The Canadian Bitcoiners Podcast - Bitcoin News With a Canadian Spin - The Digital ID Future, Cultural Clashes, Racism and Parenting Advice w/ Mark Jeftovic | The CBP

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

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Oh, I see you have snow crash. Actually, I was going to get that nuclear war book and then I just didn't get around to it. No, you'll never get it back. I'm like, I'm like tearing down our office right now. Just the little tiny like placeholder office. Should I move my mic down? I'll put the headphones on.

We're recording, by the way. Yeah. And I got all these boxes of books and I'm like, I'm never going to read all these books. But then like I'll be writing the newsletter or something or writing something. And I'm like, Oh, fuck. There's a quote in that one book I want to pull out.

And I ended up buying them again on Kindle or something, just so I can pull the quote. Are you a trophy book guy? So you buy the book, like electronically and then buy the book to put on your shelf? Not for trophy purposes, but I like having the book. I make notes in the book. I dog ear my books. And then if it's a book that I reference a lot, I will buy the Kindle version just to have. And sometimes I'll have the audio book version too.

I haven't done this setup in a long time you can move your chair too if you want we'll figure out the cameras in a sec like I said this is it's been a while since we've done in person whoops here I'm about to topple the table there's a weight on the bottom of it too just in case welcome back CBP me and Mark

Hey Joey Yeah good to see you buddy I guess we could do the ads I mean I'll just probably throw the ads in after because I don't feel like reading them all but um not the corporate sponsors again well we have so much to talk about like i don't want to waste time reading the ads while you're here because like you know you have this uh long view on i guess like the rollout of the the surveillance state collapse the money system

and how much is that of that has happened in the last like month yeah it's really accelerating it's frightening it's accelerating at a rate that uh alarms and astounds me yeah because i hate you and i we both complain about the level of slop on twitter or x you know the slop level is ridiculous and and just the hysteria has always been ridiculous and people posting you know screen grabs with just sensational bombastic things is annoying and then but now like there's all these sensational bombastic things really happening like the legislation that's coming out in canada what's happening in england with digital like crazy just everything uh is getting really crazy and the problem now is i think we're desensitized to the craziness of it because of this

epidemic of slop that preceded it do you think people even realize the digital idea thing that's going on in the uk like that that was really fresh yesterday and i spent i was up at like 5.30 this morning trying to find like anything live from whatever that leaders conferences is going on in the UK or New York or whatever it is. There's tons of stuff like Sky News has something and BBC's got something. There's not a single live anything from any European or UK leader of note about this digital ID. It's people who are incompetent and lacking charisma getting dressed down by members of the public on talk shows. It's people who are incompetent and lacking charisma getting dressed down by Twitter nims.

But Starmor is nowhere to be found. This is one clip obviously of him floating around regarding the necessity of people. You have to have that digital ID to have a job. I saw that one this morning. I was like, wow, that escalated quickly, as they say. Yeah, it's fast. And I think people don't, people realize for the most part, that this is like obviously bullshit you know when when there's a i'm going to use pointed language

here these are my words not marks but like when there's like a 50 iq migrant swinging a knife around at a daycare you can't flash him the fucking id and hope that he doesn't kill all the kids like that doesn't that doesn't work when the same 50 iq migrant is groping a chick at a bus stop or stealing a cell phone riding by on a scooter or robbing a grocery store or whatever explain to me how the digital ID solves that problem. I don't think anyone's problem in the UK is that people are migrating there and working. That would be okay, probably, in a lot of cases. The problem they're having is they're migrating there, living for free and causing chaos. Cultural destruction is the term I'll use. Everyone on Twitter is saying this. Guys like Farage taking advantage of it politically,

of course, but I think they mean it when they say they don't want it. I'm not familiar with all the political stripes in the UK, but there's definitely more than one, including people in Starmer's party saying, I don't know if I want to get behind this. This is a weird hill to die on for Starmer at a time when, I think he's broadly unpopular. Most of the polling has Farage winning the next election and what I guess would be a landslide over there. Why do it now? Why now for this idea?

Yeah, I know. I mean, in some ways, not in some ways. In every way, digital ID is inevitable. Like to think that you're going to walk around with like. drink-wrapped pieces of plastic in your in your wallet like that's that's that's like a 1960s concept so and there's of course because we're into bitcoin there we and we understand public key cryptography we know that there's even a right way and a wrong way to do digital ID that you could you could preserve some privacy and some autonomy with it but it doesn't I don't have any faith

that the UK would use such a system what will get are sort of the straight ahead head, well, not CBDC, that's kind of like a four-letter word nowadays, but like the China style, the CCP-style social credit digital ID is kind of happening everywhere. And for some reason, Starmer has just pounced on it in England, despite the fact that the country is practically burning to the ground around him. Yeah. On the brink of financial and civil failure, it's really something to behold. What is also scary, I don't mean to wander all over the place topically,

but it's like England is sort of like 20 months ahead of Canada. Yeah. Like it just seems like we're hell bent on following Starmer into oblivion. Well, we've talked on CBP and on Access of VZ and other places about like the bills coming through the pipeline in Canada, C2, C11, maybe he's the other one. I've lost track. C8 is like what C26 was last time. And, and then there's that. tuck in bill to C2, which I forget the acronym, it's like the digital infrastructure provider

information access thing. Okay. Right? This gets tucked in the C2 and this basically means I pay attention to that because we're easy DNS and we're sort of like in the crosshairs. That's the one where the burden, the regulatory burden to make an ISP or a digital provider give access is like a lot lower like you don't even need a warrant it's just you have to be ordered by an authorized entity or person like what is that well in the lists I don't know

if it is spelled out in this one or in C8 or in the previous C26 but it varied from like the the atomic energy commission yeah right the royal Canadian mint like you know like all these places could say, yeah, I need, I need all your data. I need all your info. In the past, you needed at least a warrant. Now, even that was a little on the Kafkaesque side. We have received sealed warrants delivered to us by CIS on two or three occasions over the course of EZDNS's history. No one you would know was the target of it. Like it wasn't zero hedge or something like that. It was like, oh, I've never heard of these guys and they're on our system. So people who are below the radar, but you can't even keep a copy of the warrant, right?

We're on, you know, Mark, hey, we're coming to see you. We have a request for you. When's good, you know, and you meet and they show up. And it's like, here's the order. You can't take a picture of it. You can't have a copy of it. You can't even make notes of it other than you can write down the date the judge's number or the judge's name the order number and the domain name involved yeah you can make a note of that and when you're done we take it away even that is like pretty that's kofka ask yeah yeah it's it's interesting i mean this is a bit of a loose tie-in but canada post obviously on strike now yeah uh because they're talking about removing um door-to-door mail delivery i think a lot of people there's there's a tie in here that if canada post had any

vesticular fortitude at all they'd make this case to the public i would love for them to do it they won't because they're you know wrapped up in free palestine or whatever other nonsense or shit their their union members are paying for but the canada post mandate is the same as the u.s. postal service mandate from you know century ago century and a half ago whatever and the mandate was we need a way for citizens to communicate privately this is why there's such a um like an eye of Soron over private mail, you cannot open someone else's mail under penalty of law. Every modern democracy has these rules because of that private communication element. And obviously now there's other ways to people communicate privately.

And so Canada Post, well, it still has that mandate technically, I guess, doesn't really serve it. And if Canada Post was serious about protecting its business model, its mandate, and ultimately its union membership, it would say, the government is getting ready to encroach on your privacy at every turn. If you want continued private options, you know, we're an arm's length, Crown Corporation, we'll give you some kind of online private messaging service. We'll continue to give you private mail. We'll continue. But if you let us go, there's no way you're going to get us back and there's no way you're

going to get that back. It would be a way for them to pivot from right now they're antagonistic to the public. The public hates them. The public thinks they're entitled brats, which they are, to, we're now on the public side. And in fact, C2 explicitly gives Canada the ability to open mail without a warrant. For six months. For six months. Yeah.

So they could harvest that and say, well, here's a soft spot we could push back on. And they could tell the federal government to like, hey, go fuck yourselves. Yeah. We're on the side of the people. I would love that. And maybe get some public support to say, hey, yeah. Pay them 19% instead of 13%. Whatever they turned down, something insane.

I wish I was getting 13% every couple of contracts. It's funny, like the digital ID thing to go back to the UK, the number of people, and this is something that's happened, I think, just since 2020, let's say your 2021. The number of people now who are at least on the margins, quote unquote, awake, the things like this, has never been greater. the people who are anti big government at some level even if they can't articulate it has never been greater you mentioned the UK burning down people are being arrested in the middle of the night for retweeting like Palestine Hamas are those real they're real because I've seen I don't mean to interrupt

but like those cause me extreme anxiety yeah right because my my X time lines same I'm unhinged on X I admit it I apologize to everyone out there I'm sorry I called you retards this morning when you were talking about the Jim Kramer thing anyway like I'm I just kind of let it hang out on X and I feel terrible sometimes about it and it's like I look at my timeline and I'm like I'm a real asshole out there yeah so I see these clips of UK citizens having their doors kicked in yeah do you see the one with the the woman officer you can't use the barricade breaker thing But the thing is, I've seen some others, right?

And I'm a community note editor. And I know you are too. I don't know if we're allowed to disclose that or if we have to kill each other now. But so some of the ones you see, like you see the one where it's like, oh, this kid is eight-year-old kid being arrested for waving a British flag. And then you sort of, you go through the community notes and you realize, no, wait a minute, he was charged for like an actual. some shoes or something he stole some shoes or something it's like okay that's still excessive force but my point is like you don't know what's true on social media and i don't want to believe some of this stuff i'm seeing come out of the UK is true on social media i don't want to believe

some of the stuff i see coming out of at a tobico is true on social media right but it's like okay is this are people really being arrested in the dead of the night in england for tweets I mean, we don't have to guess that guy who just went on Rogan a month ago, the comedian, flies back to the UK, gets picked up at the airport. That really happened. That's a real thing. You know, the kid with the shoes and some of these other ones where it's like, yeah, the police are talking to children.

I get it. And I don't want people to post untrue things on Twitter. I hate that. It drives me crazy. It's bad for the cause. And I'm like, I don't want that because it does make us easy targets. And when people call us, you know, when they say we're. seeing ghosts this this sort of behavior lends itself to that um that assessment but the thing that

i will say is even if you think that the kid did steal shoes and the police are there those same police let Pakistani migrants rape kids for 15 years yes and so like don't you have a grooming gang exactly like you have you should have other priorities and i think any police force would say that regardless of their political stripe like some things are more serious and others. And although the government doesn't seem to have a handle on the theory behind finite resources and infinite wants, the police department certainly does, right? They know that they have only a certain amount of officers in uniform and they can disperse them and distribute them and apply them however they like, but they should be looking at things that are serious

and have potential to spread and metastasized and all this. They don't seem to be doing it there. And the thing I think is happening all over the place, including here in Canada, is it's actually simpler than we think, and this is to your, you know, I think this kind of lines up with your there is no they thesis. I think people are just lazy. And if you give officers of any stripe, any color, ethnicity, religion in any country, an opportunity to say, I did my job today by arresting a guy who tweeted meanly, as opposed to I did my job today by calming down physical violence at a migrant hotel or I stopped a car thief in its hope they will always choose the path of least resistance they're like water you know so we have to take away these opportunities

like this should not be something that police are ever focused on that jails are ever concerned about that politicians are ever speaking about publicly because clearly one of these things harms very few people if any at all that's only if you agree with things like hate speech being a real you know legitimate uh silo of spoken word like i don't think that i don't think you probably think that either you have all these other problems that people are like complaining about dying over yeah and uh the public is like i said they're awake to this now you got to take away these these opportunities for i did my job with you know i attended a umas protest on young street today that was my job i make a hundred thirty thousand dollars that's not good can't

have that and I think that's that's part of the problem that we're seeing in most these these countries now yeah I'm trying to think of the word for it where it's just like well the priorities are all out of whack right like you here in Canada right every morning I confront the news and it's not just on social media yeah it's not just on social media I for some reason I added like the RSS feed for CP 24 to my mail reader and it's like this is a society in free fall. Like this is the fall of Rome kind of stuff. Yeah. You know, not not being sacked by vandals, not yet, sort of, but sort of the long descent, you know, like the John Greer book.

Like it took 300 years for Rome to just really go from empire. For Rome to know that it was going from Empire to crumbling. But like here, it's sort of like, like, there's a guy got chased down in the street and executed in Richmond Hill yesterday or this morning. You didn't see that one yet? It's like the footage is out there. It's, it's, uh, and I actually, it looked like he was jogging, right? And someone runs behind them, boom.

Is he a known guy? This is all I know about it. And then you see a van pull up or an SUV pull up. the whoever did it runs into the car and jumps in the back and it drives away it was somebody it was some house's surveillance camp got the whole thing and to his credit another jogger came up even while the gunman was still on the road and he came up and he was kneeling over the guy and kind of looking at the truck uh because you know a lot of people in this day and age would have like i think i'm going to stay away from the live fire yeah yeah but um yeah that's just

happened i just saw that like shortly before i set out to come here and i'm like wow the richmond hill right um and then you know again i'm kind of like wandering aimlessly here but maybe not aimlessly there's a theme the the the the the catch and release situation in canada is just no to control and what's bothering me about this is there's not a lot of reporting follow-up reporting on what happens on a lot of these criminals who get caught. So a lot of times, these 12-year-old kids might, I don't know if it's the same 12-year-old kid or multiple 12-year-old kids who are like home-invading and murdering people while they were out, the one was out on a, on bail.

Yeah, I did see that. I'm laughing. It's not funny. Yeah, I know. The two guys. And actually, I was trying to call the Brampton Courthouse because I just wanted to know, but I was on hold and I just had to get into a meeting. But the two guys who, the guy who was trying to sell his car and they slashed his throat.

That's right. And they were in court last on September 18th. I'm like, okay, well, what happened in that bail hearing? Are they back out on, are those two guys back out on the streets right now or are they being held pending trial? If there's no reporting, you know the answer. Yeah. And in some places, like in some states, in the U.S. or whatever, it's all, the court system is all online and you can just look up where they are and what's happening. Even the BC system, you can sort of see what the various different appearances are scheduled in that.

But in Ontario, all it really is is the next day's docket, right? You can see the next day's docket, but you don't know what happened to them after that. So you kind of have to call. As a member of the public, you're allowed to find out. Are you? Yes. Okay. And you can see, even at Chad CheapT wrote me a nice script to say, call this number, say this.

But then you spend like 45 minutes on hold. The process is the punishment. Yeah. And so it goes for people trying to find out more too. It's terrible because one of the things I'm seeing on Twitter, and I'm guilty of this too, like there is clearly a cultural element here to the. crime. And politicians in this country and the UK and the UK and other places as well, Australia still today I saw in one of these leadership debates calling people who notice patterns in crime

far right or xenophobic or worse, like racist. I think calling people racist is despicable, honestly, if you notice that a lot of people coming from certain parts of India are committing an outnumbered, like they're outperforming. They're outkicking their coverage as the sports saying goes okay and like I don't think it's necessarily racist say that like I have a lot of Indian friends I grew up in the 90s I have a lot of black friends Indian friends we never thought about this stuff and I know that I'm not the only one thinking about it I'm certainly not the only race thinking about it I know other people are thinking about this even even second third generation Indians are of course they are they're like you're you're making us all look

we spent we spent 30 years establishing a great integrating and working hard and building a business and all of a sudden it's and now what yeah people don't come to my door anymore they don't patronize my shop anymore and it's it's frustrating for them and it's not fair and i think that what i'm seeing on twitter is really to your to your earlier point about like the breakdown of society i really for the first time this gets bandied around all the time this idea of like a civil war yeah but how many more ingredients you need to see you have a crime ingredient you have a racial ingredient. There's an unreconsolable political divide, which we'll get into here and probably more over lunch in a bit. I don't know what other ingredients you need for the powder cake, because it

seems to me like this thing is lit and running out a fuse. I don't see it happening in Canada. Tell me why. But you do see happening in the States. I can't articulate it. I can see it happening. I can see it happening in the States partly because gun ownership is part of their DNA. Okay. there's only three countries in the world where gun ownership is constitutionally guaranteed states Mexico and some other country in South America I can't remember which one Canada we're too meek it's just so what'll happen instead is is is flight capital flight skills flight intellectual flight like you know we have our friends the Venezuelans who just when the Venezuelans are fleeing the country you should take notice yeah right yeah so um

i that's where i see it happening i don't ever see i could be wrong like i could be i could be a hundred percent wrong but um it is irreconcilable but there is this this inherent like just total meekness among most Canadians I think and and that's I don't mean to insult our fellow listeners who are not in that bucket but like the whole the media is the worst you know the whole 65% of Canadians would would pick would fight a US invasion yeah okay sure which which 65% the 65% that are type 2 diabetic or the 65% that are on antidepressant so the ones you don't know what gender they are. Which 65% are you talking about?

65% of Canadians wouldn't lift a finger to stop a grooming game. Like, fucking having a gang rape and a bus shelter six feet away from them. Yeah. That's 65% of Canadians. That's right. I think that's right. And it's a sad state of affairs. Yeah.

It's funny that, you know, we'll talk about, we'll talk a bit about the sort of naked politics that I certainly am thinking about embracing. I haven't done it outright yet, although I have received. You know, at this point, it's got to be 100 messages about the direction our show has taken over the last year or so. Probably no coincidence to coincides with the birth of my daughter, honestly. But there comes a point, I think, for a lot of people where like the saying goes or like the quote goes, a reasonable person can only take so much before they become unreasonable in their response. And I don't think I'm quite unreasonable, but I do think that the Overton window for what people are willing to say and do and support in public. has really shifted in a way that is

negative for cohesion I see stuff on Reddit and some of the darker corners of Twitter about like all white enclaves I see stuff about religious religious exclusion and I do think there's like religious cultures that are inferior

I'll be honest but like whether you believe these things or not is sort of irrelevant to the point the point is that this cannot happen in a country that's supposed to have some unified long-term goal yeah this is a problem um there's there's in some elements there is an overt racist element to it for sure which i'm not happy about yeah in the least right especially like you see it when um you know sometimes some of those those those uh i don't know what the call

them those those quick hit digest accounts will publish something about uh brown people doing the right like a heart warmer so it's like here's five tweets of car crashes and then here's some some brampton guys cleaning up a park i did see exactly this tweet by the way yeah i know and the comments are a dumpster fire really right it's like deport you know fuck those guys doesn't change the outcome yeah and it's so it's like okay so because and to me you got the noticing effect right yeah okay we got you look at the graph and noticing by the way two years ago would have had seeing the noticing or you're noticing

would have had you branded a racist anti-semi whatever right whatever the sort of flavor du jour was this once now everybody says this but you look at the graph the immigration graph it's like okay nuclear that's a lot of fucking people right and then you look at

all the crimes okay there's a serious correlation here what can be done about it but at the end of the day and I've always said this even before this situation it's like the aggregate tells you absolutely nothing about the individual for sure zero at all so i get i get my backup about the racism and stuff on social media because um to me it's the lowest iq filtering mechanism available i think people will push back on that but i'm just

kind of like it's a low IQ filter so it's too broad a brush you think it's yeah it's like because you know you meet when you deal with people on an individual one-on-one basis like how often do you come across like a real knuckle-dragging troglodyte yeah never hardly ever how often do you come across people who are not the same color as you don't speak the same language natively as you like all day long yeah all day long you're meeting people from like different cultures races religions totally all of it and it's like even even one of the other 48 genders you'll meet a bunch of them out in public and you don't even know it sometimes you just you order your burger they hand it to you you say have a nice day and you walk like do you know what

I mean you just interact with these people normally nine times out of 10 99 times out of 10 900 times out of a thousand there are no problems most people are civil so I don't really like that but that's a bit of a digression but coming back to it though the house is on fire the call is coming from inside the house as you like to say Like, we got a problem here and no amount of calling people who notice it racist is going to fix it. Yeah. Right. It was like completely unrelated.

The two doctors he just talked to said, you fix these two big things about the Canadian healthcare system. It changes the incentive structure entirely and it improves things markedly. You don't have to list them here. But it was like two big things. Well, what could you do in Canada? One, bring the numbers down. Nobody's saying Fortress Canada, like screw the rest of the world, but we used to have a merit-based immigration system. It was the best on the earth, probably.

Yeah. And we used to skim the cream unapologetically. And I'm like, yeah, you know what? Let's just bring the smartest, richest, like not, not, doesn't have to be the same, the smartest or the richest or the most talented or the most dedicated people to this country and let them. do their thing from wherever out there you know let's just stack the deck do you think do you think that uh the reason that stopped is because these same governments realized that their policy positions are driving are driving a wedge into the society and to stay in power it's not those people you need you need people who are on the on the tit and so you got to bring in people who

need the tit in perpetuity like i it's frustrating for me to see stuff like the policies around I mean, I'll call it chain migration. I don't know what you would call it here. There's probably a technical name for it, but someone who comes in on an LMIA is able to bring their parents. That doesn't help us demographically. By the way, Canada's demographics have not improved since 2015. Like, it doesn't help us economically,

certainly not militarily or from the standpoint of being on the cutting edge of these all important industries, AI and tech. So what does it help with? Well, the only thing I can put my finger on is that it helps keep people in power. And, like, I don't know what else to say about it. This, this obviously flies in the face of what we were talking about earlier, how there is no they, but it seems to me like they realize that these people vote a certain way. And everyone by this point has seen these statistical outputs about if only second generation Canadians voted, it never not have a conservative government.

But as soon as you add, because in the States, they run it against, like, color. But like in Canada, it doesn't matter what color you are. If you've been here for 30 years, you vote blue. Yeah. If you just got here, you vote red. And it's like this obvious, obvious divide. And so sometimes I wonder, like, did they actually see some of this coming in 2015? Like, we have to keep running these policies.

The money is going to fail. The government's going to be in jeopardy to stay in power. We need as many of these people as we can get. It could. So to your point that there is no they, it is getting increasingly hard for me to believe that there is no thing. Oh, man, you're coming off this side. I know.

I mean, it's a flagship point here. Hanlon's razor, right? It's like a founding principle of my worldview and it's really hard to hang on to it. And if you don't know it, I mean, that's the one. Don't ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity. Yeah. I think it came from a Robert Heinlein.

Is this stupidity or malice or malice is another one? Yeah, but it's one of those, there's variations, I guess. Is it that? You know, what you just described, is it that callous? Or is it more, like, when I do posit that there could be a they behind this, I look at more of a naive, ideological, babian influenced of this is all for inclusiveness. We need to be more inclusive. We need to be woke.

right and and they honestly believe that this is the solution to say well we just have to we've got low population anyway we need more people there's a bunch of people over there they all want to come here problem solved right like i that sort of blends both aspects of like there's this there's this they motivated ideology behind it straight out of davos or or a warren wager book if you're familiar with him no he was a 1950s 60s era thinker who kind of informed a lot of like the the echo the neo-Marxist movement of like building the city of man um hervoye cites him a lot moreick yeah and he basically started disposing um a global technocracies very socialist in stripe run by experts and management because the people are stupid and they're

a dumb herd of cows that need to be managed. And I believe that I believe that people like the liberal government of Canada, the labor government of England, the Davos Club, Club of Rome, all those, so those they, that's their informing worldview. Is there not some truth to that? There is and there isn't. Yeah, I mean, so you actually bring up something that I've often called, in my own mind, Mr. Rabbit's dilemma. Okay. And I actually planned someday when I finally retire.

I've got like a list of 12 books to write and that's one of them. So do you remember when COVID came out, Amazon put out a series called Utopia about a. No. So they put out a series about Utopia, which was written. came out right when COVID came out. And it was about a government plot to release a vaccine in response to a global pandemic that actually destroyed the fertility of the next three generations to cut global population down.

Interesting. Okay. Well, they canceled it after one season. It wasn't the original. The original was a BBC series from about 10 years earlier that had two or three seasons to it. You have to watch it. Okay.

Fucking phenomenal. Really? Anyway, the shadowy villain behind the scenes was this character called Mr. Rabbit. I don't want to give out spoilers, but Mr. Rabbit actually changes over the series, like who becomes Mr. Rabbit. And I guess I have to give this part away. One of the people who becomes the new Mr. Rabbit was one of the plucky, sort of survivors at the beginning who sort of stumble on this conspiracy it hinges around

this comic book right that was like coming true okay great series so they're they're on the run because these shadowy forces are chasing them well one of those ones becomes the new mr rabbit because he realizes at some moment at the end of the second season i think it's like oh my god they're right we do have to cut like he realized everything that the they had set out to do through god awful nefarious means had to be done and he kind of it drove him insane like the the it fades to black at the end of season two and he's like shredding him he's mutilating himself with a knife and screaming because he has just become the new mr rabbit and he understands the necessity of what they were trying to do and the terribleness of how they were doing

it. So what do you, I mean, you just wrote a piece that I won't, I don't remember the title off top of my head, but the just the piece is just shut up and do something. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm like some of those I'm reading about it. You know what I mean? So like, you know, I want to talk a bit about that and it's a good time to bring it up because we, you know, we've spent, I can't see the clock, but I'd guess like half an hour, 40 minutes talking about these problems. Yeah. And you know, for me, I, I, I waffle between like, should I keep telling people how I feel. at the expense of like, I don't know, like you said, your Twitter account turns into a dumpster fire. It's a mess. I wouldn't want my daughter to see my Twitter account. It's kind of a weird, sort of a weird question, right? Like, who do I want to see this? So what do you do? So what do you do? If you're not building a business or you're not running like a podcast or something where you can get some ideas out there and share things that you think are valuable, you do wind up in this like padded room almost where you're screaming at everybody who's screaming the same thing

back but nothing is happening nothing is changing it's just like a layer after layer after layer of insanity piling up that one day it's screaming gangs next day it's digital ID then it's your at your meat limit then it's at your car like people are I think for whatever reason evolutionary for sure but there's probably others ill-equipped deal with this kind of stuff certainly at this speed yeah and it drives people baddie and you you're saying don't let it drive you baddie put your phone down and do something else yeah so and i and as i the the crux of it is the only thing you can control is your own reactions to things yes and you can't nudge the large as much as i try mark you know it's so true that i just can't

get anyone to do any goddamn thing that i ask him i can only take care of myself and you have a daughter now who's very young and you're going to see it's almost like these tiny little people have Minds of their own, right? And, spoken like someone who's done it already. Yeah. And so, like, well,

being a father really taught me how powerless I was. Yeah. It's just like, this kid gives no fucks what I think. Yeah. And in fact, the entire world gives no fucks what I think.

So the only thing I can really do is, is I care what I think and then what I do with it. So I work on my own business. I work on my writing. I have a few different. businesses it's really the only lever point that works right uh i think your kids are my kid and my wife definitely just got home yeah so um and and what because and this i have this

awareness as i say this you don't know what's true you don't know who's acting totally disingenuously you don't know who's manipulating you you don't know who's manipulating you don't know what is the end game. You don't know what are the extra layers. And that comes very close to like radical leftist deconstructionalist philosophy of there is no truth. There is a truth, right? It's just you and I are probably never going to get anywhere close to it. So the closest things to knowing what is true is what we can control closest to us. So, you know, instead of sitting on the couch eating cheesies and watching like, you know, he-ha-ha, reruns, you know, you are reading these books and working on a podcast and learning how to

program Python. So it's like they're both true and you know they're both true because you have firsthand awareness of it so you can pick which one gives you a little more bang for your buck. And I think that is the only thing that can be done in this environment. what then happens if you're fortunate and you get a little bit of luck along the way you're your your stature your net worth and your influence begin to increase and then lo and behold people tend to start listening to you more it's like well what does joey think about this or what is mark think about this or what is you know michael sailor think about this not to put us in that

bracket but do you know what i mean it's just like people sort of like fuck all this i'm doing my own thing next thing you know they're like kind of functioning ahead of the they're ahead of the pack and it's like well i want to know what that guy ahead of the pack thinks because he got the head of the pack somehow he's not smarter he's not more intelligent he's not more talented he just like tuned out all the noise and just stuck to the horse he was riding right i mean that's i guess that's what it comes down to i think it is a good it's a good thing to keep in mind it's funny you know i i read that and And I've given some thought to that over the years, not quite in those terms, but I'm left thinking about this thing you just mentioned about truth and how you're missing, you're always

missing parts of it, right? You ever seen paranormal activity? Yes. So I've experienced paranormal. Okay. So I've not experienced it, but the movie, the first movie. Oh, you're talking about a movie? The movie.

Sorry, I thought you were talking in general. The movie paranormal activity. Okay. Is outstanding. Okay. And the reason I think it's so good and that people who like horror movies, we think it's so good, is that you never actually see anything that should scare you on the screen.

There's, it's just jump scares. It's all psychological. Because in everyone's head, it's the worst possible outcome at all times. And everyone's worst possible outcome is different. This is the same way that half truth on sweater operate. You will fill in the gaps with what you deem to be the worst possible thing or the most infuriating thing, the most emotionally rousing thing. And you'll run with it.

And everyone, even if they think similarly enough that they can see the same end line, the difference between the 50 meter line and the 100 meter line in that race is different for everyone. And it's the worst possible thing for each person. And that drives people to make rash decisions on Twitter and not spend time working on their businesses and reading and things like this. I don't know how it's, I don't know how in the current information environment we've been unable to pin down some of that last 50 meters. We talked earlier about Starmer. There's no logical reason why a politician would die on this hill. In my head, I think, okay, this guy's on the take, he's getting paid, he's been threatened or whatever.

But I can't say one way or another. So I don't. But Mark, there's a lot of people who do. They say whatever they think is true. They spit it out like it's fact. They pump out the surprise face thumbnail. They make the hour-long video, right? You know, like some of these channels, I hate to put, you know, certain channels on blast, but like, this channel like keeps popping up on my feed, the Western standard or something like that.

Yeah. Or it's like a guy in a cowboy hat and a girl who's like, you know, more attractive than average, but not worth a double take on the sidewalk. Like I don't know how else's a describer. God bless them both. But they're always like, they're always like conspiratorially assessing news, whether it's about ostrich culling or election results. And it takes a lot of it takes a lot of. it takes a lot of goal I think misplaced goal to make those assumptions on either front but there are so many people looking to fill that gap that they'll take anything if it

aligns with their preconceived notions with their predetermined biases right and it's causing problems like the tribalism you see online and now I think it's starting to leak into real life too is poisonous it is so poisonous for everything I hate to say it but like I bet you, if you ask my wife, she probably thinks now I say some things in mixed company that I shouldn't say, even if I'm most of the time right, a year later, two years later. And I bet you you're the same way, you know? Like how many dinner parties are you, you posted on Twitter the other day, like a Facebook friend of yours called you a Nazi or something?

Like, I don't know. I think a lot of reasonable people, I would count us as reasonable people, are trying to to draw this line and walk this balance beam of i need to say the things that i think are correct because they're good for everyone to hear but i also don't want to have no one to say them to except the online crazies and i don't know how you walk that line now i i have a hard time doing it myself i don't know if you do but i i don't know how to fix it well one of the things i do is be extremely anti-social so we don't we don't do a lot of dinner party yeah okay got it So, you know, I completely get what you mean.

I mean, so a lot of my socializing happens really with Angela's family, because I don't have much family left. And like, they just, it's refreshing because they just literally don't care about any of this stuff, you know, immigrant family, uh, Angela is, from a family of seven all of her brothers just like they have their own just doesn't matter to they have their jam they have their families they have their trades they just like they they talk about oh man it's getting kind of crazy out there right and they're pretty well on the same side of fence as us yeah but they just i think because we live more online and we are constantly

bombarded with this craziness yeah um they're more sane than we are because they just you know they just don't pay much attention to it must be nice yeah um i'll get you out of here on this question we'll go get something to eat uh you're a father i've asked uh some other fathers over the last year year and change maybe since kensi was like pregnant what advice do you have for me as a father get going into this thing you have a daughter specifically which is uh i think probably going to be a different set of challenges and someone with the son although i hope to do both at some point that right now the thing top of mind for me is uh school and daycare so we we just got daycare, which is nice, but I'm concerned about sending my little one to elementary school.

Like, it seems no matter which institution I pick, it's like just filing them off to estrogen elementary and hoping for the best, right? And so, like, I don't want that. That's top of mind for me right now. She's only 10 months old. What advice do you have for me as a new father and for the other new fathers out there? And there are plenty. I see people having kids on my feed all the time. Yeah. So what do you say to a new father? It's 2025. We're in a different era than before. three things first is very general like just and i don't even think i need to tell you this just be engaged and be present and you know i mean i don't have to tell you this good advice though but the other two specific things really number one uh do not let that child set foot in a public

school till she goes to university wow so just whatever it takes go into debt if you have to you know i'll tell you i tried uh not to flex any financial freedom, but Bitcoin's been good to me. Obviously, we've been in Bitcoin for a long time. I offered a Montessori school in the area, the best one. Four years, prepaid for two kids. I don't even have a second kid yet. Yeah.

I didn't even get a call back. Yeah. So don't even go to a Montessori. Go to a private school. Like a private school. So some of them are also just as woke as public schools. That's what I see. But with a private school, right, if your kid comes home with a thing that's like

today's assignment was pick out the white supremacists from this picture and the correct answer is all the white people you can put the principal on blast right you can say I'm coming in there and we're having to talk about this they answer to you because their boss is the parents not the school board right okay uh and some schools are better than others and I can tell you about some of them, you know, offline. So number one, never let your, never put your child in a public school in Canada. Okay. Don't do it.

Got it. Number two, or I guess this would be number three, the biggest regret, Angela and I have ever had raising our daughter was we thought we gave her a smartphone too soon, too early. And she was about, I can't remember. maybe 13 maybe the daughter's in her second year university yeah she's in second year university so you got to figure that's seven years ago yeah but what happened was what was smart you know it was it seemed to be not terrible and then covid hit uh and then so covid hits the kids are on lockdown we're on locked down we still have to work we're trying to like run the business and all this stuff it's like

the kid just spent two and a half years on our smartphone yeah and it's like it's like m read a book fuck you dad she doesn't say that but you know what I mean she's thinking it yeah exactly you know and uh she's turned out amazing right

she's in second year university serious responsive like she's a great kid but you know there was a period where it's like you're watching your child turn her brain to mush on a smartphone and it was like now you don't know what they're doing on that smartphone the whole time like in our it was

pleasantly surprising that she wasn't watching like stupid whatever i mean she was she was watching some of that but she was also like she learned how to cook pretty well nice she just watched like every episode of not only kitchen gordon ramsies kitchen nightmares but like she you know she knows how to cook she sends us photos of like stuff from you know i made this today you know and so sometimes it's like oh some of these kids are doing on smartphones what i used to to do with a pile of books when I was a kid, right? So that's possible, but we do believe we gave her a smartphone too early. So that was the one, if that was two pieces of advice, it would be that.

We don't even do screens now. It's young, early going. Yeah, they say to do it for the first two years, I'll be honest with you. I spend way too much time playing video games. So I try to limit that these days just because the example is going to start to matter soon. Um, my wife would probably disagree that I'm doing that, but she doesn't know the struggle, the internal struggle. Uh, it's my advice. And the other thing that I noticed to that a lot of parents don't do is they don't let their kids, they don't give their kids a chance to exercise

this like divine vision they have. This is a real thing in academic, um, papers about children and sharing and co-playing and stuff that kids who are forced into co-play end up with a negative negative feeling, a negative view of co-play. Sorry, tell me what co-play is. Co-play is like if you bring your kid to a play date and say, you have to play together. You must share. You must whatever you're building this tower. Here comes Carly.

She's also going to build the tower with you. And kids for, I think it's like the first five or six years, could be longer than that. Someone in the comments will tell me I'm an idiot for saying this. But the idea is that kids have what's referred to is that they get divine vision. They are unable to process where they're getting it from, but they know how they want something to look and feel and how they want to and how they want to do it another kid coming into that wrecks the vision and they end up with less fun they don't like the kid they don't like the environment and they get this feeling that okay well i have this thing in my head i can't do it i don't

know how to express that i can't do it because this kid is here and it's a problem this is a thing i'm going to have to tackle at some point because like the daycare we're sending her to is is private and there's three or four other kids but i'm curious to see how she handles it because here like it's the you know my daughter's name is my it's the Maya show all the time right and you know as soon as another kid shows up what's it going to look like i don't know but i'm this divine vision thing is something i've been thinking a lot about because i want her to be able to execute on something and take a plan to fruition those are important skills that i definitely didn't have when i was a kid but i want her to have them and to your point about public schools like

i'm just not convinced that teachers number one are competent enough to understand that to are paid enough to be patient and make sure it happens and three that you know they are not like off their rockers and think you know they're they're going to interfere with it themselves as opposed to the kids doing it right like I really do have concerns about all that so it's funny to hear you say that setting your kid up in a public school is a bad idea I happen to agree we can talk to my wife on the way to lunch about that there's the odd public school teachers who are excellent I remember one of my teachers coming up. You remember.

I remember. How many kids do you think have that experience now? And actually a buddy of mine from the London music scene is like a math teacher, high school math teacher in London now. And he's like super cool. Nice. Right. It's like every kid who winds up in his class is going to be lucky. Good.

Right. But he's such an outlier, such an outlier. Public school system is basically an academy for turning your children into woke retards. Astrogen Elementary, man. I'm telling you. Yeah. Let's get out of here. I would ask you to tell people where they can find you, but, I mean, you can do it if you want, but they mostly already know.

Yeah. You know, just Google that asshole CEO of EasyDNS and I'll come up first. First. I don't know who else comes up, but I'll be at the top. That's it. Let's go get some lunch. All right. See, everybody.