The Cake Eaters - 137. Young Guns II

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Mount Up! Heath and Brandon keep it rolling with Young Guns II. The boys discuss Bon Jovi, arena football, character building, nicknames, and mob mentality.Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspodEmail us at [e-mail]

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. It's not worth winning if you can't. yeah what's your beef with bon jovi what's my beef with bon joe don't you get me fucking started dude don't you give me fucking started what you probably you probably a philadelphia soul fan too huh isn't he from new jersey yeah but he owns the philadelphia soul the arena football team i don't care about them he owned he owns owned the Philadelphia Soul at the same time that Elway owned the Colorado crush.

I bet the crush got crushed. Do you remember actually one, they won at least one championship? Do you, were you, do you, do you remember arena football? Oh, it's fuck you, dude. What's the football team in Phoenix? They, I almost worked for them, but I went to the intimidators instead. I think that's the rattlers, right? Yeah, yeah.

My intimidators in STEM. Oh, wow. was probably the worst mistake of your life no it wasn't the intimidators at least paid us it was only 600 bucks but it was more than zero the rattlers were paying zero yeah i mean that makes sense arena football was not a moneymaker yeah yeah the ratlers are still alive though i don't know what league they're in because there's no like arena football league anymore it's all it's like there's like three or four shitty little leagues but there i believe the rattle are still around nice shout out roundlers you could have been probably GM by now if you

would have taken that job I don't know I was fresh off degeneracy at pretty high levels so I needed I needed a buffer in between that you ready to see yeah I guess Brandon got a lot of a kind bar still going on here there's a worst lunch really I'm a big kind bar guy so eating plastic all right

ready I wake up in the morning and I raise my weary head I got an old coat for a pillow and the earth was last night's bed I don't know where I'm going only God knows where I've been

I'm a devil on the run A six gun lover A candle in the wind Yeah First of all Any song that works candle in the wind Into their lyrics A plus

I'm notch Yeah Especially 5,000 candles in the wind In the chorus He goes like I'm going down In a blaze of glory Take me now

but know the truth great song fucking bon jovie oh dude lord i never drew first but i drew first blood and i'm no one son call me young i mean it's probably pretty obvious now with that lyric but he wrote that song specifically for this movie i didn't know as a as a bon jovi fan i went and saw bon jovie and Gugu dolls. I've said this on the pod at the Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota

when I was 17 years old. Bon Jovi and Gugu dolls? Yeah, Gougu dolls open for Bon Jovi. The amount of terrible bleach blonde hair and plastic surgery in that lineup is mind-boggling. Wow. Just never heard so much hate spew from someone's mouth before, but it was, uh, I actually, I still have the T-shirt

that I bought from the concert at my parents' house, and I wore it the other day, and Kelly was like, Bon Jovi, did you, where'd you get that? And I was like, I went is where I got this. But I love this song. Like I used to listen to my Bon Jovi. I forget which CD it was. Might have been Crossrood CD or something,

where it was like, I don't remember. But I used to, this was on the rotation of the Bon Jovi songs. I'd rip before school, you know. My dad, my dad was a big Bon Jovi guy. How can you not be? Yeah, he, but they wrote this song specifically for the movie because they were making the movie. Because Bon Jovi is is in this movie. He's, uh, he's an inmate, I believe. Really small role, just a small little cameo. But Emilio was like, hey, we want,

uh, we want to use wanted dead or alive for young guns too. And Bon Jovi was like, you know what? I'll do you one better. I'll write you a brand new one. And it's a banger. Yeah. Lazy glory is a banger. It's, I mean, it's not quite as good as one dead or alive, but it's pretty solid.

Pretty solid. Absolutely. It's definitely not. I was all fired up and I was ready for it's all the same. Only the names are changed. Every day, it seems we're wasting away. Dude, that's a, that's a banger. I was ready for it, Brandon.

They do kind of start off the same, don't they? Similar, similar, because Blaze of Glory is, I wake up in the morning and I raise my weary head. They both start off real slow with like that little, you know. And then they kind of. And I'm wanting, wound it. And this one's, I'm going down. Yeah. It a blames of glory.

Take me now, but know the true. This is the K. Curious podcast. I'm Brandon. That's Heath. We are talking. Joevy, just calling me. Nebraska. Nebraska Dick.

That's what your name is. Brandon God we need to first of all Arkansas Dave stole the show this Arkansas Dave Christian Slater Chris so good so good in this movie the fact that he the fact that he started off every conversation with I'm Arkansas Dave was amazing Arkansas Dave Rudebaugh yeah that's great great fantastic last same I'm gonna use that when I build my next build my next build my character rudaba what are you building characters for harry potter fifa college football oh got you know you have you ever built a character in video games before brandon do you not

lean into the character building i usually go build wrestlers uh i haven't i haven't built a wrestler in a while i haven't had a w w video game in years so i'm i like to build myself and then i like to Sometimes I build variations of Heath. It's fun. For those kind of games for like college football when I'm like building the coach or the quarterback or whatever. I use my alter ego, Chuck Barry. That's fantastic. I like to do running back on the college football game.

I just, the quarterback's good, but I just, I don't know why. I just like to. It's harder. It's a little bit harder because you don't have quite as much. control. But man, you know, can I give you one of my biggest nerd takes of all time?

Yeah, love it. Here. Let's hear it. I would love for like college football road. What is it? Rose a Road to Glory, whatever it's called.

That and then Madden career mode. My one wish is for them to let you be a kicker. I would. That, that's all. I just want to be a kicker. I think that would be so, fucking legit.

That's my one wish. The demographic for... I would be the only one who would do it, but they need to put it in. Or like a left tackle. Like, let me be the O line. Have you ever done a defensive player?

I don't know if I could do it. It seems hard. I do linebacker every once in a while. But yeah, it is a lot tougher. Mainly because I don't know, I don't know shit about schemes. So, like, I don't know.

I don't know where I'm supposed to go. Yeah. Like, maybe if I, played in college and i was like you know it's like oh you gotta hit the a gap so i just i just blitzed 24 7 when i'm the linebacker oh you want me you want me you want me to drop in zone fuck you i'm blitzing dude you got to get a few i nts though you know a little zone blitz you know drop back oh i could uh i usually get those on screens i can i can i can that's the one thing i can

read is the screen when we you're doing a screen i fucking got it dude soon as those tackles start pulling does guards start pulling it's on yeah it's on anyways all right damn it all right we're talking young guns a couple cowboys wanted dead or alive going down in a blaze of glory did you see did you see the the tagline for the movie no the west just got wilder that's fantastic 1990 Young Guns to you better than I thought so much better I was worried I was so worried as far as

like 80s and 90s sequels go this is up there with some of the best so late 80s early 90s sequel to a really successful like kind of niche action movie

you are bad putting 50, like it's a 50-50 up in the air. You don't know what you're going to get with this thing, right? And so I have the lowest. 50-50s generacy. This is like baseball averages. Okay, it was like 200. Like, 200.

Like, this is triple A ball. Yeah, okay. Because I had very low expectations. And so it blew my expectations out of the water. The only beef that I had with the whole movie, and I felt very brand in with this, but it was just bugging me because I love

Emilio but the Emilio old guy narrator voice so not a fan so it says well Brandon they tell you

Billy the kid is a real tough son of a gun so I have a couple things about old man Emilio one his voice is like that because I believe if I did my math correctly

it's like 1950 when that when like the future scenes take place when he's talking to the reporter guy who's played by Bradley Whitford that's the other thing this sequel they somehow got more famous people in this in the sequel but it's wild but so the old man Emilio the he if I did my math correctly

Billy the kid at the time of that 1950s or so article whatever would be like 90 years old so he's like oh fucking old as shit um so the voice give him a little hayway a little leeway I should say um but so they they did it I don't know I don't know how much leeway I can get Brandon I mean the make the makeup was rough too but so I will say the producers and the director and everybody they were dead set on hiring an old, a different old actor to play older Billy the kid, right? Yeah. And Emilio was like, no, no, no, no, no.

Like, I got this. He was like, I can fucking do this. And they were like, I don't know, Emilio. Let's just hire somebody. And he was like, no, I'm fucking doing this. So do you know what he did? He went out on his own time and his own dime and got that, got the makeup, like found a makeup artist, made him look all old as shit.

And then he snuck into some sort of gathering. I forget what it was. But he snuck into some sort of gathering with crew members, all dressed up as an old man and tricked them into thinking he was legitimately an old man that was not Emilio Estevez. And so he did that. And then the director and the producers were like, fine. You can play the old man. That's fantastic, actually.

But I hated the voice. So it just it bugged. The voice could have been better. The voice could have been better. It was, it was like if someone was like any person off the street, you were just doing street interviews, you're like, hey, do an old guy voice. Everyone is going to go, hey, this is Billy the kid and I'm an old man from the West. It was wild.

I couldn't believe that that got like through. I did love when he's talking to Bradley Winfrey's character, the reporter. Or lawyer. He was a lawyer. My apology. He's talking to the lawyer guy. Because he's trying to, the movie starts with old man, Billy the kid, trying to prove to everybody that he's Billy the kid. Yeah. Because they think he got killed, you know, 70 years ago. But I did love the line where he's like the lawyer, Bradley Woodford's not believing him. He's like, you're not Billy the kid.

And I mean, Billy the kid goes, because I've killed 21 people. I'll make it 22. Don't fucking test me, bro. I do love that too. It's like, Omega 22. Old man, Amelia was wild.

It was that. So like when, if someone asks me and they're like, Heath, what do you remember from young guns to you? I won't be able to remember anything from this movie

except old man, Emilio. It's the only thing that is going to stick in my head forever. And the Aragorn is a cowboy. Erigorn Vigo Mortensen Yeah

Is heirgin V are you Are you Is that the Eragorn is Is that the Lord of the Rings Vigo Mortensen Lord of the Rings

Is that the where the little Little Wizard Boy saves the galaxy Is that that movie? Oh my God You are such a loser Let's get into the cast As soon as I saw Vigo I was I was like dude

I got to do you a I got a piss I got a piss he thought with the with the Lord of the Rings joke. I and can I say crushed I crushed it. Yes, it worked Brandon. Thank you for God. You're just, oh, you're the worst. But no, Vigo and your boy from your favorite movie of all time. Cameron from Ferris Bueller, Alan Ruck.

Oh my God. It took me so long to figure out where he was from. That's Cameron, man. It took me so long to figure out where he was from. But you know what? It didn't take me very long to figure out where this actor is from Brandon, back-to-back episodes, Sister Act 2 references James Coburn, aka Mr. Crisp from Sister Act 2. Oh, he plays Chisholm.

Interesting. Yeah. I'm more of an Allen Ruck guy myself. I've been, did you ever watch Succession? No. I've been rewatching Succession and just crushing through it. Such a good show. You never watched it?

It's so good. Robert Kennepper. He's in stuff too. Is it a Silent K? Prison Breakout Kings. I always liked that show. Breakout Kings. All of those are terrible shows compared to Succession.

You need to watch Succession. I've been binging it like crazy I texted my sister the other day I was like I think it's uh do you know what succession is about it's about uh father succeeding his business to kids and then the kids fight

essentially essentially but it's like a super billionaire wealthy rich kid fight like it's like based on is it the Murdox that own Fox so it's like it's like loosely based on that family I don't know if I got that last name right. But I've been binging that like crazy and I texted my sister the other day. And I was like, you know what? I think it's time.

Got to overthrow the overthrow my dad, get him out of the family business, take over the, take over the drapery empire. She was. It's good stuff. I was like, I think it's time. And she responded because she does like part time work for him. Yeah. And she was like, I have all his password. We could do it, real easy.

Easy peasy, dude. Easy pease. Oh, God. Yeah. So, but this, this cast is awesome. Christian Slater, Arkansas, Dave. I, Chris. I fucking love Christian Slater.

Maybe not as a person. I take that back. I feel like he's probably, I think we were talking last episode about all these people that were running over kids and cars. I don't think Christian Slater ever ran anybody open. anybody over, but I do not think he's necessarily a good guy. No.

Um, but as an actor, as an actor, thinking, you know, separating the art from the artist, Heath, in a purely artistic sense Christians, I love Christians later. Yeah. Yeah. Heather's dude. Heather's is in all time classic. Did you watch others? I don't think I've ever seen.

It's on the list to watch it one day. Dude. Heather's is it's like or it's Slater Winona Winona writer I don't know I call her I call her Winona Um

Such a sticky fingers Heather's though I don't I doubt there's a mighty Ducks connection but I might look into that Uh just in case Does that would be a great one to do the for the pod

Um did you ever watch the Doctor Death Peacock series with Joshua Jackson No Christian Slater's in that too We might have to do that for the pod That would be a good one for the pod It's a TV series but we could just do it all in one episode That was a lot of effort

For one episode Brandon Maybe we'll break it into two I don't know but Joshua Jackson crushes that role though Really? It's a very good series I highly recommend watching that to you but Christian Slater, Arkansas, Dave, we need names like that back, dude. Arkansas Dave, or he calls, Emilio calls the kid Mr. Pennsylvania.

That's great. We need more location-based nicknames, you know? Yeah. Like Jersey Jerry from Barstool? Great nickname. That's a good nickname. Yeah. I could be Colorado Chuck.

Charles is my middle name. I don't know if you know that. That's where I'm getting Chuck from. I don't know anything about you. That's where the Chuck and Chuck Barry comes from, Heath. Come on. What's your middle name? It's probably something stupid.

It's probably what, what is it, Ann, Marie. Yes, Marie. It's Michael. Michael. Gross. You know who else is in this? You know who else is in this? You know who else is in this movie, though?

Yeah, that plays Pat Garrett is William Pedersen. CSI. CSI, dude. You CSI. I used to, when I was growing up, I was real into CSI. Really? I thought about going into it as a profession. I was like, I could fucking do that.

But then I realized, I looked into it and I was like, oh. You got to be a real narc. Well, it's a big, it's narque, but it's also not as cool as the TV show makes it seem. Like, you really only do the science stuff. You don't actually get to, like, do any detective work. And I was like, that sounds, that sounds lame. Yeah, just got to be a real dweeb. Yeah.

Yeah, fucking. But CSI was a great show. Great show, dude. Yeah. So, we said, I've never really watched CSI. never got into it wasn't no you you you you shouted it when i brought up his name as if you had seen it no but i just i'm said dude the amount of him in the corner of the screen watching football games for the c s i like how can you like i yes i recognize him from c s i have seen his csi commercials

for the past how how many seasons is there 25 like i've seen on CSI commercials during football games for 25 years. The original CSI is long gone. I think they stopped making that in like 2010. 2015. So,

so maybe you need a jogging memory a little bit. He's, you know. Brandon, I, you understand my meaning of. Whatever you say, Chavita. So, We start off early, early with old man, Billy a kid who is trying to convince the lawyer that he is Billy Kid.

Best old man voice ever. And the lawyer's like, do you have any scars? Prove this to me. How can you prove it to me? So Billy of the kid goes, okay, let me tell you some fucking stories. I've got some stories for you. And so he starts, and then that kicks into the, the, the, the flashback, I guess, which is pretty much the whole movie.

Yeah. We get him and then docking Chavez ended up meeting up a little bit. But originally Billy the kid's got a couple new crew members, Heath, your boy, Arkansas, Dave. Yeah. And Pat, Pat Garrett. And he does the old play dead. He does the old play dead trick where he's like, oh, no, I'm dead over here. And then bam, it's still to the face.

Back stabbed. Oh, you're talking about Garrett backstaps. Yeah, yeah. I was talking about the first kill when he's like playing dead. When he's like, oh, yeah. Are you listening? Kind of. Did you watch this movie or is this another?

No, I totally watched this movie. I was sorry, I got distracted looking at what movies Robert Kineper. Is that how he says his name? It's probably, it's probably Nepper. Probably Nepper. He was in Heroes, but I was looking at one. movies he was in and I got I just drifted off

into a daydream he's he plays deputy Carlisle who gets who gets done real fucking dirty yeah that was a crazy scene that was almost as wild as when they threw in the first one when they throw Emilio when they lock when they put Emilio in the chest and then

throw it out the window and he pops out they dress him up as Chavez and then start yelling about they're coming out guns up he just the deputy just gets fucking obliterated dude like a thousand bullets from a hundred dudes goes into that guy it's i love like everyone unloads and then he like falls down and they walk up to him and the one guy's just like oh shit now we're in trouble okay we the the lynch mobs were I got wild I got lynch mob questions okay I got lynch mob questions okay I got lynch mom questions because he so they have a bunch of the Murphy people and so they start rounding up

everybody involved in the Lincoln County War which was the events that took place in the first movie yeah so they start round they got all these people in an underground little hole that's a that's acting as a prison yeah and they're dumping horse poop on them yeah that's what they get to eat but so my question is they have all of these people in the prison, in the little whole prison, and they're scheduled to hang them tomorrow.

The guy says something along the lines of you'll be swinging from the gallows tomorrow morning to dock. And then they start talking about how the lynch mob is going to come. If you're a lynch mob, why are you coming the night

before they're already going to hang them? Like, just wait a till the morning and then they're going to hang them for you well or come or come earlier don't come the night before listen it's poor planning is my my whoever is in charge of the lynch mob poor planning so i think like i don't think we need to dissect this for too long but i think that's like usually these are just drummed up through people getting handled hammered and pissed off and then the mob goes to the jail and then kills them. So it, I mean, it was somewhat planned, but do it a couple days before is all I'm saying.

Do it a couple days before. Not the night of. I get your point, but it was probably, you know, some drunk guy at the local tavern and it was like, yeah, they, we better. That dang old Billy the kid killed my brother. let's go string him up and then they ran and got him but they didn't get not then they didn't get him and then all the people got out well and so that was my other thing though is they they were talking about the lynch mob for a while right yeah enough so that billy the kid knew that a lynch mob was probably coming that night so then he used that as his cover to break him

out yeah so again poor planning do it a couple days before and b don't go telling everybody about it what are we doing here poor planning or planning ridiculous yeah but i did so they they they start rounding all the everybody up they uh they go to new york to get doc because new york's like a school teacher in new york yeah His lesson plan where he's teaching everybody the alphabet, wild to me. He's showing the letter F, right? And he's like, hey, guys, what are F words, right? What words start with F?

Like, one kid says Friday, normal, solid word, great choice. Then Doc says family for the second word, Friday family, solid, easy enough words ready for it. Then the third word he throws out, fulminate. Pulminate is the third word we're going to throw off for F? That's the first time I've ever heard that word. Fulminate?

This is the most Brandon conversation I've ever had in my entire life. I'm just, that's a wild third word to throw out. You're not wrong in the slightest. I just, I didn't even pick up on that. You go fancy, right? Fancy would work.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. I didn't even pick up on the fact that... I had to Google what Fulminate means. I had to Google it because I'd never heard that word before. unbelievable. It's wild. Wild stuff. Wild horses.

I had to Google it. You know what it is? Yeah. It's an explosive. It's a chemical compound for explosives. Full money. Yeah. Duh.

Can't believe you didn't know that. Well, because that's one of the definitions. There's a couple definitions. This is probably the one he meant is the second definition, which is a vehement protest. That's probably what he was talking about. but still vehemently protest you talking about fulminate dude that threw me off i was like that's your third word that's your third fucking word because they were like 10 years old it was elementary school at best and then the other one you know you know why how wild it was that he threw

fulminate out is because a couple one scene later he's got w up and he's and he's like hey what are some w words everybody's silent so he pulls out his pocket it watch shows it to the kid and the kid's like oh right watch the kid didn't know watch how's he going to know full money unbelievable that's wow i have no words for that brandon that's i mean it's it's you're 100% right on your critiques it's thank you that's all that's all i wanted to hear. Thank you. I wouldn't say you're wrong. I think that you getting,

it was just funny. Listen. Like, I am now going to try to find ways to fit fulminate into conversation. You should, yeah. That's a requirement from here. But so that's how they get,

they get doc. They go, they bust into a school, round them up. And then they drag, they drag them by a horse for, Oh my gosh, yeah It's a rough transportation for poor doc Yeah Then they throw them in the little pit

And then that's when Chavez pops out from the crowd And we realize Chavez is down there too Yeah And then it cuts back to Billy the kid Who is He's back at old Fort Subner In New Mexico Yeah

And it's him Arkansas Dave and was a Pat Garrett right yeah Pat Garrett yeah that's where we meet the the little kid who wants to ride with him

yeah how he called Mr. Pennsylvania Pennsylvania um the little kid calls Billy the kid the prince of pistolleers

which is a great fucking nickname yeah great nickname yeah I did this this time period um but both

being a western set in the late 1800s and then also being filmed in 1990 when you could you know say some crazy fucking shit um the line when the little kid is talking to arkansas dave and arkansas dave is like oh you don't know who i am i'm arkansas dave dude he's like i forget how many he says but he's like i've killed a bunch of people um not and he says i've killed like 20 people not counting Mexicans or Indians wild phrase wild phrase yeah a lot and then um we mentioned this in the in the first movie where these motherfuckers is Billy the kid is falling for for traps and falling into to right so yeah um like how does he's getting tricked like the the the the new sherry when he meets with the governor the new governor that's what the governor the governor is like he's like if

you testify i'll give you a party which okay i can see agreeing to that right but as part of the condition for that he agrees to be essentially thrown in prison while they await his testimony, which he's like, obviously they're not going to let you out. Once they throw you in there, why would they let you let you out? Especially when the, was it the district attorney that comes in? And the one dude's like, can I just, let me just throw these shackles on you. Just for safety reasons. Let me throw these on.

Just for show. And he's like, oh, yeah, sure, no problem. And then he's like, and then he's shocked when the guy is like, no, you're. in jail, bro. Your deal's done, because we already have you in handcuffs. Just the rookie mistake.

Like, it, yeah, like, going into that, how did he not know? Yeah, how do you not see that coming? Like, why would you let them handcuff? Why would you, yeah, not

at least try and meet the governor not in his office, surrounded by like you know the sheriff and stuff and just yeah very poor decision making by old billy the kid he did get a you know what he did though he what he got out of it was a nice piece of cake he did fucking cake eater dude got the got the sweet with the sweet frosting yeah that uh fucking that white cake dude the way he takes it off the plate to eat it with his hands dude when he when he started eating cake i lost my mind i was like So it's almost like they knew this was going to be the name of our podcast in 25 years, 35 years.

The knife fight between Arkansas, Dave and Chavez in the Indian burial ground, that was wild. So that, that was a scene they added at the end. Why? Because, um, Lou Diamond Phillips, I don't know what's seen it was for, but, he was filming a scene and the horse got spooked and i forget if the horse threw him off or if it like landed on him essentially a spooked horse caused lew diamond phillips to to get into an accident where he broke his arm oh and so it was towards it was it was it was they'd already filmed a good chunk but they still had other scenes to film and so in order to you know pass off that he can't

he can't really, he's not really moving his arm. They added that scene where Arkansas Dave stabs him in the arm. Okay. So that's why that was added. And why, because you're right, it seemed way out of place. It seemed real weird. Didn't, like, the entire movie flowed except for that scene. I agree.

Yeah, yeah. But so I did read that, though. That was added. They filmed that after LDP broke his arm. to kind of justify why his arm was all, why he wasn't using it and it was all weird and stuff. That was a crazy scene though, right through the arm,

right through. That was rough. And then he's all, do you want your, what he's all you wear your knife back? No bone handled knives. Arkansas Dave, though, he kept him introducing himself as Arkansas

Dave all the time was cracking me up. And then I loved how every once in a while he'd be like, come on, Dave's boys. he'd like try to make himself the leader he's like you guys are daves boys let's go come on guys and they just look at him like what are you doing oh that was and then they go in the other direction that he started to go in that was really good yeah he's all follow me and then amelia just turns and goes the other way it's really good stuff going back to the the scene um where they uh they get deputy carl just massacred because deputy car so they go to white oaks which is a little town

um and on the sign of white oaks it says no scum allowed but they go in anyway and then they they end up in the brothel with uh jane i think was her name was the uh the character's name and you know they're partnering end up with jane and then uh another lynch mob comes uh deputy carl goes into the brothel and he's trying to like sweet talk them he's like i because again we i think we mentioned this in the when we were talking about in the first movie as a sheriff in these times you got you you have very little actual authority other than the gun on your hip right like like nobody nobody nobody's listening to you if there's a gang with over six people you're just at their mercy yeah so if there's six people armed to the teeth

You just have to do what they say. Yeah. And so he's trying to calm the situation. So he's like, hey, lynch mob, you stay here. Let me go in. All I'll figure this out. So he goes in. He starts trying to sweet talk, Billy the kid and all the crew.

And he goes, guys, if you just, if you just give me the Indian, I think that'll, that'll make him satisfied. Which is then why they dress him up as Chavez and then throw him out there. but oh they get their revenge on it like oh my god that was crazy um yeah if i should give me the indian that'll satisfy them what a wild um but so they yeah they throw uh they dress deputy carl up as uh chavez they throw him out he gets all blown to shreds and then they sneak out into the night um and then fucking in Pat Garrett comes around to the brothel

burns the brothel down. That was unnecessary. Yeah, but you know, Jane gets them back in the end, just gets naked and rides off into the side. We had a nice, side saddle.

Nice butt shot. I wrote down in my notes, a different way to ride bearback. You get it? Yes, Brandon. I, hear the worst. anyways

we talked about it in the first movie about we briefly touched on brothels during that time and what a smelly place it would about what a yeah what a what a time what time just syphilis running around everywhere

would you say at the end skins off of the first the first episode of Young Guns one we got to skin out that's what they say Oh, skin out. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is terrible advice. Wrap it up, guys. Skin out. Brandon. Skin out. Skin out. Skin out in an 1890s brothel heat. That's not what I was saying, Brandon.

They say when they leave, that's what they say. I don't know. I think that's what you say. Brandon, you don't know, you don't know shit about anything. You obviously didn't even watch the movies. I definitely did. You're the one that didn't watch the movies. I watched perfectly, perfectly watched.

That was very convincing. Watch it like it's never been watched before, Brandon. But I think this was before we get to the brothel. I forget, but when they're chasing them, when Gandalf and CSI guy are chasing them through the desert. and they come to that little cliff or whatever and LDP just full sends his horse off the cliff and they all go flying off the cliff that I felt so bad for the horses in this movie they why do they always kill the horses right off the rip I'm pretty sure a horse was the first

one to die right they shot it right in the but and then watching those horses tumbled down the cliff was was rough but um i did love how he ldp like sends his horse full send and he's like i'm pretty exactly what he shouts but he's he's like shouting as the horse jumps off the cliff and then the rest of them follow and they go down or whatever and then uh i think it's uh christie slater arkansas davis talking to him after the end of the bottom and everybody's okay and he's like what did you what did you say how'd you get your horse to do that and he LDP's like um I share it's a what I was shouting was a very famous Navajo phrase means stop I forgot about that that was that was great yeah

but yeah young un sue was solid I lived I did so after so Pat Garrett turns on it he's originally starts as part of the crew turns on him becomes sheriff it's a different Pat Garrett than the first movie the first movie they have a different actor play Pat Garrett who's in like two scenes in the first one and they're real weird and ominous he's just like hey I'm gonna become the sheriff watch her back so then in the second movie when he was there right off the rip I thought that was a little weird yeah you can tell obviously they weren't planning for a sequel and so some of the continuity gets a little messed up but and finesse it yeah um but so pat uh is in the crew at start turns on him um become

sheriff and then it's chasing him along with figo mortinson um who's another lawman through the desert and then you know we get a bunch of tension people start turning on each other dock's very wary of where where billy the kid is leading us especially after he gets the kid shot yeah yikes mr Pennsylvania. That's a sad day. He really laid that on the guy hunting him, like Garrett's feet, you know. Well, I mean, Gary, because Mr. I think his name was Beaver, right?

What's another little kid's name? The kid and. Beaver was the guy that works for the, like the inn. And that's the one that the guy says he's going to buy. Wait, what? Don't you remember that? Beaver is the guy that works at the inn. He's the one that always yells at the kid for eating out of his trash cans.

Oh, what's the kid's name then? I thought the kid's name was Beaver. No. Beaver is the kid that's always yelling at him for rummaging around his trash cans. What's the kid's name then? Keep going. Keep talking. But so I thought the kids, I thought the kid's name was Beaver.

But so, yeah, yeah, Pat Garrett shoots me. shoots the kid because it's in the middle of the chase they kind of get away for a little bit and then he sees Billy the kid and the the actual kid on like the top of a of a bluff or whatever you know so far away he only sees the kind of like silhouette behind or in front of the sun and he just pulls out his I think he pulled out a shotgun right um and shoots and he hits the kid he's obviously he was aiming for for Billy but he hits the kid instead kills the kid and that's kind of what sets off the turmoil and Billy's yeah Billy was real hurt

did you figure out the kid's name Billy was real upset about it he son of a goddamn maybe it is maybe let's see we got the cast pulled up but I can't remember his name oh I have no idea what the actual actor's name is this is riveting podcasting we have going on here it's great this is Tom

Tom is the kid's name played by Balthazar Getty What a fucking name Balthazar That's another great Build a character First that's a good first name

For build a character Balthazar Balthasar Getty Damn Oh he's in Lord of the Flies Balthasar Gettie What a god damn name dude

but yeah so that's the kid Tom oh he's red in Twin Peaks okay um Balthazar Getty so okay so Brandon so I'm right I'm right Beaver is not that kid

no you're not right seems pretty right to me no because you didn't know his actual name and you couldn't and you were too stupid to find it Brandon, that's hurtful and hateful language. I am I am fully fulminating the fact that you're right. That's what I'm doing.

You're the worst. Okay, so Beaver was the old man who was yelling at him. Tom is the kid's name. And Tom gets fucking dunzoed, killed. Smoked. Shot right in the heart, I believe. Yep. I love I should say I love I thought it was pretty like guilt should be funny when

Garrett after he shoots him he like walks up to him to see if he got Billy the kid or or somebody else it's the it's little little Tom and he's like he's like you know he got shot in the heart with a shotgun so he's obviously dying and he with his last dying breath he looks up at Pat and goes you shot me yes you fuck you fucking dirty best bastard you shot me you son of a biscuit how dare poor little tom though little tom done zoned yeah and then uh the rest of the the the gang holds up in like a little ruin or whatever and that's when doc starts getting pissed off at billy the kid he's like he's son of a bitch you're you're not who you because like i think you said in the first one billy the kid is

he is believing everything they're saying about him he is his ego is unmatched yeah every every news article he gets a little bit more pompous yeah and doc's had enough of it I thought this was a great fucking so it I thought this was a great scene when he's like yelling at Billy the kid and he's like this is your fault you did this you got Tom killed this is you know this is a all your fault and he stands up he grabs his gun cocks it points it right at uh billy the kid and goes you are not a god and then amelio's line delivery and this line was amazing because he like gun cocked in his face looks looks docked in the eye and goes go and pull the trigger let's find out classic because i mean it he

he's he's you know he's smelling his own shit billy the kid is he's believing all the hype about himself but in it in his defense i guess for lack of a better term at that at in this time frame right late 1980s to go through what he's gone through and not be killed yet you have to think you're somewhat invincible right that's true like very true because he's watched everybody else die and he just won't die. You get a little, little, little fallacy there where you start thinking you're invincible.

You can do whatever you want. Especially with like with so many near death experiences too and just getting through them also. Yeah. Like eventually it's like, hey, maybe I am invincible. Yeah. Because he's been,

he's been shot a couple times. Yeah. But all non-fatal couple like one of the leg I think is when at the very beginning he gets shot the leg, right? Yeah. And I think he got shot once or twice in the, first show be in the first movie but yeah not nothing fatal still kicking everybody else is

dead you got yeah you got to be you're starting to think yeah maybe maybe maybe i am a god yeah i tell tell me that self that all the time brandon you tell yourself that all the time that maybe you are john yeah no i'm kidding but i do razz kelly all the time and tell her how much of a trendsetter i am how much of a trend setter i am how much of a trend What classifies you as a trend center? Oh, I, every, like you name something that's hip and cool. I basically started it. Like, there's a way for me to finesse me starting it.

Like, give me an example. What do you got? I don't know. I can't think of it off the top of my head. It's great. This is a great podcasting. We have going on. We're going to be our best episode yet, probably.

Yeah, young guns, too. It's it's gonna be like this movie, you know, it's better, hopefully it's better than expected. Classic Nebraska Heath. Been there, you know. Just killed 21 men. State names for sure need to make it come back. Or you know what's a low, like a low key fire, like a low key way to make a sick name is you put a location as the last name. so like like johnny nebraska great name yeah

just throw a throw a location down there you're good to go like there's like if you were like if i was from valentine nebraska like heath valentine that's a good one yeah i think i feel like it's got to be sounds more like a vj name i guess a vj this is he valentine with rick d's tub 40 i i don't i do did not think voice jockey at first i was like what the fuck is a vj what are you talking yeah um it's got to be like a well-known location though like valentine doesn't read as a

as a city name right though that you're you are right though that would be a top-notch radio name um especially if you had like a love a love hour love section like delilah yeah but it's got to be it's got to be like a state name or like a famous not a famous but like a well-known city like valentine's a little too it doesn't read as a city right away you need something like uh even even like lincoln is too normal of a name to read as a city right away you could do omaha though something like johnny omaha i'm trying to think what else would john johnny as a first name works with anything by the way if you johnny whatever always sounds great boyzy doesn't work well with boise johnny boise

oh that is a good point You might have found the exception that that proves the rule there. I'm a genius. What about like, I don't think. What about, again, riveted podcast right now. Let's keep her moving before I start having to go relieve Kelly from her baby duties. Give her a chance to do this. Yeah.

You're a totally white baby. Yeah. it's the fully white baby um do you have anything else did we miss anything i think we covered a good chunk i don't we cover most of it the key to this movie it's like you're when you're thinking to yourself should i watch the the sequel to young guns if it's on a streaming service like what the fuck is a philo but if it's on a normal streaming service not philo then yeah you should absolutely give it a shot, give it a watch, especially if you just recently watched

Young Guns. You know? That is. That is a good point. We, Young Guns 1 is on Amazon. If you're subscribed, it's on Amazon for free. Young Guns 2 is not on anything except for, like, Philo, with what you mentioned, which, yeah, I don't know what that is.

But so, uh, we had to rent it, which, you know, if you're a, I don't know if I would recommend renting it for what, four bucks is it three four bucks yeah that might be a little pricey a little yeah tough on the purse brings but if you can find it for free i i guarantee you it's on youtube you probably find it on youtube for free but um i it's a much better digital credit so it was only a dollar there you're it's a much better sequel than you would

think it is than you think it would be um arkansas dave christian slater steals the show Um, yeah, fantastic. Yeah. Um, do you got a cakey rating, Heath? We can just jump to the, we can wrap this up, jump to the end, cakey rating. Let's, um, I, I, give me your white cake sweet frosting rating. That's, dude, this is my, this is Bon Jovi customizing blaze of glory for this movie adds a good chunk to it. Like it.

So, but the problem is, is that Emilio's old guy. voice offsets the awesomeness that Bon Jovi added to it. So we're just, we're in a real pickle with this cake. We're going back and forth to you. Yeah, it's, it's hard because every time I'm like, yeah, God, I'm going down in a blaze of glory. And then I start thinking, I'm going down in a blaze of glory. Um, and so, yeah, I don't know. I'd say 2.2.2.8.

1.2.81. Yeah. Ooh, okay. 2.81. It was good, but I am mad that a little mad. I had to use my digital credits on renting that thing, you know, that's fair. That's fair.

So 281 for you, okay. And you gave three, you gave the first one at 3.6. Yeah, love the first one. First one solid. I gave the first one a 3.1. So for the for Young Guns 2, I'm going to go 2.2. I want to go a 2.2.

Slightly below average. The first one's way better. But if you, if you loved the first one and you're, or if you're a Western guy, I mean, it's no holes, right? he's no holes yeah it's absolutely no holes uh but yeah give it a shot um amelio he's a lot better in the first one because you get a really you really get to see the kind of his like transformation into billy the kid but he he is a great billy the kid he crushes it in both of these

movies i am excited for young guns three um which they are i know amelio wrote a script for it that they're trying to do i i don't know how far long they are in the process i don't think they're filming anything yet but i am excited to see what happens with that um because i believe they got everybody back i believe uh kefer's back or not keever died who they who they say they amelia's back for sure and i know they got a couple other people maybe christians later because christian slater didn't die he died in the post credit like scroll the freeze frame scene they do they mention him dying but he doesn't die in the movie

so he's probably for Young Guns 3 I don't know he what else you got that's that's all I got Young Guns 3 currently in development yeah you didn't even watch young guns to you though I watched it better than he watched it you were silent this whole entire time

you didn't say one one word I've been I literally gave us the best bond jovi entrance we've ever had yeah you didn't have to watch the movie