The Cake Eaters - 68. Casper

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

It's a super special spooky theme episode today, as the boys take on the 90s classic Casper! Heath and Brandon discuss their love for Christina Ricci, Heath's bedtime routine, scary movies, spooky season, ghosting in the online dating world, and then they dissect all the plot holes in this beloved classic. Follow us at www.thecakeaterspod.com and on Twitter (@thecakeeaters) and Instagram (@thecakeeaterspod) Email us at [e-mail]

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did you know these are based on comics yeah and then there was like the old old TV show like the cartoon like the old old cartoon I didn't know it was a comic book though I was

familiar with the old cartoons but did not know it was a comic book, though. I was familiar with the old cartoons, but did not know it was a comic book. Yeah. Learn something new every day, Heath. It's great. It's great. I mean, I have a huge book of Calvin and Hobbes, and, God, this is weird.

Maybe I shouldn't say it on air, but I used to read Calvin and Hobbes comics to kelly before bed when we first started dating we could read books before bed and she had me she had me read um calvin and hobbes out because i i was like it started where i was just like oh let me read through my calvin and hobbes book and then kelly's like oh you should read those out loud so um it evolved into me reading to kelly before bed we haven't read those out loud so um it evolved into me reading to kelly before bed we haven't done that in a while we'll have to do that again i don't know i don't know how to handle that story is that too weird maybe i shouldn't it's not weird

but it's also it's kind of weird that it's not that weird you know it's yeah you know what you know what sorry i'm sidebar for the last minute but we have to add an episode of me reading the d2 mighty ducks book that i bought from the scholastic book fair in elementary school oh yeah we never we never we meant to do an episode on the book we never did that well did yeah for sure yep okay so anyways um but you know i'm glad we talked about kelly too because this is one of the first movies that we've done that I watched with Kelly. Kelly was a part of the watching process throughout this because she really liked this

movie as a kid. I was nine years old when it came out. It came out in 1995. And so like this was, I was the wheelhouse. I was the target market i thought this movie was awesome i haven't watched this movie since i was a kid this did not live up to the billing from when i was a kid like i feel like i feel like there's kids movies that like age well as you get old and like you can continue to watch them as you get older like ninja turtles one and two age really well you can watch this anytime as an one one maybe two two no dude ninja ninja

rap ninja yeah the fact that there's a ninja rap doesn't ice tea do the ninja rap too vanilla ice oh vanilla like come on that's even that's even worse no way that that hands down it pushes it almost to be the best movie of the three just because of that i don't know but anyways every this is one of those this is one of those movies that like gets tougher to watch as you get older yeah so for me so so this is the kicker's podcast everybody mine is brennan heath is mine he's the co-host here if you haven't figured out we're talking about casper the 1995 casper the friendly ghost i will agree with you this doesn't age well and you know what doesn't you know what age is you know what i get more and more annoyed with the older i get is his three uncles the older i get the less i find them funny

the more the more annoying they are it's just i i don't care for it i don't care for it yeah and are they are they even his uncles i don't know i are they really it it's in like how did how did he get sad a ghost yeah i don't know well they establish it in the movie that these ghosts can leave they're not tied they're not tied to the house about this that we had to talk about this kelly and i literally that was the first thing that we talked about when this movie started it's like okay leave just you you're not you're obviously not stuck at this fucking house the cartoon the old cartoon he like goes out to make friends he like goes forth in the world like he's not stuck to these shithead uncles like why is he like well that i mean he is he is 11 or 12 whatever he is

so maybe and i i can see why he's drawn to this house right because like you know he's he's feeling stuck there because this is where he haunted his dad you know for how long spoilers but like i don't know this um yeah i think that i think that's his is he's because that was my thing i was like just, just leave these uncles. They're not doing anything for you. That's a lesson for all you people out there, too. Like, uncles, family, doesn't matter, dude. You have to leave. You're not required to love your family.

If they're fucking assholes, leave them. Yeah. You don't have to stay. You don't have to fucking do anything. You don't owe shit to anybody. Ghost them. You know how many family members i've ghosted he's so many oh dude i go i ghost life man you know i'm just not here just living it by myself man i found i was watching a i was watching instagram reels the other day and i found one that like hit home with me and it was this girl talking about um um breakups and

she was like just be an adult and ghost me you know we went on two dates you sending me a paragraph long text message I don't need that just ghost me ghost me like an adult I mean I'm sorry just not into it cool I probably like no straight ghost. No text message at all. Straight ghost. Because like for me, like them not being into it and bailing on the plans, like they don't even know how much that meant to me. You know, at that moment in time, like I didn't want to go either. Dude, that has to be honestly one of the greatest feelings in the world is when you've planned like an on – like a hinge or like a tender or whatever first date and they cancel. Oh, God.

I love it, dude. That's better than getting into a real relationship. I would rather you do that. It's amazing. And you know what I would do too? The instant like heroin high I get from that is amazing. Yeah, and you know what I was due to? The instant like heroin high I get from that is amazing. Yeah.

And you know what I used to do too as I, you know, I was deep in the online dating game when I was living in Houston is I would treat myself like to a fantastic day. Like I'd maybe go get some Whataburger breakfast, drop by the HEB, maybe grab a couple growlers, you know, of a delicious local beer. You know, it was just, I would make a whole day, maybe sit by the pool. Oh man, it you know it was just i would make a whole day maybe sit by the pool oh man it was it was fantastic like the whole world was my oyster because this person who i did not want to have to try and meet um you know and and it was when like when i first got into the game i was very naive too so i didn't understand what it meant like with like an iceberg so i just

assumed that everyone always looked like their pictures you know and so like sometimes you show up to those dates and you're like oh boy yeah this is this is i you know i'm very much so advertised who i was you know a mediocre at best looking gentleman with a receding hairline i'm a big fan of like putting up um like real bad photos that way like if because if if you match with the terrible photos i know you're you're a real one you're in you're in for this you know and then then i show up in real life and you're like oh i thought he was the ugliest person in the world and now he's he's only the third ugliest person in the world so we're doing great um this will be the last time last thing i say about my

old um online dating profiles but i was telling this story to kelly and and um she agreed with me that i was like i don't think it did me any favors but um you know on workaholics when they do the flashback into college and adam devine is like are you kidding me? I love love. I used to cut myself to Dashboard Confessional. I screen grabbed a meme of that exact moment, and that was my third Tinder picture. There you go. For a while, it was like wedding picture, me and Jenkins. I love love.

I used to cut myself to Dashboard Confessional. I don't think that did me any favors. I don't know. It depends on what your target market was. If you don't think that did me any favors. I don't know. It depends on what your target market was. If you don't get that, then you don't get me. Now they have prompts and stuff, like questions to answer.

Oh, no way. For those ones, I always try to do a real weird movie quote or TV quote. On my Hinge profile, there's like... I forget what the exact my hinge profile uh there's like um if i i forget what the exact question is but it's like my dream a dream i have and i use the quote from parks and rec where uh tom's talking about point break he's like yeah we go we remake the movie point break and i play

both roles keanu and swayze and then i also use i recently updated which has been a big hit so far yeah um i uh one of my prompts is a is a barbie quote from the oh i oh my god i bet that is just wildfire yeah the prompt is like one thing you should know about me and there's a scene in barbie spoiler alert well not about me. And there's a scene in Barbie spoiler alert. Well, I'm not really spoiler alert, but there's a scene in Barbie kind of right before America Ferreira gives her like,

like the big, like emotional, like women are, it's so hard to be a woman's speech or whatever, where Margot Robbie's talking about, like, she's like comparing herself to the other Barbies. And she's like,

she's like, I'm not a brain surgeon. I'm not the president. Nobody in the supreme court is me and she like lists a whole bunch of stuff and so that's my my one thing you should know about me i'm not the president oh well that's fantastic um have you seen that sorry this is my last piece on this and we'll get back to the movie but have you seen the um the reel that's going around where the guy is like it's my birthday and you know what that means and he gives his girlfriend the fucking script for the last star wars movie where anakin fights with obi-wan and he's like doing it and he goes throws cloak off he's like obi-wan and so then um kelly and then i sent it to kelly and she laughed

for forever and she and so she was like what would you do and i looked her dead in the eyes and i had to pull it up because i being on the spot i couldn't remember but i literally looked her in the eyes i went arise arise riders of rohan baldides awake fire and slaughter spears shall be shaken shields shall be splintered a sword day a red day and the sun rises it's not a very good one to pick for your birthday because that's just a straight monologue oh god i don't know what you could do's just a straight monologue oh god i don't know what you could do it's a straight monologue which honestly he's you could do whenever you wanted because it's just a monologue i do it all the time yeah riders of rohan where's the and then

he's like riding with his sword and he's like hitting the gears to ting ting ting ting ting i did that part too for her the thing again it's a monologue You can do that whenever you want I think the thing with the Star Wars thing Is it's a two person scene So that's why it's on his birthday that he only gets to do it You gotta pick a two person scene You gotta make Kelly act it out Okay I gotta find a duet

That was the first thing That popped into my mind Thinking of a movie scene Like a quote like i feel like if you don't watch like and with the song you know like the fucking lord and they just come they're sprinting down the car oh dude if you don't that's that's another one of those like moments in time in the movies like when you hear the speech from king theoden with the ride of the rohirrim when they like fucking go attack oh my god dude i don't i don't know i just don't i don't

know if we can be friends if you don't feel anything during that scene so we haven't talked about casper at all um oh yeah sorry sorry i just you know so casper but but i do recommend everyone to go i wish i could give credit to the dude but it is the funniest shit in the entire because he like sounds like anakin and then he goes throws and his poor girlfriend is like i'm like trying not to laugh and like looking at it's fantastic it's fantastic but you're right i um coaching to self i will um i gotta find a duet there you know i i had a solo um but i gotta find a duet you know i could do like the confrontation between gandalf and saruman there you go when saruman exchanged reason for madness yeah are we gonna talk about casper casper all right let's go

quick all right um so we kick off the movie we're walking into a spooky house and did you see who was there the one the only squints pre wendy peppercorn squints um is in there and he gets absolutely terrified by casper youper. He gets scared by the friendliest ghost. Yeah. He's never going to live that one down, but that's fine. After that introduces

Casper, we get the will reading. Before you get to the will reading, I want to preface. Why are we watching this? We're doing Casper because Garrett Ratliff Garrett Ratliff want to preface we're doing why are we watching we're we're doing casper because uh garrett ratliff garrett ratliff henson gee a beloved gee is in this movie he plays vick which is one of uh christina ricci's uh new schoolmates yep it's vick um so that's why we're doing casper we're

also doing school heartthrob school heartthrob you know always no surprise no surprise gee come on and then we're also doing casper because it's october it's halloween and this is the scariest movie that heath would let us do let me defend myself that it is not an insane thing to not care for scary movies and i've said this i think we talked about this in like the newsies podcast we're like life is scary enough for me that i don't need my movies to do that as well you know what i want with my movies i want nostalgia i want humor um you know i want you know like a beautiful story you know maybe some sword and sorcery i want some magic you know i need something of that maybe some action you know scary like a beautiful story, you know, maybe some sword and sorcery. I want some magic, you know, I need something of that.

Maybe some action, you know, always have magic in it. There's always like witches and demons. It's, it's not like good magic. It's all the magic that you don't want to fuck with Brandon. It's all the bad juju magic. It's like, that's the, it's like the magic it's like that's like that's the pull quote for this episode scary movies not the good magic

it's but it's not the kind of magic that you want in your movie the kind of magic that i want is harry potter you know i want gandalf you're literally talking about witches witches and warlocks dude i but like not the ones that are trying to like sacrifice and summon demons imagine how imagine how boring harry potter's life would be without voldemort you know uh that's brandon scary movies are fine i actually loved scary movies as a kid, but then as I got older, and like I said, life started being scary enough, I was like, you know what I don't need to do?

I don't need my movies to be scary as well. But anyway, Casper, Gee, scary movies, Squints is terrified by Casper, the friendliest of ghosts. Yep. And then it cuts to the will reading for, what's the actress's name?

So Kathy Moriarty, real famous actress, a national goddamn treasure. Yep, and her partner in crime, Dibs, played by Eric Idle. He's also in a lot of shit too. Yeah, but so her name is Kerrigan. They call her Kerrigan, which I believe is her last name in the-

He's in the Holy Grail. He's Monty Python. Oh, yeah. He's great. Kathy Moriarty's great. She was in Raging Bull. Both of them, national fucking treasures. I love Kathy Moriarty because she has that perfect

not old school hollywood because she was she was doing movies in like the 70s and 80s but like that like for me old school hollywood like deep raspy smoker voice oh it's so distinct like whenever she talks i could like not be looking at the screen and i'm like that's fucking kathy moriarty i know that voice and you just imagine her with like a pack of virginia slims just chain smoking yeah love it using the butt of the last one to light the new one exactly exactly um but so yeah she she her dad just died and she's complaining because she's not getting stuff from the will even though she spent – I forget exactly how long she said, but she spent a small amount of time while he was dying trying to kiss ass to get this will. And instead of giving any money to her, her dad – sounds like a brilliant fucking man, i would love to meet he's giving all of his fortune to to like animal uh non-profits and like endangered species and uh that's all it is

it's all animal and endangered species and the possibly the greatest foundation that name that i've ever heard of heath the coup de grace brandon the dyslexic Dalmatians Foundation. Exactly. They've got my donation. I would love to know how they figure out which Dalmatians are dyslexic. I would love to, like, I would love to take that test to see if I could pass it.

Like, can you read, like, a Dalmatian? Exactly. Who knows? Oh, man. And then there's, I mean, there's all kinds of other ones too dolphins and tigers and owls and all that good shit too but the dyslexic dolphins kelly like literally well because he did you hear that he lists a whole bunch of like normal sounding like animal foundations and then it like it's like a throwaway it's like a quick line right before it cut so you

like don't get the whole line um but yeah they try to sneak it in there the dyslexic dalmatian foundation uh it's amazing and then um i love that she yells i'm taking you and every one of those damn dolphins to court oh that would have been a great spin-off that would have been a great spin he's donating huge chunks of change i think that it's all 1.4 million no it's it's well it's not all 1.4 million but i'm pretty sure the dolphins got like 2.4 2.3 million there is 1.2 was there 2.5 some nice chunks of change man yeah especially in 1995 like she does nothing to sneeze at she does get left one thing though she gets left what is it whipstaff manor yep whipstaff manor just outside of uh friendship main yep and as we know and they even allude to it um every stephen king novel starts

in me yep they they pull up uh christina and uh bill pullman pull up in there. Bill Pullman's like, ah, what a great house. Isn't this amazing? If you're Stephen King. Yeah. I thought that was, I thought you would like that. I love it. Cause as soon as I forgot where it took place at. And as soon as they said friendship, Maine, I was like, oh Jesus,

this is Brandon's theory all over again. Never go to Maine. I've said it once. I'll say it again. Never go to Maine. You're going to get, you're gonna get you're gonna get haunted yeah you know um but yeah so um but they they find out um the dibs and what's her butt find out that there is a treasure in the house and when it's like a weird secret message because he he like accidentally dibs accidentally throws the stuff in the fire

she throws it she throws it on purpose and then it like because because of the heat it like reveals like a weird secret thing that says there's treasure there's treasure in them hills yeah that's my prospector

impersonation did it kill did it crush I felt like I was in the old west but they I like when because I can't remember what happened to his hand but like he he burns or he burns his hand trying to get the treasure dig it through the fire yeah

and then they get to the house and he lights his hand on fire that was good stuff when he because like the lackey lady villain they get to the house and he lights his hand on fire that's that was good stuff um winning because like the the lackey lady villain power dynamic was this was like it was yeah and these are dalmatians rescuers that was like i mean there's so many like we mentioned these are two like top notch actor actresses they fucking nailed the dynamic perfectly yeah yeah they they play very well off each other and they go in he lights his thumb on fire and this is where

casper is like hi i'm casper um and they it's like don't if i show myself don't scream you gotta promise yeah um and guess what they he's like hey don't do that or you'll wake up and then here come the uncle these sons of fucking stinky stretchy and fatso is it stretchy stretch i think stinky yeah stinky stretch and fatso yep what did i say stretchy stretchy i mean close that's his nickname that's what they call him wait it's stretchy old stretchy and do you know who uh you know who does the voice of fatso who brad garrett uh from uh everybody loves raymond oh nice oh yeah okay and then the other two i don't i've never heard of before I'm sure they're well renowned voice actors but speaking of famous people

so they get accosted by the ghost and so they bring in they start the exorcism so they bring in did you notice who the the priest was right the priest is Don Novello who's like uh

he's a he's a famous actor he was on snl but it's it's a that uh it's father guido i wrote it down yeah father guido that's a that character he's doing is a is a direct snl character oh i didn't pick up on that i assumed it was something that i wasn't getting because of like what he was saying yeah it's uh he did he does he did that character on snl for years um he would show up on like weekend update and do that character um and then i see a bunch of other skits too but yeah that's a direct snl character um which i'm sure i'm sure all the kids got just like the the marx brothers reference in the mighty ducks i'm sure the kids loved this just were eating this up i did not remember him coming out with vomit all over his shirt with his head backwards i remembered the head backwards yeah oh man i and uh what uh ray

finkman right ray isn't that wasn't it or not i forget i forget his name in the movie but yeah it's dan akroyd doing this ghostbusters character comes in and he even drops the line uh you should call somebody else yeah you should you should call somebody else he's uh oh he's ray stance yeah okay basically i say god i was right you said ray finkman or something but uh but yes they brought in all those little uh little cameos um which was great the don novella one i loved father guido is if you've never seen the father guido skit search like snl father guido it's hilarious we we enjoyed the ghostbusters. You know, having Rey come out,

that was good stuff. So then they're trying to figure out what to do, how to get rid of these ghosts, and that's when Casper's flipping channels, right? He was watching Mr. Rogers, Won't You Be My Neighbor? And that was a great message, you know, just be yourself, kids.

Then we get a hard copy edition, right? Oh, is it hard copy? I kept saying Dateline get a hard copy edition right oh is it hard copy i kept saying dateline but hard copy is even better but so it's a hard copy piece on bill pullman uh dr harvey who's a ghost therapist yep and uh he like helps ghosts move on to the to uh or crossover right um and this fucking this fucking like little like news piece was so i had forgotten about this and i was not prepared for how aggressive it was because there's a couple lines that the people are saying so they're talking about bill pullman and they're like he's a ghost therapist and they go they say so he travels from from city to city along with his loner daughter and then it does it does a shot of christina richie sitting all

by herself at the school and then it says uh there's a couple really under the bus that is that like can't take a look at her loner daughter i was like you know they could have just said daughter they don't know if she's a loner. Then later on at the end, they're like, he'll keep going from city to city, dragging his daughter along. My, what Kelly and I talked about was the fact that he was like the PC police before they were happening. When he said living impaired. Yeah, they're not, they're not ghosts. he said living impaired yeah they're not they're not ghosts they're living impaired it reminded me of PC

principal from South Park woo woo oh I'm sorry did you call him ghost were you projecting your privilege on a marginalized living impaired community yeah that's that's great they're living impaired and then they do like a weird in addition to calling um and then they they they do like a weird uh

in addition to calling his his calling his daughter out they do like a weird i forget exactly what they say about his wife what they're basically like um after they're like after his dumb wife died the dude went crazy yeah guy's wife died and he went nuts yeah what a what a pansy yeah but so and this is when we see that casper could travel all over the world yeah because he he travels over to uh carrigan um the the the evil lady and to her hotel room and uh starts wheeling the tv in front of her so she can see all this so she hires them yeah and then what i what i failed to mention is the reason the only reason he wants the this fan these two people to come it's not because he wants to cross over it's because he's

he he saw christina ricci and he got a fucking ghost boner and he was like i need i need this woman in my life yeah he did get real uh stalkery about yeah it wasn't it was not to it was not to cross over it wasn't to help his uncles it wasn't any noble feat it was ghost boner yeah yeah uh that's a t-shirt right there ghost boner uh the the league episode with the fear boner exactly exactly that's a that's a good one um raffy bomb i've been re-watching the league casper casper's got some i wrote it down in my notes casper i wrote in my notes casper is a thirsty little perf he's got some real raffy vibes in this this movie for sure so he really does he's like a he's like a mixture of Rafi and Taco. With none of the charm.

With none of the charm. So anyways, we get Christina Ricci and Denton from the Newsies. They've been two years, nine different schools, and now they're moving to Friendship, Maine. And I like that she says you're more likely to be a bank hostage than make friends I do want to point out now that we're in wait hold on did you this was really subtle but did you notice in the driving thing that he slammed on the brakes

and turned around because he was going the wrong way from Santa Fe I laughed really hard at that like that was that was really fun yeah yeah because they're going from santa fe to maine and then it yeah it's like los angeles you're fucking slams on the brakes but um while we're in the scene i do want to talk about christina ricci okay because christina ricci is honestly the probably one of the coolest people in the world bees knees the bees knees

she was um because this is this right around here was her heyday as far as um the the kid like kids movies she was in she's obviously still acting and still in a whole bunch of shit but she was in she was wednesday adams like a year or two before this two years or something like that um she's this and casper she was in now and then which is a great fucking movie um but she was uh i just remember like being a kid watching these movies because my my mom was a huge uh fan of now and then i used to watch their movie all the time um and then i watched this movie all the time i was a big adam's family guy i watched that all the time so i just remember christina ricci being cool shit she always had the the coolest clothes like she's got the the dopest like like nowadays would be

like like hipster like 80 hundred dollar sweaters that she's wearing and the cardigans do you remember black snake moan black snake moan she's fantastic and's so good but that movie was fucked up Amazing yeah that movie was Tough but she's great in In literally everything She's been in so many movies And so many TV shows Did you ever watch Pan Am the TV series That was great she was amazing in that

She's just I love Christina Ricci She's amazing Did you ever watch Penelope? That's a very underrated movie where she has a pig nose. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember that. Yeah. Christina Ricci is the best. I love her. Sleepy Hollow with Johnny Depp is a great movie. Spirit Loathing in Las Vegas. And she was another one that like she was like the og you know like goth girl you know for for guys like my age yeah yeah i mean mostly because because of adam's family um yeah but yeah christina richie's christina richie's the best to be fair i will forever think that

incorrectly think that she dated marilyn manson because it was the other person rose mcadam or not mcadams mcgowan um yeah but i i literally even said that when um when we started watching this movie i was like didn't she date marilyn manson and then kelly hit the hit up google and i was incorrect yep so yeah um they oh wait and then when they roll up into friendship and then they meet um dibs and what's her face and they're like grabbing her face and passing her face back and forth aggressively oh my god that was such a beautiful daughter your daughter's so beautiful they just keep like snapping her head back and forth yeah that and then she's like can't you just like spray the ghost away she wants them to be like german x yeah that's good stuff um

well because she's a she's a non-believer at this point. She tells her dad, ghosts don't exist. You're not going to find mom. Give up. But oh, is she proven wrong when they move into the house? She fixes the power, first of all,

in the house, which she's basically a fucking 12-year-old electrician. She fixed it? I thought Bill fixed it. No, she was over there. in the house, which she's basically a fucking 12-year-old electrician. That was impressive. I thought Bill fixed it. She was over there. It seemed like to me that they implied that she was the one that did the fixing. Casper's

nervous, trying to get the confidence to talk to her. She is trying to track down a room. She goes in. First, she opens the door for stretch fast so and stinky this is whipstaff manor and when i say manor i mean manor like it's gigantic fucking house yeah it's like just enormous enormous house and she ends up choosing casper's room um and did you notice that her nickname is bucket

bill pullman called her bucket in this when he's like he called like her nickname is bucket he called at least that's what the subtitle said because kelly and i both were like wait he calls her bucket huh I don't remember that. Yeah, he's like talking to her. And then we get the first meeting with Wendy and Casper. Is her name Wendy in the movie? She's Anna. You're mixing up your Caspers here.

Her name's Casper and Wendy. Yeah, Casper, that's the comics, is Wendy. Oh, damn it. And then there's another movie, Casper and Wendy, starring Hilary Duff. Fun fact. But yeah, but Christina Ricci's character is Cat. Catherine. Oh, that's right. That's right.

That's what I meant. Yeah. Yeah. Because doesn't someone do that? They do it at school. one of the kids yeah yeah i think it's the mean bully girl no oh no yeah you're right it is um but anyways so she meets casper faints casper drinks water and squeezes the water back out through his body onto her face so I had a lot of questions a lot of questions

I know about how about their relationship and their interactions with food worked it did not make any sense to me why would they need food and the food stuff sometimes they're solid sometimes they're not

like like they like they can pick and choose when they can leave but they're but they can't leave like there was a lot of flaws in the entire premise behind everything the scene the scene a little later when they're like eating breakfast and it's just piling up on the floor, I did not care for. Yeah, and then when Casper gets yelled at for cleaning it up. Yeah. I did like when Casper made breakfast for Wendy.

Or not Wendy. A, you're getting her name wrong and then Kerrigan, you keep calling her What's-Her-Face. What's-Her-Name again? Kerrigan. carrigan kathy moriarty you keep calling her what's her face what's her name again carrigan carrigan carrigan yeah see that was a hard name for me to remember even the entirety of the movie i would see the name on the subtitle and i was a hard name for you to remember there's no easy name that's that that's that's an unfair assumption i can sometimes remember to get back to your point when he's cooking her breakfast,

that automatic egg cracker looks fucking cool as shit. Yeah. Oh, it's so cool. Although I will say, do you think he washed his ghost hands or do you think he needed to wash his ghost hands before he used them as utensils? A, there's no way he washes ghost hands. But B, I don't know if he needs to.

Again, because I don't know any of the rules. I don't know how he needs to again because i don't i don't know any of the rules i don't know how it works yeah and and and once again why did his ghost hands become solid enough to be used as a utensil to so that's that's another thing that they i'm assuming they can turn it on and off you know how he can turn his invisibility on and off? I'm assuming he can, like, if he wants to, like, you know, if he wants to grab something, he can grab something. Or if he wants to go, you know, vapor-wise and let something pass through, he can. He can, like, switch it on and off.

I mean, I think we can both agree that they did not clearly establish the parameters of the ghosts and the haunting. And they don't, they don't do any rule explaining, which, you know, leads to a lot of questions and a lot of confusion.

Yeah. It's, you know, where, where are we? But anyways, oh, I also like how Bill Pullman gets introduced to Casper where he,

she's like, no, he's in the closet and he opens up the closet he's like he's not there and he's like and then he flips out and then he starts carrying her down like a sack of potatoes and she's like

why are you freaking out now I don't know I thought all that was pretty good yeah the next morning when that scene is great though when he locks her in the closet and then he has like that was pretty good. Yeah. The next morning when. That scene is great though. When, when he locks her in the closet and then he has like the plunger fight with the ghosts.

Yes. Oh, I love them up. That was amazing. And he, when he duels the brothers and puts them in the bathroom or the vacuum, that was amazing. I also like where Casper said that he's,

he is made of the tingly feeling when your foot falls asleep. What do you think that means? I don't know. It sounds like some 12 year old fucking nonsense. All right. I'm just saying that's felt deep. Sounds like some, some perv shit.

I will have to say the fact that the teacher let the kids just continue to be shitheads to the new student like while she was standing up in front of them in being introduced to the class was insane and he and he calls her he calls her harvey uh harvey cat um and harvey catherine um instead of her real name is catherine harvey and it's like that was that wasn't a mistake dude you've you've looked at that rule sheet you know which which one's the last name which one's the first name you've done this for 30 years bro that wasn't a mistake yeah he's like the teacher is also the bully i didn't like yeah well then and then and then he let he lets him go to a haunted house for the halloween party yeah oh you you live in that huge mansion that's

been condemned yeah they they go a publicly condemned building is hosting a fourth grade dance yeah what the fuck and the the reason they have to do that is because the gym has asbestos in it. Yeah. This is the Wayne Middle School getting shut down from all the bat droppings and it poisoning everyone. This is classic Maine. That's what this is. Get your shit together, Maine. Did you guys have – we had to go to school in modulars because that's what they called them.

They called them modulars because that's what they called them they called them we had uh my elementary school we had we had like six modulars that were there um like the entire time and they were just extra overflow yeah just extra extra rooms ours weren't for overflow ours because i were because the building was condemned because everyone and like people were getting sick like i used to like there was a certain classroom that as soon as I walked in, I would get a headache instantly. Because of all the bat feces. Like they had to have a certain filter. Yeah.

I spent the first half of my second grade, I was in a modular, our class was in the modular. And then this was when, I think I've told the story, this is when my mom picked a fight with my second grade teacher and they switched me to a different class it's weird too that we all like i always had this conversation at work modulars to go to school and that's the weirdest fucking like similar experience that we've all had like that is such a condemnation on the school system that every kid in America has been to school in a trailer park.

More. Yes. The one, the one by my house right now, I drive by, they still, they're still rocking modulars too. They got like three or four.

Oh my God. Just. Thanks. Anyways, let's get, let's, let's not, let's,

let's say the whole different conspiracy theory rabbit hole to fall down. Let's get back because... Oh my god. The classroom scene is where we meet Guy or Vic. You know? And his little

love affair girl. Amber? Her name's Amber, right? Yeah, boy. She's just the worst kind of partner that is She's a real mean girl. That's what she is. Yeah, she's a real

Amber is the character's name. Her Where'd she go? Jessica Wesson is the actress who plays her. Any Boy Meets World fans will know her as wendy from i think it was either season two or season three cory dates her for a little bit um and she's like she like takes it super seriously it's like planning planning a wedding and cory freaks out yeah classic cory classic and then then he does then he does what he's what he did

to every other girl besides topanga he fucking breaks her heart and leaves her leaves her body in his wake yeah yeah cory matthews was a real was a real womanizer if you weren't named topanga lawrence and you were flirting with cory matthews you were getting your heart broken and broken and viciously yeah well that's that's young love brandon but she was also she also played uh jennifer in home improvement any home improvement fans both great shows both classics tgif but i that was she was one of those people where i saw her uh and immediately i was like i know that girl who the fuck is that and you know it turns out wendy from boy meets world um but yeah so first day of school oh wait hold on well it's not the first not the first day her first day of school her first day of school we're in october i believe

because they're doing the halloween dance right yeah yeah and i have to i do have to say it was hilarious that casper ran around, tied all the kids shoes together. And so the whole entire class at once fell down when the bell rang, that was really good stuff. That was really good stuff. But Casper, a real fucking menace to society.

And you know, why he's a menace is because he pretends to be the friendly ghost, but he's actually, well, you can, there's the reaction where she, she, she's introducing herself

to the class and she says we just moved here we were in whipstaff manor and the whole class like hushes they're like oh fuck and she goes oh you guys know about it so yeah obviously casper and his his crazy uncles are a real menace to not not just in the manor but the whole town it sounds like yeah they're out there fucking shit up what i did love was right after school where the uncles were playing uh doing some skeet shooting with uh all of his awards and stuff yeah oh that was really good um and then um and they tell him that they know his wife that's where the uncles start to manipulate the dad um and then we get a house call from vick where he asked christina ricci to go to the party with him she says yes casper is jelly toast um but then we realize that

the mean girl was behind vix asking to dance all along she's real she's got a plan she's got some up her sleeve here yep real something up her sleeve yeah but then the next kind of my notes really fall off after this brandon because this is where it starts to go off the rails. Because Cat then has all the toys set up for Casper. And Casper starts to remember his past life where his inventor dad. And he got like the sled as a toy. But he loved it so much. We go up to the attic.

He got sick. Yeah, we go up to the attic. He gives this whole story about uh that doesn't check out i was so i i wouldn't do a real rabbit hole with this because when they were looking over so he starts remembering a little bit the sled starts jogging his memory they find some newspaper articles about his dad um at the time um and it's um it's like it's a it's a it's real old it's real old. It looks Victorian age-ish. If I had to guess, Casper died between like – Casper died around the Newsies time. Yeah, I was going to say between 1890 and 1910.

Somewhere in there if I had to guess. And it says – so he says something – he says some crazy thing where he wanted the sled. His dad wouldn't get him the sled because he thought he was going to get hurt. Then he finally gets in the sled. He takes the sled out and starts having fun and then just never comes back for a while. It sounded like he got lost, got cold, caught pneumonia. They found him. They brought him home, and then he dies.

Dies of pneumonia at 11, is what the news article said. And then after he dies, he's like, I didn't want to move on, so I decided I'm going to haunt my dad until he goes insane. His dad was so sad and he felt bad that he

went back to keep his dad company. Little did he know, he haunts his dad until he goes insane little did he know he was actually haunting his dad driving him crazy and it pushed his dad to create a machine to bring his son back to life so he'd quit fucking haunting him already yeah his dad built a zombie machine so i went into a real deep because this this story and the lazarus machine this this story and these nude article these articles did not add up to me so i got into a real deep uh rabbit hole and none of this is substantiated it's all conjecture it's all theories

but there's a strong reddit contingent that now includes myself that believes that Casper's dad killed him. If not on purpose, at least on accident, and that's why he felt so bad. Like you think his dad just like pushed him out the door on a sled and had him go freeze to death? Well, if you take casper's story at face value his dad is at least guilty of negligence but it mentions so the reason why they think he killed his he killed his they killed casper the or was at least indirectly indirectly responsible for it is because in the articles it mentions that he was legally insane right and the only way you can get that diagnosis or that claim of legally insane is if you are charged

with manslaughter murder or something along those lines. And you, your defense is to claim legal insanity. That's the only way you get that. That's not like a diagnosis that a psychiatrist hands out. And that's why he's so desperate to bring his son back because he accidentally killed him. Yeah. That checks.

Yeah. Damn. Alright, well. That's even more sad. Yeah uh and then there's a deleted scene um i i got into this too there's a deleted scene that's not in the movie where um the uncles are in the attic and it's like a newspaper article about them about how they died um because of i i believe it was because of one of the dad's inventions. So that's why. That's why they haunt the house.

One of the machines exploded or something like that. So that's how they're there. They died. And why they're so mean to Casper, because you're like, your fucking dad killed us, you son of a bitch. Yeah. And you're out here being nice. And that idiot killed you, too. Yeah.

Oh, geez. And this is where it goes beyond off the rails because Dibs and Katarina, they carry it. I always think you're like doing that as a bit and then

I see the look on your face, and you're 100% sincere. God. Kerrigan. I almost said cardigan. Oh, boy. That's going to be the next thing. God.

All right. So I'm just not going to say her name anymore. But she and Dibs sneak and follow casper and um cat and i am on the cusp of calling her fucking wendy every time i say her name i'm just gonna let you know that but they follow them down and casper is gearing up to go into the Lazarus Pit is the pit in the DC universe that Ra's al Ghul goes in there to bring

people back to life. Yeah, well, because Lazarus is a biblical character, character from the Bible that comes back to life. That's why all that shit's named Lazarus. There you go. But yeah, Lazarus Project is a movie, though,

about a guy who comes back to life, and it just, let me tell you, it just not goes planned. Never goes well. Have you ever seen Pet Sematary? Oh, dude. I need to watch the new one. I haven't seen the remake yet.

But I don't like to. But anyways, so Dib steals the little gunk that's like life essence that will bring it's the chemical needed to run the machine yeah yeah to to bring them back into a body um and meanwhile uh her dad is out getting shit-faced and doing karaoke with the uncles yeah well so all this is happening well he's out of the house because they are manipulating him and saying that they know his dead wife well so to to explain everybody's motivations here a little bit more if you haven't seen the movie so kerrigan and dibs the reason they hired that uh pullman and and and his his loner daughter was to get the ghosts to either pass on or to get them out of the house

somehow so that way they could go to the house and get the treasure right the treasure we were talking about and so bill pullman bill pullman is manipulating the ghosts a little bit and the ghosts are hardcore manipulating him because they're telling him we can connect you with your wife well you know and that's his whole mission in life that's why he's talking to ghosts he needs to get to his wife yeah and but but he is manipulating them a little bit to get them out of the house that's why they go to like the karaoke fucking karaoke bar um and they start getting all shit-faced um and then and then that's when dibs and kerriganan sneak back into the house and are trying to find the treasure. They find the chemical thing and this crazy zombie machine.

Yeah, and there's just so much going on right now. We have with Karaoke where he gets super shit-faced. He's death by karaoke. He falls into a hole and he dies and that whole scene where they were gonna kill him the karaoke it was all insane it was all insane that's right i forget they were gonna kill him and then he just happened to fall in a hole yeah and die and though well and like and while all this is going on because they're. Because they're doing construction. They're doing construction of a massive hole. Right outside the karaoke bar door.

Yeah. That's how construction works. And while this is going on. Dibs and. They're fighting. Well. What's her name again? Kerrigan.

So they have the. They have the chemical. And they find a chest, right? Which they're pretty sure is the treasure. So they start fighting with each other, fighting over the treasure, fighting over the chemical or whatever. It leads to Kerrigan trying to run Dibs over with a car. Yeah, she wants to kill Dibs so that he can... To test the machine. Yeah.

To kill Dibs to test the machine. So she tries to run him over with a car. And he dodges it. It hits her windshield so she can't see. It's a broken windshield. She ends up driving semi off a cliff, not realizing it, and then opens the door and falls off the cliff it is hits the tree so the car stops perfectly so that the back end of the car is still on land but the

driver's side door when opened up and stepped out of she falls off the cliff and i forgot that that part happened so as that was unfolding nonchalantly it was the most insane shit ever like how they like all of a sudden everyone is trying to kill each other and and everyone is falling to their death yeah everybody's everybody's trying to kill each each other and in the in the midst of the chaos end up just falling and killing themselves it's the most absurd shit in the entire world the best thing the best fucking midst of the chaos end up just falling and killing themselves it's the most absurd in the entire world the best thing the best part of the best scene in the whole movie though is so after she dies right she comes back as a ghost dibs is like he's standing at the machine

he's like i have your i have the chemicals we can try it with you and she starts screaming at him and belittling him and then he called he calls her a bitch and then she fucking kills him yeah she like kicks him out the window or some shit yeah yeah it's she turns into a shoe and when he when he called her a bitch dude i lost it i was like i completely forgot about that oh my god and then and then her dad comes back with the uncles not as her dad but as the shit-faced buffoon he's still drunk he died ass yeah and she has to like convince him to remember who he is just a memory with a pinky promise yeah and then that sick son of a bitch steals fucking casper's goo juice that's true so so the reason we were booting the machine up

finding the chemicals is we were going to turn casper into a human yeah that way that way he could get his little pervy hands on christina you can hook up with yeah you can finally hook up with this girl that he lured to his home but then once once her dad dies, her and Casper look at each other and are like, we need to use this on my dad instead of you. You fucking 130-year-old pervert. And then in the most fucking absurd shit that happened in the whole movie, the mom comes back as an angel. And unlike ghosts, angels keep their human form i don't think she i don't think she was an angel that's what they said she was but then no no he

asks her if she's an angel she doesn't answer um then why does her ghost because she's a person because she's she's crossed over that's what i took it from is if you if you're not crossed over and you're still in the you know the human dimension you look like a freaking freak um okay but then if you cross over then you look like yourself okay all right that that makes sense yeah i can that's what that's what i took from it because it's either that or it's the angel thing she's an angel so she looks like herself but she's she he he asks her and she doesn't answer so i i assume she's not really an angel um well either way and then she turns him into a real boy for the night like pinocchio oh i do want to i do a 10 p.m curfew jesus 10 p.m curfewew. Jesus. 10 p.m. curfew, yeah. What does he say?

Give him two extra hours of being a boy. Doesn't he say even Cinderella got midnight or something like that? Yeah, exactly. But we skipped over one thing, which was the treasure, the chest. After they open it up, and the treasure is – I love this. The treasure is a Duke Snyder signed baseball. I did some research. Would you like to know how much a Duke Snyder signed baseball is worth?

No. $50. You can get a Duke Snyder autographed signed baseball on eBay right now, $50 plus shipping. It's a real treasure. Well, that was the whole point of it. It was because the secret message treasure note obviously was written by Casper.

And so it's his treasure, not an actual treasure. Yeah, treasure is what you make it, Brandon. Exactly. I treasure all my things but uh yeah and then and then Casper comes to real life as a boy though Brandon

and he turns into the love interest of Icebox from Little Giants which is another cinematic classic from my childhood that I owned on VHS and it's so fucking good he turns into uh to devin sawa is the actor who portrays um human human casper he's not the voice the voice is a different person yep uh he's the he's the real boy cow

he's the pinocchio casper exactly but yeah like you mentioned he's uh uh i forget what his name is in little giants but he's icebox's love interest he's throwing the toilet paper in the grocery store yeah and then and then uh i recognized him from final destination it was a great great scary movie uh that sure changed the way well final destination 2 sure changed the way you follow those fucking log trucks have you ever been behind one of those log trucks after that not anymore dude oh boy those movies yeah i i don't like the first one had some crazy ones too i don't go near train tracks that's for sure yeah dude the first move oh those movies are so good those were those are definitely on the regular rotation of middle school movie parties. Yeah, but he was in that.

He was also in another movie with Christina Ricci that I mentioned before, Now and Then. Great movie. He plays Christina Ricci's love interest in that. Devin Soule, he's a boss. He's great. He's a great kid actor. He was fantastic in Final Destination, and he's still crushing it all these days later. There you go.

But yeah, Casper finally gets his pervy little hands on Christina Ricci. Do they kiss? I forget if they kiss. I think they do. I think they do. Yeah. And then in the midst of all that, the mean girl and Guy, their,

their plan to come out as ghosts, come out as ghosts and ruin the party. They get spooked by the actual ghost, the uncles and run away in, in dismay. Yeah. And everyone cheers. Everybody, everybody, everybody, and everyone cheers. Everybody.

Everybody cheers. Even the teacher. Inappropriate again. That guy sucks. That guy needs to get fucking fired. He should not be teaching children. He needs to take a look in the mirror and address his professionalism

pretty hard. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack with that guy and why he's bullying children and what's going on in his personal life. Yeah, but but that that's the end. So Kerrigan dibs dead. Oh, well, Kerrigan, they convince her. They trick her into saying that she's passing on.

Yeah, yeah. Which honestly, like, I like that that's her like villain demise is that she gets to go to heaven like sucks for you it's flawed to say the least but yeah she dies everyone

honestly I didn't think she was that terrible of a person either I may have been blinded by my love for Kathy Boreardi, but honestly I was rooting for her the whole time. You would. You would. What's your cakey rating?

Well, here. You want fun facts? I got some fun facts. Fun facts first. This might change my cakey rating. So, fun facts. No sequels. They talked about doing a sequel but both bill pullman and christina ritchie were like no i don't want to do that so instead they made two prequels one starring hillary duff casper and wendy kelly loves that one she talks about all the time i

don't think you can watch it anywhere i think i may have been forced to watch it once maybe i don't know i don't know but uh i've watched it once it's okay it's a you know it's a nonsensical um kid movie but there's another one um i forget what the title is it's like scared beginnings casper scared beginning something like that but guess who does one of the ghost voice in that movie who your boy paulie shore oh nice i that movie auto played after this one i did it on peacock yeah um so that's that's a little fun fact another fun fact is um because there's so much cgi used for the ghosts in this movie that um when christina ricci and bill pullman are acting opposite of the ghosts um they're talking to tennis balls on a stick instead of uh instead of actual ghosts you know nice that's usually when i do my best work i was gonna say

like this there's some like instances of especially nowadays with all the CGI used, where it's like the people that are able to pull off acting against just nothing but green screen and fucking tennis balls. God bless you. That takes some serious skill. Have you heard the horror stories and seen the horror clips of of when michael jordan was filming space jam and it's just him in a gigantic green room with tiny little people dressed in all green and he's like trying because it's like him talking to the the looney t-shirts and it just it's like i guarantee you that motherfucker like he has to have nightmares about just talking to green green nonsense people because that would it just you can find clips of it on YouTube where it's just

like him like running around a green room and like acting to himself and it's like it looks like a goddamn nightmare no wonder it felt so weird yeah no wonder he was a terrible actor he's talking to nobody yeah yikes yeah um but yeah some tennis ball things and then another one uh Christina Ricci is um famously opposed to this movie um she has multiple quotes talking about how terrible it is uh I pulled one of them that was my favorite she goes um looking back that movie sucked it made no sense I'm supposed to fall in love with a ghost? How does that work? He's a cartoon.

I agree with her entire feedback. That's why she's one of the coolest people in the world. She gets it. She gets it. And if you can look, I would feel like I would do the same thing. If I'm a child actor and I'm in a movie and it's sex, yeah, that movie kind of sex, but if you like it,

fuck yeah, dude, like right on. You're the shit. Go buy some more copies so I can make money. Exactly. And boy, did this movie make money?

So budget was $55 million worldwide. Gross. 287 million. I mean, I remember watching this movie. Like I remember being right. I think literally there was like, we had like some family reunion thing and they put all the kids in a back room and played this fucking movie for us. Yeah.

Yeah. I watched this movie so many times. I had it on VHS. It was on ABC Family every Halloween. That's why Kelly watched it. And it still is. I guarantee you, even when it's not Halloween, it pops up. Yeah, freeform now.

The artist formerly known as ABC. Yeah, but do you have a guess at Rotten Tomatoes scores here? What do you think the critics give this? Rotten Tomatoes, 40%, 30%. I mean, you're not that far off. Critic score, 51%. Oh. Audience score, 49%. 30 well i mean you're not that far off critic score 51 oh audience score 49 wow okay about 50 approval rating right down the middle yep you're there you love it as a kid you hate it as an adult good old americana right down the middle yeah well that's the you know like i said

you love it as a kid you you hate it as an adult. I didn't hate it. I definitely didn't like it. But I didn't hate it. You know. I've seen worse. So, Kiki rating, Heath, what are you giving this? This ghostly ghoul of a story.

Jesus. You're going to be surprised on the scare factor 1 to 10 how scared were you honestly probably an 8 this movie was terrifying but this is going to surprise you Brandon I

remember this movie being better than it was because I haven't watched it for a really long time I watched it with Kelly she completely checked out halfway through the movie. Started playing games on her phone. I checked out I checked out once they started fiddling around

with the machines after the news articles. You know what brought me back in though was when he called her a bitch. I was like, okay, I'm back in. That's it. The Lazarus machine to bring Casper back to life when they went down that is my last note in the movie then it's the last because i was just so absolutely out of it so i'm gonna go 2.65 damn okay 2.65 yeah it's a good kids movie, but it does not hold up, and it is not super rewatchable as a kids movie either.

Yep. So 2.65, that's... You're getting stingier. You're getting stingier in your old age here, Heath. Especially coming off newsies and goofy movies where you were handing out fives. Newsies and a goofy movie are cinematic masterpieces uh 265 is good that's real close to what i had i did i did a 25 yeah it's again americana right down the middle 50 some of the movie was good some of it it just it fell so far off the cliff towards the end

like it was it was literally kerrigan there you go it was nailed it crushed it it was carry when when kerrigan fell out of the car off the cliff that was when the movie did the exact same thing yeah yeah that was it there there's there's definitely some good good uh spots there's some funny one-liners that the news clip where they're just fucking laying into christina ricci calling her a loner was great his loner daughter that was insane dyslexic dalmatian foundation that was good um yeah it was all pretty solid again casper's whole death thing where i'm pretty sure his dad was at least indirectly responsible for his murder really threw me off um casper being a giant fucking perv really threw me off yeah that will happen yeah it just it was i like i said this is just one of those movies where i

could have sworn it was good as a kid but and it went and it felt good watching it as a kid but now it's like yikes this movie kind of sucks yeah this is not great um right down the middle 50 2.5 for me um if i'm a parent with a kid i'm watching it during halloween but if i'm forced to just select something to watch on my own probably not gonna hit the rotation it's no great pumpkin charlie brown i can tell you yeah or hocus pocus it's either there's oh there's much better let's walk before we run hocus pocus is stuff of legend do you think there's any ducks in hocus Pocus? I would love to do that. But yeah, so this is your Halloween episodes.

Again, this is as scary as Heath would let us get. Yep. And already I'm fucking spooked. It is spooky season. This is my favorite time of the year. I'm probably going to be sleeping with one eye open. Might even be gripping my pillow tight. You know who needs to get good at college football again, Brandon?

I was thinking this just this morning before we recorded. Virginia Tech. Because that entrance into the stadium is so cool and it's so fun. And they just haven't been good. It's just like no what's Thanks for listening, everyone. Please remember to follow and like us on Instagram at TheCakeEatersPod, on Twitter at TheCakeEaters. Also reach out to us via email, TheCakeeaterspod at gmail.com or visit our website