The Chaser Report - ABC's Nemesis, But Just The Good Shit | John Delmenico

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Dom Knight is joined by Chaser editor John Delmenico, who watched all 4+ hours of ABC's Nemesis, and has compiled all the best moments into one episode for you, so you don't have to watch all the boring shit. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Chaser Report is recorded on Gadigal Land. Striving for mediocrity in a world of excellence, this is The Chaser Report. Hello and welcome to The Chaser report with Dom and Charles, but no, Charles today. Instead, we have someone who knows what they're talking about. It is John Delmenico, editor of the Chaser, who's jumped in while Charles is on the way to Adelaide to do that Wankanomics show thing that he's doing. And John, you have subjected yourself to Nemesis, the ABC series about the Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison years. Welcome. I'm so glad you survived. Thank you. Yeah, I thought the one thing that I

needed more of in my life was Scott Morrison, Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott. And so now I can share it to everyone else who is smart enough to not put themselves through that. Yeah, because, I mean, Malcolm Turnbull regularly comments on anything. Anytime you want to comment, you just got Malcolm Turnbull. But Scott Morrison has been pretty quiet since announcing he's buggering off to the States. And Tony Abbott, let me get this straight. John didn't even want to comment on this, didn't you want to settle any scores? What's wrong with the man? Yeah, it was a weird choice. For some reason, he didn't want to get interviewed and then have his version of events directly compared to everyone else's version of events. Right, I'm

really surprised. Did they get Peter Credlin? No, the real leader of the little party at the time did not show up. Yeah, no, that's really surprising. She's commented on it extensively in other media, but very odd that the shadow prime minister didn't want to set her records straight. Australia's second female prime minister, from what I understand, John. Yeah, that was a main focus of the Tony Abbott era. Okay, well let's dive into all the gems that you've unearthed for us. I know you've got a whole bag of audio. It's a playback. So if you haven't watched Nemesis, and I'm in that category, I have to confess, although I'm sure I will in due course. Stand back because John has the highlights right after this. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most?

When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecues lit, but there's nothing to grill. When the in-laws decide that actually they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer. So download the app and get delivery in as fast as 60 minutes. Plus, enjoy zero dollar delivery fees on your first three orders.

Service fees exclusions and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Okay, John, so where does our story begin? All right, first, I want to say that this show was the peak of journalism, meeting, and entertainment. Really? Some have claimed that the Journalism fell to the wayside and the entertainment also fell to the wayside.

But I think there's nowhere else we can find scoops like this one. I walk in the door and I look at Pete and he said, mate, do you want something you eat? And I said, oh, mate, that'd be fantastic. He goes, there's some churnum or no there. Churnumor. I hate tuna. So I said, mate, you know what?

I might order some pears as well. What about that? Didn't want to offend him, of course, but I just can't do churn. Oh, John, that's extraordinary. A division over tuna Mordeaux in the coalition? Where else would you hear about the intricate details of the food being eaten while planning a spill than in this show? I mean, sure, the show didn't get into mentioning anything about like any of the roach, the defamation suits, the prayer room, the drought relief water that didn't exist or anything to do with like Scott Morrison's beef with Grace Tame. But they got to the real issue of the Tudor Mornay.

So there was no side eye, but there was a bit of a stink out of the tuna. The tuna got about as much airtime as Britney Higgins. Wow. Okay. So who are we hearing from there? I can't remember his name because I wrote down, I realized I wrote down the wrong politician, but it was one of the backbenchers who helped Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison, oh sorry, Scott Morrison and Malcolm Turnbull organized this bill against Tony Abbott.

Was it Craig Laundee? It sounded a little bit Laundie-esque. Made. Sound like someone who owns pubs, basically. So not only do we get great scoops like that, we also have great analysis from people who were inside the rooms at the time. Like the fact that basically every politician agrees on one thing, which is that they didn't make mistakes. And if there were hypothetical mistakes, it wasn't their fault.

Great. Barnaby Joyce gave us some real insight into how intelligence works. My personal views is people have three quadrants of their brain. They have academic intelligence, social intelligence and sporting intelligence. Did he just say three quadrants? Yeah, three quadrants. Famously, a division into four. I don't know what part of which other three quadrants caused him to think that there was three quadrants.

Yeah. Is there a fourth quadrant called alcohol? Is that what we're talking about? Did he give the interview from the Planderbox? Because that would have been very on message for this week. No, I think he might have done this while he was having the medication and just before he had the alcohol with him. Amazing.

So, I mean, that's relatively lucid for Barnaby. I love that sporting intelligence is like up there with everything else. Anyway, so there you go. There was one thing with Barnaby that I wanted to clip up, but it genuinely would have just taken up too long for a podcast. Oh, yeah. Which was at the start of every episode, they would be like, oh, give us a one word description of the part of the,

Prime Minister, and he would just give a full sentence, but he would just try to, he would like halfway through, realize he's supposed to give a word, so then he would speed up the rest of the sentence. He's not a man. You can't tell him what to say. People have tried for many, many years. I love that they went, okay, let's ask him just for a one word answer, because they probably knew that would give them, like, it'd be only five or six minutes, the answer, if they did that. The show itself, just like brains, split up into three quadrants. That's it. They started with Tony Abbott, then they went to Turnbull, and Morrison. So let's start with the Abbott episode. Yes, there's one episode per Prime Minister,

I guess. So like we said earlier, Tony Abbott refused to show up so we didn't get to hear his perspective on how things went down. That's a real shame. Yeah, I mean, I missed Tony, but however, we did get amazing insights from other people like this one. He didn't welcome my inquiries. What did he say? He generally told me to fuck off. Possibly not the first time Malcolm Turnbull's been told to fuck off. During his his long career in business and politics, John? No. And to be honest with you, I'd now think Tony Adams made the definite right call not to show up, because all we get is him telling a Malcolm Turnbull to fuck off, which makes him look great. I remember hearing a lot of stories

about when Brendan Nelson was opposition leader. Do you remember that before Turnbull's first time in the job? It was right after Kevin Rudd won. John Howard lost his seat, and they went with Brendan Nelson, the former health minister, as their leader. And apparently, Turnbull was in there basically constantly going, Brendan, Brendan, you're hope, plus you're stuffing it up. And the problem with Brendan Nelson was he didn't tell Turnbull to fuck off. So he didn't get to be Prime Minister. He just basically fell out of politics a few months later. Yeah, they did reveal that in the spill motion, the last signature for Turnbull's One had underneath it for Brendan Nelson. Oh, one person remembered Brendan. Yeah, someone held on to that grudge for years and a whole other

leader in between them and just use that as the last knife. That's extraordinary. Okay, I would love to know who that was. Anyway, the ghost of Brendan Nelson remembered by one person in the party room. But of course, there was the main shocking revelation that was most of the episode that Peter Credlin secretly ran the show. No. I know, shocking.

And that the attempt to make the public think that Peter Credlin was no longer running the show after the empty chair spill was also just Peter Credlin again. that all the meetings that are having with the backbenchers to be like, oh, we're bringing in the whole party now, that all those meetings were orchestrated by Peter Credlin and she was the chair of those meetings. Right, so when we were talking about Peter Credlin being the real Prime Minister during the Abbott years,

that was not an exaggeration. That was actually entirely confirmed by nemesis. Yeah, they even acknowledged that she would apparently yell at the back benches to stay in their place, despite the fact that she was not in her place. That's extraordinary. Well, I mean, to be fair, it's probably to her credit that Abbott lasted for nearly two years, right?

I mean, he probably would have been gone in a month otherwise. Yeah, and she got him into the job as well. Like, she did an amazing job pretending to be Tony Abbott so that Tony Abbott could win. She deserves the credit. I don't quite understand why if Peter Kredlin was really the Prime Minister, he named that first cabinet, which I only had the one female member. Do you remember Julie Bishop, who was there because she was the deputy?

Do you think he basically said, if I can't have Peter in the cabinet in a sort of Scott Morrison-style multiple roles, I'm not having any woman. No, yeah. They did show an old clip of him saying that he was very disappointed that the cabinet only had one woman. Sure.

As if that wasn't his choice. Look, John, I don't know whether you've ever tried to operate a meritocratic process and be entirely fair and something, oh no, what a pity there are no women. That's what happened to Tony. I mean, that's why he had to be minutes of women.

He didn't want to be. He knew from the cabinet process, John, that there was a terrible dearth of senior women in the Liberal Party and the best way to fix that was for him to be the minister for women. He stepped up where no woman was allowed to. And look what's happened now. There are at least like a handful, right?

That's all thanks to Tony. He doesn't get the credit. But there was also another big focus of the lies that Abbott told about the first budget, where just before the election he announced no cuts at all and no higher taxes and then immediately went back on that. And that did lead to a massive revelation about Wyatt Roy. And I said what we should kind of do is what we, in Queensland, called do a Peter Beatty. Front up, say, this is what we've got to do. I'm sorry that

this is the case and get about fixing it, which the public really respects that honesty and directness. And unfortunately, you know, the Prime Minister, Tony Abbott saw that as a very personal attack, had a very visceral and angry response. He sort of smashed his hands on the table and said, we can't admit that we fucking lie. There's been no fucking lies in this. That's extraordinary. I talked about this actually recently on the podcast, John. Peter Beattie constantly went up and said It's all my fault I'm sorry

I had to do this I have no don't blame them blame me and people loved him for it Albo could have done that Yeah

With a third three Yeah That was a weird thing Where Albo just refused To take it Where I'd be like Oh yeah Things are different now

We made a bad call We're changing it Boom good But we can also See from there Why Wyatt Roy is no longer a politician In Federal Politics

He didn't understand What Albo does Which is that You can never be Like you can never just front up. That's so fun. Obviously, like, Wyatt Roy, just an amazing character clearly shown from this.

And he wouldn't try to get one over anyone. Also, congratulations to Wyatt Roy, who recently announced that he is the new head of innovation at Neum working on the line. I know. This is our favourite thing we've ever talked about in the podcast. I didn't know if you were aware of that. I was going to mention it.

You might have heard the multiple episodes we've done about the Saudi plan. So I think it's 150 kilometers, the skyscraper there building in the desert, all in a straight line, White Roy is running that. And when it fucks up and the construction goes incredibly over time and there are human rights failings, white Roy is going to get in front of the cameras and say, it's all my fault. I'm very sorry. I had no idea of knowing that a Saudi run massive project would involve human rights violations. I'm so shocked. Anyway, there you go. He's got a big job. And funny, he was a, wasn't he a teenager at the time? He was in the Abbott government.

Yeah, and I wonder he was so naive to think that federal politicians would be honest with their constituents. How funny. Okay. Glad that Wyatt's come out of the woodwork, though. Good on you, Wyatt. You should come on the podcast and tell us about Neum. I'm sure I won't be at all creepy. That could be the next sponsor for the podcast. Oh, so good.

All right, love it. Well, there you go. Good to hear from Wyatt, if not Tony Abbott. What else happened in the Abbott episode, John? Yeah, the other obvious big thing was that there was a leadership spill against Tony Abbott. Yes. And the main revelation from the leadership spill was that Tony Abbott's plan to stop the spill from happening was calling up Scott Morrison the night before.

inviting him to his office and offering him the role of deputy leader. Wow. Like, wanting Scott Morrison to challenge Julia Bishop for the role. And again, something, that monumental effect, you need the great analysis of the people who were there. So here is Scott Morrison's main takeaway. I went back to my office with a friend and I had a curry that night. Classic Scomo.

Right on brand. So, okay, so Tony Abbott's solution to the fact that the Liberal Party was about to elect an empty chair instead of him as later. And this is because I think Turnbull's a minister so he didn't want to run against, he didn't want to show his hand initially, right? Was to go to Scott, was to dump the one woman that he had and to go to Scott

Morrison, the man who famously subsequently, as I'm sure is revealed in the Turnbull episode, you don't trust if there's a leadership coup in the win, right? So this was, sorry, to clarify, this was the second spill, not the chest. Okay, so this is one that actually got rid of

Yeah, he's also, yeah, but he's playing didn't make any sense, because the reason he chose Scott Morrison was because Scott Morrison was helping Turnbull with the knifing. Right. And he was helping him do all the numbers. And it's like, but why would Scott, like, Scott Morrison wanting to get rid of you, he would still be the deputy leader if you're gone anyway? Yes. Because like, that would just be, hey, the person you want to become prime minister, do you want to be his deputy? Absolutely. Basically saying, hey, Scott, why don't you knife me in a few months, right? So this is after he'd already lost to the empty chair. At point.

at which everybody understood that it was terminal, apparently, except Peter Credlin, right? Well, that's where Peter Cretlin has an amazing idea of pretending that she was no longer running the show. How funny. Okay. Instead of just not running the show anymore. Now, I think it's time we should move over to the Malcolm Turnbull era. Yes, okay.

Let's just take a moment. After this, the Turnbull era, brief and glorious as it was. What's better than a well-marbled rib-eye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled rib-eye sizzling on the barbecue. that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well marbled ribby you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool. Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered. Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders.

Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over deliver. The Chaser Report. Now with Extra Whispers. Okay, John, so this is episode two, the Turnbull. how long was it a couple of years? It felt like a blink of an eye in hindsight. Yeah, it was a bit of a short run

and he bragged about how much it did in that short run a lot. But I want to make something clear to the audience right now because I haven't made many jokes about knifeings yet. And that's because, as Turnbull described in this episode, these aren't just leadership spills. They are something far worse.

This is madness. He agreed it was madness. I said this is terrorism. Terrorism. Terrorism. Malcolm Turnbull is a terrorist. I remember here. this phrase from Turnbull at the time,

not acknowledging that he had done it himself, right, to Brendan Nelson and to Tony Abbott. Yeah, well, you know, terrorists know when terrorists are being terrorists. So he could tell that there was terrorism a foot against him. Look, once you've been part of a terrorist plot, John, you can smell it in the air, can't you? How fascinating so, in this exercise of introspection, I gather that all that they've done, the ABC,

is basically, it's the enough rope trick, right? keep the cameras rolling, and at some point Malcolm Turnbull is going to accuse others of terrorism while not acknowledging having done exactly the same thing. Presumably, as with the standard narrative, in his view, he was a freedom fighter who liberated Australia from Brennan Nelson and Tony Abbott. Yeah, he was the hero. He referred to himself as the young hero. Of course, amazing.

So one of the focuses on the Malcolm era was a client policy called the Negg that never saw the light of day in the house of residence. The worst acronym ever. Like, for something you're trying to get pulled to be able to. It's literally negging the National Energy Guarantee, wasn't it? Yeah, and there were people in the clips who clearly understood that other people would be like, oh, the neg show up for negative. And they were like, no, that's not what it means at all. If anyone says that, it's a lie.

But Turbo made something very clear, which is that they never dropped the neg. Now, we didn't drop the neg. People have said we did, we did not drop the neg. We quite specifically said it was government policy, but we were not going to put it into the house this week, where we could not be confident that we would get it passed. So it was no more than a tactical retreat. Okay, all right. Look, he wrote an incredibly long book,

I think the bigger picture, whatever it was called, presumably also arguing in thousands of pages of detail that he didn't chicken out on the knee. He just postponed it and then never postponed it. Yeah, and to be fair to his colleagues, I think everyone understands that the main reason they dumped him was because he wanted to do stuff on climate. There you go, Malcolm, you were dumped for the right reason in your colleagues.

So it turned out being on the moderate side of the Liberal Party and beating out Tony Abbott using the conservative vote from the little party sort of meant that his main supporter base weren't agreeing with him on a lot of issues. No one could have predicted that happening. Well, that was the bizarre thing about the second Turnbull kind of leadership, right? Like the first one, he gets rid of Nelson and he tries to. to use his popularity, and he was very popular at various points. He tries to use his popularity to get up all these moderate things, and then he gets knifed by the conservatives, and they

put in Tony Abbott. And the second time around, he's like, okay, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to make the same mistake as I did last time. I'm going to do a deal with all the conservatives, and I'm going to sign the coalition agreement with the nationals and agree not to do all these things and not to do same-sex marriage and tread carefully in climate, all these things, and basically cut out the very reasons of his popularity with the electorate, why they put him in the first place. So he basically says, and he basically said, and sealed his own doom by trying not to be doomed like last time. So you have to hand it to Malcolm Turnbull. He found a completely different way to be doomed from the beginning of his leadership

the second time around. Yeah, he was an innovator in that field of completely screwing up your own politics. Oh gosh. Now, the other big focus of the Malcolm Turnbull episode is the allegation from many in the party that Malcolm Turnbull is a two-faced bully. Now, I don't know if this sounds like the Malcolm Turnbull we all know, but also just completely side note, here's a clip of his reaction to finding out that three people are changing away from him, which caused the spill that led to his demise. God, Matthias has put on a lot of weight, you know, since 2018. Ouch.

Does that sound like someone who would throw random jabs at people and just try to constantly take shots at them when are necessary? Gosh, why wasn't Malcolm Turble in the new Mean Girls sequel? That's quite one from The Burn Book I mean, we can't all drink slimming tea all the time Malcolm It is weird because Malcolm Turnbull really tries to paint himself as the victim and everything But also like the ABC didn't try to edit him in a way that makes him look bad Because there's a lot of the stuff where I was like

The things will be later proven like an hour later in the episode But I was just like, oh he's a bully and he'd be like No, I'm not And then way late he'd be like oh it's gotten fat At one point he got mad about the politician who ran The same-sex marriage stuff within the liberal party and said he was ungrateful because Malcolm Turnbull took away

the final speech of acknowledging who won? So he was like oh wow, so ungrateful that he didn't like me taking all the credit for his work. Malcolm Turnbull's been running the line that he's the father of same-sex marriage in Australia. For many, many years now, kind of glossing over

the issue that actually he wasn't. He was the father of getting the Australian voters to be the ones who chose same-sex marriage. Anyway. Now, before we go into the Scott Morrison years, I want to do a fun quiz with you. Okay. Because obviously all these politicians on Nemesis are perfect

sources for information, so I want to see whether you know the truth of what really happened. So I'll ask you a question and then give you the source, and you need to tell me what they said. Okay. So the first question, according to Malcolm Turnbull, who came up with the idea and orchestrated the plan for Malcolm

Turnbull to knife Tony Abbott? Oh, I'll assume he's not going to take credit for it himself. Scott Morrison Correct Really It was all Scott Morrison No part of it was

Malcolm Turnbull I can just imagine Malcolm sitting back going Gee shucks Do you think I've got leadership qualities Are you sure? You think I'm the obvious man for the job Really?

As he He did say they had a meeting So Scott Morris described it As a meeting and going Oh I think the budget call Was a bad call from Tony Abbott And Malcolm was like Oh he was basically

pushing me to be the next leader. How extraordinary. And it was basically forcing it. And then he did all of it. And Scott Morrison's like, no. And it's weird because it's weird to believe Scott Morrison on something. Well, this is the man who constantly went during the period on Q&A with his leather jacket, right? This is the guy who's basically branding himself as much as he could.

And the feud between Abbott and Turnbull is just, it goes back to university. It's hilarious. The fact that Abbott gave, and presumably Kredlin, gave Turnbull the job of slowly dismantling the NBN when he was the guy who was involved in Aussie mail and getting the internet there in the first place in Australia. What an amazingly slow burn

shit sandwich that was. Yeah. So from there, next slow burn shit sandwich. Question two. What was the downfall of Malcolm Turnbull's prime ministership according to Barnaby Joyce? According to Barnaby Joyce. Oh, well, Barnaby Joyce is a massive narcissist. I'm going to assume

that it was the bong ban. Very, very close. Specifically, he said that it was because he criticised Joyce publicly for the affair with the staffer. Oh, wow. So it was that part.

So it wasn't the ban. It was a bit where he said, Barnaby shouldn't have impregnated his staffer. I mean, it's kind of, you know, Office O H and S 101, isn't it? You generally, the boss doesn't approve of you knocking up one of your staff when you hadn't disclosed the relationship at all.

Well, Joyce did admit at one point that he was approached about it. And he just lied. Of course. It's like it was none of that. I remember him being all self-righteous about it now. Yeah, it was none of your business. None of your business.

Who I have babies with who's in my office. Yeah, absolutely. So speaking of the bonk ban, according to Barnaby Joyce, who came up with the bonk ban and why? Oh, I reckon. Well, it's a highly kind of religious. It was really grounded. I remember Turnbull quite uncharacteristically seemed very kind of moralistic about it.

And you've got to remember that, I mean, part of this is just a whole affair. and all that, which is, you know, in his private life. But then it's also, but it's his employee, right? This is the thing. It's someone who works for him as a public servant. And generally, that's not a sort of pimping role, right? Generally, public servants aren't hired for the sexual convenience of the boss.

I reckon it's Morrison. I reckon Morrison's the one who went, you can't have an affair. Okay, and why? Because Hill Song. Okay, you're one for two there. According to him, it was Scott Morrison. Yes. But the reason was to sabotage Malcolm Turnbull.

Really? Yeah. So Malcolm Turnbull claims that he created the Bonk band, and Scott Morrison claims that Malcolm Turnbull created the Bonk band, and he just loved it because of the Hill Song Star. How funny. But no, Barnaby Joyce knows the truth. It was a secret plot to oust Barnaby Joyce

so that Scott Morrison could become Prime Minister. You know what? At this point, I believe anything of these guys. Yeah. And so, well, like, there was a whole thing as well during the Malcolm Turn... Like, Malcolm Turnbull stuff where Turnbull claimed that, like, Scott Morrison rigged the first spill that Malcolm Turnbull called so that Turnbull would win, so that Scott Morrison could then come in a

couple days later and win it all, despite the fact that no one in the party room, according to everyone else in the party, knew that Malcolm Turnbull was going to call that spill. He brought it on very quickly, didn't he, to try and nip it in the butt. He was very brave about it. So clearly, Scott Morrison has psychic powers and knew that Malcolm Turnbull was going to do that, and then organise the giant plot so that He, Turnbull would win the spill so that Turnbull would then lose a spill later on. This is the thing I'm most curious to know about, John, after you've watched all the episodes.

All this Machiavellian shit and knifing and backstabbing and all that, are any of them actually good at it? We learnt during the Labor version, during the killing season, no, they're absolutely shit at it, right? Yeah, no. They're all the terrible jobs with it. They knife a leader to try and win an election, and it massively backfires almost immediately,

as she says, moving forwards 30 times the one press conference and barely wins the election. This is the thing, and I get it from the Labor riot as well, with this whole kind of Machiavellian, whatever it takes thing. It's one thing if it works, but basically, isn't it, aren't they just all incredibly bad at plotting coups? Like, the CIA wouldn't hire any of them. Well, apparently, like for one of the plans, they went out and bought a projector. I started projecting it on a wall, which then meant that everyone found out what the plan was. Also, because they did that in the office across from Malcolm Tamble's main, like, person, Chris Pine.

Wow. So, the last question, according to Scott Morrison, who is not to blame for him going to Hawaii during the bushfires? Scott Morrison. Okay, play the clip. Because Prime Minister, you don't blame your staff. Well, that's generous. I mean, didn't he end up pinning the whole thing on Jen and the girls, actually, in hindsight?

Yeah, and that's not blaming the staff. Okay, fair enough. Good on your, Scott. And to be fair to Scott, he did admit at that point that he could have handled the media part better. Sure, it was the optics. He was a bit clumsy with the media, was his phrasing of it. So, you know, no regret for

going to Hawaii, just he could have hit it better from the media. Sure. So now we should move into the Scott years. Yes. And so, obviously, one of the main focuses was the Hawaii trip. And we found out that fucking off to Hawaii during bushfires,

it's not the only problem with what he did. There was one other thing as well. Tid says, yeah, well, He's hopped on a jet star. And I said, right are you two? Enough. Number one, half of Australia is on fire. He wouldn't be going to Hawaii.

Two, no prime minister of this country flies jet star. That actually, you know what? That's probably the best thing. That's the thing I most admire about Scott Morrison, about his whole prime ministership, is that he didn't use the official jet. He just traveled on a jet star flight to Hawaii like every other bogan from the Shire.

That is worthy of you. kudos. Skimo, well done. Yeah, that guy makes a great point as well. What's the Prime Minister doing on a jet star flight? You'd want to go with a slot, like, one of the least reliable airlines. That's true. And I mean, obviously a massive security risk as well. With the AFP travelling next to him, what the hell happened with that?

Also, I wonder how it got leaked. I wonder how it got leaked before he made it to Hawaii, that he was on a plane to Hawaii. Well, presumably every other person on the Jetstar flight was like, Scho, mate, what are you doing? You got a selfie with the guy. What a perfect plan? Do you reckon he paid, do you reckon he paid for meals?

I reckon he didn't. No, of course. He snuck on a bag of chips from macas. We know he loves his Macas. Like, there was a part as well where Malcolm Temble was like, you start, like, it was like, why did no one tell him no? Because he was like, because he made the point that Peter Creadlin and his chief of staff, both would have been like, what the fuck are you doing?

Do not get on that fly. But clearly Scott Morrison's team was like, I reckon you can do it. I mean, Scott Morrison reckon he could do a lot of things when he was prime minister, including everybody's job for them. So they barely touched Robo Dad at all. Like, they had one throwaway line during the Tony Abbott episode, and that was here. So the other big Scott Morrison thing was obviously his issue with women, which all the women in the little party denied it happened,

but clearly at least a bit there was a perception that he had a problem with women. Well, this is good for Turnbull, isn't it? He had the least problem of women of those three prime ministers. I guess that's something. The absolute low bar being less sexist than Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison. Congratulations, Malcolm. Put that in your next book. During this part, Scott Morrison did admit that he made one mistake during his entire prime ministership.

Just the one. What do you reckon that's really hard? I reckon it was the time he didn't cook the chicken in the curry. No, I think he'll never admit that. Well, something that involves women. I don't, I'm absolutely baffled by this. It was something he said. He's as a father's speech.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Now, clearly, Dom, what's wrong with that? speech? He didn't have the two girls standing next to him at the podium. You're honestly not, you're on the right track of it not being what's wrong with the speech. So here's the clip. Do you understand why many women found that statement a little concerning? I didn't at the time. I was quite puzzled by it. And I actually regret saying it because frankly, probably I should never have disclosed what Jenny and I talk about.

And I, you know, I didn't want to bring Jenny into that. I was just, it was a very vulnerable and raw moment. The problem with that speech is bringing up Jenny. I mean, it wasn't a good bit. Yeah, the private part of the... Bring out the private conversation part is the only flaw with that, with saying that the problem with covering up an alleged sexual assault is that you might upset the person's dad.

Yeah. No, there wasn't much good about that. But it's certainly, look, I think if what he takes from all of this is that he shouldn't constantly bring his wife and daughters as a justification for all the things that he did, Yeah, fair point. And to be fair, he's never used them to defend Engadne. I think we've all learned some very valuable lessons about politicians here

that you just wouldn't get without watching, like, over four and a half hours of politicians talking to the ABC. And clearly, the problem, I think, with politics is us. You know, Scott Morrison kept talking about how, like, the shooting, we didn't shoot the women, and the, Malcolm's a great guy, a heavy support, was all just the public misinterpreting things. I see. And obviously we misinterpreted Peter Credlin's role in running the party. We misinterpreted Malcolm Turnbull with Kim taking credit for everything and taking pot shots of people. Where the problem? Well, in a way, John, there's something to that. I was reading this morning, this is the fourth time the ABC's done this, right? It started with Labor in Power and they got Hawking Keating absolutely just smashing each other.

The Howard years, that was the one moment of stability in my entire life, right? I'm 47. The only time this country has ever had a moment when there wasn't just massive knifeings going on was during the Howard period. But then during the killing season and this, yeah, we keep electing people who are sociopaths, who backstab each other all the time. What are we doing, John? Why can't we vote the people who actually have some sort of loyalty and kindness to each other? Or do those people just not become politicians? Those are the ones who get backstabbed. You don't get anywhere by helping people. You know what this reminds me? The most insightful thing that is. that you've brought to us for the whole of Nemesis

is the little moment on a ballot paper when somebody said, for Brendan. Nice guys finished last. Also, if anyone who says we want to read an actual, like, review of the entire series, not the clips, but also just like actually thought out stuff.

We'll be, while you're listening to this right now, there will be a review up on the Chaser website that you can read of a full-on breakdown of the series. Thank you, John, for your service. In many ways, it exceeds several of those prime ministers at this point. I was hoping that me watching terrible stuff would stop when I became editor. Nope, it's the sort of promotion where you have to do this shit work.

I'm sorry, John Delmenicoe, there, editor of the Chaser, you can read his review of Nemesis atchaser.com.a.u. Our gear is from Rode. We're part of the Iconiclass network, and we'll catch you next time. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most, when your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecues lit, but there's nothing to grill, when the in-laws decide that actually they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer, so download the app and get delivery in as fast as 60 minutes. Plus, enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees exclusions and terms apply.

Instacart, groceries that over-deliver.