The Canadian Bitcoiners Podcast - Bitcoin News With a Canadian Spin - Should Canadian Bitcoiners Leave? Francis Pouliot Has A Warning

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Francis Pouliot has a warning for Bitcoiners: You are not safe.A French tax official used government software to sell Bitcoiners' home addresses to kidnapping gangs. Meanwhile, a Quebec political party just voted to eliminate all Bitcoin taxes — and they're polling at 17%. Francis Pouliot, CEO of Bull Bitcoin, joins CBP from the Bitcoin Jungle in Costa Rica and doesn't hold back.🏛️ THE GOVERNMENT IS SELLING YOUR ADDRESS — A convicted French tax official used internal "Mira" tax software to compile profiles on Bitcoin holders and sold their home addresses to organized crime rings. The result: 65 documented Bitcoin kidnappings in 2025 alone, averaging more than one per week. Francis has been tracking this crisis from the inside — and says it's coming here.⚖️ QUEBEC'S HISTORIC BITCOIN TAX POLICY — The Conservative Party of Quebec officially passed a resolution: no capital gains on Bitcoin, no reporting requirements, no mining restrictions. They're polling at 17% with a path to 17 seats. Francis breaks down why this might be the most consequential Bitcoin policy development in Canadian politics — and why no one's covering it.🛡️ SHOULD BITCOINERS GO NIM? — Rodolfo Novak of CoinKite has gone fully offline. No photos, no camera, no public face. Francis — who says he's "completely screwed" because he went public too early — explains the real calculus behind Bitcoin OPSEC in 2026 and why he still can't walk a beach in Costa Rica without being recognized.🌎 SHOULD YOU LEAVE CANADA? — Joey and Francis get into the real expat conversation: Bitcoin Jungle, Costa Rica, homeschooling co-ops, and whether staying in Canada to fight the rot makes any sense when the tree is already falling on your house.🇶🇨 QUEBEC SEPARATION AS ACCELERATIONISM — Francis argues that a Quebec economic collapse following separation would be a feature, not a bug. The Argentina model. The Milei moment. A trad renaissance out of the rubble. He's not joking.🎨 AESTHETICS IS UPSTREAM FROM ETHICS — Why the right reclaimed culture through tradwives, bodybuilding, and homeschooling. Why Antifa went from cool to cringe. And what Nouvelle Alliance's visual branding can teach the Alberta separatist movement.🧬 THE GREAT MAN PROBLEM — The state is designed to prevent a great man from rising. Francis and Joey debate whether the leaders of the next cultural shift are already born — and why the most capable men have already checked out.🔔 Subscribe for weekly Bitcoin, economics, and Canadian politics coverage that doesn't pull punches.🟠 Buy Bitcoin with Bull Bitcoin → app.bullbitcoin.com/registration/cbp💬 Join the community → https://discord.com/invite/YgPJVbGCZX🐦 Follow on X → @CanadianbtcpodSponsors:easyDNShttps://easydns.comAnycast DNS, domain registration, web & email services — fast, reliable, privacy-focused.Pay with Bitcoin.Use coupon code CBPMEDIA for 50% off your first purchase.Bull Bitcoinhttps://mission.bullbitcoin.com/cbpThe CBP recommends Bull Bitcoin for buying Bitcoin simply and securely.Use the link above for 25% off fees for life.256Heathttps://256heat.com/Heat your home, garage, or office while earning more Bitcoin than it costs to run.Book a call with a hashrate heating consultant today.#Bitcoin #CanadianBitcoiners #FrancisPouliot #BullBitcoin #BitcoinCanada #QuebecBitcoin #BitcoinOPSEC #CanadianPolitics #SoundMoney #BitcoinSovereignty

to liberate yourself. Freedom and sovereignty is like a, it's like a daily practice, right? It's something that you do on a day-to-day level, and it starts by taking control of your money with Bitcoin. I mean, that's just like the lowest hanging fruit. And that's kind of like hilarious about the sovereignty movement and why a lot of the conservative side. And I'm always shocked that they don't like immediately just get into Bitcoin because it's the easiest thing in the world to do to, to become a sovereign individual. It's literally you just send a wire transfer to the exchange and you press to buy button. And like it's that's that that simple. Welcome back to CBP joined by the one and

only Francis Pooey. I mean, we were talking about your glasses before. Do you want to tell people why you're wearing the glasses? I don't really care about the blue light that much. It's just it's it's like a vintage like 1970s California filter like those Instagram filters like the Sepia filter and the whole world just looks. You know like the color green with the orange glasses is just amazing. And I live in the jungle. and the green just just pops out. It's great. I was watching the interview you did with BTC sessions there. You and Rodolfo, which we'll talk about.

And my wife asked if you have any kids. I said, yeah, he's got one kid out there. And unlike us, when shit goes sideways, I don't think you can throw on big comfy couch in the jungle to calm little one down. So he's living on a different wavelength than we are. How are things going with the family out there? Ah, fantastic. I mean, living in the, you know, so it's like we're living in the countryside, right?

We live in a very agricultural, like, pastoral place. So a lot of, you know, farming communities and a lot of like hippies and expats. And, you know, the family is always barefoot, always playing in the jungle, playing outside, which is kind of like everybody here is on the same page of enjoying nature. It's very holistic. it's great. It's a really great place to live. I am not considering moving, but if I did,

like one of these sort of, I don't want to call it a Bitcoin enclave because I don't think it is yet. I mean, maybe where you are it is, but I'm looking more and more at this stuff. Like, the way that things are going to Canada, I don't have to tell you, but for people who are listening from the States or anywhere else, I'm lucky where I am.

And, you know, I know a lot of my friends are thinking the same way that I was thinking a few years ago now. We got to get into these areas where it's not necessarily like a racial enclave, but it sometimes looks like that. And so people hold it against you. But really, it's just people with the same sort of cultural values. I got black neighbors, Chinese neighbors, Indian neighbors, but they're Canadian. And, you know, where you are, it's, you know, Costa Rican, but they're sharing the same thoughts you have about, like, raising your kids. And this is what it means. When people say, like, it takes a village to raise a kid, there's some truth to that. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to, like,

share. It's 100% true. It's 100% true. And like, you know, it's, it's not about like Costa Rica or Argentina or El Salvador or Panama or Paraguay. It's about moving to a place where other people move there for the same. People are ideologically motivated to move to that specific place. And like, for example, we run like a homeschool program. Our kids are always playing together. Like, we're kind of like outside of the official school system. And, you my kids gone from the house pretty much every single day. They go to my neighbor's house and the mom's kind of like cycle through. And everybody's on the same page.

Like everybody is, you know, with like variations. I mean, I don't know or care how people vote if they're a lefty or if they're right wing. But it's kind of like the horseshoe theory that like when you're so left wing, like you become kind of like this like libertarian hippie kind of like pagan. And I'm more on the, you know, like trad, you know, Catholic kind of like arch. but we're like, we like join in the same place. So yeah, it's great. It's definitely great to raise kids in a place where I can like drop off my kids at a farm and like know that the family who's running the farm are not fucking woke weirdos

that are going to, you know, my kid, she plays with horses and she like goes feeding the chicken and that kind of stuff. So it's great. If Quebec or Alberta separates you coming back? Yeah, for sure, man. If Alberta separates. So Quebec's not, I don't think Quebec has a realistic chance of separating in the, in the short term. And also, I don't think it's like the priority for Quebec to separate.

I think we have other priorities like demographically in Quebec. If Alberta separates, though, I will definitely, I'm not going to come back full time because I like it where I am. But I would definitely consider stuff like buying land. I would definitely consider like investing in in Alberta and like spending the summer in Alberta and like making it like my second home for sure. Quebec, my dream is to come back to Quebec when my dream is to buy land in Quebec and build something in Quebec like my ancestors did. However, I just don't see Quebec separating in the short term. It's just it's just not on my. There is a movement like currently to like bring back separation in Quebec, but it just doesn't have the momentum that Alberta has. The big worry for me is like, you know, obviously we're both in Bitcoin and you hear all the time about the stuff that's going on in Alberta and because I'm, you know, because I deal with Bull all the time and you guys are sponsoringing the channel, I talk to the guys fairly often about the situation in Quebec as well. My concern though is always the same. Like the government, whether it's big or small, whether it's new or old, whether it's the product of separatism or the product of confederation, the ethic is the same and it's not one that I like. And it's not one that I like.

The more I think about that, the more I think, sort of along the same lines, what you mentioned there, I'd much rather find a place where I could just be left alone as much as possible and maybe have like some police and a hospital within a half an hour drive or something like that, then I would try and like remove the rot from the trunk of the tree. Because that's where we are, man. I was saying to a friend of mine not long ago that because all the time you hear from no corners, right? You guys want to upend the state.

You want to upend the monetary system. Then what? To be honest with you, I don't have a great answer for that. I don't know if anybody really does. But what I do know is that if I just stand back and do nothing, the rock gets worse. And eventually the tree is going to fall on my fucking house, man. And, you know, heaven forbid, you're living close enough to that tree that it damages your life and damages your family and damages your whatever.

I just don't know why people are so apathetic to these problems when clearly the ethics of government are not good. And obviously, like, it's tied to the. the money. I don't, like, so many people are frustrated and fed up with Carney because he's spending his weekends, traveling to China, doing whatever with foreign leaders, doesn't want to talk to the U.S., doesn't want to talk to the big dog on the block. And I just think, like, we don't have a lot of hope in this country left. And, you know, a year ago, I would have said I'd like to stay and see how this shakes out. But now, honestly, man, I kind of don't feel that way long term. And I wonder

if I wonder if a lot of people my age and my sort of, you know, I'm not filthy rich or anything, but people my wealth level are thinking the same thing. Like, why am I going to hang out here and be the last productive guy on the Titanic? They're just going to take all my money. I'm like a cash tax hog for these people who have no ethic and no direction except to make sure that I can't get ahead and they stay in charge. Yeah. And, you know, you don't have to leave physically the country to liberate yourself. Freedom and sovereignty is like a, it's like a daily practice, right? It's something that you do on a day-to-day level,

and it starts by taking control of your money with Bitcoin. I mean, like, that's just like the lowest hanging fruit. And that's kind of like hilarious about the sovereignty movement and why a lot of the kind of conservative side. And I'm always shocked that they don't, like, immediately just get into Bitcoin because it's the easiest thing in the world to do to become a sovereign individual. It's literally you just send a wire transfer to the exchange

and you press the buy button. And like it's that's that simple. And then of course there's like communications and then there's schooling and then there's health and then there's food. And it's moving to a place where you can buy food locally, where you can rely on, you know, your neighbors for health care. You know, there's a lot of doctors out there that will take your money under the table and like become your family doctor without going through the system.

So you don't have to, like, move physically. You just have to be in this mindset where I'm going to make. make every single thing I do every day. I'm going to practice sovereignty and freedom on a day-to-day basis. And, like, you know, there's pockets of that in Quebec. Like, Quebec is still quite based outside of the city of Montreal. Like, a lot of our guys, they live around Quebec City, and their life is not that different from mine.

You know, their kids are playing with other parents' kids. They have their little home group circles. They're quite religious. they don't vote, you know, they've kind of lost the faith that the system is going to change. And, you know, like, for example, if Quebec separates, nothing is going to change in Quebec. The reason why I want Quebec to separate, first and foremost, actually, it's very accelerationists. Like, the Quebec system is so rotted, and it's rotted in a different way than the Canadian system is rotted, because Quebec is more of a tight-knit society.

we don't have the same demographic issues that the rest of Canada has, like, despite, I saw some statistics about, like, how Quebec is still, like, 75% white and, like, you know, most of that is, like, French-Canadian. I think it's a lot more than that. I actually think it's, like, more, like, 82, 83%. Like, everybody kind of knows each other. So we don't have, like, that same problem that Toronto has where, I think, something insane, like, in Canada, like, 50% of the population of Canada arrived in Canada in the last 50 years or something. So, like, people don't have, like, any roots. Like, like, we don't have that issue. Our issue is more of a, it's more of a deep-rooted bureaucratic socialism, right? So it's not like corrupt money laundering, mass immigration, fiat, Ponzi as the rest of Canada is like Toronto is just a massive fiat-ponzi play. Quebec actually has like deep-rooted reason for existing. It's just a fully bloated social. It's a classic fully-bloded socialist state. So if Quebec's separate, I think what's immediately going to happen is the economy will collapse. I'm very, very certain that the Quebec economy will crash. I think investment will flee. Contrary to Alberta, if Alberta

separates, I think it's going to have an influx of investment. If Quebec separates, I think we're going to have a capital flight. I think we're going to have a demographic flight as well. I think a lot of the kind of like more wealthy Anglo elite, a lot of, you know, Montreal has a lot of, you know, old Jewish families, old British, Italian families that are very anti-separation. I think, like we saw in the 1980 referendum, 1995 referendum, I think a lot of that wealth is going to flee. I think investment will stop. I think the Quebec State is going to seize the opportunity to be like, okay, now that we have full control of every single part, like now that we have state-level powers, all the parts of the economy that were being managed by Canada,

like supply chain management, like the money supply, like, you know, infrastructure, they're going to take all of that and they're going to go full on me. I think the Quebec economy will collapse. And I think that out of that collapse will, something else is going to pop up, which is I'm hoping very sincerely that we will have a trad renaissance that's going to be led with

maybe it's going to be nationalistic, maybe it's going to be religious, maybe it's going to be political, but I think Quebec has a decent chance after a collapse of getting closer to something that's like a U.S. style constitution and a more free market economy.

So that's my hope. My hope is that Quebec separates, the economy collapses, and then, you know, kind of like in Argentina where how can you have, and despite the fact that I'm not a fanboy of Millie for like a bunch of reasons. A lot of the things that he do is LARP. But there is definitely something happening with Millie.

I mean, it's not all LARP. There's ginormous free market reforms happening there. And the reason why it was, and he's popular, despite the fact that he's, you know, slashing public services and he's decreasing taxes and he's cutting down the state. He's destroying ministries and stuff like that. It's because they were at the bottom of, they were at the bottom, right? So we need like a major, major crisis in Quebec to like wake people up and like change the system. And I think that's what separation would do.

If Quebec doesn't separate, we're going to benefit from the rest of Canada's Fiat system to basically subsidize us. And then it's just going to be a slow decline. So I'm in big favor of like a rapid collapse of a place. A lot of Bitcoiners disagree about that. A lot of Bitcoiners think, I've heard for example like Pierre Rashar, for example, saying like, because Pierre Rochard, which is a guy that I really like, he, you know, we were having, you know, debates, not arguments, like debates about strategic reserves, like national strategic reserve.

And, you know, his point of view is like, we should actually root for the U.S. government to get into Bitcoin. Whereas my view is like, I don't want the U.S. government to get into Bitcoin. I want the U.S. government to go bankrupt and collapse. So that's something better can come about. And his view is like, well, we don't want that because a collapsing economy what does it do? It actually increases deaths. People will die. They will die of suicides. They will die of overdose. They will die because the health system is not going to be able to support them. There's going to be a lot of pain. There's going to be a lot of divorces.

Sounds familiar, by the way. That's a Canadian situation now. A lot of people would argue. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. And that's like a reasonable view to have. It's like, I don't want the system to collapse because there's a lot of collateral damage. by people who are not responsible for this system being broken. Just like everyday people, the cost of their food is going to spike and they're going to struggle. So we need to save the system because we don't want that pain to happen. Whereas I'm more in the camp of like, you know, I'm thinking more in like a multi-generational view where it's like,

I, and okay, maybe it's a little shitty for me to say because I'm not poor and I'm not going to suffer from a Quebec collapse because I don't live there. And even if I did, I would be fine. It's mostly the poor people and, you know, the middle class that's going to suffer. But I think it's better for everyone if we have like, you know, 10 to 15 year economic depression and a lot of hardship. But our children and our grandchildren

have the opportunity to live in a utopian war. world. And if you combine that with, okay, now we have all these technologies that are coming about. Like, AI is making everything more efficient. The internet is blowing up. I mean, it's been blowing up for like 20 years, but like everything is digital. We can have this amazing gains of efficiency in food production and everything. Our kids could, you know, longevity, space travel, like all sorts of crazy shit. Like our kids can live in like this amazing utopian in society, but only, I think only if we accept some suffering in the short term. The problem I have, I agree with a lot of stuff you said there.

The issue for me is not in the idea, it's in the execution. And part of the reason I think it's unlikely that we go through this sort of like renaissance anytime soon, like even 15 years is too soon, is because it's my belief that, I don't know if I've ever shared this on the show, but I'll share it now. it's my belief that when people talk about, you know, the state trying to prevent upward mobility or prevent social cohesion and prevent these things from, you know, taking hold and people improving their situation. I do think there's some economic rationale behind that for the state. I get why they want to do that. But I think there's actually a bigger problem they're trying to prevent. And it's the rise of a great man. The things you're talking about require a great man. And oftentimes, you know, as is as is the case all through history, if, someone is, you know, X the great, chances are they are alongside of their great achievements

a monster in a lot of ways. And right now, we're just not creating monsters. We don't have the environment to create monsters. We are truly in, you know, the thick of this weak men create hard times era. And so, you know, I want to ask you, do you think the, you know, the men and women who are going to lead this ideological shift, do you think they're already born, Are they not born yet? Where are they? I look at guys like you and other Bitcoiners and I think, okay, like this guy gets it. He's in a position where he can influence the discussion. But I still see like we're, we are deeply, deeply siloed in and in this like bubble where everything we say to each other, fuck, it clicks right away. But you take this to basically any major metropolitan area, which you will need to, you know, for lack of a better term, convert to make this a reality. And people look at you like you're nuts. Not because they made, not necessarily because they disagree, Francis, but I think at least in part because they're jealous that they couldn't, you know, move the crowd. You know what I mean? They don't want to see someone else move the crowd if they can't do it. Where do you come down on all this stuff? This great man theory and what the state is doing to prevent one from rising.

Fully agree. Every single thing is stacked against a great man today. And the great man is made to feel bad for being a great man. So a great man leave. So a lot of the great men that specifically for kids, Canada are probably a good chunk of them are in the United States. Like, you know, Elon Musk is Canadian, apparently, or Hussein's. Allegedly. Allegedly. And he's a great man, and he's also a monster in a way, you know. And he's not interested in Canada at all.

I think a lot of the great men have left already, or they've left mentally. Right. So they have, if you look at, for example, like both the Ayn Randt, books, you know, Atlas Shrugged in the Fountainhead. You know, like, the guy who runs the newspaper in the Fountainhead, you know, he's a great man, and he has decided to be a great man in private. I can't remember his name is Wyatt, I think. Have you read the Fountain Head? I haven't read Fountainhead, no. Right. Or like an Atlas Rugg type scenario where all the great men are out there building their business, like not caring at all about politics. Because

because they feel disdain and contempt for the normies that are, you know, they don't have love. They don't have love for the average person anymore because of stuff like, and contemporarily, that's stuff like COVID, for example, right? It's hard to have love for the average man in the post-COVID era where, you know, the average man wanted to, the average person wanted to lock you up, wanted to take your kids away from you. They're still asking if you got the flu shot this year, buddy. It's, you know, it never ends. Yeah.

Right. And great men are eminently unelectable people as well. Like, I have no chance of being elected whatsoever. Don't ask me if I'm going to run for office. I cannot run for office. You know, I'm, I've got a Twitter history that prevents me from running for office. And great men don't usually, you know, rise out of democracy as well. You know, great men rise out of revolutions and conflicts.

And I think we've, for the last like 50 years, like the idea of like a revolution happened, like an armed conflict, like a civil war, like a revolution. It's completely out. It's completely out of people's minds. We've kind of like converged on, you know, we need to vote our way out of this mindset. And in order to get voted in, you have to, you cannot be a great man. You have to optimize for the middle. You have to optimize for the normie. And I think the only way that that will change, that mindset will change, is a complete collapse. And I think, and you know, the problem is not policy, the problem is culture, right?

And culture is a lot slower. It's a lot, it's a ship that's very, very slow to steer compared to policy. You know, like, you can have, you know, you can have a politician win a snap election somehow, you know, like, just kind of like, you know, this contender appears in the electoral landscape and just wins the election. happened to us, Francis. Fuck, it just happened. Carney came out of nowhere won that election. Yeah.

95% whatever it was, right? Yeah. And it could have gone the other way. Like, there could be some kind of like, I don't know, Maxime Bernier-style person within the C, the conservative party,

that just, because Carney makes a massive mistake, he, like, rises to power, and then he's in power. And then he starts to change policy, but the culture will not change. Like, the policies might change quickly,

but the culture will not change. And then what that means is that as soon as he's gone, the foundation of the country stays the same, the culture. And that's a lot slower to move. But what makes me bullish is that fundamentally, even though people are brainwashed, they do care about one thing.

They care about eating food. And they care about their kids. I truly, truly believe, like, if a person feels, that their kids are threatened and that they are in a situation of danger, like, I literally cannot feed my kids. I can't feed my family. Or I feel there's like violent physical attacks coming to my family because the streets are unsafe because there's crackers on the street. Like that can flip people. That can actually flip people. I think that's true. I want to ask you

if you think that the durability of the culture that you're referencing there, is that really faust upon people by government or is that something that's grassroots? I know my stance on this has changed over the years. I used to think that this this like super durable culture was was a product of government influence. But the more I look at like, again, I talk about immigration a bit, if you look at cultural tendencies much more so than language, much more so than marital, much more so than almost anything else. Cultural tendencies are extremely durable amidst peoples and jurisdictions.

And I wonder if Canada, even if you get the rise of the great man, you're still talking like generations and generations. You need like multiple generations of great men who are working with each other overlapping year after year, term after term to turn things around. I just wonder if there's even a chance to get happened now. When I think about whether or not I'm going to move, for example, I think about places like where you are in Costa Rica and even in El Salvador, where clearly like the people there always wanted something else but couldn't get it because of government. Here, it feels like people want the worst possible thing and have no intention of changing.

And I just, you know, it bothers me. I want to talk a bit about the great man thing in a different vein. Rodolfo Novak of Coin Kite has gone NIM, basically. He has no pictures anywhere. I'll say on air here, when stuff started to drop about that Linux age verification, OS level age verification, I said to Len, I see Rodolfo tweeting about this. Let's see if he wants to come on sometime this week for like 40 minutes and talk about it. He said, yeah, no problem, no camera. And I didn't know if that was just a new thing or whatever.

And then I went looking for a picture of them and couldn't find one. one and asked a few other people. Obviously, he just did the show with Ben and you, and he's NIM there too. Where do you come down on something like OPSEC in Bitcoin these days? I don't think we're quite mad max, but here in Canada, I mean, the crime rate is through the roof in major metropolitan areas. The U.S. is the same. If you're not getting killed by a drug addict, you're getting killed by a radical Muslim.

And over and over and over again, we're being taught this lesson of, if you are a public figure, it'll come at a cost on a long enough timeline. And yet here we both are, you know, speaking with our faces and our names, where do you come down on this? Well, if I had to do it all over again, I would definitely have a name. My problem is that I'm fucked. I'm so dogs. There's no, there's no coming back for me. And that was the deal that I signed when I first got into, that was the actual deal that I signed when I first got into Bitcoin. Because when I first got into Bitcoin, guys that got me into Bitcoin specifically and explicitly told me, like, you're going to be the face of the Bitcoin embassy.

We don't want to be public. And I was kind of a naive guy. I was like, I want to be public. You know, I want to be known. And I want to be the guy that goes on TV and those all that kind of stuff. And like, I'm completely screwed. So, and it, of course, it concerns me. That's my biggest concern.

My biggest concern is my, my, the public. nature of my face and my name. Always freaks me out, but it happens all the time. Even in the depth of the jungle, I'll be walking on the beach, and someone will walk up to me and be like, hey, are you? I'll tell you, the glasses aren't going to help, by the way. I know. Shave my head, shave my beard, and like, you know.

So, no, it's a huge concern. And actually, it's a concern because the French Algerian and Moroccan mafia, or after Bitcorners. And it's been rough, man. Like, the stuff that's been going on in France, it's not really well known in Canada. I guess, you know, if you're a French bitconer, you're fully aware of the fact that multiple people have been kidnapped.

The state sold them out, right? Is that the story? So that's stuff is going to happen this year on that front. We're going to be a lot more involved. I can't talk about it now. But effectively, yes. the government of France, the tax authority, has been selling to the mafia the names and address of bitcorners and like how much bitcoins they have. That's a fact.

And French tax officials have been arrested. Cops have been arrested. And I mean, it's not the state that's been selling them out, but it's bureaucrats, right? And it's going to get much worse. and the crypto kidnappings have been, you know, they've, we've been impacted. Like, there's people that we know that none of this is like known, but like people that we know have been impacted by that. And it's very, very stressful. So, you know, the how, and it hasn't happened to Canada.

Like there hasn't been, there's been like a few in Canada, like very minor. once. I think there was like the, I don't want to say something. It was the guy from a bit something. You got picked up in Toronto, right? It wasn't, it wasn't that coins. It wasn't index. It was like another one. I know who you're talking about, but I can't remember the, yeah, quick, I don't know. Anyway, there was someone in Canada that was kidnapped. There's a guy in Montreal that got kidnapped and murdered, but he was a crypto's camera, so, you know, not going to show a tear on him for him. But there's, there's, like, a lot of, just not even, not even like big OGs, like just regular people that have,

you know, a decent and a stash, like random, random people that have been targeted in France. So it's a big concern. And of course, the state in France, the government does nothing at all, like, nothing at all for that. It's a complete, complete failed state. And apart from finding the after the fact, which they've been pretty good at in France. And we have a pretty good idea of who's doing that in France. It's a group of basically of Arabs that are doing that from outside of France. And they're hiring local thugs to do that. Apart from catching these guys, they haven't really done much.

It's really funny. There was this big meeting of crypto companies in France. And they told the government, like, hey, you guys need to do something about this, you know? like enforce the law, you know, enforce order. And the government was like, no problem. Like, we have this new hotline. So if you ever get kidnapped,

we have this special hotline for you guys to call us that's going to save you from calling the 911 operator. It's going to go direct to the kidnap squad. So like, when you guys get kidnapped, you'll have a number to call us, you know? So, yeah, it's a... and the great men, they don't care about the people anymore. They don't care about the plebs.

They don't care about anything. They care about their families. And, you know, I think what makes me different from a lot of these guys and from a lot of these great men that are doing great things on their own with their business or with their communities somewhere else is like, and that's why I think Quebec might be a little different is that we have a very, very, very deep, very, very ancient rooted blood tie and attachment to the land that a lot of places don't have. France has that, by the way. There are great men. There's actually a great woman rising

in France right now. Her name is Sarah Knafo. I met her. She's fucking awesome. She's running for the mayor of Paris. So there are great people that are like kind of like popping up. And I think they're born today. I think they're our age. I think like the great men of the future, they're probably, I would say, they're probably 30 years old. You know, like, you know, like there's obviously a generation of zoomers that's maybe a little too edgy. So like the best, the best generation is kind of like between the zoomers and the millennials, like where you're not like a complete edge lord that's like fully blackmail. So you still have a little bit of millennial kind of like, you know, norminess to you.

Like so you can rise to office because like the problem with the Gen Zers, it's like kind of like the Nyquentes types, you know, and the cliquel. clavicular types. They're like, they're so far, nobody had clavicular on their bingo card for this podcast, by the way, not a single person. I mean, I 100% saw clavicular coming, 100%. Why? Tell me why. People who don't know, this is the guy who like hits his head with a hammer, right, to like beef up his cheekbones or his jaw bones and he hits himself somewhere around here. I forget what the story is with this guy, but. So clivocular is probably the wrong example because he's fucking cringe and, you know, but he's a phenomenon, but I think that a lot of things are downstream

from ethics, from aesthetics, sorry. Okay. So there's this really good quote. I can't remember who said it, but aesthetics is the mother of ethics. So people spontaneously converge to what's beautiful and what looks good. And when I was young, as an example, when I was a young man, like between the age of 16 to 24. I was a raging commie and I was really, really involved. I was involved in all sorts of comedy groups. I was wearing a Chigavar t-shirt. I was wearing the Chinese Communist Party Mao T-shirts.

I was going into all these protests and all these underground things I was studying in Belgium, actually. I studied in Brussels. And Brussels at the time, like in 2010, was where the woke revolution, you know, was being, like, the European woke revolution was, today is people that I went to school with in Brussels, like the European institution people.

And we were going to these like underground kind of like honorco-communists concerts and it was fucking cool and everybody looked fucking amazing. And, you know, the girl were hot. And like we looked so badass with our, you know, and then we were doing these like readings and doing these. And France is like that, you know, like in France. France has been, like, the left in France has been so aesthetically superior for such a long time.

And the left has been aesthetically superior for a long, long time. Because the right wing aesthetic was this kind of like super lame beige kind of office, conservative dude with a suit and tie and like super fucking lame assurances out of golf course in some cheesy hotel. And like, so the right aesthetics were fucking garbage forever. And what we've seen is that we took back aesthetics in the last 10 years. And that aesthetics reclaiming started with the bodybuilder movement, with the homeschooling, like with the trid wife movement, for example. You know, my dad's a politician in Quebec.

Well, ex-politician, but he's involved in politics. And I keep, I've been sharing these things with my dad being like, for the last years, I'm like, look at this, like the trad wife Instagram of the, bright and shiny woman who's doing her Instagram account about her canning, you know, or her meeting, you know, and she's super fucking hot. She's wearing the dress. You know, the guy's ripped as hell. He's based. He's like on creatine and he's listening to Joe Rogan and Tucker and like,

you know, they just look happy and they look amazing. Whereas the left today looks so ugly. Like the left wing people are so fucking ugly. Anyway, so we're reclaiming aesthetics. Like we're reclaiming beauty. which is like the first step for me. And then what that does is like, it's like, because when I was young, the romantic idea was like, I want to be a revolutionary. I want to be cool, basically.

Like when you're 18, like, what do you want to be? You want to be cool. Like, that's what you want to be. And like, who's cool? I mean, the hippies of the 60s are cool. The, you know, the revolutionaries are cool. like Chigurava, it's cool as fuck, man. You know, you look at his photos.

He looks so cool, you know. So you want to be cool, and to be cool means to be left wing. And to be cool means to be like, you know, I don't talk about Palestine, but it means to be pro-Palestine. It means to be, you know, the Wall Street. What do you call it again? Occupy Wall Street. Antifa.

I mean, to be fair, like Antifa, like 15 years ago, was cool as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. They were cool as fuck. Good as static. Everyone was wearing the masks. Yeah, man, for sure. Yeah.

They've got masks. They've got leather jackets. They've got these big Doc Martins. You know, they've got the knuckles, you know. And now they're fucking so disgusting. They're so ugly. You know, they're all trans fucking losers. But what change?

Like, can you? Okay, so what I'm hearing is it's like the cool ethic of the day comes from who the hot, aesthetic, you know, whatever. Who's your, who's your beacon, right? So, because really nothing changed in terms of the aesthetic of Antifa until all the people involved became ugly, right? So like what really was the aesthetic? Was the aesthetic ever the knuckles and the jackets, or was it that the girl with the dirty dreadlocks, you know, had a sleeper build underneath the long leather jacket and the guy who was, you know, holding the sign, you know, had 20 inch biceps. Like, what was the, what was really the root there?

it the costume or was it the character underneath? And if it was the character underneath, then like what does aesthetic really mean? If it's just the hottest guy, hottest girl, then can they do anything and make it cool? Like, are we really that flexible? We are kind of that flexible. I mean, but there's like, there's like a real underlying ethic at the very, very, very, very bottom of that, which is for, for example, the modern right-wing ethic is, again, I think, strongly linked to the bodybuilding movement, which is like Greek ancient mythology,

like strong man, like being ripped. But I think there's also a contrarian flow, an ebb and flow, where to be contrarian today is to be right-wing, right? Like when you're young, right? Because your parents are left-wing. Your parents are lame boomers. like, not only that, but like the older kids. So you're like 22.

The older kids are like 32 or something. And I mean older kids, by like, you know, when you were 10, they were like 20. So you interact with them. Right. So like the mid-generation, like what we call like the, you know, like your soccer coach. You know what I mean? Like the older kid. They're all lame-ass millennials, you know.

And you want to be different from that. And how are you different from them? you want to be the opposite of whatever the people who are 10 years older than you are, you want to be the opposite of that. But I think it's not going to be a permanent ebb and flow because things are more sticky, right? So for example, like the traditional family is more sticky than the weird polyamorous or divorce. parent. Yeah, buying the baby and pretending you were pregnant in the hospital.

Yeah, all that shit. So these things are more fads than like the trad couple that lives off the grid and that dreams about owning a farm and that they want to have five kids. And, you know, the success, the epitome of success is to stand on your porch and watch your four kids play together. working on your pickup truck over the weekends, like that idea of success is a lot more ancient and a lot more sticky than being some fucking suit in, you know, the, having a career and, you know, being able to afford these, these cocktail parties when you're 36 and, you know, you come back home alone at 1 a.m. on a Thursday after the cocktail. So, so these ideas are like

way more sticky than modern. So I think like we've kind of like diverged, right, culturally with this fad of like women's liberation of modernity, of diversity of, you know, everything that has to do with fiat culture. And I think we're swinging, and I think we're swinging back through this contrarian. It's driven, I think, primarily by contrarianism, but I think it's going to stay. I think it's going to stay because it's sticky. I think you're right about a lot of that.

And the reason I asked about the sort of like attractiveness element is because you mentioned Fuentes. I don't know if you saw this was probably like six months ago at this point when he really got hot out of nowhere there. The picture that New York magazine used of him. Fuentes is like a mousy looking kid. And you see that picture in Nick. And I showed it to my wife. Like I watched Fuentes from time to time. And I showed to my wife.

I said, this is the picture they went with. And it's like a different guy. It looks like something out of a, you know, military magazine. Guys got a square fucking jaw. It looks like he's got a big ass head. And he's like leading a charge. Got the jacket on. And I thought like they,

even the left cannot resist the aesthetic pull of what is hot in the moment. And even though this kid is not traditionally attractive, they tried their best to make them look that way. And they took a lot of shit for that, by the way. Because I think a lot of people, whether they admit it or not, know that the fat blue hair, a person who throws orange juice at the loo, they're not like the person anyone wants to get behind. One of the reasons I think that governments now, by the way,

are like so keen on getting into like private chats and making sure they're watching everything you're doing saying at all times and why they care so much about kids on social media, this is ostensibly what they care about. There's a lot of side effects of that that are going to benefit them to that they don't talk about. But I do think they want the kids big time. Because kids are very easily influenced, and their instincts are exactly as you're describing.

They go to what looks cool. And governments by their very nature can never identify what looks cool. It just takes one to no one and they aren't one for sure. Yeah, yeah. And Fuentes is an interesting case because I saw him, I also saw him coming from miles away. I've actually been, you know, watching his show for, I don't know, like two and a half years. It's a crazy show he's got like in the middle of the night, Eastern Time. And there's 500,000 people after a major event in the States watching it live.

Absolutely insane. And like, I don't, I haven't watched him in a while. I don't watch him that much anymore. But like, I watched him out of just complete awe, incomplete awe of his aura. which, and again, I'm not like a fanboy, but because I think I have aura, so I don't care. But I was like, oh my God, he's the only commentator that I've seen that has aura. And the aura is dripping off of him.

You know what I mean? And it comes obviously from his confidence, right? And his confidence comes from the fact that, and also from not giving a fuck from being a compulsory. of contrarian, you know what I mean? So when I look at the Gen Ziers, what I also see, by the way, that's also why I'm very positive about the future of culture, because I don't have a lot of Gen Zier friends. The closest that I have is Guillaume, which you know well.

Love Guillaume, yeah, love Guillaume. Guillaume's like my, you know, for those who don't know, Guilliam's a, a Gen Zierre a Gen Zer that works at Bull, and he's been working at bowl for fucking seven years. You got him when he was in his formative phase, so he never developed any of the Gen Z like... No, I got him as an intern when he was in university as a business school student, and I got him as an intern,

and he just never quit Bull. He just stayed at Bull forever since his second year, I think of... I'm not even sure if he graduated. But, you know, I look at it. him and I have some insight on his group of friends and and like his lifestyle and these are like really religious people they're they're they're very very based and they're very funny and they love making fun of the left and they're again super cool no fucks given and uh they're taking over you look at you look at polls about um like view and there was this poll that I saw which was shocking

shocking to me, like completely shocking, which was views on homosexuality, which to be, to be blunt, I have nothing against gay people at all. I really don't. I mean, that's probably because I grew up as a millennial and, you know, I have a lot of gay friends. So I don't see homosexuality as a problem. Actually, a lot of the gay guys that I know are super fucking based. But the views on homosexuality publicly, I think, are a barometer of people's tolerance to wokeness, right? Because if you're a Gen Zer and you're like 17, 18, you're probably going to conflate homosexuality with trans, with woke, with all that stuff. Whereas like, I'm 36. So like when I grew up,

you know, the gay movement was come. And that was like 18 years ago, the gay, movement was not woke, was not, you know, globalist. There was no, there was no, it was contrarian is what it was. It was contrary and it was completely fine, you know, and like, but today I think like, okay, you're grumping it and you're basically being bold like, yeah, sucking a dick from time time is totally fine. You know, try that. Don't say no.

Don't be a bigot. Don't say no. So, and then, oh, I'm going to have to charge my laptop. Give me a second. It's a tradition like no other, around 45 minutes for you to plug your laptop in, so no problem. People are expecting that. They're probably wondering, actually, how we're still talking without an issue. All right, coming.

I'm going to turn off my very expensive camera. There we go. There you are. Okay, perfect. Great. I don't remember where we leave up? What were you saying? I forget what you were saying.

I was talking about homosexuality and the views on homosexuality, which I unfortunately see as being a barometer for workiness. and I want to pull up this stat that I saw about I forget what it was. The public's views on homosexuality, I think you were saying. Yeah. I'd be curious because it seems to me like... That's stat was so mind-blowing.

It was like unbelievably... Is it a public view that is favorable or a public view that is less favorable? Before you tell me... Very unfavorable. That would be my guess too now. It was very, very unfurable for Gen Ziers. And I think it was something so bad. It was something like, the poll was like,

how would you feel if your best friend told you he was gay? And it was comparing from like 2005 to 2025 amongst Gen Ziers amongst like people 18. And like I think it was like going from like 20% 10 years ago, like I would have a problem with that to like 65. percent. It's crazy. It was insane. The thing is, people don't get that it's cyclical, right? When I see stories about like whole results of this nature, it's, okay, well, we have to get Gen Z off of social media because they're becoming radicalized. Well, no, it's cyclical in part. And also I think that most Gen Zers are probably sick of all the diaspora politics

they see and they view this as another brand of diaspora politics. This block votes one way. It's against me. And so now I disapprove of this. It has nothing to do with the practices, I don't think, necessarily. You know who has the best ethics in Quebec politics? I've been sharing this in a bunch of group chats to Alberta people. Because the one thing that Alberta separatists do not have is the aesthetics. The Alberta separatist movement is lacking some MADX brand guidance.

Yeah, I agree. I'll be honest. It's very lame. Madex has been doing a good job. I try to, like, create running and swag. It's a lot of very vanilla. The Quebec, I'm eating, sorry, I didn't eat all day. The Quebec movement, there's this group in Quebec called Newvel Alliance.

Yeah. And I found Newvel Alliance, I don't know how, on the Internet Web. I'm now part of their telegram group, you know, with my name. And I'm like, I love these guys. I love them so much because they have a degree of aesthetic, which is... I'm going to look this up while you're talking. You don't kind of like the white... New Valiance.

You just look up their website and you just see right away. And like on their Twitter... It's dope. It's a bunch of blonde, young girls with blue dress, with flowers. And then you have the guys that have like these... you know, almost like like gobbles, you know, like Nazi looking suits, you know. And then they've got the aviator like leather jackets and they all wear ties when they go to a protest. And they're waiting these like blue kind of like flares.

You know, and then media stuff looks great. Like these visuals are awesome. Yeah. The photos are amazing. HD quality, the videos are on point. And then they do these rallies where they're going to like, they like do stuff like, we're going to restore an old historic building in Quebec over the weekend

because we care about our heritage. And we're going to get rid of these horrible graffities of Antifa, like downtown Montreal. They're great. And like when I see that, I'm like, if I was 18 years old, I would see that and I'd be like, I'm going to fucking join that group.

You know, like they look so. awesome. They look so cool. And, you know, you look at the what's the opposite? Like, like, the global, so, you know, the globalists wokees are so deeply uncool. It's like unbelievable.

They're super uncool, but your point about the separatists is good, too. Like, I can't remember the guy's name, uh, who was talking to Vashe Capello a little while ago. And he like pasted her online, uh, or in an interview, but I can't remember his name. But the separatist movement in Alberta is like, it's like the uncoolist.

oil sands guy. You know, like the boomer oil sands guy, the Gen X oil zans guy. And he's like, you know, he still thinks the cowboy hat is cool. He still thinks, I'm not saying he can't ever wear a cowboy hat. But again, like if you're trying to lead a movement and move a crowd, you have to have

to have something that separates you from the pack. And if you're just like the, you know, the shelf brand sort of TEMU revolutionary, you know, what are you getting out of it? Even just looking at this the new alliance Twitter, these folks, photos are all edited before they put them up.

These are clearly themed, properly, edited properly. And it's funny, you know, you're saying words that will for sure earn me a couple of messages from people who listen to the show about, yeah, they're wearing the Nazi jackets. Wearing the Nazi jacket is an aesthetic quality.

You can agree or disagree with Nazi ideology. But everyone knows what a Nazi looks like. Everyone knows what those Nazi rallies looked like. And that was an aesthetic brand that was consistent. It was effective. And other than Nike, how many other brands have stood to the test of time for that long? Not many. There isn't many around, you know?

In fact, that brand was so persistent that drawing that symbol now will earn you a call from human resources. That's how consistent and persistent that branding was. It was crazy. Very effective. And if you look at this photos, which should I share my screen and show some photos? You can do it if you want. I don't know. Do you know how to do it on this? I don't know if I can do that.

It's underneath the chat. You can do it. I think it'll go to my end and then I'll put it up on the screen. Share the screen. Let's share the screen. Show the view of some photos of the... Andreas is going to love this when he's editing the video. He's going to have to go through all sorts of shit. There we go. All right. So New Valiance. Let's see.

What does it look like? The new stuff. New stuff. Go down and look at the one. That set of photos right there is killer. It's killer. Like that's heavily edited It's meant like look at that

I mean are we serious about this They look so much better than the Canadian ones Like the second sons Like I was like the second son's looks so cringe They're so lame I'm sorry guys I'm sure you guys are cool But like did you see their logo too It's like a barbell or something

And like boxing gloves and shit like that Look at that boom Yeah boom let's go And then there's like that I'm not going to share my telegraph But like yeah look at that Look at that That's well done

It's well done. Orange glasses. Come on. Sweet. Looking at him. Looking so solemn. Like they bring, they bring out the,

the color palette in these, these photos is really, uh, is really well done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You can't beat this, man. And I think like, honestly, there's a lesson for Bitcoiners here. How old are they? Look at their age. I know. Look at their age,

man. They're all like, early 20s. A bit older, but like, have you seen Dominion's, have you seen Dominion Society on Twitter? Oh,

I, I, I like these guys. I like this guys. We were going to have Daniel Tyree on and for reasons I won't share, we decided against it. And one of the reasons that, I'll take it down, one of the reasons, you know, I like those guys. And I think to your point about the aesthetic, they have the aesthetic right. The messaging, I don't necessarily agree with 100%.

And so it's hard for me to, you know, put them on air. But the lesson here is that whether you agree with the message or not to be effective. in making a change to a deeply entrenched system. People have to look at you and like what they see. By the way, they don't have to like that they like what they see. This is the other thing that people need to realize. You don't have a choice. Okay, you and I are both married.

My wife is like taller to me, red hair. People don't like redheads. That's fine. I love redheads. I don't know what your wife looks like, but the things about your wife, people will not find attractive. You are like, I'm in on that. you don't know why you're in on it.

Much the same as people who look at some of these pictures go, yeah, like there's something visually appealing here, even though I don't agree that we should be, you know, returning to tradition, rejecting modernity, whatever. But you may find that to get your foot in the door,

that's the way to do it. So I love this point about aesthetic being upstream from ethic. It's like a no-brainer once you think about it, but no one is talking like that. And it's even more powerful. So what's been the driving force of destruction of Western civilization and the socialization of the economy, I'm sorry to say it's it's women.

Tell me more. Tell me more. I mean, why not? This is why I got the whiskey before we started because I knew this is going to happen. It's the women. The women vote for the left. Gyno-fascism is the name we call it. Women vote for the left.

Women vote for mass immigration. women vows for socialism and I don't blame them it's in their nature right it's in their nature to be welcoming and homely and they want everything to be done in a group and they want consensus

and they just want everybody to get along and they want everybody to be happy and they have so much empathy and that's why we love the women you know that's literally what's so awesome about women they're so different from us which are kind of like, you know, crazy sociopathic, you know, men, you know, that they're so different from us, you know.

But it is undeniable that women vote overwhelmingly for socialism and mass immigration because of their, I would say, genetic and, you know, ancient predisposition to those things. And they are a lot more influenced by aesthetics than we are than we are. And that's, I don't think that's being misogynistic. I think that's just being realistic. Not at all. And by the way, any woman who you become close with, your wife, or if you have like a long-term girlfriend and you share those thoughts, they will be open and vulnerable with you and tell you that they agree. They don't know why they do it. They just, they do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. And, you know, why was Trudeau elected?

I had great hair That's why How I don't know what I don't know what the split Between men and women were for Trudeau But I'm sure it was something insane I'm sure it was like

Well you've seen the polls like of what would happen if like Oh, Carney's a good looking guy as well I mean Carney is not an ugly fuck you know Do you want to hear a story Do you know who Stockwell Deyes I know I know who he is I don't know what it looks like

He was he was the conservative like whatever Yeah, tried to start a new party. And when Mark Carney was the Bank of Canada governor, they were coming back from Davos. Harper Day and Carney needed a ride back to Ottawa. So they gave him a ride. And on the plane, Carney told everyone that he thought he looked like Daniel Craig's James Bond.

I mean, he's a good looking guy. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. The aesthetic works for him, right? Yeah. It's funny, like when you, when you, yeah, so the swimming upstream against like a million years of instinct and, you know, sort of purpose for women is funny. I'll share a story again. I'm, you know, I've had a glass of whiskey here, so why not?

When my wife went back to work after we had our daughter, you know, 13, 14 months, for the record, I did not want her to go back to work. I still did not want her to go to work, but that's a different story for another time. She came home from her first day. And I had sent my daughter off to our neighbor, to our discussion earlier about, you know, takes a village. Our neighbor runs a private day care. And there's a couple of kids from the neighborhood that go there. And so she goes for half a day to make some friends.

And my wife got home from her job that day. And she's a, you know, lead dog at the place she works. And she said, you know, it's weird. I felt like going back to work would be good. I'd feel better about things and, you know, have a little more sort of like get up and go. But I got to work and like I just don't feel like I'm as important there as I was before. And then I come home and like you don't have any stories about like our daughter giving you a hard time. And so now I'm not really as important here.

And it's like, what am I doing? And I told her, I'm like, this is what I've been saying forever. There's millions of years of things that have happened to both genders that don't come from nowhere. Okay. My instinct is to do things to support the family. Your instinct should be to be the heart of the household and, you know, pat me on my head and help me build my kingdom or whatever. And like the more that girls do this sort of thing, by this sort of thing, I mean, like, have kids and start a family, the more the sci-op just is completely erased and dude is illegitimate. And this is why, I don't know, like, I'll ask what you think about this in a sec, but I don't know if you've seen this clip of this like probably girl who's maybe in their late 20s-ish and they're at a patio drinking.

and one of her friends just had a baby. And so the baby comes with the girl. And the girl holds the baby and is like, I've never wanted a kid. She starts crying and talking about how she wants kids. And it's like, yeah, you're back to factory settings when you hold a baby. And I got news for you. It's not a 9 to 5.

It's not posting on Instagram in your bikini. It's being a mother. It's like being a matriarch. This is what you're built for. And it's, by the way, it's a calling that we cannot fulfill on our side. I'm never going to have that set of traits. we need it from women and we're not getting it

we're just not getting it I love women so much man and like one of the reasons we gotta pull that pull that clip in Costa Rica oh by the way

there's a movie coming out called the the hummingbird prophecy which is a movie about Bitcoin Jungle which is made by my good friend Paul Keating and Matt Matt is a movie director from

from Toronto. Nice. The movie's been in the works for four years. It's a real movie. It's not a documentary. It's a real fucking documentary. And it features the Bitcoin Jungle crowd, but also the off-grid, homesteading

kind of people here. Yeah. And it features quite heavily the fact that everyone that I know is pregnant. or has multiple kids. And this phenomenon of if you're like being, like, all the women want more kids. And it's so cool to have kids. And like when I moved here, you know, with my wife here, like, we were the only ones who didn't have kids.

You know, like, that's not true. Paul didn't have a kid at the time. Paul now has a daughter. but all of our friends had kids and we were all having kids and we all wanted kids and it's like this, the birth rate amongst the Bitcoin Jungle crowd is

off the charts. You guys are above replacement you think? Yeah? It's got to be like three and a half kids profoundly or something. It's like totally insane. Speaking of which, hello. You want to stay hi to Joey? Shy. Not on the camera though. You muted it. Your mic

is muted. You got to hit your button. You got to hit your button. On your your mic, the red light. Yeah, there you go. There we go. There we go. So yeah, that video was amazing to me because I, and, you know, I've, I've talked to girls that are in the startup space, right? So there are a lot of, a lot of women went to the startup space when I got into the startup space. So like 2013, 14, 15, it was very, very trendy to have like female founders and a lot of female founders were in fintech

or AI or health tech or all that kind of stuff and I have seen some massive mega burnouts I've seen some some women that were like in their early 30s and they're like what the fuck am I doing?

This is not making me happy at all and but also like demographically like voting wise you know that's what's been driving a lot of the problems

and I hate to say it. How do you fix it? You can't, you can't, it's easy for like the Fuentes crowd to say, we have to not allow women to vote. That's not feasible. It's not feasible. Yeah.

So family, family vote is one way. The other way I think that works, honestly, is like you, it's not about, God, we're going to get into trouble here,

but whatever. The other thing is that, you know sort of what the predisposition is. It's your job as the, like, man in the house to influence the outcome. not only your own outcomes, but those outcomes for your wife and your kids and all those things.

And so, like, you know, when I met my wife, we were both liberal. In 2016, I switched and it took her a few years. But as you mentioned there, once you start seeing the repercussions of the way you've been voting, it's very easy to convince you that you've been voting the wrong way. So whether it's immigration or crime or drug use or whatever, you know, it's easy to convince you that you've gotten that wrong. And to your point about pregnancy being contagious, my wife got pregnant, all our friends are either pregnant or have kids now.

And we're going to go through a second round pretty soon. And by the way, the left's worst nightmare is mothers, because mothers vote conservative. Like you said, they vote to protect their kids and to protect their culture. And that's a nightmare for them. They can't have that. That's part of the reason they villainize strong men. Yeah, and you're right. The problem might not be women voting.

It's probably single women voting, actually. Yeah. But, you know, my wife's not going to listen to this podcast. so I'm free to say whatever I want. But if your woman is not subtly and gradually just adopting your political views without realizing that they're your views and they're not her views because they're so obviously, they're so obviously like the right view to have, I think there's a problem. And I think there's an issue.

And I think like that's that I'm not a relationship expert, but I would say like after four years five years, if you have deep philosophical and political divergences, I mean, that's a problem. That's the problem. Right? Because, and I'm not brainwashing her at all, you know, she just thinks that whatever I think. And maybe there's like, you know, I'm thinking some of her views, you know, on health and on other things, you know, like yoga and some of that stuff as well. but I now think are totally normal views. But if you're not converging spontaneously, I mean, she's not converging to you spontaneously

to those views. I mean, there's a problem. There's, there's, I don't think that can, that can last. And I guess I would be very interested actually to divide the, the vote count by single women. I mean, you know, you know what it is. I know, we don't have to divide it. You know.

It's weird Like the whole You know You mentioned it there You're not brainwashing your wife What's happening, I think I think And this is by the way

It happens across genders In Bitcoin and other places too And maybe it trails back to aesthetic I don't know But the thing is that When you have a view on something And the view makes you You know

It raises your sort of sexual market value It is true that espousing that view becomes more favorable to you in that marketplace. It brings you more opportunities in that marketplace. And so it's better for a woman who wants to keep you around to also think about those views. You become sort of the tip of the spear in a lot of ways, right? You're on the vanguard. When it came to politics, you're on the vanguard when it came to money.

Maybe she was on the vanguard when it came to yoga and wellness. And this sort of yin and yang starts to take shape between the two parties. And that's how you got a happy marriage, right? And it's not that hard. And the hope is that you have a kid who embodies the best of both of you with as little of the worst impulses as you can, although it's not always the case, unfortunately. But yeah, it's weird, right? People think it's brainwashing.

But I would just say, if you think it's brainwashing, it's because you know it's wrong and you're trying to convince somebody of something that doesn't fucking work. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And if it's not, you know, if it's not you, then who is it that she's taking her cue from. I love that question. As to as to as to

what we should follow as to what is the safe path as to what is the right direction because you know, I mean again, I'm not a relationship expert but one thing I know about women is they like decisiveness. They don't want you to

ask them where we're going for dinner. Don't do that. Don't ask her where she wants to go to dinner. Tell her where we're going for dinner. That's right. That's right. And best advice ever is like, never do that.

Never ask a woman what she wants to do. Just fucking pick something and she's going to be happy. Whatever, even if it sucks, you know. And if she's not happy, even if it sucks, it means that she doesn't, she's not right for you. That's right. You got to build the experience. It's up to you to do that. It doesn't matter with restaurants any good.

Okay, let's get out of here. It's getting dark where you are. And I'm ready to go pack it in for the night because both of us have kids. And unlike other people listening who are younger, we have a very young audience, you will find that when you have a kid, after 8 o'clock, things get a little dicey for you. You may fall asleep on the couch more. You may find yourself, you know, sorry, back in the morning. I got to ask you one more question. Yeah.

I saw you tweeted about something to do with taxes in Canada today, and you're not going to talk about it. That's great. I'm going to ask you to talk about it. Oh, yeah, 100%. As long as you don't break the news on Twitter, I can leak it. As long as their followers, I mean, it's the end of the show. I think the retention rate is probably 1% at this point. If you make it down here, we actually...

So the Quebec Conservative Party was a very small, like 1% vote party since its inception. And my dad was actually the leader of the Quebec Conservative Party. for quite some time. So I've always been really involved, and I'm obviously, I'm not in the inner circle, but I kind of am a little bit through my dad. And it was always a pro-bitcoin party because my dad's pro-Bitcoin, of course.

And so at the last Congress of the party, like I don't know how it said in English, but the last convention of the party, we decided to push for pro-Bitcoin policies at the conservative party, which include no reporting of your Bitcoin holdings, no taxes on Bitcoin payments, no restrictions on Bitcoin mining,

no, there's a tax form in Quebec now that you legally have to declare your Bitcoin ownership. Even though you didn't sell? Is that exchange only or private, like offline wallets to hardware wallets? No, everything. And Quebec has its own tax agency. So that's not CRA. That's the revenue to Quebec.

So we propose this set of pro-Bitcoin policies, which are the ones that I liked, which is basically they're very simple. It's like no capital gains, don't declare a Bitcoin and don't stop Bitcoin mining. And that was passed. So now the conservative party of Quebec is officially advocating. and if they were to get elected, part of their mandates would be to remove capital gains on Bitcoin payments and remove all blockings and remove all reporting.

And what's interesting is that they're polling at 17% now. Really? Yeah, they're pulling at 17%. And they're projected to win out of 125 seats were projected to win 17, I think, seats is like what the projections are. which would make it third behind the separatists and the liberals. But that can change pretty quick. That can change pretty, pretty quick because it's very tight in a lot of writings.

So, you know, on the low end, I think we're going to get, and now they have zero seats, like zero of 125. It's basically the PPC, a little bit less anti-immigration and a little bit more libertarian. the Quebec Conservatives are literally like libertarian. They're full-blown libertarian party. They're just called conservative because there's a little bit of a, you know, trad kind of component to it as well. Sure, sure. So they're not like cringe libertarian, you know, internet losers.

They're like real, real traditional conservative people. So that's, I mean, that's been passed like a month and a half ago or something. And then we just didn't announce it because we were busy. So we're going to announce that. But I think out of all the political parties that have been pro-Bitcoin, you know, like the de minimis exemption in the U.S. is not guaranteed to pass at all. No. In fact, as we've seen in the last two days, Coinbase is lobbying against that.

And, you know, maybe it's not going to pass at all. and like Argentina still has like capital gains on Bitcoin. Like which country in the world does not have capital gains on Bitcoin? There's like like Portugal has like a, you know, Germany has like capital gains exemption. If you hold for two years. I mean, there's no place in the world where it's basically like, no. Like there's just no taxes if you. Yeah, you can't free spend almost anywhere.

And there is no limit on that. There's no like amount limit. It's like if you spend Bitcoin, if you sell Bitcoin, if you, Bitcoin is money. if you sell or spend Bitcoin it's not a capital gain transaction. And there's a bunch of other little smaller policies about like

the right to self custody and some other shit that's it's not real. You know a wise man once said that if you're worried about capital gains on Bitcoin, you should try not being a pussy. You know someone said that once, right?

I mean, I don't know anything about that? Where is that guy today? I don't live in Quebec so I don't care. And by the way, most Canadians, so now that we have clients in multiple countries and I get to interact with big corners in a lot of countries, I'm going to say that the Canadians are the least pussy of, well, Canadians are not as big pussies as other countries. I'll say that. So Canadians are pretty base. But, you know, I can't say anything. but what I'll say is like if you're buying a coffee with lightning like you know you know come on anyway but people are they're afraid of that they're scared man and we get all sorts of questions like hey like

I bought these tickets to the you know Montreal Bitcoin conference 11 months ago what do you guys recommend like should I get a special tax attorney for that like how do I account for that? You all can help you with that in the support chat. It's very quick. Yeah, do you also do that for that time that you were in Jamaica and you tip a waiter with cash? Like, you know, do you also do that? Anyway, so that's great. That's great.

And like, what's cool about that is like that party has since the beginning been filled with Bickhorners. Very niche, very, very, like PPC level niche. But now they're no longer. EPC-level niche. Now they're mainstream. 17's big. Yeah. 17's big. And 17 is not that far from 31. 31 is what you need. Quebec is kind of like Canada, right? 17. That outpaces like federal NDP, probably the next election.

17%. So 17 outbases the current government. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The current government party is polling at, I think they're actually projected to have zero seats. That's crazy. It's just a huge turnaround. Like you said, like anything can happen. These things happen so fast sometimes. So what's really interesting is that the two contenders are the separatists and the conservatives. And I have zero influence at all. But if I was to say something, I really, really wish that the conservative party of Quebec had leaned into the like ethno-nationalist

discourse, a lot more, which they haven't, because the root is really libertarian. Not like, not MAGA. It's not America First. Right, right. Intellectual libertarianism. Yeah. And because part of the base is also, you know, like Anglo-Montraller. Because typically these are, you know, a lot of the libertarians are Anglo-Montoralers.

Sure, sure. But if some and a lot of people vote for the separatists and not because they want to separate actually. And what's hilarious is that I think only like 70% of people who vote for the separatists want separation. What? What they want. Yeah. And like not all people who vote for separatists are separatists. What they vote for is like I want to live in a place where people look like me and talk like me.

So I want to live in a place. Like, I want people to speak French and I want to go to the restaurant and have a menu in French. And I want the waiter to be Quebecer. Yeah. And I want to live in my life. And, like, it's always been. And that's what the Patriot Quebecois represents for these people, even though they are very, very, very, very, commy socialists. Really?

People don't care about that. Yeah, they are. Like, the Quebec nationalists are very, very left wing. Wow. That flies in the face of all left-wing politics, not just here, but everywhere. I mean, we're talking about going back to like the Palestine liberation movements of the 60s, the IRA. Like, that's what the PQ came from. The PQ came from like Marxist, Leninists, revolutionary groups of the 60s.

And today you have kind of like a tame, you know, more corporate version of that. Optimizing for the normie, right? Like you said. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But they're full-blown Marxists. and the average Quebecer and what you said was

the problem with Quebec is that we are a collectivist people and and it's just how we are because we come from a very deep Catholic where we come from Quebec never had the French Revolution by the way

right so we went from the feudal system of Lords and the King to British conquest to democracy. So we never went through this kind of process of, you know, intellectual liberation. Like we were always a peasant society where there's a Lord and you follow the Lord or there's a priest or there's an archbishop and you follow the Archbishop and then we are

a flock and that's why Quebec is so great also because we're very tight. And we always like a thing about Quebecers that I wish the Canadians could experience, which you never will, really, is you go to a bar in Barcelona. You hear, I can hear the Quebec accent fucking, dude, on the water when I'm surfing. It's like, fucking 500 meters away. And instantly, it's like, hey, you're one of us. Let's go. We don't have that.

Yeah, we don't have that. You know? And so we are a collective society that has, like, the Irish. kind of, you know, like, uh, um, there are certain parts, kind of like the east coast is sort of like that,

I think you could do that. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. It's definitely not, it's definitely like, it's definitely like not Protestant. No.

No, no, you know, it's, it's very Catholic. Um, even though we booted the Catholic church in the 60s, like we are a Catholic,

you know, parish oriented, uh, culture and we're, we're full-blown collectivists. Um, and I don't think we're ever going to get rid of that. I don't think we'll ever get to the level of American individualism.

And that's why the socialists are so popular. But yeah, so long story short, no taxes on Bitcoin payments. 20 minutes. Okay. And will they get elected at the next election? You know, it is not impossible. It is not impossible that they would win. You want it to make the news anyways. You want people to know that there is a movement out there that they might be represented by more than, you know,

quote unquote, mainstream politics. Yeah, and they're not clowns. Like, the conservatives are not clowns. The leader of the conservative party is, I would describe him as being kind of like a talker, Carlson of Quebec. How old is he? How old is he? Eric Duem, he's, I would say he's early 60s, I think.

On a cool zone, maybe. In the cool zone, he's not cool. He's not cool. But he's kind of cool. He's kind of cool. He's kind of cool. He's like, he's not, he's a radio show host. Okay.

So he's cool enough, you know. He's gay, by the way. He's a gay, hey, hey. Gay man. Very private about his gayness. He does not talk about his gayness at all. And he's, yeah, he's, he's, you know, he's been seen at, he's been seen in the Bitcoin.

scene. I like that. Yeah, he's a cool dude. So I really hope they win. Not going to change anything. Not going to do much, but it's nice to know, it's nice to know that at least like one small core of people, it's nice to know that you, that you're not alone. Let's just say it that way. Totally agree. It's like, it's kind of like, you know, the Bernie APPC.

You know, they won a lot of votes. I mean, they won like 4%. I mean, that's a lot of people. Huge jump election to election. Yeah. It's like a million. How much did they get? How many votes did you get? I don't know how many they got, but I know they,

the number, the gap, the delta between whatever it was, 2022 and this year, or last year, I guess at this point, was huge. And like,

I don't think, I mean, if Bernier was to get elected, I think things would actually change. Oh, for sure. That guy's for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

He's, he's, he's, he's, I've talked to him quite a bit, actually. I was colleagues with him. when I was very young.

Really? Yeah. I'm going to try and get him on the show. He's a bit of a firecracker and he's divisive. But, I mean, like the point, and he's smart. He's smart. Like, one of the things you try and do,

you know, I mean, I have to tell you this. But one of the things you try and do when you're doing a show like this is you got to get people on who, even if you disagree with them, you got to think that they actually believe in what they're saying. And they're not just doing it.

Do you speak French? Do you speak French? A bit, yeah. I mean, your entire team makes, your entire team makes funny for Le Meme shows fucking two years ago, whatever that was.

Bernie and French is a whole different level than Bernie and the world. Because he's, his English is just not great, right? It's okay. But it's just, in French, it's a whole other ballgame. He's super fucking base. I've had many, many discussions with him over the years. We were colleagues. We didn't overlap.

So it's not exactly true that we were colleagues. We worked at the same place with like, I think a couple of months difference. at the Montreal Economic Institute where he was vice president and I was my intern. But again, like I've seen him at the libertarian cocktail parties and that kind of stuff and he's a real

fucking stand-up guy, man. He's a real, he's a real, real guy. And he's actually, I didn't think about demographics and immigration and remigration at all before 2023, big topic now, huge topic.

Remigration especially. And I mean, to be perfectly honest, it's the only topic I care about. There's a lot of people that say, like, all these other things, whether it's like economic hardship or, you know, birth rates. It's all down stream from like migration messes that we've created for ourselves. And by the way, like people, people hate, they hate, they hate this idea that we have to send people away from Canada. Like, I just want to remind people that all.

All throughout history, okay, whether you agree with that or not, all throughout history, whatever idea you think is extreme, the idea that comes after it is so much worse than what you think is extreme now. And I don't know whether remigration will catch on. I have no idea. But all I know is that everyone I talk to knows about it. And I work in a place where no one is allowed to talk about that kind of thing. And I have friends where no one wants to talk about it when their wife is around, when their

kids are around. But everyone I know in every private conversation, and much like many of you, many new group chats have popped up with one or two less people than the big group chat over the last few years. And this is what comes up in those group chats now. I think it's the only thing. Again, in Quebec, I think it's a little different because the thing is, so one thing that's really interesting about Quebec that people need to understand is that the other day I was doing my family. Like, I actually have a, we have a family ancestry.ca account where I saw these tweets you put out. Oh my God.

And then, you know, it goes back in a straight line to my ancestor. And then we're always looking for me and my uncle like documents and like photos of tombstones and stuff like that to add to the tree. And then I was trying to, I was trying to like, you know, do the actual exponential tree. Like, you know, two grand, two parents, four grandparents, eight, 16, three, two, six, three, two, four. So that tree goes really big. And then I went to like six generation before my browser crashed. And then you know what I saw? I saw in my, so like what am I made of?

Like what is the recipe for Francis? And the recipe is literally every single person that I know. You know, Paquette, Merci. Like my literally like the names in my tree are like the names of Bolbequin employees, all of my friends. We're literally all made of the same stuff. And we argue or something like that. But the thing is, it does become a little different for us when it's like,

and I think that's happening right now. There's actually a mega scandal, mega scandal happening in Quebec, which is that these kids from a high school basically lynched an old man on the street and filmed it. I saw this. I saw this. You put on YouTube. That, dude, that is the new. of the year so far.

Even in the Quebec subredits that are pretty liberal, not Quebec Libre. There's like two other ones that are sort of a candidate of Canada. They're pretty hard on those kids in both languages, by the way. So some of that is for an English audience and from an English audience, not just the Quebec French. And it is so it is so un-Kubeker as a behavior because Quebecers are very soft. They're very docile, very, like, British-y, northwest France types, like, very polite, not Italian, not Irish, not Portuguese, not South of France. Like, very, very soft people, like, that speak loud and that are very polite and very, very nice, very peaceful people as general. like the Haitian, North African,

not like the French, by the way, we're not like the French. Like that is very different from the French. I find French people to be horribly rude and loud and annoying. Completely. Completely different. Like, it's basically, it's really, the thing that we have in common with the French is like food and, you know. Love of cigarettes.

Love of cigarettes. love our cigarettes and I would say more like habits, right? But in terms of personality, we're definitely closer to the British. Like in terms of we're very, very, and then that scene of these kids, which are obviously like Haitians and Moroccans. Yeah, they're all new, yeah, new arrivals. And I think, I think that was, that was for sure at tipping point where it's like, the problem that Quebec had historically with immigration is that we were so convinced

that our culture, you know what the enemy was? It was Louisiana. We were going to become Louisiana. So we were all going to learn English and we're going to become American. That was the fear of the Quebecer, is that we're all going to stop speaking English. And then eventually French is going to be a tourist. There's going to be like tourists traps downtown Montreal where you have like a French menu. But like we don't speak French anymore.

So how did we deal with that problem? Let's immigrate the Haitians and the North Africans. Let's get all these guys to come because they speak French. So let's let's, that was our big mistake because what we should have done is we should have imported Germans, Portuguese, Italians, Polish, Ukrainians, Scandinavians, and they would all have learned French anyway. Yes, that's right.

Of course, you would have learned French, right? And then, and then, you know, a lot of the Quebecers, you know, I have like this ethno-genetic thing going, but I have a lot of French-Canadian friends or Quebec friends that are like Portuguese or Italian or Irish. And there's no way to tell.

There's no way to tell, right? It's like, okay, maybe we don't have. have the same ancient blood ties as these guys, as the other guys, but like, you know, Mackay or McAllen or, you know, Portuguese names. Like, they're like third, fourth generations. They're just, they're, they don't even know that they're not Quebeco. Like, if I tell them that you're not Quebecua, they're being like, what the fuck you're talking about?

You know, they fully, but like, you know, the North Africans and the Haitians and the, and the Africans, when I grew up, you know, there was a. bunch of, you know, Arabs and Africans and Haitians in school because all of them spoke French. And it was great. It was great, you know. And good friends still, you know. But the difference was like when I, in 2002 or 2001, when I got into high school, Quebec was still like 94% you know, European. Yeah. And then, you know, okay, like you got a bunch of Arab friends and it's, and they're cool actually. They're super. It doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't matter. because the overwhelming majority is still like that same sort of like hardened, durable

culture, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And there's no choice but to assimilate into that culture. And by the way, like, again, people will, people who listen to this show won't necessarily say this, but I think like so many people are afraid to say these things because the first thing they think is someone's going to call me a racist. Like, you know, Francis and I around the same age, we grew up with, it was like a Benetton ad at my school, you know, it's a Benetton ad where I work.

It's a Benetton ad in my neighborhood. I don't care about that. What I care about is like, do you, do you care about the culture? Will you defend the things that made you want to come here when times call for you to defend those things? Or will you become part of the diaspora from which you came? And you can't risk these things. And by the way, you know, we keep on hearing, I tweeted this today that we keep on hearing that the only thing that's going to save me from low birth rates is bringing in more villagers from the third world. Meanwhile, China, what are they doing?

Putting in the opposite policy, right? if you come here you got to speak Chinese if you don't speak Chinese you can't stay that like that to me is so easy to do and if you want to you know keep your culture keep your religion whatever at your house go for it but there is not going to be anymore

they don't want to hear they don't want to hear the actual solution to the birth rate you can't flip the switch don't flip the switch you can't you can't talk about women in the workplace that's for sure I mean come on like

it's a big problem Dude, it's a big problem. It's a symptom. It's a symptom of the money problem. Why are women not having babies? I know. Can we not fucking say it? I know.

I know. Everyone knows this. Women especially know it, by the way. It's not a mystery. I was watching. And sometimes you see these videos of like the women. They're like, I really wish I could have a baby. But like me and my boyfriend, we're fucking broke.

We can't afford it. We can't afford it. Exactly. And like and. Side out, by the way. You can't afford it. It's not that expensive. Yeah.

You're true. 100%. It's cope and it's a sciop. But at the same time, it's not true, but it's understandable why you would feel that way. It's totally understandable why you would feel that way. And like, all right, I think enough cancellation for today, Jerry. Tell people where they can hear more. Tell people where they can hear more of your opinions. online.

Where can they find your family tree? Where can they hear more of your opinions on women in the workplace? Just follow me on Twitter. At Francis Pouliot underscore. That's right. Make sure you fucking say it that way. We're out of here. Take care of yourselves.

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