler

i was i was wait and i want you to know i was waiting for them to get beat up by those guys i I thought that was. Oh, dude. I, so when they left and he was just flaught in that cash, I was like, there's no way those dudes don't follow them out, right? Yeah. Get their, like, just get their money back. Yeah. Like, fuck you kids. They'd be in some real trouble for beating up kids, though. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Bar owners in trouble for serving minors potentially. There's a lot of things that could have gone wrong there. Or was that, was that pool hall 21 and over? Because the aunt told him to go the pool hall i've never heard of a pool hall being anything other than like a bar you know 21 and

over no i've i've been to i've been doing yeah there was a pool hall that was uh near my house when i was growing up that was i definitely wasn't there when i was not 21 nice yeah i don't know pool halls man wild but do we know where she is no they just didn't really say i'm just out out in a smaller town than Cape side. Yeah, yeah. She said there's nothing to do in these, these Knicks of the Woods. Although she did,

one thing I will give her credit for is the breakfast spread. Looked top notch. She fucking crushed it. Oh, yeah, the fresh fruit, the waffles. Yeah, she was, she was invested on their nourishment. That's for sure. Yeah, it's, that's nice. One thing I've always been envious of is,

rich family breakfast spreads in movies and TVs. I mean, it always looks so amazing and I'm so jealous all the time every time I see it. We never do a spread, but you know, going back to Wayne America and waking up to some, you know, delicious French toast or pancakes. Well, no, I'm nice. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the whole fucking spread. Like what looks like a buffet. Yeah, like the, the, and then no one.

eats it and it's like dude that was that was scrambled eggs bacon waffles fruit like that's a that's an all you can eat buffet you know or a uh what's an all inclusive resort breakfast right there you know the one that always sticks out to me is wedding crashers with no oh yeah when when they go out to the little whatever mansion or whatever and Vince Vaughn is talking to the the the pastor the priest or whatever he is and they're over breakfast that breakfast looked so fucking good. I think Vince Vaughn has the line where he's like, well, if nobody else is, I'm just going to start eating. Oh, my God. Like, because that's it. He's like loading up his plate, like a lunatic when he's like, you motorboated him too. You did you motorboating, son of a bitch. Anyway, so, yeah, Dawson's aunt just got a little too involved, especially when she walks.

And I mean, she's not wrong, you know, where she was like, listen, if, Dawson catches you guys doing this before you tell him, he's never going to get over it. Like he's just going to be, you know, irrecrow. Like, he's just going to absolutely come apart at the seams. Like, there will be nothing that can put him back together. If he walks out on it, it's already going to be bad enough with them just figuring out a way to tell him. But my God, if you would have walked in on it, whew. I don't know.

Crazy. And they also make Joey and Pacey sleep together. Yeah. I did love, I did love how they walk in. They realize everybody else is taking the sleeping bags. And Joey goes, Pacey fix this. And Pacey's, Pacey's first thing is like, hey, hey, Dawson,

why don't you switch with Joey so Joey can sleep on the floor. Yeah. And then those two bros can hit the. Andy and Joey should is, or not, yeah, was it? Yeah, Andy and Joey should hit the bed. The boys hit the floor. Like, yeah. I would,

I should have been marked by the aunt, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. But I like, Aunt Julie should have been like, hey, let's have girls in the bed, boys, you're camping out in a different room in the sleeping bags. Yeah. These are teenagers.

There's nothing good that comes from teenagers sleeping. a bedroom together now when there's sexual tension between some of them yeah i just thought that was funny how she was like pacey fix this and he goes okay you're sleeping on the floor then instead of like if i'm him i'm i'm i'm violently waking up andy and being like get in the fucking bed you weirdo yeah quit quit snoring like a psychopath on the on the floor yeah um but yeah oh i do want to touch on uh with Will. He's like you said, Andy is falling for Will because

I don't know, Will. Will was a weird ass character. He mentions Andy's like giving him the third degree. He's like, what's your favorite movie? What's your favorite? And he's like, I read books. What's your favorite book? Do you notice? Did you notice? So he mentions

Catcher in the Rye is his favorite book, which is, that's a, Or just the most stereotypical high school boy favorite book in the world. Wasn't that the book that one guy said made him shoot a president or something? Oh, there's Catcher in the Rye has been noted as the inspiration for multiple assassinations. John Lennon being the biggest one. That's what it is. Yeah.

Yeah. So if a high school boy tells you his favorite book is Catcher on the Rye, okay, fine. If an adult man tells you his favorite book is Catcher on the Rye, that's a red flag run. Lock your doors and run. Like it's rough. And then I, but he says, he says catcher in the rye is my favorite book. He says Salinger, uh, J.D. Salinger is the guy who wrote Ketron, he says Salinger is a god, which is wild.

Yeah. A wild thing to see. Salinger was a fucking weirdo. I don't know if you know anything about Jody Sallinger. No, I don't. I don't. He's, uh, he was a very private guy, but he was a, World War II veteran

he got he had points in his life where he got really into like different Eastern religions he was like an early him and his wife one of his wives was uh were real early on in Scientology and they left because they thought it was fucking weird and then

one of my fans I saw I saw this when I was looking into it one of his favorite he was a huge like movie and uh celebrity like he loved Like he loved celebrities. He's a big movie buff or whatever. Do you know who one of his big, who is like who he loved above all that he was a big fan of?

Mark's brothers. Mark's brothers. Remember the. Yeah. The newspaper clip. Mark's brother, Bash brother. Or was it Mark's brothers? More like Bash brothers.

That stood out to me. I was like, oh, fucking good old Marks brothers. because that's a of course that's a because that was what 1996 everybody got that reference where was I going so yeah Jady Salinger is just a weird a weird guy to call him a god is

crazy but then Dawson chimes in and he goes oh because it's right before they go to my go to his aunt's place whatever and he's like oh you're going to love my aunt she's a big Salinger freak too we also

we do have to point out that the um doing andy dirty in the riding continued by having her deliver the worst karaoke performance out of the entire group so now we're back on to small group karaoke here he's and loves pacey's choice of wild thing very pacey i thought that was good very pace i just don't get i don't get small group karaoke it's just such a crazy thing his aunt was trying to entertain them you know what are you going to do to entertain teenagers in in her small town you know what's not you know it's not entertaining karaoke brandon you're a hater dude some people love karaoke i just i don't want to hear other people sing it's not about it's not about the singing it shouldn't be about the singing it's about the camaraderie it's about the fun like the worst thing for karaoke

is when someone goes up there and it's like oh no i'm not following that like i don't like i If someone goes up there and crushes it, I'm like, Lord, no, I am not going up there. Not going to happen. If someone goes up there and just rips their favorite song and does their thing, I'm like, oh, okay, this feels like a karaoke night that I might, I might jump into as well. I'm, I'm with you in like a, at a bar and a like a, you know, a huge scale karaoke. We're doing a full bar. Then yeah, sure, fine. Go for it.

What I don't want to do is be with three of my. my friends and listen to them sing that sounds like a goddamn nightmare you're a hater dude i just i i don't like karaoke karaoke when people when i just i don't like karaoke it's not my thing i hate it i hate it and i hate people that like it wow i said i said it i said it i said it i think it goes i think that's i think that's why i don't i don't care for musicals either i just don't want i don't want to hear you sing you're not good at it i don't want to hear you sing unless it's me kicking off these pod episodes, right?

Fair point. I mean, I don't, I, I, I'm going to be completely honest with you, Heath. I don't enjoy those either, but it's become, it's become a, it's become a recurring bet. So, I'm not going to, I'm not going to deprive the listeners just because I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't have a great time sitting through it. You don't like it. You are the one who has encouraged it more than anyone. Well, because it saves, it saves me from having to, you know, do a cold open. you know wow brandon i'm her i might never sing again on this podcast i might have a complex

well we're gonna have to come up with something else then you know me weeping silently into my pillow at night from all the hurtful things he said you don't enjoy me singing in the like how on key it normally is like are you shitting me always on rhythm dude that's fucked up Like I put my soul out there for you, Brandon, and this is how you do me. I couldn't, you know what? Sorry, this is a random thought, but you know what? I couldn't believe that I saw this weekend on our social media. The person that said she wanted more.

Oh, we, we have like, could not believe it. We have three or four, like, diehard Dawson's Creek fans that God bless you guys that listen to listen to our Dawson's Creek episodes. But yeah, she was like, I think her exactly hour in 40 minutes. That's it. And I was like, damn, this put Brandon straight because you cut all of our good tangents that we talked about nothing related to the show. They're not good tangents.

We talked in the last episode, I think I we talked for about trips to Washington DC for 30 minutes. I cut all of that because it was fucking nonsense. That was good. That was good. i forgot about it was it was it was 30 fucking minutes dude but too long too long well that's i mean that a lot happened in that dc trip for me right i will my dc trip as well yeah i've got my female body inspector's hat i got my joke lees maybe maybe declared war there you go maybe one of these days i'll go back we'll go back and we'll do like a you know

ds lost tapes some deleted some deleted some deleted deleted tangents that I cut out. Oh my God. Anyways, yeah, I just, I had to say that because I couldn't believe it. She was like, I need more. It's like, what? Kelly's going to hate this. God bless the, you know, the three or four creek heads that love us.

I don't know. I don't know why, but God bless you. I mean, it probably is fun hearing two idiots, one who has never watched the show before, watch it for the first time and like especially if you love it you know what i mean like if you love a show and then you hear someone talking about watching it for the first time it's probably fun yeah yeah like you said we're you know lovable idiots yeah yeah lovable might admit might be a stretch what that one lady saying she's like i love how you guys give the the aspect of a teenage boy to the show what was that i don't remember that there's a comment for one of the

early is either season one or season two where someone was like you know I love the teenage boy aspect it's like well we're adult men technically but thank you thank you for enjoying our perspective the heart of a teenager yeah that is that is very true that's I mean Kelly says it that's why you know she loves me I have a youthful I have a youthful exuberance I did love it was when I leave the house well well I'll put that in there because Kelly would make me say that when I choose to leave the home. We did get one of my favorite comments. I think I sent it to you. I think it was the first whatever episode that you brought up two men and a baby on. I think it was the first. Yeah. He's like

is this supposed to be a pop culture podcast? You guys are idiots. I'm going to pull it up because it was a fantastic fucking it was a fantastic comment that I loved so much. Where's two men and a baby here? Yes. Yes. I'm going to

I posted the short clip of us talking about children and a baby, and you not knowing anything about who the actors were, what anything was. Yeah. I had no idea who these actors were except for Tom Selleck. Somebody commented one of y'all has very little to contribute on the topic of 80s and 90s pop culture. Hopefully that's not the theme of your podcast. No, the theme of our podcast is Mighty Decks. I just thought that was hilarious.

that guy obviously has no idea how bad i am with names and like you could tell me an actor is in something and until you show me a picture of that actor in the movie i'm not going to recognize it let's see there there's a couple there's like three or four things that i've in each and every one of these dawson's critics episodes i've had to tell you again because you just forgot yeah it's right you know how bad it's gotten brandon like i kelly'll just be sitting in the room and she'll be like, Keith, what are we doing? You kind of lost. I'm like, you know, I've walked into my room three times to do something. And every time I walk in there, I forget what I walked in there for.

And that's like my whole day now, you know, like it's just this sleep deprivation. And it is, it is the worst. And my memory is only getting worse. So that's a terrifying thing. Especially people. Like, unless I interact with you. you daily like sorry you know like I forget even then dude and I've always kind of been like that like my buddies would be like hey you know like we're gonna hang out with this group of people and I'd be

like who they're like Heath we went over to their house last weekend and I'd be like ah what do they look what are they and they're like they look like they look like this it's like can you show me a picture and like they'll pull up Facebook and I'll be like oh yeah I know who that is like yeah I know we hung out with them last fucking weekend you moron so i've always been tough with like remembering people you're gonna be just like my dad with with with noel to where every friend that she has i'm gonna accidentally call the wrong name dude you know my so i had a uh a high school girlfriend oh you told this story for like and we did it for like eight years past high school not he called her by the wrong name

Every fucking time for eight years. Eight years. That's tough. That's tough. I hopefully won't be that. Like after the first year, hopefully I'll have locked in a little bit. Hopefully. Who knows, you know, who knows.

But anyway, so, yeah, stolen kisses. This ends with where I was like, oh, yes. Where Joey kisses Pacey. Brand it. Yeah. Loved it. Can't wait for this fallout. These last four episodes are going to be heaters.

That was the first thing I thought of. As soon as Joey kiss Pacey like that, I was like, oh, Lord, have mercy. We are in for a treat these last four episodes. It is like business is going to pick up. You know what I mean? Like JR from WWE, he'd be so fired up. He'd just like, oh my God, they broke him in half. Yeah.

Like it's going to be that kind of stuff. You know, business is picking up. bleeding like a stuck pig. Did I think you sent it to me like his reactions to Triple H like oh yeah that's son of a bitch that son of a bitch he betrayed everything and everyone he knows what sick son of a bitch oh so good so good how dare you triple H how dare you you let everyone down

I miss JR he was like early 2000s attitude era And a little past that, JR was the fucking best. Absolutely best. With him doing that and then the king talking about everybody's breasts all the time. Oh, yeah. Puppies. Puppies. Deborah and the puppies.

Oh, gosh. Anyways, all right. But so we get the, we, we end with another kiss. We end with Joey's kiss of on Pacey. Like he said, Heath, we are. we're in it now okay this is this is uh end game as as captain america said we're in the end game now okay final four episodes season three we're in captain america right doesn't he say that i don't know yeah yeah yeah i've watched marvel in a while

the the the movie is the avengers end game but i do believe like you said like i do there's a line in there where somebody says we're in the end game now yeah i i feel like like it was captain america i could be wrong again if i'm wrong don't correct me could have been tony stark who knows could have been one of them could have been but we're in it he's last four these last four episodes of season three are going to be a wild ride i can't wait there's there will be much much exclamation much shenanigans i just i can't wait i just like i said before a lot of the creek heads This is their favorite season and the biggest reason for that is the is the is the end of season three. The end is like this is this is top tier for as far as Dawson's Creek.

This is going to be our climax and then from here on out it's everything stems from Dawson finding out like his Dawson is betrayal, betrayal. my friend my soulmate love is dead was that a Dawson impression I don't know was that an impression of the beak maybe that's not that he's going to act it's not a good one of it that's what's going to happen though he's going to he's going to react exactly like that brain man maybe worse maybe worse maybe worse he might kill him

I just drown Pacey. Just throw him off the boat in the ocean. That would be a wild turn. Like, hey, I don't know what happened. We were just on the boat and then Pacey Phil. It's a real, real Jen and, oh shit, what's her name? Jen and Abby. Abby.

Yeah. It's a real Abby situation we have going on here. What is, what does Buzz say when he's, when he's talking about, when he tells Basie, his dad's dead? Oh, he's, he's fish food. that's right classic but get get ready heath because it's going to be it's going to be everything you've ever dreamed of and more probably yes um but yeah so it's another four after this right i believe it's

episode 20 through 23 yep for next week so correct the next episode and then we'll we'll take a break from from dawson's for a little bit after that before we tackle season four but shout yeah like like you said shout out to the the the three to five uh creek heads that are that are blowing up our very meager social media yeah you make our day make our day love it love