The Canadian Bitcoiners Podcast - Bitcoin News With a Canadian Spin - Prosperity, Masculinity and The Second Renaissance w/ Mike Hobart | The CBP

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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your fees for life for life. A lot of you guys according to the metrics here are like 20 or 25 years old so long time to have 25% off your fees for life, for life. A lot of you guys, according to the metrics here, are like 20 or 25 years old. So long time to have 25% off your fees. Go there, start your stack, start using your Bitcoin, the best in the business. Michael, good to see you, sir. How are you doing? Welcome to the program. What's going on? What's up, Joey? I was just telling you in the pre-show that I'm a little tired. I just had my son born almost exactly a week ago. So I'm enjoying the dad energy, but it's starting to catch up to me getting only like three to four hours of sleep a night. Yeah. I'll tell you, buddy, it doesn't get better for like three months probably, but I suspect that your wife,

much like mine, is stronger than you or I in that your wife much like mine is stronger than you or I in that regard. And it's funny, man, I don't know what your wife was doing before you had your baby there, but my wife was a career type and has since been reset to the factory defaults as I like to say. No longer interested in working, no longer interested in going on a computer, no longer interested in calling people to sell product. It's like a complete 180. Fantastic. Just means I have to make more videos. But yeah, it's great, man. I hope things are going to go the same way for you guys. It's funny. It's people in the chat saying the first three months are the easiest. I completely disagree. People call it the dark ages. Have you heard that too?

I have not. Um, but I also, um, a lot of my friends that go off and like when the, when the kids start popping out, they, uh, they kind of retreat, um, understandably. So I like, I, and I also understand how. I understood how busy they were without actually having exposure to it. Obviously this is my first son, but, um, yeah, it's like they, they kind of just understand how I understood how busy they were without actually having exposure to it obviously since my first son but um yeah it's like they they kind of just fall off the grid and I kind of just let them be and like have their peace and everything I'm not gonna bother them texting them like hey how's the suffering going you know even though you're you're loving it at the same time so

but the funny thing is that But the funny thing is that I don't, I don't, I guess we'll find out, but I don't think, I don't think the three months could really be, the first three months could be the worst. I think I could see them being probably, I could see them being viewed as the, maybe the easiest because it's the most enjoyable. Like you're seeing all the first smiles and everything like that. So kind of all that oxytocin and endorphins and serotonin and all that, that can release kind of like mass all that. And then, uh, then you start getting some of the, you probably start getting some of

the, the, the personality exposure and some of the, um, the fits after that. I could see, I could see it after that. Yeah. The only downside of the first three months is that, um that they're like a potato basically, right? Yeah. They don't talk to you. They sleep, shit, cry, eat, sometimes, you know, multiple at once. And it's funny, you know, you and me are both fit guys.

And one of the things I noticed right away is that I had to, you know, cut back on the time I spent working out and still try to get the workouts in. Obviously it was difficult. Made more difficult by an extremely supportive friend group who it seems all discovered lasagna at the same time and brought like a hundred fucking casseroles to my house. God bless them. But like I never eat like that. I'm sure you don't eat like that.

And I can eat literally anything and not gain a pound. So you say that you'd let me know in three months. How you feel? You start, you start back casseroles. Uh, anyway, that's, that's great to hear. I'm glad to, uh, to hear more Bitcoiners having babies. Let's talk about, um, who, who is Mike Hobart? Um, you, you, I mean, you've been, you've been around for a long time, Mike. And, uh, I know we've followed each other probably a few years at this point. And like I said, in the intro there, I'm surprised it's the first time you've been on the show. I know a bit about you, veteran, and some of the other stuff you've done,

but tell people like, what's the deal with Mike? Dude, that's a really long story because I like giving people like the whole kind of synopsis, but I'll just break it down easily. I started off my adolescence as like a really skinny Tall skinny Like a buck 20 wet kid got picked on all the time because I was kind of like I was I was quiet I was like I was also an artist so I

Was I was known for that but then I don't know like people just didn't really like me because I was quiet I guess and I got into gaming pretty hard and I was actually so I don't know how old you are Joey but I was playing Rainbow Six Vegas on a a clan tournament system that ended up that predated MLG before like before MLG became a thing and then MLG was kind of like we were all calling it like LARPing as like professional gaming and what is MLG major league gaming? Yeah. Okay. Yep. All right. Yeah, and so like one of my one of my highlights of my high school gaming career was a I was getting recruited by a team to go to play a tournament down in Dallas, Texas and there's a $50,000 pot for a five for a

five man team. And I was like, guys, I'm I'm extremely flattered that you want me to go play on your team. But I'm like 1516 years old, my parents already hate how much I'm gaining. And so like, it's just it's just not going to happen. But then so out of high school, It's just not gonna happen. But then, so, out of high school, well, coming out of high school, I decided that I didn't wanna be weak, skinny, and unliked anymore. So I did a number of things.

I started, I asked my dad to teach me how to weight lift and get bigger, because he, like, I always looked at his trophies for power lifting when he was in high school. So I was like, okay, my dad, my dad, my dad knows something. So started started learning from him on that. Started working out, you know, getting picked on because I was wearing a gym shirt. They're like, oh, you work out.

OK, give me give me a break, guys. And then I that's where I started. I decided that I was going to learn how to communicate with people. Really trial by fire, just going into finding ways to get invited to some parties of some people that I did know and just kind of like A-B testing multiple different people on how to communicate with different groups and different types, like girls, jocks, the nerd guys, which I already knew I could talk with, like everybody. And then after a couple years of that, it quickly just became that I was really good

at partying because I inherited a high drug tolerance from my mother. So then that got to be a little problematic. And then because I was getting in the way of my school and everything because I was at university at the time, excuse me. And from there, I decided I didn't like the way that that was going. So that's where I turned to the Army to kind of just rewire and reset, which worked perfectly, by the way.

So you learn a lot about yourself and psychology. If you go through basic training and you're really just paying attention to what they're doing and the effects it has on yourself and everybody else. I don't know where the conversation is gonna go today, but if you ever talk about MK Ultra and all that stuff, like they have it down to a science of how to break down,

like break down the human mind and then rewire them. Cause I came out of that gung ho talking about wanting to go to Ranger school, wanting to become a UH-60 pilot, which is a Blackhawk pilot, like all that. And then I get back in the real world and like the, I kind of get it washed out of my system. But to wrap it up, I was deployed in 2017 to Kuwait and we were told that we were going to be taking care of 72 aircraft. I was an aircraft hydraulic specialist. I was basically a plumber for helicopters.

While we were told we were going to be taking care of 72 aircraft anywhere from Blackhawks, Chinooks to Apaches in support of all the operations in the area, we get there. There's two Chinooks. They've been waiting for parts for six months and there's nothing to do. So I just happened to have come across the whole Bitcoin topic while I was in Fort Hood preparing like mobilizing for deployment. And it was right at the time of the block size wars. And it was the block size wars and it was that was when B cash came up.

And there was like I was learning about like the hard fork and how if I had Bitcoin on Coinbase they give you like the hard fork like off the amount of Bitcoin you had. So that just kicked off like the whole rabbit hole and I started studying Bitcoin. I was probably studying Bitcoin for an average of four hours a day and that didn't stop until, that realistically didn't stop until like 2022 because like the studying slowed down and then I was just talking about Bitcoin on like Clubhouse and everything and then transitioned over to Twitter and Twitter Spaces. But that's the basic synopsis. So gamer, lifter, army vet, Bitcoiner and then I started writing somewhere in between. Do you still game? I want to, like I miss, I miss the excitement of like playing a new game,

but I've tried in the last couple of months in particular to just sit down and play a game and like there's nothing interesting anymore. Like maybe one of the most interesting games now would be like the Elden Ring games but Like I don't want to play a game and just be perpetually enraged by how difficult it is That I will say there are two games that have me interested There's another potential attempt for a fable remaster. So I would like that.

And then I just saw the Witcher 4 tech demo. So that would be cool. But I'm not spending the money to get a new system. The laptop I'm using right now is a gaming laptop that I got on deployment in 2017. So I'm doing the full Bitcoiner, just trying to stretch every dollar I can. That's a good way to live.

I am also excited for the Witcher. I should know. I think the Witcher three is one of the best games ever made. That's neither here nor there, which makes the cyberpunk let down even worse. Let's, uh, let's talk about, let's talk about this book. First of all, I got it. I have to ask you. So knowing a bit about your history, I, I I've read the first 30 or so pages here,

yeah, I'm on page 38. It's a short read and there's a lot in here about, at least early on, what are the problems? Why are we where we are and what the fuck is going on with some of these major contributors? And you mentioned here a few important things like, you know, the idea of moats and the expert class, obviously very popular topic since COVID. There's some stuff in here about DEI and other notes about sort of the fall of American greatness, I guess. And, you know, it's true. Well, it is true that America is not the great nation

it once was maybe. Um, I still think it's a pretty great nation, but you know, maybe we'll get into that. Why, maybe tell me like, why write the book? What is the impetus to write a book like this? This is something I think a lot of people think about, but maybe can't articulate. Was that part of it? Tell me what the, uh, what the rationale was. Yeah. So like, and, uh, if maybe can't articulate. Was that part of it? Tell me what the rationale was. Yeah. So if you haven't noticed yet, I'm really curious to hear what people truly think once they get through the whole book. Because I didn't really write it in a way

of where it was a perfect seamless, like these are the problems. This is the solution. In that first section, I highlighted it's really three core main problems, right? The first one was you mentioned the, I kind of wrapped up education DEI, the moat and the meritocracy America all in one.

Well, primarily one thing I wanted to touch on was the whole meritocracy topic is there is a meritocracy in the US, but it's kind of tiered with different motes in between the tiers. And then it's also kind of a LARP at the same time. And I detailed a couple of the things in there that I figured were super important for people to understand

because it blew my mind when I found out about them. But so like there's the meritocracy, meritocracy and education and the DEI problem. And then another core problem is the food, which, but everybody, so the funny thing with the food and the RFK and the Maha group is they look at the food, but they stop there. Like they don't go, well, where's the food coming from?

Right, because it's not just gonna be at the processor and it's not just gonna be at the piece of produce or the animal. You have to look at where the animal is being raised and what is being fed off of. So I went into probably one of the most boring topics you could ever write about. I tried to make it interesting looking at soil health because soil health in the US is abysmal. I had no idea how bad it was. And I have to give credit to Texas Slim with the beef initiative, because I met him through Bitcoin. And then I started talking about the health problems. Because one thing I failed to talk about my synopsis was I went

to college for exercise science. So I talked to him about the the chronic metabolic on health syndromes and diseases. They're just weighing down America and causing the What are what are the the liabilities on the debt clock? They're like 200 Is it 200 billion something like that? It's gotta be closed higher than that. Yeah, it might be um But so like I was I was one of those ones that was just stuck on the the lifestyle and the food stuff But I didn't know anything about about the whole system prior to it. So I wrote about particularly the farming stuff and how we need to... One of the things, and we can get into this later, one of the things that Bitcoin is really going to fuel, and it already kind of is,

is because it's money that you can have spiteful ownership over where For those that don't understand what I mean by that is you can literally take it to your grave and even in your in even Once you get six feet under nobody can get access to it as long as you were smart with your keys That kind of freedom and then the the mixture of that with immutable transactions. That allows for... I don't think people really grasp how much freedom that gives to people that want to actually start some of their own shit. What I'm really thinking about is if you come across a professional friendship with a guy where you talk about some ideas and say he's got a stack of Bitcoin

and he wants to kind of fund you or seed you a little bit, he can just send you the Bitcoin and then you can go straight to work. Yeah. Right? I mean, there's a lot of stuff in between, but that kind of work around is, I think it's gonna really fuel a lot of very interesting entrepreneurial groups within the Bitcoin space. Look at how many of them love having 3D printers and are making their own guns and stuff.

You just can't get around it. And then the third problem that I highlighted was the power distribution problem in America. The third problem that I highlighted was the power distribution problem in America. I don't know what Canada is like, but America's power distribution infrastructure situation is abysmal. As a nation, I reference the American Society of Civil Engineers. They put out a report card on the entire country for all the different sectors every couple of years. I did see this part in your book. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of my... The power thing is like probably my favorite topic of the whole book. And the ASCE report for, I think it was either 21 or 22, the power infrastructure

grading we got was a C plus. And if you're supposed to be the greatest country in the world, C plus is not acceptable, right? Like I didn't even like having a C plus in college and I was barely spending time in class. But I guess like those problems I wanted to just highlight to really kind of get people into the forefront and I hope by starting with those and then leading into like the philosophical things like, one section you're about to come up on is I actually talk about masculinity and the fiat systems effects upon masculinity. The conclusions that I came to I think will be very easy to follow and probably some systems that most of us weren't really thinking about at the time.

But I think that Bitcoin, all the philosophical cultural aspects, Bitcoin mining's effect on energy and power, I think that those are going to be at the core of fixing a lot of these things. One of the things I can't figure out here in Canada is probably the same in the states a lot of Western nations are suffering from this same epidemic Everyone is living these shortcomings whether it's in the food the power the education the family structure failing The lack of community and and the you know the repercussions of that that way of thinking They're all living the consequences of these things, but no one seems willing to admit

that they're, as a friend of mine likes to call it, that they're living in the slip. Interesting. Yeah. Like, why is that, Mike? Why do people look at their situation and see that there's problems, but remain unable to diagnose why they have the problems they have, whether it's their failing physical health, their failing mental health, their inability to get a job after going 200k into debt.

What is the issue with the diagnostics that most people are trying to apply to their life? Well, why don't more people work out? It's hard for one, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But there's one primary incentive or disincentive that I think drives really the answer to my question to you and your initial question to me. Hit me.

What is it? They're comfortable. Because and I learned this. I learned this with my experience being playing personal trainer for a short amount of time. I learned that I'm not a good personal trainer. I can understand the body very, very well and I could educate people on how the body operates. But when it comes to being a personal trainer, I am dog shit at it because I cannot like the entire personal training sector or industry is based off of clientele that are trying to outsource motivation and inspiration to the personal trainer. And if you if you go through a lot of like the if you go through psychological rewiring like I have,

you realize that nobody is gonna be able to do that for you. You cannot, it's not only can you not actually outsource your own motivation and inspiration to somebody else, you can't produce it for somebody else at the same time. You have to come to the conclusion that you have to change your behaviors in order to get the outcomes that you want, or they will never happen.

And that, for the vast majority of the population, is not ambition, it's not a desire to have more. It's not competition. Oftentimes people will not change their lifestyle or their behaviors until they are forced to by circumstance. And a lot of people that's getting the diagnosis that, hey, you're gonna die unless you start moving more and eating a little bit better,

which is unfortunate because like, it's really not that difficult. It's uncomfortable. It might be uncomfortable, sure, but it doesn't last very long. When you're squatting two wheels like you mentioned in the beginning, when you're squatting two wheels or even a bar if you're starting off like bare bones and you can't do anything like I did. It's, it's uncomfortable, but it's uncomfortable for like 30

seconds. And then you get your rest and you go get a drink of water and you let your heart rate come back down and then you do it again for another 30 seconds. It's really not that bad. The the funny thing is how much people really don't pay attention to themselves. The human brain is designed with a defense mechanism to assume that discomfort and hardship is going to continue into perpetuity in the future to push you to change your behavior, right?

Because it's just like- Is that true? Is there some literature behind that? That's the first time I've heard that. Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite classes in college was abnormal psychology. But, so there's another aspect to it too, which actually kind of feeds into that. I wrote a sub stack about anxiety and depression and ADD. I do not think that any of them are

diseases like the medical industry has as reported. A I think ADD is a superpower. You just have to learn how to control it, right? Just like Superman did. But anxiety is a, in my opinion, is a trigger for changing short term or medium term behavior. Anxiety is like, you know, you have to do that. If you're in college, you have to do that report and you have two weeks to do it. And you know, you need to do it. But you're procrastinating because you just don't want to do it because it's uncomfortable. And it just sounds super boring. So you just keep pushing it off. The

anxiety ramps up every day that that goes by. Because your mind is your mind and your soul is like, hey, like this needs to be done. Like this needs to get done. And it's just constantly there like every what like 15 minutes like, hey, that needs to get done, that needs to get done. Like this needs to get done and it's just constantly there like every what like 15 minutes like hey That needs to get done that needs to get done So you run away from it by getting hits of dopamine or whatever to mask that that sense of anxiety that you have to get Something done Depression in my mind is a very similar mechanism, but it's for lifestyle changes

So like and I went through about a depression like in between the the partying and before I left for the army was I knew that I could do better. I knew that I could do better. I knew that I should be doing better and I knew that I could accomplish a lot more but I just was having trouble getting out of the rut, right? So like those kinds of, I think, I think if you think about those systems, it's pretty easy to see how the mind does kind of, it defensively expects difficulty into the future so that you can, you change your behavior

and change your circumstance so like you're not in a panic state. There's some interesting ways we could go with this. Some will probably get us in trouble and others may not. But I'm not opposed to trouble. Yeah, me neither. What is the show really? If not something that's getting me into trouble. I don't know how much you know about eugenics, but the history of eugenics is interesting. When I think it was meningitis in the early days of meningitis, once it was discovered that it wasn't genetic and was transmissible and treatable, there

was a guy in the UK, in Britain, I forget the guy's name, who basically tried to convince the government that what they should be doing is keeping meningitis in the population as long as possible to get rid of the weakest among them. They went Hitler. Yeah, basically, right? Before Hitler, there was this kind of stuff. And sometimes, you know, in my most cruel corners, I think to myself about like COVID

and I think to myself about depression, anxiety, I've dealt with it. I like I've dealt with anxiety when I was like in my mid twenties, agoraphobia, stuff like that. And you know, like in retrospect, I was able to come out of it pretty easily after, you know, a few years of figuring out like, okay, this is what triggers it. It's manageable. There's nothing, nothing's going to happen, whatever. Right.

Yeah. But there's, you're aware, which most people are not even aware. Well, you have to be, I think. And, and, and, you know, when you're like, as you mentioned there, you can kind of, I think working out helps you. You have like a general sense of awareness about your body and what's happening to your body at all times. Sometimes that's a bad thing. You know, anytime I get like a weird pain in my stomach, I think I'm dying, but that's a story for another time. There's like a, there's a whole other sort of subsection of this idea that people are getting conquered on a regular basis by things that really should have no business conquering them.

Depression, anxiety, ADHD, things like this. And they're medicated for them in ways that I think even if it solves that one problem, that narrow problem, it nerfs the rest of their personality, their soul, like you put it, in a way that stops them from achieving their potential. And this is frustrating for me. And to kind of tie in a bow on this, the thing I'm curious about, and I want to know your thoughts obviously. Part of me says that there's, like we should be leaving some people behind in this regard.

If you find that, you know, the parents that brought you into the world are keen to medicate you and give you the dopamine hit you need and coddle you and all these things, like, what is the likelihood that you will go through 20 years of that from birth till 20 and then find that you suddenly have this desire to go out and conquer, right? The male urge, like the meme goes. What is the likelihood that happens? I think it's very low. But the thing is that if you continue to have these systems in place where those people are, I hate to say the word allowed, but I'm going to, are allowed to remain in society and reproduce and basically produce offspring that are going to be more likely to be reliant, more likely to be

difficult to convince to contribute to society, both culturally, economically, whatever. The point I'm trying to make is, is it possible that we should be just sort of abandoning some people at the stage you know when they're on seven kinds of medication and abolishing these systems that many people would say are supports but I do think there's like a bit of stilt work in there you know like I don't necessarily think that we need, that everyone should be up on that ladder, you know, because I don't think that a lot of people are gonna do anything with it except wind up sucking more resources from society.

That is probably the most harsh thing I've said on this program, but I think about it more and more often now that I have a little one and I see it in Canada a lot. It's frustrating. I wanna know what you think. I don't like the word should in these kinds of situations just because this is a hard part about once you learn enough about enough different silos of study that we're almost all to that point in the Bitcoin space, at least you and I and our peers are, maybe not the entire Bitcoin community because there's

some questionable people. But once you learn enough, you realize how much you don't actually understand. And you realize how much is out there that you don't know yet and how ignorant you are to it and how naive you are to it. So like when it comes to shoulds I try to stay away from them but we're just gonna follow down through it anyway. I gotta kind of agree with you that because like it's I mean I've had a number of friendships throughout my life that, either got forced into burning the bridge because of circumstance and events,

or because they were a ball and chain. And I'm just like, cause Joe Rogan has like a, has a viral kind of clip on it, where it's like, dude, if you're going to keep weighing me down, like, I'm trying to go places. I can't, I can't have you here. You're tethering me if you're gonna keep weighing me down like I'm trying to go places I can't have you here you're tethering me you're holding me back so I get like we gotta go it would because that's the hard part it's a really brutal thing to consider but I think it would honestly it would probably be better for society in general if we had a kind of system like that,

where it's like, hey, if you're not going to, like we, like if you had like kind of like, like a two or three strike system, it's like, hey, we tried to help you improve yourself, but you're not doing it. So good luck. Like go, you're not getting any more support. You can figure it the fuck out on your own

Because most most people they just they just can't they they they can't bring their set bring themselves to develop their own discipline like I said earlier without life forcing them into doing it because they either got a terminal diagnosis or They literally wind up on the street and realize how wrong they were. And that's going to feed into probably all the other stuff that we're going to talk about this evening because it gets into politics, it gets into the economy right now, it gets into dating. And I have some thoughts on how it gets fixed. And like the only way to, in my mind, the only way to fix it is an outcome that nobody wants. Except for those of us that are prepared for it. But yeah, I think I have to agree with you. I think probably the best solution would be

you got to stop, we got to stop coddling people. Because when you're coddling them, you're making them feel comfortable when they arguably shouldn't be comfortable. It's like, you got to change your entire life. Yeah. It's not comfortable. Like, yeah, that's a critical thing. The comfort, the comfort piece. Well, let's talk a bit. There's like, there's a chronological order of some of the stuff you're talking about. So we can maybe start with dating. We're kind of joking back and forth about that yesterday. The dating, um, I really don't know what to say about modern dating. To answer your earlier question, I'll be 38 in September. And so I'm not a dating app baby, but I did have a summer or two where I did have Tinder on my phone. It was before things got really out of control

on Tinder and there was stuff like, you know, the addition of quote unquote travel mode. I'm going on business somewhere and want to network. Like if I ever caught my spouse partner on travel mode on Tinder that, you know, the locks would be changed the house. You know, there was no, there was no nonsense about going back and liking someone after you didn't like them earlier because you've had six glasses of wine it's 2 a.m. the lights are on and you don't feel like

going home by yourself you know it's before all that and to be honest with you Mike I think the biggest difference then was that Tinder was a complementary feature a complementary idea to modern real-life introductions at bars restaurants parties all these things that kids used to do and seem to no longer be interested in, to be honest with you. And so as a result, you get very superficial beginnings to relationships that lead to even the strongest among them erecting castles on shaky ground. And you know, I think you see this in the divorce rate, you see this in the amount of people in couples therapy. You see this in the popularity of polygamy and multiple

partners and open relationships and cheating. And, you know, if I, if I look at all these things, I think I can tie it all back to the beginning of the relationship and if it started on Tinder or not, or if you had some mutual friends or not. Because oftentimes what does it mean to meet somebody through mutuals? It means you share at least some of the same values. You have some of the same friends, you hang out in the same circles, you may be invested in the same community, whether it's a sports team or a church or the local community vegetable

garden, I don't know, whatever else is out there these days. But on Tinder, the only thing you care about is how wet is that hole and what is the proximity to my meat spear here? I think that's fair to say. What do you think? Modern dating, classic dating? Let's talk about it. So I agree with your assessment of the dating app problem

but I think the dating app problem is downstream of Feminism going too far. Oh, yeah, let's do it. And I write about some of this in the book. I First off I want to state that the desire to First off, I want to state that the desire to seek out equal compensation for employees that is blind to sex or race, I agree with. But from where I sit in my chair for the last couple of years and looking backwards. It seems to me that the feminist movement got a series of victories and then picked up momentum. And they're like, oh, we won here. So we're gonna go take that hill next. And then they just continued and

continued and continued because as it gained momentum, more people got out of the way. And also at the same time more people wanted to swing around of getting out of the way and then joining the the march as it goes up. And I think that that has resulted into a situation of where all the black pill and red pill stuff in the manosphere has really picked up. Because I got to say, man, you really can't not see how much women in America. I don't know what it's like in Canada. I'm assuming Canada is very, very similar to US right now.

But there is a meaningful percentage of the female population that is far too interested in being men. But they're trying to be men without the downsides of being men and with all the upsides of being women. So they're trying to cherry pick. It's like, no, no, no, no. If you're going to compete in a male arena, you're going to get all the pros and cons that come with it. Give me some details there. Give me some details there. Expand on that.

So for example, we'll use the military. If you're a female and you're going to go into an industry that is entirely male dominant, like something like the military, especially the combat roles. But you're going to expect the the PT requirements to be different. Like you can get the fuck out the door before you even apply, because like, and this is something we talked about Bitcoin veterans a decent amount, and a lot of women don't like it. And this is something we talked about at Bitcoin Veterans, a decent amount, and a lot of women don't like it. But if you're a female and you're trying to join the boys on the firing squad, and you're about to go knocking on doors and kicking in doors and engaging combatants

in an urban environment, it's the most dangerous kind of combat we've had to date, besides the drone stuff that's started up in the last couple of years. And if you're gonna go into an environment like that, there's a high likelihood that any one of you is gonna go down as a casualty, and you need to be carried out in a moment's notice. If you can't fireman carry a 250 pound guy,

and you're a 120 pound woman, it's like what in your mind thinks that that's a good idea you Immediately you yeah, you immediately weaken the integrity of the team in the unit So that's that's that's just an example there. But another example would be inside the the corporate world where if you're a female and you're trying to say you're a female CEO or an executive and you're trying to compete with men of the same stature or title what's up Torip if you're trying to compete with these guys and you're coming into it expecting them to talk to you differently just because you're a woman like no like the the rules of the game don't change just because you're a woman? No, the rules of the game don't change just because

you're a part of it. You see it everywhere nowadays. It's getting better now, but leading up to last year in particular, it was just ridiculous, the amount of double standards. Because I think a lot of this, because of the whole women trying to be men and then men being feminized by the women trying to be men, I think that a lot has, I lost my train of thought for a second, but I think that a lot has happened in the sense of everybody's kind of forgotten how things are supposed to be.

So like, and like what I'm, what I'm getting at is that like men and women think differently, right? Biologically, biologically we're different where our bodies operate relatively different. I want to stop you there for a second. For people who don't think that this is true, when you are with the same woman for 10, 12 years, not only will you see it, she will see it and you will discuss it together and it will become undeniable to both of you. Once you start opening up about it and you realize that whatever you say is not going

to be held against you, these are the things you talk about. It becomes clear as the relationship grows in a lot of ways. That's the experience I've had and I'm sure you've had it as well. I think anyone who's married probably has that same experience. Yeah. And so after treading water and getting my thoughts recollected, men and women think differently. Men think primarily rationally illogically, which means that we don't adhere to double standards. If I'm expected of one thing, you're going to I'm expected of one thing You're gonna be equally expected of the same thing and then we're gonna compete for it and whoever comes out with the best performance and execution

That's just that's the winner that like we're gonna run with like whatever whatever comes down from that But women being the less rational more emotional side of things The the it seems like the double standards are accepted, right? It's like no no no Women being the less rational, more emotional side of things. It seems like the double standards are accepted, right? It's like, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna compete with you guys, but you have to talk a little bit nicer to me. And you have to not be so brutal with your language and your tone and your inflection.

And it's like, no. You came into our arena. You are going to deal with this the way we have to deal with it. I think that that's true. I'm going to, I'm going to say to Roman in the chat, he's, he's making some comments. I think you can see him too, Mike. I think Mike is saying, Mike is talking about the way that, that, let's say communication is taken in by both sexes. I will, I will point to a different example,

one that might be a little more palatable for people who are kinda coming to this for the first time. In the outputs from the two sexes. If you've ever coached a team, I can think back to years of coaching rep basketball, house league basketball, and I get more support from mothers for my coaching style than from the fathers on the team. Not because the fathers don't appreciate it, but

because the mothers in all the feedback I've gotten over the years, the mothers say to me over and over and over again, when you speak to him that way, he listens to you. I can't speak to him that way. This is a way of articulating that there are certain things that women are better at with their children than discipline, than regimen, than all these, the sort of classical militaristic feedback loops that men need, I think, in a lot of ways. And the women don't respond to that well.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with this. And I see it in the chat there, Roman, that you say there's some irrational men too. I believe that that is the case. But the default setting is not irrationality for men. That comes from, I think you're probably going to say, Mike, that it comes from a society that's been softened by some of the stuff you've been discussing. Yeah, sure, it can be some of that,

but there's some stuff that I wanted to address with Roman's comments too. First of all, with that last comment, there's some irrational men out there. That's a tactic that a lot of women use for a lot of these topics too, that the exception does not disprove the rule, man. Like, yeah, there's some irrational men. There's however many

billions of men out there, there's gonna be some of them that are gonna like stand out a little bit differently than the rest. Like, especially when it comes to the body and the diet and everything, everybody's different. So there's gonna be some men that are a little bit more irrational on the slider than others. So that doesn't really do anything to the argument. But the other thing is that with the coaching example, it is a science for coaching that women prefer democratic leadership,

men prefer autocratic, just tell me what to do, I'm gonna execute to the best of my abilities and then we're gonna go forward. Women want the democratic leader, they want to feel like they're being heard, that they're a part of the decision-making process. Most men do not give a shit. They want the objective to be identified.

They want the training for the precise job that they're expected to perform at. And then they also want to know that their Peers the men on their shoulder are going to perform to the best of their capabilities just like they're expected to It's across the military. It's across professional sports like it's like there's you can not agree with it That's fine, but you're wrong. Like I don't care But like this just and in Roman just one more thing. No, I don't think women need to be barefoot and back in the kitchen That's that's a really Felatial argument like just because I'm saying that they compete in a male arena doesn't mean I'm a misogynist But yeah, it's just it's it's just it cracks me up how

But yeah, it's just, it's just, it cracks me up how people don't like, they don't like what's being heard so they have to feel like just because they don't like it is not reality. It's like, no, I'm sorry. Do you, it's funny you mentioned TRP, the red pill. I have a copy of The Rational Mail. I'll be honest, I haven't read it in probably 15 or 16 years. Rolo Tomasi? Yeah, Rolo's book, among other things from that era. And I kind of look back on TRP. I don't know what it's like now, but then I still remember the first time I opened that subreddit. It might be not even allowed on Reddit anymore. Thinking about the last

few years, I'd be surprised if it was still there. Honestly, some of the stuff that was there. But thinking about it, it basically boiled down to there are buttons to push that you can push and the feedback you get will be difficult to handle because it'll tell you that you should be nicer, be the nice guy, be softer, be kinder, and stuff like that. And you know, that's, it's not actually how you should be conducting yourself in a sort

of dating game. It's the opposite. You should be firm, hard, difficult to read, aloof, unavailable. And the first time you read this, it is kind of funny because it's just no 20 year old guy, at least back then, was following that advice. No, I certainly wasn't. I was listening to what my mom and like all the other women around me were saying. And they just like, they've never dated women though. Yeah, that's a great point. And so when you realize that

the feedback you're getting from the target of your affection is actually the opposite of what you should do, it's jarring. But it does in a lot of ways, much like Bitcoin, by the way, open the door to the question, what else am I getting in terms of advice and feedback that's actually hurting me? And you see this all the time, whether it's stuff like, yeah, like it's everything. It's like even, even shit like, you know, should I have a, like, what is a balanced diet? You know, like what, when you say, I need a balanced diet, what, what is that? You know, is it a food pyramid was a scam? Just like, just like a diversified portfolio. Yeah. Like, you know, like what, what are we

talking about here? And you start to look at all these things and wonder what else is just not true. And why am I being given information? That's not true. And who's benefiting from this information that's being given to me and turning me into this, uh, you know, pudgy Michelin man, bringing flowers to a first date type, you know, what, what, what's who's benefiting from this? It ain't me. It ain't you.

So who is it? And you start asking these questions and it leads you down a path that can either be so jarring that you retreat or so jarring that you push on and want to see how the story ends for you and for everyone else. And so I think that there's a lot to that. And it's maybe a conversation for another time. I want to talk a bit about, I think the natural next step is, uh, the sort of decline in masculinity. We talked a bit about dating. We're kind of going this way anyways.

Um, the, the feminization of the modern world has been, I think by all accounts. A disaster. And I, we don't often go down this road on the show, but since I have you, we may as well, I look at, uh, the number of women who are admittedly unhappy, the number of women who admittedly have mental health problems, the number of women who have sought out mental health medication, like SSRIs, as we mentioned before, the number is 50%, I think among 35 to 50 year olds and climbing. It is even higher in terms of depression, body dysmorphia and things of this nature. And younger women, as young as 10 and 11 years old, there's data behind this.

What happened, Mike? And when did it start? I don't, I'm sure you understand how- Woodstock? Are you going to say Woodstock? I don't know if I would say Woodstock. I was just saying, I'm sure you understand how big of a question that actually is. I do, of course. So there's a lot going on. There's obviously the endocrine disruptors and the BPAs like Shanna Swan's talked about. I don't know if you've talked about that before on the show. Never, never. So real quick for those that don't know what it is, I can't imagine anybody hasn't heard it,

but BPAs are forever chemicals and forever chemicals tend to also be EDCs which are endocrine disrupting chemicals and the endocrine system is your hormones. And the EDCs and the BPAs are oil or petroleum based which means that they these products tend to either leech or mimic estrogen or progesterone. It might be both. It's one or the other. Both of those result in higher estrogen within the body and disruption of natural hormone balancing systems within our bodies. And that can lead to greater feminized development within men and women, but then you also have to consider contraceptives

because contraceptives Since the way it operates for those of you fellas that have never talked to a female about what contraceptives are and how they work It's basically just causes the body to overproduce estrogen to the point of where it just kind of rejects their their egg when it comes to their their time of the month. And it often results in increases in breast size. It causes what they're looking for in a mate to shift. That's a huge thing. That's a huge thing. But okay, and that's going to feed it. That's going to be a feedback

on the other part of this where a lot of that, not a lot, but that excess estrogen is making its way into the water table through the toilet. Because it's getting pushed into the water system through our plumbing, that ends up down in areas like in the rivers or in the Gulf of Mexico. Then it ends up in our food, it ends up in our water, which our water gets dumped on our plants, ends up in our soil. If it ends up in the soil, ends up in the plants,

like I just mentioned, and then the livestock eat it, and then we eat the livestock and we eat the plants. So it turns into this giant system of where we're constantly recycling and accumulating estrogen. On top of that, which is also relate that how that mechanism works is also how SSRIs work. SSRIs for those that don't know what it stands for is selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. That means that it blocks the serotonin from being cleared from the synapse so that the body produces more serotonin even though there's already serotonin there so people feel like they're more comfortable That's a problem that I think is primarily a feminine problem because women tend to seek out

comfort a lot more than men do like men like thanks to testosterone we're we're driven to Compete and just competing in general is uncomfortable. That's right. Testosterone, Huberman put it the best, I think, for people who have trouble articulating what it's like to have a testosterone high. It makes difficulty enjoyable. And women just don't have that.

They don't have that chemical at the same level we do. Yeah. Well, actually, so funny enough, actually women tend to experience, I can't remember, I haven't officially looked this up yet. So this might be- This will be in the second edition of the book, by the way. Yeah, but I just recently heard from one of those podcasts that I listened to between Huberman, Joe Rogan,

like whatever doctors I can find that women can actually have more testosterone than men, it's just that their estrogen levels are so much higher than ours are. Right, okay. Because another interesting fact is that now this I do know because of my exercise science and so exercise science I learned a lot but

I learned even more during the personal training certification so that's another jab at how much of a scam the university system is. But women when they're working out they actually experience a higher shot of testosterone than men do. We just have a higher consistent level of testosterone on an ongoing basis. So that supports more of our muscle development and muscle toning and getting tighter and everything. But back to the topic at hand, why everyone's getting feminized. Then you also have to look at... So one thing that really negatively affects everybody, men and women is cortisol,

which is the stress hormone. Since we're going back and forth talking about health and fitness, cortisol is not all bad. Nothing in the body is all bad. There's no such thing as carbs are like the devil. Like you need carbs, like your body will make some, but there's nothing. It's all moderation. Safety and tears are ringing right now, by the way. Yeah, that's fine. But so cortisol, when it's experienced in high potency and in chronic states, it actually is very detrimental to health because cortisol is a catabolic hormone, which catabolic means it breaks down organic tissue. And the body uses cortisol to, like if you're in a

highly stressful environment, like say you're a combat operator or you're dealing with some domestic problems at home and you're kind of freaking out or panicking or you're dealing with finals or whatever. Cortisol kicks up and it causes your body to break down some organic tissue to yield energy so you can continue to work and alleviate that anxiety that we were talking about before so then you can calm down and go back to go back to rest like you need to. But when it stays too high it starts to really mess up a lot of shit. And there's a belief in the health world, it's called the dual hormone hypothesis, that there's a belief that testosterone and cortisol have a kind of like give and take relationship. To where if cortisol is super high, testosterone takes a dive.

And then if you're calmed down your testosterone can be higher which if you listen to even a fraction of as much Andrew Huberman as I have that sounds like it makes sense because if you're sleeping right if you're eating right if you're managing your stress and everything else testosterone levels tend to go up where they need to be. Now where that cortisol is coming from and I touch on this in the book, is I think a lot of it's coming from the fiat system. So we've got a problem in the US or around the world with fiat currencies of how because you're there, the politicians and the bankers are just printing dollars as much as they

want for whatever they want. It's forcing the rest of the population that's in the middle class and lower to have to constantly work harder for a currency that is consistently losing purchasing power, right? But the purchasing power is dropping like a rock faster than wages are compensating for it. Wages have been stagnant for like, than wages are compensating for it. Wages have been stagnant for like, what was since the 70s. So that'd be 50, almost almost 60 years. Yeah. So wages have been stagnant, but inflation and currency debasement has been up and to the right almost parabolic at this point. And on top of that, when you have a system like that, and then how I mentioned the infrastructure problem with the power and energy distribution in the US

When you have the currency being radically debased at an aggressive pace Wages are stagnant. The power infrastructure grid is not efficient anymore, especially following all the DEI crap affecting like how companies are capable of producing efficiently and companies are capable of producing efficiently. And you throw in the fact that we've got all this renewable energy garbage that is not efficient at all and it does not produce power at the greatest demand of the day. Like it doesn't, it should not take a whole lot to see these kind of pieces lined up of like there's not, there really isn't anything making sense here. So you got the currency, the basement, you got the wage stagnation, you have the inefficient power and energy grid, which the power inefficient power and

energy grid causes the cost of power to go up. Because if you're so like, for example, wind and solar, they produce power at the height of the day. That's their that tends to be their most effective, right from like 11 to kind of like two or three in the afternoon. But the peak demand window is from like five to nine, right? So your peak production is like coming down and then rises coming down, your peak demand is ramping up. So when you're doing that,

you're not utilizing the electrons in an efficient manner to where you would get the most cost basis out of each electron that you're producing and distributing. And when you're doing that, then you're relying on something that's called a peaker plant. So peaker plants are called peaker plants because they produce power from their power plant at the peak demand. And the way they make money is that they remain idle, consuming like 20% of their resources, waiting for the moment where they're called up

to step in the gap. And they make bank off of it. They're almost all entirely coal or natural gas. And down in Texas, they'll charge like $5,000 per megawatt hour. Yeah, like something like that. It's insane how much money they can make. Famously Buffett, big picker plant guy, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they literally print money just for waiting around for a system that is constantly rebuffing their job security. Right. It's like, yeah, you guys can produce all the solar and wind you want. Because guess what? Buffett was also big into the solar and wind stuff. Yeah, because of all the subsidies and everything. So we have a radically inefficient system that the cost of power is going up, cost of power going up, causes cost of goods and services going up. Then you have you have the currency debasement, which means less dollars or more dollars

to buy less goods basically. And then you have the government increase swelling at a aggressive clip since the 70s, introducing more and more bureaucratic systems that slow down the efficiency of a market. And then slowing down the efficiency of market, increasing the amount of regulatory bodies that you have to push all these different companies through.

Like for example, the ridiculous emission standards for internal combustion engines. For vehicles, yeah. Yep. Causing the cost of vehicles to go up, including with all the chips and everything else. That it basically results in the average individual, like our grandparents could own a home, own a vehicle, invest money off of one salary in the house. Yeah.

Now the average jobs per two adult household is 2.3. Okay, that actually might be different because that was based off of data last year when I was finishing up writing the book. That means that on average there's at least one adult that has two jobs per two adult household. Yeah. And so if you want to talk about cortisol, that's just from like that system, right? But then you look at how, then you have to look at how much our bodies are being exposed to the blue light. The blue light can kick off cortisol because it's kind of like masking your stress. Well, it's not necessarily masking your stress. That's not

entirely accurate. What the blue light's doing is stimulating dopamine release, which is keeping you awake later and later into the night. Why does blue light do that? When you say blue light, I think of phones and computers. Is there a better way to describe blue light than that or no? I think it's probably the best way because we're all interacting with it on a consistent basis. So we get a little bit of blue light from the sunlight, but we don't get nearly as much potency of blue light as we do with our screens. light. But we don't get nearly as much potency of blue light as we do with our screens. Okay. So it kicks off a dopamine release in the body, which makes sense because before screens were around, the body wants to be incentivized to get up and move during the day.

So the sun hits your skin, you produce vitamin D, and then you also produce the dopamine release because it makes you feel good to be in the sun as long as it's not you know 130 degrees like I was like it was when I was in Kuwait that like you're like okay yeah I like it feels good to be in the sun I want to be here I want to get up and do something if you're a guy you want to get up and make a kill or improve your shelter or go find a mate or whatever but the the blue light from the screens is causing up to be awake longer and later into the day. So that means that you're awake longer, so you're not sleeping enough, which means your

cortisol levels are staying high. And then you're also staying awake later into the night, which is completely antithetical to how your body is designed to operate with the circadian rhythm, which also increases your cortisol levels. So I go through all of that, to kind of describe how it's we just had like the Fiat system is just a giant cortisol pumping machine. And then you mix in with like the the the BPA is in the EDC is like we talked about there increasing the estrogen levels, you got all the cortisol levels getting tapped out on everybody

else. Then you have the fact that all like all of cortisol levels getting tapped out on everybody else. Then you have the fact that all like all of our jobs are relying on computers and shit. Yeah. So we're not getting outside and moving and stimulating testosterone and growth hormone release. And then you get into the fact that our food is not as nutrient dense as it used to be. So the the food that our grandparents were consuming in the 1940s Had seven times the nutrient density of the food we have now But our foods bigger So that's one of the big problems with a GMOs Are making foods that are bigger, but they have less nutrient density to them

And then on top of that what I mentioned with the soil before, there's less nutrient density in the soil. So if there's less nutrient density in the soil, there's obviously going to be less nutrient density in the food, even though it's bigger. So all of these systems are feeding into this, this very out of whack balancing system that is causing a flood of estrogen in our men and women and it's causing a I would say suppression of the male sex hormone testosterone because one more thing which I also touch on in the book I'm not trying to put everything that I talked about because I do want you guys to go buy it sorry shameless plug but one of the other things too is that, uh,

with the feminist movement, you got women talking about like toxic masculinity and whatnot and how like, how shit and terrible men are and everything else. And the rise of single mother households. Think about what that does to a young boy's mind. Oh, big time. Of where he's hearing it from his mom. He's hearing it from the female teachers at school because like, what is it? Like 78% of teachers are female.

It's extremely high. Yeah. Yeah. You got the single mother saying it. You got the teachers saying it. You got Hollywood and Disney saying it. You have politicians saying it. You have business women and entrepreneurs saying it. You have business, business, women and entrepreneurs saying it. Like, there were there,

I can tell you, like from the point of where I started paying attention at like 13 years old, you couldn't get away from how terrible men were at everything. Yeah. Right. And think about what that does to a young boy's mind, where he can't get away from the fact that he's a man, so he's automatically a piece of shit. Like that doesn't really make you want to try and max out your manhood. No, no. And then the fact that over the last 20 years, women have successfully invaded every single male space that we have.

There's something to that. I really do feel strongly about that last point. I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said there, Mike. I think this is like, and you know, there's a lot of people out there who say, well, prove it, your literature. I've been relying a lot on the phrase, what is understood does not need to be further discussed.

And I think that all these things are just plainly understood by people who are paying any attention. The mail spaces thing, I think is a unique problem because much like during COVID, you couldn't discuss in mixed company the efficacy of vaccines or the origins of the virus or whether or not. It didn't come from a bat or a penguin. Yeah. You know, it's weird. You know that thing a mile down the road, but you're telling me it was a guy who got

some bat souffle or something at lunch one day. I just don't buy it. And the thing is people need to remember that and need to remember how important the conversations they had around their tables were. The conversations they had in their text chats, in their group chats, in their clubhouse spaces, whatever. And how those conversations led to a broader awakening and understanding about where the problems actually were, how those vaccines were not what we were sold.

And this is not controversial at this point. If you still think it's controversial, you cannot be helped, sir or madame. And so when people talk about the invasion of male spaces, there's something to that because guys, you know, you're a gym guy, I'm a gym guy. I used to joke with my buddy when we were in our early twenties that the gym, now that I'm looking back on it almost 20 years later, really was like the dojo. You know, you go there and you're bouncing ideas off a buddy you trust and he's telling you what he's seeing. You're telling him what you're seeing and you come to some conclusions that later become

entrenched and understood and become the, the, the cornerstone for the way that you carry yourself and view your place in the world and view the world changing around you. But you can't have that conversation in the classroom or at the workplace or now even at the gym and part of me, the locker room, sir. Yeah. Don't get me started. Uh, part of me still says that the biggest problem we have, honestly, like if you really were to boil it down to brass tacks is that guys want pussy and they can't figure out how to get it. And they're going about it all the wrong ways and it's damaging their outcomes even more. They don't realize how to, they don't know how to fix it and so they end up, you know, soft honestly and the toxic

masculinity bit, it's crazy to me that anyone thinks and there are men and women who think that toxic masculinity is a problem, almost unbelievably so, but it is the case that these people exist on both sides of the spectrum. You know, for you to think that masculinity now is toxic, you know, you should have seen masculinity in the 80s, in the 70s, in the 60s. And there's a case to be made that that was really the golden era of almost all Western nations. Europe, the UK, Canada, America. This was the time when people were the happiest, when households were the strongest, when families were considered, you know, sacred, untouchable,

and when schools were producing some of the greatest accomplishments that the modern world's ever seen. And there's no doubt we've gone backwards in almost every regard in terms of like academia and family life. There's something to be said about the rise over the last two, three years of women on social media making gag videos about the first ever feminists, you know, like if I was there when the first woman wanted to go to work I'd tell her to shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, don't say that, do not say that, you know. Well that's actually what happened. Yeah. Have you heard that? Have you heard that stuff about how they were, they were, they were

polling American women, I can't remember what era it was, but they were pulling American women on, uh, whether they, they were for suffrage or not. And the majority, the vast majority of American women were like, no, I don't, I don't want the right to vote. So they ended up, they ended up not allowing women to vote in the poll on whether they got the right to vote. And they only asked men. Is that really? That's how that's how women's suffrage was established. Yeah, I know that. Wow. Yep. I've heard this story obviously of you know, people say well women didn't get the right to vote until 19 whatever year it was I forget but

and you know men got the I think the the broad vote the same year. It wasn't universally accepted before that, you know, so. So it's an inconvenient truth there. Okay, so we spent an hour and 10 minutes here talking about all the problems. The book is called The Second Renaissance, not the next 50 years of issues that we have to deal with. So, I mean, what is the second Renaissance?

What is gonna bring about this reclamation of prosperity in the decentralized age? I'm curious. It's a big hill to climb, Mike. There's a lot of ways to climb it and a lot of things need to be done. How does it happen? So, um, the, the best part is, is that if you guys like the more you guys pay attention to like problems that we've discussed here or problems that you come across in your life.

The problems might be complicated or complex, but often oftentimes the solutions are are simple in idea of just difficult in execution. So what I'm kind of getting at is there's another aspect to the the male masculinity problem, which I didn't touch on was all all that stuff that we were discussing earlier Has resulted into a prevalent problem of nihilism To the point of where a lot of our guys are I think are just giving up like they're just they're sick of it They can't they haven't been able to figure out why they can't get a girl why they can't get a good job Why all the girls are getting the good jobs? why they can't get a girl, why they can't get a good job, why all the girls are getting the good jobs. Like all these things. So they're just skipping everything. They're not going to go

do leg day. They're going to stay at home, play video games, try and make it as a streamer and smoke weed all day and just eat whatever they want. Which by the way, I've got nothing wrong with THC. I partake in it every once in a while myself. But the point is you don't overdo it. And so I think that denialism is primarily downstream of the economic problems and the financial and fiscal problems. The best part is that I think right now, and I think for a long time, Bitcoin is going to be best served financially for

the average individual as a savings vehicle to generate wealth. And by that, I mean, if you're going to put money in this, if you haven't read, let's see if you guys see that, if you haven't read The Richest Man in Babylon, you need to go get it. It's probably like 10 bucks. It's even shorter than my book, which is which is hard to believe Your book on Amazon pressure is a dollar a page. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, so It is three pages shorter than my book

So the richest man of Babylon is a very very simple strategy in generating wealth and also getting out from under debt, where you pay yourself 10% first and then everything else goes to liabilities and the cost of living. That's it. And you just stay consistent for a while. You accumulate that 10% over however many years, get all your debts taken care of, and then you continue to do that, live below your means, and you will end up in a very, very dope spot in a couple of years. But just like with working out and health, like we talked about earlier,

most people can't bring themselves to do that because they're like, well, I need my door dash. Like, no, you don't, because guess what? Eggs are a super food. You can eat some eggs, broccoli, and maybe like some meat every once in, broccoli, and maybe like some, some meat every once in a while and you get some fruit and guess what? Like you're going to, you're going to be saw it might be boring, but I suck it up. Like you have other problems.

It's only boring because you're accustomed to the insane amount of research that goes into a slice of pizza from Domino's to make you want another one. That's the only reason you think eggs are boring. Eggs are not boring. Chicken is not boring. Broccoli is not boring. The only reason you think that is because you're accustomed to the slop. Anyway, continue. Yeah. And the instant gratification. But so what I'm getting at is like using Bitcoin as a wealth generation strategy as a savings vehicle, I think will save a lot of men here in America if they just shut the hell up, learn a little bit, put enough money into Bitcoin for a number of years

where they don't have to put them, or they're not putting themselves in financial straits, dire straits, because they're trying to throw too much of it at once, because they're trying to throw too much of it at once, because they're trying to, they're like, oh, I have to make this really, really fast. And like, if I don't do this, I need to day trade it because I'm smarter than the market,

then you'll lose everything. And like, no, like just put on the DCA, make sure it's going to a good wallet that you've got. Set it and forget it, go take care of the rest of your life, get everything in order, make your bed, like Jordan Peterson says, and then kind of like check on it periodically. Ignore the market noise because 99% of the world is just noise. Most people's opinions, they're just as dumb, if not dumber than you. They don't know what they're doing. Just figure out what you need to do to get taken care of and I

Like just figure out what you need to do to get taken care of and I promise you your life will improve that's one aspect of like improving like the kind of Masculinity issue that we're dealing with The other part would obviously be working out not the other part, but another part would be working out Guys get out there and deadlift like if you can't at least deadlift your body weight, like if I'm pretty sure the statistics are, if you can deadlift your body weight, you're in like the top 5% of the population in the world. Is that right? The bar is that low? Yeah, it's, it's very, very, very low. There's no adult male who should be

deadlifting less than two 25 after like a month of practice. It's really the easiest. It's like, you know, the most frowned upon lift by the science based lifters, but depending on where they're starting from. Sure. Sure. Um, cause if you're, if you're a guy who's never lifted a weight in your life and you're like 35, like it's going to take a little bit longer to get there.

Cause I'm assuming if you haven't, if you haven't lifted a weight in your, in your life and you're 35, your posture is gonna be all jacked up. You gotta work on that first, otherwise you're gonna blow a disc and nobody needs that. So there's that aspect, get your finances right, get your health right, because the working out also implies

you're gonna at least start to marginally improve your nutrition. If you're genetically blessed like I am, you can kind of get away with having to eat super clean all the time because... so here's another thing that I like to talk about because it's very very important for like the psychology of like working out and everything. The way people think about bodies, I think is wrong. If you're an individual that packs on weight easily, it's not that there's something wrong with you.

It's that your body is just very, very efficient at energy capture and storage. That's really all that means. So if your body is extremely efficient at energy capture and storage, you need to increase your body's natural and consistent energy expenditure. The best way to do that is to increase your muscle density. So if you are overweight or you want to like slim down a little bit, stop running for 30 minutes to an hour, it's basically ineffective after doing it one day a week. And it's just boring as all hell. Running just, I hate running.

It doesn't make sense to be running, especially outside. Bad for your knees, bad for your hips. There's better ways to build a machine. Yeah. So stop running all the time. Walking is phenomenal. Go out and walk. But if you really want to do the right thing

for your body, go out and lift some heavy shit a couple of times a week. And then you come back home, make sure you're getting your protein and all that stuff. You can manipulate the fats and the carbs so you're in a caloric deficit and lose the weight faster if you want. So that's the health aspect. The people that put on weight, they're a very efficient energy capture people like me that don't put on weight easy. I am not, I am not efficient energy capture at all. My body burns through fuel. Like there's no tomorrow.

So I have to, if I want to gain weight, I have to eat the math. Last year was, uh, I have to have to eat 4000 calories per day, depending on how hard I worked out during the day. So if I, if I were in, I'm really bad at pacing myself and working out. So I try to I try to redline it like every single time, which is not like not maybe not the best. I mean, it's not the best. I'm being a little facetious. It's not the best thing to do. But I just like it and it's fun. But so like if I have a I tend to have anywhere from like an like a 700 to 1000 calorie workout each day within like 4500 calories and that can be pretty hard to do if you're eating just whole food stuff. Like, I kept finding myself oftentimes I'd have to get fast food just to get enough calories

to fit into the day. Otherwise, it's kind of like a moot point and I'm still losing weight. But so like that's we got the finance with Bitcoin because I think Bitcoin will like really change a lot of people's lives doing it that way, fixing the health and everything. But then the other part of the Renaissance, which is tethered to Bitcoin, is what Bitcoin mining and now HPC and AI are doing for the whole energy space. So pricing is downstream of energy. If you, so like something that I talk about in the book is that one thing that makes Bitcoin standalone from everybody else with power consumption is that

Bitcoin mining is a highly competitive market for energy that, um, is perpetual 24 seven, three 65, no holidays. We want all the power we want. And then anything that you're dreaming about doing in the next 10 years We also want all of that. Mmm That kind of demand is not something that the energy world is used to They're used to so I discussed the solo model in the book and I'm not really gonna go into it, but I want you guys to like, kind of like, you can even YouTube it and think about how the solo model

can play with the cost of maintenance on a power grid, power infrastructure grid, and the need for more and more demand. But one of the most interesting things that I made sure to put in the book is, so when it comes to expanding energy and power infrastructure we kind of have to do it so the population is gonna go like up into the right a little bit like at a curve right or the law of large numbers is gonna go up rapidly and then start to

peter off I should be going the other way actually if I'm saying up to the right we get it yeah but so so population is going up into the right large law of large numbers, it starts to diminish a little bit like every like decade or so. But in order to expand power infrastructure, it's like we don't we don't do a curve, right? We're not constantly just like adding a little bit here a little bit there, we tend to have to do things in a step function where we're going to rapidly expand, we're going to chill out for a little bit there, we tend to have to do things in a step function where we're going to rapidly expand,

we're going to chill out for a little bit as like we kind of meet like where we're the minimum effective threshold is and then we're going to rapidly expand and then it's going to Peter, it's going to plateau for a little bit. With Bitcoin mining and the perpetual demand and the highly competitive demand, it means that we and the reason I have to wheel back the reason for that step function is that we are not trying to jack up the market for electrons because if you overproduce the infrastructure in the in the production capacity you drive the amount of electron the supply of electrons down

with uh with the consistent demand and price goes down. So this is where Bitcoin mining really comes into shine to where you have the the perpetual competition and the perpetual demand. So we can bring all these Bitcoin miners in the space like hey we want everything we will pay you for all of it we'll do a joint venture operation which is what most of them are, where they're going to split the Bitcoin revenue. And then they also some of these places are like the municipalities are giving them contracts to where they'll shut off and they'll they'll get reimbursed with like energy credits like riot to where like they shut off

at the most important time of the year. And all of a sudden, riot has all of their their their power for the next year paid off. That's right. So that if you don't think that's massive, like I'm sorry, you got some books to read. But other than that, a lot of these miners also have financial departments that are like hedging and they're playing the options and derivatives markets on the price of energy

that they're buying already. Is that right? The miners have that? I didn't know that. Oh yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. And then what's also coming down the pipe that Hash Rate Index or Luxor has been working

on is they're working on financial products like that for hash rate too, forwards, forward future contracts to where they're forward selling hash rate or energy to somebody like 10 years out at specific pricing and then markets are playing that where they'll they'll sell it back to somebody later after a certain event happens and the expectation goes up there there's a wild entire like derivatives market just based off of 10-year futures contracts. Really? Yeah. If you get the opportunity to talk to Lisa Huff, you should definitely try to ping her. Maybe I'll send her a message. Yeah. Yeah. It is fascinating. Even going on YouTube and just looking up forward curves, that's kind of what we're getting at.

So you've got these guys all playing this and they're trying to buy up as much power as they can to fuel their Bitcoin mining to get as much Bitcoin as they can. What this allows for with all of that demand and that 24-7 running, it allows for producing more power plants than we technically need. So then you can overproduce the infrastructure. You can flood the market effectively. You can flood the market with electrons because when you do that, so say society needs 50 megawatts. We're just going to make it super easy. Society needs 50 megawatts of power for the average day to make sure everybody has more than enough power to where there's no

brownouts, no fluttering of the lights and anything. But then Bitcoin miners come in and they're like, hey, we also want 50 megawatts of power. So now your capacity is at technically 100, your societal demand is 50, and then Bitcoin miners are taking the difference. You can effectively now, like in an area, like in a situation like this, the municipality is going to make deals with the Bitcoin miner of yeah, we're going to give you the 50 megawatts of power, but as society grows and we develop, you're going to agree to curtail your demand so that the society, the community around you can continue

to just do what it needs to do. Right. Right. And so when you do something like that, it effectively means that you're over producing the infrastructure to be able to maintain society expanding and then society can kind of catch up while you're still, while you've got more than enough power.

It effectively in theory should mean that blackouts are like Non-existent we should mean that they never happen. Yeah, and then while you're doing that you can also be Rapidly or radically increasing the amount of power infrastructure you're developing at the same time Because not only are the Bitcoin miners gonna want to continue to buy up 50 megawatts of power But then more Bitcoin miners gonna come out of the space and to continue to buy up 50 megawatts of power, but then more Bitcoin miners are going to come out of this space and they're also going to want 50 megawatts of power. So that really, in my opinion, that's probably where the core of the Renaissance idea is really coming from.

So Ryan McLeod, who's the nuclear Bitcoiner on Twitter, you may recognize that name. I think he's been on Preston Pitch's show and other shows talking about just wait until utilities start to finance power projects with bit bonds. This is the bit. It's not. And I think people are under pricing the significance of these things. You're going to find more and more people are willing to go down this road as Bitcoin gains status as like, you know, a pristine asset.

Still not there. It's closer than it was a year ago, but more and more of these guys, especially are willing to go down this road as Bitcoin gains status as like a pristine asset. It's still not there. It's closer than it was a year ago. But more and more of these guys, especially power companies, because they deal in commodity trading, obviously. They realize that the true value is in these markets, not in the fiat markets. They may not be able to articulate it yet, but they understand this implicitly in their silos. So I mean, I'm looking forward to all this stuff. And that was a great explanation, Mike, of the mining and baseload relationship that you're going to start to see in communities and in jurisdictions that accept Bitcoin. Here in Canada, famously, we have a lot of excess hydro here.

And we just, I think, gave the boot to Bitfarms a year or two ago. We have provinces that won't touch Bitcoin. The only real exposure our country has to Bitcoin is the Quebec pension fund invested in FTX not once but twice, series C and D, I think. Yeah, huge mistake. Sacre bleu, as the French would say. So yeah, not great. But we'll fix that. We'll fix that. Mike, you didn't? So there is an interesting example that you can look to with CleanSpark. So CleanSpark, I think it was August of last year at their investor relations webinar, they shared the town that invited them in to use the power from their nuclear facility because of what

CleanSpark was doing with the demand curtailment like I mentioned of where they were buying up the power, but then as demand kind of reached the peak threshold, they curbed off. Yep. And it caused the demand curve to go down, which that avoided the increase of power pricing by so much that they actually lowered the average cost of a kilowatt hour for their community by 11%. How about that? That's a winning strategy because there's no better PR than more money in people's pockets.

Yeah, exactly. So they're there, we just have to highlight them and look for them. Yeah, there's going to be times when we still run into brick walls, I think, in some of these legislative bodies. Yeah, but eventually the opportunity costs will be too great not to embrace mining and Bitcoin broadly. But I mean, we're still aware we just have to make them look stupid, consistently enough to the point of where they realize that they have to cave. Yeah, it's not that hard.

No, it's not. Did you do you have any parting words for for the the audience here? We've, you know, we've talked about quite a bit and I suspect that I will get some feedback on this episode. Some of it will be positive, some of it will not be. But I will say that one of the reasons I invited Mike on is because I think we are aligned on many of these things and it's difficult to discuss these things, like we mentioned, in spaces that are unfriendly to uncomfortable ideas. And yet, here we are at the end of an hour and a half,

both of us upright and no worse for the wear. And you as well, listener of you, are upright and no worse for the wear. So keep that in mind before you throw your tomatoes at Mike or myself. What are your parting words there, Mike, for the faithful? My parting words would probably be a bit of wisdom that I wish I would have heard when I was an adolescent.

If you come to a conclusion that is that you think is probably best for your life. Do not listen to the opinions of others. best for your life. Do not listen to the opinions of others. People have an unfortunate tendency to try and convince others around them that are making them feel insecure. They try to convince them that they're wrong. Yeah, like from I had multiple different groups in my drinking years that I would talk about trying to you know like learn more about investing or entrepreneurial stuff. They're like oh dude you don't need to do that. Like what do you like? What do you like? Why like why would you want to not spend as much on the weekend and go out and have a good time with us getting blackout hammered versus spending your weekends inside alone not talking to any girls like some in cell loser.

It's like well, because I want to be in a better spot in 10 years than you guys are going to end up. So I would not just make sure that the conclusions you're coming to are fair on yourself. Because I for one understand how critical we are of ourselves, even though we're not as equally critical as everyone else around us. So just make sure that you're making decisions that are best for you and yours.

Don't be afraid to just shut the rest of the world out. Put your feet to the ground. Keep your eyes on your toes, and just take one step forward every day. Because that's the only way I got through my ruck marches in the army. You just kind of shut the mind off, just count your steps, focus on your breathing, and before you know it, 12 miles or down with 40 pounds in your pack, and you feel like death, but you got it done. That's right. And you know worse, no worse than you would have been otherwise. Where can people find the book?

Mike can find out more about, about you. I'll put the link to the book in the description. Okay. And, you know, if people want to find out more about you, what you're doing, your sub stack, plug some stuff, man. Floor's all yours. Okay. So if you guys go to Amazon, I have a print on demand on Amazon.

Amazon was like the easiest way to do it. And I wasn't gonna wait to Try and submit it to a publisher. That's more than likely not gonna be receptive to Bitcoin topics. Anyway So it's on Amazon if you go search the second Renaissance, I believe I should be the top result So which is dope? If you guys buy the book, I would also appreciate if you give me give it a rating Whether you like it or not. You can give me a rating if you don't like it. I would also appreciate if you give it a rating, whether you like it or not.

You can give me a rating if you don't like it. I'm not going to fault you for it. And then I do have a Substack like Joey mentioned. It's justhearmeout.substack.com. There I like to talk about all sorts of things. I tend to talk about some of this stuff, but it's really more for like my more wild things that I like to like look at. Like I have a series where I look at events that are happening in the US that I think are target softening strategies by our enemies like China, Russia,

Iran, London in particular. I think London is an enemy of the US. And then if you guys are on Twitter, you can find me at the Mike Hobart. There's two E's because apparently I'm not the only Mike Hobart out there. And then also I am on Noster, but I'm not very active, as you say. One thing I do want to also plug is that if you guys are Veterans if you have any veterans in your audience Me and a couple buddies got together a couple years ago. We made the Bitcoin veterans We have a podcast but it's not that's not really the focus What we what we decided to do is we're gonna plant our standard in the ground because there's so many vets in the Bitcoin space

we wanted to provide a rally point for everybody and We've already got like a couple hundred guys I think we're like last count was I think we were over 600 and that was a while ago Yeah, this is you guys do a pretty full most of the time when I see them on yeah, Coleman Coleman and Bob and in toast the them on yeah Coleman and Bob and and and toast is the best mixture of names. Coleman and Bob and toast and those guys are all killing it. Like like we like those guys are doing it mostly for free because we're trying to like keep our keep our funds really constricted and they like they

show up every day and like we can't thank them enough. And they like they want to they don't care if you're a veteran or not. If you guys wanna engage with the chat and everything, if you wanna be part of the discussion, show up in the spaces, send them a request, and they'll happily talk with you and everything. But if you are a Bitcoin veteran, or if you're a veteran and you're interested in Bitcoin

and you wanna become a Bitcoin veteran, go to bitcoinveterans.org. And we have a we have a submission form that we just want to gather some basic information as far as like You don't have to dox yourself But where you are in the country because we have so many different group chats that we have them separated by region of the country Then we also have group chats according to specific missions like pilots We have a bunch of pilots that we all like to talk about things with

We've got an Intel chat where we're paying attention to developments with like all the different wars that are going on or like What's going on with stable coin policy? What's going on with like all the different states and everything? We've got chats for we have one of my favorites is we got the short bus chat which is basically just all memes so we've got we've got basically and we also have a health and fitness once we've got and basically anything you guys could like want like so if you're a vet just know that we want you to be a part of our part of our mission and part of our organization please go to the Bitcoin veterans dot org so we can get you plugged in outstanding Michael Bart thanks for coming on buddy I appreciate it thanks for the invite man I'm glad I was here