The Cake Eaters - 134. Lords of Dogtown

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Skate or die! Heath and Brandon cover Lords of Dogtown. The boys discuss the vibe of 1970s California, the elite soundtrack of this movie as well as Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Heath Ledger's amazing performance, Brandon being a poser, and their favorite skateboarders.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

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with Amazon. It's not worth winning if you can. I got something to say late September and I really should be back at school. I know I keep you amused but I feel I'm being used. Oh, Maggie, I couldn't have tried anymore. The soundtrack for this movie is fantastic.

It's awesome. I as as a as a as a heath you know he's got to stick together so I was all in on heath ledger and I loved heath ledger's performance in this movie it I don't I don't know if he gets talked about so a lot of the stuff that I read about this movie was solid average movie but heath ledger's performance was amazing incredible I don't think he gets talked about with his other performances though as like one of the best best like obviously joker and uh probably broke back it's turned up there i don't know this is right up this is right up there

with joker though as far as performances this is especially if you um if you have any understanding of who the real skit is as a person he he fucking nails it oh really yeah i assumed so i feel like i remember with like i was uh you know to I always say sophomore, sophomore, because our announcer when I played basketball said it like that. He'd be like, and a five, 10 sophomore. I love that. This came out when I was a sophomore in high school. And so like, of course, you know, anything Heath Ledger did, I was all in on.

But like I, this skating part of it didn't really click. And I just, and you're going to laugh at me. Kelly felt the same way. I just always felt so bad for Stacy. And, you know, when one of your bros takes your girl, that's messed up. So I will say, I will say, yeah, Tony's, Tony's sister, fuck her. What a, what a crazy lady. Real Yoko Ono situation on our hands here.

The freaking Z-boys breaking them up. I was, I was more upset with the fact that she wanted to fuck in front of her brother. That's what threw me off. That was a weird scene. Kelly and I talked about that, too. I tell you, I watched this. with Kelly. She was fired up for us to watch this one together. Um, so we had family movie night last time. And it was, it was a great time. Like her, her, her, you know, um, dating a couple

members in the crew. I have no big, no whambles about that. It was the trying to fucking funny your brother that threw me off. That's what I, that's where I drew the line. But, um, so that was point number one. Point number two was this movie is written by Stacy Peralta. So, take how great Stacey Peralta comes off with a grain of salt because it's from his perspective Oh, okay Okay

Little, you know He's It's actually so this So we're doing He kind of paints himself a little bit As like the victim Yes, yeah Especially when it comes to the love story

Which and then you know In these kind of movies Those love stories the love story is always where they kind of embellish a bunch so yeah i don't know how true any of that is does he got to create the drama exactly um but so this is the cake cat catators podcast everybody we're doing lords of dog town who skater die brandon yeah exactly you got a what does he say live like it's uh see live like it's your last day something like that is one of uh um i think it's Tony's quotes.

But, so this movie is written by Stacey Peralta. It's from Stacey Peralta's perspective point of view. So I would imagine he probably comes off a little bit,

smelling a little bit more of roses in this movie than he probably did in real life. That being said, there is a documentary that came out, I think, real close to when this came out,

and it's done by Stacey Peralta as well. But it has everybody, all of the real life players are in the documentary and that documentary i would that would be my recommendation uh is to go watch that documentary because this movie this the movie what's the documentary again did you say i did not the documentary is um dogtown and z boys yeah dog town and z boys and then the the theatrical movie i watched the dogs down that that is a hands down one of my favorite documentaries i love that

documentary i highly recommend it and it it goes more in depth over the issues here the movie glosses over a lot obviously dude my favorite is when um jays making fun of uh stacy's like dude you look like a stock car oh yeah when he's got all that he's got all the sponsors and stuff on him i was j j j was my favorite in this movie i love and i loved amiel hirsch is the guy who plays j adams um and he he crushes it to you he's he's so good in this in this movie he has he has such great one-liners um he's he has that one and then there's another one where they're at the i think it's at the same event and stacy's like tony like walks by being you know the the the showman that he is now and stacey is like

oh do you guys even skate with him anymore and jay goes no dude guys fighting with the sun to be the center of the center of the universe that was a classic one dude he so like i don't know if you picked up on it was like oh jay went vat to o on us like do you hear him make fun of him it room he looked exactly like a guy I worked with when I was an oil and gas daniel and he was a he was spent a little time as a coyote he's from southern California um you know as as people do but he would get so frustrated sometimes because people just walk up to him and start speaking Spanish and it was the funniest thing you could ever because you know I lived in Houston Texas and it was just it was the funniest thing you

would ever watch happen because he didn't really like he spoke like broken spanish because he was a coyote for a little bit he said they would literally just rent a car and they would just drive like they were just a normal family coming across anyways but as to like i was just like oh my god dude i wonder what daniel's up do that was like reach out to oh i need to i there's no way that he still has to say number. It's no long time. Daniel, if you're listening, reach out. Yeah, oh, dude, I, I would love to. He was awesome. We had so, we would get lunch together all the time, you know? It was, it was, I got fat off of getting lunch in Starbucks every day. Because he was, yeah, anyways, but yeah, it was, they, they just did such a good job, too, I think, with just that whole vibe in, like, that area.

They, like, they nailed it. They they nailed the vibes of like late 70s Southern California. They they crushed it in the cast the cast the cast is unbelievable and so elephant in the room the reason we're doing the movie is our boy Eldon Henson Fulton Reed plays Billy Z which I'm fairly certain not an actual person but more of a conglomeration of the people that were working with skip at the at the surf shop they just you know instead of having the whole crew they were like let's just condense into the one character yeah dude there was so many

when sophia vera what's it sophia virgara yeah did you notice uh did you clock uh early on i forget exactly who he is but he comes to the store early on oh he comes to the store and he's handing out the skate flyers i think that's what it was the skate competition flyers is uh Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg? The comedian, Mitch Hedberg? Oh, I did not put that together. It's his final role on screen before he passed away.

I laughed so hard when Tony Hawk was the astronaut. Oh, that was hilarious. Young America Ferreira from Ugly Betty. That was, dude, so many random people. And then all of the real life, Stacey Perraal to Tony Alva, uh j adams and skip uh in bloom i think it's in gloom right i'm gonna sound like an idiot if i get that wrong but um all of them in real life they made can't they the the real people made cameos they if you pay attention to oh really to extras and people in the background they're all they're all in the

movie too oh i see that j adams party guest dude he has the neck tattoo that they put on him in the and now he has many more he has an eyebrow as well. Yeah, yeah, he, uh, um, spent a fair bit of time in, uh, in, uh, prison, I believe as well. Mm. Um, uh, but, um, I think he moved to, uh, he, yeah, he got, he got wrapped up, uh, in, uh, drug charges. And I think he has an assault charge as well. Anyway, um, a lot more tattoos now, a lot more, uh, tattoos. But yeah, the one on the neck was great. Um, but yeah, like you were saying, they captured. the vibe solid i just i i mentioned this to you before we started recording i you never touched a skateboard in your life i used to skate uh quite a bit i had wait wait wait hold on though before you get

too far could you do a kick flip no no no so i could do an ollie i never got through kick i wasn't a street skater i could ride a i could ride a pool or a bull like nobody's business so that was my that was my jam so i would are you are you a poser brandon oh 100 yeah 100 percent Okay, okay, okay. But there was a time when I was in high school, like sophomore, junior and senior year, and then into college a little bit too. I would say there's probably a four year span where I was skating at least four days a week. Usually, usually we would do, because I was working at the mini golf go car place at that time. and we would close down the the mini golf co-carts and then at like 11 o'clock at night after we closed down

because there's a skate park like five minutes away shoot down to the skate park mob in the skate park for like an hour or two before the cops came and kicked us out and then go home nice okay so you could do like you can you could drop into could you drop into a bowl and could you could you grind an edge or you just like scooting around i'm i'm just scooting around i could i i it took a it took a while and a lot of bruises but i was able to drop in um it took a while though it took a while it's kind of scary it's right it's terrified like it's it's it's steep yeah yeah yeah yeah it's um but i was uh i am not coordinated enough to be a skater there's zero percent chance i could almost do an ollie but you know that was the only thing i could do i couldn't i couldn't do any

flips or anything like that but i could ollie um yeah i could i could i could i could manual or wheelie as they call it in this i could do that that was i was great at that okay nice you could have done could you do like a 360 or a 180 manual thing oh yeah could you do like a spin probably i could do a 180 for sure 360 my was probably asking a little too much i sound like a real square talking about we i mean we both do like i said i skated uh quite a bit um but yeah a hundred percent of poser i yeah absolutely dude i mean i loved skater music and stuff you know skater die tony tony tony i'll be on it both i mean have you seen that meme where it's like you know, it's like nobody is saying anything and then it's like white guy.

Did you know this was on the Tony Hawk soundtrack? The Tony Hawk soundtrack is the greatest video game soundtrack ever in the history of all soundtracks. So I will throw so MVP college baseball 06 is up there. All I'm saying is Tony Hawk Broskater, the original soundtrack was one of the, like, Like, you didn't even play other music. You just, you just rocked the video game. And you just sang along to, and you knew every word to every song.

It was, it was incredible. It was, it was, but like we, I'll be honest with you, you know, I'm, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I was, you know, didn't razz the, the skaters a little bit. You know, not, not in a mean way, but, you know, we'd give them a skater die. Fucking weirdo, dude. Who was, I also, there was a point in time where I got, so I saw there was, the time in high school where I got really into it, um, skating around. And then when I was a little kid, I got a skateboard. I want to say when I was like six years old, like an uncle gave me a skateboard, uh,

as a Christmas present and I was fucking, it was a Star Wars deck. Um, it was, uh, right, it was right after the, the new, uh, or the episode one came out. So it was, what's his name, Anakin on a, uh, him and pod racing was the, was the art. Anyway. Do you remember that video game? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I got that and I was, I was mobbing on that thing for a good six months, nonstop. And then I, I fucked up, crashed and dislocated my shoulder.

And I called it quits for that until, until I picked it up again when I was in high school. I was like, you know what, I'm good. I'm solid. I don't need to I don't need that in my life but I also I always appreciated like like after I got Tony Hawk like I always appreciated skating after I got the video game but I was never just you know it just wasn't for me I was I was obsessed with the Tony Hawk video games I also was obsessed with skate the video games skate oh I don't remember I don't remember that one skate two were fucking that was obsessed that was obsessed with skate the video games skate oh I don't remember I don't remember that one and skate two were fucking that was obsessed. was my jam dude i was all in that there was like m tv like do you remember the mtv stuff that they would do with like having tony hawk and those guys like on the half pipes and then they would play music and there'd be people like being rad i remember like i was like oh this is awesome people just being rad dude that was that was back in the day where that was mtv man it was like

dude everyone's just being so fucking cool right now on tv it's unbelievable Remember when they would do wet t-shirt contests? Oh my God, dude, Carmen Electra and everything. It was a wild time. You had to have the stuff they were young. The stuff they would show on like MTV spring break. While the day. It was my fate.

Dude, as as like a seven, eight year old, I was like, my God, is this what college is like? I can't wait. I can't wait. It wasn't. News, it was not. It's not. It's not. I mean, it probably was if you, if you went to college on like Boca Raton, but I did not.

I did. Unfortunately, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, it was just, uh, you know, the cold for me. So anyways, um, but yeah, it was anyways, this. Did you, did you go through, did you go through an X games phase? I went through like two or three years where I was watching the X games, like nonstop. I just watched it casually. If it was if it was on just put leave it on I was gonna ask you do you do you have a favorite skateboarder besides Tony Hawk obviously oh man could you could you name another one bill burnquist

um Bob burnquist um yeah close enough carriem is there a kareem there probably is I I I was to say bob bob bob burnquist that's my boy I fucking love bob dude nice okay see had the glasses is he like he would do the half pipe and like I remember correctly he was like a half pipe specialist he didn't really do too much street skating yeah wasn't it him and tony hawk that crazy run together where they were just like doing the most unhinged tricks yeah five 40s and yeah shit shit like that yeah i i haven't played the game in forever so like i'm you know putting me on the spot with naming things is is not a nice thing to do. You could be the biggest

skateboarding fan in the world and there's no chance you would be able to name anybody. That's 100% true. And like to say, Kareem Campbell, is that how you were thinking of? Yes, yes, because his, I'm trying to think his special on, I think his special grind was down up

triangle. The fact I remember this is unhinged, but his I believe his special grind was either down, down, triangle, up, triangle, or down up triangle. And that was, And that was really easy for me to hit. I thought you were going to, like, name the trick and you were giving me the fucking the PlayStation buttons did it?

That was a PlayStation buttons. I know. I thought you were going to be like, oh, his special trick was and then like the name of it. I can't remember the name of the grind that it was, but one of them was like a flat side, back flat side grind or something like that, but it was. I love that you couldn't remember his full name, but you had the PlayStation buttons down. Dude, I believe the cheat code for Unlimited Special is hold R1 and L1 together and do down-up right X-Triangle Circle. I'm going to take your word for it.

So any fans out there that are still skating. Dude, I bought a hacked, like one of those little hacked like PlayStation things. Anyways, we need to talk about the movie. They have. They've re-they've remade. them all that stuff you don't have to buy hacked ones anymore no you uh and i just i just look this up kareem campbell is on the updated games he's still there still kicking hell yeah that's awesome that's awesome but anyways so this movie brandon that's gonna be that's gonna be a deep

because i mean everybody everybody loves bob burnquist but you pulling out kareem campbell that's gonna be a deep you know people are gonna be like all these guys no ball dude i'm telling you i I loved him and I wish I could remember who the other guy was because his he was like a lesser played with character on Tony Hawk and but his special was downtown triangle and that one I could just rip into some combo grinds you know and just really run up that score when I had to collect some tapes yeah interesting I uh I was a big Bob like I said big bumper was guy uh bucky classic he was he was a sick one yeah his specials were more grabs and kickflips and so i didn't play with him as much yeah i'm trying to remember chad muska was one of them he was solid um

i'm just trying to remember any any fucking skaters i can't uh remember ryan shekler that dude was a fucking nerd jamy thomas and i believe it was Andrew Reynolds were the two that I used a lot to. Did you ever, Jamie Thomas, I think, had a hoodie on. Did you ever, uh, did you ever watch the movie Grind? I don't know if I've brought this up with you before with, uh,

with Adam Brody. Yeah, dude, Jamie Thomas, one foot nose grind. His was up up triangle. Up up triangle. Okay. Yeah.

But grind is one of my, my favorite movies of all time. It's so fucking it's a I think it was like right around this time to Nice two thousand so grind was 2003 so that would have been two two years before lords of dog town but grind is a fantastic movie fantastic skate movie one of the stupidest things you will ever watch but i love it so much but anyway lords a dog town let's get back to this yeah you and you and your you and your fucking uh bullshit skater talk dude yeah i'm sorry and then tony hawk you know just to take some time to just talk through some Tony Hawk Pro skater though.

I could talk I could talk Bobby B all day dude. I love me so. Okay, hold on. So before we get into it, I have one last thing. I could not. I thought we were doing Alpha Dog for the entire time between when you told me what we are doing and then we went. Amil Hirsch is also in that movie.

So that's why I wanted to pause because we, then we, then we can get into the movie because he emil hirsch is an absolute breakthrough in this movie alongside heath ledger like i think he crushes the character i think like everything he does is fantastic in this movie he's a extremely underrated actor did you ever did you ever see the girl next door he's the main guy in that amazing and just fantastic probably my favorite movie of his is into the wild did you watch that about i never watched But it's a great movie. Great movie.

Yeah. He crushes that. He's so underrated. And I thought this was Alphodox. So when Kelly was like, hey, I'll watch this movie with you. I was like, whoa. Are you sure? Yeah, Alpha Dogg's not a.

They kill that kid. And then it makes him go impotent because he feels so bad. Spoilers, dude. Oh, so I mean, dude, come on. Well, I meant for Kelly. I told her I was it. She loves when I spoil stuff. She doesn't like to be surprised. So then she was like, no, I think it's a skateboard movie. And I was like, oh, what? And I had to Google it. And I was like, son of a gun, you're right. It is this like skateboard movie. And then I started watching. I was like, I've seen this like 20 times at least. Like it's just it was it. Because I like I said, I was a big. If you had Heath Ledger in your movie, I was going to watch. it like um what's the night one what's it the the night i a night's tale that's a great movie great movie very underrated very under ran but no this movie did such a great job like every actor is it

so i remember watching it when it when it came out right right in 2005 and loving it loving it being all about it watched i i don't think i've seen it since and so coming back this time it wasn't quite as good as I remembered mainly because I don't think it I think it glosses over a little too much and it moves a little too quick now granted it's got to cover a bunch of a bunch of stuff so you're gonna you're gonna lose stuff details in there but as someone would know like remembrance of the background we were all in we were just sucked in so that was my point I know who these people are I know how important they are. I feel like the movie didn't do doesn't do a very good job for people who are

just watching the movie. I think it doesn't it doesn't do a very good job for people who aren't aware of skateboarding culture of how important these people were and how important they still are. Yeah, because like it was really subtle of like when they did the first when they went grab, right? Is that what it's called when they do the first hand grab on the bowl and he was like I he did I don't even know what to call that I don't know how to call that never seen that before yeah yeah I wish there would have been more like emphasis and like what do we like they I don't think they emphasize like how crazy what they were doing was you know what I mean like how great like they people didn't even know what to call these things they were making up names for them you know like there was you know like there was a things that half the stuff they did we had never been done before

and that was the things that was like cool that they missed you know yeah I agree with you they didn't put enough of emphasis on the fact that these people were the first people to do everything yeah and it's because of their surfing background right like that was a big part of it

is because like we there was a drought so they couldn't surf so they decided to start skating pools yeah I love that montage where they're just fucking and scale for pools. I love the best one was when the housewife is there just like him and then the husband comes home chasing him with the golf club.

And then Jay hits him with the lemon. That was fantastic. That was great. Yeah, that whole montage was fantastic. But yeah, they mentioned it a couple times. The judges or the competitions mention it like briefly a few times where they're like, hope there's that weird surf move they're doing yeah that surf style yes yeah so that the their surfing background was heavily heavily influenced for all the the the vertical and the

the new new shit they were doing on the on the on the skateboards yeah um yeah but yeah that's just my one critique is because and especially with like it goes from them winning like the second competition and then there's a small little photo shoot they do in the middle of that pool montage yeah with the with the magazine skate magazine right yeah i forget i forget what magazine it was but yeah and then it just like moves it i feel like it didn't really capture how popular they got like it was just like oh now we're because you don't really see you don't really see the outside world at that point you're still just dealing with skip and his and his little crew you don't get the magnitude of what's going on.

That's my one. That's true. They make it feel very local. Yes. Yeah. Like very local to California. At that point, it's,

it's nationwide. It's everywhere. It's like a craze, right? Like, because this took place in the 70s? Late 70s. I think the very first couple scenes we get are like 75.

And then I think by the time where towards the end of the movie, it's either 80 or 79. I forget the exact dates, but late 70s. And we didn't even talk about Sid yet. Freaking Sky High, Will Stronghold from Sky High. Kelly said that and I was like,

oh my God, yes. Thank you for saying that. I freaking love Sky High, Brandon. You know I do. It's a classic Disney movie. And to have Will Frickin' Stronghold in Lords of Dogtown, classic. Classic, dude. Everything about that is fantastic.

Dude, I, I, his storyline was pretty tragic in the end, but it was just, I don't know. It's interesting as someone who, like, has no identity with the background or anything. like I just thought it was a good movie, you know? Like that was, like I like Sid's background. Sid's another one of those characters where he's, his in real life, it's like multiple people that they combine together. They do famously there is a,

they do have a famous, famously, they do, they did in fact have a friend who died of brain cancer that let them drain their pool. They called it the dog bowl. Dog bowl sessions. But he wasn't necessarily hanging out with them through everything like Sid does.

But yeah, still very, very tragic. He finally led a Mexican into this pool. That was a crazy running joke with him about it and Tony about his dad. That was, dude. And then I, the guy that had the sunglasses on, that um did like the um like the camera work and stuff he oh no that's a Pablo Schreiber yeah he's from uh oranges's new black exactly did you ever he's he's from he's in den of thieves did you ever watch den of thieves i don't think i have i think it's on netflix den of thieves

is a fantastic movie it's one of i would say it's like a top five heist film it's so fucking good and it's got it's got my boy Jerry Butler in it I mean I've heard nothing but good thing it's I highly recommend it especially if you if you like

heist movies highly highly recommend such a great movie and he's great in it but yeah that's that's Pablo Schreber who's the camera dude taking all the photos and videos of them yeah like you mentioned we had sky high guy um so Mitch

headberg i just looked at mitch headberg was the guy who sold him the wheels um oh yeah okay yeah and then uh yeah is the mom and stuff rebecca de morne where do i got the j's mom dude j's mom was a real piece of work in this movie huh that poor guy oh risky business oh yeah i as to say risky business yeah um so she that gave me s somebody who's who has who's who has who has had multiple friends that have like a deadbeat alcoholic parent yeah or druggie parent or just a deadbeat parent like like his mom is that those scenes gave me such like anxiety flashbacks to having to deal with that it was so uncomfortable so they but again nailed it nailed that vibe to the to a fucking tea

Yeah, like her taking them out to lunch and then making them pay for it. Yeah. Him having it. Dude, so I couldn't figure out where I remembered her from. Aunt Nina from the Hillary Duff classic, Raise Your Voice. I knew I recognized her from somewhere. Yeah. Dude, I have not seen that movie.

It is a classic. She's also in wedding crashes. Yeah, yeah. I don't remember her wedding crushes. Law and order SVU. She's been in everything. Yeah, she really has been it. Like, if you go through it, she's been in all kinds of steps since the 80s.

Rebecca de Morne. I think that's what you said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking classic. Great cast. Yeah.

But that dead dead. His mom scenes were rough. And when she brought the slinky guy in, I, they made him sling the sinky song. That was hilarious. So I loved that. I did. Slinky. It's fun for a girl and a boy. That's what I should have sang as he came in.

Oh, dude. Maybe for the outro. Save it for the outro. Yeah, okay. But I, that and then I loved when, early on, when he, him and the crew come back to his house and the boyfriend's like cleaning out of stuff and leaving. Yeah. And he goes up to him and the dude's like, she's fucking crazy, bro.

I got to leave. And he and Emil Hirsch goes, but that's why you love her, right? Because I guarantee you multiple times before that the dude was like, your mom's crazy, but I love her or your mom. I love how crazy your mom is. That hit, that hit real too. It was like, that the whole, all of the mom seems were just too much for me. I had to like, I was getting anxiety like crazy.

Do you just just wore flashbacks. have you have you experienced that before having to having to like console not not necessarily console but having to like hand like hand hold hands and walk an older person through like life situations and scenarios when they're just fucking either black out or strung out is the worst I don't think it was ever that bad or by that time. Consider yourself lucky, dude. Or, well, so this is the difference, too. You didn't have a mama D.

No, I didn't. And so these weren't even, these weren't even my parents. These were like friends' parents, girlfriend's parents. And I'm like, walk it, you know. Well, and so this is the thing is that Mama D can smell that from a mile away. And so she would start hedging where like no fly zones. at a young age. See, I

my skies were clear, dude, I could fly wherever I wanted. Yeah, you were you were free to fly the open skies. I had many no-fly zones, you know, so you, you're just, your dad was like, yeah, Brandon, head on over to the Middle East. No big deal. Like, enjoy that conflict, brother.

I never, I, I, never, I'd never, I'd never cross my mind to ask him, you know, I just, I just, I just, I just bail, you know. Some top, top gun maverick shit, you know. I'm not going to ask for permission. you crazy well it's also a small town america and everyone knows everyone and so it'd be like like you know they'd be like hey i saw heath over at the so-and-so house you know i know it's pretty rough over there it's pretty rough over there i love it so anyways um yeah so no i didn't have to deal with that type

of but i would have done incredibly poor in those scenarios as a small child for sure like it's or even as a high schooler. I was not built for that. Mine were all like high school. I wasn't doing it as like a child, child. Like I would, I was just, I was too,

I don't know how to, like I was too like weird and wild and like, like I was just like, even if their house would have been like that, I may have been too naive and too just living in my own positive vibe bubble to even like pick up on it and just been like, Hey, you know, that was fun with your mom, you know, acting a little wild there, you know, crazy shit, dude. But I don't mind picking up the pizza. It's fine. You know, feel bad that she's, you know, having a, you know, that would have been me as a kid.

Just like, hey, mama's fun. Yeah. Well, that's how it is the first. That's how it is the first couple times. But then, you, then it's like, you hang around on like a regular basis. And you're like, oh, this was, this is, this is an everyday thing. Okay. This isn't. This isn't fun. Yeah. I'm good with, you know, the occasional Friday night every once in a while, but every day.

Come on, guys. Dude, and then Heath Ledger, when he plays Skip, like, trying to get the skateboard shop going, I thought that was just like, like, Heath Ledger just did such a good job of, like, depicting the vibe and, like, the communication and, like, the way, the way he speaks and his mannerisms were so good. Like it was like his like California accent was so subtle and incredible. I thought. He yeah, he crushed the um the mannerisms from everything I read. Um, he like the mannerisms and the cadence and even the voice like he nails everything about Skip like to a T nails it. People even like best friends of Skip are like this is this is amazing. This is the greatest performance I've ever seen.

So yeah, he crushes it. And like you said, they do a great job of like kind of the communication between him and his crew. I love the scene where he's like, they get the delivery and he's like trying to dodge pain. And then he's like, well, okay, find the fucking checkbook. And then he's like, okay, guys, we need more skateboard so I can get the money to cover the check that I just wrote. Yeah. And then when it's at the party, everybody starts thinking about bailing on skip and uh fulton eldon henson starts yelling at him and he's like

you need to cut the kids in on the profit and skips like it's a fucking surf shop there are no profits what do you want me to do yeah that's i i because when when when uh fulton said that i was like yeah like that's easy and then and then when he fired back with that i was like oh yeah i forgot i forgot This is a surf shop run by a surfer who hires people that just work when they want to work. You know, they're open. I did love that when Fulton and the rest of the crew are leaving to go skate. And Pablo Schrever is like, the ocean is your mistress, skip. Don't neglect it.

And then Fulton's like, you know, we work when we want to work. We don't work when we want to work. We surf when we want to surf, dude. Like that was the deal. bro it was so good and it was I always like the

biopics like this that do the little synopsis of each character as they go out too the freeze frame and then the yeah that's I love the freeze frame with the quick like

after description it's one of my favorite thing I think I know some people are probably like oh it's so blah blah dude it's my favorite if you do a biopic and you don't have a freeze frame where are they now don't even put it on my TV I don't want any part of it Brandon yeah I agree it's it's a great it's a trope but it's a great trope I loved it's my favorite the other the other Skip crew member I want to talk about is the the mean dude the dude that was like fucking with Skip's ear and then that that punched um j i love how at that part at the party they're like talking about how great these guys are they they're on the magazine cover stacy's gonna be in charlie's angels all this stuff and then the dude in the back's like they couldn't fucking surf though dude yeah yeah they couldn't fucking surf without my permission like what a what a plus what an a plus hater just to be in the background like these these dudes can't even fucking surf dude they can't do it in the water

yeah dude it was a plus a plus it was a plus hater and it was a plus bully behavior because that's like dude it's like well then he starts screaming at sophia you know yeah and then he takes it out on her and then he tries to fight jay

and then jay hits it with his skateboard my god i love that though just true true hater to the core to do that dude oh and uh john knoxville being in there too we almost forgot about johnny knoxville is topper burkes that was classic topper so i was reading because he's a like a you know not not a topper's not an actual person but he's based he's based on um this dude who was like the air to a uh like a sugar fortune

um and was like hanging around uh doing all that shit uh with tony elva and then um he like died of unknown reasons in hawaii uh a couple years after this after the movie takes place or whatever oh jesus so cocaine yeah yeah yeah drugs for sure but i i love to i just loved the air to a sugar fortune that's that's that's that's that's fucking why that's that's that's all money shit why is that not me why is that not me i know we're just that's why big it my biggest regret in life is that my dad wasn't fucking loaded dude wasn't I know filthy rich just meant to be poor and toil through this life like peasants I'm the I'm the air to a to a drapery fortune and you know what there's there's no fortune in draperies

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The real money's in draperies brand And you should know that by now When I was like growing up Like he was like a workaholic fiend Granted he was on cocaine and meth At this time as well But a workaholic fiend So he was working like you know 20 hour

days and at that time he was he was making dough making you know because he had a he had a whole warehouse and um you know crew pumping out shit so the volume was way high but now now it's just him and my my aunt that are that are doing it so a lot less volume a lot less profits but good for him whatever i'm not i'm not bitter yeah you know that's very that's a that's a skip-ass story Dude, moral of the story is keep doing cocaine and meth kids. It's worth it in the long run. Yeah. Get that sugar, sugar fortune.

Anyways, but yeah, I love this movie. I loved everything about it. I loved the skating. I thought it was fantastic. I thought Emil Hirsch and Heath Ledger really stole the show when it came to the acting. Yeah, yeah. for the movie feel bad for for stacey that his girl got stolen and he got a new girl though caroline caroline yeah she she seemed great um yeah i thought it all works out it all works out

it does and you know the the the brother sister hookup scene was weird well just you know we just we just ignore that pretend like it didn't happen i have a i have a couple one-liners that i thought were some other ones uh what i loved after the first uh skate competition when they go to the diner or the restaurant or whatever and they officially let Stacy on the team. And they just start the little food fight or whatever where they're throwing stuff at each other and the manager comes up and he goes,

hey, knock it off. This is a family restaurant. And then Sid throws another thing at him. And then the restaurant manager grabs Sid and starts beating him up. And Pablo Shriver like grabs the manager. And he goes, hey, don't do that. This is a family restaurant. That was amazing.

I thought that was top. Got him right back with it. It's a family restaurant. Yeah, I agree. And then the other one was Sid's one liner. So it's when Sid and America Ferreira are like making out or whatever. And in the middle of them making out on the couch, he's like, tell me I'm a good skater. Tell me, please tell me I'm a good skater.

Tell me how good of a skater I am. That was also, yes. very I love that she she 100% on board with it she was like you're the best skater on the team and she was all in he was having a cover of a magazine brandon come on was sit on the cover I thought it was just the three of them they were all they they did profiles on a lot on all of them I thought inside the magazine yeah America America Ferrer was all

up on Sid she was she had Sid fever oh did you see the trivia that the real Skip Engblom wanted he Ledger to play him yeah i saw that so i got another fun a couple fun facts for you the original director they were going uh going to have you got to guess are you looking at the trivia page right now you probably saw it's fred durst oh really oh my god it's fred durst was supposed to direct it um but instead katherine hardwick uh ended up being the director uh she does that name sound familiar to you at all Wait, what was the name again? Catherine Hardwick.

She also directed Twilight. Oh, dude, some of this trivia is fantastic. They did some of their own tricks. Like Emil Hirsch says the hardest trick was bombing down Bicknell Hill in Venice. So this movie is regarded as one of the best like skating, skating movies as far as like portraying actual skating. and yeah they they didn't do all of their own all of the tricks but they did a good each actor I would say a good majority of them the real hard ones they had standins for but they did a good a good chunk of their own for sure did the fact that heath ledger wore some of skips old clothes

is next level for this movie to help him get that's wild method acting dude I mean yeah I guess that's And the fact that Emil Hirsch flew out to Hawaii to spend time with Jay is pretty cool. That makes perfect sense on why he did such a good job with the character. Method acting, dude. Makes Timothy Shalmy look like a bitch. Yeah, dude. I don't even know who that is. Oh, goodness.

But yeah, like I said, it wasn't quite as good as I remembered, but it's still a solid movie. my one critique like I said I think they they didn't they could have done a better job for people who weren't already aware of these people kind of clueling them in on how impactful they are yeah as just human beings because I mean they mentioned it in the the freeze frame and the little take the little takeaway for stacy Peralta he's the one who who I don't want to say discovered because that's a terrible way to phrase it but discovered Tony Hawk like brought him brought him along, signed him. And that's pretty cool. Yeah. So, like, yeah, they'd mentioned that at the end. I was like, oh, my God, wait, 14-year-old Tony Hawk was signed by one of these guys. Like, yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's my one critique that I think they could have done a little bit better job of explaining to people who didn't already know how impactful these kids are, these people were and are. And like I mentioned at the very beginning. watch the documentary because the documentary does it goes in way more in depth

than the movie the movie glosses over a bunch of stuff as movies tend to do so the documentary oh it's called dog town and zee boys yeah exactly but um you got anything else you want to mention he's i think we that covers pretty much

the bulk of it you got a you got a keker you got a cake you got a cake cake cake This is hard. I thought about it a lot too, you know, because I really liked it, but I don't want to overrate it. You know what I mean? But I think, you don't want to. You don't want to be like the judges in this movie all over the place. Handing out tens like crazy, dude.

Insane. They definitely, definitely did not go to the Dave Pointeux of scoring. That's for sure. No, not. Not at all. Those were rookie scores, as he was. would say i probably do a 4.16 you're 4.16 yeah for getting real niche with my numbers there brandon yeah that's uh that's that's that's high i liked it it was good i did not i did not go nearly that high

really no did i mean i almost went 3.92 but I don't know I I bumped it up for for just you know being a good movie yeah 3.3.3.9 to you and your your 13 decimal points I went I went 2.9 2 9 2 9 2 no because I was aater I got to go based on on previous scores right I can't like I was thinking to myself I just gave Starship Troopers a 3-1. And I think Troopers is better. So I went slightly below that.

So I went 2-9. I would give the documentary like a 4-3, though. Watch the documentary. Go watch the documentary. Yeah, I don't know. I liked it. It was fun. It's a fun movie.

It's a fun little romp. And like you said, it's Heath Ledger and Emil Hirsch Masterclass in acting especially in these kind of biopics where you're going off of real life people Yeah So yeah I would definitely recommend it just to watch those performances

But yeah 2-9 is what I went with It's above average And but those two performances Like I said it just wasn't as good as I remembered it being when I first watched it as an impressionable youth, you know? Obviously, you're not a real skater. You're just a hater.

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