The Cake Eaters - 131. Dawson's Creek Season 3: Episodes 20-23

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

We have come to the end of Season 3 of Dawson's Creek, with episodes 20-23. Heath and Brandon talk through the final episodes, sailing into the sunset, the Dawson crying meme, Jenn & Henry, the Regatta Gala, and then a quick Edina update before wrapping up Season 3.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win it! So open up your morning line, say a little prayer for why you know that if we're hard to stay alive and see the peace in every eye. To know right now, we'll be we did it. We made it through season three, Heath. We did it. We did it. There's something about that Paula Cole song playing before these episodes. that just it gets your mind right for these. Like, I don't know what it.

It's like it transforms your mindset. It's like a late 90s, early 2000s teenager. It's like, you know, with like sleeper agents when we like, you know, play, you know, with the. Oh, very MK Ultra. Yeah, when they have like a sound or a word that snaps them in. That's kind of what that song is, you know, just get you get your mind right. It's this season. was something else too.

And like, what, what a way to end it. We have the freaking Dawson meme. You know, like we saw, we conclude with the Dawson meme. We get Joey freaking Pacey. We get Dawson pitching a fit. Kelly watched this

first episode with me, Brandon. And she was like, why is Dawson being such a little bitch boy? She just kept, she was like, God, that's such a little bitch boy move. I was like, yeah. Welcome to Dawson. Welcome to Dawson in the creek.

Welcome to the creek, baby. They had to build an entire episode called The Longest Day where everyone, you witnessed everyone having to tiptoe around Dawson's reactions. That was the conclusion that Kelly came to is that everyone had to prepare for Dawson's reactions knowing that he's not emotionally mature enough to. handled this type of news. Well, and we also about Andy being a big bitch, too.

Oh, and Brandon, I said, oh, my gosh, don't even get me started on Andy. I was literally, we're sitting there and I was like, what the fuck is Andy being so me for? She sexes up, some freaking rando at the loony bin, and then she's given

Pacey grief about a freaking kiss with freaking Joey. Have you ever heard of opposites attract people? Have you ever heard of the, like it's the poisoned apple, you know? It's the forbidden fruit branded,

for the love of God. It's, I don't know. Anyways, just chat my ass that Andy, cheater Andy, sexing up, a loony bend guy, has the audacity to talk to Pacey about this.

Get out of here, Andy. He has no moral high ground in this situation. I forget if it was this episode or a later one when they're talking it through. But Andy, she makes the comparison between what she did and what Pacey did as if it's similar or compare it. And it's not. They're not even together. No, they haven't been together for months.

Just dating a whole whole buddy guy. Yeah. Pacey's poor buddy just sitting there freaking standing there like an awkward. guy just having to be awkward. Well, he, he, uh, he handled it very well, uh, because yeah, she freaks out,

uh, right before they go on the, on the, on their first date on a little boat. And he's just, and he's on the, yeah, he, he handled it very well, though. He was like, well, I guess you don't like me that much. So, so. So may as well wrap this. Yeah. But, um, like, like he said, um, when you're talking about the opposite attract and the forbidden fruit and all that got

stuff Pacey mentions it a couple different times to Dawson throughout these episodes where he's like I can't believe why are you so shocked that somebody somebody else falls fell in love with Julie Porter like how yeah you you can't you evolve people like and Pacey did a good job of calling Dawson out to where it's like dude what what history do you have you guys constantly break like doing the awkward dance for how long and then breaking up as soon as anything gets bad because you both are the and then continuing to to refuse to get back together like and joey joey said it and when one of the again all these episodes are blue together but she

said it in one of these where she was like you don't like you don't want to be with me you just don't want to lose me you know like it's not yeah it's ridiculous it's ridiculous i it's ridiculous i it's ridiculous I just yeah I couldn't couldn't believe it couldn't believe how everyone was being too mean to Pacey in that episode everyone was being too mean to Pacey Pacey did nothing wrong I mean it was just Andy and in in Dawson that were being mean to him and exactly and he calls him uh she's like how could you be so stupid uh yeah it's just Brandon it drove me and Jen Jen Jen Jen didn't drop in the fucking bomb come on jen you got to have more you got to have more more tax than that well i don't know that's that actually didn't surprise me that's a very high school

accidental thing that happens all the time but poor jen we just jen and henry i'm over i'm over poor jen now she's she's continuously choosing to date the worst person in the world this is her fault that that is true i i'm full on victim blaming jen now you You lose empathy for Jen when Dawson's mom literally had to be like, hey, get your fucking creepy-ass boyfriend out of here. He's like ruining one of the busiest nights of the month for the restaurant because he's being a creed. Like the fact that she was like, hey, thanks. Hey, my boss just told me to kick you out of here because you're so creepy. Let's have a date on the roof instead.

Yeah. That whole. That didn't go. That didn't jive with me. Brandon, but you jive turkeys. That whole thing, um, you've seen the semi pro right? I'll fucking love that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, uh, um, yeah, the whole the side, Henry was just extra creepy during these episodes. I will say though, Jen massively overreacting to football camp. That was wild. Yeah, it's, it's football camp. Like that's it's eight weeks. Why these people, because Dawson did it with Joey when she wanted to go to Paris where it's like if you if you leave for for a month my whole you know

the relationship's over yeah two months god forbid that a guy that play there's a starting quarterback as a freshman goes to a football camp now green that he's weird and we don't like him yeah but dude dude can go to football camp he was he he probably he should have he should just said something before prom probably but those that was such a massive overreaction by jen it was it was ridiculous she just she was uh i was i was all out on jen during these episodes because she just was constantly making the wrong choice between this holding the signs outside her house is one thing that's that's that's terrible enough as this especially that's terrible i don't know why was a love actually was it a nod to love actually was love actually was love actually and

out yet this is way before love actually oh um well maybe not way before me is this where love actually did love actually steal it from this is that i mean people people have been using signs since the the dawn of the millennium that you know but uh i'm never i don't believe in signs brand it really it really bothered me and i don't know why but it really bothered me that he he wrote her full name on the sign you know why why do why are we dropping last names just right Jen. She knows it's she knows the science for her. You don't got to write her name on it. Yeah. I, I don't know. Is that that that's the last episode though, right? Like that's the very last episode or is that the second to last episode because then Graham's is like, hey, you better not have sexed is sexed him up.

You know, Grams gave her the sex talk. No, so this was this this. This would be the, the episode 21, I believe. Yeah. Oh, okay. This is before prom. Because the signs at least. The signs are the episode before prom. Okay. So then that's 21. That's Show Me Love. That's when you've got your favorite, the regatta.

The boat regatta gala. Did you see the... I laughed so hard when they were like, oh, it's the boat race regatta. And I was like, Brandon is going to be so happy. I clocked out. Did you clock the sign? I think it was at the restaurant. And it was like, you know,

a painting there like a mural behind them and it was promoting the regatta and like a picture of a boat and over the top of it it said you got a regatta no that's a hell of a slogan that's a hell of a slogan that was uh i was so i was still punk for the regatta gala though oh dude and there was so much juicy small town action going on in the regatta yeah everybody's sponsoring each other

Oh, my God, the cross-pollinating, the sponsors, the friendship fallout, because that's a very, like, small-town thing where it's like, oh, we've been planning this sponsorship, and then we had a friendship fallout out of nowhere, and now we're all just in big trouble here, you know? And then Gail and Henry getting back together. Well, along those lines, you have Henry, whose restaurant is sponsoring Pacey, but then he is helping. on the crew with Dawson. Yeah. We got conflicts of interest all over the place here. Yeah. I mean,

well, and Dawson Deutton. Deacon. Oh, my God. It must kill people. Yeah.

Dawson breaching etiquette, getting disqualified, real piece of shit moved by Dawson, I'd have to say, you know? Like, that's, that's some shady work right there.

Yeah. You got to, yeah, when your, your, uh, disqualification is so bad that the announcer is like is like what the fuck is going on like oh my god this is a breach of etiquette here

a breach of hudocardin brand oh yeah no these these uh these these episodes were crazy to go back to the first one they fight with the talk about some rich kid shit sorry for interrupting you but talk about some rich kid shit fighting with boat races instead of fists that's that's that's that's that's some that's some northeastern rich people shit that we don't understand brandon no i would never be able to understand that so yeah you want to you want to throw down let's race our boats who's boat did dawson get i can't remember but just fucking what he just leached off of someone i don't know and then he almost he almost wrecked the boat that he borrowed did it's just anyways yeah i can yeah i can't remember who's

boat he borrowed yeah but yeah did jenn and henry that's that's if you're gonna have a date with that kid on the roof you better be pushing him off am i right like that's the only that's the only good conclusion of a henry date yeah well it's like you said between the signs falling her around all that kind of stuff was crazy um and then to go back to the the first episode the longest day she she she accidentally tells Dawson and she's feeling all bad about it he comes out and he's like you know it would make you feel better is if is if uh as if we fucking boned uh and just starts kissing her and ignoring she's like do you even want to know what happened and he just keeps fucking that that was wild that was like like how do we how do we not break this off right now have you have you never consoled anyone brandon not with my tongue Maybe that's what I'm doing. Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong.

You've been doing it all wrong. You need to learn a thing or two from Henry. I need to start modeling my, my romantic endeavors after Henry. That's, that's what I've been doing wrong this whole time. He got the girl, Brandon.

He did. He got the girl and he got football camp. He got the best of both girls. Yeah, it's starting freshman quarterback. It's, okay, that's,

everything about Henry. That's my, my new, my new goals, be more like, Henry. Is it the way you talks that just is like even the way like the way he acts in is it the way he acts like as an actor.

It's the way he talks. Gives the creepiest vibes. Like he could just be like, hey, Jen, would you like to go to the movies at 7 p.m.? And I'd be like, ugh. It's it's two things because I completely agree. I do not care. No offense to the to the actor. he's in a bunch of other stuff

I just don't again he just like you said he just he just gives me weird vibes and I think it's two I think it's two things it's the it's the big dough eyes they throw me off the big his eyes are so big and then it's also he does a lot of like

he does like a lot of lip movements and lip work like when he's talking he's like always yeah and he's always like kind of like licking them and like he's always like pouting them I think that's what throws me off at least That's what makes it creepy to me. It's the big eyes and like the weird lip stuff that he does.

Got it. It's not as it's not as obvious as like the kid in dazed and confused touching the nose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, always touching his nose in that movie. He drove me fucking crazy. But no, no, no. But yeah, I think John Dawson makes Joey the prize. Oh, sorry, keep going.

Sorry, I got ADHD going hard tonight. I'm barely even alive right now, Brandon. I was just going to say. Survive the move, though. I don't think you did. I mean, I'm alive. I was just going to say, I was to say, no, no, you know, no harsh feelings. Michael Pitt is the guy who plays them.

Yeah, I'm sure great. We always love that. This is, this is, we do a good job, Brandon, separating the actors and the acting, you know. All great people, I'm sure, or terrible, I'm sure. I'm going to Google his name real quick before I start to one of them. I'm sure it could be terrible, could be good. but the one thing that we do is like, you know, it's, it's nothing personal. Not, not a good person.

Just going to throw that out there. Not a good person. So fuck that guy. All right. Well, then perfect. Hey, you sucked up. You just, you sucked up Dawson Creek season three so hard to almost unforgivable standards.

Do you think it was his acting or the writing that made him so incredibly unlikable as a character in this season? It's more writing. It's more writing because there's just, there's just nothing as a, As a character, there's nothing redeeming about Henry. None. Him and Andy just, they were the two. Like, I've, I, Andy's on, she's out. Well, yeah.

I'm, I'm, I'm fully out on Andy. I have been for a while. So you've, you've made your, your feelings on Andy very clear. I could just, I could do without them, you know. Just send her back to the loony bend, send Henry to football camp for the next four years. Dude, I thought we were, I thought we were done with Henry. I was so excited. and the goddamn grams

telling her freaking story I just can't believe that Jen's thought process is like so my boss is basically like hey get this creep out of here you're fired and so that makes me think that this is a good guy

what a grand what a grand romantic gesture she literally is like hey this is weird as shit get this fucking kid out of here rooftop picnic can fix a lot though. I mean, yeah, well, let's say, right, right time of the year, too, like, you know, like early, early summer or

late summer, you know, where they're still like, it's not too hot, maybe a, like a cool breeze running and you're just seeing the stars, you know, and the further eyes. The light of the boats. She mentioned that, you know, very romantic. Beautiful, Brandon, very. And then they were doing, they were doing the fireworks for the, for the gala, too, I think great. She mentioned that. So love. Love. Love good, you know, fireworks. Especially regatta fireworks. Dude, do you know those are 90s regatta fireworks?

They didn't give a shit about the environment. No safety regulations. Yeah, the glow of the fireworks bouncing off the water. Come on, dude. Yeah. Let's go. They didn't give a shit about limbs and fingers. They didn't give a shit about global warming.

They're blowing these motherfucking fireworks up. Oh, yeah. I bet they were sick. And then they're just dumping all the trash in the water after. Well, you know, like, what are you going to go out there with your boat and scoop it up with a net or something? That's crazy talk. Anyway, so, yeah, it just, the regatta was something else. The boat fight, Dawson getting disqualified.

Like, you would, like, Dawson, that he just, like, does any, how does anyone come away from the regatta galla being like, you know, Dustin's not a bad kid? Well, Pacey says that. He goes, when he's talking to her at the wall. Great point with Joey, right? I've heard exactly what he says, but he's like, he was like, I would have thought that his behavior today. I think he said that. Like, I would have thought after his performance today that like, something would have clicked of like, hey, maybe Dustin kind of sucks. Yeah.

Especially because it's, I still. People could have gotten hurt. He could have crashed a boat into the ocean. it's not his boat that's the other thing I can't get over that it's not his boat that wasn't his boat the blatant disregard for someone else's private property Brandon that's was it was it jack's boat it wasn't jack's boat it was it was like

it was someone that jack knew right like jack something like that yeah it was his dad's jack's dad was it okay yeah I think it was big pop-a-pump dad you know big pop-a-pump although if you hear me Dude, the fucking math specialist. Anyways. Yeah, dude, just the blatant disregard for Jack, Jack's dad's boat, just, you know, freaking Dawson, that selfish son of a bitch.

Yeah. What? RIP James Vanderweek. We love, we'll always love the beak, but my God, Dawson. Yeah. Because he has his dad right behind him being like, don't do this. Don't do that. Yeah.

did Mitch should have just like grabbed him by the the scruff of the neck pulled his ass off the freaking steering wheel it's not a steering wheel whatever it is yeah anyways pull his ass off maybe not a wheel I don't know grab him by the scruff of the neck freaking pull his ass off the wheel and direct the boat how it's supposed to like say this is every once in a while corporal punishment is needed and box and docks and docks and Dawson's ears in a little bit for trying to crash a, you know, obviously multi-thousand-dollar boat at the very least. Like, he's shit together, Dawson. God, it just Dawson chapped my backside. That's it. He was, I couldn't believe it. Kelly's bitch boy, Dawson. Well, and then.

On the money with it, though, he sucked these last four episodes. He really fucking sucked. He did. He did. Normally there's like a, you know, an episode. I'm redeeming something. With a little glimmer. There's none of that, none of that.

No, it was just, and I think that it was supposed to be a little bit of a glimmer when he was like, Joey, go to Pacey. Oh, yeah. At the end when he, when he tries to, you know, disingenuously be the bigger man. Yeah. He's like trying to release the wild, the animal back into the wild. Go! Oh, get out of here. Get it.

He did. get yeah go on get yeah you better get he did do that he's like i'm telling you just go just go go on get oh my god and then it's the the thing is is like now knowing where that that cry was perfect for the moment like now like not knowing where the meme came from and now seeing the scene is like that was the most Dawson like I want to make this even like I'm going to make this the most dramatic cry of my life because I am a drama queen. When they cut back to him a couple minutes later and he's still on a dock and he like falls to his, he falls down to his knees or whatever.

Like, oh my God. Oh, come on. You know that's he was he had some kind of freaking like movie, you know, like what's a, what's a movie where the person gets their heartbroken? and there's standing in the rain screaming out. He was acting that out. You know, he was in his mind. It's like, what would Spielberg do in this situation?

Damn it. What's these? What a doozy of the last four? Like, in the fact, Brandon, they literally floated off into the sunset on the boat. Like, they're, they're sailing to the floor. Keys, which is crazy. Two teenagers sailing on the ocean to the Florida Keys alone.

Who is signing off on this? Wild. Like that is neglectful parenting. Like CPS is like child protective services is all over that, dude. Well, we are. I mean, we are. It's the summer before senior year. So we're 17.

They're too old, I guess, but still, Jesus, Brandon, that is irresponsible all the way around everyone. It's irresponsible for everyone. Because, and correct me if I'm wrong, Hacy isn't like a lifelong sailor, right? His boat was not even functional merely months before this. Yeah, but I would imagine he probably sailed a little bit before, but he, there was no, there's no indication that he's an amazing, other than the fact that he almost won the got to um but like that's an amazing sailing journey to the keys that's crazy the way down the coast yeah from the cape to the keys dude and that's not in that's not

just like oh easy breezy sailing like you can hit the all kinds of weather along that coast he did hopefully they made a pit stop in savannah though right am i right that's been dope yeah um he did promise dug though that he would stay close to the shore And then he probably something else, but I forget. Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, I was seeing that to myself. I was like, I don't know if Pacey is a good enough sailor for this.

But I guess he is. I mean, he did almost win the regatta. He did almost win. If it wasn't for that, if it wasn't for that damn Dawson. Fucking Dawson, dude, do you, yeah, Dawson, dude,

Dawson cheating to keep Pacey from winning. That's him. Dude, that's some real friendship ender stuff. Like that's stuff where like, you know, like you could have been set like their friendship could have been salvageable. If I'm pacey, Dawson tried to kill me and wreck my boat just merely to prevent me from winning because he was delusional enough to believe that the winner would win Joey. She was not up for grabs, by the way.

Not available for a prize. Yeah. Yeah, she was not listed under the prize section. I just, yeah, this is, anyways, yeah. Yeah, he, I think that's another Dawson annoying thing, is he is, because he thinks in movies all the time, he is always thinking of, like, he thinks he, he thinks if he wins the regatta, he wins her, he thinks if he pulls off a successful anti-prong, he wins her, he thinks if he does this, he wins her. It's like, we're like, that's got a, God, it's so exhausting.

Yeah, it's, you know, this isn't, uh, what is it, 16 candles, you know, you're not holding up the, you're not sitting on your car, you know. Why, I think, is that the, is that the, you're thinking to say anything with the jukebox? Is that what you're thinking of? Yeah, but 16 candles is, he's leaning on the car and she looks out the window and he's like, what's, what's uh i'm i'm i'm a cool hot guy oh yeah probably he's like i think so okay since it's been a while since i've seen that movie it's it's been a while for me to back on it it feels slightly inappropriate um well i mean i regret it it's been years since i've seen six is that one way the little asian guy gets the his his hands on her underwear

in the bathroom oh god i don't remember that at all i don't know All right. Are you thinking you weren't thinking of like a real life scenario where you stole somebody's underwear? No. It's, uh, butters, underwear, no. I have, I have heard many people refer to you as a small Asian man, so. I don't remember that at all from 60 candles, though. Granted, the only thing I remember is, uh, her is the candles.

It is 16 candles. It is 16 candles. I stand I stand uh well not corrected because I didn't disagree with you but I stand it I stand informed now he's yeah yeah those those uh John Hughes right or is yeah right John Hughes we get that's his name the like director of all those like the fat breakfast club yeah John Hughes yeah yeah yeah John he is that was a those John Hughes classic those 80s movies uh hold up fairly well but there's yeah there's like three or four scenes in everyone where you're like, ooh,

I'm done without this. It's an interesting choice. You know, it's no, it's no, uh, blank check where we're just, you know, we're just going for it. You know, no blank check, no first kid, dude. Percy. Uh, anyways, well, yeah.

So, so, yeah, that was the regatta. We, I think we got the regatta pretty good. Um, the regatta gala. regatta gala you got a regatta he's and then god, you're so dumb and then and then when when Pacey

cuts like first of all Pacey naming his boat true love hated that's not that Pacey's not naming his boat true love why not he's not that's a Dawson boat name but such a freaking no come on

Dosson should have Put like teacher, teacher sex, sex guy. Dawson would have named his boat, Dawson. No way. Dawson would have named his Spielberg. I did. I did like after he thought, Joey rejected him.

He went and pulled it off the boat and threw it in the water. True love. Out of here. Doesn't exist. dead. All right. But then we get the freaking anti-prime, and we kind of talked about it. But poor, poor Jack, right?

Like, that girl that was in charge of the prom that was being mean as shit. Barbara Jones? Yeah, Barbara Jean or something like that. She was. Billy Jean is not my love. Barbara John. I am the woman. Barbara Jones.

John's. Dude, she was just a real ripe asshole, you know? Like, it just nothing, nothing good fell out of her mouth at all. And it's, the, the problem with the anti-prime wasn't the anti-promp. Because like, if that's who's in charge of the normal prom, can't blame these for half the school for one, their own damn prom. That was a huge turnout.

Yeah, because you can't, like, of course there was, did you say, if you're paying $80 to that asshole, like, $80 is crazy. It was in 1999. That is too much for a prom. Especially when the theme is couples. Boy, that's not a, that's not a theme. No. That's not a theme.

Yeah. Not at all. And then you can't couple, champion. Like, if people. want to go as friends to the prom. Yeah. Like, it's the prom.

Like, usually the problem is like a group of people and like you pair off just out of convenience and social norms. Like that's, we, we had a, yeah, we had a bunch of people that went,

uh, with a stag, right? Is when you go by yourself? Yeah. Yeah. We had a bunch of people at my high school, not me because I was a fucking ladies,

man. But we had a bunch of people that went stag, you know? There's friendship couples everywhere. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like Love Island, friendship couples.

Exactly. And then you bang it at the end of the night. Just one and dead. There's nothing wrong with a little friendship being. Yeah. A little rock and jock, be ball jam. Rock and jock. But so anyways, I just, the problem, though, is that you have people like Dawson and Andy

leading the charge for the anti-promp. And so instead of something that, you know, a lot of the the undertow of the high school could really rally behind, you got these fucking losers leading it. You know, like it's just anyways, I don't know. It just great idea, poor execution. Like, not even poor. It was great execution. It was just poor leadership because you got freaking Andy who was. Andy was just the hall monitor.

her like two months ago being the worst, making everyone hate her, giving everyone freaking detentions for no reason because she's going by a 1950s rulebook. There's no way people like her enough to be like, yeah, you know what I should do? Skip regular prom and go to this Looney bin prom. Yeah, I think, I think you're right there where it was, it's just one of, it's the fact that a, uh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. any day now.

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What does that say about her? That people are avoiding her. And choosing Andy over her. Honestly, if that happened when I was in high school where somebody was doing like an anti-prong, I would probably go to the anti-prong just to, you know, just to mix it up, you know? Well, if the anti-prom is half price, it's at least worth mowing over. I was not clocking how much money they were giving Jack when they were buying but I imagine you undercut that, right?

You're charging, you're charging 30, 40 bucks. I think that's what they were saying. At most, you're going to go half price. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because you're already renting a tux. You got to pay for pictures. You got to rent a tux.

So you're paying $80 for, dude. I did love Ethan's joke where he was like, I can't believe we wore the same thing. I thought that was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but you felt you felt bad for Jack. Fricking Barbara Johns was. And then Jack was.

So you feel bad for Jack when Barbara Johns is being the worst. But then Jack, I feel bad. I feel for everything that doesn't involve Ethan, I feel bad for Jack. Because he got, he got bullied out of the normal prom by Barbara Johns. And then he got bullied into his own prom by his friends. Yeah. he's getting bullied by everybody. Poor kid.

Poor kid is trying to figure himself out, you know? And he's just, but the problem is, is that he is too stuck on the victimness of it all that he's not enjoying it. Turns out that, you know, the other guy was, you know, just kind of playing multiple dudes at the same time.

But anyways, it's just, Ethan wasn't playing multiple dudes at the same time. He didn't go back to him until, Jack was a butt hole about prom? I imagine that's what happened is he was like he was, you know, hanging out with Jack and then went to prom with Jack and then at the end of, you know, Jack, you know,

fucking was a dick to him at prom, didn't kiss him and he was like, well, I guess this is over. And yeah, did you see, did you see who his boyfriend was though? Did you recognize him? It was someone I did recognize, but now I'm blanking on it. It's the dude. He's in Remember the Titans. He's Gary Burtier's racist friend who, like, misses the block on purpose.

Oh. That's who that's who his boyfriend was. Real piece of work. I highly doubt Ethan was, you know, you know, two-time in and playing the field. I think he got rejected by Jack at prom and was like, well, I guess this is over. Let me let me hit up my old boy toy. yeah yeah it just and then the anti-prom is when we find down about football camp and jen gets mad at henry about football camp but uh and once again we get teased we think all right it's over it's finally over over the river and through the woods to grandmother's house we go away from henry in actuality grandma's the ones that grandma is the one that ruined it goddamn it grams

this is when uh what is this is one of those situations from the last batch of episodes when um joey's uh this is the last patch or maybe the match before with the b and b and she's yelling at at pacey and she's like you're going around inspiring people that have no reason to be inspired that's what graham's was doing she's out there just fucking shit up exactly you should not be inspiring this love story you should be detracting from it you were there you saw this kid standing outside your home with a sign like a creepy loser he's the side we're only a few episodes removed from him standing in the rafters yeah and like i don't know it's it's like like you're in uh stepbrothers you know when he's like it's just something about his face you know it is it's his face it's just

yeah it's just something about his face it just makes you like he the the way his face looks when he's holding the sign it's like god i hate you yeah it's like i just you deserve to just get you to just get drug by your collar out of that front yard you creepy weird loser kid yeah dude if i have to deal with that on my front lawn brandon my god just he wasn't even in baseball bat out there he wasn't even on the front lawn right he was in the backyard even worse trespassing i that's it yeah i'm calling the cops you're getting trespassed because the the creek was behind him yeah oh my god dude he's just i don't know there's a lot of a lot of stuff a lot of shit going on in that creek these last four episodes yeah and then gale proposes to mitch lord have mercy you know that the

Gail Mitch thing was wild. And then the wedding. Out of nowhere. Wedding. Real quick wedding. Real quick. I like it. And then like they did, they did the vows.

The whole time I was like, I, yeah, except for that year when you were banging your coworker. Yeah. There's this, it's wedding vows with an asterisk. Yeah.

It just. Yeah. We've already done this. before. Yeah, you knew you loved him forever. Was that also taking place when you're having your ankles touch your ears with Johnny Broadcaster, you know, that you were just, it couldn't believe it. That's all that's such a weird because they, I mean, they obviously didn't write their own vows because they were, they were both saying the same lines. But there was a weird line where I loved you before I knew you. That's a weird line to me. And the thing is, is like, if you're going

round two, spare the vows. Let's just, you know, like, you can, you can, like, hey, unless your vows are, hey, let's go round two, hopefully we can figure it out this time. I don't want to hear him. Yeah. Yeah, actually. Honestly, having a wedding,

a second wedding with people after all that is, I get it. Some people do it, but it's not for me. Not for me. Did they get divorced? Did they get a finalist? I was going to say, I don't know if they ever actually actually got divorced. And for you to divorce, to break up divorce and then remarry within three years is wild.

Just kind of wasting everyone's time. Yeah, that's a lot of snap decisions we're making here, guys. And I guess, you know, to empathize gently with Dawson, and then we wonder why Dawson is an overly dramatic. you know, piece of work that he is. And then his parents are doing this shit. He walks in at first, like, was it the first episode?

He walks in on them. They're, they're just throwing down on the coffee table. Oh yeah. Much of heathens. Him and Pacey walking on him. Yeah. A bunch of heathens.

Yeah. Well, because Pacey drops the line in, uh, I think it was the longest day where he's like, oh, they never locked the door. I just walk in.

I've been walking in for my whole life. Yeah. Just walking in on him sexing. I get that's a small town thing where you don't lock your doors. I'm sure you guys didn't lock your doors in Wayne America, right? You know, I can't remember. There was never, there was never a need to. Yeah, like we didn't need to.

That's such a wild concept to me, mainly because of how, like my, my, you know, paranoid psychosis that I have. I've read, I've read too many true crime and serial killer stuff to where that is just mind-boggles. They just check doors. Like, they're just, you'll check the door. I'm going to get this wrong. And the true crime people that, I have to say the true crime people that listen to this podcast, nobody listens to this podcast. The true crime people are going to correct me.

I believe it was the Golden State killer or it was some serial killer in California where he killed like, you know, you know, like double digits worth of people. And when they finally caught him, they were like, how did you pick your victim? I was like, what did you do? How did, what was your mythology or your, you're thinking behind that? He was like, I just went up to doors and tested them. If it was unlocked, I figured they wanted me to come in and murder him. Jesus. We put a little like, ever since, ever since we lived in the freaking Glendale and people, like, everyone tries to come into.

You can't leave your door unlocked in Glendale. We put a, we put a wedge under the door handle, like to prevent someone from kicking it in. Like it's it's basically like, do you remember like the little clubs for your car? It's like that for your door. Yeah, yeah, Glendale was interesting. Yeah, not locking your doors. It's just always wild to me. I don't get it.

I, I. Even in the safe, like, but like even in Golden, like in our neighborhood, people like you'd like I'd be walking Jenkins and someone would just leave their home and in full workout reggae. and just go running. And I was like, you just witnessed me watching you leave your home unlocked and you're just going to keep going. That's fine. But damn.

But yeah, so counterculture, anti-promp. It's, you know, like, shout out to Mitch and Gail. They like, they put on a good event there at the restaurant for not being restaurant people and having to put on their first big event. I thought Gail did a great job. It was a bunch of weirdo losers from the high school. And everyone, you know, everyone had fun. Everyone good, good, clean fun.

It looked like, you know, there was no, what was Jen's friend again? I'm like on Abby, there was no Abby drunken disorderly conduct. Nobody crashed in the party. Yeah. The anti-prime went off without a hit. Shout out to Mitch and Gail. but, you know, it's freaking Dawson

just Dawsoning it up in there. Well, wait, Pacey's stuck in there for a dance and then all hell broke loose. Yeah. Oh, my God. It did, too. Dawson, Dawson, Dawson, Dawson. I know, yeah. So he, so Pacey,

I love that Dawson was like, there were a couple instances where Dawson was like, how dare you fucking show up? What do you like, how the, the gall of Pacey to show up to this. Like he says it about the, the prom. He's like, I can't believe he would show up to this prom. And it's like all of his friends are there.

Yeah. Dawson boxing. I did feel bad for Joey. I said it out loud. I was like, boy, Joey's got to make some new friends. Like, the fact that her love trying. They would all benefit. fit from new friends.

Because like Joey sad walking through the freaking lunch room and it did like it was like Joey, you got to you've lived in that town for forever. You could have talked to someone besides Dawson. I mean, they do mention multiple times. She is like the weird, the weird kid that nobody, you know. She there's she's that weird potter girl that like her dad's in jail. You know, her mom died. what a fucking loser.

Well, you get that, dude. Only losers have their moms die as children. You know who I ate lunch with after my mom died? Teachers, teachers, Heath. Teachers. I mean, the only way you can prevent your child from becoming a dope fiend in Cape Side is to make sure they don't hang out with that fucking potter degenerate. Yeah.

That fuck is the the nerd, the nerd who scored the highest. on the SATs. Yeah. How dare she a freaking drugger. Yeah. It just anyways, I. But Dawson does, he does that at the prom where he's like, I can't I, I didn't believe he showed up. I didn't think he would show up to this. And then he does that at the, that male and Gitch's, male and Gitch's wedding where, um, Casey is. in I guarantee you they invited him guarantee you they invited him of course it's pacey he's known them his whole like and then and then he's so he shows up he stays in the back he doesn't make a scene he doesn't do anything he's just hating out there and dawson goes what the fuck are you doing

here dude and it's like relax it's it's he's he's he's here for the wedding of very few people he's known your yeah like Dawson being surprised Pacies there was the dumbest surprise ever yeah of course he's like with it's it would be like it almost feel rude for him

not to go exactly yeah like these these two people are essentially his his surrogate parents you know they they essentially raised him yeah I don't know it just freaking Dawson was

such a little bitch these last four episodes. There's just no other way to put it. The good news is he doesn't get the girl. So that's I will just I will never get over the fact that this season literally ended with them sailing off into the sunset. Why that cracks me up so like it's like you know it's like everyone goofs

around about it as being like super played out love stores. Oh, their love is going to sail off into the sunset. And then it just really happened. So I, I got along those lines. They finally are like, let's let's get together. Let's do this. Freaking shout out Doug for pulling Joey over and convincing her to like Pacey.

He, he, so he had one line in the first episode, the, the longest day where he was like, Pacey, um, you're a fucking little bitch. You're going to end up all alone with no friend and no girlfriend. And I was like, oh, okay, that's, that was a little bit much. But outside of that, he's the hero of the, this, this little stretch of episodes. He, he's, he's the only reason that they get together because he fucking, he, he, he wasn't even going to tell her. He was just going to fucking bail.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fricking. freaking dark but um save the damn but along those ones so they they decide they're like okay let's do this i let's joey's finally like i'm in i just i choose you and then they're just making out hard making out hard

they were making out so hard in those going back to the first episode like they were just in random places making out so so crazy anyways keep going But so their first act as a couple is to spend a month, non-stop together, in a confined space, sailing, like, that's got to be, those days are going to be long. And it's what a testament to, a brand new teenage relationship to be confined to tight quarters with no entertainment during gruesome conditions because there's no way that they packed accordingly.

Do you think that Casey was able to provide provisions for two for a month long trip? So they did show him every time he was on the boat, he was packing shit up and it looked like it was all like, you know, non-perishable food. So I think they might be good there, but she does mention, I don't have a change of clothes, and he's like, it'll be a few days, he'll be fine. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared.

That's why I remember 988, Canada's suicide crisis hubline. It's good to know, just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada yeah it just that just to spend that amount of time with somebody you just started dating seems crazy yeah they're gonna especially them the opposite how opposite they are they're gonna start fighting with each other immediately yeah i i forget exactly what goes down um because it's been years since I've watched this.

But I would not be shocked if the very first scene of season four is then being like, oh yeah, we broke up. I sailed back after three days and I dropped her off on the shore. Have you ever slept with someone for a week

straight? Have you ever been with someone for a week straight with no proper shower? Yeah. Well, and like you said, there's no entertainment. There's nothing. The only thing you can do is bang. And get on each other's nerves. Yeah.

Have sex and fight. Those are the only two things you're going to do out there. I mean, make up sex. Make up sex on a boat? Let's go. Anyway, so then, yeah, and then freaking Graham's enabling Jen's relationship with. That whole thing where she, which she fucking, you know, whips around, smashes into the trash cans.

And how far did they drive? Three hours, I think they said. Is that it? Okay, I thought that I was like, did they drive to fucking Ohio? It was too far. It was unhinged. It should. Henry is not a person to drive more than five to ten minutes to go get back.

Three hours for a weird if he's, if he's not hanging out in your yard. there's no reason to go just go get him you know yeah you could literally just stay at home not worry about it he'll come back he's he's like a stray cat that you feed i don't know he did he did say after prom he was like this is it you you know i'm not i'm not doing it again that's that's what he keeps saying and then i turn on the next episode and his stupid face is still showing up on my screen. So I just, I don't trust anyone anymore.

This is where trust issues come from, Brandon. Oh. I got some, I got a fun fact for you. Let's do it. To pivot back to Ethan and Jack. Did you know the kiss between them was the first ever kiss between tube in in network TV history? I was wondering if I thought that it was like,

huh I wonder if this kiss has any cultural significance. Oh yeah, I, when during the prank it did, during the prom episode when Ethan was like begging him to kiss him and he was like, you know, I forget exactly what he said, but he was like, there's nobody here, nobody's watching.

Like he made like a big deal about that. I was like, oh, interesting. But yeah, first, first kiss between two men on network TV. And then there's another fun fact here. the scene where Dossin burst into tears as Joey leaves became the internet meme known as Dawson's crying face

what a great meme what a great meme but yeah uh we finally got it though she chooses pacey after a lot of back and forth a lot of nonsense uh i think Pacey even says it where he's like oh after when he's when they're at the wedding and she initially chooses dosson slash not not Pacey. And he's like, oh, and she's like, oh,

Pacey made a good point of like, I don't want to need to stick around here and watch you. Well, that's not. That's, that's, that's a, that's a,

that's a, that's a, fledgling relationship. That's a completely different scene that I'm talking about. Oh, okay. Keep going. Do you want to,

do you want to interrupt with a third random scene that you're thinking of? Yeah, sure. Hold on. I think of this. No, I was talking about whether they're at the wedding. And she comes up,

it's after after the the vows and all that she comes up to him and she's like you can't i can't do this don't make me do this and he's like he's like okay you made your choice you know you picked doss and whatever and he says he's like uh he's like you made your choice uh probably should have done it you know a couple months ago saved us a lot of a lot of time and time and heartache yeah yeah it's uh freaking because honestly honestly It's one of those things I was thinking about this. It's one of those things where once you kiss him and once it becomes, once everybody figures it out and everybody freaks out,

just give it a shot. Yeah, there is no reason. You've already ruined it. Everything's ruined. Just go for it. Like the cat's out of the bag. Right. So what's what there's no losing by giving it a shot.

Like the fact that she reactively did it because of Dawson's reaction was shitty. Yeah. Well, she has a line the night before the wedding at the rehearsal dinner where she says, um, Dawson, like I got it. I need you to know this. You deserve to know this that like the only reason,

she doesn't say the only reason. She says the main reason that I'm not going through with this with Pacey. is because I don't want to lose you. And she says, if there was any chance that I thought you would forgive me, then I would go through with it with Pacey, which is like, at that point,

just do it. What do we? Yeah, exactly. It's like, he'll get over it. He'll be, he'll be fine.

Yeah. It's, I mean. And honestly, how good of a friend are we losing here? And I was just going to say, If anything, do we want to keep Dawson around after he tried to kill Pacey with his boat? And he timed your dad out.

We're forgetting about that again, too. I brought that up four times when Dawson was being a little bitch, Brandon, and Kelly and I were watching it. And I would be like, this is real rich, real rich coming from the guy who strong armed his supposed love. one love into diving out her dad yeah she she says fucked she has a line where she's talking to pacey in one of these episodes and she's like this is dawson he's you know he's everything to me he's been my family when i didn't have any family and i thought to myself yeah you know why you don't have any family right now is because it's through your dad in jail it's yeah it's it's it's one of those things where it's like the constant back i get you know it's a tv show we got to do it you got you got

you got to extend the drama here a little bit but the constant back and forth so let's just can we can we can we can we make a goddamn decision for once true real real real chaotic scenes here and i almost said point place um i've been watching a lot of that 70 show um cape side baby cap side keeps it. But yeah, we made it through season three, though, Heath. She chooses Pacey.

They sail off into the sunset. It's beautiful. And I want to wait for our lives to be over. And they didn't want to wait. And now they're just, they're just going to be trapped together. Grahams.

Graves, it was like, you can't wait. You got to seize the day. Carpe die. So as the boat was called. Yeah, I mean, we sang about it when we listened to Newsies, you know. Open the gates and seize the day. I blocked that out. It's a great movie.

Christian Bales finest. He's barely even done good movies after Newsies. Real fall from grace. Yeah. But yeah, I just, the Dawson. meme cry at the end of the season was a real cherry on top. It was a real cherry on top.

The sailing off to the sunset. They did cut. They cut away from the crying too soon, in my opinion. They should have let that linger. Oh, we could have done with at least five more seconds, but I just, I hope beyond hope, and we don't have to spoil it. But I, the biggest takeaway for me is like,

we got to get Henry out of here for season four. We got to get that kid out of here. I, I couldn't spoil it even if I wanted to because like I said, I don't remember. It's been years since I've seen it. And Andy is just getting too old as an actress for another season.

Like there were some of these last episodes. Some of these scenes were. She's the first 17 year old with wrinkles. You know, not to be like mean, but you know, it's like, hey, look at the crow's feet on that 17 year old. Yeah, it was. Some of those scenes, it's not that she looks, I mean, she does look, she looks older than all of them because she is. You know, very natural thing.

But the way they dress her up and they style her to make her look younger only makes her look older. Like the pigtails they gave her at the beginning of the season. She's trying too hard. I did not care for the eye shadow makeup. she had at prom. It was like lavendar. It was like a real light purple.

Not her color. Not her color. But season season four, we have a lot to, a lot to look forward to. Hopefully no more Henry. Hopefully that bus explodes.

And then we got, yeah, we'll see how sailing went with, uh, With Joey and Pacey. It'll be a little while until we tackle season four. Maybe a year or so until we come back to season four.

We got a lot of, you know, other movies that we can tackle that I think, you know, we don't, as much as we love the creek, as big of creek heads as we are, we don't want to become a Dawson's Creek podcast, you know. Yeah, we'll let this one breathe a little bit. But we definitely will come back to season four. We will finish the series, Heath, if it's the last thing we do. The Dawson's Creek series? Yeah.

I mean, we got to do it for the tens of listeners out there. Yeah, for our three diehards. Yeah. But so any final thoughts on season three here, Heath? any any any any musings any i mean it's dossons creek is the quintessential teenage drama that all should watch it's it's great yeah they just they do a great job with the issues they somehow land very sensitive topics they land the plane on very sensitive topics very consistently. I love to hate on Dawson for him being such a whiny, weirdo baby, love Pacey.

Josh Jackson is in his bag. I mean, just we're creek heads through and through. You know, we've got to it's, it's, we've almost, we've almost strayed too far from the duck's orbit. We got to get back in there a little bit. But my God, these, oh, speaking to which, three seasons have been phenomenal. Speaking to which, to steer us back into the duck's orbit for a second here before we wrap up season three. Yeah. As official Adina high school boosters, have you been paying attention to what's going on?

State champs, right? No. We lost. We got destroyed. We lost three to one to more head state in the semifinals a couple days ago. Um, but there was a fucking brawl at the end of the game. Was that it? Yeah.

I saw something on my TikTok. Yeah. The, uh, there were a couple hornets taking some cheap shots, uh, uh, at the end of the game there. Um, ended up in a bench clearing hockey brawl. Wow. But we, we did lose. We lost them, we lost them more head, uh, three to one. So it's morehead in Mancato, I think, in the, in the finals.

Um, but yeah rough rough couple days for the for the hornets there for the cake eaters that's that's too bad i feel like they may be won like football or something they won they they did win a different sport states i believe this year because i remember i remember seeing that but lost in the the hockey simi finals this year back to uh season three here dawson's creek um I really liked how you said, how you wrap that up.

It is quintessential. It's, it's, because I talk to people, you know, the podcast comes up outside of, you know, in my everyday life. I try not to be like, hey, I'm the dude who has a podcast, but it does pop up. And then I mentioned, yeah, we're doing Dawson's Creek. And a lot of people are like, ooh, you know, weird, weird, not doesn't hold up very well, right? not a great show. And I'm like, honestly, it holds up better than you think. It's you go into it nervous, right?

And you're like, ooh, we're going there this episode. Especially because we start off with him sleeping with a teacher. Yeah. It's a rough start. Statutory rape is a tough kickoff to kind of explain away. And that's, I think, because season one kicks off with Pacey banging the English teacher. Everyone's, everyone's initial reaction is like,

yeah. Hmm. But then do you get into other topics and it's like, oh, okay, they're kind of, you know, this is the year this came out as the same year celebrity death match was a top rated show. Yeah. So, you know, like it's, the America's tastes were different at that time. Like you said, they land the plane on a lot of stuff that honestly, they have no business landing the plane on.

You never would have thought it. You know, like the whole Jack thing, I thought they did a great job with, right? Like, like all of Jack's storylines. Yeah. Even going back to when he first came out that now with the first kiss on network television, yeah, they landed that point. And I do have to say the actor that plays Jack, just we got us, he can't have any more crying scenes.

He just can't do it. He's just, some people can do. he's not a crier he's not a cry he's no Doss he's no Doss exactly it's like Dosson gets all the grief

because that cry is hilarious but like Jack's cries are cringe when he when he gets home after after after finding out Ethan's back with his old boyfriend and he's talking to

big pop a pump as he said and he is in the kitchen and he starts he's like in the corner of the kitchen and he starts crying and he like slinks down to his knees. Yeah. That was real weird. Ooh, that was the one I was thinking of when I was.

I just, I was like, oh boy, this guy's got to, we got to quit giving like epic cry scenes to this guy. Yeah. He's not, he's not dealing at this point in time.

Yeah. Did you ever watch Final Destination? No. Oh, he crushes that movie. He plays like the, the jock bully, uh,

in that one. Crushes it. crushes it. He gets fucking spoiler alert. He gets smashed by a billboard at the end. Nice. Can't cheat death. He can't cheat death. No, no. He can only cheat

life. Anyways. Okay, let's wrap this up. He's Season 3. Dawson's Creek. Season 3. It was so good. Cakey rating. What's your cakey rating? I wasn't prepared for, oh, God. It's got to be.

Do you want some? want some context here yeah yeah see season two you gave a 4.8 to season one you gave a 4.84 I think 4.83 then for this one right in the middle right in the middle oh yeah okay yeah because they're it's because they're all right there like there's some ups there's some downs But like all in all, these seasons have been fantastic. So yes, I so I agree. So I gave season one of 4.1 and then season two of 4.25. I'm going to give season three a 4.3.

I'm going to give it a notch above because I think it's, it's, it was slightly better than season two. I, I wish there. I, I enjoyed this last stretch, but it, I don't know. kind of fizzled out just because there's so much like will you know will they won't day stuff in these last two episodes where i was like let's just fucking let's do something here so it fizzled out a little there but i overall i think it was a fantastic uh season slightly better than season two there's just so much stuff that went on um yeah it's like you said you don't you don't think the show's gonna go there and then it goes there and somehow it works um yeah it's it's it's it's this this show has no right to be this good it's it's i agree i was i didn't know what to expect going into it but this has been this

has been better than expected for sure yes i i didn't know what to expect going into when we first initially did season one of dawson's creek i thought that i thought we I thought we were going to stop there and that's all we were going to do. But yeah, it's just so good. You fell in love with it. I fell in love with this show. I got super into season one, too. Like, I was all the way in.

Yeah. I figured that's where we were going to stop. Just like a little teaser. But no, we're finishing. We're finishing this through. It's so good. We're only half. We have three more seasons, dude.

Do they go to college? Yeah. because season four is senior year. Okay, so five and six and there's two more after that. Yeah.

Damn. Yeah. I know. What a, what a fucking show, dude. What a journey. What a show.

What a life. But yeah, like I said, we're going to pause on, on DC for a while here. We're going to start doing some more. Get back to our roots. Ducks adjacent movies here.

Yeah. I showed up in boots Going back to our roots Gotta let it breathe But yeah well it was it was a good ride Brandon What a long strange trip it's been On this week honestly season three This was real long

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