The Canadian Bitcoiners Podcast - Bitcoin News With a Canadian Spin - CRINGE THUMBNAILS, CRINGE CONTENT AND THE INFLUENCER RECKONING WITH THE BITCOIN BUGLE | The CBP

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

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guys there I always see a bunch of you guys there and I'm sure that this year will be no different okay here they are masked and ready to go where do we start I mean I see I do appreciate when I see other podcasters on the show muting their mics before they speak so I don't just hear their fans their air conditioners all that shit in the background it's good to see you boys what's going on doing well uh appreciate to shout out joey it's uh it's great to talk to you again um and i just i think it was smart that you read all your commercials at the beginning of this episode before you introduced us i think that was probably a smart decision um yeah yeah yeah i get a question can you guys act like

you know the cadence of a podcast like unless both of you speak i'm not going to interrupt and you guys are the guest so you get to speak as much as you want no one's here to listen to me they're here to listen to you richard greezer go ahead well we don't we don't have sponsors so we're we're not used to this but uh i just wanted to say before we start off i think tatum turn up way ahead of the curve as a bitcoin podcaster you know what i mean he he uh people made fun of them for wearing a boltproof vest doesn't look so funny now does he?

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so I was just curious if they were able to deploy like a 10,000 knots nodes I don't know. I'm not sure. We could ask him. I'm sure you'd do it. Listen, tell people who people know you guys from all the great content you put out. You guys do a lot of obviously like satirical stuff. That's the whole point of your game. But I think you guys view yourselves correctly or incorrectly. I'm not sure as credentialed journalists and like newscasters in the Bitcoin space.

Tell me, yeah, tell me why do you, first of all, why do you think that? talking about why did you bother starting something like the bugle like it's already so micro niche enough in bitcoin and now there's like a micro micro niche like satirical podcast slash website with two guys who wear glasses and masks every time they're in public see what the bitcoin space really needed was people who delivered good credentialed news good journalism you can adding, you can go on ChatGBT, BT, and you can ask about your favorite hardware wallet. You can ask about which node you should run. You should ask about which company you should T.YC and get your DCA into cold storage into your hardware wallet. You can get all that information

print out for you exactly how those companies want you to read about it. They, you don't need, you know, Klein Desk anymore. You don't need, um, you know, some of these other calling coin telegraph. You don't need bitcoin.com. You don't need bitcoinnews.com. But people still needed news and a news from people who knew the industry, who understood podcomp. And I mean, listen, any news, even in the New York Times, the facts are going to be stretchy. But in the Google, sometimes we don't always get the facts kind of 100% correct. And sometimes we're a little bit jumping of a gun. But the news, the same, signal is stronger, I would say, by double at least 10 times greater than from the New York Times

or from, you know, Swan, like the Swan News Desk. I mean, I think the simple answer to it is I think both of us are making the stuff that we want to see in the world. I read Atlas Shrugged. I changed my life. There's nobody, there's nobody out there that values Bitcoin podcast and smoking cigarettes like we do. I love the cigarettes thing. If you're not being represented in the media, then you've got to go participate in it somehow is my thought process behind things. And what a lot of other people do is they try to be like everybody else.

They do the open mouth thumbnails. They follow the trends. And I'm not really interested in that. AI muscles. Yeah, AI muscles. He was doing A high muscles. BTC sessions. He was on Twitter last night talking about how he wants to try peptides because he's having

trouble metabolizing protein. I wanted to message him and be like, your problem is that you're not drinking enough milk. Like the reason you're stuck at 160 pounds is because you need to be drinking more milk. That's the issue. Does he look like 160 to you? There's like some really good lighting or whatever gym he's going to because he doesn't look. It looks bigger.

I just why I know if he's using. I just want to know if he's using chat, GPT, Grap, Jammin, I, like, which one is he using to get his AI muscles? I just, I just don't want my wife or my daughter scrolling through YouTube and seeing a guy with AI muscles trying to sell on Bitcoin nodes, but I think his content's great. But to, to answer the question, like, I forgot what the question was, sorry.

There's no question, really. I mean, I want to know why you guys started the bugle. You told me one of the things you guys talk about all the time. And it's like a recurring joke at this point. But we should talk about it here. We've never discussed it on the program. Lynn Alden. Is she hot? How hot is she? You guys are obviously aware of the dark conspiracy around Lynn Alden. I never really hear you discuss it. I'd be curious if you have some thoughts on that. And tell the viewers and listeners why you think Lynn Alden. and is so hot. She's hot for a lot of reasons. She's hot because she's incredibly smart. She's a very capable woman. When have you ever seen? She's headlining Bitcoin event. She's a keynote speaker.

She's there because of her brains. She is attractive, but she's like one of the only women that I don't think's ever sat on women in Bitcoin panel. panel. And I think that's a, that's a great role model to be presenting to other women in the industry. She's hot. I find her to be the one of the best examples out there. And I think we should applaud her for being one of the best examples out there. And my, my answer is a little more simple.

It's, you know, think about if you were a single guy or VAP when you were a single guy and your friends, they wanted to hook you up with this girl and send you up on a blind date. And he said, tell me about this girl. And they say, well, she's really smart when it comes to macroeconomics. Um, she lists this to 40 hours of Bitcoin podcast per week. She put us really funny means. She's known for, uh, nothing's, you're like, all right, this chick must be fat. This chick must like, you know, tell me next she has a good sense of humor. It's if, if a a girl is hot. That's one of the most important points. Like just, like, tell me

about Linnaudan. A, she's hot. B, she's good at Macro. Like, those are not important points. And I think people just go out of their way to avoid saying when Alden is hot for whatever reason. And we just were just saying out loud what people are afraid to say for some reason.

Do you think she's the hottest bitcoiner? I think she's the Bitcoin standard of women in the industry. Hands down. I mean, she is a very capable woman. She can run circles around all the macro. No one is debating her macroeconomics.

Jerry, I lost his audio, too. We don't hear you, Joe. It's our podcast now. I refuse to be a Canadian, though. I'm an American. maybe you can have some purpose we're back we're back

well we're back yeah okay one of you guys I was on I think was you rod we were talking about like the hot the hot Bitcoin women side of things and I don't like I personally have

not really thought about this too much like there's obviously some pretty attractive girls in Bitcoin but the thing that really fucking bugs me and you just brought it up it's like everyone has to be at the women in Bitcoin breakfast or the Bitcoin Batty's breakfast or the Bitcoin for chicks or like you know chicks and nodes or whatever i fucking hate that stuff and to lynn's credit you are right

i never see her paneling with the women in bitcoin panel breakfasting with the women in bitcoin breakfast she's just posting pictures of her midrift when it's time to work out and hitting you with nothing stops this train maybe i'm the one who's got this wrong right is you get to a podcast a conference you get somewhere and you see somebody who is eight a bitcoiner is into this thing and as is knowledgeable in this industry as anyone and do you want to spend that 15 minutes or five minutes you have making small talk talking about your dress talking about your sponsors talk or do you want to talk about thermodynamics and do you want to talk about the runaway inflation the debt spiral the nothing stops this do you want to get down to nothing

stops this train and that's when you any interaction you have both at all, then he gets straight to the signal. Greaser's nodding. Have you guys met her in person? Not yet, but I hope to soon. I'd like to get her on the podcast. I think that would be a great conversation. Did you guys not just do that thing in Vegas with like the wrestling or something? There was like, I think you actually contracted a midget. Did I see that correctly?

There was a midget wrestling troupe. Yes. It was a good time. It was fun. Do you want to tell people a little bit about that? Like, first of all, people don't know. The Bitcoin Conference obviously is a bit of a pariah on this show. But these two guys and the bugle came up with this secondary. What did you call it, satirize the system, I think,

where you had like an offshoot arms length podconf unapproved conference in Vegas at the same time as the Bitcoin Conference. I think I got that. Yeah, Jeremy Polly, 21 Media. on the show. We partnered with him on it. It was a good time. There were some panels. I didn't really pay attention to us hanging out, smoking cigarettes with people outside. But yeah, we had fun. I think it's important to get together with people in person, have a good time. There's like a different level of connection

that you can have with your podcast listeners when you're hanging out together, smoking cigarettes. And it was a fun event. I hope they do many more, not exactly like it, but, you know, interesting events that have never been done before in the future. Yeah. And I just want to take the time to talk about why the Bitcoin conference or why the Bitcoin magazine is kind of a pariah on your show. After all, they did for the truckers and the trucker protest. And this is, you're saying that they're pariahs. I just want to know more, I'm curious.

Well, Len is like super anti-David Bailey. I think he's got a David Bailey voodoo doll, honestly. You know, that term rent-free applies to Len and David Bailey. And around the time when Bitcoin magazine launched, what did they call their investment arm? I forget. I forget now. Before Nakamoto, it was something else. UTXO management?

Yeah, UTX. So they launched that and we did a segment on it. I forget exactly what we said. And, you know, I basically defended Bailey and the conference on the air. And he caught wind of it and sent me DM and said, you know, I really appreciate that. It's easy to say like that you hate us all the time. And so I ended up having him and Mark Goodwin on when Mark Goodwin was the editor before he was just working with Whitney. And it was a great show.

That show got a lot of fucking plays. And we had a lot of good discussion about like whether or not there. in it for the right reasons, I guess, to use the reality TV parlance. And Len didn't show up. He boycotted it. And he also boycotted the main episode we did that week. He wouldn't do it with me. I had to do it, I think, with Boomer maybe, or somebody had to fill in because Len refused to do the show that week with me out of, you know, disgust for giving the airwaves to those guys.

I personally have no problem with the Bitcoin conference or David Bailey, almost no matter what they do, he's been a net positive. for Bitcoin has probably made a lot of people a lot of money, including me, and I'm sure you guys too. So I personally have no problem with the guy. If he wants to spin up a, you know, investing arm, whether it's TXO or, you know, Bitcoin Treasury company, I could care less. I think it's fine. You can see in the chat, there was a lot of support for that when, when Len, Len bailed, because a lot of people feel the same way about Bitcoin magazine, the Bitcoin conference. Do you guys think it's like, am I crazy that it's fine? I was, I was going to say, I don't understand.

being a hate, but I do you see it. And I just think that I watched that episode with you and with David and you were Omni, so he David Bailey charmed you. And I think when, I think Len's just afraid that David Bailey

would make him like him. You know, like Len wants to hate David Bailey for you know, David Bailey just represents, you know, the Ornals and God, those suck. And it's, in ordinals are kind of gay. So he just doesn't want to like the guy. the guy, you know, he's afraid to like David, Steve G.A. for him.

I think it's really important to criticize people where, you know, criticism is worth criticizing. But I also think it's important to give people props where they're deserved. And Bitcoin Magazine, they create the, they're doing multiples of them now. But they consistently put on the greatest spectacle in Bitcoin, which is the conference. And it is a spectacle. It's the podcast Super Bowl. There's so much degeneracy and nonsense. But the thing that I find really interesting when people target David is there's so many things to be upset at.

And I think people are kind of losing sight. of the broader scope of things. Like, David is, you know, there's some questionable things that he gets his hands into that you might not have to agree with. He fails all the Pletter's purity test. And...

Pletter's a fan of this show, by the way. He listens to the show, I think. Interesting. Well, I mean, you can criticize them. You know, I think it's fair to criticize a lot of people, but they're having a derangement syndrome. Like, one of the things that I found super lame was having Donald Trump.

and put a Bitcoin conference and having TSA. Come on. Why? That was fucking cool, man. I really like that. What's cool about being at a Bitcoin conference? Bitcoin has a cypherpunk ethos and waiting in TSA to go listen to your favorite podcast or speak.

There's nothing. Well, it's about, it's about like the, the idea that you went from, you know, high fiving with your buddy covered in pimples at $1,000 to the president has no choice but to come visit with you at the conference because you're now. a huge like voting in Capitol block in America. There's something cool about that. And I think that is kind of almost what Richard

is saying at the same time where it's Bitcoin magazine conference is a spectacle and with that spectacle as tradeoffs, it's not, you know, it's not as pure it's not as maxy, it's also not a cipher punk. It's also to politics. It is

still a huge spectacle. And I think you can judge whether it was net positive or net negative, you know, I think it's too early to do that. Where I would criticize David is that he, he said, when you talk to me, he's somebody who obviously gets it, he understands Bitcoin. He understands like the implications. We joke about, now, Bitcoin has already won. He gets that. And he kind of does understand his role as like an influencer and like somebody he's like making things happen because of

his ideas. And I just wish he took that more seriously. It had I think David should have more creative ideas. He's one of the four horsemen and podcom. Where I was going with it is just, you know, you have your choice of what you get frustrated over and how to respond to it. And I feel like having some sort of derangement syndrome around somebody else's behaviors kind of waste time. You can get frustrated about it. But, you know, my frustration is part of the reason why I didn't decide to go work for Bitcoin Magazine. and I started doing my own thing

is because I just it's not that I don't appreciate them I do I do the lightning physical print magazine that they put out is great the conference they put out it's always a good time I always have fun there it's a spectacle I mean

I got it like a massive boner watching Dennis on the news desk that was like you know it's an experience I love D.P. He's the best. You guys, you guys, I shouldn't say hate on it. You rag on him all the time, even though I think he's a pretty good, pretty good Bitcoiner.

I did want to ask you guys about Dennis Porter. We'll get to that maybe in a sec, but you mentioned Pleditor. Pleditor has become super, I don't say controversial, but he's, you know, he's divisive on Bitcoin Twitter. There's very few, there's very few accounts in that realm that the big Podconf approved accounts interact with on a regular basis. But I see that Pleditor gets responses from Bailey, from Pierre Rochard, from a handful of others too, when he criticizes them and brings, you know, what he thinks is a smoking gun receipt. It's not always, in my opinion, a smoking gun.

But where do you, like, where do you guys, why did you start like a, like a pledator, basically like a pledator comedy thread? Like now if I look at your feed, it's basically once every couple days, you guys are saying something about Pleditor that's unrelated to a tweet that he had. Like, I don't know. Where did this come from and why? Well, a lot of the Pletter content has really been driven by Neat. And I want, and people know that people know when, when Tlander posts some things,

he's getting teased by the meme coiners or something. He's riled up. They always tag me. They tag me when he, he braged. But I love them. And I'm not trying to make fun of Plutter. I appreciate. i'll give you an example uh we we kind of brushed over the news today about uh charlie kirk

but a lot of people had a lot of reactions to that event it was charisma people were trying to reconcile these civil some people were calling for war people everybody was talking about it in the group chats and i go to plenner's page and the first thing pletander did you wait a minute you went so charlie kirk gets killed today and you're visiting the Pleditor, Reddit. I admit it, yes. I admit this. That is deranged. And clattered, but because the reason is, and I want

people to understand how, like, funny Pleditor is to me and how much I appreciate him. The first thing he did was go to Pomp. Fun because he suspected that broccoli intercutted Zemer scammers were going to take the picture of Charlie Kirk into this big gums,

and they were going to make a mean coin out of it, and they were going to pump and dump it. And that's the first thing Pletiner thought of. And that's the first thing you went to Pomp dot fund. And then he blamed, you know, the degeneracy of today on the people who would make Neme coins of Charlie Kirk. And that is a symptom of how disgusting our society is. And only Pletoner would think to know the Ingo there and point that out. And he does that all the time. And I think that my only advice to Pletter is that, you know, how many, every time you go to David Bailey's Twitter page, you are let down and disappointed.

How many more times can David Bailey or, you know, Corey Clipsden at Swan or, you know, the full nap? How many more times can they let you down, Plutter? If you're grumpy, because every time you go there and they're like, you stop going to their timeline. It's just he, um, you know, he's got the derangedment and that the people reply because they've got blooded her derangement syndrome too.

Creaser, you got anything to add to that or what? Plediter's a fisherman. He's casting lines and he snags him every once in a while. He's very talented at it. Who's going to docks first? You guys? Or pled?

I think Pletter is the best and I think that at least I think Rod Balmer is the best when there's nobody to to like see behind it right it's like the character the the the journalism speaks for itself the podcast speaks for itself i don't think anything else matters and i agree with plunder i appreciate plunder's content so much i don't care to ever know who he is i i want to know who he is

i have a pretty good idea of who you guys are ever i'm not going to say it on the air the uh the the the dennis porter thing is another thread you guys like to pull on and i man he gets it's so much shit for the breaking stuff and just his like tweet style and what I think are sometimes not the best fitting suits that he wears to visit with um these politicians yeah they need to be they need to be tailored I think I don't know I don't think he's making a killing doing advocacy work for Bitcoin in Washington but um there's got to be a tailor who can help him with a couple of those pairs of pants I've seen because this isn't like he's out of shape he doesn't need It doesn't need to have pants that are like off the shelf.

You could buy something and have it tailored. Why pick on Porter? Is it just because it's easy because everyone knows the breaking meme? Or is it or you guys have some other reason for a number of what's the characterization of picking on? You guys are picking. I think you're picking on everybody. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. But if I look through your feed, like I don't have your feed up right now.

If I look through your feed, there's almost never like just a empty vessel comment. tweet. It's always like somebody is getting not roasted, but there's like an arrow pointing to them in the commentary. We're covering the news. The news is about people. Is that

that angle we're thinking? My job as a journalist is to report and report to what my perspective is based on the facts and the information Now, I'm not trying to make you look good.

I'm not trying to make you look bad either. I'm just trying to represent you in a way that it, and usually when the stories go it or the content, it's in a way that everybody else kind of, their perspective about you as well. And it all aligns and it's, you know, that's where the news comes from. And it's,

right, not anybody. If you feel like you're being picked on, I would question, why why do you why does this true information make you feel like you're being teased I don't know I don't know people who are in your post necessarily agree with that but I'd be curious I mean it doesn't bother me and I know a couple of times people who listen to this show and have been on this show have mentioned you guys before and after you know when something comes

out from your feed that they they think is funny the other thing that you guys obviously are talking a lot about is knots and core and I don't run a node I don't care about Knott's or core and I know my co-host is on me all the time. My co-host actually purchased for me a Linux laptop and put up, put a note on it and told me to run it and it was too slow to work. That's how hard it is to run a note on a laptop. And it's a huge point of discussion now with Bitcoin. You got guys like Shinobi, Luke DeShire, whatever his name is.

Some of the, like the core in Nauts debate has truly brought. out some of the frontiest looking bitcoiners from the darkest, deepest corners of the Bitcoin talk forum days. What are you guys seeing on the knots versus core front? Who are your favorite knots versus core personalities?

I don't know. I mean, it's been the big cultural thing we've had to report on it. I found it kind of annoying. The thing that's gotten me excited is this new political movement to not run a note, the knock on a node crowd. I'm a pioneer in that movement.

Yeah. No, you are. You should definitely don't on everybody that's shooting at me if you're not running a note. I'm going to do that. I don't want to run a note because I just don't, I don't say I don't care, but definitely part of me is like not thrilled

about all the people who say you can't be a Bitcoin or unless you're running a node. It drives me nuts. Someone just sent me in the private chat here, the Dennis Porter fax page on the bugle. Like this is what I'm talking. is what I'm talking about. You know what this is like? You guys, you guys picked off the Chuck Norris like bathroom back, back of the bathroom door calendar and just put it

under Dennis Porter's name and had him writing a dinosaur. I'm going to pull up the website. But you don't think this pisses like it pisses people off. It might not piss off like the average podcaster, but this guy, he's trying to get into DC. His, you know, he's probably dealing with like under-informed and underpaid political aides, office aides, second secretaries who don't run nodes Googling his name to see if he should get an appointment and this is what they see when they Google them the Dennis Porter

fax page I hope so they shouldn't underestimate them him they should know how serious of a deal Dennis is when he walks in their office you know Dennis actually responded to this page he posted a screenshot he loves it

documenting facts about him I love this I think this is funny to me. Like, I think this is good content. I don't know how you guys manage to every week put out episodes of shit, like to have shit from the Bitcoin, you call it the cultural space. We purposely on this show only talk about Bitcoin news for like 35 minutes. We do ads and housekeeping and just shoot the shit with each other for the first 10 or 15

minutes and then do like 35 on Bitcoin. It's mostly Lent, talking about like Bitcoin Corp versus Knots or whatever. you guys find the funniest angles on all kinds of shit. And I do applaud you for that because I think that's fucking hard. Like I don't laugh out loud at almost any shows, but it's pretty rare that I listen to the bugle and don't at least laugh once. So I do applaud you for that. But I want to know like how hard is it to keep coming back to the well every week to find

stuff from like what is, I mean, what most people will describe is like a pretty boring online niche space. No one in Bitcoin is like funny Except for the new people He's got a pack of cigarettes in the video Perfect But like how do you Yeah That's it

Nicotine I mean if you want to If you want to put a hard hitting journalism out there You just got to smoke cigarettes I mean What is the credentials Part of it's the credentials We're both credential

We're both trained journalists Part of it is the cigarettes And for me it's reading Atlas shrugged twice a year twice a year and listen to like 40 hours of Bitcoin

podcast a week I mean maybe you'd be able to talk about Bitcoin for more than 30 minutes a week if you listen to 40 hours

for week I can't I can't do it Rod what are you what are you saying about that? You know in regards to you

I'll think about to Dennis Porter you're talking about like how could Dennis Potter handle these stories about him all the coverage

but I we've been following Dennis Porter very closely for years we know Dennis Porter very well we've seen so much of his content and if you knew how desperate he was for attention you would think that was funny too so we're just giving him the pension he's desperate for and you can make a Chuck Norris fax page about somebody who's desperate for attention and that's a signal right so like people find out how desperate tenant Dennis is like he's trying to browse so many headlines so that chat GPT, like thank you see broke all the stories, all the news. It'll be like the most, he'll probably steal the credit from journalists.

But Pletter, same way. If you go and you look, Pletitor is desperate for validation. He's desperate for a thing. He will take it in any form, even if he acts grumpy about it. And there are so many people out there who are so interesting and talented and have such great unique experience and they're starting podcasts and they're doing on Bitcoin, Twitter, they're making, they're desperate for attention. And I just love to find people who are desperate for attention and give it to them. Because sometimes, you know, you find a lot of

interesting things out when you do. Greaser nods along. I want to talk about the cringe content. This is a pet peeve of mine. I talked about it with you, Rod, when I went on the Google a little while ago. I fucking can't stand it. I tried to make this thumbnail as cringe as I could. And I basically stopped short of what the AI was feeding me because we could have gone even cringier than this with the glowing and the Michael Saylor and the, you know, all these other people in the vaults with the Bitcoin and the gold reserves that aren't there. I can't stand this. I've watched the, by the way, as a result of coming on your show, that Luke Milchick guy challenged me to a debate, a public

debate about thumbnails. Did you guys know this? Did I tell you guys this? No, that's crazy. challenged me to a debate on Julian Figueroa's channel, Kinetic Finance, that channel, about how me not using, I think that it may not just be me, but people not using ClickBate titles and thumbnails is setting back Bitcoin by decades. Those are his words.

I obviously don't agree with that sentiment and that statement, but you guys are in the content game. I almost never hear you really go in on the cringe, even though the cringe is everywhere now even on Ben Sessions' channel BTC Sessions channel has the cringe dumbmail every week the cringe title

and he knows it we talked about it so I don't feel bad saying it on the air what is the what is the deal with this shit and when is it gonna fucking stop we don't we just don't call it cringe

we don't use the word cringe we call it plebslop we call it boomer slop we call it just because something is cringe doesn't mean you like throw out the baby with the bathwater because Taylor Swift is cringe and she's a billionaire. You know, the norie world is full of cringe.

It's not the cringe in it of itself. That's the problem. I don't know. Yeah. It's it's more, it's not as simple as that, but plebslop is really popular. And that's one of the things I've been trying to kind of help them brush out of Bitcoin podcast space is the, is the plebslop. Matthew Cratter, like Bickling University.

No, I'm not against the Nazi point of view or I don't, I made fun of them. But there's a lot of slides slap over there too. And I think that's a problem for them. Well, I mean, I've got this philosophy on life. And I'm very intentional with the stuff that I create and what I do with my time. I don't like to hang out with the plebs. I think the plebs are retarded. And, you know, the plebs are the ones that are, you know, it's like a fly zapper.

Essentially, they're drawn to that blue light. That's what the open thumbnail, mouth thumbnail is. And if we're even going to believe that that's any of the engagements are real on these platforms, who knows? It might just all be AI, you know, bots watching their stupid videos that are drawn to the open mouth. I don't know, but I don't know. I mean, it's like that idea that looks like, you know, you have to use a clickbait bullshit, you know, to set Bitcoin forward. It's, you know, there's a serious problem, which is championed mediocrity, and accepting mediocrity and supporting mediocrity, and sending that as a standard in our society. And I think it's the job of people that are not

satisfied with mediocrity to go out there and try and engage, promote, or create content that isn't mediocre. That's actually creative and interesting. And I just don't, I don't really care about the pleb flop. Like, it doesn't satisfy me. Watching the plebslop is just like, it's a poor use of my time. And I prefer to, you know, really, you know, search for stuff that has value. I've been going on this endeavor, you know, trying to connect and hear people that are creating good music because I like music a lot and I like good music. I don't like bad music. And that's been a fun endeavor, you know, but, yeah, I think it's a responsibility. It's like, are we going to, just ask yourself as an individual, you know, you listen to 40 hours of Bitcoin and

podcast a week you've been in this thing for a while you know the rest of the society is retarded why are they buying government bonds why are they you know doing all these things that are just like panently stupid uh why are they consumed with the taylor swift wedding why is that like the most important thing to them right now instead of listening to when alden say nothing stops his train um it's yeah it's it's it's just it should frustrate you but but not in a way that like derails you it's just like yeah that's that's not what i enjoy so either you know i need to support people that are creating things that i enjoy or create the things that i think are miss it. And there's a place for it. But I just think like championing, like trying to, as

somebody that creates something, trying to adapt to the culture, which I despise is a really bad use of my time. It's not good for me at all. And I think that's where a lot of us, what we've chosen to do with our lives is just try and fit into this culture that's that's sick it's incongruent to our values or or incongruent to who we are as individuals and bitcoin is a catalyst towards uh you know freeing the mind uh for many of us and i just i don't know i mean i'm not going to like like i talk to optimist all the time i like to make fun of him for his thumbnails and uh sometimes his thumbnails are a little bit better um but uh i don't hate on him too much i like to twist his knobs a little bit but uh that's just not how i want

to use my time i mean i think there's this over emphasis on uh worrying what everybody else is doing and getting super upset over it is like you know sometimes you just have to have self reflection look at yourself in the mirror and be like oh I actually need to think about the decisions I'm making instead of just projecting all my insecurities and feelings of powerlessness on the content creators that are shilling sponsors that I don't like or, you know, whatever. Right. And it's, that's a good way. I don't know how to follow up with that except, you know, it's, yeah. It's what?

I don't know I would he kind of covered every base I I it's not that I have a big problem I think with with the way

that the slop brings people in like it's good point I agree there we go you know what I mean like I have a problem with the way that it's like

framed as oh this is the top of funnel stuff that's going to bring people to the content that's really important and you know I don't I don't

think like anyone who clicks on those thumbnails is retarded, you know, they're not going to, they're never going to figure out, like, I don't know what the best products are. Like, they're never going to figure out self custody. They're never going to figure out buying bonds is stupid. They're never going to figure out nothing stops this train. They're clicking the thumbnail because it's a high contrast color in their timeline, like a fly on shit. And that's the experience they have with Bitcoin. I also think this might just be me, but I barely ever watch stuff on YouTube, honestly. I listen to my 40 hours, like you guys recommend, and I don't watch it. And I think that the reason the sort of podcasts that are audio focused turn out so much better is because you're not worried so much about producing stuff that's going to draw in people who are mindlessly scrolling. You can sit there, like you guys do, to be honest with you, you can sit there for an hour and talk about something and go a little deeper on a subject and not worry about, do I have enough people on fire in front of the White House in my thumbnail to

draw in the 20 IQ retard, right? I think that's better for Bitcoin. It's easier to do. And like you guys said, if you've been around a while, you know sort of what the important stuff is and what the important stuff is not. And so, like, you know, if I look at Twitter right now, I can see Ben is doing a whatever feed that's, you know, is it over for Powell and Trump panicking? Like, nothing happened today with Powell and Trump, but that's the title he used, right? To me, I'm like, what like why would you do that it's that doesn't like good for you i would i would push back and say that there was you know a point in time where somebody would have looked at me and said i'm a low ike or retard he's never going to realize why i shouldn't buy bonds and why i should do this company

or why i should invest in this strategy and there is you know people like me how it was people like me through did find Bitcoin by seeing some stupid open mouth thumbnail retarded slop, you know, YouTube video. That was part of what kind of hugged me in and that I grew way out past that. So my point is like, I'm not going to give the open mouth thumbnail cringe, flat slop, AI slop, too much grief because it's bringing people. It brought me in. Who might have judged?

She is watching that slap. But if you can make it. me listen people like a i slap that's a that is a fact of the manner people are going to love it they like the big bang theory they're going to love a i slob and they like you know reality tv shows on network tv so they can be uh advertised to by the pharmaceutical companies they're going to like the a i slob but if you can make content and you can talk them and elevate a conversation to a higher value above a i slob if you have that potential you should do that but if you all you can make is a i slob and that's still all you can make is a i slob and that's still

Orangeville's people. I don't think there's aided wrong with them. Wow. We have so much finite energy and I'm not going to use my finite energy being upset. I think one of the things I that's important to know about what sessions and simply Bitcoin the some of the prime offenders of the open mouth thumbnails even Marty Ben's doing it. All these guys have gone out there. They've built companies and they employee people. And I think that's something to have respect for. It's something that I have respect for and what they've done.

They've left an impact. They've been involved in a market at a really interesting time when the entire media apparatus has been very hostile towards Bitcoin. So, you know, there's things that criticize, but there's also things to appreciate about them. And it's just not, it's not what I want to do with my time. It's not how I want to spend. my time, but I still got a little bit of respect for them. And I just, I just don't really care

about what everybody else is doing. Like, I think I, I, I really, what I really care about is trying to build something for myself in my life. And I think getting weighted down by, um, uh, you know, the, the, the mental energy is something that a lot of Bitcoin people struggle with. is sitting in the peanut gallery, focusing what everybody else is doing. And I think there's kind of like a general lack of self-reflection. Like the reality is, folks,

is you're not going to convince the rest of the population to be retarded. And it's just impossible. It's impossible. Like, if you've been trying to convince the rest of the population to stop being retarded, and you just present facts for them for the series, like you're going to get tired of it eventually. And I think it's important to know your life is really short.

So, like, how are you going to spend it? Are you going to spend it being upset by, you know, Dave Bailey saying buckle up? Or are you going to, like, actually try and go out there and do something compelling? I think where people are inspired is through compelling storytelling and narratives. And you can do that. And hopefully one of the most compelling stories and narratives that you can present is being an example in your own line to showcase it. Right.

And, you know, it's, think about it from a, always look for opportunities to stay humble and like, be cognizant of the, you'll have a low enough time preference. You need to lower your time preference and there's going to be challenges.

If venture capitalists like Marty Bennett have to resort to making open mouth thumbnails to be successful, in this economy, if you think you're above that, well, you need to lower your time preference and start being a little more humble. You know, I actually just got some headshots done for some speaking engagements I have coming up. So maybe I'll start using my headshots in the thumbnail. I got to get Len to do them though. He's not, he's not keen on getting headshots done. Listen, you guys, you guys have been a lot of fun. And I'm glad you came on. I'm glad we had some serious conversations and some

funny conversations. But before you go, I want to know what's next for the bugle. You can't, maybe you can, but you shouldn't just keep doing the stuff you're doing. You should branch out even more. I see you got the music stuff going more and more, like you mentioned. The Twitter account is growing. I hear people talk about you guys on other podcasts that I listen to when I'm doing my 40 hours. And it's clear that what you're doing is sometimes hitting a nerve, other times hitting a funny bone, but it's landing in a lot of different places, probably places that maybe you never intended it to or that you never thought it would. But clearly there's a niche here that you guys are filling well. So what's next for the bugle for you guys? I think people want to know

what's in the pipeline. Go ahead. One of the big things that we've been doing is we've been trying to put out more paid content, like premium content. And I think, think this is important because there's different ways to monetize in the media ecosystem and you know we've been you know talking about one of the ways that people monetize is primarily just like you know generating as many views as possible to extract money from sponsors like that's what the open mouth thumbnail these guys are incentivized to do that they need to click bite because they need they need to eat and they need to help people And I think one of the other ways is you create really compelling content and you convince people to pay for it.

That's good enough to pay for it. So that's one of the endeavors that we've been working on with Fountain. So we just started, we've only been doing that for a few weeks now. Looking at doing live events, that's one of the things. I'm looking at partnering with like a lot of different musicians. I've been doing a music show every other. other Monday night and there's a lot of things in the pipeline that we want to do

but a big part of it is like we can only grow as far as as people support us so we're trying to just make the story more compelling and more interesting yeah yeah I get really let's be honest the we have so many huge ideas we're we want Salmanus the square garden but it comes down to money so we're we're winging for Jerome Powell to lower interest rates because the dugal is what you would describe as a risk on asset a high risk

out we need somebody to invest in us but right now interest rates are just a little too high for the niche uh saying you know or high signal you know i i think you guys are going to be fine and we you know we've dabbled in paid content or talked about it at least in like the discord channel we have and i do feel bad charging like one of the things i like about the sponsors we have is that they're all anti-stupid dumbnail. I think the thing that works for us and would probably work for you guys, not that you have to do this, but when we take a sponsor on, we really think that whoever we have is best in silo.

So easy DNS, if you want to host the website, we think they're the best. Bold Bitcoin, I don't have to tell anyone about them. I think they're the best. And then, you know, the 256 heat, I think they're the best. The Bitcoin Conference in Canada, I think it's the best one. I don't feel bad, you know, getting any of that stuff on my air. And I think the people who listen to the show, because they're not clickbaiters, like you said, these guys have to eat. So they're just pulling from wherever they can in terms of view counts.

For me, it's, you know, can I get the people who listen to this show? Can I get a hundred of the people who listen to this show to buy something from the sponsors every two months, every three months, whatever, or buy Bitcoin every week or whatever the case is? And if you have good listeners, good listener base, you know, with a tenth of whatever your subscriber count is, you can probably do okay. for a sponsor and a sponsor will appreciate that the paid stuff but i'm surprised like it's it hasn't become more prevalent i know fountains emailing a lot of people and trying to get partners but um it's hard man people have no money it's like a difficult thing to tell someone to sign up for something for a few months yeah and you it's the the again last thing on the open mouth thumbnails about how i feel about it i don't have anything you've done some if you're hot

and you want to make sexy open mouth thumbnails i love that i i love that i want you to make sexy open but please just be i think we're at a point in society finally we're we've had enough with everybody's hot everybody's beautiful and no size is not beautiful etc if you're going to make sexy open mouth on meals be hot just be hot and we'll be fine yeah i don't i don't feel bad about asking for or well doing the the premium content because i know our content's good i feel good about our content. I enjoy everything that we put out. I like to listen to because I enjoy it. It's the stuff that I want to see happen in the world. And I think it's important for people

to understand, you know, that the information is one of the most important commodities in the world. I think engaging in the media ecosystem significantly more effective and important than engaging in the political ecosystem. And most people just aren't being represented in that front. They're not active participants in it. Actually, a lot of people are. The Fiat value for value one ecosystem is massive. You look at Patreon.

You look at substack. But the thing that's cool about Bitcoin is, censorship resistant money and it's better money and so you know I think it's important to be it's important for me to be building out this market and to be building out like a use case for these tools

because at some point you know somebody's going to get kicked off of Patreon all their income is going to come off or get crushed you know and hopefully there's a market already there and i know it's unpopular in the bitcoin ecosystem to spend your bitcoin but but how is bitcoin never going to be money unless you spend it and you circulate it and i think uh the the information channels are one of the best ways and most effective ways to you know create that market and and perpetuate it and like if you

If you feel bad about spending your Bitcoin, then go start a Bitcoin podcast and go try and earn Bitcoin. Or do something and try and earn Bitcoin. Like, realistically, it's like there's a lot of people that like to take a passive role and they like to bitch about what other people are doing and expect the world to change because they're buying Bitcoin and they're putting on a hardware wallet. It's like, come on. It's very silly, folks. It's very silly. Like, it's, I think it's important to be an active, to take an active role in your life, to feel good about the what you're doing.

Stop being a pled. Start being a pioneer. Yeah. That's right. The world is now, the world we have found out today that the world is no longer safe for plebs. Yeah. I think that's a fair point, honestly. Yeah, you got to be, you got to be an active participant.

You can't let life happen to you. You got to be engaging with it. Well, let's get you guys out of here. Tell people where they can find the bugle, the podcast, your Twitter accounts, all that stuff. Where's all yours, boys? Pretty easy to find for everywhere. Everybody talks about us. It's kind of a big deal.

Usually it's messed if you find us before we find you. Okay. I've been doing a Noster push. My NPUB is... No, I'm just kidding. Richard Greaser on Noster. Rod Palmer's on Noster. We're on Twitter.

We're pretty easy to find. Bugle News. Bugle. Dot News is a website. And you're a podcast listener. We have the most thermodynamically sound Beacoyne podcast. in the world the bugle weekly we're doing a lot of interesting stuff over there that i guarantee

is unlike anything else you've ever heard before also you can check out my sound cloud actually note my spotify just look up rod balmer on spotify you'll see baker bitcoin summer that's me great album people should be listening to all that stuff should be a party or 40 hours to listen to uh the a i the ai music anyways let's listen good good night and good luck everyone we'll uh we'll talk to you soon