The Cake Eaters - 96. Turbulence 2: Fear of Flying

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Heath & Brandon revisit another movie franchise and tackle the sequel to Ray Liotta's Turbulence, Turbulence 2: Fear of Flying. The boys talk through Coach Orion starring in this film, pre-9/11 airport shenanigans, using the airplane bathroom to reach the Mile High Club, Big Milk propaganda, terrible writing, and actor strikes. Follow us on Instagram @thecakeeaterspod Email us at [e-mail]

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I don't know if that's, but anyways, we're leaving on a jet plane, Brandon. Peter, Paul, and Mary. Yes. This is the KGator's Podcast. My name is Brandon. Peter, Paul, and Mary. Yes. This is the KGators podcast. My name is Brandon. That's Heath with his improvisation of leaving on a jet plane, airplane liner. Leaving on a jet plane. Peter, Paul, and Mary.

Big old jet airliner. It's kind of a pretty song, really. It's a good song. It's no jet airliner by Steve Miller band, but it's pretty solid. That's a topic for another day of just like all airplane theme songs, you know? Cause like, I love that one that they sing on Mr. Deeds when they're in there, you know, uh, from ground control, you know, what's that one? Isn't that, isn't that Bob, not Bob Dylan. It's, um, um, fuck. What's his name?

Ziggy Stardust. Why am I blanking out his name? Yeah. What's his, what's his fucking name? God damn it. Ground control to major Tom. No, what's the guy's name? He's I know the song, the guy's name. Are you in there? Can you hear me at all? Am I talking to nobody? I just, I, yeah, you were for a little bit. What were you, what were you asking me? I just like you cut out and then you're just being a huge dick. I'm like, I have no idea what question you just asked.

That was the most frustrating five seconds of my life. Cause I was like, uh, I was like, I was like that Ziggy Stardust, what's his name? And then you just kept, you just kept saying, uh, major Tom ground control over and over again. And I was like, yes, I know the fucking song. It's my David Bowie. David Bowie. Thank you. That's okay. God.

Yeah, it was cutting out. And so I thought you kept asking her what the song was repeating the song name. I'm like, I am telling you the song name. It's major time to ground control. It has found it. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

But my God, that was good stuff. Little Bowie in our lives to kick things off. Yeah. Goodness gracious. But, um, but so this is, this is the cake of this podcast. Um, I'm Brandon. Yeah. We're doing, um, turbulence to the fear of flying the sequel to Heath to probably our most loved episode.

I think people have been demanding us to do the sequel for, uh, decades now. I mean, the people have been asking for a repeat of last year's Christmas episodes were good. They were solid. They're solid. They're solid. And they've the first turbulence movie with what's his face from good fellows. It was not bad though. That was a, I stand by, that was a great fucking movie. And I, so this is technically a sequel,

but I I'm pretty sure it's one of those, uh, movies that was written completely by itself and the studio body. And they were like, Oh, we have, let's just put turbulence too, as the title. And you know, it was a sequel. I would argue that it's one of the worst written movies I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But I think it's, I think it's a sequel that was to turbulence. That was never meant to be a sequel to turbulence. You know, one of those, one of those.

I literally have in my notes, the entire concept of this movie is absolutely absurd. It's insane. We got to talk about it. We got to talk about it. So the reason we're doing it, the reason we're doing this. My favorite was people ripping heaters in the airport. That was my favorite. Oh yeah, timing mess. Pretty 9-11. This is, once again, people are too soft. We need to bring back smoking in places.

Like you need to start having your bar closed. Like, and like that's what toughen people up is that you used to have to eat in a restaurant with people smoking, chain smoking on the other side of the restaurant. There was a bar in Atlanta, not too far from where me and Danny lived, where they had the restaurant section

and then they had the bar section. And in the bar section you could smoke. It was amazing. Nice. Nice. That's what I say. We're getting too soft. Bring back chain smoking. The reason we're doing this movie is Coach Orion is in this movie, Heath. I mean, we love Coach Orion. That d Orion is in this movie, Heath. Yeah. I mean, we love Coach Orion. Like that dude, he's the main character, that dude and the coach from Miracle.

Like top two, you know, coach speak. Speaking of which, Heath, I'm glad you brought up Miracle already because there is a, there is a connection. There's a crossover with, with Miracle and Turbulence 2. Love it. All right. Hit it. Hit me with it. Did you hit me with it? Did you clock it?

No, of course not. So the group of Czech guys that come in that board the plane at the last second, right? Because they had a layover or whatever. They get into the plane. The older guy, the one that's like the main, he seems like the main guy, the boss guy. Did you recognize him? He is the guy who plays the Russian coach in Miracle. Oh, no way. Yeah, Zenaid Memozevich, I think it's how you say his name.

But yeah, that's him from Miracle. What a world, what a goddamn world. Yeah, I mean, shout out to all that, but. But yeah, like he said, the premise of this movie is absolutely insane. And it really highlights pre-911 airport policies and procedures. And did you notice where they are, Heath?

Yeah, they're in Seattle. Sea tack, baby. Sea town, baby. The, what a, what a great airport. Top, top airport for sure. Are you being serious? No, it's the worst airport. Cause I can't see it.

So I couldn't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Cause I was like, I, I was, I've been in there quite a few times in the last few years. And it's, I wouldn't, it's not bad, but it's not like good by any means. Right. Like, I mean, there's, is there such thing as a good airport in the end? Probably not. I like Houston's expansion from the United where you can just, you know, it's a little more, a little more open concept, you know, I'm, I mean, I,

I'm biased, but I love, I love a good DIA trip. You know, you walk, uh, walk by the murals, get a good history lesson, get a good, uh, Illuminati lesson. Yeah. Good peek into the future. You know, our enslavement, uh, the core, you know, just a corporate oligarchy. Cause you, they're trying to warn us, trying to warn us. Uh, well, no, it's not that they try to warn us. It's that they have to tell you what they're doing. Right. Isn't that like the thing that they have to like tell the people what they're

going to do. And so that's why it's all hidden in code is because they can't tell them directly And so they tell them through movies and music. Why would they have to tell them what they're gonna do? I don't cuz it's like part of I like dude. I'm not the one who makes these insane You know videos and stuff like you don't ask them like but supposedly you know, videos and stuff like you don't ask them like, but supposedly that's like one of the rules of like the Illuminati is that they, they have to tell the people of their. Like that seems like a weird rule. That seems like a rule.

That's like weird secret society rule things like, don't you remember from, um, skulls and stuff like, come on, but they don't tell it. Don't tell like telling, telling you. That's one of my favorite conspiracy theories is that people like to think that Come on. But they don't tell it. They don't tell. Like telling, telling you. That's one of my favorite conspiracy theories is that people like to think that like they are telling us like through the Simpsons and things like that. It's really, it's really fun stuff. That's such a, that's such a like backwards,

like backwards way to prove yourself right. Or to, yourself, right. No, it doesn't make any sense that they would have, it doesn't make any sense that they would have to tell you. So you're getting hung up on the part of conspiracy theories. That's the most fun. It doesn't have to make sense. I'm, but that's that, that is so blatantly uns like nonsensical that it ruins everything.

Brandon, I love the, we've talked about this, like the more insane, the conspiracy theory, the more I have time for it. But it's gotta be, I mean, the, the, the, the good thing, the thing you need for a good conspiracy theory is a solid motive. And then, and then you can do whatever the fuck you want. Nowhere in any motive is it, I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm doing. Right, I think you're missing the point

of what I'm trying to say, is that like when I get down conspiracy theory rabbit holes, the point isn't the realism, that's not the fun of it. The point is the absurdity. And that's when it gets more fun for me. Like it's like, is this completely off the rails? Yes. I'm in. I'm in. Not because I believe it, but it's just wildly entertaining. Okay, yeah. No, you don't find you don't find like just like that. I find some of them entertaining when I can like, you know, so you had a balance, right? There's the, there's the ones that it's like, damn,

okay, well that's really fucked up. And then there's the ones that it's like, that is wild. Like, like how you've gotten from point a to point w is absurd. And I'm here for the journey. Whatever he's whatever. It's you don't have to sit here and agree with me. This is like, like just like how I don't get people that watch like real true crime murder stuff.

Like, you know, you cannot get why I watch conspiracy theories that literally would have no chance of happening or being real. It was fun and interesting. Anyway, see, see town, see the CTAC, CTAC airport, the airport that Heath and Brandon built, you know, Seattle, Latakoma airport. Exactly. Yeah, my God. It's, um, and the airport, the airport that started, I feel like the putting the Uber

pick up like 10 miles from the terminal. Yeah, yeah, probably. I don't know if it was the one that started it, but that was definitely one of the first ones I encountered. Say that's and that's why in my head they started it. So it's a lot. Now, Omaha is like that, too. My God, they're all like that now.

Yeah. Nashville, Omaha, Tampa. But this movie is insane. We have to touch on all of the pre-9-11 airports and antigens. First off, the very first one being is that an airline is conducting a fear of flying class. Yeah, fantastic. All the way through about that. Like just the opening scene was wild.

Yeah, when they're in what you think is the plane. Yeah. Yeah. It's and, and like I said, I think my biggest takeaway from this movie is we need to bring chain smoking back. Yeah, that's true. It's chain smoking. Everyone's living too long. You know, we need to, we need to bring back free drinks on airplanes as well. Oh my God. Yeah, absolutely. Like, like everyone just a little drunk. Yes. Isn't the worst. No, not at all. You know, you can get some good stuff. It's just don't over serve, you know, just gently serve.

One drink minimum or limit. But so they're doing the TAC, the same airline from Turbulence One, they're hosting their own fear of flying class to help people get over the fear. I'm assuming to get more customers, is that what their motive would be for this? To get more customers? I just think they're kindhearted people that wanna help people overcome their fears.

But so, I guess, but so they're holding this class in the airport inside of a like model airplane. They hop on that every once in a while to test out the, you know, to give people like a dry run through. But then they're also escorting these people all around the airport. They go to the air control tower, which that seems like a safety breach.

But it's wild to think back and be like, oh yeah, they just let you do whatever the fuck you wanted at airports before 9-11. You could do whatever the fuck you wanted anytime. You could walk in at three o'clock in the morning without a ticket and get on the goddamn runway. I yeah, this, but this anyways, this movie is hold on. I just found a piece of trivia that's going to help us really perfectly describe this movie. OK, from IMDB.

Having understood that the script made no sense, the cast decided to go on strike. Unfortunately, the actors union found that this dispute was unacceptable and they were made to act regardless. So this movie is so bad that they forced the actors to do it. I mean, they were right. The movie does not make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. And it was so bad that the actors Union had to force them to do it. Unbelievable. That's amazing.

Yeah. Um, and did you know there's a turbulence three heavy metal? Oh, no. It says Craig Sheffer and Mike Dopa. I probably said that wrong. Later appeared in turbulence three heavy metal as different characters. What? Who? What? Two people are that? I don't recognize this. I gotta what's coach Orion's name again. I forget that.

Um, coach Orion's name again? I forget that. Um, coach Orion is Jeffrey Nordling. That's right. That's right. And so Craig Sheffer is Martin. He's the dude with the kid, with the kid and Tom Beringer's Sykes. I don't know. I can't tell what this character is. Oh, the dude that's the air traffic controller, Tom Berenger. From major league. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me. I don't know why his name didn't click, but yeah, sorry. Not Tom Berenger, Mike Dopa. Sorry. Let me, I miss said that. Sorry. That's my fault.

Sorry listeners. I'm not navigating the internet well. Now you're just gaslighting us. He's yeah. Well, I mean, I am pretty good at that. But yeah, the dude from Major League. OK, and then it's OK. Interesting.

Well, maybe we'll have to do that. No, the dude, the dude, the dude with the kid and one of the terrorists, Craig Sheffer and one of the terrorists. They do. I mean, they do the third movie. Okay. Yeah. Maybe we'll have to do the third movie.

Yeah. I'm no, absolutely not. Like this is it's I, I'm so glad I found that piece of trivia though, because it makes a lot of sense. It makes so much more sense at like why this movie devolved the way it did too. It's like, this is so bad, we don't wanna do this. And so like the actors weren't even trying.

They're just like, fuck this. We're phoning it in, they're making us do this. Like it was, my God, it was so bad. It was rough. It took me a while to figure out the dynamic between, uh, coach Orion and the girl. Yeah, that was weird. The mile high club thing was kind of weird. It's like, she's like hooking up with the terrorist. We got to talk about, well, so that was, I couldn't figure out how long they had been,

um, you know, together because she makes the infiltrating. Yeah. But so I rewatched the beginning again, just to see if I missed anything. And so I believe they've gone on one date so far, one or two dates, very, it's very early in the relationship. And I think they met in the class. Because that's how he infiltrates the flight and all that is because he joins the class, because that's how he infiltrates the flight and all that, is because he joins the class.

And she's trying to be a flight attendant, so I couldn't tell if she was actually afraid of flying, or if they were just making her do this as part of her flight attendant training. But she makes that terrible Hawaiian joke to him, the lack of nookie, which was unfucking believable. But so then you're right. So then he fucking tries to tries to join the mile high club with her in the goddamn bathroom, which is, oh my god, I was gonna throw up that was that's where the mile high club happens.

But did the germs in like, especially a pre 911 the germs in that goddamn bathroom and it's so fucking small. I would like I was with her the whole time. I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna die of claustrophobia here. It's so fucking small. I can barely fit in there. The germs of fucking in like, uh, any public bathroom, let alone a fucking airplane. You might as well do it in a porter potty. Yeah.

And I can barely fit into an airplane bathroom just by myself. Yeah. You know, like it's, it's anyways. I was having, I was having, I was having such a fucking panic attack during that whole scene. Just from the claustrophobia and then the germs. It was rough. This is another one of those movies where I was like, I'm just standing at my desk. I'm like, God fucking damn it, Brandon. Like I understand why we're doing the movie Coach Orion and Turbulence 2,

but it is, I just like, that's what my brain goes to. Every time these movies get really bad. I'm like, God damn it, Brandon. Like, why would you pick this? It's just everything about this movie as you go through it, it just keeps getting more and more absurd. Like it gets worse and worse and worse. Just the whole way that the flight takeover happens, the,

that was the most confusing thing, the weird Czech terrorists and like how that like it all, it just, it didn't build off of itself, right? Like it felt like everything was just happening at random. Nothing made any sense. Following the whole, um, like his like heel turn, when you figure out that Jeffrey Nordling is actually a bad guy. Yeah.

Oh, that's, yeah, we buried the lead there. Like new, like all of a sudden, boom, Coach Orion is a bad guy the whole time. I actually didn't see that coming. I didn't either. Um, and like trying to follow it made, it was so confusing. It didn't make any sense. It came out of nowhere. He did have that pretty like, you know, going back to the airport security, he had that like knife like that was in his jacket that he could like hit the spring on and it would pop out and he would start jabbing People with it, but he would still have blood all over himself that thing made no fucking sense that that his his whole guy

I do have you ever seen Assassin's Creed? Yeah, that's just one of those assassin knives Yeah Jumping down from the building It didn't make any sense that he Smuggled that in and then the then the way it gets like turned on him when he gets killed at the end, didn't make any sense either. From like a physics standpoint on how it got turned around.

I don't know. Well, I mean, Brandon, the fact that you just said physics while breaking down this movie is just, that's you. That's, that's your, that's your fault. That's your problem. Like the, the, the physics and science and any part of like logical truth that had nothing, this movie had nothing to do with that. No, no.

Well, it didn't even touch it. It was a, it was like a chemical weapon that the Czech people had on board. Right? Yeah. Okay. It was a chemical weapon that the Czech people had on board, right? Yeah. Okay. It was a chemical weapon. And then he, so he steals it from them and then the one dude that comes on the plane

at the very end is also working with him. Right? Yeah. And then they, yeah, it was a whole lot, it was very confusing. There was a lot to follow and it didn't make any sense on how they connected the dots at the end. Um, yeah. And like how the, how the dude, Craig Martin was his name, like how Martin

and Jessica saved the plane also, wasn't there a fucking elevator on the plane? Didn't they take an elevator? Yep. They took an elevator down to the store, the, um, the, the storage or whatever, like where the baggage is. Is that like a real thing? Do they have elevators in planes? I mean, they, I think they, they might because like I, they showed that in Chuck.

One time. Okay. I mean, and that's the episode of Chuck that has stone cold Steve Austin in it when he's on, you know what I'm talking about? No, I never watched. Oh, but it's a lot of it's so cold. Yeah. I'm rewatching. Oh, speaking of stone cold, I don't know if we've talked about this, but have you seen his Instagram with his cats? Yes. It's amazing.

Poncho poncho get over here. His Instagram, his cats on the farm is amazing. It's amazing. Pancho Pancho. Get over here. His Instagram is the best. His cats on the farm is amazing. It's it's so good. I've just been following him for forever. And so when other people started catching onto us, like, man, you guys have no idea how long this has been going on. And like he, they interviewed him about it and he's like, don't ask me. Like, I don't get it. Like I just started, you know, like Pancho jump on his little cruiser and cruise around with him. And then like he would try to like take, bring him in for the night. And then the cat would just run out of the barn. It's really funny.

And you're like, God damn it, Poncho. Yeah. Fucking Poncho is the best. Yeah. But anyway, so that's, that's what makes me think that that Chuck episode makes me think that the elevator thing might not be like completely. It makes sense. Now that I'm thinking about it, it makes sense for like cargo planes with like, you know, um, tons of packages and, you know, big cargo and all that kind of stuff, but for like a passenger plane, it threw me off.

Yeah. Not nearly as confusing as the plane from turbulence one with the fucking stairs and the all the goddamn Christmas lights. That plane was wild. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, Brandon. Pre 9 11 planes are just, I only, I only got to experience them for like six years of my

life. But boy, do I miss them. Wait, hold on. I made it like one of the very few notes that I made was when, um, Tom Beringer sikes in the movie, when he is like, when he is in a high pressure situation at the terminal, he's drinking 2% milk out of a carton, like out of a little carton. Did you notice that?

I was like, wow, the milk propaganda hitting again. Like, I can't believe how much milk people used to drink. It's wild, especially Midwestern people. Yeah. Just milk with that. Luckily my mom didn't like milk because they used to have to like drink it. Like they didn't have. Pasturizers and stuff on their farm.

So she'd have to drink it raw out of the cow. And so like, she's never had a taste for milk. So we never had to like drink milk like that. I think we've, we've definitely talked about this on the, on one of the episodes before for sure. But, but yeah, my family used to just demolish milk, dude. And then my sister turned like, no, no, but she turned like 16 or 17. And she was like, why is my stomach hurt all the time and I feel terrible? And then she stopped drinking. She stopped pretty much

in taking dairy totally. I think she still had a little here and there. And she was drinking, she stopped pretty much in taking dairy totally. I think she still had a little here and there. And she was like, oh my God, I don't feel like I wanna die 24 seven. Cause like we were, dairy fucking is so terrible for you. It's like, it just. And I- Especially in excess, right?

Like if you're a little bit here and there isn't bad, but if you're just ripping dairy constantly, like you're going to have a bad time. We used to like, we used to like house like gallons of milk as a family, just fucking just house it. And then yeah, then we both stopped. And I haven't had regular milk. I'm a big oat milk guy now. O's my My thing with with coffee or or whenever I do cereal. I I just don't really drink milk anymore. I Only do it kind of I only really do it when I'm doing when I'm eating cereal I'm still a bit still a big cereal guy. I love a late night cereal little cinnamon toast crunch Okay, but or honey bunches of oats. I've been on a honey bunches of oats kick lately. And, uh, um, but yeah, oat milk's the way to go. I haven't had a sip of like, uh, cow's milk in fucking probably a decade.

Nice. Um, I still feel terrible and want to die though, but that's, that's unrelated. But no dairy, dairy. Yeah, dairy. No, Well, that was the whole that you want to talk about conspiracy theories and propaganda. The fucking got milk thing in the 90s was fucking horse shit. That was 100% big milk. 100% big milk. They were like, hey, what do we do with all this milk that we're making? Nobody's buying it.

You're like, you know what? Let's let me call Michael Jordan. I got his number. Anyways. Yeah. I just, I had to, I not to get us on that milk tangent, but it's, oh my God. And what about like, we love some coach Orion, but his accents in this movie, does he have an accent in real life?

Cause I didn't know what was happening. No, I don't believe so. Um, but he had the, when he was pretending to not be the terrorist, he had a weird, like half British accent going on, um, in the movie. Uh, which was really weird cause it wasn't a great accent. It was only kind of there for some words and not others. Yeah. Yeah, it was, yeah, we love, I love, I love Jeffrey Nordlund.

He's a fantastic actor. Did you ever watch big little lies on HBO? He was in that and was, no, no, we've talked about this before too. He's fantastic in that, but, um, yeah, talked about this before too. He's fantastic in that. He's a great actor. But yeah, this movie... Now that you say he didn't want to do it and he tried to quit, it makes total sense. He was just, you know, trying to fucking rush his way through.

Him being the bad guy, that twist made no sense at all. It came out of nowhere. This movie, like everybody has said, it did not make any sense. Any sense at all. And then you coupled that with, again, I'm going to keep going back to it, but watching this from a post-911 mindset with the airport security, it was unbelievable. The little kid is just running on the fucking tarmac on the runway. No, they don't check tickets until they're on the goddamn plane. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I don't know.

It was wild to see how trusting the airports used to be. Like I said, you could do whatever the hell you wanted. It was the goddamn wild west. It was unbelievable to watch with, with a post nine 11 mindset. Yeah, it's the airport was crazy. The fact that this whole movie made no sense and still got made like no matter what was crazy. Like, I don't know what was happening in 1999, but you know, well, actually I do. That was like peak of attitude error and all that stuff. No wonder this movie got made.

They're just pumping out. What was this 1999? Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Y2K, you know, everybody, everybody thought the world was ending. Yeah. There's like, let's get these fucking movies out before, you know, the entire world ends.

And maybe, maybe it did Brandon, you know, maybe that's where the Mandela effect comes from. Cause I know how much you love the Amanda at Mandela effect. Well, that wouldn't make sense for the end of the world. No, that's it's the, it caused a glitch and it caused our, you know, since we're in a simulation, you know, it caused us to glitch into another society. I don't know. I'm trying to make this up on the spot.

It's not doing very well. Anyways, this is another one of those. This movie is so much worse than some of the other movies that we've talked about where we can't even stay on topic on the movie because it was so bad. And like, there's just like nothing really to talk about. Like the dude. With the, that had the fear of flying that bill all the airplanes and knew all

the specs Martin that was the hero. Like, I don't know what the deal is with his whole story arc. Like the, did you catch the, cause it's real quick, but did you catch the part about his wife dying in a plane crash? Oh, I did not. I didn't, I maybe, okay. It's real quick and I missed it the first time

and had to rewind it when I was watching it because he's talking to, it's right after they take off. Oh my God, the one kid got the joint on the plane? Sorry, it's back to the airport security, but keep going. The joint on the plane. And then of course there's the real Ahadis that get on the plane. That was great. You gotta have a real Ahadis.

But it's real quick. It's right after they take off. It's right after the first little bit of turbulence And he starts talking to them, to the Jefferyne Orlean and the love interest lady, I forget her name, the lackey nookie lady. She mentions, they're talking about being scared or whatever. And he goes, he mentioned something about a crash. And they're like, wait, you were actually in a crash? And then he tells the story about, I think they were, I forget where they were going, but essentially him and his wife were on a plane. The plane crashed, she died.

He made it out without a scratch. And then right after that is when he switched to majoring in aeronautics, aeronautical engineering, or whatever you would say that. And so he was like, I switched over to that right afterwards. And then he'd never been on a plane since then. And so this was the first one. But so that's his little backstory. That's why he's a single father, because his wife died in a plane crash. in a plane crash. Yeah. Okay. And then that's why he's, you know, moving in on Jeffery Norland's lady. Ladies love the single dads, you know. Yeah. Shows you're responsible.

Not a 20-year-old degenerate from Houston, you know. You should try having a kid, Heath. That's, I don't know. We'll see. I'll see. You and Kelly, have you been talking? No, I haven't been talking. Is Kelly pressuring you too, though? You should, yeah.

Not pressuring, but. Having the talks. As long as I get naming rights, you know? But yeah, but ladies love the single dad. She was all about, she started falling for him even before we figured out Jeffrey Nordling wasn't the bad guy. Yeah.

With that, when he drops the dragon toy out of his backpack, you know? Yeah. This movie, backpack. This movie though, that's his backstory as his wife died in a plane crash, but nothing makes any sense really. It's hard to follow. And like I said, I missed it the first time I watched it, which makes sense why you missed it too. It was real quick. It was a throw away kind of conversation. It was ripe. It was literally right before the mile high club scene. Yeah. Which they spent so much, they spent so much time in that bathroom.

That's the old ladies and they came out. I don't know. It's, it's fine. It's fine. came out. I don't know. It's, it's fine. It's fine. I mean, I, it was, I, I, I don't even know what to say about the movie because it was so bad. This is another one where I was like, okay, like I'm going to start multitasking halfway through because I can't just sit here and like continue to give this my full attention because there's so many just it's like absurdity and silliness on top of each other. Like all I can come back to is like it's no wonder they went on strike because having your name tied to this movie is like a scarlet letter.

Yeah. And here we are bringing it back up from the, we're just, we're reopening the wounds from so many of these people, Brandon, I hope you're happy with yourself. Maybe they'll slide into the DMS. Maybe we can, maybe this is how we get Jeffery, Jeffrey Nordlin on the, on the pod. He can come and defend himself. Yeah.

Or he could just yell at us. That too. I welcome. Well, I welcome that a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. This was a bit of a fall from grace from Coach Orion. Turns out to be the bad guy, sadly. He ends up dying though. So he, like we said, there was the Czech group who had like a chemical weapon on board. He faked his way through the fear of flying class to get onto this plane.

He had another buddy that like was on the plane, but you don't realize they're working together until like three quarters of the way through when he has his heel turned too. It's just very confusing. He ends up killing a lot of people. Somebody falls right through air traffic control, right? Who was that? Was that the pilot? I forget who falls through. Yeah, I think he threw the pilot out. He threw someone out of the plane as like a hostage. It was either one of the people from the class or it was...

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and save 10% on your first month. That's betterhelp.com. In actual, so I forget who it is, but he throws somebody out and they fall right like right on the air traffic control tower. Yeah. Uh huh. Oh yeah, it's crazy. And then yeah, so then they end up landing back at the airport after he's killed a whole bunch of people. The FBI is there trying to get the chemical weapon from him. And he sneaks off the plane with Martin, kind of pretending to be a hostage himself.

They end up in the ambulance and then that's when him and Martin get into the scuffle the assassin's blade comes out and then the ambulance driver like slams the brakes on and somehow Jennifer Norling gets stabbed with his own assassin blade. Yeah Yeah, oh my god, yeah that just And then that's that's when the little kids running all alone, little six-year-old kid all alone running on the tarmac. He's running away from another terrorist guy who gets fucking lit up on the tarmac on the runway because he's out there with his gut, like brandishing his gun like an idiot, waving

it in the air while he's running on the runway and he gets lit up. Yeah. Just nobody made any good decisions. Nobody was smart. Everybody was an idiot. I agree. I did. There was a good line when the dude who's on the plane working with Jeffrey Nordling. So it's after Jeffrey Nordling has his heel turned, he's like threatening everybody with the gun. He's like screaming at them and they like rally together and they like push him over, they tackle him, they steal the gun from him.

And then in the midst of like their celebration, they hand it to the guy who was a part of the class, was just on the plane, hands it to the guy. And that's when he does his heel turn and hands it back to Jeffrey Nordlin. And you realize they've been working together this whole time? And he has a line where Jeffrey Nordlin goes, I can't believe these guys did that. I didn't think they had the balls in them to you know You know take the gun from me and his friend goes now these guys no way. Maybe the women though I Forgot about the heel turn from the that he had backup, you know, yeah Yeah, and it was like again. It was some random guy. We had never met We don't even know we don't even hear him talk until he makes the turn.

Yeah. It's very, it's very weird and not planned out very well. It was, yeah, it's a lot. It's very, it was very hard to follow. Very hard to follow. Yeah. It was just flat out. It was just not a good, not a good movie. It makes sense. They went on strike. I, I this, if you want to watch something that is going to make you say, this might be the most absurd shit I've ever seen in my life. Then this is it. Or like, it's not even an aspiring director. Come watch this for what not to do.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's fair. Watch it. I was gonna say, it's not even like absurd. It's not overly absurd enough to warrant Watching for that reason like it's it's absurd, but it's not like crazy absurd. Yeah, just like it doesn't doesn't make sense absurd If you want if you want to watch a movie like this that is somewhat good go watch the original go watch turbulence with Bray Leona because really if this movie had a movie like this that is somewhat good, go watch the original, go watch Turbulence with Ray Liotta. Because Ray Liotta, if this movie had a performance like the Ray Liotta performance in the first one, it might have gotten my attention. I might have been on board for it. But it's just, it's terrible writing and then very so-so acting because nobody wanted to be there,

which makes perfect fucking sense. Yeah, I agree. It's the script, the directing, the acting, because everyone was like, fuck this movie, it sucks. It just, it created what is an epic disaster. Yeah, well, again, I don't even know, it's not even epic, it's just a disaster. Again, I don't even know. It's not even epic. It's just, it's just a disaster. It's not like bad in like, oh my God, this movie is so bad.

It's just bad. It's a bad, I'm like, I just, I need to turn this off kind of and rethink my, my life choices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So anyways, well, shall we do the cake ratings so we can just wrap this shit up and get back

to get back to the important stuff in life, which is football. I guess he's a guess. All right. Do you know your cake rating? I do. Do you want me to go first? Yeah, go first. I'll go first.

I like I said, this is it's it's bad. It's not even fun bad. It's just this was this. You always complain about some of these movies are hard to get through. This was the first one where I was like, this is hard. This is incredibly hard to get through. All the other ones at least had some sort of like redeeming quality, whether it was like an actor or like a crazy over the top choice or whatever. This one was just very blah all the way through. So I'm going to give it a 0.8. Heath, this is not a good movie. I do not recommend that anybody

watch it. Even for the podcast, you know, you can you can probably just listen to this episode and not even watch the movie. Yeah. I gave this a half a cake, Brandon. I think I take half a cake. It was, cause like you said, like at least like buddy games had like a star ensemble that it was like, okay, I at least understand why this movie was made.

And there were some, some, some like with buddy games the the jokes were terrible but they were you know There are some jokes. Yes Yeah And this is just everything about this movie from beginning to end like from like you just name some there's no redeeming piece of this Movie at all. There's like there's I The movie ended and I was like, thank God I hate everyone in this movie for making this. Like, fuck this shit. I was, I was hoping for the, the plane just to crash into the water. So

So you