The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source - It's a peccadillo circus (Friends)

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Mat Ryer is back! He plays the piano, we tell each other truths/lies, we pay homage to the 8" floppy disk, Mat accepts an open source medal, and so much more. It's a real circus. MatGPT!

Welcome to Changelog and Friends, a weekly talk show about trailer spoilers. Thanks, as always, to our partners at Fly. Over 3 million apps have launched on Fly, the public cloud built for developers who ship. That's us, and that's you. Learn more at fly.io. Okay, let's talk. Well, before the show, I'm here with Jasmine Cassis from Sentry. Jasmine, I know that session replay is one of those features that just once you use it, it becomes the way.

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To me, it really does seem like the killer feature for Sentry. Absolutely. That's a sentiment shared by a lot of our customers. And we've even doubled down on that workflow because today, if you just get a link to an issue alert in Sentry, an issue alert, for example, in Slack or whatever integration that you use, as soon as you open that issue alert, we've embedded the replay video at the time of the error. So then it just becomes part of the troubleshooting process. It's no longer an add-on. It's just one of the steps that you do. Just like you would review a stack trace, our users would just also review the replay video. It's embedded right there on the issues page. Okay. Sentry is always shipping,

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Change Logging Friends It's your favorite ever show Well, Matt is back But with no guitar No, no I thought I'd switch things up a little bit And what I've done is I've brought my piano look

love it i didn't know actually i did know that you played piano because i think you sent me a few piano tunes in throughout the days but i kind of forgot i know. I'm better on the piano than that. I can't really play the guitar. Oh, you fooled us. Yeah, I just learned some tricks. You don't need to learn how to play. It's like coding. You don't have to learn how to code. You just have to learn a few tricks.

That's right. You have to trick the interviewer so you know how to code. I've been an imposter for a very long, very long time. Right. You can't code, but you can leak code. You know, that's all you need. Yes. I mean, genuinely, though,

we are seeing an uptick of people using ChatGPT in interviews. Oh, really? Yeah. What do you do? Like, what's your stance on that? Would you allow that or no? That's a good question because to a certain extent, it's like, well, I want to know how much you know about this craft,

but also I want to know what you can do. And let's be honest, if you're going to be doing, you're going to be using some assistance. Yeah. And so why not just use the assistance while you're doing the interview? I guess I would leave it up to the interviewer. What would you do, Matt? Well, I'm with you. I think they are part of the tool chain that we have.

So use it. I mean, are we really interviewing people to find out what they know in their brain now or what they can do, like what they're able to produce? Yeah, I think it depends on what you want. He just repeated exactly what you said, Jared. He did. He made me feel smart by just saying it back to me. Is that a trick of yours? Well, I say it in a British accent. That's what makes it sound smart. He makes it sound even better. It's like he one-ups me by just saying it back to me. Is that a trick of yours? Well, I say it in a British accent. That's what makes it sound smart. He makes it sound even better. It's like he one-ups me by just saying it back with his accent.

Not fair, Matt. Not fair. How about this idea? Okay. Okay. We just add a flag to people's column. You know, like, I'm interviewing Matt. Matt is AI-assisted. Cool.

That's it. Right. Just be honest about it. Yeah. I'm actually quite cool with being AI-assisted. Cool. That's it. Right. Just be honest about it. Yeah. I'm actually quite cool with being AI-assisted. I'm not cool with just AI. If you're interviewing an AI,

come on. Come on, meta. You don't want to be replaced. You want to be assisted. Yeah. I mean, I'm a humanist, man. Okay. I feel like you're joining my team over here because i've been saying this for a while yeah assisted is the way to be i'm happy to have you i think ai powered you know like i think human plus ai equals better but ai plus ai

equals disaster for now you gotta say for now you gotta say for now some people are avoiding using ai ethically because they're not happy with the copyright that was all right um so they're sort of opting out of it from an ethical point of view and they really are kind of giving themselves a disadvantage you know so all credit to them for it really for that but yeah if if your mission is to just get stuff done yeah ai assisted i'm in yeah i'm very popular to say that you know well let me if ai or the llm this this chat is the evolution of what we had which compares well to google have you had an issue with people googling things no you have not it's actually expected yeah now right but in the beginning, people did.

They said, you have to do this. You're not allowed to use Google. You've got to do this. And then some places, I think some places still do that. It's like the whiteboard interview. This is interview process only, though, right? You're thinking interview process only? Okay, so if we go past the interview, I'm totally cool with it.

I want to know what your potential is and what resources you can leverage so i think of like two things resourcefulness and resilience right those are double r's right there that's the quintessential pair let's just say it's double r's it's the quintessential pair why did you stop that was getting so good it's just a jingle in case you need it in case that comes up again in case there's another quintessential pair that also starts with r yeah that was a pretty good abstraction actually you didn't say the words so there you go yeah we can reuse it adam think of another couple of r's later okay i'll keep going so i think it was socrates it could be wrong on the details of the individual but there is a very prominent philosopher slash

academic i think it's socrates who was against writing things down publicly he came out and said we shouldn't write this was like the advent of writing perhaps right the two r's yeah writing and writing and he just thought that we would lose our brains like we would stop being able to remember things and i recall when programmable phones were picking up and you no longer had to memorize people's phone numbers and there were some folks who were kind of offended by that because there was a social dynamic to like whose numbers do you have memorized it kind of shows who's important to you in your life and there's certain people like i'm just going to remember your phone number and you know 10 years later they're all off that they're all done yeah it's over with purged why would you want to remember phone numbers if you don't have

to so yeah i feel like some of it's the the more typical just don't move my cheese kind of stuff yeah i get it i get why people it was like it with calculators in in my i remember my cousin wasn't allowed to use a calculator in one of his exams but i was younger and we were allowed to use calculators and he was outraged um i mean it was an english, so it didn't help, but still. Sometimes your jokes don't go down so well. Don't worry, don't worry, it's all right. Just a little one for me there. I like how you console yourself. I was just over here thinking how I just missed a huge opportunity

when I said the two R's, writing and writing. Because there actually were three R's. If you recall, in early education, it was reading, writing, and arithmetic. And that's not even a joke. That's what they called it. I mean, it is a joke, but it's hilarious. And I missed that opportunity. So I'm just recovering that and getting it in there for the record.

Get it in there. I'm going to close the loop, too, for you. So Socrates, you are correct yes it says the philosopher most famously known for being up against writing things down is socrates yes huh i got it through his student plato's writing writings socrates expressed concerns that writing weakens memory and can lead to a false appearance of knowledge rather than true understanding. Yeah. And it goes on to say that he believed that writing was not an effective means of communicating knowledge.

He was saying that from a place of privilege, though. He had Plato to write all this stuff down for him. Come on. Yeah, right? Some of us plebs have to write our own things down. It was about being face-to-face, it seems. As to him, face-to-face communication was the only way one person could transmit knowledge to another. It seems a little one-sided.

Now, see, here's the thing, though, is that world was so much different. Oh, yeah. The amount of things you could know about was so finite compared to now. When did he live? I don't even know. Forever ago. 470 BC. Gosh, so.

I just feel like I asked that question so i could tell you i didn't i actually was typing it in if you predate jesus it's a long time ago right i mean come on it's right yeah but i get this you know um when i when i'm communicating with somebody who is i don't know let's say there might be an idiot. Okay. Present company excluded. No, yeah. Not you. No, no, definitely not. Nobody on the changelog platform, as far as I'm concerned. Fair. Yeah.

And I want to just go on the record saying that. No, but it's kind of a nice clue when you're texting with somebody or talking to them. Like you get clues about what's going on and you sort of lose a bit of that if things are augmented. But we want everyone to be the best version surely and we want everyone to have the best chance. So I've got to come down on the side of that. But yeah, and there's Apple intelligence adverts

that show this one guy and he just like normally would say, yeah, light it up. Yeah, I'm walking here. That kind of character and uh gosh and then apple intelligence changes it to be like oh i believe i was i was traversing the the walkway before your vehicle approach you know changes it into something that sounds i have to interrupt this amazing story due to not paying for software loopback has introduced some noise because we needed to use loopback to combine your piano and your microphone into a single one there's a loopback going on and because because you haven't paid for it which i'm cool with they are not that's the

problem that's oh it's on purpose it's on purpose that's cheeky so i i'm remembering this now adam good job of identifying this this is a a good, it's not shareware. What is it called? It's like trialware moved by them. Destructiveware. Yeah. It's kind of annoying. You can use it, but it will destroy your work.

Maybe right here we can insert one of those a few minutes later and then we come back. A few minutes later. There you go. So we are now back from the noisiness of Loopback and Destructiveware. So you were saying, Matt, what were you saying? Well, first of all, I don't know if Loopback need to be doing that. You know, I get it. A free trial and then you want to pay for it.

But it's a bit cheeky, isn't it? What did it sound like to you? The worst. White noise. Just like really loud white noise. Progressively got louder and louder to the point we couldn't hear you at all i think they should give you like a seven day or a 30 day i mean that was like a 45 minute trial maybe maybe less yeah probably less but we are fans of rogue amoeba software but not necessarily that particular

move they did right there yeah that was not cool and whatever story you were telling matt i'm sure it was hilarious. I don't remember now. I don't either. Yeah. Should we just move on? Yeah. I think we should.

Yeah, let's move on to the good stuff. Here we go. Let's tell each other some lies. Oh, gosh. I've got a lot for you. You want to do these? Now, let's explain what we're doing here, Matt. Matt, this was your idea.

It's similar to a game I play on JS Party called Head Lies, where I do a similar thing, except for it's just one person. So I'm very excited because I've never actually gotten to participate. I've always been just the host. And today, I'm a participant. So take us away, Matt. This was your idea. What are we going to do?

So we've got two truths and one lie. And these are tech headlines. Right. So we have to say the three, and then you've got to be able to figure out which is the lie and which ones are the truths so each of us has brought three and we'll each go in turn telling all three and then the other two people have to try to detect the lie you want want to go first? You're the guest. Be our guest. AI has created new proteins that didn't exist before.

That's number one. That's number one? Yeah. Number two, there's a train in China has broken the sound barrier. A train in China has broken. These are headlines? These seem like summaries well that's what headline is i know right now sometimes okay my version of this is not the same

what news what news what's preferred news outlet i'll try and adapt it to the bbc obviously yeah okay okay keep going and then number three um ai has actually created a new color. Again, that was a summary, not a... Okay. So AI has created new proteins. New protein. There's a super fast train. AI has created a new color.

Brand new color that's never been thought of before. Okay. And then the train one, I think that one's true. It's going faster than the speed of sound. That is not that hard. There's cars that have done it. It's going faster than the speed of sound. That is not that hard. There's cars that have done it. It's quite fast, though. I mean, a train doing that is significant, but, you know, it's China.

How fast is the sound barrier? Mach, what, 410? Sounds like a question for a robot, not a human. I think it's about 700 miles an hour from memory, but it could be... Maybe cars haven't done it planes have done it not 770 approximately yeah i take that back i don't think a car has ever done that one two three nine kilometers per hour that's cool quite fast maybe those cars out in the desert where they're just like yeah i think they have broken it i'm just waffling back and forth yeah

the rocket car yeah yeah i think they have okay so airplanes definitely break it then but has a train in china broken it probably i think they would figure that out yeah could be okay so i'm going with ai has created a new color i think that's impossible you just all the colors exist all you gotta do is get the right hex code hex codes aren't the be all and end all of color jared just well for me they kind of are oh you're in more of an hsl guy hey did you know that yellow that you look at on a screen is a lie it's not the same as yellow if you're looking at a yellow flower that's why i'm picking that one as a lie yeah i just i don't trust colors adam what are you thinking man i'm still just

thinking about these trains breaking the sound maybe they haven't be loud wouldn't it imagine waiting for a train and that one zooms past and bursts your ears that's the one i think is a lie i think that's the lie one you think the train one's a lie yeah i think the train one's a lie so you and i both agree that ai created new protein sounds like something that they would be doing with it. Totally plausible, yeah. What about AI created a new color? Totally plausible. How so?

Don't all colors exist and they just need to be hex coded? Just need to be discovered. Yeah, I think it's a discovery thing. I mean, invent and discovers. He did say invent. Oh, okay. Well. Yeah, but I gave a summary, not a headline.

Clearly you didn't give a headline the train is a lie all right so adam's going with train i'm going with color matt uh is there some sort of like a prelude song that you'd play on the way up to this yeah probably i would have thought so have you ever considered a super fast train how about one that'll blow your ears out and destroy your brain yeah super loud baby loud that one was true yes congratulations that one was true i'm afraid of a blooming thing as as jared said the colors all exist yes so we can't be that one adam looks pissed but he's fine love it congratulations I will concede that it's more plausible for the train to have broken the sound barrier than it would be to invent a new color however I thought I had some prior knowledge

to the Shinkansen which is the most famous bullet train and I knew it's max speed because my son was such a fan of trains when he was growing up like 3, 4, like, three, four, five. Still is a fan. But we actually, like, studied high-speed trains for a while. They're just, like, just for fun, you know?

Yeah. At, like, a four-year-old level, not, like, an academic level. And none of them had broken the sound barrier. No, none of them did, and they were all in, like, the 400 range. So 700 and something is quite faster than 400, obviously. And, like, imagine a train, like, here's the thing with this speed train that you got to think about. It's like you have to consider so much further in the distance the dangers that are there, right? If you've got passengers on these trains, that's the whole point of them. They're passenger trains.

And you go from here to there really, really fast. It's like the time to break or the time to stop is so much distance that you have to have like the proper real way to have this distance and stuff. I just thought it was like less likely. I thought, well, you know, find a color, pick a color. Plus you won't hear it coming, you know. That's right. No, because it's faster than sound. Yeah, exactly. It beats the sound to you

that's actually i don't believe so i think you would still hear it coming i was just joking i also think you'll hear it but you'll hear it a little bit later than it would arrive delayed yeah delayed they can't hear themselves could you hear yourself going too fast if you're going faster than sound could you hear yourself inside the train the air is not moving that fast i suppose so they'd be fine but yeah if you were just traveling that fast there's weird physics around that right like you know if you're in a moving vehicle and you throw a baseball up in the air and you can catch it but then if you throw it out of it then it's still travel i don't know how it works but like you start to break your brain thinking about that wind resistance there

friction elsewhere there's inertia there's wind resistance, there's lots of things going on. Yeah, because the ball is traveling at that speed as well, relative to you. Right, its starting place is already that speed. Yeah, it's already going dead fast. But you don't notice it. Much like us, we're like turning around on this globe

at like how many miles per hour? We have no idea. Yeah. Seven, I think it was seven miles per hour we're traveling around the world oh that's not that fast oh one day per hour no one hour per hour oh yeah finally i landed on something closely correlated and true okay i have my two truths and a lie okay and let's see if you all can guess which one is the lie number one now these are going to read more like headlines because you know i follow directions around here um but that's

neither here nor there number one as tiktok ban looms meta is sponsoring tiktok posts that encourage u.s users to migrate to instagram that's number Number two, developer fires entire team for AI now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn. Number three, Miyamoto's son, this is Nintendo's Miyamoto, Miyamoto's son was so bad at Super Mario 64 that he questioned his parenting. There you have it, Two truths and one lie. What are you guys thinking? That first one sounded long for a headline, but again...

Oh, now you're judging mine after those summaries you provided? Oh my gosh. Well, you know headlines have skewed more conversational in the last five years. I think I know the answer to this, but Adam, what do you think? Can I hear them again, please?

As TikTok ban looms, Meta is sponsoring TikTok posts that encourage US users to migrate to Instagram. Number two, developer fires entire team for AI now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn. Number three, Miyamoto's son was so bad at Super Mario 64, he questioned his parenting. Man, they're all terrible.

They're all terrible. Yeah, but which one is not true? Two of those are true, by the way. Two of those are true. I'm thinking the last one's not true. Miyamoto's son. Yeah. I don't know why.

Okay. I can't give any more credence to AI here in this podcast so far. Although, we'll see. Yeah, I'm going to go with that one though, the AI one, because I can't say AI, but what I can do is spot when Jared's being a cheeky monkey. I think it's a joke. It's quite funny that someone would fire all their team and then...

Do they use AI to search LinkedIn for for people though at least probably well you could read the rest of the article on techgig.com oh it's real because i got that headline from techgig.com that is a true headline you are both well sorry oh no i foreshadowed You are both incorrect. It's not Miyamoto's son. It's not LinkedIn. The lie is as TikTok ban looms, Meta is sponsoring TikTok posts that encourage US users to migrate to Instagram. I made that up. Well, I think that could easily be true, right? Right.

Actually, it's kind of a good idea. Yeah, or if TikTok would let them. Maybe they are doing it, but no one wrote the headline yeah anyways i feel bad for you guys it's more done yeah like i just hoodwinked you yeah sorry that's the game though adam looks doubly mad i'm just angry about most things you know but that's the game jared don't feel bad do you feel bad in monopoly when you like taking money off your kids honestly matt when i tell people i feel bad when i'm beating them in a game it's i'm not really feeling bad i just say that because i just feel like it's the appropriate thing oh that's sweet so that's a lie then i vote that one finally he gets one right okay adam why don't you do your

turn and share with us some some truths and lies I'm bringing one close to home, really. Okay. That goes back to Matt's world in a way. I've got three headlines. Uh-huh. Two that are true and then one that's false. Oh, that's interesting. What have you done last?

Just so you're aware. Okay. Okay. Which order should I read them in? Should I read the true ones first or the false one first? Read the false one first. You have to mix it up. Okay.

Here we go. If you read the false one first, I'm sure to get it. This is the false one, just so you know. U.S. nuclear arsenal relied on 8-inch floppy disks until 2019. Oh. Number two, scientists used slime molds to help design Tokyo's rail system. Number three, Raspberry Pi is due to announce an SBC-style GPU to compete

with NVIDIA. Okay. Okay. So, can you say the other the middle one again slime mold yes scientists used slime molds to help design tokyo's rail system i don't know what one of them is i don't either i'm not sure what slime molds are like uh like slime from ghostbusters slime slimer yeah what you think they got him in to help consult? I got headlines only. I got no context here, okay? These are headlines only.

I'm just trying to figure out if it's real or not. You know, if it's Ghostbusters based, I'm going to assume it's a lie. It's like, sorry we're late on the project, but hiring Slimer was a big mistake. The office is an absolute state and he's contributed nothing. I won't tell you this, but I'll give you the details later. You're going to love this. I got more context. Oh, he's going to give us details later.

So that one, he's got an actual article. I've ruled it out. That's true. Which one's true? The slime molds. Okay. Because you just said you have an article on it. No, I didn't say on that one.

I was saying another one. It was a whole different one. You just changed the subject and then told us you had information i was thinking about something different i was contextually somewhere else you know okay what was the first one again gosh which okay yes uh u.s united states u.s nuclear arsenal you know where the united states is too right jared you know what's that the u.s okay matt do you know where it's at yeah but i thought you were just saying us because you're from that just us us okay us nuclear arsenal relied on it is it is bad that you call your country us here we go oh it's like ai well that's kind of appropriate isn't it i mean us nuclear arsenal relied on eight inch floppy disks until 2019 eight inch floppy disks those are the big ones

yeah yes not even the save icon, is it, that? No, no, no. In fact... That won't work for you. You know, how far does the 8-inch go back? Because I remember floppies, but I never used an 8-inch. It was always a 3.5-inch. I have handled an 8-inch one.

I have had one in my hand, and they are floppy. This is where the name floppy disk they this is why they were where the name floppy disc came from because i understood from the three and a half inch ones they weren't floppy they were rock hard because they were plastic as a plastic hard i suppose they weren't made of rocks but the uh the the actual bigger the bigger ones the eight inch ones i think they're eight inch they were actually floppy actually no i'm thinking five and a half i don't think i've seen eight either i mean it's a big old disc yeah yeah it's big you do some damage with that i wonder what capacity and how much you could get probably less than the five and a half and three and a half probably hope so no i don't

know because it was that direction of travel wasn't it that's true but i think they got better at density or something. Smaller storage space over time. I could easily be using it for some reason in an old antiquated nuclear something. For the viewing audience, Jason, displace this

and we'll see. This is a visual. Audio audience only, I'm sorry. Just imagine what 8 inch, 5.25 and 3. Audio audience only. I'm sorry. Just imagine what 8 inch, 5 1⁄4, and 3 1⁄2 looks like. I'm screen sharing with our friends here, Jared and Matt, as you know. My friends, our friends. Hello. And on the left, you have the 8 inch. In the middle

you have the 5 1⁄4, I believe. Is it? 5 1⁄4, yeah. I was saying it 5 inch. It's got the quarter in there. Yeah. And then the 3 1⁄2 down at the very far right. And I think you're correct, Matt, saying that that one is uh more of a plastic hard i think you said plastic card that's the three and a half yeah he said rock hard rock hard well compared i've had the middle one the the five and a thingy five and a quarter and they were just very floppy difficult to digest yeah us nuclear arsenal relied on eight inch floppy disk the oneult to digest. Yeah. Us, nuclear arsenal relied on 8-inch floppy disks.

The one on the far left. I think that's false. I think you made that up. I mean, 8-inch, but it's a nuclear arsenal. Not a nuclear power plant, but arsenal, like actually firing nukes. They have these antiquated systems, though, don't they? And they don't change them. This is a tough one.

What was your third one again? Raspberry Pi, soon to announce SBC-style GPU to compete with NVIDIA. Now, what's an SBC-style GPU? Single-bore computer. Okay. A single-what computer? Yeah, you know, the SBC is, like, super cool because, like, you have this tiny little thing, and it's a single-bore computer. And so they're going to compete with NVIDIA, like, you're going to be doing inference on these things or something?

I mean, I can speculate some if you'd like. I think what I would say is like it's probably going to pair up with like the Raspberry Pi type thing because the Raspberry Pi doesn't, it has GPU in it. It's like not super amazing, you know, and does some stuff. You can do a media center on it, but not, you probably can't transcode 4K very well, or at least multiple streams. So I think those things have become popular. And so my guess, if this is true, of course, is that this SBCs.gpu will pair up with a Pi to give you, you know, more GPU in this fanatic way of doing smaller computers basically versus let's just say the most recent the rtx

50 or whatever like 5090 or 5090 or whatever they just released like that thing is huge it's got three fans in it like who wants that you want a gpu that's smaller sbc style i'm not trying to overly sell this or anything but i'm just saying saying, you know, like, this could be a truth. Oh, yeah, it could be. Yeah, exactly. It could be a truth. Yeah. It's not.

It could be true. I think it's not. I think that's what I'm going to pick as the lie, the Raspberry Pi lie. That's what you're choosing as the lie? Yeah. Okay, tell me why. Well, I can believe the US having some old systems and, you know, still happens to need big, big old disk. Mm-hmm.

The, I don't know the point of raspberry pi is all very low tech lo-fi stuff they do have some bigger bits but sure i don't know yeah maybe they're trying to diversify uh and you think what is the what's the lie for you jared well i wrote off the slime molds because i think you were looking at the article or talking about it which means i didn't think about it very critically but i'm still thinking that that's true okay the raspberry pie story is exactly the kind of story that you would make up so i'm leaving i would make up yeah for a game no yeah i mean for yeah not just for in life like Like the guy just... Okay. But I'm not sure where you'd see a report on the U.S. nuclear system and their floppies.

Like to me, that just seems like... Like is that a news? Was that news recently? Well, to go back to our initiative here, we were told by our new friend here. Hello. Obscure tech headlines. These are hello obscure tech headlines these are clearly obscure tech headlines and so i scoured the internet you're saying that was a headline from 2019

well it doesn't matter when it came no they did this until 2019 it doesn't mean that they the the news is new yeah i just don't understand maybe there's like a foia request on the nukes right the documentation on nukes. I can't confirm where I've gotten this information, okay? I just want to applaud you on your ability to put together three pretty good ones. Okay, thank you. Whereas you didn't like mine, and I fooled you utterly. I'm liking yours.

Matt, I feel like you're about to break into some sort of song. Please do. Yeah, not really. Please stall for me Tell me which one's the lie, please It's a mini song Is there more? No, no, no There's another verse

I like this Are you a fan of Mario Kart? Oh, no, sorry, not Mario Kart Mario Party Yeah, yeah. Hang on. I'll just do the second verse. Ready?

Yeah. I said please. That's it. It's not great. Yeah, that was kind of weak. It's not a hit. You know, they're not all hits. That was an album track.

Yeah. Interstitials. You didn't say please, though. I was thinking you'd write us something about 8-inch floppies, but we can definitely move on. I'll save that for later. Which one is the lie? If I metagame this and my goal is to win, I won the first round by guessing Matt's and Adam missing it. I won the second round by fooling both of you.

And so if I merely tie in round three, I've kind of taken it all. So I'm going to go with Matt. I'm going to say the raspberry pie is false. You made that up. It's so plausible though, right? It's really good. Yeah, it's really good.

I actually want that to be true. true why lie about the raspberry pie why don't you tell the truth amen I don't know if you know the rules but you kind of did it good Adam, you did Go Adam You did it good Okay friends, I think you know how much I love Notion But I'm telling you anyways because I love Notion I use it every day

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a very plausible very efficient path what so they use slime molds to help design tokyo's rail system this is true oh to design it see i thought they were So they used slime molds to help design Tokyo's rail system. This is true. Oh, to design it. See, I thought they were building it with slime molds. No one said it. To help design Tokyo's rail system. I know, but I didn't pay close enough attention. That's amazing. I think at a headline level, you'd think that they used the slime mold to mold the train track kind of thing.

That's what I was thinking. I understand that. And then obviously, us nuclear artists will rely on 8-inch floppy disks until 2019. This is a recent headline. Really? And the details behind this is that the Air Force finally modernized systems that ran on ancient hardware around 2019, but not before plenty of raised eyebrows in the tech circles. Because they're using 8-inch floppies now.

Because they're using 8-inch floppy disks. Well, they do now then. They've gone on to normal 3-1⁄4. No, they must have jumped up to 3-1⁄2-inch floppies. Because they're using 8-inch floppy disks. Well, they do now then. They've gone on to normal. 5.25. No, they must have jumped up to 3.5-inch. Yeah. And then, you know, honestly, I just was like, I like Raspberry Pis.

They're cool. NVIDIA and GPUs are all the rage. And I just heard a headline, basically, if you're a CPU maker, you're getting into if you're if you're a cpu maker you're getting into gpu making if you're a gpu maker you're getting the cpu making nvidia has cpus coming out and uh intel has gpus coming out so like they're flip-flopping right so what's the other thing out there that's maybe going to do this raspberry pi and an sbc style gpu that attaches to these other smaller things

would be totally cool. Yeah, it would be cool. If they do it within a year, should we come back and take Jared's points off him then? Yeah, I think so. I'll concede those points. Well, they're going to hear this, right? They're going to hear this.

Right, this is pretty much like market research for them. We should totally be doing this. Let's get rid of these 8-in-floppy disks that we were thinking about yeah and let's do these sbcs.gpus yeah that's good i think we should take a moment to mourn that 8-inch floppy oh it's happened it's happened 8-inch floppy disk it's happened try it again it's a family show Matt

normally everyone has to be told that floppy disk manufacturer you know that company that had the contract forever that they could just keep selling their floppy disks to the government at some astronomical price.

You know, after probably 40 years of that one big contract, they finally had to stop printing money and get a real job. How many, what's the N plus on the floppy disks do you think they had? N plus? Yeah, like how many in reserve do you think they had to have to ensure the us arsenal the us nuclear arsenal was you know safe how many floppy disks well they probably didn't think they were going to need it until recent events and then they're like you know we actually should make sure this stuff works let's get it let's get 100 behind this n plus 100 you know yeah we got the one in the drive we're safe and we got 99 others sitting over there waiting just in case i wonder what's on the disc then like a code you think or like a gpc

like a like a key like a gpg key or something like that gotta be isn't it not gonna be like source code for the missiles or something let Yeah, let's speculate this system. What could it actually do? Yeah. If it ran on this hardware, is it running? Is the program, is it like a USB version of a software that runs on the USB, but instead it runs on the floppy? Well, it used to boot off of a floppy,

so maybe it's actually like the boots into memory? Right. It boots into memory and then runs off the memory. All right. So this floppy gets put in. The program is accessible. It boots into memory. Boom goes the arsenal.

Yeah. Nuclear arsenal. Yeah. Probably that. So the 8-inch floppy originally stored 80 kilobytes in 1971. And then it went up to 256. Eventually maxing out at 1.2 megabytes the five and a quarter introduced in 1976 single-sided single density 160k and then they figured out double density 360k eventually they did a double-sided double density 720k

and then double-sided high density 1.2 megabytes so they finally made their way back up to the eight inch maybe this is why the u.s. nuclears are just like we're cool with the eight inch man three and a half inch introduced in 1980 started at 720k double-sided high density 1.44 that's the most common And then extra high density, 2.88 megabytes. This is making me think of a museum. Is there a place in the world where there's like a technology museum that isn't somebody's random basement or some weird- Absolutely there is.

There is? Yeah, we were there. I'm not sure if we were there in the building together, Adam, but I've been there. It's in the valley. In San Diego, right? I mean, San Jose. Yeah, it's called the Computer History Museum. Is that what it's called?

It's really cool. I thought we were there together, Adam. Maybe I was there with somebody. Were we there together? Maybe we were. I think we were. It must be ancient history then. Well, there is no ancient computer history because computers aren't ancient.

We haven't been to San Francisco together, I would say, in about eight years. It feels like. At least six. Yeah, if you go to computerhistory.org. Yes, the computer history. They have actually a pretty cool Instagram as well that I've checked out where they still post stuff regularly. And they have new stuff coming in. I'm trying to find the actual address of the place to

confirm. You're saying it's in San Diego? It's in Mountain View. I think we were there together, Adam. Mountain View, California. I didn't know I'd been to Mountain View. Was that when we were out to see user testing, maybe? Yeah, that might be right. My brain was a little scattered. We were doing something brand new

with high stakes. What weed? Totally. That's what i can't remember he said high stakes oh wait that still works oh yeah it's just a steakhouse oh wait that's like the dispensary yeah high stakes is where you go afterwards yeah uh yeah i did have some other raspberry pie lies okay let's hear them do we need a theme tune for Raspberry Pi Lies? Raspberry Pi Lies writes itself. It does, doesn't it, really? Let's see if it does. What key should it be in?

You pick a key, any key. A P. It should be in P. Oh, that's not one. How about A minor? Yeah. That's A minor. what do you think Adam? Higher or lower?

Higher always as you know He likes high stakes I want my Raspberry Pi Lies baby Feed them to me I wanna think that they're making gpus are gonna sell themselves to china tell me where we're gonna be in a thousand years time but tell me through raspberry pie lies well they weren't really full-on lies they were more like directions that I didn't flesh out.

So I was thinking... They're more like directions that I was fleshing out. So I was thinking... I was thinking drones, like a Pico drone. Like make your own drone from a pie. Uh-huh. Like a Pico drone. make your own drone from a pie uh-huh like a pico drone yeah i want that and then i was thinking like like something solar because i was like well you know these

things are so small you want them to be in obscure places yeah like what if i wanted a switch like a wrt switch that's running open source stuff that's not like power accessible i have a battery maybe or like a power pack what if it was solar power powered you know so i was thinking like something solar that direction yeah that's about it i'd have gone for the u.s military discs if you'd said either of those two that's true then i was thinking about gpu that's in the headlines now it's ces uh recent so there you go well the challenge with solar is you need so much surface area well if it's small though like let's say if it's sub five watts which is what it would probably be like probably sub two watts it's just a switch and maybe wi-fi how much surface area do you need for that probably not much i mean the size of a pie probably pie solar could you imagine this pie

solar raspberry pie if you're not listening to this podcast for ideas should be yeah you should be yeah i mean here we go i like the drone idea i kind of want a phone case that's got that on it so i can if i do find i've lost my phone around the flat i can press a button on my watch yeah and it just flies to me. Yeah, that'd be cool. I mean, it might slice some people on the way. Well, there's some really small drones out there. So back, I want to say about six or so years ago, maybe seven years ago, I got into like the early days of drones, right?

They were expensive. They still kind of are expensive now. But there was these really small ones you could buy on amazon and they're like tiny like little toy things so i think that'd be kind of cool to build a drone from a pie but you probably can do that already you know all you need is a case and a compute and then i suppose servos and stuff like that to do the motors yeah i just need a good old fast fan yeah yeah one fan go up i see you what's next is this show just based on truths and lies is there more well we finished haven't we yeah i won is this a show did you jerry do you wonder

didn't you i would say that uh i should get some points too because you know i you know i let you in yeah all right you can have some of that's points yeah i mean i don't he's not gonna use them i can't spend them in this country the exchange rate is terrible for points on game shows that's why i don't you don't get many brits appearing on american shows yeah we should have prizes and then just give them to me at the end. Yeah, if you win. What could we give as a prize? Well, I tell you what, Jared, you can master this episode.

How about that? Oh. There you go. That's nice. That'd be fun. I can do that. It'd be fun. Maybe I'll put him some applause and congratulations sounds.

Maybe like that confetti, like the poosh. You know that one yeah we should reach out to loop back though and rogamiba to see if they want to sponsor the show they should we should have an episode that's just white noise until the check clears that's right this show brought to you by rogamiba brought to you you by... It's a shame it's that sound. It could have been a lovely little ditty or a Snoop Dogg track. I'll tell you what. Licensing fees, you know.

I do think it'd be kind of cool to augment whatever's being done. And if you were speaking, now you're not Matt, now you're Snoop Dogg, like you said. Or they could do the Charlie Brown parent thing. Like you just start... That would actually be pretty cool. that'd actually be kind of funny yeah good marketing because you could probably use it you know like an unintended consequence like next thing you know like right

or bad marketing because people won't upgrade they're just like i want the charlie brown sound that's right so good and where'd you get that well this free trial of rogamiba software called loopback just go get it it's's free. That'd be cool. That's good marketing. More ideas for these people. Holy moly. I know. Well, you're an idea guy.

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was just to throw some flowers at Matt, in addition to your amazing piano skills. I hear you recently won an award yourself, didn't you? I did, yeah. Can you tell us about this? Is this true or is it a lie? No, this is true. I couldn't believe it.

I was going to have you tell the story and have Adam guess, but you've already ruined it. Is this true? Well, I've said it's true. I mean, if I was lying, that is what I would say, to be fair. That is true. If I have ruined it, it is well i've said it's true i mean if i was lying that is what i would say to be fair that is true if i have ruined it it is true yeah it's completely ruined go ahead tell us a story this is like uh no this was the open uk uh which is an organization that uh works and celebrates um open source software and i think because of um a little package i wrote with a friend of mine called Testify,

you may have heard of it. Have you heard of it, Adam? I do declare. It's a version of testifying. That is declaring, testifying. So it's voided the answer. Cool. Well, you know, I've heard of it, Matt.

Have you? Well, from you on GoTime. Yeah. I don't stop banging on about it, to be honest. Yeah, you just won't shut up about it yeah actually well i found out from jonathan amsterdam from the the go team at google it's the most imported package go package in the world by about three times or something wow so it's like an assertion package that helps you you know assert equal write some tests yeah helps with

your testing doesn't go have that stuff built in well it deliberately doesn't and what you what you're told to do really by the go team is to write native go code and that's your test and there's nothing new for someone to learn you don't want to do that well i just wasn't used to it um and i was used to these assertion library and it you know turns out i mean it's the you know it's the third most imported go oh it's the most imported go package by three times or whatever. Turns out, I think people want that. But there's a weird little rub around when you pass variables into methods.

In certain cases, it can change. And so you don't really want that happening if you're in your test suite stuff. Is that called shadowing or something like this? I don't know, honestly. Okay. It's like a Go Pic don't know, honestly. Okay. It's like a Go Piccadilly, or is this like a programming thing? It's a Go-specific Piccadilly.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did I use that word right? I have no idea. I doubt it. Probably not. I've been using words wrong all day.

Yeah, maybe you meant Piccadilly, which is a kind of perhaps yellow sauce it's not that easy but it's real yellow and not computer fake computer yellow unless you're seeing it on the computer yeah i can't you can't be trusted any longer you've been telling these you can't trust yellow no no i'm just googling piccadilly see if it's a real thing it's a place in in london there's an area oh that's right it's like a square yeah isn't it a square no it's a circus what's a. It's like a square. Yeah. Isn't it a square? No, it's a circus. What's a circus? A circus is where the elephants are.

Yeah. So there's a circus in London called Piccadilly. Piccadilly. And this is where elephants stand on their two heels and then lions jump through. Yeah. It's a very popular tourist attraction. Is it a circle? I think it's not really like much of a circle,

but it probably was originally. Okay. Is that what a circus is, a circle? I've only put that together talking to you now. I mean, I'll just say the U.S. audience here, we don't know what a circus is unless it's Barnum and Bailey's. That's the best circus in the world. That's right.

So you're not doing a very good job of explaining why Piccadilly is a circus. No, I can't help it. You also call it a place. A place. So we're very confused. Adam, are you confused? I'm also confused, but something else. So I'm at this, tell me if you know this URL, okay?

GitHub.com. I do. Yep, yep, I've heard of it. Slash. Oh, hold on. Strictor. Say what? Nearly. github.com i do yep yep i've heard slash oh hold on strector say what nearly does that ring a bell to you matt stretcher stretcher oh is this uh testify yeah that's the uh the company that we there's a startup that we had when we made testify so we put it in the company name not my own personal name uh now i'd be world famous had i

you already are you won an open source award oh yeah i forgot i didn't finish telling you that i got a medal they sent me a medal what color was it uh golden oh gold that's that's first place gold first yeah i think everyone gets that though it wasn't like a race but there you go so yeah it was the open uk honors new year's honors list and genuinely it's quite nice to get that normally i don't win things like that but quite honored to get it really what do you think is that stretcher.com spelled this funny way s-t-r-e-t-c-h-r.com what do you think is there well i know that we let the domain expire and someone else got it so yeah that's why i was confused i think what do these folks have to do

with testify for go because it's a it's a stretching company like you go there and you get stretched what's that so i was thinking like matt what is going on with your software? What did you write this for to be stretched? Well, originally this was like a MongoDB style API. So for web and app developers, you'd be able to just start posting data to RESTful endpoints. They didn't have to exist and it would create the Rful uh you know the data it would just persist it and then when you get it and get the list it would all just work so that was the idea for app for make development quicker and gives you like a back end um so kind of like a schemaless data store thing and the idea was describing what your idea was not this stretching idea they've got

yeah i see you've said it sounds like they're going to stretch you like yeah they're they're doing something different altogether does it but we i need to make sure that that domain name is not on the project it is that's how i found it it's on the github organization i'm gonna go and change that yeah i would definitely change that because that's confusing i don't think anybody cares yeah i guess actually three times as many other folks who download or install any packages or whatever you call them in their Go programs and software care. But they're not on your org looking at what URL goes back to the source for Stretcher. No, but it is a concern. And I checked the emails to make sure that there were no emails that were, you know.

I would do this, though. I would first email these folks at the new Stretcher. And I will let them know that you've been promoting their stuff for a few years now. And that there's royalties to be paid. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'd let them know that first prior to doing it. And take a screenshot and share that with them. And then say, I've since stopped, but you owe me back pay.

Maybe I could take that payment in stretches so they could just come and just... Yeah, that's right. I'm willing to barter. I could use a stretch. Or a body stretch. Can I close the loop on Piccadillos? Please do.

Have you guys ever seen the movie goodwill hunting uh yeah at least once so robin williams character sean tells will this story about how his wife farts in her sleep oh yeah she farts and will cracks up about it it's he she sometimes she farts so loud she woke herself up all right yeah yeah i've done that and they're laughing about it and sean says uh that's the stuff that i remember because she's died she's dead right right and that's not a spoiler because that's like the start of the plot so trailer spoiler can you have a trailer spoiler it's probably in the trailer trailer spoiler okay and he and he says know, that's the stuff I remember. You know, the fact that she farted in her sleep, which is funny. And he says,

Little things like that. Yeah, but those are the things I miss the most. The little idiosyncrasies that only I knew about. That's what made her my wife. Boy, and she had the goods on me, too. She knew all my little peccadillos. And he goes on from there. He's referring to idiosyncrasies, and he uses the goods on me, too. She knew all my little peccadillos. And he goes on from there. He's referring to idiosyncrasies, and he uses the word peccadillos,

and I just assumed that that was a word, but I can't find that word anywhere else except for when Robin Williams said it, as you two were talking about stretching or something. I'm not sure what you guys were talking about. How would you spell that in your version of it, Jared? Well, I spelled it like piccillo square or sorry circus or circle and that was wrong but according to this website here called wiki quote is spelled p-e-c-c-a-d-i-l-l-o-s you sort of know what it means even though it's not a word you totally know what it means

actually it is a word i was probably just spelling it wrong all right a small sin or a fault a slight trespass or offense a petty crime a trifling fault so that's what i was talking about with go you know it was like this little sin of go right shadowing variables and stuff come on and not having built-in test assertions yeah well the go team actually test, Testify is banned at Google. I can exclusively review it. And you don't use it anymore. I know that. Yeah, I do use it

because there's lots of projects that use it. But not in new stuff. Yeah, I don't. Because I just have a smaller version, which is on my own GitHub, just called is. And it's just like three or four methods. Testify has so much power in it

it's one of those things where if you're a pro user and you're doing a lot of testing testifies for you and it's super popular so probably a bunch of people came by and added their own little peccadillos yeah and they fixed it so now there's armadillos in it all kinds of dillos yeah um yeah so Delos. We did have the policy. We had a policy of anybody that contributed a PR was added to the project. So this was like an experiment, really, which I probably regret. Only because it meant that it just blew up. It ballooned.

The API is enormous. Now, did they get awards, too, or what happened there? Did you even mention them? Who? Who? Mention who? Exactly. Exactly. what happened there did you even mention them who who mention who exactly i don't know who i've slandered there because i genuinely didn't hear it did you matt when you took this open source award this medal this gold medal yeah did you mention all the little people that helped you along the way like all these

contributors the picadillos, of course I did. I mean, I didn't give a speech anywhere, but I said it to myself out loud in the mirror. Oh, there wasn't a speech? This wasn't like an award show or something? No, it's just... Oh, man. I was hoping to like, you know, put the footage up and stuff. That'd be nice.

Well, we could make that. Let's do it right now. You should do an acceptance speech that you could send to them. Oh, that's a lot of pressure. This is good this is good you can say i would have improvised it anyway matt here is your award for being great in open source go wow thank who do you want to thank i just want to thank all the little people first um they're tiny or they're really far away either way but they helped you know and you don't have to have contributed a lot to open source like i have with testify the most important project in the world i think jared was there were your words

maybe you know but thank you very much for this uh lovely medal and um you know i'd like to thank thank all my family as well i'm holding it because it came on a ribbon. So I'm just holding it up. Yeah, and you know, keep open sourcing everyone. Bye. That sort of thing. That sort of thing. Not bad. Now if you had to do that in song for instance, what would that sound like? I'd only have one hand

because I'm holding the metal. We'll just go strong hand only. Okay. Hold my strong hand. Hold my strong hand. Hold my strong hand. Hold my strong hand. I want to thank all the little people. I don't know why you're so tiny. But you helped me make this project By tapping things in on your tiny keyboard Oh baby, one day you'll be big

Thank you for my award Thank you for my award Thank you for my lovely medal Speaking of medals, Jared, were you referencing like I was Scary Movie 2? At which point? When you said take my strong hand. No, I was laughing at you because I know you said that uh previously during a pound of fine game after taylor troche gave you that little hand at strange loop that's right and you

held the little hand up and you said like take my strong hand that's what i was i was laughing because i knew that was a callback and i knew matt didn't know that was a callback so i was also laughing for that reason still got it i still got my hand he still has his there there it is take my strong hand so this is a this is a scary movie too quote it's actually a mandela effect oh it's not actually in there yeah people largely i'm talking like a massive population strongly emphatically believe that he said take my strong hand who in the in the movie i'd have to show you the clip i don't know the person's name but he actually said what take my little hand why the hell think you said strong then exactly mandela effect brah but why i don't

know why mandela effect happens it just does huh yeah a lot of people believe i mean there's a lot of people who like i believe it i remember that you just told us he said that like five minutes ago i know but he didn't the truth is that he said take my little hand huh you take my little hand i didn't know a lot of people watched that movie and had commentary on it's a lot of people yeah it's a very popular unpopular film i mean it's it's scary movie too yeah exactly come on it's a sequel exactly my point you're making my point for me come on now i could imagine you saying you know when darth vader says luke i am your father he never says that well that's a shame honestly and that's a shame that's what everybody thinks he said why so why does everybody else believe that it's mandela effect mandela

effect because it's kind of like what he should have said if george lucas was a slightly better writer i love that compression though right like you don't have to explain anything besides mandela effect that's just it that's right that's the the beauty of memes and compression but mandela did exist right he's not part of the mandela effect does he well he's the inventor of it unbeknownst to him are we talking about nelson mandela who are we talking about nelson mandela yeah so to my knowledge this is what i know about it the mandela effect came about because there was a large, again, a large population of people who emphatically believed that he had passed away years before he did not pass away. So he passed away much later, truthfully, but people believed he had died many, many years before that. And there's a lot of people and they're like, I remember seeing the headline're seeing the news reports etc etc meanwhile he did not and so this birthed this i suppose the

name to the phenomenon that seems to have happened throughout history where you a large population misremembers or has memory of an alternate dimension oh right now if you go back to the oh right like that was just a totally normal thing to say what's the thing i'm trying to has memory of an alternate dimension. Oh, right. Now, if you go back to the... Oh, right. Like that was just a totally normal thing to say. What's the thing? I'm trying to remember what the... Somebody else who would be a scientist here would know what I'm talking about.

It's the... There's a place over in your area, Matt, in the European region, I suppose, where they have like this... In CERN? Yeah, CERN, this collider. Yeah, yeah. Tell me, what's the call again

the cern particle accelerator cern particle accelerator there you go i like the way he says it so they believe that when this began to happen it started to create fractures in timelines and like alternate realities now i don't know how plausible this is but it's crazy as all get out though right like you're smashing particles together and you're rippling time and space and whatever and mandela effect there you go it should have called the jimmy carter effect you know because i thought he was dead a long time ago me too turns out he made it to 100 that's why tomorrow i'm not celebrating i'm saying you know like everybody's gonna mourn i'm like listen the guy had a good life. He died twice. Yeah, I witnessed one of these.

There was a guy, he still is a guy, called Frances Campoy, who was big in the Go community. I think he works at Apple now. Yeah, he's great. I love him, actually. I should text him, probably. Yeah, anyway.

Text him right now. Yeah. And then, while you do that, sing. And accept a medal. we never finish your story we were in after some go conference he was talking about seeing freddie mercury in barcelona and my friend david and andes who i did machine box project with he was like yes i was there i saw that too and it turns out there was and then there was a guy there who was a big nerd on queen and freddie mercury and he said no it can't have been because he died the year before well they were like no no no no it was and and so yeah they they had they had it the mandela effect that's one of those moments where you think that perhaps you're in great harm

you know like you're in harm's way do you well it's like it's like a twist at the end where you're like wait a second the call's coming from inside the house oh yeah yeah like it couldn't possibly be he's been dead for years and you're like because you know you just had lunch with him for instance right and and you have the refrigerator door open and as soon as you close it ah right and his hook is hanging on the rearview mirror of your truck. I knew what you did last summer. I knew it. I know what I knew.

You saw Freddy. Exactly. Oh, my gosh. Oh, the two Fs. Oh, yeah. Both Freddys. Reminds me of a song. The one about two Rs.

How'd that go? Oh, no. There's no memory. There's no memory there's no memory double i don't remember either it's actually triple reading writing arithmetic it's good isn't it why is he not singing we keep prompting him to sing but he won't do it you know that kid in on on that movie where bruce willis is dead the whole time trailer spoiler and also in the whole film. He's dead the whole time.

And then they show you. You don't have to watch the movie at all if you know that story. Right, right. Yeah, by now, you know, I think that ship has sailed. I'm going to go back and rewatch that movie, actually. That's a great movie. By the way, if my kids are listening to this, stop right now. Actually, a few seconds before this, because we're going to watch that together.

I don't want them to be spoiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they love the Matt matt ryer episodes tell them now to stop listening a minute ago i just did but i know dang it it's great i have to go back in time well you can edit that yeah you could edit myself in in the future actually it's in the past depends on how you think about it okay but yeah good movie i do remember that jared i think you should talk to your kids and not rely on communicating with them through podcast i'll consider it i'll take it out of consideration yeah no but the little kids like i see dead people and it's like yeah everyone can they don't go invisible when you die that's not a film you this is not a film kid and i'd be if i was the

bruce willis in that i'd be saying that to him. I'd be like, what are you talking about, mate? Of course you can see dead people. What are you talking about? Wait. Did you see then, who was it? There was a comedian that told this story about this film. Did Matt just take his joke and act as if it was his own?

No, no, no. But it reminds me of it because they said it was Nate Bregazzi. And we love him because he's a very tasteful comedian. He doesn't have to cuss or tell anything egregious at all. He said it was more plausible to the listening and watching audience that his wife didn't want to talk to him than him being dead that was a version of his punchline it was more plausible that this woman was ignoring him for a year the whole film basically ignoring him completely then for him to be dead yeah what a shame no that's it's a good point what a shame so here's what i would like to have in life i like to like to have a Matt GBT, which is, of course, a musical intelligence that could answer my beck and call. Like if I had to say like, hey, Matt GBT, could you summarize this podcast? You know, because that because GPTs can summarize, man. Oh, yeah, they're good at that.

And sometimes they can summarize in musical fashion if they happen to be a musical Matt GBT. I see. Could I have one of those yeah i think so okay what key would you like it in by the way this is a flex because i'm you say the key and then i really play it in that key and then the the listening audience musical people understand this but for me it's just more like stress because i don't know any more keys i already gave you a minor and i don't know the other ones yeah i mean and adam said p that was a joke that was b is that a good one is that the same as a minor no it's not the same c major matt what's the best key for a summary uh that's a good

question um probably e flat if we're just being honest. Which we haven't been. Well, thank you for joining us. I hope you had a good time, baby, because I know that I did. I had a lovely time. Now it's time to go and get some R&R. Take it down. Have a relax and play some Super Mario If you got an ancient floppy disk on ya, yeah Then you'll be fine when nuclear war breaks out And if you wanna know how

To make it out alive I suggest you get the slime mold To show you how This, this is a family show Yeah, but how many kids listen? I don't know Probably not that many Not yet anyway, not yet anyway. Now we've had a good time, yeah. We're going for some high stakes after this. This is my strong hand, take it please Take my strong hand I'll take you to CERN And we'll discern if they've broken the universe And next time we'll see you on the changelog and friends

This is the end And now for some loopback white noise. Not bad. Great job, Matt. I actually think now that you've done that white noise, I think they stole that from you. Yeah, I think they ganked your white noise, bro. You should get some licenses from them.

Yeah. Bye, friends. Bye, y'all. Thanks, Matt. Bye. Thank you. Take my strong hand. I'm thinking that Matt was even more comfortable at the piano than he is with a guitar.

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listening you made that joke last time no i didn't i just text it to you oh that's saying i said i'm gonna make this joke don't ruin it don't call me out yeah don't call me out on it oh shoot