The Catechism in a Year (with Fr. Mike Schmitz) - Day 363: Forgive Us Our Trespasses

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

Forgiving those who have hurt us is a challenging call. Fr. Mike explains what it means to "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." We learn that forgiveness and recon...ciliation are not the same thing and that we can transform our hurt into intercession with God's grace. We ask the Lord to soften our hearts so that they may remain open to loving and forgiving others. Today's readings are Catechism paragraphs 2838-2845. Unlock the full experience of The Catechism in a Year (with Father Mike Schmitz) with the Ascension App! (https://ascensionpress.com/pages/ascension-app?_branch_match_id=1248288113491054729&utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=marketing&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXz8nMy9ZLLE5OzSvOzM%2FTTSwo0EvOz9X3CKtwCktMDfB1SQIAklUiuCoAAAA%3D) Get access to an interactive reading plan, the complete text of the Catechism, episode transcripts, summaries, and more. This episode has been found to be in conformity with the Catechism by the Institute on the Catechism, under the Subcommittee on the Catechism, USCCB. For the complete reading plan, visit ascensionpress.com/ciy Please note: The Catechism of the Catholic Church contains adult themes that may not be suitable for children - parental discretion is advised.

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Starting point is 00:00:42 directly to your phone. Thank you so much again for being part of this community, and God Bless. and pass down through the tradition of the Catholic faith. The Catechism in the Year is brought to you by Ascension. In 365 days, we'll read through the Catechism of the Catholic Church, discovering our identity in God's family as we journey together toward our heavenly home. This is day 363, we're reading paragraphs 2838 to 2845. As always, I'm using the Ascension edition of the Catechism, which includes the foundations of faith approach. But you can follow along with any recent version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can also download your own Catechism in a year reading plan by visiting ascensionpress.com slash the iY.
Starting point is 00:01:30 And you can click follow or subscribe on your podcast app for the daily updates for the next two days, you know, or whatever, and daily notifications today is day three six three reading paragraphs, 28, 38 to 28, 45, and man, this part of the Lord's Prayer, it's astonishing. In fact, those are the first words of paragraph 28, 38 to 28, 45. And man, this part of the Lord's Prayer, it's astonishing. In fact, those are the first words of paragraph 28, 38. It says, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And the first line here, this petition is astonishing. I was thinking this morning, I was just praying about this
Starting point is 00:01:59 and praying about, I know that when it came to the life in Christ, it came to the third pillar, morality, right? How we live. I know there was a lot of challenge. There Christ, it came to the third pillar, morality, right? How we live. I know there was a lot of challenge. There was a lot of challenge for a lot of people because we have our pet things. We have our stuff that I don't want to let go of this. I don't want to surrender this to the Lord.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I think this is how it should be. Or I don't understand how this teaching could possibly be lived out. I don't know if there's a more difficult teaching than this teaching. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. It asks a lot. Not only does it ask the Lord God to forgive us fully, but it demands a lot on us. It demands that we are forgiven to the degree that we are willing to forgive those who have heard us. And that's
Starting point is 00:02:46 a lot. And so as we talk about this teaching today, this teaching that sometimes we might have gone under the radar, maybe actually in our lives, we might have even kind of just glazed over this petition, or maybe even we've been convicted by this petition. And it's been one of those things that's painful. Every time we pray it, I think, Lord, please don't. Forgive us, our trespasses, as I would like to, or as someone else has forgiven. I don't know if I can do this. And so in order to open ourselves to the profundity and the depth of this teaching, we need God's help.
Starting point is 00:03:18 We truly need God's help. So let's pray. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, amen, Father, and heaven, give us your help, Father and heaven. You are the God of mercy. You are the God who has revealed your mercy to us in your Son, Jesus Christ. You've extended your mercy to us in your Son.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And by pouring out your Holy Spirit to us, you not only have made us new, not only have you taken away our sins, you've also given us the strength to be like you. You've given us the strength to pray like your son, to love like your son and to forgive like your son, Lord God, you have invited us to pray that you forgive us the way we forgive others. Oh God, this is dangerous. This is high.
Starting point is 00:04:06 This is daunting. This is difficult. And yet, this is how you have told us that we are to pray. And so Lord God, please help us to not only pray this way, help us to live this way, help us not only live this way with our outward actions, but help us to love this way.
Starting point is 00:04:23 And when we do that, Lord God, we pray like your Son Jesus. When we do this, we live like your Son Jesus. And when we do this, we love like your Son Jesus who prayed for his peer-secuters, even as they were killing him. Lord God, give us that same heart. Give us the heart of Jesus this day and every day. Now we can pray for those who hurt us, that we can forgive those who hurt us, and that we can truly trust in your forgiveness in our own lives. Lord, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. We make this prayer in the mighty name of the one who taught us this prayer. Jesus Christ our Lord, amen, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Starting point is 00:05:05 It is day 363, we're reading paragraphs 28, 38 to 28, 45. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. This petition is astonishing. If it consisted only of the first phrase and forgive us our trespasses. It might have been included implicitly in the first three petitions of the Lord's Prayer, since Christ's sacrifice is that sins may be forgiven. But according to the second phrase, our petition will not be heard unless we have first met a strict requirement. Our petition looks to the future, but our response must come first. For the two parts are joined by the single word as.
Starting point is 00:05:46 And forgive us our trespasses. With bold confidence, we began praying to our Father. In begging Him that His name be hallowed, we were in fact asking Him that we ourselves might be always made more holy. But though we are clothed with the baptismal garment, we do not cease to sin to turn away from God. Now, in this new petition, we return to Him like the prodigal son and like the tax collector recognize that we are sinners before him.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Our petition begins with a confession of our wretchedness and his mercy. Our hope is firm because in his son we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. We find the efficacious and undoubted sign of His forgiveness in the sacraments of His church. Now, and this is daunting, this outpouring of mercy cannot penetrate our hearts as long as we have not forgiven those who have trespassed against us. Love, like the body of Christ, is indivisible. We cannot love the God we cannot see if we do not love the brother or sister we do see. In refusing to forgive our brothers and sisters, our hearts are closed and their hardness makes them impervious to the Father's merciful love. But in confessing our sins, our hearts are opened
Starting point is 00:06:57 to His grace. This petition is so important that it is the only one to which the Lord returns and which he develops explicitly in the sermon on the mount. This crucial requirement of the covenant mystery is impossible for man, but with God, all things are possible. As we forgive those who trespass against us, this as is not unique in Jesus' teaching. You therefore must be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
Starting point is 00:07:30 A new commandment I give to you that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. It is impossible to keep the Lord's commandment by imitating the divine model from outside. There has to be a vital participation coming from the depths of the heart in the holiness and the mercy and the love of our God. Only the Spirit by whom we live can make ours the same mind that was in Christ Jesus. Then the unity of forgiveness becomes possible, and we find ourselves forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave us. Thus the Lord's words on forgiveness, the love that loves to the end, become a living reality.
Starting point is 00:08:10 The parable of the merciless servant which crowns the Lord's teaching on ecclesial communion ends with these words. So also, my Heavenly Father will do to every one of you if you do not forgive your brother from your heart. It is there, in fact, in the depths of the heart that everything is bound and loosed. It is not in our power not to feel or to forget an offense, but the heart that offers itself to the Holy Spirit turns injury into compassion and purifies the memory in transforming the hurt into intercession. Christian prayer extends to the forgiveness
Starting point is 00:08:44 of enemies, transfiguring the disciple by configuring him to his master. Forgiveness is a high point of Christian prayer, only hearts attuned to God's compassion can receive the gift of prayer. Forgiveness also bears witness that, in our world, love is stronger than sin. The martyrs of yesterday and today bear this witness to Jesus. Forgiveness is the fundamental condition of the reconciliation of the children of God with their father and of men with one another. There is no limit or measure to this essentially divine forgiveness.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Whether one speaks of sins as in Luke or debts as in Matthew, we are always debtors. Oh, no one, anything, except to love one another. The communion of the Holy Trinity is the source and criterion of truth in every relationship. It is lived out in prayer above all in the Eucharist." St. Siprian wrote, God does not accept the sacrifice of a sower of disunion, but commands that he be part from the altar so that he may first be reconciled with his brother. For God can be appeased only by prayers that make peace. To God, the better offering is peace, brotherly concord,
Starting point is 00:09:52 and a people made one in the unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All right, there we have it, paragraphs 28-38-28-45. I said, you know, one of the greatest challenges. I think it was C.S. Lewis who once said, in the book, Miracles, Christianity, he said, I declared that Chastity was the least popular of all the Christian virtues. But he said, I don't think that's right.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I think that forgiveness is the least possible. He says, we everyone thinks forgiveness is a lovely idea until you have something to forgive. That's it, right? Everyone thinks that forgiveness is a lovely idea until you have something to forgive. That's it. Everyone thinks that forgiveness is a lovely idea until you have something to forgive. And then to ask for forgiveness or to require forgiveness, he says, you're met with howls of people who get mad at you because you're saying that essentially, how dare you ask me to forgive the person who hurt me?
Starting point is 00:10:39 In fact, in that same talk, in that same chapter in Miracles' Christianity, Lewis says, people would ask and say, how would you feel if you were a pole or a Jew and had to forgive the Gestapo? And Lewis responds, he says, I wonder too. I wonder very much. I don't know what I would do. If I had that much to forgive, and yet we cannot escape this.
Starting point is 00:10:59 We cannot escape the command of Jesus that we pray this. In paragraph 2838, it highlights how remarkable this is, how astonishing this prayer is. It goes on to say, this petition is astonishing, paragraph 2838, if it consisted only of the first phrase, and forgive us our trespasses, it might have been included implicitly in the first three petitions of the Lord's Prayer, right? Of course, but according to the second phrase, our petition will not be heard unless we have first met a strict requirement. Our petition looks to the future, but our response must come first for the two parts are joined by the single word as. And that
Starting point is 00:11:32 is, forgive us as we forgive those who sin against us or trespass against us. It's remarkable because we, man, we live in this world that's so broken and we are so quick to break each other, right? We're so quick to hurt each other. We're so quick to turn away from the Lord. We turn away from God so easily. In our petition, of course, forgive us our trespasses. That begins with a confession. We're confessing that I have fallen short, Lord God. I have failed. One thing important for all of us, maybe you've heard priests talk about this. When it comes to confession, one of the actual sacrament of reconciliation, sacrament of confession, one of the temptations people face.
Starting point is 00:12:15 This might not be something new face, but it's a temptation that a lot of people face. It's the temptation to confess other people's sins. That some people go to confession and they'll say, well, you know, they're spouse. My spouse is gonna short tempered. My spouse does this. My spouse doesn't do that, that kind of thing. Or my kids are like this and my kids are like that. The people I work with are, in basically,
Starting point is 00:12:35 here's a list of the sins of other people. And sometimes that is the person's trying to, you know, set the context. And so, my husband was, was cranky. And so I was really short with them, and I need to confess that kind of thing. But a lot of times, it's because it's much easier to note the sins of others than it is
Starting point is 00:12:52 to recognize my own sins. And yet inherent in the prayer, forgive us our trespasses is the reality that, oh, I need to confess the fact that I have trespasses. I need to confess the fact that I love itasses, right? I need to confess the fact that I love it. I've even said this. Our position begins with a confession of our wretchedness. Let's pause on that word for a second.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Do I believe that I have wretchedness? I think a lot of us would say, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good enough. That kind of thing because I don't know. We kind of live in a culture right now that if you were to say, no, no, I'm good. I'm good enough. That kind of thing, because I don't know, we kind of live in a culture right now that if you were to say, no, amazing grace, I'll sweet the sound, the saved a wretch like me, I'm like, no, you're not a wretch.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I don't think so poorly of yourself. That's not healthy. But if I was honest with myself, if we were honest with ourselves, we'd be able to look at ourselves and say, actually there's plenty of wretchedness. There's plenty of ugliness in my soul, ungly this in my heart.
Starting point is 00:13:45 In fact, I remember I'm talking with a student for a long time. And she was really concerned because she was pretty convinced that she wasn't a good person. But she felt stuck in that. She was convinced that she wasn't a good person. And she felt stuck in that. Even talking with her for a long time, I realized that this is one of the lies that happens.
Starting point is 00:14:05 One of the lies that the evil one will use typically is a lie that has a bar on it. Like, so it's pointy. It's like a pin, but a pointy lie that's just like a pin, it just goes in, it goes out, right? It hurts a little bit, but it doesn't stick around. If I have, I know this is a lie, it might hurt. The lie might hurt for a moment, but then it leaves. But there are some lies that are like hooks, like a fishing hook.
Starting point is 00:14:28 That has a barb on it. And so it goes in, but the reason it sticks is because there's some kind of degree of truth to it. Sometimes we get assailed by lies, and sometimes the evil one will attack us with his lies, and almost always the lies that come up at us from the evil one or even the lies that we tell ourselves that we believe ourselves are lies that have barbs on them. Meaning there's a degree of truth and that's why it sticks in there. That's why it's not like a pin just goes in and goes out because I realize that's a hurt but there's no truth there. When there's a little bit of truth it could stick there and I realize I start to believe the whole thing instead of just
Starting point is 00:15:03 believe the barb, right? So what I mean by that is here's the young woman. And she saw her brokenness. She saw this, her sin, she saw her failure. And that's true. That was the barb, though. It was a small part of this because what she ended up believing was that, oh, I'm not good at all. Like that's nothing good in me. And that's a lie. Because if I were to argue with her and say, no, look at you. I mean, you're amazing lie because if I were to argue with her and say, no, look at you. I mean, you're amazing. All these kind of things. And she'd say, no, but I only did that good thing because I thought it would look good for other people. Or I only treat people nicely because that because I'm lonely makes them like me or whatever the
Starting point is 00:15:36 kind of thing is, right? And so there's there was an argument because that lie had just a degree of truth to it. The truth is that, yeah, we're wretched. Or we have wretchedness. We're not fully wretched. We're not fully corrupt. We're deprived of that fullness, but we're not depraved. She was believing that she was depraved, right?
Starting point is 00:15:57 Because she could point to this brokenness in her. She could point to a wretchedness in her because of that it was getting stuck. She was getting stuck. She wasn't believing the whole truth. The whole truth is, oh yeah, I'm broken. Yes, I have wretchedness. And I'm loved.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Yeah, I'm broken, but yeah, I'm also blessed. And for her, yep, there was some darkness. There was shadow. There was shadow in her heart, in her speech, in her thoughts, in her interactions. But there was also a lot of light. And this is true for all of us. We need to have this confession of our wretchedness and believe that.
Starting point is 00:16:34 But also, also a confession of God's mercy. And that's why we need that double conviction. The conviction of, yeah, no, I'm a sinner, and the conviction of, in the Lord is merciful, and He loves me. He loves you. We all have to recognize He was sinners, and we have a Savior who absolutely loves us. So we need that confession of our righteousness. That was a little side tangent, but I know we're coming to the end of this, and I just wanted to share, don't believe the lies. share. Don't believe the lies. And also, don't give that little barb, that little small part of truth. Don't give that more power than it deserves. Yes, we have to acknowledge the barb. We have to acknowledge the part that's true. But that doesn't mean that the rest of it's true. So our petition
Starting point is 00:17:20 of this, forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those trespass against us, it begins with the confession of our wretchedness, the eye need God's mercy, and we get God's mercy. And our hope is firm because in Jesus Christ, we have redemption, the forgiveness of our sins. And it's incredible because I love this last line of 28.39. It says, we find the efficacious and undoubted sign of His forgiveness in the sacraments of His church. Think about the sacrament of reconciliation, the efficacious and undoubted sign of His forgiveness in the sacraments of His Church. Think about the sacrament of reconciliation, the efficacious and undoubted sign of His forgiveness
Starting point is 00:17:47 in the sacraments of His Church that you go to confession and you know, you don't have to feel it, you know that the Lord God has forgiven you through the ministry of His Church. It's amazing, it's incredible. And so it goes on to say, 2840 now, and this is daunting. This outpouring of mercy cannot penetrate our hearts as long as we have not forgiven those who have trespassed against us. This is daunting. The outpouring of mercy cannot penetrate our hearts as long as we have not forgiven those who have trespassed against us. Love like the body of Christ is indivisible, we cannot love the God we cannot see if we do not love the brother sister, we do see. And so in refusing to love our brothers and sisters
Starting point is 00:18:26 and refusing to love people around us, our hearts are closed. And that hardness makes them impervious to the Father's merciful love. But when we confess our sins, our hearts are open to his grace. This is so important. This teaching is so important. I mean, think about the parable of the merciless servant, right?
Starting point is 00:18:42 We know this where there's a king or master. He's going to settle his accounts and he brings the servant before him. Oh, it was a huge amount. It says actually the original Greek says it owes him 10,000 talents. And the servant begs the master to forgive him. He says, give me time. I'll pay back what I owe you. No, this is kind of fascinating. 10,000 talents. What's 10,000 talents? Well, one talent is equal to 6,000 days wages. So 6,000 denari eye adds up to one talent. And the guy owns O's 10,000 talents, which means I think he owes something like 160,000 years of service. It's like 60 million days of work. He owes the master. He owes the king the the person in charge here. Think about that. I'll give
Starting point is 00:19:26 me time and I'll pay back what you owe. What I owe. Okay, 60 million, 60 million days of service, 160,000 years of service. That's a lot of time. Basically, he can't pay it back. And yet what happens? The master says, I release you from your debt. Goes on, you know, the Mersel is that servant who was just forgiven. There's another servant who was a much smaller amount, and in fact, the original Greek there is a hundred denariye. So you go from 60 million denariye to a hundred denariye. And he doesn't forgive him, he's not willing to forgive him.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And that's why that parable ends with the word. So also, my heavenly Father will do to every one of you. If you do not forgive your brother from your heart. And this is so critical. What is it to forgive from the heart? It's not, I feel fine. It's not, I'm no longer hurt. It's not, I trust you now.
Starting point is 00:20:15 It's not, we're reconciled. There's a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. There's a difference between forgiveness and restoration of the relationship. Forgiveness can be very, very simple. And it's from that parable, the parable of the merciless servant or the forgiving master who says, I release you from your debt. So we know this, we've heard this before probably, is that God is just. And justice is what? Justice is giving someone what they're owed, giving someone they're due.
Starting point is 00:20:43 And so God is not ignoring justice. He's not disregarding justice. Justice is a good. God is just. I'm giving someone what they're owed. That's just. And so the call here to forgive those who have sinned against us is not the call to be a doormat, right? It's not the call to be someone's in a punching bag. It is the call to say, okay, this person has hurt me. They've cost me something. They owe me something. Justice would declare they owe me something. And forgiveness is merely saying what that merciful master said, I release you from your debt. I'm simply not going to make you pay me back. In somebody way says the heart of forgiveness. It's one of the reasons why I'm grateful that it says 10,000 talents.
Starting point is 00:21:30 He knows exactly what this man owes him. He knows exactly what the man owes him. And that's one of the steps I think when it comes to forgiveness, very, very important for us to be able to say, okay, I have this bad feeling towards this person because they've hurt me. Okay, but what if they cost you? This is the big question. what if they cost you? This is the big question. What if they cost you? And I think it's important to do this, like this, to actually take that person, take that situation, whatever the thing is, take that wound that hurt into the chapel, into your church, in front of our Lord and the Eucharist, and in front of the image of Jesus on the cross,
Starting point is 00:21:59 and to be able to in that safe place, in that place of the Holy Spirit, that place of Christ's presence, to be able to say, okay, let me add up what they've cost me. Again, not for a vendetta, not for revenge, but so that I can say, okay, this is, this is what they owe me. This is what they owe. They owe me my innocence. They owe me the ability to trust. What they did, it affected relationships like this, this, and this.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Like, that's what they owe me. Just in the same way that if you lent someone your car and they got into an accident, and there were $900 worth of damage on your car, they would owe you $900. Because that's what they cost you. Now, if you were to forgive them, it's not you're not saying,
Starting point is 00:22:37 oh, no big deal. If you were to forgive them, you're not like, oh, here's the keys again. If you were to forgive them, what that means is, I'm not gonna make you pay me back. You owe me $900. I release you from your debt. Does me not trust you again?
Starting point is 00:22:50 Does me not lend you my car again? Does me more best friends? It just means I'm not gonna wait to make you pay me back. Similarly, how has this person hurt you? What have they cost you? To be able to, as best we can, to total total that up and then with God's help, right? This is all can only be done with the strength of Jesus Christ. Then we say I release you from your debt.
Starting point is 00:23:14 That's it in the sense of I'm not going to make you pay me back and to do this as it says in paragraph 2843 to do this in the depths of the heart. And to do this, as it says in paragraph 2843, to do this in the depths of the heart. It says, it goes on to say, it is not in our power not to feel or to forget an offense. So don't worry about it. If you still feel upset, still feel hurt, if you still remember it, you're like,
Starting point is 00:23:35 oh, I'm free of even forget, like I, but I can't forget, just forgive. It's not in our power not to feel. It's not in our power to forget. But the heart that offers itself to the Holy Spirit turns injury into compassion and purifies the memory and transforming the hurt into intercession. That's the next step. It's the first step, it's adding it all up, right? The second step is, I release it from your debt. The next step is now I need to transform that hurt into intercession.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Because Christian prayer extends to the forgiveness of enemies who are actually commanded by our Lord to pray for those who have hurt us. We have to transform that hurt into intercession. And that's the high call as well. It is a high high call. But forgiveness, as it says in 2844, forgiveness bears witness that in our world, love is stronger than sin. Forgiveness bears witness that in our world love is stronger than sin. It is a love that you've seen lived out. You've seen that love depicted on every crucifix. You've seen that love lived out above all in the Eucharist. What does Jesus do? He comes to us sinners.
Starting point is 00:24:52 He comes to us sinners with his love. Forgiveness versus witness than in our world, love is stronger than sin. God's love for us is stronger than sin. And we have to love with the love with which we have been loved. And it's impossible. It's impossible without God's grace, without God's help, without prayer. So please pray for each other, pray for those who've hurt you. I am praying for you.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Please pray for me. My name is Father Mike. I cannot wait to see you tomorrow. God bless.

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