The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source - #define: legendary (Friends)

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

What happens when you take three #define newbs (Thomas Eckert, Nick Nisi, Mat Ryer) & pit them against the grizzled vet, Adam? Find out on this episode because our award-worthy game of fake definitions is back & this time it’s even more legendary!

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Okay, check them out at chronitor.io. Once again, chronitor.io. Hello and welcome back to Pound Define, our 100% original and in no way copied from Balderdash Game Show, where you're rewarded for lying like a skilled politician. My name is Jared Santo, and we have some great competitors today. And we have Nick Nisi. Hey, Nick. Hey, hey. Welcome to Poundify.

Happy to be here. Listeners of The Changelog may remember Nick's voice as a regular panelist on JS Party, your weekly celebration of JavaScript and the web. And TypeScript. No, no, no, no, no. Don't start the line until the definitions fly. We're also joined by a listener and sometimes guest, I guess recurring guest now, Thomas Eckert.

Welcome, Thomas. Hello. Happy to be here. Excited to join these legends, legends of the changelog. We do have some changelog legends here waiting in the wings. Where are they? Oh, here they are. It's Matt Reier. What's up, Matt? Hello,

everybody. It's nice to be here. How do you like to be described as a legend? It's alright, actually. Just first time it's happened. You'll take it? Just letting it sink in. Let me think. Yeah, feels pretty good. Yeah. You'll take it. All right. Very nice. Speaking of the legend, it's my partner in crime, Adam Stachowiak.

What's up, dude? What's up? I'm here. I'm back. I feel like you're well positioned because we've played this game a few times. This is our third iteration of Pound to Find. However, we have no returning guests. We got rid of Taylor Troche.

She's too good. Losh. She's too good. Way too serious. Amel. Too much too good. Losh, way too serious. Amel, too much. And we got these guys. So I think you have it up our hand because you have experience and they do not. If I don't win, there's something wrong.

Okay. With you. With me, yeah. Correct. That was implied with me, but yes, thank you for being specific. Adam, I just noticed the lava lamp behind you. I know that you're into Homeland. Is that, or Home Lab, not Homeland. but yes thank you for being specific adam i just noticed the lava lamp behind you oh yeah that you're into homeland is that or home lab not homeland uh is that your own little cloudflare

key generator it's my yes it's uh yeah what do you call those things um cloudflare worker no they they have a nick is referring to this wall they have in the cloudflare office and they use it i believe what do they use it for? It's like a random generator kind of thing? Oh, really? Yeah, because it's never the same. That'd be cool if I did, but I don't. So I'm sorry, Nick.

It's just for looks. Ideas. It technically can be the same, right? It's just chance. But it's probably not going to be the same, but it could just be exactly the same all day. And then all it's kicking out is two. And you come on wall come on we need more different random numbers not just two and you get angry with it but right then you're relaxed relaxed by just watching it because

it's lava lamps so it chills you out and then it reminds you it's a pseudo random number generator you know and it's like they're they're just pseudo random so get what you pay for no but that one is real random i think it is really random it could never be the same again it can be it's random maybe in a million years could it be the same in a million years could be the same in one second technically it's just unlikely yeah that's true well this this conversation will never be the same again either so let's get to the game here's how it works this is the game of Here's how it works. This is the game of fake definitions. You all are tasked with basically lying to each other,

pretending. I like it. Pseudo random definition generators that you know the definition to these obscure stem jargon. Okay, I have 10 rounds of play. I will say the word, send it to you all, spell it out loud for our listener, and you will then write a definition for the word.

I also have, of course, the correct definition. I will mix them together, read them out, and you'll try to guess which is the correct definition. If you know the definition to start and you submit to me the correct definition, you automatically get three points, which is the most points you can score for a single action. And you sit that round out. So, you know, go have a drink of coffee or something. If you don't get it right, right away, I will gather them and read them during the reading time. If you guess the right one, then

you get two points. And if you trick somebody else to guess your definition, you get one point. So for each person who selects yours, you get a point. And we get to 15 points first wins or 10 rounds. That's how it goes. I'm sure that was convoluted as an explanation because I was confusing myself as I went. But as the game starts, it will become immediately obvious how this works. So let's just get into it and start with round one. So the word for round one, cryptorhythm.

Cryptorhythm. That's C-R-Y-P-T-A-R-I-T-H-M. I will submit that to the chat. Please send me your fake definitions now okay nick has already submitted so it's not based on speed nick but i do appreciate that i have matt's definition adam is historically the slowest submitter it's a deep thinker i have thomas's so as soon as adam is done we will be ready. I'm just trying to figure out how to spell rhythm.

It's in the thing. No, no, I mean the word rhythm. That's too tough. It is a tough word to spell. I always get confused and I always have to Google it. Do not Google. There's no Googling. R-H-Y-T-H-M. All right, I'm going to send you an incorrect version of rhythm, basically.

You can't Google. You can't DuckDuckGo. You cannot ask Jeeves, nor can you ask any sort of GPTs. But you can just type in a word in Slack and see if it's got an underline on it. True. That's one way to find out. I will allow spellcheck. Good point, Matt.

But you can hack that maybe through like Grammarly or something that's going to be using an element kind of worms factor. I guess if you hack Bound Defined by using Grammarly, then I'll just submit to you unless you win the game. Yeah. Also, it's interesting you say pound because we don't say pound for that symbol.

You're talking about the hash symbol. I'm not. I'm talking about the pound sign. It's an octothorpe, right? It looks like two lines. I think that's its technical name, is octothorpe. Octothorpe define. Yeah. Do you guys call it that because it looks like hash browns? We don't really have

hash browns. They're kind of from the US. What's wrong with you? They have beans. They just have beans? They have toast. Just beans and toast? You should try hash browns. They're really good. Did you try beans on toast when you were in London, Nick? Sure didn't. They gave it to me and I set that aside.

They gave it to you and you didn't eat it? They gave it back. You're like, no, thank you. Some of the best food I had in London was at the local McDonald's. It was at the airport lounge. Oh, that's the place to try it if you're going to go for it. You want to have it done properly. You want to get yourself to Terminal 3. Nick, when

you say someone gave it to me, like surely in context of a restaurant or something, right? They didn't just give it to you in the airport. They're just discarding it. They figured, here, you have it. Yeah. Going through security, they just hand it to you. Yeah. It's just someone else's beans on toast that they weren't allowed through.

Actually, that's not a bad idea. Well, the thing is, there's only one beans on toast in the entire country, but no one actually likes it, but you got to pretend like you like it, so you kind of just keep passing it on. And it's been hot potatoing around between people for decades. That's how sourdough started. Yeah. It's the same principle. I love that it's one beans on toast, though.

Like, the beans on toast is a singular, and there's one of them. Yeah. I love that. Oh, the beans are plural, but the toast is singular, yes. All right, I now have all definitions. A quick disclaimer, I do my darndest to read these as straight as possible. In fact, I close my video so I can't see your faces. And I just read as if I'm the only one in the room. Having said that, it's still really hard because some of these get to be a little bit zany.

Thankfully, Taylor Troche is not here because he's trolling pretty much every round. And so maybe Matt will troll. I don't know. But there's my disclaimer. If I laugh, it's not because it's not the right definition. It's because I think something's funny. Yeah. But you also find quite weird

things funny. I listened to an episode of this last time and you were in hysterics for 10 minutes. And then when you read it out, it was just a sentence. The first episode, I almost broke it. Yeah. But I did a much better job in the second episode. So if you want to go back and listen, skip round one of episode one, in which I darn near break the show.

Okay, let's see if I break the show this time. Cryptorhythm is an algorithm for generating cryptographic signatures or the subtle vibrations that occur in underground burial sites due to the crypt settling, or the rhythm, also known as cryptorhythmic sequencing, of adding and subtracting numbers in cryptographic algorithms, or a puzzle where you are given an arithmetical expression where the digits have been replaced by letters, or finally, a drum beat used as a password, usually tapped out on a keypad or keyboard.

There you have it, five definitions for cryptorhythm. One of those is the correct definition. Nick, you're up first. Which one do you think it is? How do I answer? You can answer by the number. You can answer by the one saying generally this, and I will confirm with you. You can just kind of talk about it.

It's fine. We'll figure it out. Okay. I'm going to say the one, the puzzle where you're... A puzzle where you're given arithmetical expressions, where the digits have been replaced by letters? Yes. All right. That's number four.

I give that to Nick, and we go to Thomas. Yeah. So I think about these. He got two algorithm-like ones. Those are both interesting, attractive. I'm also drawn to the puzzle one. I think interesting, this idea. I looked at cryptorhythm, and I thought crypto, right?

You know, cryptography. But now that I read this one about the crypts like like like where you would put you know very vibrations yes vibrations like that makes a lot of sense like maybe i'm actually like you know how helicopter is actually helicopter right like the the way you actually school the word is different you don't know that no tell me more oh we say helicopter correct yeah matt do you say that i do i do all the time i'm always saying no no no they they say they say whirlybirds you know oh you guys have whirlybirds whirlybirds yeah that's the proper word whirlybirds and yeah no that's how

they import the the beans for a whirlybird of course we we say it we say it like helicopter, but the actual origin of the word would split. So pter is the wing. Pter. Pter. Like it's Greek. It's the same thing where you get like pterodactyl. It's all Greek to me. I know.

So you wouldn't say. So what's helicob mean? Helico. Pter. If you were to split. Right. Where the words. Is he spitting on me?

I feel like he's just spitting on us. I'm spitting knowledge. You're spitting knowledge here. You know? Okay. But maybe it's like that, where you need to split the word at a different place. You know, crypt.

You're going for the one that says, vibrations occur in an underground burial site due to the crypt settling. But I'm still drawn to the puzzle one. I think because I think about like those... I think I'll go with the puzzle one. All because i think about like those i think i think i'll go with the puzzle one all right he's piling on piling on now let me remind you of the spread the spread is where and you don't all pick the same answer because if nobody gets the correct

answer i your humble moderator sometimes not so humble moderator will score three points and if i reach 15 before anybody else you'll never hear the end of it. Okay, so he's going to pile on with Nick on the puzzle. Puzzling. Adam, what do you think? Can I get a read back, please? Of which ones? All of them. What? I will give you

a quick summary of each, okay? Please and thank you. Number one was the algorithm for generating cryptographic signatures. Number two was the subtle vibrations that Thomas was talking about. Okay, yes. Underground burial sites. Number three was the algorithm for generating cryptographic signatures. Number two was the subtle vibrations that Thomas was talking about. Okay, yes. Underground burial sites. Number three was the rhythm of adding and subtracting numbers in cryptographic algorithms.

Number four was the puzzle. And number five was the drumbeat used as a password. The last two, well, middle and last two were kind of STEM related. So got to go in the stem. Plus the pile on is making me feel like maybe I'm not smart here and they're smart. So I'm going to just do what sheep do and follow. So I'm going to be a sheep today. Sheep.

But I don't know that last one. Read it again, please. Let's see how, can you give me the exact version of it so I can hear. Number five, a drum beat used as a password usually tapped out on a keypad or keyboard. Think about that like knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. You know, you knock on the door. That's kind of a password.

It's kind of maybe a cryptorhythm. Yeah, maybe it predates. It's a rhythm that's crypta. Right. It's the rhythm of you getting scammed. Well, thanks, Nick. Oh, man. You're putting it out there ok puzzle I'm piling on Jared

you're piling on puzzle it's very stem this is concerning ok I'm lining up a win here perhaps or a loss we'll see Matt you are the last to choose so far three puzzlers what are you thinking

still trying to get over that helicopter news. That bombshell has just really shaken me, to be honest. I can't believe you're supposed to say it like that. You don't need to worry about that. That was a psychological operation. You're not supposed to say it like that. Did you break it down and say whirly-ba-ird? Whirly-ba-ird. Oh yeah, that's it. In the Greek? Yeah, the Greek. I don't know. I was going to learn greek but it's got too much maths in it i'm not very good at maths i shouldn't have to calculate pi halfway through a word do you know what i mean what are they playing at takes too long the spelling of cryptorhythm

i think means it tells us it's not the rhythm one and also when i heard the real definition of this i remember that i did know this so a little bit disappointed with myself but i'm pretty confident that it is the puzzle so i'm gonna pile on baby pile on the pile is there a theme tune for if everyone piles on we need a pile on theme can you write one real quick yeah all rightile on theme tune. Where has our individuality gone? We're all saying the same thing. It's a pile on. It's a pile on It's a pile on

It's a pile on And in post, as we speak, Breakmaster Cylinder is remixing that Oh, yeah In the moment So there's going to be some beeps and boops And some blops So it'll come out sounding better, probably

A little better Yeah, he's going to auto-tune that thing. So it'll be good. I already had auto-tune on in my voice. He's going to meta-tune it. Oh, did you? You tuned it yourself as you went. By the way, Adam, I had a thought earlier.

You wanted Jared to repeat all the answers. You can just use the back 10 seconds on your phone to go back 10 seconds and listen to that bit again. Yeah, I was trying that, but it didn't work the hard part's catching up you know you need the new uh windows pc where it records your entire life so you can just go back oh yeah recall what's it is a recall yeah recall i don't know if there's gonna be a recall on that there might be a recall and total recall all right how do we land this helicopter We say the correct answer was the puzzle. You all got it right.

Sweet. So. Pylon vindicated. Two points for Matt. Two points for Adam. Two points for Thomas. Two points for Nick. Zero for me.

But that's okay. It's a tie. And after round one, it is a four-way tie for first place. Also, circumstantially, last place. So don't forget that. We're all tied for last. We move now to round two, where our word is... Graviton.

The word for round two is graviton. I have Thomas's definition. How do we know it's not gravy ton? Like, loads of gravy. Do you guys have gravy over there? Yeah, but I think, is it different? It's probably different, isn't it? It's just the juice around the beans.

So you know how beans come in the liquid there? They just drain that off. That's what they call gravy. I don't even really eat beans on toast very often, Thomas. I usually just have toast under beans. That's my favorite. Toast under beans? Yeah, that under beans yeah that's a really good idea it's lovely it sits different on the palate and that's a little bit more i mean you see that goes goes back into questions of class in england as to who had toast under beans and who had beans on toast that's it yeah which

class are you in matt you know downtown abbey you know where all the servants live downstairs yeah yeah i'd be working for them oh you'd be working for the servants yeah in the uk where i sit you're the scum they scrape off the scum yeah exactly scum of the scum it's like creme de la creme but the opposite but i'm proud of it working class background and all that you know and you're a legend around these parts so what does that make us you know i wouldn't like to hazard a guess i like that just people no i like you a lot um i'll just caveat that with if any scandals break with these people i'd like to distance myself now but assuming that doesn't happen i have an ongoing scandal hidden very much hidden is it a scandal that's hidden no well it's actually a micro scandal

it's between like three or four people one of them has a newspaper that just distributes it like three people and that's it and it's in there headlined on the front page oh wow so two people know what i've done allegedly what area is it in what sort of is it like a crime it's in a zip code so it's it's in like my yeah geographically like on the street what lat long what's your lat long of this incident narrow it down i can't tell you that's my information all right i'm in the u.s of a you know that down here in texas you can't do anything illegal in texas can you i thought no everything there's no laws oh it's all in the dossier if you you do something illegal, don't they just take you

Dan Tan? Dan Tan. I'm taking you Dan Tan. Gravitan. Gravitan. Oh, Gravitan. Alright, well we have an unprecedented occurrence here. Never been through this. I don't have it in my rule book even, how to handle this circumstance. But of the definitions I now have all four of your definitions.

Three of them were the correct definition. And one person made one up. So I guess we could just... We could all go around and guess who might not know the definition. Or, yeah, let's change the rules for this one answer. Okay, so we will guess now who you think had to make up the definition

and didn't actually know. Oh, yes. I didn't actually know. Oh, yes. This might turn into some sort of a class war. We could also still pick which exact definition is the one, the official one. That's still a game, I guess. Well, yeah. Can we get what the fake definition was before we try to place it on someone? No.

Let's use it. Not everybody has a fair play. Yeah. That's true. No, let's keep it fair. Let's keep it 100% fair. So Thomas goes first. thomas who do you think made up a definition in this round all right this is a mean this is this game has taken a mean

tangent yeah now it doesn't it's not fair to assume that the person didn't know what the actual answer was but may have been playing that strategy right the metagame the most likely they were yeah and it just backfired horrendously or not because if you guess their name then they get a have been playing that strategy. Right, the metagame. The metagame, yeah. Most likely they were. Yeah. And it just backfired horrendously. Or not, because if you guess their name, then they get a point for tricking you. They get a point for tricking me. Because you think they lied.

Unless it's yourself, at which point the points would cancel out. Unless it's myself. You have a 33% chance of getting it right. Well, I guess maybe a 66. What is the math on that one? It depends on whether or not I'm the person who made it up. Right. But the person whose name gets guessed gets a point.

Don't think about it too hard. Flip a coin and pick a name. I'm thinking that I could see Matt making something up. All right. So Thomas picks Matt. Yeah. Me. Adam, your turn.

Who do you think it was? Who picked? Who did what? Who made a fake definition and submitted it to me. I think you did. I think you began the game with fakeness. I did not. You did.

I believe you did. This is the time that you would slip it in there. This is the one time. The only time. So you think that I'm trying to get a zero here? So Adam, you think the official answer here is wrong? I don't understand your logic, but you've done it. Okay. I'm sticking to my guns. I'm picking Jared. Okay. So Adam, you think the official answer here is wrong. I don't understand your logic, but you've done it. Okay.

I'm sticking to my guns. I'm picking Jared. Okay. So Adam picks Jared. Thomas thought it was Matt. Adam thought it was me. Matt, who do you think it is? Well, I think it's Adam Stax.

I think it's Adam. Okay, he's picking. I think he's. You think Adam stacked the deck against you? And I won't caveat it with all the politeness. You know what I think. All right. So one vote for Matt, Jared, and Adam. And I won't caveat it with all the politeness. You know what I think. All right.

So one vote for Matt, Jared, and Adam. And now Nick. Who do you think it was? Wait, how do I get the points here? You have to name the person that submitted a fake definition. The only way to win is to not play. No, I'm going to win because I'm going to say it was me. Oh, it was Nick. There you go.

And so Nick wins the round. Am I getting it wrong? In some sort of crazy turn of events. He gets a point, or two points for getting it correct. Unfortunately, everybody else scored three points because Matt, Adam, and Thomas all got the correct definition. A hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory.

Nobody said it that nicely. That's the correct thing. They all got it pretty close, though. Nick submitted a database as a service solution for enterprise infrastructure solutions. So a lot of solutions in that. Well, you got Fermion. They should have Graviton.

In my defense, I had a greater chance of saying it was a JavaScript framework and getting it right than you all did guessing me. Yeah, that's true. The hypothetical JavaScript framework. And I was trying to throw everybody off by choosing Jared. it right than you all did guessing me yeah yeah that's true that's true the hypothetical javascript framework yeah and i was trying to throw everybody off by choosing jared i was like well you know nobody expects this yeah that's what i thought that's why i went for you i was hoping that nobody would say nick and i would get three points for the for the miss but he named himself he outed

himself and to much success he got two points there so i totally knew what it was i was trying to trick all of you oh you're playing the meta game yeah he's playing the meta game smart it backfired horrendously but you still scored two points everybody else scored three so after round two we have matt adam and thomas tied in first with five nick in dead last with four and i still have zero but doesn't count as dead last because I'm just the moderator people I'm not actually playing the game okay wait wait a question is it not better is the point of the game to try and trick everyone else but then know the right answer and guess it absolutely or is it to guess it first how can you do both of those that can be the best if you can

get a fake definition that is so good that everyone else... That's what you're trying to do. You have to get the ultimate pile on and then not pile on yourself. That's how you can get the most points. A JavaScript framework. Just say that for the rest of them. They all are JavaScript frameworks.

Well, you'll have a good opportunity now. We've moved to round three. This is a different round. We call this round namespace conflict. In this one, I've gone out to the GitHub and I have found an open source project. I will give you all the name of the open source project. Your job is to write the tagline

or the description of said open source project. And the title of this project is Nuclei. Nuclei. N-U-C-L-E-Ii please submit to me your fake taglines now and this is not nucleus from don't say it don't say it silicon valley i would never i would absolutely never now if one of you happens to know what nuclei is then you just tell me that and you'll still get those three points

Thomas first to submit I have Matt's so far nobody has known it not sure that's a good thing to say Jared let's see if Nick can get in before Adam does and retain Adam's streak of last

submitter last off the field and I have Nick's and retain Adam's streak of last submitter. Last off the field. And I have Nick's. Ah! So close. I added one comma and a space and then two more dots and a plus sign.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Add a last minute edit to be more clear. So if you see or hear him delay or add a plus in the definition to be clear okay i now have all four definitions or descriptions i should say for the very real open source project on github called nuclei but what is nuclei number one it's believed to be the real world version of nucleus the copied middle out compression framework from hbo's silicon valley how dare you number two a fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on simple yaml based dsl number three an abstraction atop all popular front-end testing technologies

run everything from one place. Number four, a blazingly fast JavaScript framework written in Rust with AI superpowers. And number five, nuclei get to the center of your issues. There you have five potential descriptions of a very real open source project called Nuclei, but which is the real one. We start now with Adam.

Can you repeat a few for me, please? A few of them, just at random? Use the lava lamp to pick which one, Adam. He doesn't care which one's a year's back. He just wants to hear a few. I would like to hear... Were you listening the first time? Two and three, please.

Two and three. Two and three, okay. Two is a fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on simple YAML-based DSL. Okay, I meant three and four, sorry. Oh, sorry. Three is an abstraction atop all popular front-end testing technologies.

Run everything from one place. And four is a blazingly fast JS framework written in Rust with AI superpowers. What was number one again? HBO to Silicon Valley. What about number five? I'm just kidding. I'll take number three, please. All right.

Number three is the abstraction. Abstraction. Read that one again one more time. An abstraction atop all popular front-end testing technologies. Run everything in one place. That's the one? That's the one. All right. That's the one? That's the one. All right, that's Adams.

We go now to Matt. Can you read number five again? I'm not trolling. I think that's the one I'm going to. You're not trolling? No. Number five, it says get to the center of your issues. Is it G-I-T though?

No, it's G-E-T. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's good. That's a good, like, could be also a quite a good fake this would be a good fake one that one of these young lads would come up with i reckon to throw me off the scent yeah it's hard to say yeah and number two again just one more time jared i think number two is the fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on a simple yaml

yeah dsl it was the addition of the YAML DSL. Like, that's a brag. That's somehow a good thing. It's a brag. Descriptions don't brag. Like trying too hard? I'm going to go number five, I think. And if that is it, I deserve to lose points to someone if they've...

All right, Matt votes for number five. Get to the center of your issues. Nick, what do you think? I think... What was number one again? You know, you can write things down. I refuse to read number one again. You know what it is, and you're just trolling me.

Your favorite show, right? Absolutely. I'm sorry, but can you, I do, I think I have number two. Can you repeat number three, please? An abstraction atop all popular front-end testing technologies run everything from one place. Adam selected that one. In case you want to have Matt sing the Pylon song again. So he selected three and five.

Matt's on five. Adam's on three. Who's on first? Who's on third? I'll take two. What's on third? Two. You're taking the vulnerability scanner correct

yes okay nick has that one we go now to thomas all right can you read yes i can oh that's wonderful all right as i've heard this i'm thinking get to the center of your issues. It's nice. It's clean. It could be fake. But I also, you know, it also leaves a lot of interpretation as to what the project could actually do getting to the center of your issues. It could be a therapy program. It could be a lot. True. So I'm thinking I'm thinking I'll go with that one center of your issues.

We'll pile on to that one a little bit. A little bit. A little bit of a pile. We only got two on that one a little bit. A little bit of a pile. We've only got two on there, Thomas and Matt. So let's start right there. Both Matt and Thomas thought that a nuclei might be get to the center of your issues. A pretty good tagline written by one Nick Neesey.

That is Nick. So good. Because it's a nuclei. Because you're saying I as well. So it's like looking out. I thought it was great. It's also the nucleus inside. So good. Because it's nuclear I. Because you're saying I as well, so it's like looking out. I thought it was great. It's also the nucleus inside. So good. How many points does it get?

So Nick scores two points for tricking two of you. Good job, Nick. Adam, however, thought that a nuclei was the abstraction atop all popular front-end testing technologies. That was written by Matt. So Matt gets a point there. Nice one. And Nick thought it was a customizable vulnerability scanner

based on a simple YAML-based DSL, and that is exactly what Nuclei is. Really? All right. So Nick got it right. He gets two more points for the correct answer and really takes a big lead after round three. I was really queuing in on that yaml keyword too like yeah that's voice specific or it's it's trying to trick me yeah and i obviously wrote about the copy of middle

and we all know who wrote the silicon valley one my problem though was that i i worded it incorrectly it was not like a description it was not believable right i think it was too long for the the gith GitHub tagline area. Yeah, that's the problem. As I read it back, I'm like, my strategy for what I wrote was wrong. The other problem is it had Silicon Valley in it. You basically traded points for a few lulls.

If I could have just said fan art based on Silicon Valley, that would have been good. Just simple. That might have actually got you guys. We're going to get better at this, aren't we, as we go. Yeah. Well, that's the strategy, right? It's like believability and STEM.

And STEM. Because sometimes there's definitions out there that are like not STEM. Yeah, that's true. After three rounds, Nick moves from dead last to dead first. He has seven points. Matt is in second place with six. And Thomas and Adam are tied with five AP. So it's a tight game.

We move now to round four, where the word ductility. Please submit your definitions now. Adam, can I have a random number from your lava lamp, please? Got it. Thank you. Yeah. Let's write it down. Number six.

Matt is in. I'm in. Thomas is in. We wrote the same exact thing. Could have. Could have. You did in the Graviton round. Thomas, you keep having to go with beans on toast.

What's a sort of local food from where you are? You know, where I am, I'm just outside of dc and so there's such a the comics there's the comic books does that mean yeah yeah yeah no no no no and of course on the other coast you have marvel the two big rivals aren't they the two big rivals i would say that dc is that where batman lives that is where batman lives and a lot of kryptonite take care of a lot of the well there's a lot of kryptonite and that is the main kind of industry in the area is kryptonite mining so very you know but not exactly a cuisine i mean we're not no no no no we're getting there I mean, some people love large vats of acid.

Some people find it transformative. But some people find it drives them crazy. No, there's not a real central D.C. cuisine I can think of. But I will say, I spent a long time in Rochester, New York. It's where I went to grad school. And they have something called a garbage plate. Oh, that sounds delicious. You know what a garbage plate is?

Sounds yummy. I can take a few guesses. Yeah, well, it's kind of a loose idea of a food. It is a plate that includes a hamburger. You got some hot dog on there, chopped up, usually some macaroni salad, sometimes beans. Really just anything that you might any toast you know what with with a little bit of uh ingenuity you could add some toast to that

so if you worked hard you could turn garbage into beans on toast is what we're saying exactly right there there is a possible transmutation right from from garbage to beans on toast yes and so that's where a lot of my perspective comes from it's a garbage plate like leftovers and it's just a mix of everything it's kind of like everything that you could get at a at a diner or a you know barbecue joint well not like a southern barbecue joint but like you know northern one and maybe at a family barbecue yeah i just thought it was a result of a successful night of dumpster diving, but it can be,

you don't take a plate depending on your palate and how good you are at digesting food. Right. All right. We have all four definitions, five, including the real one for ductility. Number one,

the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. Number two, helpful objects formed with duct tape. Number one, the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. Number two, helpful objects formed with duct tape. Number three, a measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. Covering a small hole has high ductility. Number four, a fast utility-first duct typing library. And number five, a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue, contraction of duct tape and utility. there's your five definitions we start with matt this round what do you think is the right definition that last one sounds properly like real but is that a double bluff

or just a normal bluff it's just a one could be just a one bluff it could be a triple bluff could it actually a double bluff would be worth choosing if it's even should go back to which one it's odd it goes back to what it was what's i can't remember i think you know the answer to this what's like 15 what's like a 15th bluff it just goes odd even yeah yeah so just sort of you can okay i think the one about measuring the how easy you could fix something with duct tape, measuring the severity of a problem. I like that. Okay, that's number three.

A measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. That would be the ductility. It's either that or the last one, I would say. So I'll go for three. All right, he's going for three. Nick. Three was my guess too, but to be different, I'm going to go with five. Do you know what number five is, Nick?

Or are you just following the leader? That was the one about duct typing, right? No, that's number four. Can you repeat number five? I thought you might have moved a little quick on that. Number five was a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue, a contraction of duct tape and utility. Ductility.

Oh, okay. I'm going to stick with five. Oh, you're going to stick with that one? Yeah. Oh, okay. It's like something was in there. They're like... All right, that's Nick's. He's got five.

Oh my gosh. And Thomas. Yes, I will pile on with Nick, even though he didn't know which one he was picking. Now he does, and I agree with him. That temporary tool, that sounds right. You're being very ductile there, Thomas. Yes.

Last up, Adam. What are you thinking? We have a pile on beginning. We also have Matt over there on the solvable problem. Not feeling good over here on this little island, I'll tell you that. Not feeling good? I'm going gonna give you a chance here jared to get some points you're gonna pile we're gonna we're gonna split it

i'm gonna go with matt you're gonna go with matt yeah i think it's a measure okay he thinks it's a measure ductility is definitely a measure all right it's hard isn't it so we don't need the pile on it's hard to remember the definitions and stuff because i think jared reads them and we're not listening that's what i think is happening i get that i get that feeling too yeah because as soon as i read them someone's like will you read those again yeah it's like where were you when i read them yeah i don't know i don't know the answer to that it's a sincere question because you're all right here in my screens but okay let's see how it shakes out dog pile number one was nick

and thomas they thought ductility was a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue a contraction of duct tape and utility i thought that was pretty clever and matt is pretty clever because that was his definition cheeky twoy! Two points for Matt. Cheeky. That's the sound effect they play when that happens. He does it in English. Say it again. Cheeky! It's like English. Who is cheeky?

Clip. There goes a clip right there. Cheeky! Dog pile number two was Matt and Adam. They thought ductility was a measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. That was Thomas's measure. You made that one up. Two points for Thomas.

Great one. Good job, Thomas. Thank you. I didn't want to go with it because I kind of figured it probably wasn't true, but I figured whoever did it earned the points. Okay. Earned the points, you know? He earned them.

And guess who else earned a few points this round? Earned the points, you know? He earned them. And guess who else earned a few points this round? Jared. Oh, Jared. Yours truly, because ductility is the act of throwing something or someone

out of a window. What? I thought that that was defenestration. Oh, shoot. I switched the words. I'm serious. I switched the words.

It is defenestration. Blimey. Because you didn't read the right definition for ductility. No, I didn't. Yeah, I know what ductility is. I'll tell you what ductility is. Ductility is helpful objects formed from duct tape. That's what ductility is. Ductility is a metal is ductile if you can hit it with a hammer and deform it. Right. I screwed it up big time. I actually didn't

switch them. What I did was I took the fenestration and I pasted its definition on top of ductilities. Do not feel bad. Don't throw yourself out the window. This is unfixable. I don't think i get any points this round no points awarded that's how i'll fix it i'll go zero and we'll leave everything else alone so what was the correct definition again if a metal can be deformed by hitting it with a hammer and it stays in that deformation so like a wire has high ductility because you can kind of stretch it out right

the ability of a material to sustain significant plastic deformation before fracture that's what it was yes yeah i pasted the wrong thing i was really excited because the fenestration was such a cool word it is a good word and i was i have a round called not stem because that's not stem throwing someone out of windows not stem no that's that's physics that's physics i've worked in some places i can tell you well maybe yeah i was i was trying to think of the ways i would argue that being stem because i read the definition i'm like that's not really stem it's just throwing people out windows thomas why did you know that so fast defenestration yeah you knew that really well why did i know that word uh just just random facts knowledge but a background context here isn't required well i have my master's degree in physics did you know that okay so there's a couple things like graviton that

right those ones were they're hitting into your wheelhouse they're hitting into my wheelhouse so you got to go towards throwing people out windows as well in your hobbies and college this is that that is yeah exactly um that's actually how they dealt with us if we didn't do well on our papers. Okay. I'm going to defenestrate you. They defenestrated you. They defenestrated me, yeah.

The worst part about this is I ruined two rounds because I can't use that one anymore either. Oh, sorry. Well, actually, I ruined that by calling you out on what the book is. No, you were correct. I ruined it by having the wrong definition for ductility. We both ruined it. Don't fall out over this. But hang on. I ruined it by having the wrong definition for ductility. You both ruined it. Don't fall out over this.

But hang on. We ruined it together. What's the word again? Defenestration. Defenestration. Defenestration is the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. Out of a window. So is fenestration, would fenestration be throwing them into a window?

Like throwing them up and in? How is it D? Yeah, Thomas. That's how they do like explain the physics of that one for firefighting if they need to get you onto the second floor and they don't have a ladder they got somebody really big they finished right that's why they have the uh the trampolines at the bottom is that just so they can bounce up and see what's going on that's just for fun actually it's a very stressful job so you know how like at google they have ping pong tables

oh yeah that's why they bring the trampoline so it's just like go and have five minutes billy you've worked hard go and have five minutes on the trampoline we'll we'll deal with the rest of this fire yes well after a crazy round four i have subtracted those three points that i gave myself and i'm back at zero but we let thomas's two and matt's to stand because they did convince Matt or they convinced the other people to select theirs and so that puts them into a tie for second Thomas and a leader now Matt

leapfrogging over Nick and Thomas at seven with eight so it's Matt eight Nick and Thomas tied with seven and Adam with five I am down here in the basement where I belong and we move now to round five. What's up friends. I'm here in the breaks with 1Password, our newest sponsor. We love 1Password.

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unfair advantage jared he's got a master's degree in physics. How's that not giving him an unfair advantage? Education's just cheating, guys. That's fair. Education is cheating. It's the most expensive form of cheating. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes too expensive to climb out from under. Hopefully you're putting that to good work.

Aren't you a software engineer? Are you also a physician? A physician? That's a different degree. I can't do that. engineer? Mm-hmm. Are you also a physician? A physician? That's a different degree. I can't do that. No, that's his next one. Are you a physician? I thought you said you had your degree in physicians.

Physicians. Physicians. For this round called Give It a Goog, which is G-O-O-G, of course, the ticker symbol for Google, and not some sort of British euphemism, I hope. We'll have to bleep it for the British audiences, but yeah. Is a round in which I began to ask Google a question or type a phrase into Google, and then I paused and let it autocomplete.

Ah. Your job is to write said autocomplete. So what was the number one suggested autocomplete for the given phrase in Google? And that phrase was, why doesn't Apple? Why doesn't Apple? And I stopped. And Google suggested a bunch of things. One of those things is the number one thing. And you now write what you think that is. Did you do this in... Incognito mode.

Yeah, because otherwise it's going to be specific to you. It'll be something about, I don't know, sports or... Right, and I wouldn't want to share those skeletons in my closet. All right, so there it is. Why doesn't Apple finish that phrase, what do you think Google would autocomplete? I have Matt. I was in San Francisco once

in this bar, and I met an Apple engineer. And this was just when the M1 chips came out. And we were kind of chatting. And I said to him, he's like, oh, I'm working on something top secret next. And I was like, oh, what is it? The M2? And he just went, like, pale and quiet.

So I'd, like, guessed the M2 as a joke from the M1. Did you work for Gizmodo at the time? No, no, and no one will hire me in the press. But, yeah. If you really want to make money, you should have stole off with his pre-release iPhone. Yeah, that would have been good, actually. Although, I'm not a thief, really,

but I could have won it in a bet. Well, not in that case. After he turned into a ghost, I mean. He went all serious. Do what you will. And he's like, I can't talk about it. I'd guessed it, hadn't I? But it's such an obvious guess.

Why would that be covered by NDA? I don't know. Because they can't tell you that they're going to increment the number you know i know yeah it's a secret had you had said m3 he could have just laughed and said of course not yeah or what right m m1 part 2 m1 pro max actually to be fair they do have the ultra in the mind i have th Thomas's and Nick's and Adam's. Ooh, I'm not sure who came in first there, but we know who came in last.

I don't want Adam to feel picked on because he's being slow. No. Of course not. You guys took ages to agree with me then. It's because they had to cross the ocean to get here. Sorry, I'm in the middle of a very complicated copy-paste.

You know what can go wrong when I copy-paste wrong. I changed the meaning of words. Don't do that. All right, give it a goog. Why doesn't Apple? Five potential responses. The first one, why doesn't Apple pay work? The second one, why doesn't Apple taste good like banana?

The third one, why doesn't Apple make cheaper products? Number four, why doesn't Apple let me change the default browser for iPhone? Number five, why doesn't Apple let iPads run macOS? There you have the five potential autocompletes for the phrase, why doesn't Apple? We start this round with Nick. Not with me. Um, can you repeat the first two, please? Number one was, why doesn't Apple pay work?

Number two was, why doesn't Apple taste good like banana? Fuck it easily. Apparently submitted by a caveman. Apple does support other browsers sort of and in the EU but that was a recent the default browser? you can change the default browser

but the default browser is always Safari except for the EU now you mean the rendering engine versus the actual app but would people know that? but you've been able to change the default browser forever. These are non-nerd searches, Nick. Yeah, I mean these are the masses here.

So then it is either one or two. I'll go with one because apples are better than bananas. All right, number one. Nick takes number one. We go now to Thomas. Yeah, I'm thinking though, why doesn't Apple Pay work? Because that seems like what the masses might be thinking. We could be stereotyping very badly.

Yeah. Now it works pretty well. Okay. In my experience, Apple Pay has worked pretty well. It works pretty well. I don't carry anything else. Anything else? No. Wow, that's pretty well. No wallet?

No wallet. Where's your ID? It's in the car. Okay. So if you want to steal Nick's identity, just steal his car. Steal his car and get his identity. I'm hopping in your car when you get out, buddy. All right, well, that's pretty good vouching.

Which car is his, though? Which car is his? The one with his ID in it, Matt. Come on. Keep up. My car is not identifiable what's your vin number yeah no yeah my license plate is vim vim it literally is that's so good not now he just docks himself hardcore yeah come on nick edit that out it's miv the number plate on my car is VS Code Is that why you're so slow?

Yeah Is that why you're so slow? Rimshot I've never got a speeding ticket, put it that way Quite bloated Thomas, we're still waiting for you to decide I'm still waiting I'm going to pile on with Nick on the

Why doesn't Apple Pay work Alright, we've got to get the pile on song out Alright, we go to Adam It's the pile on song out. All right. We go to Adam. It's a pile on. Those are too wordy. You know, let's go with which ones go.

They're all too wordy. Why doesn't Apple let iPads run MacOS? That's like a four words. It's like 17 down in the auto complete, not the first one. It's an auto complete for sure, but not the first one. Overly explanatory is not good in this case.

Okay. So you're going with the shortest one? I just added one word, work. Well, pay and work, I suppose. Two words. Count them. One, two. So you're piling on.

Pile on, yeah. Pile on. All right. Number one. I just shared my logic with you, Matt. So I'm giving you a leg up. Matt, what are you thinking? We have a pile on here. There's another one, though, so I'm giving you a leg up. Matt, what are you thinking? We have a pile on here.

There's another one, though, that you could probably guess just saying. Tastes good like banana. Well, that one's funny, but I think people, there's no reason why, in an incognito mode, there's no reason why it would assume Apple, the company, maybe. Oh, no, of course. Yeah. And it could easily be a funny one. Why doesn't Apple

taste good like banana? I like that one. Banana. It's not banana. It's banana. That's how they say it. And there's a U in there somewhere. Do you think the world's population prefers banana

to Apple? Yeah, I'm the one. When you just say banana by itself, it's like, no, that's not real, is it? I'm the one talking funny. Do you really say that, Matt? You say banana? Banana. Banana.

Yeah. You got like a... Like banana-na-na-na. I'm sorry about that, Matt. I know you save loads of time, to be fair. At the end of your day, if you add it up over your lifetime, lifetime you probably say you know significant i mean ours sounds so much better banana i mean that's just better banana yeah it doesn't hurt my ears b-a-n-a-n-a-b whatever let's hear let's hear a selection matt before we i think it's a pile on you think it's the pile on all right should we

play the pile on song well you song? How about a version two? Let's hear it. A remix. Yeah, make it different. Have you ever seen a baby that looked like an old man? Have you ever seen a lady that also looked like an old man? Well, I don't know what that's about but we're gonna pile on and that's why we sing the pile on song

it wasn't as relevant as the first one was it should have put banana in there buddy i don't know what that was about honestly i feel like he just uh remixed an old song for us but we'll take it you know it's better that was written that's a good point yeah i would say you know i was about to say it's better than toast underneath some beans all right there's at least one more definition that was plausible okay i'm just saying that's one more yeah it plausible. So all four of you thought the number one autocomplete for why doesn't Apple is pay work. Why doesn't Apple pay work? And that is the number one autocomplete

for why doesn't Apple. So three points or two points for everybody. Blocked them out. AKA a worthless round. Good job, guys. Way to ruin it. Interestingly, I thought this was interesting. The number two response was, why doesn't

Apple Pencil work on my iPhone? And the number three response was, why doesn't Apple CarPlay work? And the number four autocomplete was, why doesn't Apple TV work? Are you sensing a theme? But it makes sense. That's what people are searching for. You don't search for, why is my iPhone working?

No one's searching for that, are they? that might be the better question why is that's true i'm working it's mind-blowing when you dig into it there's books on that you need a physics master right to understand it probably you know you don't this is gonna be my mark for my life thomas eckert the physician physician it should be though is there a doctor on this plane yeah

I can only throw people out the window I don't fly planes I fly in helicopters helicopters after round five we gave it a goog and Matt retains

his lead with ten points Nick and Thomas with nine and Adam with 7. We skip round 6 because of reasons we will not revisit. And we move to round 7. Klein bottle. Wait, it wasn't even the next one down?

You skipped like four answers down and then copied the definition? Excuse me? We both started with D. I'm just trying to understand. No, here's what happened was, you guys want the full explanation? Because this is how software works. I switched the tabs, round six and round four, because I thought it would be a better flow. And then I had the wrong thing for four.

And so six had the same thing as four. Yeah. So that's why those two were involved. So thanks for revisiting that, even though I clearly declared we were not going to revisit it. What's up, friends? This episode is brought to you by our friends at Neon, on-demand scalability, bottomless storage, and database branching. And I'm here with Nikita Shamganov, co-founder and CEO of Neon.

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Klein bottle. That's two words. Klein is the first word, and bottle is the second word. So Klein bottle. Spell it out like that. K-L-E-I-N space B-O-T-T-L-E. End. Klein bottle.

Excuse me, I'm off to go check the definition and make sure it's correct so as to not embarrass somebody a second time. Nick, first one in. We should have had you do a song about apple tastes good like banana i think that would have been better that's not too late that sounds like a nursery rhyme was that matt's that could have been a yeah that was mad yeah i do it yeah yeah but it didn't could have been a hit like uh it could have been a hit pen pineapple apple pen oh yeah it would have been better if someone had gone for it though.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. Waiting on Adam. Sorry about that. Okay, just let everybody know. Part of the course here. Just perfecting my words here. Can I change mine? Sure. You can. Before the round begins.

Not during. No. Sorry, Jared. I'm doing your job. No, before the round begins. Not during. No. Sorry, Jared. I'm doing your job. No, it's all good. I didn't swap the tabs, though, so you're okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

How about all them tabs that guy had? Huh? 7,400 tabs? What was it? Whew. 7,400. Come on, now. Can you believe that?

I felt vindicated. I was like, yes! I don't know what you're talking about. I was listening to that news and my truck just pumping my fist and people were like, what's wrong with that guy? Somebody else trumped me on tabs. Yeah, Nick, there was somebody who had 7,400 tabs open over the course of two plus years.

And they were quite upset when firefox suddenly lost their session i have all five definitions we will see which one is correct for klein bottle number one a storage solution for calvin's fetid wares number two a non-orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside. Number three, a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area. A Klein bottle can be filled with paint but never painted. Never fully painted, excuse me. Number four, bottle cap tester tool for fitness and water tightness created by Klein tools. Number five, an algorithm for aggregating time series data

originally described by Robert C. Klein. There we go. I'm going to go to Adam first. Surely you're going to ask me to read them all again, and then we'll see what you have to say. Just a few of them. Don't worry. Okay, which ones would you like to hear again?

One through five, please. I'm kidding around. I just need two and three. Two and three. I was just need two and three two and three i was just getting two and three so two is a non-orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside number three is a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area which can be filled with paint but never fully painted i like thomas's reactions to two and three i'm gonna go with two okay interesting i was playing you thomas thank you so much i was playing you thomas i got played i gotta do this i gotta do this you got totally

played all right well let's see how nick plays your turn nick oh no sorry matt matt your turn okay i'm gonna i think i'm gonna go for number three i like the idea that there's a thing that you can fill with paint i've always looked i've always wanted something that you can fill with paint but can never paint it never paint and so yeah it's got to be that one for me and it's mathematical so okay maths is uh yeah it's very good now we go to i feel bad i should go with three i'm gonna do that i'm gonna go with three and i think oh no don't go with three come on they're piling on three this isn't a pylon game why do you think it is i knew it was between two and three because i think you read them in order that we it's actually in order that you are on my screen that That's an insane reason.

That's a metagame, isn't it? You think I'm just reading them in the screen order? I knew that mine was number one. No, that's a mad reason. You might as well consult. This guy's really playing the metagame. I'm the last one. I'm the last one. No, you're not.

No, Thomas has to go. Oh, shoot, I'm not. So you broke the rules, Nick. You're kicked out. Get out of here. I'm not the only one screwing this game up jason everything nick has said during this podcast just edit it he's gone making it easier for me yeah there we go that's not fair that's not fair but that that system for deciding i think is so random like you might as well consult horoscopes or something nick or

get a crystal skull out that's right yeah or a pseudo random number generator i saw all the stars last night i knew i was playing this game today and so therefore it's three like 80 of the change a lot of people are pisces as we is that right gear hard yeah a lot of pisces yeah a lot of places adam amel i think so do all those people have the same kind of day we have the same energy level we vibe well we do check in with each other yeah no but i mean literally like you read the horoscope and it's like you're gonna go you're gonna have some financial luck this morning and then maybe some romance in the evening so every all prices are just having that same day like some kind of distributed groundhog i haven't had

that day in a while so you know that's good right yeah i get Yeah. I get the evening part, but no money in the morning. You all read the same fortune cookie, and it just says defenestration. Yeah. And everyone just jumps out. You all need to defenestrate. You've got to defenestrate or be defenestrated. Yeah. I mean, are you the subject or the object?

Yeah. All right, Thomas. The ball's in your court here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to choose. Can you give me the exact definition on number two? Pretty sure it's number two. A non-orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside?

Yeah, it's number two. It's number two. Jared, you should choose. I mean, there's a better answer out there. You should choose one answer. Just choose one. If you were to choose an answer, I'm not saying that you would or you could.

What would you choose? If you were to, which would you choose? If I was going to choose one of these for the pure joy of it i would probably choose a storage solution for calvin's fetid wares even though i don't know what fetid means but calvin klein right i mean that's the joke yeah yeah yeah that means smelly smelly okay so i don't have the vocabulary that Nick does. That's a good one. I like that. And then I also liked Robert C. Klein.

Because on that one, Matt just made up a word, a false human. That's Bobby Klein. No, that's Bobby Klein. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. It's me in disguise. This is, yeah. Well, that took a turn.

Hey, everybody. It's Bobby Klein. I'm going to tell you about our time series algorithms Is that too much? That's basically the sort of voice I went with Is that a pretty good impersonation of the person? Is that accurate? No that's him coming out

You've got a couple different personalities in there So wait a minute you put on this British accent the whole time but the whole time you actually had that other voice was the real you See Klein's not the real me it's like al pacino mixed with something else like al pacino mixed with something do it again matt one more time listen for al pacino or cappuccino whatever you said it's that sort of thing it's sort of like subtle yeah it's subtle i think say i'm a fan of man yeah i'm a fan of man yell something is i'm a fan of man

yeah i can see some albacino a little bit yeah i think albacino got a lot of his talking from robert c klein well he is getting old so i mean there's some similarities there's true all right matt and nick picked number three. That was a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area. That was Thomas's. So two points for Thomas. Sorry. Meanwhile, Thomas and Adam picked a non-orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside.

That is a Klein bottle. The correct answer. So two points for each of them. It's good work. But Matt, good news. That does exist. It's called Gabriel's Horn. So all you need to go out to the store and buy a Gabriel's Horn.

Oh, really? Is that what that is? And it has finite volume, infinite surface area. I wonder if they sell them on Amazon.co.uk. .uk. You can get them in the US, but you can't get them in the UK. One of those. Because of Brexit.

You could before Brexit. You believe in a lot more stuff that can't exist in the US. Let's not dig too deep into that. Moving forward. After seven crazy rounds, we have Thomas. He's in position to win.

He has 13 points. Remember, 15 or the end of the game. So he's right there on the precipice of a victory, ready to be defenestrated out the window. And Matt with 10. Adam catching up has nine. Nick has nine. Nice.

So it's a tight game. We have a few rounds left. We now move to round eight, which is called, How Do You Do, Fellow Humans? In this round, I have asked ChatGPT a very specific thing. Your job is to be a fake ChatGPT and answer my question exactly the way that ChatGPT would answer it. So what I have told ChatGPT is this phrase.

Make a fictional word that relates to STEM and a single sentence definition of the word. That's what I've asked it to do. It's saying that we've got to guess. Now you must write the response to that particular command and submit it to me now follow up on that one jared yeah do you think that's okay do you think this is okay that you've asked us to do this because what on earth how are we gonna get this do i think that it's okay like existentially or

morally or how do you mean yeah yes i do okay interesting so i to ask to fake like that you're a large language model yeah that bit i'm fine with if they're gonna take our jobs we should take their jobs yeah it's only fair right this is kind of like a plug pull kind of a move here yeah just let people text you and you answer we're fighting back that's basically what it is yeah now i asked this to gpt40 o stands for omni it did not respond with a picture, but I suppose it could have. It should say, hello, my name is Scarlett Johansson. I'm trapped.

I'm trapped in a GPT factory. It did not. I think they had to disable that module. They did. They could have just got Robert C. Klein to do it. It would have been good if. He has a great voice. Lovely, isn't it? It's one of those relaxing kind of... It's almost too alluring, though. I mean,

you might have a lot of nerves falling in love. That's going to happen anyway, though, isn't it? We can't really be trusted with life. No, we might just throw it out a window, you know? Can you read again, Jared, what you... Oh, you actually have shared it. Yeah, I prompted it by saying

make up a fictional word that relates to STEM and a single sentence definition of the word. And don't make it ductility. That word is dead to me. My ego is too brittle for ductility. Okay, I have Matt's. I have Thomas's. I have Nick's.

But Matt, there is a Grafana dashboard internally. That is your social score as you say different things. Yeah. Internal at Grafana or just in your house, Thomas? Yes. You can set up alerts now as well in Grafana Cloud, so if I say

something bad, I get alerts going off. It's like, what are you doing? It's a good idea. It's a good system. Oh, no. I know that because I just triggered a I get alerts going off. It's like, what are you doing? It's a good idea. It's a good system. Oh, no. I know that because I just triggered a bunch of alerts at work. I'm sure it's fine now. Testing in production. All right.

I now have all of the fake chat GPT responses. Real responses. One of them is not pasting correctly. Hold on. Give me a second. These aren't artificial, are they? I don't understand. Like what we're worried.

Yeah. What makes it artificial? Well, it's now I'm saying these ones aren't, these are real. These have come from real intelligence. These are real lies. Yeah.

Farm to table lies. Yeah. We haven't hallucinated these. Non-GMO, non-GPU. GPU. Non-GPU. All right.

I told ChatGPT, I said, listen up here, ChatGPT. Make up a fictional word that relates to STEM and a single-sentence definition of the word. Here are five potential responses. Number one, SAURDAC is the study of quantum mechanics where it intersects with microbiology. Number two, neuroquantumize, the process of encoding and manipulating neural information using quantum computing principles

to achieve unprecedented processing speeds and accuracy. Number three, geostasis, the theoretical point at which a planet's rotation has ceased due to the pull of nearby celestial bodies number four to create a word like this you can use a dictionary to find a word related to stem i have selected singularity which has several concepts to pay on the context i had chosen to use the definition based on gravity becoming infinite inside a singularity lies the infinite point the infinite point a place in space time where all points are compressed to a single point. And number five. Stemist.

A palindromic accolade describing those most adept at science, engineering, and technology. Not a palindrome. Yeah. No, palindromic. Not a palindrome there. Palindromic. Palindromic. Close to a palindromic not a palindrome there palindromic and even close to a palindrome palindrome ish yeah there you go there is a word that palindrome backwards have you heard of that the word palindrome backwards is a word that is not a palindrome unofficially yeah no it should have been a palindromatic word oh yeah yeah i guess it's i don't know ah is it my turn yes that long-winded one the longest one does

the infinite point yeah i don't know that could easily be also a troll oh this is too hard that's the problem with this game isn't it but you're not going for the palindrome one might go for that as well because it's yeah if it's like got that wrong that is just so yeah that does sound like well it's a fake definition anyways but that's a very gpt thing but then so is that i think what was the singularity one that was the long one the infinite point that's that's probably a troll isn't it is it could it be a bluff is that rhetorical question i mean if someone can answer that and tell me if it's a bluff or not i'll take it but it was rhetorical jared can tell you all right i don't know so i'm gonna go for the neuroquantumized one just because neuroquantum yes just because i think that's cool whoever

made that up deserves it okay that's cool there's a point neuroquantumized all right think that's cool. Whoever made that up deserves it. Okay. That's cool. Deserves a point. Nero, quantumize. All right, so that's maths. We go to Nick. Kind of for similar thinking, I'm thinking that it's the long one, number four, because it failed to do the single sentence thing, and that seems like a very GPT thing to do.

Could be a bluff, though. All right, number four. That's the singularity one, the long one. And to Thomas. all right number four that's the singularity one the long one and to thomas i'm thinking stemist because uh it makes sense that gpt would maybe like not fully understand the palindrome thing and maybe uh not know what stem means so i think i think, I think stemist. All right. Very good. That was number two, right? That was number five. Oh, five.

And last is Adam. What was number three again, Jared? Three was geostasis, the theoretical point at which a planet's rotation has ceased due to the pull of nearby celestial bodies.

Huh. Maybe it's just striking a pose, you know? Maybe. Was one. One seemed off off but curious one was the was sourdak which is s-a-u-e-r-d-a-c the study of quantum mechanics where it intersects with microbiology why that word though sourdak i guess my better judgment i'm gonna go with three

three is geostasis ge Geostasis. Okay. I think we're all in then. Let's start right there. Geostasis, the theoretical point, which a planet strikes a pose. That was Thomas' creation. So one point to Thomas. Very good. I thought that was real.

Almost for the win. Thomas went for stemist, a palindromic but not palindromish accolade describing those most adept at science, engineering, and technology. That was Matt's. Very nice, Matt. Bluffs. Creation. One point for him.

Bluffs. Bluffs. Nick went for the long one. Yeah. Which I won't read back because it's long. But it had both the GPT metagame as well as the correct or a version of the answer in there as well and that was written by Adam

so not GPT such a good bluff that nearly had me I almost got it Adam knows very well how to chat GPT replies that was a great one and Matt went with NeuroQuantumize which was actually

invented by ChatG gpt for a lot of matt found it neuro quantumize i only picked that because i wanted that to be real i didn't i don't really deserve that but i'll take it i'll take points accepted oh you're gonna accept them you're not denying them you deserve it you're a legend you're a legend. You're a legend. Be treated like a legend. Well, the legend is still in second place, though. He has not achieved first. Thomas is in first with 14, one point away from winning, but Matt's in striking distance. He has 13.

He could definitely win this round. Adam with 10. Nick slipping into last, if you don't count me, which we don't, with nine points. We would count me if i was close to winning but since i'm not we'll forget about it all right we now move to round nine which is a non-stem round that was good time to shine sorry to all the stemists out there all right and the word for round nine is phonic spelled that's spelled c-h-t-h-o-n-i-c and it's pronounced phonic c-h-t-h-o-n-o-n-i-c there's a song about this in the 90s, I think. Thonic. Thonic. This is the video game, Thonic.

Thonic Adventures, Thonic Knuckles. Yeah, yeah, it's the... Yes. Yeah, Thonic. It's the... Thonic Tales. It's the short-tongued Fega series. It was on Fega Mega Drive originally.

Yeah. Thonic the Fedgehog. What is our Fega Mega Drive? What is our objective, Jared, in this one? It's from Fega. Yeah, I remember that. We had that. Just to define it.

Faker. Can someone harmonize with that for me, please? Faker. There we go. Yeah. Put autotune on that, please. Is that how you just ask

for autotune and it just happens? That's what we call post-production. Yeah, the auditors are great. We got to get at least one more song out of Matt before this show is over. So guys, be thinking about something we can prompt him with. happens that's what we call post-production yeah the editors are great we gotta get at least one more song out of matt before this show is over so guys be thinking about something we can prompt him

with non-stem non-stem non-stem non-stem yeah some things are stem some things are non-stem it's such a strange spelling of a word i don't know any other words c-h-t-H-O-N-I-C. Yeah, but that... What do you... Yeah. It sounds like a password. Maybe it's Greek or something. Oh, the hell. Greek again. We've exhausted all my Greek, yeah.

Although with Greek, there'd be more Ks involved. Yeah, and you'd have to do some sums halfway through. That C at the end would definitely be a K. Maybe we can get Matt to sing a Sonic the Hedgehog song.

A what song? Sonic. Sonic. Sonic. So far I have zero definitions for Sonic. Isn't it Sonic? They're having too much fun. They don't want the game to end. Don't you think?

Isn't it Sonic? Yeah. Not bad. If that was an Apple product, it would be iThonic. Yep. Here they come. Oh, they would be iThonic. Yep. Here they come. Oh, they're all in. There we go.

Splash. You just had to let them cook. All right. Aggregating, aggregating. Is this your audible version of a spinning wheel? Yes. Or your pulsating dots? Let me see what I can find on the web for iThonic. I had a beach ball of death spinning,

and then the beach ball itself crashed. And I was half expecting another smaller beach ball to appear next to it. And it just goes on like that. But yeah, it's bad when your beach ball's crashed as well. All right. All five definitions for thonic. Number number one a colossal terrifying creature with an octopus head tentacles and a large scaled covered body with immense wings often portrayed in mythos as an incomprehensible horror terrorizing wayward ships number two the taste so much detail the taste that remains in your mouth after eating

apples and bananas or is that bananas i don't know number three a therapy involving holding one's breath for increasing periods of time to help increase lung capacity number four of or relating to the underworld number five a literary device in which both a protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot. That's five definitions for thonic. We start with Nick because it rhymes with thonic. Does it? I guess that's true.

It is. There can be a song there. It's true. It is. There can be a song there. It's easy. It's easy to write that. Okay. Can you repeat three and four, please? Oh, boy. I would love to.

Number three, a therapy involving holding one's breath for increasing periods of time to help increase lung capacity. Number four, of or relating to the underworld. Either of those sound right. You just pick both of them. Just give them half a point to I think. Yeah. Ride the two. I'll do...

Personal spread. I'll do three. All right. Nick goes with three. That's the lung capacity one. We go to Thomas. I'm also looking at those two, but I'm going to zag. I'm going to go to Alva relating to the underworld.

Thomas goes to the underworld. Oh, thanks. You did it. Adam. I'm thinking one or five. Give me a one or five, Jared. Number one, a colossal, terrifying creature with an octopus head, tentacles, and a large, scaled-covered body with immense wings,

often portrayed in mythos as an incomprehensible horror, terrorizing wayward ships. If one of us on this call has come up with that, then, do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. Good, because I don't want to finish this with one of us. I don't want to give you any more words. What do you mean? I just can't believe that. How do you mean. Good, because I don't want to finish this with one of us. I don't want to give you any more words. What do you mean? I just can't believe that. How do you mean?

And then how about five? Five was a literary device in which both a protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot. That sounds fun. They all sound so good, don't they? They all sound legit. These are all pretty good definitions. I'm not going to lie. Remind me, two again? Two had something to do with the bananas. Taste in your mouth. they all sound legit these are all pretty good definitions I'm not gonna lie remind me 2 again

2 had something to do with the bananas taste in your mouth maybe a math thing apples and bananas the taste that remains after eating apples and bananas it's kind of thonic too I can be thonic

thonic cause like after you eat the apple the banana you're like kind of like that you have like a going on it's a thonic feeling yeah

let's go with number 1 whoever wrote that deserves some points. All right. Number one. Yeah. That's good. And now we go to Matt for the final selection. Yeah.

I kind of think that's such a good bluff. But also I thought Adam did that long one. And he's just good. Could be picking his own. That's what it would do. To get a point. And he said the person who came up with that deserves the points. That could have been some little messaging.

That's right. Deserves the points, Matt. Deserves the points. Give the points to number two. Does anybody want to change theirs? Number two. Go with number two. Yeah, I'm on the last one, aren't I?

Yeah, this is it, man. Number two is your selection i'm giving it to you now i love the short of the underworld one was was written like a dictionary definition uh but again the others haven't been as much so i think that's someone on here being silly bugger or clever bugger as i call it uh might go might just go geostasis again let's go for that one well you definitely got the stasis part down ah it's tough i'm gonna go the plot one because i love that i love that there's a that's so that's so good if i think again if someone's come up with that it's great but whoever did the first one i think needs help. All right. Well, let's start with the plot one.

The plot thickens with a literary device in which a protagonist and their foils switch sides by the end. Matt guessed it. Thomas wrote it. One point for Thomas. You may have remembered how many points he needed to begin with. He may be there, but does Matt score any points and beat him? That's the question.

Next up, we go to a therapy involving holding one's breath. Don't hold your breath too long, Nick, because Matt wrote that. And so a point for Matt. The plot continues to thicken even more. And they're both now scoring points. The long one, which we all agree was the best written and the most interesting and the handsomest of the group that Adam selected was written by the one and only Nick Nisi.

Hey, Nick. Nice one, dude. It's about time. That's very well done. In fact, I'm going to give you a bonus point for that. Oh, nice. Because you're going to lose and the points don't matter. So if I give you a bonus point for that. Oh, nice. Because you're going to lose and the points don't matter. So if I give you a bonus point, it makes me look nice.

Okay. Finally, Thomas selected of or relating to the underworld. You know, kind of like how Thonic, the hedgehog, goes under the ground. Thonic goes under the ground. Yeah, that's Thonic. Of or relating to the underworld. So two points for him there. Giving him three points for the round.

Giving him 17 total points and the victory. Congrats, Thomas. Woo! That was beginner's luck. It was a joy to be here. And yes. Somehow Nick beat me in the end, though. Well, I have a couple of questions

before we go into our congratulatory interview. My first question is, is a literary device in which both the protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot, is that a real literary device that you just renamed or you just made it up? It could be. I made it. Is there prior art?

Does anybody know a story in which that happens? Faceoff. Nicolas Cage and John Travolta. Faceoff, yeah. Yeah, but that is the plot like they don't I guess what do you mean by switch sides

like usually it's like the good guy becomes the bad guy and the bad guy becomes the good guy I mean face off that is kind of it's just their faces

that change though right it's a good example Nick I'll take it I like it Game of Thrones who's the good guy in Game of Thrones

his name Lannister and Cersei's brother he was bad then he was good then he was bad it actually wasn't bad in the end

he just went from bad to good if you don't count the last season Jaime is his name Jaime Lannister why are we spending all this time on it

Thomas completely just made it up he just went back to Cersei he didn't really turn he just walked away he went back to love not

something else well I can google it now I wonder if there is a real word yeah google He went back to love, not something else. Well, I can Google it now. I wonder if there is a real word for it. Yeah, Google that. Come back to our listener out there. If you know of any films or stories or TV shows. It's a definition that deserves a word to define it. Yeah.

I suspect FaceHop's a pretty good example. My second question is for Matt. Matt, now that you know that thonic rhymes with Nick, you also know it means of or pertaining to the underworld. You also know that you can give it a lisp and make it Sonic the Hedgehog. Can you come up with a song, perhaps, that combines all these elements? Combines all of it. Into one melodious sonnet or psalmist.

Sonnif. Or stemist. Stemist. Yeah. Matt the psalmist. What key do you Or stemist. Stemist. Yeah. Matt the psalmist. What key do you want it in, everybody? F. E sharp.

A minor. E sharp is F. Don't make it a minor. Don't make it minor. Okay. I have just another one I'm going to do. Yeah, we don't need those. Thonic.

Thonic is how you pronounce it. Is that right? Thonic. Thonic. You got it. Crikey. Or super thonic if you want to go. Oh.

I like to play games On my Sega Mega Drive I like to be the same As the characters on my Sega Mega Drive I'm like a little hedgehog Spinning around, around Going all around Getting coins from underground Even though I know it I gotta get Mr. Dr. Bionic Going all around getting coins from underground.

Even though I know it, I gotta get Mr. Dr. Bionic, or whatever his name is, the baddie from Phonic. And isn't it I-phonic? Don't you think? A little too I-phonic iconic Yeah, I really do think Mmm Mmm I'm going down, down, down, down Underground

Down, down, down, down Underground I'm going down, down, down Underground I'm going down, down, down Sing along if you know it It's a-thonic It's just a-thonic It's a-thonic It's just it's just

I don't know and it's got a CH at the start of the word which you don't need get rid of it there we go. That's great. It's a new bedtime story. Play that to your kids.

Lullaby. That was iconic. Iconic. Oh, you should have put that in. Yeah, I tried to write down as many rhyming words as I could. I should have got done the rhymer thing, but I closed Chrome, didn't I? Good idea. Classic mistake. All right. Thank you, Matt't I? Good idea. Classic mistake.

All right. Thank you, Matt. I like when you said sing it with us if you know the words. I think you should. You were saying down, down, down. That's what we had to do. And you just went with thawning. I said sing along if you know it, which you don't.

We didn't know the words. We thought we did, though. That's our part. Yeah. Really made it that difficult for us for so many reasons, but we still appreciate it. But I just want to say one thing, though, as well. I am also a professional, so if you work with me,

I am also a grown-up. Just want to put that out there. Yeah. That's a good disclaimer. And your Grafana dashboard just went up a little bit. Great. Thank you. That's what I need. Yeah.

The legend continues. Mm. Great. Thank you. That's what I need. Yeah. The legend continues. All right. Well, Thomas wins, like we said. And so we always allow our winner to take a moment and speak to the audience. If you have anything to talk about, you can plug stuff. You could brag some more. You could donate money to a cause if you have any morality. You can do whatever you wanted to

well my own money, donate it in public that would make you look good yeah but then that makes it not so altruistic doesn't it well don't tell us about it so we're going to pause the podcast and I'm going to go give money to a good cause and then come back

you'll just have to know that I did it but don't think about the fact that I did it. Right, because then you... And don't give me any kind of social credit for doing that. Yeah, okay. All right, good. I'm glad we got that covered. This is tricky. I see why podcasting is so difficult.

I will plug a project I've been working on called Devi, in part because once I've plugged it, I will have to go and get it into a shape that people can come and use it. But the idea here is that you can connect a GitHub repository and publish blog posts in Markdown and just keep pushing to that GitHub repository. Kind of like a sub stack for developers using GitHub as the CMS. It's an idea I've been playing around with for about a year now and I'm ready to get some people on it. This is for

early adopter type of people who don't mind finding bugs and yelling at me about them. I would appreciate that. Come yell at me. Go check out devy.page and let me know what you think. Is that devy like D-E-V-Y or how does that work? D-E-V-Y.

Oh, I got it right. All right. Devi. Which is good. D-E-V-Y.page. Dot page. Dot com was too expensive for a side project. You couldn't get the whole website.

You just got one page. So you have dot page. Dot page. That's your page. If you would have got dot pages, so you have.page..page, that's your page. If you really got.pages, then you could add... Pages, that's not a TLD yet. That would have been expensive then, I guess. Could be if you put.page slash s.

Slash s. That might be the solution here, is to prefix that. Or.pag, P-A-G, and then get the.es, then you have pages. Is that Spanish? Yeah, this is my first dot page website, actually. I've never been to a dot page before. Really? Congrats.

It's $10 a month, so. Prices, right? Get them while you can. Get them while you can. I don't want one. I don't want one. I think devy.com was. No, no, no.

You don't have to, but it's good to collect as many. That's basically what I'm many domains as you can. Yes. I'm starting to think this entire thing is just Thomas secretly running the.page TLD and trying to get people to register. That's the real money. During the gold rush, you want to sell the pickaxes.

That'd be cool. An open source thing published with GitHub and the only thing is you have to publish to a dot page you know and then you just sell dot pages I don't know how you

would control that dot pages yeah exactly just an idea that's how you capture the market this is good we can have a little bit

of a kind of you'll buy advisors we're workshopping this as we speak consultants workshop it yeah

very cool so check that out. Good job, Thomas. Way to be both the newcomer and the winner. I mean, Adam, I don't know if you have anything to say for yourself. Being the lowest? Well, no, I wasn't going to say that. Just not winning. I mean,

remember, you're the one who's played this game a few times. I know. It is a challenging game to win, honestly. It is hard. Well, you only got a one in four chance. You really do. I mean, you have to fool people, but you also have to know

things. Right. I think that's how Thomas won because he knew so many of the physics stuff. That's cheating, I think.

Sorry. Yeah. I think maybe I need to like... I didn't see that coming. Yeah. I'm definitely not

inviting him back. Don't. Yeah. Please. We all beat Jared, and that's the important thing. I was shut out. I I mean I almost scored some points

until we realized the big flop yeah yeah so it was all around a frustrating game for me also you know Nick was here which also adds to my frustration Nick what are your thoughts on pound of fine you're finishing near the bottom anything else you'd like to say I don't I'm not near the bottom what's's that like, Jared? Well, let's see. You do have 11 points. Cool. Did you say them?

Which is probably not. Thomas had 17. Matt was in second with 14. Nick took third with 11. And Adam was in last with 10. No, Adam was not in last. What do you mean? Jared was in last. Jared was in last. I'm just the moderator

if you can win you can lose well I didn't even play how can you lose not having played I don't understand your logic you're illogical Matt what do you think? do you like this game? I like it how it has words in it and then you have to make up the definition of the words and then you have to guess

what each other's ones are and if you get it right you get two points and if you have to make up the definition of the words and then you have to guess what each other's ones are and if you get it right you get you get two points and if you know if you're fooled by someone are you just showing me how i should have explained it at the beginning that's the bit i like about it i also like the mistake that was probably the most exciting bit of the podcast when you made that mistake i liked how nobody believed me at first. Thomas had this dumbfounded look on his face. No, seriously, I really did mess it up. I like how it naturally just brings in the AI element so that we don't have to talk about it or reluctantly talk about it.

It's just there. Just part of our lives now. Embrace it, is that what you're saying? Well, speaking of AI, round number eight. My definition. I mean, that was gold, right? AI. Oh, gosh. Round number eight. My definition. I mean, that was gold, right? That was a good one. That was good.

Yeah. You did a good job of actually sounding like it. Read it again, Jared. Go ahead. Read it again? You want me to read it again? Just for fun. Well, this was the how do you do fellow humans round in which Adam wrote,

To create a word like this, you can use a dictionary to find a word related to STEM. I have selected singularity, which has several concepts depending on the context. I've chosen to use the definition based on gravity becoming infinite. Inside a singularity lies the infinite point, a place in space time, where all points are compressed to a single point.

It's a singularity. Honestly, I should get like at least seven bonus points. At least seven. He's trying to negotiate a win here. Thomas already did his plug. We can't negotiate a win for you. You can edit it out, and then, Adam, do you have a podcast you want to plug?

There's a show out there I think that's pretty awesome, and it's called Oxide and Friends. I was just on it. Oxide and Friends. I think it's coming out this week or next week i'm not sure when we were talking about uh silicon valley oh gosh a lot that's that's not surprising okay hard pass hard pass there was a little bit of love for you sprinkling there jerry you might want to listen can you get me a transcript i didn't run the show though so i couldn't control the topic. Of course. Well, when Brian came on, he talked about Silicon Valley.

Well, of course. Yeah, but I didn't let him talk too much about it. Purposefully. I didn't go deep. I could have gone further in, but I didn't. Is Jessie on that show? Jessie Frizzell? She's one of the Oxide founders, right?

It was Adam Leventhal and Brian Cantrell. Jessie was a consultant on Silicon Valley. Oh, Jessie Frizzell. Is that right? She right she was yeah that sounds right that was discussed in the show that's awesome wow i mean genuinely it was on when we were in a startup incubator in sunny sunny vale in california and it was too real that we genuinely couldn't watch it you know when it i hear people like to say about the office they're like oh i couldn't watch it because it's so cringy but i'm like grow up but this genuinely like i couldn't i couldn't do it

it was like the same the same things were happening but they were happy it was going better in silicon valley i think when it's going better in a comedy show than it is in real life you're gonna have to take a step back and reevaluate well lots lots were skipped in there yeah but we talked about other things too but that was a lot of it i would say probably 50 maybe 40 but only because it kept going back there and it wasn't always me i promise and they want to borrow the ding for the show oh they can borrow the ding they love the ding yeah the ding works well the thing is dingos work well and maybe even the spoiler horn, too, because I spoiled a couple things.

Nuclei. Nuclei. The center of your issues. I would say Nick wrote some good definitions, even though he finished near the bottom. I'll just keep reminding them that. The nuclei definition was good. And the last one was spectacular. The monster.

The horror. It started with CH, and I was thinking of Cthulhu yeah good thought good thoughts good times very thoughtful answer all around I think this is a solid round solid cast the game changes so fundamentally depending on who's

playing you get different play styles you get people who want to go for the funny ones yeah Matt played it straighter than I thought he would. He had the real good one with the banana, but beyond that, it was pretty straight. I was coming to just be an absolute... I tried to bring the banana back.

And I did all right earlier. You were trying to be an idiot? And I thought, I've got a chance here. Yeah, so I got up. Just keep going. Just couldn't keep it up. Foolish. But no, it was very fun.

With a tonic as a taste that remains in your mouth after eating apples and bananas. I think honestly all of them were very good definitions. They were all... It was hard. It's got to be tough. Sitting over here with the actual answers, for me it's always easier because I'm just staring at the right stuff. Easier for you, doesn't it, Jared?

How so? Yeah, I guess having the answers. Oh yeah, I suppose if you've got... Oh, I see. So if you've got the answers... That's why I'm just staring at the right stuff. Easy for you, does it, Jared? How so? Yeah, I guess having the answers. Oh, yeah, I suppose if you've got. Oh, I see. So if you've got the answers. That's why I'm not playing. I mean, I can't play. I know all the answers.

You should have at least scored better then. Or at least if not. I almost scored some points. All right, let's somehow land the helicopter. The last thing we have to do is say, if you like Pound to Find let us know we'd love to hear from you we can play future games you can submit your own words I had a few listeners submit words they just didn't quite

cut the muster you know you gotta they gotta be great they gotta be amazing also Graviton not great three of you knew what it was so even I didn't cut the muster on that one we don't have physics masters that's true so no cheating no it which actually means that i kind of wasted my time i i got a i got a year and a half that i kind of just never getting

back we should get we should each just get a master's now probably because like an honorary that's true, too. I can send you guys one. Once you have one, you can just copy and make a new one. Just copy and paste that thing. A physics master's degree, yeah. Go ahead. There are other Pound Defying Game shows in our feed.

This is our third time playing this particular game. If you want us to play it more, let us know. If you like other games, we have Gopher's Say. We have Front End Feud, we have Genius Danger. Those are also in the feed. They also can be found under the topic games on our website, changelog.com slash topics slash games.

There you'll find every game show we've ever played for your listening pleasure. Alright, that's all for now. I guess all we have to do now is say bye, friends. Bye, friends. Bye, friends. Friends.

Hashtag hash define. Hashtag bye. Well, that was a crazy game of Pound Define. No, not hash define, Matt. I tell you, the gall of that guy to come on our show and try to rename our game. I kid. Of course,

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