The Cake Eaters - 72. Turburlence

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

On today's episode, Heath and Brandon begin the holiday season by talking through the 1997 classic Turbulence! The boys discuss how this was the most rented home video of 1997, the absurdness of these massive commercial planes, 7th Heaven being absolutely unhinged, the softness of belly tissue, Brendan Gleeson's accent, what not to do in the event of a hi-jacking, and Ray Liotta's magical performance. Follow us at www.thecakeaterspod.com and on Twitter (@thecakeeaters) and Instagram (@thecakeeaterspod) Email us at [e-mail]

it's not worth winning if you can't win this is it this is it this is why we do this podcast so to watch movies like this to come across fantastic movies that we we would otherwise never have ever approached and of course today i'm talking about the 1997 instant classic what'd you say it was heath it's the the most rented movie of 1997. you got it the most rented home video of 97. blockbuster blockbuster owes all of its success and none of its failures to this movie to this specific movie this is this is Cinema Heath this is Cinema you know honestly though like the whole time I was watching this movie brandon i was like i i was like man am i just being the am i officially hitting old curmudgeon of my life

or it's like they just don't fucking make movies like this anymore that's all i can think of they just don't make movies like this anymore all these new movies suck i'm like not paying attention halfway through but man because this was raw they have ray leota in his prime just peak of his powers making this shit move the the cast was phenomenal the mom i didn't seventh heaven was just she was in there killing it oh my god i didn't check and i should have checked before if this won any awards but if ray leota didn't win an oscar for this movie we need to burn the academy to the ground oh my god and um the fbi agent he was uh he's like the secret service guy from uh princess diaries right is that the guy from the princess diaries

i think so you're talking about the the last um who's hector oh no yeah yeah aldo uh yeah aldo hector's his real name though yes now and now i remember you're talking about yeah he's yeah princess diaries he's the like her security guard her right hand man he's the her fixer yeah princess diaries um so i got i got four award nominations real quick for you brandon and then and then we can And then we can dig into why we're breaking down this fantastic. It's super underrated. I'm all the way in on anything modern day. I'm out. Anything from the 90s, I don't give a shit what the rating is, all the way in.

I will die for this movie. So we have four award nominations. have the alma awards uh this one for hector elizondo um for outstanding individual performance in a crossover role in a feature film wait cross crossover role that's what it says outstanding individual performance in a crossover role in a feature film i don't know what that means but okay no dude so lauren holly is actually gonna take some lumps because these next awards are not the good ones razzy awards 1998 worst actress lauren holly for this movie terry yeah for terry's i mean granted there was a point in the movie where she just like run plain scared and just like sits down and buckles up for a few minutes then it's

like all right cool better get back up start fucking running around scared um and then there were there were a couple points in this movie where i was like they should like what are we doing casey conway should be the lead girl here you know let's or or the the like trio like him stalking the trio of stewardesses and slowly taking them out and leaving the last one i think that maybe makes a little more sense than just the i don don't know, it just yeah, there were some holes in this movie. It was still great, dude. Lauren's performance wasn't the best,

but she definitely didn't deserve a Razzie. I guarantee you there were worse performances than this. It was shared with someone from A Smile Like Yours, but they also got a Razzie Award nominee for Worst Reckless Disregard for Human Life in Public Property. smile like yours um but they also got a razzy award nominee for worst reckless disregard for human life and public property what are the razzy awards dude i just maybe i don't understand i just

thought they voted on who's stuck they didn't really other than the plane they didn't destroy any property you know they didn't like run into buildings or anything no no they didn't have a very general disregard for human life so like people were just everyone there's only 10 people on the plane though that's true but uh they did they did they do take out the the jeep at the end with the with the landing gear let's my i put that down. Them shooting the fucking truck off the tire and doing no other damage. But then the last award nominee, it was Lauren Holly again, worst actress for the Stinkers Bad Movie Awards. Okay. But this was highly panned and considered a box office flop. And then once again, there's so many of these

movies like this that just don't happen anymore with streaming where then they come out and you rent it and then everyone's like dude have you watched this movie it's crazy like this go give it a shot ray leota's nuts and you're having slumber parties in the basement and this is first up on the road you know you get two or three movies right and you're having slumber parties in the basement. And this is first up on the road. You know, you get two or three movies, right? And you're having a sleepover. And it's like, dude, Ray Liotta, let's go. This is a, it's, when you said it was the most rented movie in 1997, it made perfect sense. Because I wrote in my notes, this is the perfect, like, 90s TV movie.

This is the perfect like 90s tv movie this is the movie it's like a it's a snow day like a thursday snow day at like 11 a.m you turn on tbs and this is playing and you're like dude i'm gonna have a good fucking day it's like con air on tnt you know it's like oh con air no i'll be mad at this yeah you know oh man so anyways um but those were the awards but brandon tell everyone why we're even talking about this movie because it's it's fantastic it's a great reason for it she's not super like prevalent and no she disappears like halfway through when they lock her in the closet um that's great with everybody they locked so many people in that closet and they're like he's like just fucking fair i couldn't tell if it was like a closet or if it was like a i it was like a secondary room or something the plane's so goddamn big okay so the plane is so big that that was the um the stewardess's quarters that was like

the flight attendant quarters they said okay so it was i imagine there's like a bed back there or something it's like a couple bunks there There's probably like two bunks, especially for long-haul trips like that. Yeah. You know, New York to L.A. You know. Okay, that makes more sense then. But so the reason we're doing this movie is because Heidi Kling, who famously plays Casey Conway, Charlie's mom, is in this movie. She plays one of the stewardess

betty um and like yeah like we said she she kind of we we lose her halfway through when she gets locked in the the quarters but she crushes she crushes the the rest of her the small time she has in this movie she crushes when she's talking about more when she's talking about how she she's she used to date criminals all the time and people rolling back the odometer yeah yeah and she was like oh you're dude just go bang that serial killer i thought that was wild it was like it's it's that you know like and maybe that's why she got nominated for so many worst actor performances like man she was all it's like dude this guy's a serial killer let's get some yeah well i can change him brandon terry terry was all in granted she was in a very vulnerable spot she just got her uh engagement called off yeah you know she wasn't in the right headspace some you know good looking uh italian

man starts flirting with you even though he's may or may not be a serial killer you know innocent to until proven guilty um and we because well we also need to talk about the shoddy policeman work where motherfuckers they couldn't get him well they couldn't get him convicted without framing him and so i mean granted it was probably a good move to get him off the streets because he was okay well that's if we're that's if that's if we're trusting that this detective is right you know it's when we figure out that he's right in the end because he but yeah like ray liotta admits it he's like it started with squirrels and then cats and now it's women and then he just we find out at the we find out that yes ray liotta is in fact a serial killer

but it is through no no part no police work zero police work is zero good police work is done to get to that conclusion it was just because he happened to have a mental fucking breakdown in the plane yeah and well and he but he even said it like he was like you know the only way you catch me was by cheating exactly see i'm so as i don't say it out loud don't say that you are on this he was slowly choked the life out of maggie aka mom from seventh heaven and he was going to do the exact same thing it's like you made me mad and now i have to go take it out on terry yeah and now she's gonna die i thought it was he was gonna get much more sadistic like put when he turned on it's a wonderful life like i thought he was really gonna like get out but anyways yeah he started getting real creepy with

with yeah it's a wonderful life oh man that started i mean he got real creepy with the drink conversation like how did she find that seductive oh dude i have no no dude i have that in my notes i have uh where is it oh i heard my notes doing the whole i'll have what you have i'll have whatever you like i'll have what you recommend that's a that's an a-plus move dude that's a fucking that's a baller move that's that's smooth what's your favorite yeah what's what's your favorite drink she's all you should have the turkey by the way i'm a vegetarian fucking dick that's good that's good that's a good pickup line at the bar Right like oh what's your favorite drink Dude I do that with Hot bartenders

You know and it's like It's a 45% success rate Which for me That's like that's hall of fame numbers You know I mean if you Retire from the MLB With

That hitting percentage, Hall of Fame. Yeah. That's Hall of Fame hitting percentage. Eat shit, Ted Williams. I was expecting a much higher number when you were talking about that, so it kind of caught me off guard when you were like, it's like 45. I don't know if you could tell from the pause I put put in there i was trying to think of the most hilarious number that

i could i was like what would be the funniest number to throw out here 45 45 was solid 45 was okay all right so let's let's go back to the movie i do want to call out that like some some christmas movie shenanigans that have oh that's true that's the other reason we're doing the movie right now is it's christmas themed they're they're flying through christmas um so this is the same that's it it it's not a christmas movie brandon like this is this is the die hard argument all over again it's not a christmas movie just because like it doesn't go back to the christmassy stuff like at all just like how die hard there's christmas movie just because like it doesn't go back to the christmassy stuff like at all just like how diehard there's christmas lights in every fucking shot oh my god they talk about it's a wonderful life and they play it's a wonderful life i know but so you would consider

this a christmas movie there's not too much action or drama as a hallmark movie purist you can have an action christmas movie look at um look at uh what's that turbo man what's that movie that's arnold and jim all the way yeah dude arnold and simbad in their prime so i i i would agree with you. This is not a Christmas movie. This is a movie that takes place during Christmas, same as Die Hard. It's a movie that takes place during Christmas. Gremlins is the same thing, right? Gremlins feels like a Halloween movie, but it takes place during Christmas. So you can have any genre of movie also be a Christmas movie.

The key to it being a christmas movie is that christmas has to be central to the plot you know yeah like this in this movie you take the christmas lights out and it you know nothing nothing misses it's the same exact movie it just yeah so it's not a christmas movie it just takes place during christmas time speaking of christmas movies i got a sidebar it this just for five seconds. We didn't get a chance to watch it because we ran out of time, but there is a new Hallmark Christmas movie

called Checking It Twice, I think, and it's a hockey themed Hallmark Christmas movie. So we got to figure out, it's Checking Something and Mama D recorded it on the DVRr but we just we ran out of time but that one is it potentially be going i believe it's hallmark it was um we recorded

the premiere i think got it on the google machine here yeah but yeah that's dude that one starring kim matula and Kevin McGarry. Yeah. And it's like a hockey player. Oh, it's playing tomorrow. Well, not when this movie releases, but when we're recording this, it's playing tomorrow at 4 p.m. 3 Central. Nice.

You know, I don't think I'll be able to do it. We're going to meet Kelly's dad and brother for the football game. Interesting. going to to meet kelly's dad and brother for the football game interesting a journeyman hockey player falls for the real estate agent in a career crisis when he's traded to her hometown and moves into the cottage in her hockey loving family's backyard yes yes all the way in dude that's minor leagues that's how it works. They get host families. Yeah. Did some of the host families for the Kannapolis Intimidators? Real fucking weirdos.

Like, I felt real bad for those kids that were like 18, you know. I say to set the scene for everybody that hasn't watched it, and I don't know why. If you haven't watched it go fucking watch it you're a goddamn idiot yeah it's on it's for free you can watch it for free it's on pluto tv on demand 30 baby uh just type in uh turbulence comes right up uh make sure it's the ray leota one because there's a there's a another movie called turbulence that's on pluto um that is not the same but yeah get this ray leota one because it was it was good i really honestly i i so shout out to the haters uh everybody who says i don't like anything and all i do is complain about these movies i love this movie this movie

is this is this is right this is my kind of movie this is right up my alley this is everything i want in a movie and i loved it i loved every serial killers and destruction i loved every single goddamn second of it so so ray leota is a serial killer or a suspected serial killer at the beginning of this movie um the escaped custody we find that out later but he is in New York right now because he escaped custody in California yes and he is being pursued as he is going to buy a teddy in a store by some police Teddy bear not lingerie is there a teddy lingerie dude I'm an idiot i'm sorry this is why you don't have a 45 percent success rate you don't even know what i mean honestly i have no game brandon that's it

that's a fact jack i never have like you would think that i like you would think oh he can talk to a lot of people there's got to be some game there no it stops as soon as it's like it's like oh my god is she she is this is this interest and then full panic and then it all falls apart and there's no smoothness so unless unless the girl enjoys like me saying the wrong thing endlessly at the wrong time then it's not going to work i i'm able to talk to anybody and everybody i just have no closing ability because i'm not good at sales i automatic i will automatically and always assume not interested yeah i i assume everybody i assume everybody hates me at all times until you until you specifically and repeatedly tell

me otherwise um and so i just sending signals brandon that doesn't make sense that to me like you either have to like you got to be up front hit me in the fucking face with it otherwise i'm gonna say you hate me uh because that's just yeah that's the story of my life and it's just like like i automatically friend zoned myself it's like oh yeah i don't even try to close because i just assume it's an automatic no yeah it's like hey hey let's let's pump the brakes here i'm gonna tuck myself away in this friend zone where i belong you can you can go you can go talk to other guys all right so um the police are are stalking this guy and um we're doing a sting operation which we got a sting but they so what

they did a sting so i got a question for you so they do the sting they they bust in after he comes first murder next i like that one but uh they bust in did the lady was the lady a part of she had no idea what was going on right no she was not a part of it no no and and that was my favorite because they just grab her and are like get the fuck out of here and she's like it's her own house teddy bear and it's her own house it's my house about to get you know about to throw down with this smoking hot dude just gave me a teddy bear and i got the cops bum rushing me and dragging me out of my own fucking house and then they start kicking ray leona oh my god yeah the actor guy just starts kicking the shit i'm ever it's like what the fuck dude yeah

yeah that's why that's why they don't put him on the plane i love that part too when he walks into the jail cell and he's like so i'm going to la uh right now you're going tomorrow and really it was like oh they wouldn't put you on the plane with me because you're a fucking psychopath huh because you you would fucking beat me up beat me up on the plane and no one's oh my god and wait hold on i think i missed this part because i might have just been grabbing a bev or something like you know i was having to crack and open a wild cherry pepsi for this watch a lot of brandon dude i haven't had a cherry pepsi in ages dude i had i was back in my parents and i had a wild cherry pepsi i'm i'm all the way back in like i don't even like you know soda pops that much but my god you dangle wild cherry Pepsi in front of me. 20 out of 20. It's my new crack.

Anyways, when Terry gets the package in the mail, right? Like she gets a package delivered from the door guy in the mail and it's the ring. Is it a ring getting sent back? Yeah. So she got engaged, right? I i mean we don't see any of this we get a little bit of backstory when she goes on the plane and seventh heaven starts grilling her yeah um but she was engaged um wait now now now that you bring it up this doesn't make any sense now that i'm thinking about it because he sent the ring back to her and i was like did he ask her to marry him was it the

man no no no it was it was for sure him ending things but it doesn't make sense for him to send she would get yeah she would give him back the ring unless what unless was it was it his wedding ring or was it like a diamond ring it's like a diamond ring i thought okay yeah now this doesn't make any sense now that i'm thinking about it yeah that's it there was a plot like we can skip past it but it it made perfect sense in my mind watching it i was like oh yeah wedding's off it's over and then now that now that you brought it up i'm like wait that's that's crazy i've got all kinds of notes of confusion of like where like because like back like when they're on the plane i i like positively i was like wait wait a second didn't she get a fucking ring in the mail

like yeah and but it was it was for sure like i was trying to piece why in the world she got the ring in the mail i was like did it doesn't make any sense because he proposed through the mail because like i would end it then too i was I bore witness to a pretty rough engagement one time, and I still have nightmares about it. It just gives me anxiety dreams, dude. But it was for sure him ending things because you had the – they were supposed to meet up that night, and he bailed and just gave and you could tell based on her reaction and the doorman's reaction that it was yeah like we're ending things like it's over um and then when she she goes into the the plane and starts talking the seventh heaven um and that's where we get introduced to casey conway because she shows her her hand which doesn't have the ring on it but

she got sent a ring yeah now now it doesn't make any fucking sense but yeah she shows through the her she shows seventh heaven the hand that doesn't have a ring um meaning she's not engaged anymore or uh and then seventh heaven uh apparently is was very judgmental to her before um but yeah yeah dude i had to rewind the movie because i got so lost in this sauce of not understanding what was happening and i had the opposite very branded in that moment because i was like i don't understand what's happening with this blonde girl and her goddamn boyfriend see i had the opposite reaction they fooled me because i was watching it i was like this makes total fucking perfect sense obviously the engagement's over and now that i'm thinking about it i'm like what what happened what about that moment indicate i was like i thought the

blonde girl was the one that ray leota was gonna go kill well that's that's what they were they made it that's what they set it up they're setting it up because uh because they're alluding to what's gonna happen because what's he said blonde hair, short, first to the teddy, then to the kill. He describes his like – what's it called? You know what I'm talking about? His M.O. His M.O. is like his – His modus operandi.

His type, the type of lady that he likes to murder. He describes it, and he describes – the detective describes Terry to a T. modus operandi this is his type the type of the type of lady that he likes to murder he described it and he described the detective describes terry to a t yeah um and so that's why when he gets on the plane and he sees terry really it's like uh i gotta murder this bitch dude and he did not like like seventh heaven girl rubbed him the wrong way as soon as he saw her too he said i mean i got that seventh heaven girl you could tell she was very judgmental um when she switched her sections her character in seventh heaven is fucking bonkers i don't know the last time you've watched seventh heaven that show is fucking crazy well no the the last time i i guess i technically like quote unquote watched it was when someone just sent me the reel

of her talking to her husband she's like i have smoked pot yeah if you were go back and like watch like an episode of seventh heaven it is it is unhinged like christian propaganda love it sprinkled sprinkled with incest with with the sisters and the older brother they're always trying to fuck each other which is very weird and very uncomfortable i just remember what like watching it because like when it first came out it was like primetime he takes it he takes it to prom he takes his sister to prom oh that's kind of weird but jessica beal yeah i always had a i always had a thing for the the younger sister i don't know her name um but the the the one that was just younger than jessica

beale i was all in on jessica beale summer catch is there a way we can if we can break down that movie my ducks tie to summer catch that movie is awesome and does a really good job of like portraying like single a low and like smaller like minor league baseball summaries like with the you know we were just talking about like the host families and all that shit like that's they did a great job is she still married to uh to fucking jt that's a good question i'm not sure have you been keeping up with with what's going on with just tamra like he's going through it right now yeah i mean dude don't suck when you're younger that will come back didn't he didn't disable uh uh his institute his like uh social media comments and stuff like that yeah yeah um oh dude i just i because i just i don't think they're together anymore but jessica beal's instagram flooded with nasty justin timberlake digs so like they did they

these psychopaths on the internet they're still married jessica beal oh they are yeah jessica beal for for shit justin did to britney like before they even thought about getting I'm sorry, people are like, people are so fucking dumb anymore. It like hurts to be around them. Like it just, it doesn't like what in your brain is like, you know what I should do? I should message this dude's wife who had nothing to do with any of this shit and make her life as miserable as possible. Like what's wrong with people? People fucking suck. Like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I should message this dude's wife who had nothing to do with any of this shit and make her life as miserable as possible. Like, what's wrong with people? People fucking suck. Anyways.

All right. So we've got Ray Liotta in jail and we've got some good back and forth because this is where he establishes with the FBI agent where he's like, you planted the evidence on me. He put a teddy bear in the backseat of his car. Yep. But we're going to ship him on out to LA because he can't ride along because he can't behave himself.

And so we get a bank robber who is unhinged and the lonely heart's killer on a commercial flight from New York to LA. This is the big thing we need to delve into. It's the logistics and the setup

of this fucking plane. Because there are 10 other people on this plane besides the convicts. It looks like it's a plane for 500 people. It's a double-decker. It's a double-decker 747-200. I wrote that down.

I looked it up. 747-200. Yeah, it's a real plane. That's right. I didn't start flying until after they stopped making these, so every time I see movies with planes like this, I'm like,

what is happening it's it's it's three fucking sections there's stairs there's stairs that go you know you don't need in a plane stairs yeah it's just the logistics and then like the two seats on one side and then the aisle with three i have never seen a an airplane like that in my living adulthood um but i also don't travel much you know i don't get out much those gigantic planes uh of like the the 80s and the 90s before they realized that this is costing way too much money to be sustainable um it's like one of those like it's one of those things that i i love looking back on because it feels like a perfect like snapshot of just human hubris yeah like the the audacity of you to put that fucking thing in the sky with 11 people on it yeah and like that made sense back at the time

it's like well we gotta go there and we've got these prisoners and so like let's let's keep it a small flight let's let's make sure that we have some civilians in with the cereal the the the other fbi agent the one that they they make fly with him uh who's the dude from orange is the new black did you ever watch that yeah he's the yeah um but so that guy he mentions to the the pilots like you're late yeah i wanted you to get here before the civilians and the dude's like i didn't know they were going to be civilians on this plane i thought it was going to be empty why are we putting civilians on a plane with convicts what do we do in here it's the old couple and like he growls at the old couple like yeah and we got the kids twice the plane is so big brandon that a kid can skateboard down the aisle

uh what a different time and then just getting on the plane them just like walking into the plane is absurd i have in my notes i was like imagine you're that old couple or you're the kid running the skateboard or there was like three or four other people imagine you're you're you're taking imagine you're that kid right i'm assuming he's going back to la for christmas right yeah he's going he mentioned it to see his dad or something his dad so he's flying to see his dad and you're just chilling there and then two convicts two murderers two well actually well ray leota's not convicted yet but two suspected murderers and like six fbi agents hop on the same plane i would have been like can i get it can you

move me to another flight can i not be honest like i'm i'm a child yeah like why i don't i kid on the plane yeah i would look around and be like there's no way that miss seventh heaven over there is going to be able to handle this situation i need to get off this plane we have three dainty like then and then they pick three stewardesses that fit ray leona's mo to a t almost right it's like it's like so we have a serial killer let's give him three pieces of fresh bait that are just gonna get his motor revving for destruction like it just it was chaos like when they oh my god it was and then when he starts talking to them, it just. Oh, he flips that charm switch on right away.

Oh, my God. No build, no lead up. As soon as he makes eye contact with Terry, it's on. He knows exactly what he's doing. Well, does he overhear them talking too? Because he's the lonely hearts killer. He's eavesdropping. i don't know if he hears them but he does notice because he he brings up he notices them flip for who gets who's going to

work the section yeah he sees that um i don't i don't know if he can hear him but he's definitely watching them because because he knew is because that's what's his thing he's like oh you're just you're always alone and you know no one ever fits your type. And then he just. Well, I mean, I think that was just him deducing. Yeah. You know, because he's clearly a smart. I mean, he's, how many people did they say he killed? It was a lot.

It was like six, I thought. Yeah. Something like that. So, like, obviously he's not a dummy. You know, he's fairly intelligent. The only reason he got caught was he got framed um so yeah all that stuff that i just assumed he was like deducing from um you know being able to because i imagine the the from what i got his mo and how he um goes about like killing all these these ladies is he like you know he spends a lot of time like

psychologically you know messing with them and getting like like getting real deep into their like their personalities and finding out what freaks them out and all that kind of stuff but and but then like the drink order then we get the drink order well that's that's the trauma i'm telling you 45 success rate that's how you get in he i thought that was so fun champagne bloody mary he's like bloody mary without everything yeah just a tabasco just and then it's like get a like tomato juice uh what do you have apple juice but like you mentioned there the the earlier the the um stewardesses are talking the flight attendants are talking excuse me flight attendants oh i forget you're

not supposed to say stewardess now is that no there isn't there there's a part of this movie where she says that right he calls her a stewardess oh that's right that's right at the end then at the end um Have you seen the previews? Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, this was about the time frame when they were, when that whole thing was like a big thing, when people, you know. Oh, I was going to say, have you seen the previews for the new South Park? Enter the Pandervers?

Oh, I haven't. It's kind of them just making fun of like all that stuff. And Cartmanman i think gets played by like like stan is a latino girl and cartman becomes a black lady and pc principal's like what sounds like the problem's you woo woo pc principal is my favorite character uh but anyway they're they're talking or the flight attendants are all talking to each other and she's like and this is where charlie's mom is like yeah i used to date a guy that would like spin the speedometers back you know he's probably obviously they were stolen cars too you would

assume right yeah she's like yeah you know resells them with the shit happens it's fine so she's encouraging her to go get with this serial killer the line the line i loved was uh so charlie's charlie's mom is like i dated a criminal once and then seventh heaven chimes in and she goes huh only one oh yeah that's right that was that was good oh yeah that was great uh but yeah yeah they're talking yeah she's uh charlie's mom is encouraging her you know go for it uh because he doesn't look like a serial killer and at this at this point we're still semi in the dark um if he actually if he actually did it or not i at this point i was still on his side i was like this because the cop they made the cop look like a fucking asshole and i was like okay obviously he's a you know he's planting evidence he's fucking kicking him in the face as soon as

i was like oh no way this guy this guy didn't just do it there's probably there's bodies that they haven't found it was the drink uh there's the drink order um and then um yeah it was the drink order that kind of tipped me off the another another line that i loved uh which is like not too far not too far past this is when uh brandon gleason uh who plays the the bank robber stubs yeah um which we got to talk about the accident for in a second that accent is real rough and we will because we're we're coming up to the next part of this is when ray leota kind of wins them over because he's sticking up for Stubbs' humanity. Yes.

To be like, hey – but in reality, he's just manipulating the situation knowing Stubbs is a psycho and is going to try and pull some shit. He set this up previously, right? What once – okay, so Stubbs goes to the stub is like i gotta fucking pee yeah um and the the two fbi agents that are with him are like no bathroom breaks but just go piss your pants um and then ray leota does a whole spiel about how he's still a human give him his dignity let him go to the bathroom um so the other fbi agents are like fine whatever and then stubs andbs and his accent. I'm just going to talk about it right now. His fucking accent.

Brendan Gleeson. I love Brendan Gleeson. He's an A-plus phenomenal actor. The dude just should not be doing American accents. Because this accent, this southern hillbilly accent he tries to do is so bad. It is so unrealistic and terrible. he's not consistent with it it changes every time he talks um did you ever watch lake placid i it's been a long time but like he played he plays the sheriff in that and it's like take place in like uh maine right so he's trying

to do like a like a uh like a Northeastern American accent. And in that movie, it's fucking terrible too. Like just don't do American accents, Brendan Gleeson. Stick to just talk like you normally talk with your Irish accent and just, you know, go about your business. Dude, he went, his dialect for his Southern accent went all over the South. Like, like sometimes it sounded like West Virginia or like, sometimes it sounded like he was on like the Tennessee West Virginia, like that mountain type of Appalachia. Yeah.

Appalachia. I said that to be a dick, but then sometimes it sounded like i don't know if he was like trying to go for like georgia like southern kind of that or like alabama it just it jumped all over the place and it was just you just couldn't pinpoint what kind of southern accent he was going for and um and i should have known he's mad i'm mad i moody from the harry potter yeah i shouldn't know this from uh in bruges which is a great movie yeah with uh colin farrell and then what was what's the the sequel that they just put out for that oh i have no idea i don't know that's a good one too i forget the name of it it was nominated for a bunch of oscars but he's a he's a fantastic like a plus actor he just

you just shouldn't do american accents yeah it was there there really was just all over the place i couldn't put my finger on it i tried to just ignore the southernness of the accent because it was all over the place um but his bathroom like strategy to take over, like, to over is next level, dude. So he pees and then he's washing his hands and he's taking forever because he's unscrewing the metal soap dispenser in the bathroom and then somehow he turned he gets enough force to jab this into the fbi agent's chest and kill him yeah he uh like the fbi agent just stared at him how do you not just like pull out your gun and shoot him in the head real quick as you're like fading because there's no way that's an instant he didn't get him in the did he get him in the heart i guess no he got he got he got him in the stomach yeah um might have been like a like a kidney shot um yeah that's the only thing i think that he could have like hit but he he fucking jabs the thing and the dude like

instantly starts bleeding like crazy yeah and it's dying instantly from and that's where i was like you know yeah so this metal soap dispenser you would have at least had to go a couple times in there right yeah oh yeah i don't know i'm not a i'm not a pretty dull shank too like you know like i haven't punctured a lot of human beings with things but like i would assume you would i don't know i don't i don't think it would be that hard because the belly tissue is pretty soft i guess and what's like are you getting enough force to do that kind of damage right away where the guard can't just pull out his gun and be like oof in the head well i think at that point if he he's he's going back because he he goes back and he not only does he

like step but he also presses him up against the wall with his body um and brings all that weight maybe brittany gliss is a pretty big guy plus then like there's the whole shock value i don't know if you once you get stabbed with a soap dispenser if you have the wherewithal to be like i let me grab my gun um this guy it's like holy shit i'm fucking dying yeah soap dispenser but but i i feel like i feel like it wouldn't take as much force as you think because what's the what's the the thing they say where it's like to bite your finger off you just need the same force as biting through a carrot like it's just

like a mental thing like your bones and your skin are not that strong like they're very easily you've never heard that before well no and you know that is such a unpleasant visual yeah I don't know if I'll ever really fully get over that but that's what they say

it's like it would take the same amount of force as biting through a carrot um but it's the you know getting over the whole mental aspect of like actually biting a finger um well the good news is if i ever get cornered i'm fucking biting shit off dude go start nodding on some carrots man it's so gross um but so i feel like i feel like the soap dispenser would probably would would do some damage um you're right though i feel like he would need to do a couple more stabs like you'd have to like get in there maybe he does because i mean it just shows the first initial stab and then he's like yeah then he kind of cuts away and we're we're we're outside of the bathroom there at that point yeah yeah and then yeah but so so his uh his buddy that's like outside right by the door the other fbi agent is you know making this whole this whole

like next five minutes after like what in the aftermath of him stabbing is a textbook example of as a pilot as an fbi agent as a flight attendant what not to do like everybody every single one of these people makes the wrong decision at every opportunity and just turn into pure chaos the pilot the pilot so they the the flight attendant for seventh heaven flips on the emergency signal to the cockpit that was a smart thing to do great job a plus on that the pilot is the pilot he sees the emergency thing come on he goes you know what i need to do i need as the primary pilot of this aircraft and the only motherfucker who can really fly this plane i need to get out of the cockpit

and go see what's going on two convicts you took everybody's guns yeah and he took his spare gun and you know that it's empty there's no bullets in it in your cockpit like he didn't even take a weapon he was just like i'm just gonna run down there and see what's up i'm gonna say something very controversial uh this pilot deserved to die no as soon as he ran down i was like oh he's gonna get shot poof shot yeah and he deserved it 100 yeah like that's the first yeah you that's the first lock the cockpit you reinforce the locked door of the cockpit sorry everyone else although although now you say hey i'm making an emergency landing right now and that's one of the points, actually, that someone pointed out in the IMDB for the mistakes is that technically the air traffic control, they didn't follow protocol. As soon as that co-pilot says, hey, I'm making an emergency landing, they divert every aircraft out of the way so that that plane can make an emergency landing they divert every aircraft out of the way so that that plane can

make an emergency landing they don't say hey i know you've got an emergency over there but we've got some other aircraft below you that are landing so you're just gonna have to figure it out you know with those uh you know convicts on with a serial killer on board good luck yeah the the pilot all both pilots and then yeah air traffic control yeah everybody just completely ignores and does the opposite of protocol granted this granted so this like we mentioned this is a pre-911 um scenario so maybe i don't i don't i don't think it would have changed that much though i feel like no it's changed don't don't but i mean i feel like the rules of like don't i feel like don't leave the cockpit would have changed that much though. I feel like... No, it's changed a little. But I mean, I feel like the rules of like, don't... I feel like don't leave the cockpit would have been a rule before

9-11, right? Yes. Why would the head pilot leave? You have to, like, you are in charge of flying the plane. Like, you send your co-pilot at the very least, like, if you're going to do anything, you send the co-pilot to, hey, there's an emergency, go see what's going on. I'm saying if you're going to send anyone, you send the co-pilot to, hey, there's an emergency.

Go see what's going on. I'm saying if you're going to send anyone, you send the co-pilot. I guess. But you shouldn't send anybody. You lock the cockpit down. Yeah. And you stay there. And then you make an emergency landing right there.

Where were they above? They were above, like, Iowa or something. Just crash into Iowa. No one gives a shit. Just, yeah, take the plane down into a great lakes nobody cares yeah so yeah but that that whole thing and then the plane is all over the place because not only did they leave the cockpit and like the the the co-pilot get up and start strangling himself. That's what I was just about to get into. They almost lost me at the co-pilot hitting his head

and strangling himself in his own seatbelt. The pilot gets up and runs right into a gunshot. The co-pilot gets up and immediately injures himself. Not one of them flipped the autopilot on before they got up though no no and and but like the co-pilot hitting his head and then strangling himself in the bucket the best part of that the best part of that whole thing is when ray liotta gets the keys from uh from terry and goes into the cockpit and he opens the door expecting a fight with the co-pilot and he just

walks in and the dude's knocked out and he's like oh sweet and he like checks his pulse and he's like oh shit this was easy yeah noise like um that was insane that was that that like i almost like okay so there were multiple times where i wanted to jump ship on this but ray leota kept bringing me back the first was at the beginning with the ring and the second was the co-pilot strangling himself with his seatbelt i was like and the third is where terry just goes and buckles in out of nowhere and like buckles in for a minute and sits there and then it's just like all right is that when she goes back to the the cockpit no it's when she's going down to investigate and look for maggie and she's just like the plane is so huge it takes her like 20 minutes to get to where ray leota's at and and she just sits down in the middle of looking for maggie and buckles in because they

hit some turbulence maybe oh oh yeah you know and but like she just okay yeah it was just so dumb in her defense the seabelt sign was probably on okay which seabelt sign on was long on like and they're sitting there like don't go there's a serial killer but maggie's hurt yeah yeah because there's a serial killer on the fucking plane first of all we don't need we don't we don't need to care about maggie maggie's on her own but uh the she wouldn't have cared about you terry but to go to go back i wanted to bring up one of my favorite lines that ray leota has uh speaking of the the seatbelt sign is so so when brennan gleason is in the bathroom um the other pilots are like oh i or the other fbi agents are like i gotta go to the bathroom

so let's all go to the bathroom they try to bring ray leota um but then so then brennan gleason comes busting out of the bathroom right the fbi uh agents that are that are around ray liotta like pick up the gun and they're like hey weaver don't even move don't even think about it and he goes i wouldn't see belt sense too long i wouldn't even dream of it wouldn't even dream of it that is that is that was really good um that's the fastened seat belt sign is on sir yeah because he's just charming the shit out of terry we got to reach out to lauren holly and just be like hey man you know we're sorry you got nominated for worst actress in turbulence i thought you did a fantastic job with what you like you know that wild plot line and like part of it is just like run around in

this airplane and like keep falling over because you have a lot of turbulence there's uh yeah there's so much yeah there's so much of her running around this goddamn airplane oh my god and so and so the the co-pilot strangles himself everyone is shot like all the fbi people are dead the old lady like smashes her head with the turbulence the fucking kid almost gets shot oh my god brendan gleason stabs the guy comes out shoots the other fbi agent so now we're down to two um and then so he and then he grabs uh terry as a hostage and is like i'll i'll shoot our shooter and the other fbi agents are trying to calm down one of them like sneak attacks him like grabs And then he grabs Terry as a hostage and is like, oh, I'll shoot her, I'll shoot her. And the other FBI agents are trying to calm him down.

One of them, like, sneak attacks him, like, grabs him. He ends up shooting him. And then he starts beating up the Orange is the New Black guy. Yeah. And he's going to throw him out the fucking – throw him out the door. He wants to say, let's do a little skydiving next to each other. Yes. Oh, my God. throw out the door he wants to say let's do a little skydiving exercise yes oh my god i almost forgot about because this is like i said sometimes my notes go in and out because i was so into this like this section of the movie i was just this is during the five minutes where everybody's making

the wrong decision oh my god yeah and so and so yeah he's to throw the dude out of the window. Let's do some. And then Ray Liotta shoots him. Well, yeah, but the only reason Ray Liotta shoots him is because. He's about to open the door. Well, no, he's about to. Ray Liotta wasn't going to shoot him for that. He's about to open the door and throw the FBI agent out. But Terry, like, comes to the defense.

And Brent Gleeson, like, elbows Terry in the face. And that's why ray leota shoots him he's like that that's that's my girl what are you doing bro that's that's that's the girl that i'm gonna strangle yeah but so he shoots brennan gleason stubs killing stubs and while and stubs in the midst of that shoots the other fbi agents so now we're everybody's dead we're dead all the fbi agents dunzo and the pilot dead stubs is dead we're down to ray leota uh weaver is the character's name the flight attendants and uh the passengers including the wounded old lady yeah um yeah she just flew up to the ceiling and

and got dropped that's why you fasten your fucking seat belt when the seat belt signs up so so this is when this is when it starts to um switch to being like okay ray liotta for sure is the serial killer and he planned this whole thing because the way he's talking to stubs it's like they had planned this before they even got on the plane. Yeah. And then he's trying to – he's in the midst of that. He's also trying to still seduce Terry. So he's trying to win Terry over by convincing her that he didn't kill anybody and that he's helping. That's why she gives him the keys. She gives him the keys, and then she's like, we should just land plane um because we we need to land the plane

um like i'll testify for you i'll tell everybody that all you did up here was save lives which okay terry we need to stop fucking drinking the the the hot guy kool-aid here you were thirst trap is letting him get away way too much here terry let him get away with murder yeah um but then that's when she realizes uh because he's like i'll give me the keys i'll go check on the co-pilot and tell him we need to make an emergency landing yeah um and then he comes back down and she's like why are we not descending yeah um and then she goes up and sees that the he he killed he found the the co-pilot knocked out and then killed him but he lied about the right like it's so hurt she assumes that he killed the co-pilot because of the way he lied to her yeah we know that that co-pilot just wow yeah but he

he did he did kill him though as well he like he because then they show him like he was bleeding right i think maybe he wasn't i think he shot him i think he shot him too even though he was knocked out um and then he stuffed him in the little like show the show yeah you're never coming i put this i'm jumping ahead a little bit, but like Terry is never coming back from the PTSD of Maggie falling out of the overhead bins, dude. She's never coming back from that. So it's funny. So I have a couple Ray Liotta quotes, Weaver quotes his character. And one of the quotes, I forget exactly when he says it. It's later on.

But one of the quotes he has in the in the movie is he's talking to terry and he's like he's like talking to terry but also he's talking to himself terry just happens to kind of be right there and he's like man i'm never flying this airline again and then he uh he's uh there's a there's one where – there's a scene later on. Because at this point, while she goes up and she's checking on the co-pilot, he essentially – Takes over. He essentially corrals everybody into that little flight attendant quarters that you said. Except for Seventh Heaven, who he ends up strangling killing um because he didn't like the look of her um didn't like her vibes bad vibes um and so then

from here on out the rest of the movie is essentially ray leota and terry um yeah having a battle a battle of wits and will here going back and forth um but like this there's one there's oh go ahead with some of his quotes i'm gonna keep on he's talking to uh while he's killing seventh heaven in the midst of him killing seventh heaven or right before he kills her he's talking to her and he uses the line your plumbing's getting a little rusty isn't it yes he is. Dude, he, there's a,

there's another line when he's like charging, he's getting ready to like charge at Terry. And he like, scream, like, he's like screaming in her face and he's like, say your prayers, say your prayers.

And then there's another leg is stuck in the thing. So before his legs get stuck, there's one scene where she like fights him off and like pushes him down and then takes off running and he gets up and he's like ah you gotta love her dude he is so good i put in my notes i was like is he one of the best bad guys like one of the best at being a bad guy and he just i really do think that we missed an opportunity with him playing the joker like i i think that ray leota his his psychotic laugh that he was doing and like the way he's flipped the switch between the charmer and the sociopath that is the joker all the way i just i

i think it would have been cool, man. It would have been pretty sweet. Now that you bring that up, it would have been sweet. His ability to be unhinged. Is so good. And to flip it on and off is amazing. And the laughs, it's not just this movie. It's in Goodfellas, right?

Where he has that crazy laugh at the table. His like maniacal laugh or like,'s he's he's got it down pat yeah and that's why him is the joker just would like him doing that laugh i mean you know anyone is better than jared leto's joker that guy sucks dude i don't know it's a method that's um we'll talk about method acting later but that was jared leto and his method acting is it was trash but anyways i i just had to point that out because i thought about that a lot when i saw ray leota in that psychotic fucking laughter i was like dude this guy as the joker fucking with batman and being like that type of psycho would have been so cool. Speaking of that, there's another.

So it's after it's after he gets his foot on top. Right. And he goes down. It's like towards the end when she's trying to land and he goes down to the control area at the very bottom of the plane. He goes down there, and he starts turning shit off and pulling wires and stuff, and he fucks with the landing gear or something. Basically, she's unable to land, and it cuts away from him doing that to her, and she's talking to air control, and they're like, yeah, we're fucked right now.

Something's not working. Then it cuts back down to him at the bottom of the plane and he's like his like foot is all fucking bloody he's like leaning against the the wall and he's maniacally laughing while he's drinking a bottle of champagne amazing it was an amazing scene i loved it it was fucking fantastic joker oh he disabled the autopilot that's in my notes he didn't yeah that's what he did down there but yeah after he disables the autopilot he's just pounded champagne and laughing to himself yeah and so and i literally have in my notes because this is where like with all this the dumb idiot goes looking for her friend and dude and they're heading into a level six storm brandon six out of

six on the richter scale and so we're in big fucking trouble and this is the part where she goes to look for her friend they're in this level six storm she just stops and buckles up yeah turbulence dude turbulence all right i. I'm going to move on. It's fine. And she's I thought I did. I was expecting a little bit more from Ray Liotta when he came down and

It's a Wonderful Life was playing. Like he did a good job of being a psycho, but I thought it was going to go even further. Like with the creepy movie playing and stuff. I thought he was gonna go even further like with the creepy movie playing and stuff i thought he was gonna start like trying to quote it or something i don't know he starts asking her all those all these weird questions and he's like yeah he starts getting a little crazy um with yeah with the movie playing and all that uh and then in the storm

the fucking plane flips upside down. Come on. That was awesome. It was pretty fucking sweet. Then he calls Hector, right? Or Alonzo, whatever the detective. He calls and he has like an unhinged, like crazy conversation to him. And I wrote that in my notes because he starts talking about how he got framed,

like what a terrible cop he is, how does he sleep. And I was like, I wrote that in my notes. He brings up a lot of fair points about the American justice system, Heath. Listen, we all know it's broken, but we just need to realize, Brandon, that this guy is a killer. I'm just saying, what was the hashtag Thanos was right? Hashtag Weaver was right. Yeah. This is why people think you don't like things, Brandon.

Do I agree with all of his tactics? No, Heath, I don't. Okay. But he had some good points. You agree that Maggie needed to be put down? I was perfectly okay with him killing Maggie. Oh, my God. Stop it, Brandon. Some of the FBI, like the FBI agent that wanted to go, not the Orange is the New Black, but the other one with the slick back hair.

He could have gone. I don't care about him. I'm fine with him being killed. All right. I kind of did want to see Brendan Gleeson throw the dude at the plane. I was kind of hoping that was going to happen. Everyone would have gotten sucked out of the plane. No, they wouldn't have got sucked out.

Not if they would have been prepared. You hold on to something. They were all standing, just standing like five feet away. They were not going to be able to hold on. That's right. God. Go ahead. So the plane flips upside down and then she tried like she

also tries to seduce him at one point where she's like all right well i mean running away from him is not working it's not working it's it's hard to do that in a plane even even with the plane this fucking day that is flipping upside down and then right side she does to her credit so i have in my notes multiple times right i have in my notes go into the cockpit and lock yourself in right that's all you got to do in her defense she does do that one time and he lights the fucking plane on fire that you're getting to that i was because i want to talk about that this genius yeah so she she did try the the obvious thing we'll give her credit for that she did eventually try the obvious thing

and the safest thing um did her seducing him and then and then hiding the fire extinguisher that was good too you know like she got him with the fire extinguisher the the amount of people in movies that can take a blow to the head from a fire extinguisher and shake it off is astounding to me yeah well you know you were you or i get popped in the dome with a fire extinguisher and it's good night i think it fully depends on who's doing the popping if terry if terry's popping me in the head with a fire extinguisher i feel like i could i could bounce off bounce back from that i feel like she's not hit she's not hitting me full force okay that's i mean she's having a hard time probably getting that swung around yeah exactly ah my god and then yeah and then she shuts his leg in the door of the like you know the emergency

door for the upstairs and downstairs and that's how she gets back into the cockpit to try and land that fucker but then in prime psychopath fashion he starts a fire with like the christmas lights and the christmas tree and just that's that is really good shit do you think they could still could you still smoke on the plane then or had that been outlawed by i figured i figured i feel like in 97 you probably could i think so no i think that i think it was about that i don't know i don't know maybe i don't know but either way um she's so when she's trying to land the plane and then he pulls all the things so she has to raise it back up. This is where she takes out the roof of the hotel with the dude doing karaoke.

And then this is the fourth time where they almost lost me. Wait, what was the third time? The third time is when she just sat down and buckled up for no reason. Like it didn't do anything. It didn't make any sense. Wait, what was the second time is when she just sat down and buckled up for no reason like it didn't do anything it didn't wait wait what was the second time the second time was when um the first time was when the ring the ring oh shit what was the second time we just talked about it we just went on like a huge team i know i forgot what you said that was it the was the soap dispenser no it wasn't the soap dispenser shit i forgot what it was anyway go ahead anyways the plane hits a parking garage and gets a truck

lodged into the tire but not only that brandon not only does does this look like maybe a Ford Ranger. I think it was a Jeep, right? No, maybe it was. I don't know. Either way, we've got a truck on the tire, and then the fighter pilot that is going to shoot down the plane shoots the truck off the tire with doing no other damage to this airport you're forgetting the best part the best part the best part is air half of the air traffic control is screaming at the fighter jet to shoot the whole plane down shoot the whole fucking thing down because at this point we at this point the only people they think that are alive are maggie are maggie and weaver or not

terry terry and yeah and ray leota so they're like it's too live shoot the fucking plane down um so half of air traffic control is saying that the other half is like no don't shoot him down don't shoot him down um and so the fighter the fighter jet pilot his great you know decision is i'm gonna disobey the orders of shooting the plane down and i'm just gonna i'm gonna half disobey the orders of shooting the plane down, and I'm just going to... I'm going to half disobey the orders. I'm going to shoot the plane, but I'm just going to take out the car that's stuck on the

fucking wheel. There's an A-plus shot. Accuracy. Snipe it off. Yeah, anyways. That part was rough but yeah when they're talking her through

so she figures out how to use the radio a little bit she figures out how to listen on the radio but she doesn't know how to like talk on it or use any of the planes she doesn't know how to fly talk on it or use any of the the planes or she doesn't know how to fly it or do the any of the autopilot so what they do is they they find another plane that's within radio distance and have him like walk her through it yeah and so

this that reminded me what like every time he's like walking her through how to fly this fucking plane it reminds me of that uh that uh that did you ever see that meme where it was like um every single man thinks he could land a plane oh yeah it reminded me of that where it's like yeah i mean zero flying experience all i need is somebody to walk me through it i could fucking land a plane easy no problem no fucking problem we saw in this movie these planes land themselves you just got to hit the right buttons at the right time. Well, from what I gathered, if you have autopilot on, all you got to do is kind of guide it down and it'll do it. Because that was the reason they had her pull up and not land is because autopilot got turned off right before she was going to land.

So, yeah, there's still fucking autopilot on. We're good to go. Yeah. Yeah. land yeah so yeah just still fucking autopilot on we're good to go yeah yeah but yeah it just it reminded me of that meme where it's like every everybody thinks they could land a plane uh with just a little bit of help so yeah fuck i could land a fucking plane but that when she turns the plane around that's when you get she's a flight attendant not a stewardess no it's because the guy because the guy is like she can't land the plane she's a stewardess and the lady whips around she's like she's a flight attendant exactly not a stewardess see so yeah this was the the time that all that was going down when

they were true yeah but yeah it's the the whole line he you're missing you're you're missing the whole line because it's he says she's just a stewardess. And the lady whips around and she goes, she's not just a stewardess. She's a flight attendant. Oh my god. Oh, and then so then

so then before they talk it down. And then they have the final showdown. Yeah, the final showdown. For the bullets and the gun. Yeah. What a... This fucking movie, man.

I fucking love this movie. Loads three bullets into the six shooter. Click, click, click. What are we going to do? Boom! Right? And she somehow gets him right between the eyes boom perfect shot dude perfect yep okay so that so that she's so she yeah so she kills she finally kills him we get rid we we get rid of weaver and they they talk her into landing the plane and my one of my favorite i know i've said this like eight times, but one of my favorite things is she lands, right?

She lands. She gets out of the plane. She's walking on the runway, and she walks right up to the detective, Alonzo or Hector, whatever his name is. And he goes right up to her, and they say something or whatever. And then he looks at her like – he looks her dead in the eye with 100% seriousness in his voice, and he goes, you'd make a hell of a cop. What? No. No. No, she wouldn't. None of this – none of this was cop behavior. This was like last second self-defense is what all this was. I wrote down, this is why the American justice system sucks, is because we're just giving cop jobs to fucking flight attendants

who happen to land a goddamn plane. She would not make a good cop. Nothing about this experience tells me she would be a good cop. Oh, so you're saying her using her detective skills to track down where the survivors were in that massive airplane you're you're not saying that would make her a good cop i don't think she tracked it tracked it down didn't she know where he locked i was being sarcastic okay but that that fucking lie dude i i started that that's where they lost me that's when i started laughing hysterically you'd make a hell of a cop it's like

what the fuck oh my god oh i remembered the second part it was the co-pilot knocking himself out that was that was too much that was like come on man oh this movie dude this was this i loved everybody i loved it loved it all right are we ready for cakey ratings because i'm fascinated to see what in the world did you have any other any other fun facts besides uh most uh was the most most rented movie in 1987 um i might have let me pull pull it back because i like you mentioned it was a box office flop i have the budget here so the estimated budget was 55 million um and then opening weekend was four million so real big flop uh the total gross heath do you know what that was?

$11.5 million. So we lost a lot of money on this. Wow. I actually have a lot of fun facts about how bad this movie was. Like MGM. Well, first, this one isn't because it was bad, but MGM pulled trailers temporarily because TWA Flight 800 crashed in 1996. Oh. It was supposed to be aired in December, hence the Christmas setting. But because it tested so badly, it bombed in the test screenings.

It was delayed until january 1997 so it was delayed for a year because it bombed the test screening so bad oh does it say what they changed did they did they like reshoot or anything or did they just did they just put it on the shelf for a year and a half and we're like fuck it just release it yeah that's what i think so yeah Oh my God. Listen, the screenwriter, Jonathan Brett, claimed to be at a loss with the film in a 1999 interview. He stated, I don't know what I was thinking. I mean, it makes no sense. Characters act like imbeciles.

Dialogue is pedestrian, but they threw millions my way. I guess I should be happy. I love it. pedestrian but they threw millions my way i guess i should be happy so oh this is fun the airliner used in the movie was a tower air i think we talked about that right tower air boeing 747 246b oh so you got the exact model i just knew it was a 747-246B. Oh, so you got the exact model. I just knew it was a 747-200. 246B. Okay. And the fictional TCA livery is very similar to Japan Airlines, but minus the big crane bird on the tail okay so like it's the like the

like like the stuff in the fictional tca airline is based upon the japan japan airlines interesting Interesting. But yeah, that's like I said, I fucking loved it. It was a huge flop. Lost a lot of money. IMDB rating is a 4.9 out of 10. I wonder what in the movie poster it says

fear is in the air. Turbulence ahead. They weren't wrong spot on so oh hold up rotten tomatoes here he's it's not looking great oh my god listen to this featured review from a user on imdb brandon your life is too short don't watch this film it will plant the idea that flight crew really might be this stupid in your mind and make you afraid to fly one of those movies where no one does anything sensible from the pilot like all this like so basically all of our critiques this guy goes into a grave detail um on this review i agree 100 with all of his critiques but you know what he still loved it they just they don't make movies like they used to brandon that's all i'm saying rotten Ready? Audience score, 19%. Critics score, 16%.

Yikes. The audience didn't like it, but everyone rented it in 97 to be like, you know what? They're right. I don't like it. That's who we are as a society. Even then, pre-internet, we

were all going to see like hey everyone said this movie is dumb let's go check it out oh dude the the minute this this might just i this might just be me but the minute somebody tells me a story or a movie is like terrible like they hated it i'm like i gotta i gotta see this i gotta i have to i have to watch this some potential for hate you're always gonna jump that's brandon we are we have well established how much of a hater you are and you just keep backing it up man you just keep backing up i have done nothing but love this movie this entire episode um but i do love i love like terror i love bad movies. Bad movies, as long as they're bad enough to cross the threshold, or there's at least some sort of charm.

Or you have this, where you have a fucking insane performance of Ray Liotta. These kind of movies, I fucking love. I eat them up. I'll watch shitty movies all day. It's right up my alley. I fucking love this like i eat them up i'll watch shitty movies all day um it's right up my alley fucking love it yeah all right brandon what is your cakey rating so my cakey rate like i said i fucking i was in this i was in for this movie the entire time i loved every single second of it i'm gonna give it a 3.7 whoa 3.7 brandon that's pretty high for you like i said earlier i agree with all every critique and complaint about this movie still loved it yeah i mean wow 3.7 i wasn't expecting that It's a 3.7 for Ray Liotta's performance alone.

That was amazing. Like I said earlier, the fact that he didn't win an Oscar, the Academy should be ashamed of themselves. I enjoyed it. I actually did the tangent about they don't make movies like they used to with Kelly as soon as I finished watching it. So I was like, that movie was insane, but I loved loved it i loved every second of it like i thought it i thought it was great i ray leota was fantastic i spent a lot of time imagining him in that joker character

and like how good of a like movie even if we do a suicide squad with him or something or like an old joker anyways i am not gonna go as high as you though i'm gonna give it and i even thought about my cakey rating a lot when i was watching and i was like you know this is a three right on the button okay just just a three it wasn't bad it wasn't good but am i glad i watched it absolutely nice okay you know it's kind of like it was it was similar to like a to like a rollerball where it was like i said i never want have you had you seen this movie before we watched it for this no not fully i remember like it being on tv but i never and i like caught a scene or two but i never watched the whole thing um yeah i had never seen this so i had no and i and i didn't look up

the movie on purpose. I wanted full surprise. I wanted to be caught off guard. You know what I mean? I wanted a real viewing experience. It was fun. Like I said, I was in it from the get-go. Dude,

as soon as he stabbed the agent with the soap dispenser, I was like, all right, let's fucking go. It's on. Like, I'm in. Like, I'm all. I dove all the way in. There were four or five different moments where I wanted to be all the way out. But then I'm like, you know.

Pulled you back in that's ray he just kind of you know he just reeled me back on in so yeah three three right on the button for me on this one solid okay and like you mentioned rollerball which we did a couple episodes ago you gave that a three uh 3.15 so very very similar and and these are very very and i did like rollerball a little bit more than this one because those that the the intro to rollerball i'll go back and watch that honestly so i i i scored this higher than i gave rollerball a three four um because i really enjoyed rollerball too the one thing rollerball was missing though was is ray leota you put radio this like next level acting performance it's just a bunch of like mid-level acting performances but man ray yeah ray crushed

it yeah give ray an oscar has ray ever it was fun i i don't i ignore the haters people like if you if you are like me and you are like all the way in on watching everything from the 80s and 90s right now like i'm watching everything cartoons tv shows movies you name it like i'm all the way in this is worth it like this is this definitely feels like you know the times 97 this is great yes this is a this is a uh like i said I agree with everybody every complaint we brought up all the negative critiques make sense spot on 100%

I still loved it though it's entertaining it moves quickly it doesn't lag it's not like you like with the whole ring thing like if you are just sitting down watching and trying not to like harp on anything uh those mistakes will breeze right past you you won't even notice them like

me with the ring i was like oh that makes total fucking sense of course they're breaking up who doesn't mail the ring back to the girl that they proposed to yeah to break up with them it's uh you can just yeah you just just sit down just relax and don't don't don't harp on anything and it'll be it'll be over before you know it or they put it put it on while you're doing the dishes or something right and tidying up the kitchen you know putting it put it on and and have it kind of rolling and you're kind of you know ray leota comes on you're like geez he plays a really good psychopath and then you kind of you know zone out when some of the other shenanigans when they're when they're riding with a truck on their top

i still can't get over that they shot the truck off the plane tire and it did no such a precision shot that it there's no damage to any other piece of the plane. There's a reason he's the best fighter pilot in the game. thanks for listening everyone please remember to follow and like us on instagram at the cake eaters pod on twitter at the cake eaters also reach out to us via email, thecakeeaterspod at gmail.com or visit our website, thecakeeaterspod.com.