The Cake Eaters - 94. Cruel Intentions

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Heath & Brandon dive into the underbelly of New York Socialites as they watch the 90s classic Cruel Intentions. The boys talk about their love for SMG, Heath conveniently forgetting how messed up this movie is, Joshua Jackson's amazing performance, and the social impact this movie had on kids of the 90s. Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspod Email us at [e-mail]

It's not worth winning if you can't win them! Cause it's a bittersweet symphony that's life. Try to make ends meet. You're a slave to the money then you die. True words, Heath. True words have never been spoken. Welcome everybody. This is the cake eaters podcast. I am Brandon. I've got with me the Heathster. No change. I can't change. No, I can't change cause I'm here. Am I my old? Yeah, I'm here. The Heathster. Wait, hold on. I just, Yeah, that was the best part of the whole movie is the fucking great, the great

stir, dude. Oh my God. I like literally the, I took very poor notes because the whole time during this cruel intentions movie, I was just like, what the fuck? I do not remember this. I don't remember this going down this way. I don't remember this happening this way. Like my brain put like a nice filter on this movie. And then I rewatched it. Rose colored glasses.

Oh my God. Yeah. It's actually one of my weaknesses. In one of those pers- like, you know, the corporate personality things. That was one of my weaknesses. He tends to see the world in rose tinted glasses. Yeah. Yeah. They also called me a butterfly. Yeah. That's why you got me here. Heath. My glasses are tinted. Was it black, dark red? I guess black. I was trying to think what the opposite would be black. Black. What's it like? Like, like it is do haters have a theme color, Brandon? Let's Google that really quick.

What's the, what is the color of hater? A that's a great question. Do you think you can actually find an answer? I would love it if there was nothing. What is the color of Haterade? Haterade is a transparent light green. Okay.

So like the, like the Kiwi flavor? Yeah. Okay. Oh my God. Cause it's like, like Haterade is like actual glass, like Hater and then ADE. It just like, I, I like spelled it like Gatorade, but it auto corrected the search. And so there's actual like glass. It's like green glass.

Oh, oh yeah. That's okay. Nevermind. Yeah. So I was like, I like had to look again. I was like, wait, wait. Well, so we'll go with black. Black's probably the best.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like a forest green could be potential hate or aid. I don't know. So, I mean, if you put those on while you're in a forest, I feel like that'd make it look even cooler. That's, yeah, that's true. That's true. Facts. Hashtag facts, Brandon.

Anyway. The Gregster was so fucking cool. OK, I do it. The movie we're talking about, I mean, it says it in the title when they hit play. They know what we're talking about. We're doing Cruel Intentions, everybody. Cruel Intentions, the 1999 classic starring spaz way Charlie Conway our boy Um, but he uh, he's not who I want to talk about right off the bat. I want to talk about the graigster

Um, because he steals the goddamn show um Spazma is love interest, you know his boy This movie would it come? 1999, right? Yep, yep. I mean- Party like it's 1999. Just fully embodies the times.

Like this movie, just everything about this movie, when I watched it, I was like, yeah. Everything about it and everybody in it. Yeah. It was just like, my God, like just 13 year old Heath was just blasted with like nostalgia memories from this movie of like my, I could literally see myself in the old brown couches like that were in our basement on first street watching this movie on showtime or whatever it was on and just being like, the fuck this movie is awesome and then watching it back now and I was like what the fuck what was I thinking this movie is

crazy yeah I remember watching this as a kid I fully unhinged I fully unhinged. I would have been eight when it came out. So I don't think I watched it right when it came out, but I definitely watched it as a teenager. And I remember watching it. Like, you know, as you do with teenage, as a teenager, you do a movie night, you get the whole crew together. Yeah. I remember throwing it on and being like, uh, is, you know, it was one of those movies you,

we weren't supposed to be watching. Yeah. Um, so you, so it made it even more awesome. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, breaking the rules. Literally the beginning of the movie, Brandon is now a cry. That's amazing. I'm not crying. What are you talking about? Yeah, you can't, revenge porn. Like there's- Oh, you're talking about the nudies?

Yeah, dude, like that's revenge porn. The fact that she calls him the nude, nudies, it's fucking cracked me up, dude, like that's revenge porn. The fact that she calls him the Nudies is fucking cracked me up, dude. Dude, the therapist is like, what are you talking about? What did he do? What did he do? Nudies, mom, nudies. Do you remember why he said he did it? He she charged. He thought she charged him too much. Oh, I wrote that down in my notes. So this movie starts the exact same way that what about Bob does.

It's a therapist talking to him, he gives him the book and then writes down in his notes to charge him back for it later. It's exactly how what about Bob starts. I just can't believe that that is how this movie started and Tara Reed as the, the, the person that gets leaked, boy, that is a weirdly foreshadowing moment for real life. Um, wait, is it? Yeah.

Didn't Tara Reed get leaked back in the day? I thought she did. I don't know. I don't know. Cause like back in the, all these, like all the party girls stars, I swear got leaked at some point in the 2000s. Was she a party girl star? Tara Reid?

I don't know what you mean by party girl. Like she, like to, like she was in the tabloids all the time for, you know, being wasted and doing the booger sugar. Do you really not remember Tara Reid? You know, being wasted and doing the booger sugar. Do you really not remember Tara Reed? I remember Tara. Rise and fall. I sent fall, um, of Tara Reed. They fucking ridiculous. I do remember Terry though.

Um, I don't know. Did she have a rise? She was never, she was just, she was a terrible actress. No, that was like the, that was like the whole thing of, I don't, I don't know. Did she ever rise? She was never, she was just, she was a terrible actress. No, that was like the, that was like the whole thing of like- I don't, I don't remember her being leaked and all that though. I don't, I don't follow the, the, the nudie, the nudie rounds like you do Heath, I'm sorry. Brandon, I was, am older than you. So a lot of, I was 13 when all this was happening. Like I was actually aware of things in the world. It was early internet. I wear boobs.

It was early internet. And so the, there were no such things like filters and stuff. We talked about it. It's like when he used to Google beheadings and then boom, beheading right there. You know, like e-bombs world really educated you on the world. Right. I just, I can't, I still anyways, I just literally at the start when that happened, I was like, wow, I don't remember this at all. And I looked at Kelly. I was like, how do you like this movie? What is movie has its flaws, but this is still a great A fucking

movie, dude. No, listen, I it's a great movie. It's just, I can't believe that Kelly of all people likes that movie. Like, it literally it starts with revenge porn, a girl gets like basically date raped when they get her shit face. And then he has sex with her. Like he is, he is made to be the martyr because he finally falls in love. But like the whole time he's falling in love, he's secretly taking advantage and banging the innocent girl to prepare her for the black dude that his sister is about. Like, I don't know how to tell you. This is crazy. I mean, I don't know how Ronald's race needs to be thrown in here.

It was irrelevant. Brandon, you're the fucking worst. I will say, you know, he falls in love. I have in my notes multiple times written hugely. This movie takes place in two weeks. They fall in love in two weeks. They've known each other for two fucking weeks. I mean, that's kind of how it works at that age. Sometimes Romeo and Juliet, Brandon. Hello.

Yeah, that was different though. That's when you only lived to like 25, you know, they had to be quick every day was like, plague. No, no, but now this is, this is two weeks, man. Two weeks. And yeah, but like you said, he gets made out to be a barter and the good guy, even though he's the worst human in the world. But you know what his redeeming qualities and makeup for everything are though. He's, he's good looking and he's rich. his redeeming qualities and makeup for everything are though. He's, he's good looking and he's rich.

So yeah, well, that's, that is true. We are in America, right? That's, that's literally all. And, and his car is, is fucking sweet. His car is fucking sweet. What kind of cars it's a Jaguar, right? The Jaguar is a 68 Jaguar. It was an X, XK one 40, I think is what it was. I don't know. I didn't hear that part. I'm not a huge car guy, but that's that's the only Jaguar model. I know He said 68 do do you think

Actually asked kelly this question as well while we were watching it We had to pause because we had a debate kelly kelly disagrees with me But I think that this is potentially where like step-sibling like came from. Well, not this. So this movie, she thought that it was probably happening before, but I was just too young. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. No, she's, she's, well, she's, she's right. She's right. That it was happening before.

You're right in the sense that it this made it mainstream and OK. OK, because because like I swear all of that OK is probably not the best phrase. But it made it mainstream. It made it mainstream. And I do not sign off on Stephorn. Technically, I guess. Make that clear. Technically, I guess it's fine, I guess.

But like you you just. I mean, as long as everybody's consenting. So my argument was like, in the video store though, right? Like typically your titles were more like, there's a lot more plot within it, right? Like Debbie Does Dallas and things like that. Like those were the VHS people are renting, but maybe it was just like within it.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I just. Well, no, Debbie does Debbie does Dallas. She's going to Dallas. I don't think her stepbrothers in Dallas. No, that's what I'm saying. Like it's not like as like like that's why my argument was like this is probably where like the step sibling like Fetish really started.

And she was saying it probably started before now. I just wasn't aware. And I was like, well, I don't know. Like my buddy used to get his hands on his dad's VHS tapes and one was Debbie does Dallas. That's why it popped into my head. Yeah. Your, your buddy, he, your buddy.

Um, it was cigar. So I think you you I think you're both right in a sense. It had to have been something beforehand I Go I guess yeah, there's no way it could have been invented I can't even I because this the movie's based on danger the the French is a book or a play I think it's a book dangerous liaisons Were they... I'm trying to remember if they were related in the original one or not. Can't remember. I don't want to speak since I don't know.

But this for sure, their step sure, Stepbrothers, their step sibling stuff had to have been At least a minor thing. I mean, there's so many people are fucking weird. There's so much weird, you know stuff but this made it mainstream for sure this brought it to the forefront of everybody's attention, you know, and I would say especially for like our age demographic Why that's like such a popular thing on like a por porn hub and all that is this movie. It's gotta be. Yeah, that makes way. What do you think about the line? Sorry, I might jump around a little lot. It's, it's two step siblings. They're rich, beautiful and terrible. And they're sexually terrorizing. Yeah. The city of New York. Yeah. Well, long story short, they make a bet.

Right. Like in their bet is that if she ruins, um, the, what, like, like her boyfriend chip or whatever was dating the, uh, so Solis dumped her for, uh, a younger, a younger model as men do. Yep. And so now, now Sarah, Michelle Geller wants to ruin Cecile's life. And then, um, so if she wants to ruin chip's life in order to ruin chip's life, she has to go through

a Cecile. That way people don't suspect it's her. Yep. And so she's going to have Cecile hook up with her cello instructor. This movie definitely, like you said, a sign of the times because it is so misogynistic. It's like slut shaming and women really are the devil in this movie. Um, because the way she's going to ruin ship's life is to just deflower his girlfriend.

Yeah. Okay. That's everyone knows that's the quickest way to ruin a young man's life. I think it's, I mean, I guess I thought of it more as like, she just wants him to find out that his girlfriend has been banging the cello instructor the whole time. Well, no, because she has what's she has, she has a Sebastian banger too. If it was just about that, that's true.

So she, there's a line, I forget the exact wording, but there's a line when she's explaining why she's doing what she's doing. She basically is gonna, she says like, I need Cecile to be damaged goods or something like that. Oh, okay. That was her goal, which is so fucking terrible. That is, that's, yeah, that's a rough look. Well, and then vice versa, right? And then Sebastian sees an article about a girl in teen weekly.

That is the principal's daughter that is going to wait until marriage. And so his conquest is to deflower the ultimate Virgin. And my God, my, and, and like, this is exactly why I'm like, you know, I might not really watch this movie. Like I might not seek it out. It might not because like every time I turn around, I'm like, good. Yeah, this is psychotic. They continually choose the worst decision they could every single time.

The path of most psychotic. Like that is the entire pathway of this film. The path of the most psychotic. The other thing that, uh, cause he's talking about when he's, when he's talking about his, the conquest and he's like, she'll be my greatest achievement. I'll leave high school a legend. You know, it'll be so good for my reputation. There's so much reputation talk with these two. Yeah. Well, to care that- Reputation is everything, Brandon.

New York rich social circles. I mean, I get that, but just like, I thank God every day. They probably undersold it a little bit. Yeah. Well, yeah. You've never seen Gossip Girl, right? So Gossip Girl is this movie turned into a, I think it was books. Oh, yeah. Okay. But you turned into a TV series like the, the, the two characters, Blair and Chuck in Gossip Girl are exact copies of Sebastian and, and, um, what is Sarah Michelle Gillers name in this movie? It's like Maurice. What is Sarah Michelle Gillars name in this movie? It's like Maurice.

Oh, boy, I probably should have. I just called her Sarah Michelle. I mean, we do this sometimes like we do this. I do this all the time with if I especially was SMG. Yes, he is the fucking best or like Keenan. I always just call Keenan Keenan instead of. Is it Katherine? Why can I not find that? Katherine Katherine.

My mouse battery I think is dying because this scroll is really being a fucking, yeah, Katherine. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's just a Chuck and Blair are exact copies of, of Sebastian and Katherine. Um, and there's so much, yeah, it's rich New York elites just doing the most depraved stuff. It's, yeah, it's this movie turned into a TV series. It's a great TV series though. If you ever need some, you know, some good

old fashioned drama, it'll definitely get you there. And it got a what's a Blake Lively's in it Ryan Reynolds is girl. Yeah and Yeah, so that's the bet but the Before you go I still want to talk about the reputation stuff the red because it's so it's so it's all they fucking talk about And it makes sense I get in the sense of like them like how they were raised and everything their reputation is everything Sorry to interrupt keep Keep going. Court. But court. It's, it's, I think I was thinking to myself this, well, there are two, there are two things I thought to myself while watching this movie. The first one was, ah, maybe I should start doing cocaine again. And then the second one, the second one was, thank God. I like, thank God.

I don't care what people think because like the, like caring about your reputation and trying to make sure you look like a legend sounds so goddamn. exhausting. Yeah. I've just leaned into being a fucking dork loser. You know, I try my hardest to not be remembered. I would love it if nobody ever mentioned my name outside of when I was in the room. That'd be lovely Yeah, yeah, sorry, but yeah the dude's name was court and also court is

Who is Charlie O'Connell's brother. Who is the other O'Connell? It's Sean, right? I want to say Sean. No, because which one is in the, one of the O'Connell's is in the movie about the, Oh, it is Charlie about theroaches. Remember that cockroaches. I don't know, but it is Charlie in this movie. Charlie's that's Charlie.

You twin brother. Yeah, I know. I've got it pulled up. Jerry, that's OK. God damn. All've got it pulled up. Jerry. That's who I, okay. God damn. All right. Sorry about that. This is true. Yeah. But Jerry O'Connell is in all of the, like, he's the more famous of the, I didn't realize they were twin brothers, but that makes sense. Yeah.

Jerry and Charlie. So Charlie is in this movie. Jerry is the one, you know, from kangaroo, Jack, stand by me, Tom Katz was it Joe's apartment, you know, all those fucking classics from the early 2000s, especially kangaroo Jack, angry. Jack's a solid one. Charlie was a, uh, Charlie was a dude, dude, where's my car though. Yep. The new guy. Do you remember that one? Yeah, that was an okay one.

That was that was one of those that was always on TNT or TBS. Yeah. You know. Yeah. But yeah, this one. Yeah, this one's Charlie Charlie court who yeah, what's uh, who dates uh, Catherine over the summer and the dumpster, um, right before this movie starts, which is like two weeks before school starts.

Yeah. These are, these kids are all 18 by the way, which is 17, 18, maybe. I don't know. They're seniors in high school. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, the, but so back to the bet though, like the, the, if, if the girl wins the bet, then she gets his amazing Jaguar. And if he finally gets the, um, you know, what he's always wanted, what he can't have his sister. The one, the one girl who's who said no to him. Yep. And, and so that is the whole bet. And then, yeah, like going back,

sorry, I'm once again, I'm all over the place, but going back to your comment on the cocaine, her, she's like, they should not, my God, they shouldn't, like, like literally my brain was like, they should not have made it look this cool. Like that was a big mistake. Like that was a huge mistake. They should not like it looked so like, I mean, I guess towards the end, she saw like the frantic paranoia a little bit, like doing it in the bathroom after her brother dies. Yeah. Yeah. But like, but for the most part, they make her look so fucking rad.

When she's doing it, when she, that first scene scene, her first scene when she's talking to Cecile and Cecile's mom, forget her name to you, Mrs. Campbell, played by Christina Barnansky. I think that's how you say it. Barnan, Barnansky. I forget how you say that. Do you remember what movie she's from? First of all, don't don't quiz me on Christine.

Christine's one of my all time favorites. She's in everything. You're probably going to see the Grinch because you're a fucking basic bitch. Oh, I was going to say, uh, mama mia. Oh yeah. All the mama mia's. Here I go again. Chicago. How can I resist you? Mama mia. Glad you didn't say Grinch. Even though she is fantastic in the Grinch. Yeah, I actually, you know, that live action Grinch is fine, but I'm more that's Kelly's favorite. But I'm more of a traditionalist with my Grinch, you know,

you're a mean one, Mr. Grinch. I do look, Christine's amazing, though. She's in everything. And she crushes it. She crushes it in this and then in everything else. Do you remember the episode? She did it for psych. It's a great one. Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep with the play in the rich w-taunt Yeah, yeah with the kids and when they have them over for dinner

My god, but no, so yeah like Sarah Michelle Gellar's first scene and when she Yeah, like Sarah Michelle Gellar's first scene and when she first went, oh my God. That's what I was going to say. No, it was before that when she's talking to them, and Christine, she says, I forget exactly what she says, but she's like, you're so amazing. How are you the way that you are? How are you so amazing? And she goes, you know, whenever I have any doubts or anything, I just, I turned, I turned to Jesus. Yeah. Then they, then they leave and well, she, and she's like pointing to the cross when she tells him this and then they leave and she immediately opens the cross and does a fucking line out of it.

My God. Like I said, they should not have made her look that cool while she was doing coke. And then I was like, you can't not make Sarah Michelle Gellar now You know not she's a goddess. Yeah, that's true. But my god Could you even her her terrible character in this movie because it's Sarah Michelle Gellar. I was rooting for her the entire time She did no wrong. She didn't deserve that at the end. Yeah They should have thrown her a parade if anything if fentanyl wouldn't have ruined coke, we would both be all the way back in. We're all the way back in on cocaine.

But if I had a sick little compartment to put it in, like that cross. Could you imagine the damage you could do at Red Rocks with that? My god. Damage I would do to my life too. Yeah, oh my God. You don't talk about deviated septums. Like Stevie Nicks doesn't know shit on us. I already have one of those.

I would just make it worse. Oh my God. Like is it possible to redeviate your septum? I said, do you think I could undeviate it? You think I can? All right. You know, like when you go so far go so, you go so far one way, it comes back the other way.

Is it like that? Is that how noses work? Just your, your nose just vanishes and just becomes Michael Jackson. Like it's just a little, a little Voldemort. Yeah. Just two slits. Then you're, then you're really ripping your cocaine. Just those little slits.

Okay. The chosen one come to die. Okay, let's get back to the movie. So I do, so two things, or one thing, the soundtrack to this movie, Keith is top fucking notch. I don't know if you were paying attention to the music. Soundtrack is fire. I have, I have two things that I, I don't know if I would need to say out loud, but there's two things that I do want to laugh about is the amount of letters that were written in this movie. This is the United States Post Office got some real none of them were mailed.

None of them were mailed. They were hand delivered. Just the letters. That's all I'm saying is the amount of letters. Well, it was before. It was wild. Nobody's got a cell phone. Nobody has email.

Well, wait, hold on. No. Did you hear what they said about email? Oh yeah. I wrote the deck. Hit me with it. It's so good. Email is for geeks and pedophiles.

That's right. That's right. I was like, wow, that's a hot take on email. I mean, is he, is he wrong? Keith? Is he wrong? Like all those chat rooms and shit. You know who's big, who's a big email guy Jared from subway. My God. And then it's also so like Brandon. You're gonna get a defamation lawsuit that you can't afford.

Um, how was that? Defamation? Hey, it's true. B he's in jail. He's not going to assume me from jail. He's going to defame me. Oh, yikes. It just, yeah.

And what do you think about him just walking at like him purposefully walking out of the sauna naked when the girl was staying with him. The pool scenes were ridiculous. Just out of control with this stuff. The like 19s, 20, like Victorian indoor pool. Go fuck yourselves. That house, I loved that. That house was awesome though.

That's too much. That's too much. And it's just never built. I'm just not built to be rich like that. That's not built. I'm not built to be rich like that. I grew up too mid. Like if I ever walked into that house, they could just they'd

be able to smell the poor on me. You know, they'd be like, one of the poor's just came in through our threshold. It's easy smell like Nebraska corn. Twenty four seventy. That's insane, Brandon. That's an insane thing to say to someone. But that house is way too big. I would love to have that like huge piece of land, especially in fucking, you know, New York.

They were just outside the city, but that house would be, that plot of land would be insane, but I would build a smaller house on it. Cause that house is too big. You don't need that, like that pool indoors is insane. That was the best part of the house. But it was heated too. Those pools, they're not, dude, that, that pool was built in the 1920s. There's no way that's heated.

In order to get that to be heated, you would have to, you'd re you'd have to rip it out and retrofit the, like it would be pointless. I just, I mean, I, those, those pools freak me out though. I mean, you, you're not wrong that there's no way that house isn't incredibly haunted because especially the pool, those rich people like that, they have a lot of skeletons in the, you know, how many slaves they drowned in that pool. He's, oh my God, Brandon, you always just take it one step too far. One, did you step too far.

One step too far. Have you ever heard of the, the Biltmore, uh, hotel in LA, there's Biltmore's all over the place. Yeah. Is that the one that what's his face? Won't stay at there's one, there's a hotel that a baseball player won't stay at. Probably it's probably, I mean, because that's the, it's the last, it's notoriously haunted.

It's the last place anybody saw the Black Dahlia, the woman from the Black Dahlia murder. The last time anybody saw her alive was at the billboard. But I stayed there. Me and my sister went to LA one time and I made her stay there. This is like, we're staying at the, obviously we're staying at the haunted hotel. Why the fuck are we not? So I made it there, but they had one of those pools where it's like, it was like, it was like three floors beneath the lobby. Um, and it looked exactly like that pool. It was, uh, very creepy. That's amazing. I mean, there was all kinds of haunted hotels in Savannah.

Kelly's friend in the slave quarters and one like the old slave quarters for one of them. And she didn't, she said nothing spooky happened, but like, you know, we went on a lot of ghost tours. We went on drinking ones. We went on, there was a standup one. It was terrible. It was the best part about it was the ladies, the old ladies that were on there that were fucking housed. I was like this, the dude that was doing all the jokes, old ladies, he started calling one like Shaniqua or something. Cause I, I don't know. Anyways, it was insane and the jokes were terrible,

but the ladies that were shit faced in the front rows. Awesome. I think they were awesome. They made it. But we also did one, uh, goes to her where we rode around in a hearst. Like, like, yeah. And they, and so like they made it into a convertible and they put swivel seats in the back so you could swivel around and like, check out your surroundings. We drove past an old children's hospital that turned into a graveyard.

It was, it was just, I've never felt creepy. Like, like where, like if you felt like the creep on your insides before, but like, Oh my God, even John Kroll was like, like we all kind of looked at each other. I was like, I kind of got some real, it's like some, some, some real unschill vibes all up, all up in this old children's hospital. And John, John Kroll was like, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily go back here on my own. Yeah. That's all those, those, John, I wouldn't necessarily go back here on my own. Yeah.

That's all those, there's a, all those dead kids touching your insides. That's what you're saying. Oh my God, dude. Just dead baby souls everywhere. Trying to cling on to any, any kind of life. No dude, speaking, you know, Klingons. All right, wait, hold on. Let's get back.

Let's get back. Cause we also have some of my other favorite things that I had written down was Charlie's bleach blonde hair. Okay, we need to sit down and talk about Charlie for a good while. Charlie's character? First of all, his name's blade. Yeah. Oh my God. Perfect name. Absolutely perfect name for his character. I gave this way. We also have to talk about that was the worst fake weed I've ever seen in a movie. It looked like pine needles. It was like, it was like, Hey, look at these green pine needles. Let's use that close enough. It was pretty bad. I've never seen worse looking weed in my entire life

But Charlie fucking Charlie, he fucking crushes this his blonde hair He's only in two scenes, but the two scenes he's in are amazed the blonde hair is uh He has like a little sweater over right a little sweater sweater vest. Oh my god he has that there There's the, he's talking about, he's, yeah, he's selling Sebastian Weed and then talking about the star football player he's banging, the Gregster. The Gregster. What does he say? He goes, because the Gregster is closeted and he gets, you know, he gets emotional after every time they have sex. And it's like, I can't do this again.

And Charlie says something like, I would stop, uh, or I kick him to the curb and stop messing with him, but he's got a mouth like a Hoover. Yep. Yep. It's. Which is amazing. An amazing line. A mouth like a Hoover.

Charlie absolutely steals the scenes that he is in. When he has Sebastian come back and like bust the Gregster and he's, the Gregster's at the foot of the bed and he's at the, he's like sitting up at the back of the bed filing his name. Oh, such a baller. And he's like, he's like, oh, my bad. I'm, I must have misremembered something like that. It was insane.

I just, I, I was blown away by, by Joshua Jackson in, in that scene. He just, he's just fucking dude filing his nails like a fucking boss. Oh my God. It was, yeah, it, it just, it was fantastic all the way around just to, you know, like there's no other way to describe it. It was, well then, and, and the great, the Greg stir was pretty amazing too. There's the, yeah, the scene when he calls him he calls him and he's like in the room with his buddies. I forget the first half for like the first chunk of the story he's

like telling his buddies, but he's about like a hookup he has. But the line he ends it with right before he picks up the phone call from Charlie is he goes, cause he's like, I whipped off, he's like, I whipped down my dick. And she's just sitting there and he goes, what does he say? I have like half of it written down. He goes, what is this? Grandma with a birthday present? Suck it you dumb bitch. Gregster!

And then, oh, then the other thing when he's the greats, when he's walking, because they, the reason Sebastian like breaks in on him or bust him or whatever is because he thinks he's bad mouthed him to a net. Yeah, who's Reese Reese with a spoon. Kansas City Virgin. It also Kansas City Virgins sick ass band name called it. Um, but, uh, that works so much better than I expected it to actually. Now that you, but, uh, but great.

So he, he blackmails Greg into talking him up now to Annette once he realizes he wasn't the guy with bad mouth and he's like, well, okay, at least talk me up to her. So Greg's turned Annette and walking on the fucking beach. And Greg gives the most bullshit fucking talk up of Sebastian. He goes, he goes, the dude gives 110%. It was like a football player gassing up his Sebastian. He goes, uh, he goes, the dude gives 110%. Um, it was like a football player gassing up his buddy. Yeah.

I wrote in my notes. I was like, if anybody's ever talking about me and they mentioned like the, the big thing they mentioned is that I give 110% go fuck, go fuck yourself. I'd rather you not talk about me. Don't ever. What a fucking nonsense of a compliment. Yeah, right, dude. about me don't ever what a fucking nonsense of a compliment yeah right dude in 1999 given 110 that was goals you just you needed a man that was going to give 110 and everything Brandon

you wouldn't get it but it's like you're a hater you're not an achiever Brandon you wouldn't get it but it's also the way he's like the way he's saying it. Cause it seems you can tell it's so. The walk on the beach is insane. Yes, it's so disingenuous what he's talking about. And I gotta be honest with you. No straight guy friend is gonna ask you to go for a walk on the beach. No.

Talk about your feelings. No. That is just, that is never to happen. And so like, they have known each other for a long time though. They mentioned that he refers to himself as the Gregster to her, which I loved. He's like, he's like, come on, I'm the great, I'm the Gregster. Everybody loves the Gregster. Yeah. Everybody loves the Gregster. Yeah. That's sort of the beach scene.

Like you said, is wild. The other wild scene is when Sarah Michelle gather Sarah Michelle Geller and Selma Blair, Cecil and Catherine are at the fucking park. They just start. They just start. Just says French kissing in the middle of the park. It's like, well, don't be a prude. Let me teach you. It's like, wait,

what the fuck is happening right now? That was another moment. Yeah. Well, cause that's, that thing goes from zero to a hundred so quick, but that's, yeah, it's wild. Um, I enjoyed every second of it, but it was wild. Like it, but it was wild. Like it, it really did. Cause she was just like, Oh, you've never kissed anyone. Well, quit being a fucking prude. Let's make out in public. Now I'm going to, I'm going to shove my tongue down your throat and I'm going to massage my tongue with your tongue. And that's first base.

I was like, I just, the, the amount of like 10 seconds later moments where I was like, what the fuck? I thought that was second base. What's second base? I, I mean, nowadays, who knows, dude, like who knows? Like the basis, the base system has always been skewed based on location, you know? That's true. But like I was the, the consensus that I gathered was like third base was oral. Right.

And then home base is penetration. Right. That's what I got. That's in your, that's in your sex and bodies. And so I always thought like second base was like Frenching and first was like holding hands or whatever. I thought first maybe that's my mid Western prudeness. I don't know.

Which, which base is when you touch the boobs. Isn't that a base? Oh, maybe, maybe that, maybe that second base. I mean, I always just, if I mean, second base was like the touching, right? Yeah. Third base was like the touching mouths to the things. And then the, you, you saying it like the touching mouths to the things. And then the, you, you saying it like that makes it so much worse than if you would just

regularly say it. Oh, always yells at me for just sucking all romance. The worst dirty talker. She just always yells at me for saying things like she's like, there's always a lot of options for you to say things, but you always choose the least romantic path. The least sexual, the least attractive. Like that name. I have literally called her the most rootinous,

tootinous cowgirl, this side of the Mississippi. Like that is an actual compliment. And we had a gentle, I was like, what is not nice about that? I was like, what is, what does it mean? What is unkind? It's nice, but it's not, you know, hot. You're both rootin'? You're both rootin' and you're tootin'? Yee-haw!

Oh, goodness. That's good to know. I'm up to base on my... Also Sarah Michelle Gellar's line of I'm the Marsha fucking Brady of the upper East side. That was great. That was solid. She has a couple of really good monologues where she fucking goes in. I really, really, really did, was not a fan of them getting that poor girl shit faced and then him having sex

with her and her not liking it and feeling bad about it. That is, that was, that didn't age well. I did not age well. None of the stages. Well then everything they do in this movie is sexual assault. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, there's not, there's not one movie is why we had to become much more educated as a society. Yeah. Like this movie is like ground zero. We were just walking around thinking all this was okay.

Yeah. This is normal behavior. She's a, she's a freshman. Get her shit faced. Yeah. Goodness. But yeah, there's not a single instance in this movie that wasn't sexual harassment or sexual assault. Yeah. Goodness. Yeah. There's not a single instance in this movie that wasn't sexual harassment or sexual assault. Yeah. Yeah. Like literally knowing that she's walking, coming down to visit and just being completely

naked. I'm sorry. I was in the sauna. Yeah. Or Charlie setting up the walk-in. Everything is, yeah, everything is not kosher in this movie. There's not a single yeah, there's not a single good thing here. Yeah.

And you know, the other or Reese Witherspoon, like she thinks she's putting up a good fight, but she's not. Oh, she fucking folded faster than a fucking chair, dude. Yeah. My God. fucking folded faster than a fucking chair, dude. She was my God. Talk about, talk about, you know, no backbone and having a fucking, she had to, she fell into every trap. It was my God.

I don't, not only she didn't fall, she walked right into them. Yeah. They, he wasn't subtle. With a fucking smile on her face. Yeah. She's like, Oh my gosh, this guy, because she, I mean, I guess to be fair, she was being manipulated by her best friend who was saying that like all of these things that he's doing aren't because he's a sociopath or because he's sweet and he loves you. And he goes all 110%. That's why he's the, I guess I don't think. The greats are sending her letters, Brandon, about how awesome Sebastian is. So she's getting wooed. That's not her best friend. That's not her best friend though. They're not best friends. Oh, they're gay best friend. That's her gay best friend.

And that is her future wannabe lover. And they are, she's being double seduced by the dark side. Well, she is. I mean, she's being manipulated by everybody in her life. 100%. But, um, including your dad. No, I'm kidding. I mean, honestly, probably. Like why would he just leave her to these wolves? Like my God. Yeah. There's gotta be better option. Well, he didn't say, Hey, you know what? There is a guy who is well-known in all rich New York social circles. He literally just did revenge porn on his Therapist you know what I should do. I

Should have my innocent daughter from Kansas City go live with him in the same fucking house So she was already there when he did the revenge porn. So, you know, because that was the same day. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Brandon, I'm making a point. I'm making a point that the dad is a dummy. In his defense, he could not have known about the revenge. It was the one it was 1999. He's world traveled very slow. I know. Brena. What I'm saying is that everyone knew that he was a psychopath,

not a sociopath, a psychopath. The only thing that he needed was the murder and then he would have like fully fit the bill. But also everybody thought his sister was the greatest thing they'd ever lived. So, you know, you figure she would, you know, I don't know. I'm just saying. Uh, but, uh, yeah, long story short, uh, he does end up, yeah, she walks right in all these traps.

They end up falling in love in two weeks. Yep. Yep. He bangs her. Yeah. What's what was that? That fucking. Ricky Martin.

She bang, she bang on the floor. She moves on the floor and they grew they grew but that uh Had fucking escalator scene dude when she's like leaving to go to her her ants or whatever Which isn't the same it's like a fucking block away the fucking subway stop away Yes Fucking coming up on the escalator. That's been, that scene has been, I don't, I don't know if this was the originator of that scene, but that scene has been recreated so many fucking times.

A million times. I don't know if this was the original one to it. I feel like it had to, had to have been right. Oh God. They just, I mean, it was just, it was a really well done movie. It was the acting. My God. Like these, these teen actors, they are giving it everything.

Especially Sarah, Sarah Michelle Geller. She is, she is giving it everything she's got. Yeah. And I'm buying Heath. I'm buying. Yeah. And I'm buying Heath. I'm buying. Yeah. Whoever did the casting for this movie, a plus, like they deserve three gold stars. Yeah. It's stopped. Not it's a, it's a great movie. Like, like you said though,

it is very, because of all of the, it doesn't age well. All of the, all of the terrible things these people are doing. It is a hard rewatch. Yeah, it is real tough. Unless you're into this kind of thing. And then I'm really about it. If you're into this thing, that's fine. But I also might encourage therapy, right? Well, I mean, yes. We are a pro therapy podcast. So I encourage that for everybody. We are a pro therapy podcast. He's so, uh, I, I encourage that for everybody, especially, especially not your sexual deviant, but you know, if you're, if you're thinking about manipulating people in this manner, then you should go talk to someone.

Cause if you're, I'm going to, I'm going to say something wild to these. If you're, if you're sitting here and you're like, Oh my God, I love cruel intentions. Oh my god I love gossip girl, but I'm not a sexual deviant you are Um, you are you should go see therapy. Yep. You should tell someone about you should figure out just exactly What type of sexual deviant you are, you know knowing half the battle? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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They bang. And then, you know, there's the whole classic romcom thing where they fall in love. Then they the Sebastian has this, you know, moral break where he's like, I'm a terrible fucking person. Yeah. And so he goes and, moral break where he's like, I'm a terrible fucking person. Um, and so he goes and he tells Reese, he's like, uh, he like purposely is just a dick to her. So she won't talk to him anymore. You know, the, the old, I'm going to make you break up with me. Yeah.

Move. Um, you gotta love that move. That was, that used to be my favorite movement. Yeah. You know, my favorite move was I would just move to a different city It's a solid move But so they do that and then They should do that twice they do that right right before they bang and then he does it after they bang.

And then, I'm trying to think. Then he doesn't, is it Ronald? Oh, no. So then he goes back. So after he forces her to break up with her, she goes back to Catherine to be like, because Catherine's been telling him for like the last couple of days, like you're a terrible person. You know, she you ruined her reputation, you ruined her reputation. All that kind of stuff. And she's like trying to, she's trying to execute the bet while he and he won't do it because he's in love with her. Yeah. And so then that's where he's like, shit, I gotta, you know, she's like, you got a real choice here to make. Because if you don't, if you don't bang me, I'm going to tell everybody everything. And so then he goes and breaks up with her and he's like, I told her everything.

And then that's what Catherine, there's so many like, Catherine goes nuts. Well, there's so many, like, goes nuts when there's so many like, it's like they're both wrong, right? Like there's so much of them. And this is the whole point of the, you know, the whole point of the movie and the, the original source material dangerous liaisons. They're so concerned about having one up like one up on each other that they

just ruin each other's lives. Yeah, you know, whatever. But it reminds me of like, there's like a trope in like Vin Diesel movies. I don't know if you've noticed this or heard about it or whatever. There's a trope in Diesel movies where he, and it came about like when there was the whole, um, like Fast and Furious thing where like they have to, he has to have, you know, everybody has to have the same amount of punches. Nobody can want to fight because nobody can look like a whatever. And so there's like a trope in Vin Diesel movies, especially these, like any, any newer ones. Like if you watch it, there's always Vin Diesel always has, always has the one up, you know,

like there'll be a scene where the like- Kind of think of Vin Diesel movies that I've seen, but I think you're right. It's mostly Fast and Furious movies, but he always has to have the one up at the end of the scene where it's like, even if he got captured, you know, it's like, oh, I did it, I made you capture me,

I let you capture me or whatever. And so that's what like- Because we're family. But towards the end of this movie, that's how like all of these scenes kind of work is everybody like, he's like, uh, Sebastian comes back and he's like, I ended it with a net, uh, you won over a net, let's celebrate. And she's like, haha, not only did I win over you, or went over a net, but I won over you. And they're just always, she's always like one trying to one up and be like, like, like spin the scenario to where like she won even more than you know, than the thing she

wins. That's what it was her fight. So she's like, but so then she when he comes back and he's like, you won, you beat a net. Let's bang. She's like, Oh, I'm not gonna bang you now because you're a fucking loser. Yeah. Yeah. Which there was, there's so many, uh, I was, the other thing I was thinking to myself while I was watching this movie with the one liners is I need to start working these, uh, some of these one liners into like my dating repertoire. You should too with Kelly. Like when, uh, Kelly likes this movie, she would probably recognize it Fucking hilarious, but no the see the scene I was thinking of specifically is when Sebastian sleeps with

Cecile and she's like he's like right. Yeah while after he's like writing the letter to Annette after he is after he fucks Cecile and she's like So she was like you're in love with her aren't you? You're in love with a net. And he's like, he doesn't say anything. And she goes, well, that's okay. I'm not in love with you either. I'm in love with Ronald. And then he like gets up and he like gets up and leave and she's like sitting on the bench. She's like, Hey, want a blow job? They I Decided I'm gonna start doing that to people randomly. Well, I'm not Now the round of well, I mean maybe But now the Ronald part the I'm not in love with you either. I'm in love with Ronald

I think that's a good way to like, you know I think that's a good way to like, you know, end the conversation and leave. I might end a few, I might end a few dates like that. I just, and, and then like, so Sarah Michelle Geller makes Ronald believe that Ryan Philippi coerced what's her face into sex? Yeah. Well, yes. Well, no, I think she just says he hit her. Oh, is that it?

I thought that she says he hit her for sure. I don't think she says she doesn't even know course in her to sex because they don't want people, there's there's steps. I don't want other people to know they're banging. Um, no, steps of things. They don't want other people to know they're banging. No, no, no. I'm saying, I thought that she told Ronald that like, Oh, maybe it was that he hit her. Yeah. Sebastian hit her. Well, and then so Ronald chases him down in the middle of the street.

So no, no, no, he doesn't. No. So, so Sebastian, so Sebastian comes back. He's no, no, no, he doesn't. No. So, so Sebastian, so Sebastian comes back. He's like, um, I, you know, I ended it with a net. Um, I ended it. You win. Let's, you know, celebrating bang. And that's when Catherine is like, no, you're a fucking loser. I did that.

This was all my master plan. I planned it from the beginning. You, you, you know, you're a loser. Um, whatever. Um, and so then after that, he like runs away, like runs to go talk to Annette. He's trying to go talk to Annette to like, I don't know, try to make up or whatever. And so he leaves and when he leaves, she calls Ronald and is like, hey Ronald, he hit me, I don't feel safe, can you come, uh, over whatever?

I think she invites them over. Right. Yeah. Um, and so then they just happened, they just meet in central park cause they're both crossing through the park and Ronald's like, Oh, that's fucking Sebastian. Why'd you hit her? And then they confront her. Um, and then Annette happens to be walking through central park as

well at the same time. Yeah. Um, and, uh, so they, so Ronald and, uh, and Sebastian get into a scuffle. Yep. And then her fuffle, if you will, Annette tries to break it up. She gets pushed into the road in front of the slowest moving taxi I've ever seen in my entire life. And, and she has no ability to jump up quick and move.

She's standing there for 30 seconds, just like a deer in headlights. And then Sebastian finally grabs her, throws her back off the road, um, believes himself in the road. And then he gets hit by the slowest moving taxi and somehow die. I don't know how he died from that hit. Well, he got flipped up over that car. Brandon, like, dude, it just takes one wrong hit of the head on the sidewalk. Like they had like one.

They could do an open trolleys in Nebraska because a kid literally just like fell off the back of a trolley going 10 miles an hour and died. Like a dude, like a grown man. I didn't look like he just takes one wrong hit. Like the way he flipped up over the car. Yeah, I don't know. It was just, he was like, he was, he stayed alive, broke his spine. He stayed alive long enough to tell an Eddie Loebser.

So, and then he died of his injuries, internal bleeding, spine injuries. I blame the makeup department then because he did a terrible job of, because he just had one little scratch on his cheek. Brandon, you don't know shit about internal bleeding, I can tell you that. No. That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying, I've seen countless stuntmen take that same exact hit and they're fine. Did everyone getting up to leave during her eulogy was wild.

It was great. It was crazy, but it was also, I mean, disrespectful to Sebastian. That's what I thought. Like the whole, I mean, but when you find out what like there's, he deserves zero respect. He was a terrible person. He deserves, he deserved to die. Cause like at this point, like it's only going to get worse, right? Like he's never been caught. Like it's like, he kind of was caught this time, but he wasn't really punished in any means. So like, I mean, if he wouldn't have died is what I'm saying. So like,

I just feel like he would have just turned into dying was his best case scenario. Now he's a fucking martyr. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, cause he would have stayed alive. He would have ended up like Christian Bale in the movie Psycho. He wouldn't know he would ended up just like Catherine's worse. How does how does payment end?

I forget. I don't remember, but I'm more talking about him knifing people in the shower. Oh, yeah. Let's not, uh, bail. Bail's not psycho. Bail's Christian Bail is American psycho. That's what I meant. Not the bathroom scene.

The bathroom scene is psycho, but that's a Christian Bail. I don't think, I don't think Christian Bail was even born when that movie was made. I'm get my movies wires cross brand and don't think Christian bill was even born when that movie was made. I'm get my movies wires cross brand and don't talk to me like that. I just merged psycho with American psycho and made them the same movie. So I'm tomato tomato. That's exactly what I'm saying. But yes, they want potato.

I say tomato. So one thing we forgot to mention is throughout this entire movie and throughout, I'm assuming his entire life, Sebastian has been keeping an incredibly detailed journal. Yeah. Of his escapades, his conquests. And so Annette gets his journal when he dies. I'm assuming she took it off his cold dead body when he was laying in Central Park. Yeah. And then and then I didn't even think about that. She grabs his fucking

journal and then prints it like like fucking Mean Girls with the the was it the book? What's the Mean Girls book? I forget. Anyway, oh, the burn book? Yeah, yeah, so she did she pulled a burn book and she steals his fucking journal prints it for everybody to read Just out in the dude That's a fucked up thing to do too, I guess installs car That's true She's yeah, how did she get the car? There's no way he, there's no way he amended his will for that car to go to her.

I'm saying like, Grand Theft Auto, it's a very expensive Jaguar. His parents want that back. I would have loved, I would have loved if in between, in between the scene where he leaves to go to an ad and he's in Central Park, like right in between, in between the scene where he leaves to go to a net and he's in central park, like right in between there, there was a scene where he went to his lawyer and he was like, I need to do a quick will amendment. We're going to give,

we're going to give the car and my journal to a net. Okay. I know that's what I'm probably going to do. Once we hang up this phone call here, make sure, make sure the old rogue and my journal. Who are you going to give it to? Who's your own debt? I don't know. That's fine. I have to find one.

Sure. Kelly would love that. Yeah. Oh, that's another thing I wrote down in my notes from the, our, when we can kind of, we'll do cakey's after this. This is kind of my last little question here. Or I was a 1959 Jaguar roadster. We were way off. 15. Oh, I thought it was 60. I thought it was a 60 something 15. Okay. Yeah. But I bet you don't know shit about Jaguars Brandon. My God.

I told you, I told you I named the only model of Jaguar. I know. Did you even see I had a Fasta in the furious shirt on? Is that what made you talk about it? Oh, no, I was trying to figure out what you should said. Yeah, it's like it looks like it was made in like some knockoff like shop and it's like this is fast and the furious merge, but it's like not, you know, anyway, back to my last question here, he's okay.

Which I wrote down kind of towards the beginning of the movie when they were talking about all of the, um, Cecile and Annette and being virgins and everything. Are people because people in like the 90s were obsessed with virgins. Are they are people do people still care about? Is that still a thing? No, like the whole, like it got beat up with American pie and all that kind of like enough virgin move. Well, there was a, what's the sex drive?

Wasn't that like, I feel like that was the last like virgin movie that was kind of made that I can like remember. And that was a while ago, right? Like, I think that's kind of, that was like 2005. I think that's kind of faded from the, from the public. Good. Okay. Good. Cause I remember like, I, I, I hopefully I'm remembering correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the nineties, it wasn't just movies. It was everything. Like it was, virgins were like, people were just obsessed with, you know,

virginity and all that. Losing the V card. Yeah. Or keeping it or whatever. It just, it was, it was such a huge, it felt like a huge deal in the nineties. Well, that was when abstinence was still being preached pretty heavily. Yeah. That's why it was such a, that was such a, you know, that's why you were, you

were edgy. If you lost your virginity, right? Because that was not what you're supposed to do. Yeah. Just, you know, now kids are, you know, just doing all kinds of weird shit. What's your kick you ready to need? Let's get too weird of weird shit. What's your kick you ready? And he lets before we get too weird of a topic, let's uh, 15 seconds on virgins is enough that's, I agree.

Um, but you did, that was, I never really thought about that. That was a good point. I just kind of a weird moment in time, I guess, but, um, I guess, I used to, I guess it went back to the eighties to the, all the eighties movies is, uh, well, not all of them, but a good chunk of one. We're like, it always gets brought up. Yeah. Oh yeah. This movie is so hard cause it's a good movie, right? Like it's really well done. The,

every actor in this movie goes on to bigger things, I swear. Right. And so it's a really well acted and well done movie, but mother of Pearl, I just, it's the rewatchability is like negative in my mind. Right. Like, cause it's just, so I think I'm going to go 2.2 nine seven. Jesus. That's a low fucking rate. I'm going to go 2.2 nine seven. Jesus. That's a low fucking rate. I thought about three cause it just, it gets, I was thinking about doing three. I was thinking about doing three, but it's just, it doesn't.

Do you want to keep, let's keep it. Let's go to three. I was planning on doing three and then I kind of got stuck in my head there, but like, cause it gets minus two for the rewatch ability and like, it does not age super well. And it was just like, Kelly kept making fun of me because I was like, I am like, I'm struggling with this. Like it's I just feel so bad for the naive girl for being an idiot. You know, I feel so bad for Annabel for being an idiot and falling into his trap. I know Annabel. Oh, what did I call her? Annabel. Oh,

that's what I, what I meant Annette. Um, but anyways, yeah. And it just like, and like literally the beginning of the movie, that whole thing with leaking the nudes online I was like what the Actual fuck like that's so uncool Like that is so uncool right but the the actual beginning of the movie When he's in the the roadster driving into the city while placebo plays that's fucking badass dude That was a great opening and a great song Everybody everybody should listen to everybody should go listen to Placebo.

Placebo is amazing. Bitter Sweet Symphony as she is, as Annette is driving away is absolutely next level. Yeah. Wow. I like Placebo better. Every you, every me. Great fucking song. You want me to run through the soundtrack real quick before I get my my k-keys?

Yeah. I'll just hit performers, not necessarily songs, but you get Placebo, opening it up, Fatboy Slim, Blur, Counting Crows, Marcy Playground, Faithless, and then The Ver verve obviously, you know, yeah Top notch top fucking notch Yeah, really good stuff. Um, what's what's your rating? So my rating I went 4.2

Because this movie is right up your alley though. It's right up my alley. The effect it had on pop culture and the zeitgeist is unmeasurable. We had a whole TV show that basically ripped it off. There was a sequel that they greenlit so fucking quick. Cruel Intentions 2 came out in 2000, not even a year later. I think there's like three or four sequels. Sebastian's son because I guess they had a baby, but it was supposed to follow Sebastian's son and Sarah Michelle Geller was in it. But they scrapped that I think right before they aired the pilot in 2020. This movie has a lasting impact. The rewatchability is tough. It doesn't age well. But, but it's such it's it's a great movie. It's a great if you haven't seen it, you gotta watch it. Yeah. Yeah. So I went 4.2 4.2 and is fully entrenched in the pop culture lexicon of the age, right?

Like, anybody, anybody that grew up in the nineties, or even maybe a little bit after, yeah, they know this movie. Like it was a huge part of the culture in 1999. Like it was a star studded cast. Every person, like it was every hangout, every middle school hangout rented this movie at least once. Yeah. And terrible idea.

And Sarah Michelle Geller is an angel. She gets a 3.5 right out the gate code just for being in a movie. You know, my God here. She does do a fantastic job in this movie. There were, there are a couple more, uh, one liners before we ended that I wanted to mention that I have in my notes. When we first meet Ronald, uh, again, his, uh, Cecilia's, uh, cello cello instructor and he's black. And so in the, so Sarah Michelle Geller comes in, uh in while they're doing the cello the

the most sexually charged cello instruction i've ever seen in my entire life oh my god i actually wrote that down i was like whoa very sensual cello lesson he's like here let me show you how to do it put your hands here she ends up just leaving her hands yeah completely off the cello he's like breathing on her neck it was was, it was intense. But, but so then- It's hot under the collar. After that, she's, she's talking to, so all three of them are talking. I forget what Sarah Michelle or Sarah Michelle Gellar says, but Ronald brings up Martin Luther

King, right? He's writing like a symphony that's like inspired by like Martin Luther King, right? Something like that. And then, and then it cuts, it cuts to Cecilia and she goes, oh, Dr. King, he's my favorite. And they both just look at her like, what the fuck are you talking about? He's just so dumb. They do a good job of, of anyway. Yeah. It's just Selma Blair, right? Like, it's so fucking crazy. And then the other, the other one is so good.

Yeah. The other one I want to talk about is, uh, it's, it's when, uh, we, Sebastian's like writing in his journal or whatever at, towards the beginning. Um, and, uh, he's like going back and forth to Sarah Michelle Geller about, about the journal or whatever. And she goes, she goes, could you be more queer? Oh my God. She threw like a, like a Chandler being in there.

Could you be more queer? Actually, you know, have you ever seen the movie orgasmo? The, it was, it was Matt, Matt and Trey, Matt, Son and Trey Parker. And they made a movie and it was like, it was, it's basically like book of Mormon, but they become porn stars. Like there are two Mormons and then they become porn stars. But anyways, I won't get into it.

There's a whole shtick in that movie that Kelly and I were literally talking about today where it's, it's, it's just that. Cause he, like, he would just, he would like his whole, his whole, like this dude's whole shtick in the movie was it, he'd be like, Hey, I don't know what's on like, we're nothing, but like Smash Mouth rules. Like, then that was like his stick, the whole movie. And so I was like, cause we were talking about movies that we were talking about us recording this and we were talking about movies that we shouldn't

have watched as middle schoolers. And I was like, orgasmo. And she was like, what the fuck? And I was like, yeah, we watched it in middle school. And she's like, my God. And I was like, yeah, there was that stick. And then for like six months, you know, all the boys, it was just everything. And like literally anything that you would do in your day to day, you would say

that before you would do it. So that's, that's a great shtick. I love that shtick when you, when you bring something up that has nothing to do with like what it's like, like I was, uh, do you know who Tony P is? Are you a Tony, Tony P and DC fan? He's an influencer on, I think he's mostly on Instagram. He won't be TikTok, but it's just like, it's like unassuming, like, I think he's like 28 or 27 or no, 20, he's 25, I want to say.

Cause he's, yeah. But anyway, he's in mid 20s and he just does like innocuous, like run of the mill, like day in the life, week in the life stuff. Oh my God. I think you sent me some of the. Yeah, they're great. But so he was on, he was on a Barstool podcast the other day and he, they were talking to him because now, now he's like, he's huge and he's got, he's on like a DC TV show,

like a local news DC show now. But he was talking about, he's a Democrat, but he doesn't like to throw it down people's faces and all that kind of stuff. And then he mentioned this line where he goes, he said something along the lines of like, I'm a Democrat even though I watched the Sopranos and everybody just stopped and they were like, what are you talking about? Yeah. What? What does you being Democrat have to do with you watching the Sopranos? Only Republicans watch the Sopranos. It's fantastic. But yeah, I love that shit though. It's like only Republicans watch the Sopranos. It's fantastic. But yeah, I love that shit though. It's like, yeah, yeah. So not to be a homo or anything,

but I'm going to go eat a bowl of cereal. And that's exactly like, could you reach Doritos rule? And it was like how he said it to you. He goes, I don't know what it's like. Because it was Matt Stone. You know what I mean? It was Matt, like he played multiple characters and that was like one of Matt's sense of the characters.

He was like, Hey man, like, like he had his lips, like in a duck lip thing, like the whole time. And he was like one of the stage hands of the boys they were shooting. So it was just, it's worth like, go check it out. Like I'll never forget it because it was insane. I would think we were in fifth grade and our buddy's older brother, who was 17, rated, rented us an NC 17 movie because he thought

it was the funniest thing to rent us this movie. And my God, he wasn't wrong. Also check that out. I do need to I need to rewatch a baseball too. It's time for that. Oh, baseball is the fucking best dude. That I think we rented that movie every time that and don't be a menace while drinking your juice in the hood. You remember that one? Yeah. Baseball and that were always one of like we would test out a new movie and then we would rent one of the regular. one of like we would test out a new movie and then we would rent one of the regulars.

Cause cause you, how else are you going to memorize and re quote all the lines if you don't rent it a hundred times? Am I right? Can't be pulling that shit up on YouTube. Fucking kids these days. They don't get it. So oh you