The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source - More BMC goodness (Friends)

Episode Date: April 13, 2024

Our beat freak in residence returns, this time to discuss the shiny new Dance Party album! We deconstruct its nostalgic mix, break down some of our favorite tracks & even learn that BMC is writing a mysterious book...

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oh you know what i'm talking about the sample in and the theme? Oh, no, you mean what you've done with the theme. Both. Oh. And the outro theme. Do tell. Do you know that one? I mean, you wrote it. You made it.

We got two samples. Oh, you don't know we're using that for an outro now. That's probably why you're so confused. Is it one of the punny ones? It's one of the punny ones. Yeah, okay. So we're using the new theme sample as the new theme and then we've replaced the old outro music with the other one

and our shiver listeners in the channel channel, they're pretty smart people. They are smart people. Like, wait a second. I know what you guys are trying to do to me. Do to us, yeah. So that's kind of cool. Sorry about that. It's nice to have a secret, you know, like in plain sight.

But it's also nice when that secret kind of slips out for insiders, you know. Indeed. I like an Easter egg. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Well, here we are. We are hanging out with the mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder, our Beat Freakin' residents, our Beatmaster.

What else do we call you? BMC? Yes. That's pretty much it. Shirley? Don't call yourself Shirley. Naked Gun. God, is it? That's 80s.

It's going back even further than our Ship It samples, which we will not name. We'll let other people figure them out. Oh, I was wondering. Okay. We're here to talk about Dance Party. This is our newest album out for a few months now. Okay. By Changelog Beats and Breakmaster Cylinder.

A collab, as we do. We've been collabing for years. And this one's cool. Basically, we're like, hey, BMC, take all of the songs that you've made for us that are danceable, or they're just like raveable, or you could hear them potentially in a club. You could imagine them being played loudly at night.

Yes. And put them onto an album. I can be loud at night. And you did it. And loudly at night. Yes. And put them onto an album. I can be loud at night. And you did it. And I did it. Yes. Is that it? That's it.

That's the show. Yes. Thank you for doing that. Oons, oons, oons. You're welcome. Well, I don't know if we want to go track by track, because there's 21 tracks. We might be here a while.

Maybe we can talk about it. I'd love to talk about the mix overall, because this mix is different than our other albums that you've done intentionally so people may be wondering if it was an accident or intentional and this was very much intentional yeah so i want to talk about that adam what's on your agenda to uh tease out of bmc i almost said once once once but he beat me to it. Sorry. So we already got that one checked off. How do you spell oomph, by the way?

I don't know. Like ounce, maybe? I don't know if you do the double O. I would do like O-O-N-T-Z. Okay. Yeah, maybe that's right. How about you? Oomph, yeah. That's a good one.

Yeah, I agree with the mix. This one was different. You put like extra sprinkles of sugar on top of this one i think too in terms of the detail in the mix yeah in comparison to others the fading and the mixing and all that stuff tell us about it tell us about it is uh in the 90s when i listened a lot of trance cds or things like that you can hear the dj trying to switch between tracks and sometimes it goes really well and sometimes it's a little clunky you can hear the dj trying to switch between tracks and sometimes it goes really well and sometimes it's a little clunky you can hear them do it and i found that endearing so i made it deliberately sound like i was trying to get from one to the other and do it as best as i can

but it wouldn't be totally perfect and the beats aren't like off from each other or anything but like trying to get one song that's in one key into another one that's in a different key you know be creative i don't know it just sounds good it feels good you press play and then the whole thing doesn't stop until the end right yeah yeah i like that it's like what happens is tells how it works so during one track the next track overlays it for the last N seconds, and it fades from one to the other. Yeah. And then if you just start from track three, for instance, it's just normal.

But if you start at the end of track two, there's like, it's not its own song, right? It's got some part of the other song into it. It has some parts. To allow for that smooth fade. Some track three at the end of track two. Right. I was just listening to it.

I guess some of them have little pieces of the previous, but not too obviously, hopefully. Very little, yeah. Yeah. There's a couple that are very deliberate where it comes in with it. And I like that, honestly. I dug how that worked out. I dug the detail put in there, you know? I like details.

Yeah. But also, it was like a nostalgia thing for me i don't know if that's gonna mean a lot to too many other people but right yeah i'm jumping the gun a little bit but i'm really concerned about paul oh you're just jumping to the end of the album dude i wouldn't be concerned about paul i'd be concerned for moby and also i did not come up with his name this was literally the request for the song. You were like, make it sound like this. Right.

I feel like I should clarify. What song are you talking about? I don't even know what you guys are talking about. No idea. We could wait then. Let's let it be a teaser. Okay. A cliffhanger for those who are thinking, gosh, just share the best,

and we're not going to do it until the end. Well, I thought we would start with the start because I'm not Tarantino. I'm more traditional. So I thought, you know, this. You guys hear this? Yes. We stole this.

This is different. Did you? Yeah. Well, internally stole it. We stole it from you. Oh, okay. So you put this crowd noise in at the beginning of the album he's

like what i made that are you kidding me yeah who what he's like yeah what i i got friends together first of all did you actually make all those noises or is that like uh one of those things where you get some wave files no i just found a bunch of crowds it's like three different ones kind of blended together to keep it from to make them all like roar with approval at the right moment right and then fade out in a way that doesn't sound too bad yes a lot of detail in there too to get that right because you're right it does naturally perfectly fade and then about two-ish seconds into the crowd coming up there's like a sort of a a swell yep like as if the track began and the track got good and everybody got

excited about the track coming into play. Like as if you're live at the DJ. Okay, I pictured it like the DJ finally walked out on stage. Like they're all kind of waiting. They're like, they hear it coming. They're like, oh, there they are. Oh, it's that guy. Yeah, it's like, oh, we're getting started.

It's called Party Started. The lights came on. Yeah. Kind of thing, yeah. And it's like, it's time. It's time. Yeah, kind of thing yeah and it's like it's time it's time yeah for sure so and then we stole it from you so now we just put it in random places uh at the top of the changelog for instance yeah you know we kind of figured that i don't know adam do you just think people would naturally be excited they'd be clapping for us if we came out

on stage you know honestly um when these when these albums come out i like to reuse a lot of the music we use in them obviously like interstitials i'm like why i want to just pay homage to what's been released so that when people go and listen to it it sounds familiar in a way and so i kind of borrowed it temporarily and now it's kind of stuck so i like it i think we need to have different variations of it at some point like having a crowd begin kind of feels a bit like truly world-class, in my opinion. But initially, it was just to give a nod to the album out there and have similarity.

Change log! Yeah, exactly. It could be delusions of grandeur. It could be a little bit of that. No way. Have you done any live shows ever? People would cheer. I mean, we've been on stage and done could be a little bit of that. No way. Have you done any live shows ever? People would cheer. I mean, we've been on stage and done some stuff, but not.

Yeah. Some clapping. I don't know if I would say to cheers. We've had claps. I don't think we've ever had cheers. But I would love, you know, if we could like work in like, Adam Stachowiak, I love you. You know?

I could totally do that. Oh, my gosh. I'm dead way away from the microphone. You can just imagine it into existence do you have nicknames like the stack the stack yeah we could definitely do some nicknames some people call me stack some call me stacks with an s at the end plural change it to an x and there's your dj name already there you go yeah i don't know skrillex would allow it it's too close stacks true lex yeah he'd come it's true no he's in vegas doing something clapping is like cheering

of the hands that's that's on the way yeah i think we're on our way here's what i think would happen actually you know if we ever did do because we we hint and we tease and we talk about a conference a party uh meet up a show a hangout we've never done any of these things but every time we're talking about it behind the scenes we're like do you think bmc would come and dj that thing live you know thank you and i'm like oh i'm sure i'm like i'm not sure but i've already asked him oh yeah we already got a yes so that's where we i think we would get our cheer for the first time. When you drop the beat initially live for changelog listeners and friends, that's when I think our claps are going to turn into cheers for the first time.

That would be an honor. I would cheer. Aw, thanks. Yeah, I would have to join the party and cheer as well. From peer pressure? Yeah. Well, pure joy, really. Pure, I would have to join the party and cheer as well. From peer pressure? Yeah. Well, pure joy, really. Pure joy.

Pure joy. That's good. Tapped right into my intravenous vein there. It's just like, got it. The joy is in there. Oh, I love that. Intravenously, wow. The BMC has entered the building, and that's how it goes.

That's awesome. But the way this album opens up is like the truly good beat, though. I mean, you got the party started, Jared, you kind of played that. There's like what, 20 seconds of cheer. And then,

yeah, you know, that beat drops. And then we dropped the bump on a log. Yeah, I do like these for openers. That bass is like sparse and Mr. Oizo-ish, if you ever heard that song a long time ago.

That's my favorite part. What do you call that, though? Waka waka waka? It's a synthesizer. It's a little atonal. I mean, it has pitch, but it's like not notes necessarily. I don't know. This is what I've always loved about electronic music is the layers,

right? Like you're just layering on more sounds over time. That's like the move, isn't it? Yeah. You're supposed to be thinking about like how many sounds can a listener like really process at once. I'm going to stop that so we can talk to each other.

But man, yeah, they're just like, it just starts simple and then it just like more, more, more and it's very mathematical I hope so it has to be timed out right, otherwise it's weird

I like weird math stuff I mean that one isn't an example of it but I like instruments with different length patterns kind of overlapping gotcha, yeah that's some of your taste there but it starts out with a banger bump on a log i think the other one that we potentially considered was bass is the

place to start it out yeah and prior to that you had something entirely different and i was like it has to start with a banger remember that yes you were right what were you starting with do you remember i don't know four to the floor one of these uh halt and catch fire songs maybe right of which there are many they're good but they're not bumping along right this is way more more amped i agree it was a good oh yeah the way it comes in is is like this is a party oh it's a party and uh you had better dance or else yeah yeah dancing is mandatory for sure i mean whenever i whenever this officially dropped on spotify and was listenable to the world i think actually it might have been the Dropbox version of it before we actually, it was out there.

Oh yeah. I played it in my living room for my kids and they love to dance. We always have dance parties. Good. We literally have dance parties already. And so we'll throw various types of music like this onto the speakers, bump it to 75, 80, whatever the number is like basically almost 100 yeah and uh we just rock it out and these kids literally danced the entire album oh sweet the

whole album i mean i skipped over some of the middle parts sure to get to the because i was actually thinking like i'm qa'ing this like how does this sound on real speakers really loud as if i'm a listener out there enjoying it my living room on my big banging speakers and i'm just i'm just going at it basically sweet i skipped a little bit but for a you know the whole album dancing it out the whole way no kids reactions is perfect they were loving it they had showers afterwards went right to bed directly you just you warm out vmc this album will warm out your children okay yeah cool that's high praise that's super high praise and uh the speakers just to be super nerdy the speakers i had them on were klipsch pro 250 rpw lcrs okay just so you know

this have dual five and a quarter ceramic woofers in them, a 1-inch titanium dome tweeter matted to a composite-coated hybrid cross-section Tractix horn. Just so you know. Just off the top of your head, huh? Just so you know. And probably about 100 watts at least per speaker. Maybe 150 per speaker.

That's a decent beat. That's a decent bump. Do you know what he's talking about? I know what glitch is, but beyond that i just remember skull candy head buds i mean earbuds oh yeah yeah i know those no i'm i'm kidding that's what this is designed to sound good on yeah right well he knows dr klipsch i vaguely should but i now that i know that i please listen to all the music and tell me how it bumps because that's going to be just the best possible system. That's where I test things at.

I test things in that living room or in the theater with similar speakers. But Klipsch, Dr. Klipsch, made famous the Klipsch horn. This old school back in the 50s, 60s invented this furniture style speaker. And it's just magnificent to look at as a speaker. And all the tech that Klipsch has today has come from his original – he's a physicist. He's all about sound design and whatnot. And he designed some amazing speakers.

And so Klipsch is my brand. That's what I love. Excellent. Well, speaking of playing it for your kids, this reminds me of the initial Go Time theme song, which we made years and years and years ago together. You made most of it. We gave you feedback.

And I remember playing it for Ezra when he was two. He's like almost 10 now. So that'd be eight years ago. Dang. And I remember he was sitting at the kitchen table. I had a video of this, and I remember sending it to you. Yes, I do too. And he just goes crazy with the head bumps.

And then it finally ends, and he goes, he's like, will you play that again for me, Dad? Or something real cute. Yay! Daddy? What? Find another one for me. Yes! And I was like, he was just, that Go Time theme song,

that's all I wanted to listen to. Excellent. Yeah. That's awesome. So you rate highly with the youth. I care about that. I really do. It sounded sarcastic, but I think it's sincere.

They'll tell you if something's terrible. That's true. Or they'll just walk away and be like, you know. I mean, when they're dancing, it's all out of pure vibes. There's no putting on airs, right? Totally, yes. And they don't want to dance. They're not going to.

They're like, eh, the song isn't moving me. No. So that is a high praise. No, it's always been like yeah what's up friends This episode is brought to you by one of my good friends, one of my best friends, actually, one of our good friends, Tailscale. And if you've heard me on a podcast, you've heard me mention Tailscale several times

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it's all one word this is an italian word um i think adam was bugging you for some halton catch fire inspired stuff and i it must have went on for a while because you ended up with a lot of tracks yeah he super was you super were uh wait right there's a story the is there more yeah if you ever listen to it it has it has really really specific sound to it yeah it does yeah so 80s early 90s maybe 80s kind of vibe bmc what's your favorite of these four we'll play a few seconds from it here the first one's my favorite uh halton catchpire all right that's probably the first one we did too so it and catch fire all right that's probably the first one we did too so it's a little closer to the yeah oh yeah this was at the top of the change

log still is isn't it yeah adam uses this one as his intro yeah like i like that broken up little synth thing that's like barely appearing there's a gate on it so it kind of crackles if that means anything why is it crackle because there's a gate on it that cuz yeah it will only play when it's reached a certain volume level and then everything under that gets cut off immediately so it's a slow, I mean a fast attack, fast release, and that's kind of cool. You can make things sound really electronic like anything.

I do this with cellos and things or flutes or whatever. It will just crackle into existence and then it will disappear because whatever was before it was not quite loud enough. Gotcha. That's interesting. Sounds techie. I actually go between those two. I don't always do that one. I do a couple of the others.

So basically all the Haltons, Catch Whatevers, I've used for intros. Dig those ones, of course. What else do I use for intros? I don't even know the name of it. It's not really sound. Yeah, the titles mean nothing. Yeah, the titles are meaningless,

which is why sometimes you're like, I have to hear it first to even know what you're talking about. You can say the name. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Like impetuous loggers for change. I can't even imagine what that sounds like right now. No.

How many titles can I put log in? Yeah, you've done a pretty good job with that. Of the titles, though, of the HALT titles, I have to admit, HALT and Do Not Pass Go is just chef's kiss. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Glad. Yeah. I think it was Tetris Metris, which is jumping the gun a little bit, but...

Oh, we can go there. Oh, yeah, Tetris Metris. That's for that documentary you saw about Tetris. That's right. The Tetris the movie. Tetris the movie. Which I got all excited about, and then I never watched it. It's kind of what I do. It's nonfiction, right? I Tetris the movie. Tetris the movie. Which I got all excited about and then never watched it. It's kind of what I do.

It's nonfiction, right? I mean, it's a documentary. It's not like blocks from space. It's a dramatic fiction of a true story. Got it. Yeah. What do you call those? Dramatization?

Yeah, a dramatization of a true story, which was interesting, particularly to us, because Adam actually interviewed the guy in which it was dramatizing. Really? Hank Rogers, yeah. It was really interesting to watch that considering the conversation and I guess how old that conversation is in comparison to, I guess, just the entropy of Tetris, really. You can't stop Tetris, you know? I mean, the film is evident of that. I won't ruin it for anybody, but it gets out.

It can't be stopped. It can't stop the signal. Yeah. that i won't ruin it for anybody but it gets out it can't be stopped stop the signal yeah it uh licensing couldn't stop it governments couldn't stop it wow and uh it's really it's really interesting how the game began and like it began like as a a programmer's love to program but then to program a game and that to me was like the beautiful part of it was the connection between Hank Rogers and the fellow that created it. I think his name is Sergei, if I recall correctly. It was based on programming, like what language, how is it written, you know, all this stuff. It wasn't like, it was the game too,

but then it was also how is the game written to change it to be more playable and change the rules of the game. That's so cool. It's pretty wild. So you watched it. I think it was like on Apple TV plus or something. And then you said,

this music is good. Yeah. You being Adam. Right. And then he said, BMC, Tetris, Metris,

please. I said, okay, well, I don't know if it came. Like, I think I was like, what did I say to you? BMC. I said, okay. Well, I don't know if it came, like, I think I was like, what did I say to you, BMC?

I was just like, this album, all the music in this entire film is amazing. Go watch the film and be inspired. That's probably what I said, some version of that. Because the movie does have a phenomenal soundtrack. It's really well done. And so I was like, I think that's the beauty of what we do is is uh in this version of podcasting jerry's that we we can sort of like be influenced by the world and share that back with bmc and say please make similarities right you know be inspired by x and let's bring that into this i feel like that's the

ultimate way to remix the world like everything's just a remix anyways and i think it's less about let's have what they have but more like man that's so cool let's do versions of that to spread that version more into the world yeah they're using techniques or sounds or things that you can for sure remix sure. Remix the world. Yes. I love a good homage. So, BMC, did you go actually watch Tetris or did you just go listen to some of the music and then say Tetris Metris?

No, I didn't watch it, although I'm watching it in my head overlaid over everything right now because all you have to say is Tetris and I'm trying to get lines together. Wow, that's very... No, but I listened to the theme song. I played it a lot. That's what I did.

And then this came out the other end right here. Oh yeah, you definitely used this one. Yeah. Yeah. See that? Just begs for someone to start talking right there, doesn't it? Oh yeah, okay. I think so. It's good to know stuff like that.

The second one is off by one beat, right? It's on the up. Yeah. Right? E and up. Yeah. Yeah. Was it the second 16th note, if you want to be?

Yeah. The second 16th, Adam. Yeah, exactly. Sorry about that. No, I'm not correcting you. i knew it was on the up though at least no you noticed it at all i think still a track the theme song uses the same sounds and definitely at the same bpm that's like the first thing you can do to make a song sound like another song is don't deviate from the BPM, the tempo. Love that one. Love that one.

So good. Yeah. And it's kind of chill, too, so it is begging for someone to talk over the top of it. I mean, some tracks where you're like, I love this track, but I couldn't use it as a bed during a read because it's just too much going on. You're just going to be fighting with it.

But especially the first part of that is just very melodic and simple. It doesn't have a lot of craziness to it. You can just talk right over the top of it. I'll write more of that. It's good. As BMC would say, I like it. Maybe you would

like it too. I do like it. I'm glad you like it too. I was very happy with that track though too i was very happy with that track though very very happy that track when i when i heard it i was like you you you yeah you knocked it out of the park oh my gosh this is this is absolute fire give me more Turn it up. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. Excellent. Yeah, for real. Like, you know, I'll pause for a second and just gush for one second. Jared, do you mind if I gush just a brief moment?

As long as we can clean up afterwards. Seriously. Working with you is so freaking awesome. It really is. Just being able to, like, be inspired by something and share that with you. And then, like, something cool comes out the other end that is not just like mostly good it's like really good to me is the absolute magic of some of the stuff we do like you're of the secret sauces you're like like i i close the curtain and i immediately shake the bottle you're in right and i pour you out all

over the stuff we do and then it's just amazing okay stop gushing it's getting weird uh oh little bmc it's like bff you're like the bff man you're the bmc bff it's just so good so good it's hard to know how to respond to that specifically, but that's really nice. Right? That's just very nice. I'm really glad. I don't have anything to say about my sauciness per se. Yeah. I mean, the fact that you didn't just hang up and leave says a lot. Screw this. It speaks volumes, BMC.

I'm still here after that. Feeling uncomfortable and need some more space. You've got to illustrate things. You've got to give people a mental picture. Oh, agreed. Agreed, agreed. That was a picture, yeah. Some pictures you don't have to give to people, though. You could give other pictures. But BMC's still here, so he's here

for it. Oh, I'm here. Speaking of making things extra special and sprinkling, wouldn't you say? I don't even know what you said. I tuned it out once it started getting weird. Gushing. Just sprinkle you say? I don't even know what you said. I tuned it out once it started getting weird. Gushing. Just sprinkle you all over. Sprinkle. Yes.

Well, in fact, I said shook the bottle and pour you all over. Right. It wasn't sprinkle. That's why I stopped myself. Didn't you say draw the blinds first, though? I said close the curtain. Close the curtain in the shower, BMC. He's taking a shower. No, no, no.

It's the magician. It's the great Oz. You can't see what's happening back here. Oh, yeah. My magic potions. Oh, I thought you were taking a shower and you were like, like the shampoo was just BMC and you were just spraying it. No, this is like the great Oz closing the curtain.

You can't see what's back here. I've got magic things happening. And BMC is one of the bottles I grab and I shake and I pour onto our podcast. Okay, so when you said paint a picture, you had painted a different picture in my head than you thought you were painting. Well, that's because you got a dirty mind. I can't help that. No, I have a clean mind.

I thought you were taking a shower. Because you closed the curtain and then you grabbed the bottle and you start spraying it. I figure you're just lathering up. Okay, so let's get into this. Am I more shampoo or conditioner? Neither. Be brutally honest with me. Brutally honest.

I would say you're conditioner. Yeah. Because you go on second and make it all silky smooth, you know. You're the three-in-one. You're the body wash, you're the shampoo, and you're the conditioner. Oh. Oh, my God. Let's get back to the music, okay, guys?

I think we're still talking about the music. You made me remember that we haven't spoken to you since State of the Log. Weren't you on the show prior to, or was it after? Before, I think. It was before, because people enjoyed that episode last year. Yeah, so we had Jamie Tanna on the show, and he had been a benefactor of your remixes. And so we talked about you with him

and what it felt like to receive a remix. Oh, cool. But we haven't talked to you about it. I mean, you took State of the Log to the next level this year. That was fun. See? It was probably like three times better than usual. And we're going to have to have you do it every year probably now.

Because I'm a three and one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I want to do that. Let's do it every time. You're talking about cutting up people's messages into music yeah the voicemails so cool that's fun that was cool that's like old school when i was like a little kid and i had radio and a double tape deck and i just record certain words and then mash them together on the second tape and make you know the muppets say horrible things or something. Right. Yeah.

That was amazing. That's just fun. So much so that I've been reusing those as transitions sometimes. Yeah. Especially like enjoy the drop and a few other phrases that people said that you then put music to. Well, yeah, and they also said a bunch of perfect stuff. Yeah, they were really nice. Couldn't have been happier.

Yeah. It almost makes me want to do more states of the logs just so we can have more voicemails, more remixes. But too much of a good thing can be too much. Yeah, they are. All right, back to Dance Party, though. All right. A couple of these tracks have names like they could be on a different album of ours,

perhaps our next level album, because we have Tetris. Of course, there's Rainbow Toad Club. That sounds like it's a video game inspired track ridley gonna ridley i believe that's based off of metroid because really it's pretty old metroid right that's a pretty old one for us i think it is like several years old same with sentient refrigerator oh yeah because everyone knows what that sounds like that sounds scary to me so remind me bmc why are some of these tracks on this track are on this album and not on next level our video game theme inspired ones you said why they're not yeah like wouldn't those fit well over there do you remember why we didn't put them in that one

because next level was largely although not entirely trying to use just sounds from like a video game thing like if it was a nintendo castlevania level which you love castlevania levels adam loves castlevania levels i didn't want to add like beats to it necessarily like modern beats it was just writing the whole thing using that plus i guess we had dance party in mind even when we were making that one. Right. So we probably held these back. So I kept most of the four to the floor. I kept that for later.

Well, I have to say, my two favorite tracks on this one are the 80s, I don't know, Miami Bites, 1984, and Pole Reposition. Sure. Which I think was based off of pole position. That was a video game one, but very much sounds,

sounds like it belongs in an eighties car chase or something, you know? Yeah. I'm confused about that. Cause it's a video game, right? But the original song has like rocking studio guitar kind of, no,

wait, what do I mean? Not studio. Yeah. Like, let, what do I mean? Not studio. Yeah, like... Let's play a little bit of it here. In-house musicians. Oh, I'm on the highway to the danger zone already. Yeah, there's a little bit of highway to the danger zone there.

Which brings me to the 80s. Now this does feel like a video game, like F-Zero or some sort of racing game. But even more so, like Knight Rider maybe? Knight Rider vibes? I don't know. David Hasselhoff just makes me think of David Hasselhoff as many things do the level of cheese thought there was a guitar solo in this

yeah this track is just awesome I'll turn it off now because I could listen to the whole thing so there was several renditions of that on YouTube, and I found one where, and I think this is the one you actually was inspired by, was one that actually had multiple instruments, I suppose, like the same person playing multiple instruments of the pole reposition or pole position.

One of those videos with all the mini screens inside it where they're playing yeah exactly we're like that's cool yeah i think it was something like that and so pole position was a popular game on atari i believe was it an atari i thought it was an nes but it's old i can. Let me see. It was definitely color graphics. I think it was Atari. Like the Joust days. Yes, released by Namco in 82 and licensed to Atari Inc. That would have been really advanced then,

if it was the same time as Joust around there. It was way more advanced. Yeah, the Atari 2600 was the original, and I think it probably got remade onto other things. Yeah. But yes, you got it right, Atari. And I was just like, let me just go back in my repertoire of games from old. And what were the themes?

Q-Bert was one of them. Yeah. This one, obviously, and several others. Metroid and Castlevania. Original, original Donkey Kong. Sonic and all the things yeah donkey kong country a lot of those yes oh i love doing the sonic ones though those are too much fun i found the the virtual instrument that is the same as the sound card they used for the genesis and

it's just too good oh nice yeah it's awesome i. I dug the theme remixes based on those. Yeah. Those were cool. Yeah, and those are on our theme songs album. The second half of the theme songs album is all the Sonic remixes of the original theme songs. Yeah. Which is almost more fun to listen to than the originals. Not that they're not good.

They're just so much fun to listen to that second half. It's got nostalgia. There's just no end to the goodness. The sauce just keeps coming. Are you guys interested at all in what the listeners are listening to? Yes. Absolutely. Well then.

Taylor Swift. Let me sign into our account and see what, oh no, two-step authentication. What happened here? Oh, God. KBMC, stall for us. Oh. Was that the bonus stage with the big sphere where you had to jump over that it doesn't matter but i am stalling i am stalling this sentence proves it as well all right adam

stall for us i was thinking about take on me by aha as a remix in the future it might be my favorite song ever oh really oh yeah if that song comes on i'm happy sure but that's the only one well there's many more of course but that's a really solid song and if it's there are songs that just you're never sorry to hear it ever yeah and that's one of them i'll listen to it by Weezer. I'll listen to it by the original band, A-Ha, of course. There's been many versions of it. There's an acapella version of it. It's really like, it's probably 20 years after the original recording.

It's just phenomenal. And the lyrics are not, it's not just a good song, it's good lyrics too, in my opinion. You know, they have meaning sure and then of course back in the mtv days like i grew up in the 80s 90s so you know i want my mtv basically right but the original music video gosh was like quintessential of course like it was this real life photography video mixed with cartoon. So cool. Have you seen it? No.

I'm picturing a different video. Oh my gosh, BMC. We have to steep you in my tastes. I'm going to keep using cooking metaphors and verbs to describe things. Oh, I love cooking metaphors for music. You know what I learned to do?

Is saute tomato paste on its own before you use it in something. That's really good. That's the mix. Maybe like spaghetti? Yeah, or Indian food, particularly. But it transforms it a bit. Way better. Thank you.

I must be at the stall here, Jared. Oh, we're still stalling. Oh, you guys are stalling? I thought you were just talking. I was stalling. Yes, it did. You know what version of that I've heard most recently is a kid on Spotify replacing the lyrics

to make it about Minecraft and practically swallowing the microphone. It's just so distorted, and that's immediately what I think of when like it's just so distorted and that's immediately what I think of when you say take on me and that's probably a shame oh well that's just sad yeah I'm sorry I want to fix that

alright let's stop stalling it's getting sad okay so on Spotify at least our most popular song which maybe this is good timing for you to go there Adam is Paul Oakenfoldakenfold Fights Moby in the Alley Behind a Pan-Asian Restaurant. That's our top song on Spotify. I'm just saying. Over the last month.

Not of all time. They're all time stats that seem to be not working for me. So that's why. Totally makes sense to me. Were you suggesting that Moby would win? Because I just don't know. Was I suggesting? Yeah, at the beginning you were like,

sorry for Paul. Let's feel sorry for Paul. But I feel like Moby's a vegan. Well, you know how I feel, BMC, because my original title was Paul Oakenfold Beats Up Moby. Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah. I tried to soften it. And you changed it to be more politically correct. Yeah. How do we

always end up almost blasting moby this happened the last interview too yeah that was like a therapy session tell us why you don't like moby well this is why i think you came up with this was because of that yeah this week yeah this came out of our last episode together because we were talking about how we would give you ridiculous requests and you would fulfill them and then shortly thereafter and we also talked about your disdain for moby that's tongue-in-cheek i feel like i avoided because i could no and then afterwards you're like hey maybe we should put a few new tracks on dance party like maybe we

should make some more songs definitely and you took requests and i just try to think of the most ridiculous thing i could you did yeah because i was trying to challenge you. You did very well. And the other one I requested didn't actually get made. I can't remember what it was, but it had something to do with Andre 3000. But this one got made. And I just said, I want you to write a song called Paul Oakenfold Beats Up Moby in the alley behind a sushi restaurant. Now, you refused to do that, but you agreed to write one that's very similar.

No, you didn't refuse, but we just renamed it over time. I changed it to Pan Asian because it uses a lot of Shaw Brothers Kung Fu samples, which is not Japanese. Right. So, very nice touch there. Nice detail that I would have missed.

Let's get it correct. And you also wanted to say Paul Oakenfold fights Moby versus beats up Moby. Yeah. I don't know. Which I'm fine with. Not bad fights Moby versus beats up Moby. Yeah. I don't know. Which I'm fine with. Not bad for Moby, I guess. Yeah.

I think a lot of people pick on Moby. Right. I don't need to be. Yeah. Like once Eminem did it, pretty much it was like open season on Moby. Don't you think, Adam? I didn't know Eminem did that, but I've always been a Moby fan, I guess. I like Moby's music.

Yeah, but like. You like that album play. Yeah. Agreed. That's pretty much I guess. I like Moby's music. Yeah, but like, yeah. You like that album Play. Yeah, agreed. That's pretty much the one that I know. That's good. But you don't remember that Eminem track when he dissed Moby? Oh, that's right. Yeah, I do recall that.

And lyrically he dissed him, not in an interview. Yeah, it was a track. The way true rappers diss is via tracks. Yeah, exactly. But he didn't just call him a dweeb or something. He's like, nobody listens to Moby. Like he came out and said that.

Like, you know no one listens to Moby. Was that the same one he was mentioning, Britney Spears? I think so. Yeah. That was back when Eminem

could do nothing but drop fire every album, every track. I think it was Real Slim Shady is the track. Quite possibly. Because that was the one he was like,

yeah, I think so. Yeah. Anyways, so ever since then, people have been picking on Moby. I do like some of Moby's music. I don't have any problem with the guy. Don't even know him. But I thought it'd be funny to have Paul Oakenfold beat him up in a song title.

That's all. That's all. Regardless, this is what came out. So from that request, I didn't give you any more information. I just gave you that. Oh, yeah. And you went and came up with this. That's the Paul Oakenfold bit for sure. This definitely has Paul Oakenfold written all over it.

Oh, the Moby bit is it uses the line from Porcelain. It goes, and this is goodbye. It has the little like four notes. Five notes. So that's a nod to Moby. And then the little like four notes. Five notes. So that's a nod to Moby. And then there's like Kung Fu noises. Love that stuff. That's it.

Yeah, I like that. I like that. This is goodbye. This is a good song. Thanks. In fact, when I first listened to it, I thought, he's doing the Kung Fu Noises because of the song title, but I wonder if it just doesn't even need him.

And maybe they're distracting. But then I got used to him and I like him now, so I kind of got over it, but I wonder what other people think about that. See, I like him now, but at first I was like huh yeah it could be too far it makes it very

but it makes me actually visualize a fight it just sounds good it's punctuation I don't know it's nice rhythmically but it doesn't fit with change log in any way true thematically i think and i don't think we used it for anything

except for this yeah because yeah i don't think i would put this in an episode necessarily yeah where are you gonna find matching context for this an outro an outro or like something where yeah where maybe a debate episode you know okay sure yeah it definitely was just a fun diversion and just uh well that's just here for the dance party this is here for the I'm all about fun diversion and the kids on Spotify seem to like it more than our other stuff at least cool

well I have some good news about this track good news that you didn't even know what's that? this is brand new information straight from Spotify's API when you search for Paul Oakenfold under tracks which is like list the songs that reference or are attached to Paul Oakenfold under tracks, which is like list the songs that reference or are attached to Paul Oakenfold, this track comes up as 234.

Now, I believe Moby has somehow gamed the algorithm because it is nowhere in existence in Moby's search. Turns out lots of people do listen to Moby. Yeah. Is he still doing stuff? You know, I don't care. Anyway. It doesn't matter. You know, I don't care.

Don't answer that. Is your shirt a Godfather thing? I can only see the very top, but the font looks Godfather-y. Me? Yeah. It's the changelog. This is an old school changelog. That's nice.

The original. The OG. Yeah. Anybody got a favorite song off of this album or overall? On this whole track? Yeah, this whole album? Well, I shared mine. Miami Bites and Pole Reposition are the two.

I probably couldn't pick from those two. I mean, I think I like, I do like Bump on a Log. Yeah. I don't want to be boring, but I like the Orange Night. The Orange Night's so deep in the track list that I don't always get to it. Yeah. Yeah. Second to last.

Yeah, this one could have been like where Bump on a Log is almost. Yeah, it could have opened up too. Close. Yeah. It takes a little longer Yeah, it could have opened up too. Close. It takes a little longer to get to it. I do too. This has got to be one you can't really talk over either. Why do you let me keep doing this? A lot.

Well, you know, some of them are just good. And we can't stop you, honestly. Not all our music needs to be talked over either. Yeah, that's true. Not everything's a bumper, I realize, but... Yeah. I don't like to resist art, honestly. I like to just let it flow.

I like that about you. My favorite is Dusk Under a Flaming Moon. Oh, that's a good one too. That's the same style as Jared's favorite. It is. In particular, the middle section of it just gets really good. You've got to listen to it for a bit to get there, though. This is a longer track.

It's almost three minutes. I mean, it's just... You could tug over this one, no problem. Yeah. This also feels like I'm driving at nighttime. Yes. It's an adventure. Driving at nighttime, and it's really saturated neon pink and purple in my head.

Like Tron, almost. Sure. I'm always thinking that movie Drive. It had that song Nightcall in it. Oh, yeah. Drive was a good movie. Yeah, this track is awesome.

When this guitar solo comes in, though, I'm just thinking you just grabbed a guitar and did this somehow, but the strings made the solo coming up. Sorry. Did you grab your guitar and make this happen? right here

oh those noises? yeah like this is an awesome solo it's the only reason to listen to the whole song like this is it this right here. This moment. I don't know that that was guitar, honestly. It has that feeling, though, doesn't it?

Like, noodling. Yeah, it does. I mean, when you think about it, I haven't thought about it that hard until now. It does kind of feel like a guitar. Listen, crazy. It feels like a guitar. It it was guitars the absolute heck i think if you did play our live show you should probably do this one on the guitar i can't play guitar what i have a little bit sometimes i need like acoustic guitar chords don't ruin our dreams i'm sorry no no i'll learn for you obviously thank you i'll learn for you we're all what I have a little bit. Sometimes I need like acoustic guitar chords. Don't ruin our dreams. Oh, sorry.

No, no. I'll learn for you, obviously. Thank you. I'll learn for you. Or I'll, what is that, finger sync it. Oh, gosh. That's the best track of the whole album, my opinion. It's it. It is good.

Well, what are you working on now? What should we do next? What's cooking? What's popping? What's breaking and bopping? Wow. So many questions. It's all the same question yeah it's true how do i break this down between i was stalling that was very good what am i doing

that's a podcast theme that's a podcast theme that's the thing i really want to talk about but cannot oh oh uh that's a podcast theme podcast theme working on a video game where that teaches kids how to play piano which is really cool that's cool yeah writing a book which is like writing a book yeah which is like the most horrible thing someone can say to you because like because you're like no you're not you're really not you're like i have to act like i'm interested in someone's book but that's true i'm interested that you're writing a book yeah not necessarily in the book unless you tell me what it's about and i get interested but that's interesting i won't do that to you but yeah don't do that it's really nice music theory beat matching no it's like. It's like Nancy Drew, if everyone was really worried what was wrong with Nancy Drew.

It's like Nancy Drew on drugs? Yeah, but not literally. But yeah. Right. I was informed the other day that my main character is completely insane, and I hadn't actually realized that. I thought she was just dedicated. I thought they were just dedicated. That's interesting. So who's reading this book of yours and giving you feedback you know people floating about okay the mysterious this is why we say the mysterious

brake master cylinder oh my gosh people floating about always a surprise with you is it that could be well now i want to be more surprising but i don't know yeah well i mean the fact that you're writing a book and you're just letting people who float about read it is a surprise i mean i know the people here read this i'm on street corners being like hold on be surprised yeah you're like is this main character too dedicated or what do you think yeah right right so it's a mystery it's a series of mysteries yes oh wow it's a mystery well i know i'm just trying to tease here she goes around solving mysteries but writes down details that have no bearing on anything and starts freaking out about spiders and has a

group of first graders that she uses to do her detective work and run screaming through the streets and lies to everyone all the time it's like the best book i ever heard now that i say that yeah it doesn't sound bad actually no what age is nancy drew and uh in this book you're writing oh uh 36 wow okay but none of this actually matters like it does but there's's an overarching thing. Oh my gosh, this is actually like a goldmine here. I kind of want to read this now. Me too. How do we float about in your area? You are floating about in my area.

Let's get a manuscript. Oh gosh. Is this book going to get, are you going to publish this? Yeah, actually. I have someone who will read it and consider representing me. Awesome. Yeah. What's your deadline? I don't know. Uh-oh. I have someone who will read it and consider representing me. Awesome. Yeah.

What's the time? What's your deadline? Uh-oh. How does this work? Can you write? Do you have to get the rights to Nancy Drew, though, to publish a book about? Oh, it's not really Nancy Drew. It's just she solves mysteries and is apparently insane. You're just characterizing it.

Oh, I see. Yeah, I was just trying to make a Oh, I see. Comparison. Well, that's actually interesting. I'm glad. In a way. Yeah, in a way. In a way. From some angle.

What's interesting about it is that... He almost gave you a compliment. Nancy Drew was, you know, a teen, you know, in the book series, right? I guess so, yeah. And she ultimately grew up and had things happen in her life and she went to college. And so, the story arc of Nancy Drew follows Nancy Drew's growing up in a way. I feel like you're just reading chat GBT responses to us at this point. No, I'm not.

I'm not. I'm very familiar with Nancy Drew. I'm very familiar. I'm not, honestly, but I get the... I just knew it was a female, a young female detective or mystery solver. Right. That's as far as I went. Life is full of mystery.

True. And then she's 36 now. Or 37, as you said. I mean, that to me is like... It's not actually Nancy Drew, though, Adam. It's just a... He was just giving us something to hang on. I'm just trying to pin back to Nancy.

I mean, that's the hook. Yeah, man. Anything you know about Nancy Drew, it would probably just help me. Does this pin back to Nancy? He said so. It's like a Nancy Drew. It's a series of mysteries there's a spider that keeps repeating why is the spider repeated is this like a real spider like a monster is it it's a real spider

it's okay so it's plausible fiction oh yeah there's a there's a actual reason for it but everything appears supernatural it's the case of the repeating spider and then the mystery of the missing missing arm and what's your intended audience age like is this for adults is for young adults i swear a lot a lot otherwise it would be you know kids could read it but could you release two editions one for everybody i've actually thought about that because i would enjoy reading this aloud to some kids but yeah just no so why is your protagonist an insane person god i didn't know she was insane okay she's me to a very large extent okay interesting i mean i would definitely i would read this i'll send you some. Okay. Sorry. No, don't be sorry.

Okay. Don't apologize yet. Wait till I read it. Yeah. I had to research social security fraud a lot for this. Does that give you any? Don't give a sense, man. I want the mystery to be fresh.

I don't want to have any sort of preconceived notions now. I can't imagine a world in which a repeating spider would have a natural explanation. So I'm very curious even better is this is something that happened to me it's not even like there was a repeating spider and i couldn't figure out why it was repeating and then i found out and blew my mind wow i don't understand repeating spider like literally yeah i'm just being vague you kept seeing the same spider there's a dead spider on the second floor of a building, and I flicked it down to the first floor,

and then later it was there again. It was like spiders are not supposed to repeat. Oh, I see. Oh, did you think there was maybe a glitch in the Matrix? Maybe you just went back. And she really doesn't like glitches in the Matrix. She wants everything to be orderly and make sense, or she loses her mind.

And in this case, there's a reason love it could be the mimic what's the mimic and the blood from the mimic and the blood from the mimic that was the premise for tom cruise's movie with emmy blunt live don't repeat oh yeah edge of tomorrow oh edge of one of the best science fiction movies ever i remember that one being really good definitely up there in my list yeah what other sci-fi movies do you like? Oh, gosh. Probably my favorite of all. Don't say Tenet.

Don't say Prime. Prime? Primer? No, Prime. Oh, is it Primer? The low-budget time machine in a box? Low-budget time machine is called Primer, but it's spelled Primer. Oh, my bad.

It's all right. No, but you can answer the question. We're just shouting bad movies. Yes. It's not even a bad movie. Oh my bad. It's all right. No but you can answer the question. We're just shouting bad movies. Yes. It's not even a bad movie. He's thinking. I mean there's just a list.

I mean it's a nonstop list. Okay. Okay. Give us a five. Top five. Interstellar is one. Tenet

two. Ready Player One three. Dune what's the movie there was a 2049 Blade Runner 2049. Three. Dune. What's the movie? There was a 2049, Blade Runner 2049. Oh, that was good. OG Blade Runner, of course.

Five. Are you going to count that as one? Blade Runner. I mean, they're together, basically. Sure. I'm impressed anybody who could pick up that franchise and make a movie that could. The Dennis guy. Yeah, that was a solid film there.

He also did the Dune movies you like. Same director. Yes. Well, basically anything Christopher Nolan does, I will watch. That was not the, obviously, director of that one, but I'll watch anything from him. Yes. And oddly enough, this is not science fiction. This is more horror.

Well, that's just a different category. Yeah, I'm just looking at the list is all. We can see. There might be some genre blitz. Let's hear it. Let's be some genre let's hear it let's hear it let's hear it this is where they say they're all gonna laugh at you in that funny voice from the movies uh megan honestly it's a really interesting ai you know present day i haven't seen her i mean it's an okay plot yeah you know what's an incredible sci-fi horror movie? It's Annihilation.

Oh my gosh, yes. The best. The song in there from Hall & Oates in there, though? I mean, just stellar. On point. Yeah, I think it's Hall & Oates. There's a lot of folk music, like folk guitar, which is really unnerving for some reason. And the ending music where, I won't give anything away, but Natalie Portman confronts the space melon.

That will haunt me until I die. That is incredible. You'll have to come to my house and watch it because that's where it's the best. Right. You said theater. You have a theater? Yeah, I have a theater in my house. And you'll love it.

Hell yes. I'm trying to find the song. There's a song that I'm trying to think of what it is. It's worth it. Okay. It's when he comes back and he's come up the stairs. That song. She's painting.

Oh, in the beginning. Yes, that song. You know far more about hollow notes than I do. I don't actually think it's hollow notes. That's why I'm really curious if I'm wrong because I don't think it is. All right, well. But I'm a big fan of Annihilation. I own it on 4K. If I own it on 4K, I'd love the movie. That's Hall and Oates. That's why I'm really curious if I'm wrong because I don't think it is. All right, well. But I'm a big fan of Annihilation. I own it on 4K.

If I own it on 4K, I'd love the movie. That's just how it works. Yeah, that's... Let me name a few sci-fi movies that didn't make your list, which maybe you'll have to add them as I say them. Okay. Because you left off some pretty good movies, although you can't name just five.

Who can do that? But for instance, you left off Terminator 2. Mm-hmm. You left off The Matrix. you left off the matrix you left off aliens you left off the original planet of the apes are these the ones that just go without saying because they're just so kind of but i said them there's a few you left off the list how about this one minority report that was an early movie obsession of mine that was so good yeah that was a good one spielberg yeah oh gosh i was so off sorry crosby stills and nash helplessly hoping i mean the harmony sorry to interrupt jared the harmony of that of those folks singing that track

they have good harmony so good what's the track called? it's called Helplessly Hoping pull it up on Spotify Helplessly Hoping and play it for us okay give me a second

Stalin BMC Stalin okay I tried to make it through that Stall on BMC. Stall on... Okay. I tried to make it through that. Gargling solo. A for effort. Thank you. Oh, yeah.

Right? That was so good. Yeah. Such was so good. Yeah. Such a good track. The harmonizing is where it's at, you're right. This is the only real track, like real song in the whole movie. Everything else is like made for this movie soundtrack. It's like acoustic guitar, which is totally opposite What's happening on screen And it feels good

And then there's the space melon music Which is terrifying Space melon Yeah, when Natalie Portman gazes into the melon We have to have a Actually, how about this We'll come out of this show with a prescription The prescription is to go re-watch Annihilation

Or pick your favorite scene The ending scene when everybody gets enveloped, and make a Space Millen song for us. Those bass beats. Those bass notes. I mean, we'll have to suck in the audience into this one. That's what will happen. How terrifying does your show ever get, though, really? It might have to

get a little scary yeah we're gonna start fear mongering you know the ai is coming yeah yeah i mean people are kind of afraid right now honestly are they really i think so just in general or ai software developers you know our livelihoods are at potentially at stake you know people are getting laid off. They're getting told that they're going to be replaced by machines. I mean, I think that if there was a time of fear in the software developer community, this is probably the highest it's been. Because there hasn't really been a reason to be afraid of anything besides maybe the Y2K bug.

But not because of our podcast, though. They're not necessarily scared because of our shows. No. Not yet. I wasn't suggesting you were causing the fear. Yeah. You discuss the fear. You don't actively terrorize people. We don't fear monger.

No. Not yet. Not until you have the soundtrack. Oh, God. Well, so to go back, I did not mention The Matrix. I'm sorry. That is in my list on 4K. I was going with more modern, I suppose.

No, it's all good. We'll put you on the spot. I mean, there's too many good movies to just name five. Yeah, gosh. I mean, just so many. So many good movies. But yeah, The Matrix and Minority Report, I guess they also were kind of coming out when I was coming of age.

And so those take in my head as just like very, The Matrix is probably the most influential sci-fi movie I've ever seen where I still think about it. Ex Machina. Ex Machina is good. I like that. That's the Annihilation guy too. Yeah.

Everything he does is disturbing as heck. Yeah, that is disturbing. I am a fan of The Matrix, obviously, and I'm a big fan of Minority Report. I think that was a movie ahead of its time, honestly. For sure. You know what was good was Looper. Did you guys see Looper?

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. Maybe not top five, but good. I mean, if there's a time travel movie out there, I'm going to watch it. And that's not like your typical time travel movie, but there's time involved. And it's really interesting yeah i would say that i kind of get i get mad at time travel movies because it's so hard to get to do well and to do right and there's always like problems but looper actually has a pretty good

consistency to it yeah they don't bother explaining the mechanism too much which i like yeah exactly like it's not the main point it's just there it there. It's like a small little story, really. Exactly. It also happens to be true. Which you kind of have to do that because the more you make it about the time travel, the more you think about it, the more the concepts break down, you know? Yeah. There's still parts of Tenet I

cannot understand to this day. Are we sure that's a good movie? Which to me is a sign of a bad movie. Are we sure that's a good movie? This might be a is is a sign of a bad movie that's a good movie this might be you might i might pour you out into the trash oh oh no don't my sauce don't speak against the tenant i agree i watched it i did not understand it and then i went through the podcast with uh our heavy spoilers friend and adam and we talked about it and i came out thinking i don't need to think about that movie ever again.

Like, it doesn't really. Really? Yeah. What a shame, Jared. Nah. There's so many things to think about. Aren't there a lot of, like, plot twists that are obvious from the first second of the movie? That's what I seem to remember.

Well. I'm not here to rag on your movie you like. It's too deep to go into. It's got a lot of layers. I'm not saying it's the best movie ever, but it's definitely, when you compare time travel movies of all time travel movies, in my opinion,

that movie will go down in history as one of the most difficult to pull off and a masterpiece when compared to time travel movies. As a movie and plot, not absolutely the best movie ever, but really well done with time. You can't deny that from that movie.

I value your opinion and assessment. Oh, it's solid. I mean, they did a great job with it. I'll watch it again, because if you like it. Even from a shooting standpoint, a cinematography standpoint, it's super well done. A lot of detail. That is a good filmmaker.

I keep wanting something to top Inception, but I feel like that was. Inception was great. I feel like that movie gets ragged on a bit, but that was my favorite Nolan probably. I liked it a lot. Well, Memento for me is still his best,

but. Talk about good execution on a good idea. I mean, that was a good idea that's hard to pull off, and he pulled it off well. Seriously. Yeah. Yeah. That should be too hard to keep track of when you're watching it,

but you can just barely hold the thread. Yeah, I mean, you can follow it, though. They do a good job of just pulling you along. At the end, though though there's no resolution you know you kind of just like you're like where you began in a way yeah there's a realization yeah no i mean no resolution there's a realization of course you realize what's happening but there's no resolution to the challenge that he's dealing with right as a character like you're just gonna keep repeating. Exactly.

You kind of feel bad for him because it's perpetual. It's not going to end. Spoiler alert, by the way. Well, I don't think we spoiled anything, really. He's totally screwed. You just said there's no resolution. He's going to continue to live on with it. That doesn't describe anything, though.

If you watch the first 15 minutes, now you know what the problem is. And then you remember what Adam said. Now you know what the solution doesn't happen. But you don't know the details. I'm going to drop a spoiler horn is my point. Okay, drop a spoiler horn. I will. That's fine with me.

That's all. We need a mini spoiler horn because they're not always big spoilers. That reminds me. BMC made our spoiler horn for us. I know. Yeah, you did. You made us seven spoiler horns. Play that spoiler horn, Jared. Can you play you play i think i only use one of them like a klaxon or like a horn no we wanted to be like a uh it's

almost like here comes a steamboat like i actually can't play it right now because i'm i'm dialed into a different soundboard but you'll remember it when you hear it. It kind of sounds like here comes a giant freight boat. You know, it's going to hit a bridge. And there's like a stutter out. Is it foghorn? Well, there's like seven different versions. Yeah, kind of like a foghorn. OK, yes, I remember this.

I forgot that was the purpose. And then there's some stutter outs. There's some non-stutter outs. You just gave us different iterations. Yeah, that sounds right. Anyways, you've made so much music and sounds in your life, you can't even remember. But you've never made a book.

Is this your first book? Yes. So exciting. What inspired you to write a book? Why did you decide to do this? What the book is actually about is nothing I've hinted at, and I just had an idea like 10 years ago, and it's just been mulling in my head. And if I have an idea that sticks with me at least like three months, I will finally

just do it. And this was a little more complicated. So it took like 10 years. Okay. It's just anything I'm obsessed with and I'm obsessed with it. I do this all the time. I can't focus on anything but it when I'm walking around. So it just happens.

Love it. It's like a repeat spider, you know? You can't get rid of it. Yep. Yep. Just keeps coming back. Can't flick it away. I know.

All right, BMC. Well, if this episode of our podcast was an airplane in flight, I'm drawing a picture now. Okay. How would you, as the captain of said airplane, how would you land this plane gracefully? I don't know how to fly a plane. Do you know how to end a conversation? Sorry, both of you.

Because I apparently don't either. No, I don't know. You just make music and books, and you let us land podcast planes. Yeah, let neuroty podcast planes. Yeah. Let neurotypical people. We're typical people. No neurotypical people. Let them end.

Oh, I see. I couldn't conversations. Do your, do your audience identify as autistic? Would you say largely? Would our audience identify? Well, we can't identify a collective,

you know? Fair. It's like, but I'm sure there's probably autistic people in our audience as there are probably, I feel like the people that I know who are programmers there's definitely a higher percentage i believe of overlap there i think you're probably onto something cool adam you're neurotypical i think i don't know what that means exactly every time but can you can you land this podcast plane i can and i will okay i will land it by saying one two three four you are now in my trance

and this is the end of the podcast i'm just kidding uh that was actually a good line you have lyrics in this one drum and space i'll leave with that because that to me is probably one of the best recent beats you've made oh yeah, yeah. Drum in Space was pretty awesome. Have you seen this one yet, Jared? I think so. Does it say 1, 2, 3, 4? It does say that. Those are some lyrics, man.

1, 2, 3, 4. It took me about four seconds to write. I love that one. Yeah, I mean, it's just the best. I've been using that. So we're going to end it with that. Yeah. This is the new outro track for this track, at least.

We'll end this show with Drum and Space. There you go. Okay. Beautiful. So, bye. Thank you, BMC, for being the mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder, the beats freak in residence, the ultimate beat maker of all time, the sauce I pour on all my favorite podcasts,

the conditioner that we put on our episodes. You special three-in-one, you. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Shake you up and pour one you. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Shake you up and pour you out. Thanks everybody. Bye friends. Bye friends.

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I was kind of here for it. I was like, is he going to just end this by transifying all of us? I'm going to wake up and it's tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. You got to come for the surprise, you know? You can't come for the, what you know. It's better.