The Chaser Report - BrexitBall | Henry Naylor

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

A Pom tells two Aussie's that they aren't so bad at cricket after all. Dom and Charles chat with British comedian Henry Naylor on the state of The Ashes, and find out how it's a lot like Brexit.Apolog...ies for poor audio quality. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Chaser Report is recorded on Gatigal Land. Striving for mediocrity in a world of excellence, this is the Chaser Report. Hello and welcome to the Chaser Report with Dom and Charles. And today, Dom, we have a mortal enemy in our midst. I cannot believe you invited an Englishman aboard the podcast. It's Henry Naylor, live from the UK. Hello, Henry. Hello, boys. How are you?
Starting point is 00:00:28 Good. More importantly. How's the weather? It is disgusting. It's throwing it down with rain. It looks, well, it is in London, but apparently the whole of Britain is going to be under some sort of biblical deluge
Starting point is 00:00:42 for the next five days. So I think this is looking like a drawer, unfortunately. Either that, or it's going to be very sneaky of us because we'll have arranged sort of seeming conditions. So Jimmy Anderson, octogenarian bowler. So that should be quite good. Now, as we record this, Australia has just lost the toss again, and he's going into bat more in a moment.
Starting point is 00:01:06 So it's poised. You were saying you were very tense, Henry. Is that because you accept that an Australian victory is almost inevitable in this series? We've already won the winners. I have to say, I have to say, your team is very good. I'll tell you what, but I think this is. Sorry, sorry, can I just interrupt you there, Henry? Like, we're just to introduce Henry a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:01:28 You came once with the Barmy Army. For you to admit any fault with the English side or even worse, like success by the Australian side is a massive thing. That's absolutely huge. The heart and soul of all things, Barmy. Yeah, it's sort of like, I kind of feel like, is this some sort of post-Brexit depression or something like that? Like something that is, are you all right?
Starting point is 00:01:56 Well, I can't argue with the fact that you are world test champions. I mean, I know if we're playing the game of who's the best aside, I can't win if you play that card. But, well, and also actually the balmy army, in fairness, they know deep down, they're a bit shit. You know, we come out to Australia every winter, every sort of four years, rather, to see us getting trounced five-nil. or last time we actually celebrated
Starting point is 00:02:28 because we got a fluky draw in one of the games so you know I think I think there's something that I mean I think there's something quite revealing about the way the two countries follow sport because I think in you know a lot of Barmy army fans are football fans
Starting point is 00:02:44 and I think sort of if you are a football fan in the UK you're used to losing because there's only two or three teams that win all the trophy and if you support one of the other 18 clubs, you're just turning up just to, just for entertainment. And I think that happens with cricket. We turn out knowing we're going to lose, but what we do do well is we amuse ourselves when things are going badly by inventing silly songs. And I think, to be honest, in the world of sport, we're pretty rubbish of the UK, but what we're good at is singing songs
Starting point is 00:03:18 about, let's say, how porky the lead spin bowler or the captain is of Australia. That we always win out. That's true. But the thing is it has been a fascinating competition.
Starting point is 00:03:34 It's been so good. It's such a good series. So close the whole way through. Like, the idea, like, I would grudgingly admit that the English side has gone toe to
Starting point is 00:03:47 toe with the Australians the whole way through. The weird thing is we are playing like Australia do. Normally England is sort of like quite defensive and sort of like going to, oh, they're going to get us out any ball. And you guys just came over and smack us all over the place. And the thing I find
Starting point is 00:04:03 really extraordinary as well is a player like Scott Boland, who pre-Basbore absolutely was running rings round England, but just by their sheer aggression, he's kind of thrown him off. And then That's all has been absolutely brilliant.
Starting point is 00:04:20 It's because England had the humility to put an Antipedean in charge, Brenna McCullough of New Zealand. And A, you're supposed to be fun, and B, you can play aggressively. I mean, what a revelation. And isn't Ben Stokes part Kiwi as well? But, yeah, it's not like Kevin Peterson. When Kevin Peterson play Fringham, he'd be like, my name is Kevin Peterson.
Starting point is 00:04:43 He doesn't be very English. But at least at Ben Stokes, he does sound like, Like, I am a bit of a fucking Jordan, you know. Yes, even that I was a kid. He's part married, I believe. But no, look, he's been incredible. I mean, single-handedly save them over and over again. It's been fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I was hoping it wouldn't be a whitewash because it is boring. The last few home summers where Australia has just won everything. It's been incredibly dull. India has managed to beat us. But other than that, it's awful. We want to have the contest. And I think, above all, we want to have the delicious moments. where we play hard
Starting point is 00:05:18 and the whole of England hates us and gets angry. That to me is what it's all about. That's as good as it gets, frankly. What happened with Johnny Burns? I do. Do you know, that happened, didn't it, at Lords, with the old Kerry run-out nonsense?
Starting point is 00:05:32 I mean, I don't know. It was legal, but it was legal in the same way that taking your sheep over Westminster Bridge is legal. You can do it, but nobody's done it since the 1200s. Well, I think Alex Carey, as part of the victory procession
Starting point is 00:05:48 that we should have in London this time should take a sheep across the bridge at Westminster I think the whole of London would love to see it and you should definitely do it. Yeah, look, it might not have been in the spirit of the game, but it's in the laws of the game. Who writes the laws of the game? The MCC from Lords.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So, you know, it's not as those... I'll tell you what, though. It's one of those things, isn't it, Dom? Do you not think that sort of you can... I reckon all players cheat to some degree. Totally. But if you get caught, I mean, I'm not saying that was a cheese. It was legal.
Starting point is 00:06:21 But, you know, the thing that kind of got me about it was, I don't like those little twists of the road. It's like man-cabbing. You know what I mean? If a player is at the sort of bowler's end and they're sort of backing up too far, the bowler can, instead of delivering the ball effect, a run out. It's legal, but I hate it. That's a degree worse than man-capping.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I mean, and best I tried to do the same things on multiple occasions and just missed. Yeah, yeah. This is what you're actually complaining about. The problem is that he missed. The Australians are too accurate in their stumping. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, to be honest. And then you're right.
Starting point is 00:06:59 As an English side, you wouldn't know because the last time anyone stumped, like any British wicket keeper stumped anyone was the 12th century. So I completely understand. Stombing is part of the rules of cricket. You are actually allowed to do it. Yeah, no, I mean, sort of like, I think you are allowed to do it. But it's that thing as well, the defences of this were things like every kid, everybody knows since you were 12 years old not to wander out of your ground and cricket.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And you think, yes, I know that. We know that. We used to do that when we were 12 years old. I don't do it in the test match, and it's really exciting. You know, I don't know. I mean, it did create a lot of, I mean, you know, you know, Now, I sent you guys some of the headlines away, and it was ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:07:48 It was like the death of Princess Diana. It was like pull-out supplements. I mean, Alex Carey, I think, popped it worse than the BBC presented. Yes. With an equally flimsy, but we all knew who Eric's Carey was. That was a difference. Yes. I mean, and I feel sorry for Kerry, actually.
Starting point is 00:08:11 I don't think he's played well since. And, you know, what we won't admit as Englishmen is what a boost it gave to us. We're all saying, oh, what a disadvantage it was. But Stokes had played terribly for about two years. And from that point on, he suddenly went, right. You know, he kind of got a bit red-faced and angry. And sort of like, I reckon Berto will come good at some point.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Berto is the sort of player that is just, he's just a grumpy old shit. He really is. And if you get him annoyed, he plays really well. So I'll take your word for it. I'll think he's saying. In what way, like... At cricket, a cricket, right.
Starting point is 00:08:54 He's going to be good at cricket. Okay. Maybe this is the test. Maybe this is the best I test to get a ton of both innings and accurately perform a stumping or a runner or a cat to him. But it's very poised.
Starting point is 00:09:07 I'm very glad in one that's the third test because we'd be talking about it dead rubber. at this play, which would be very boring, as much as it is enjoyable for us still to win five now. I totally agree. And I think Australian cricket needs a close series at home. Australia just so good that, I mean, you're right about the India series. That was a one-off.
Starting point is 00:09:28 No one's beaten Australia really for years, not since the Great West Indies. And I think as a result, it makes a dull cricket. You know, and I think tests don't seem to be as well attended in Australia. as certainly as the UK, I think, you know, one day is definitely, but I think I think what should happen in cricket is if you're a visiting side, you should, we should do away with a toss.
Starting point is 00:09:55 As a visiting side, you should choose what you can do. And then we'll get away with this. Well, well, do you know what I mean? Because like, I think sort of, I don't like, I mean England do it. When Australia comes there, we go, right, stick him up at, let's stick him up at Headingly. It swings around there.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Australia traditionally don't play very well on a swinging pitch. And it happens when we come to Brisbane. You know, we always lose the first test. We're always one-nil down before the series has started. Yeah, yeah. And I think it makes for a dull contest. I think we should do away with a toss. Let the visiting side choose.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And then I think we'll get a lot closer games across the world. It's the same. As an Australian, I object. You lose the game. It sounds sporting. It sounds a bit noble. And the interest of a fair contest that I think you'd sell it to Australian. If there are a way...
Starting point is 00:10:43 In principle, it's good. Like, I like the idea in principle. Is there a way we could rig it, though? Like, is there a way that you could sort of manned head? Like, for example, what we would do in Australia is we would excise the Australia, like the immigration zone from Australia, which I think we've already done. Yeah. And so we would be the visiting site.
Starting point is 00:11:09 Oh, we would be the visiting side, yeah, that's true. Yeah, well, because England did invade us. Like, essentially, that they are, like, who's the head of state? It's the fucking king of England. So, you know. We invaded everybody. In many ways, well, this is the thing that why the ashes is so enjoyable, I think, to this day, it's absolutely, and we saw this in the long room more than anywhere else,
Starting point is 00:11:34 particularly when Australia had the temerritin to select a Muslim player born in Pakistan, Muslim Kowajah. It's so much still about the upstarts who absolutely delight in beating this, you know, colonising slash mother country and in England not quite being comfortable with the notion of Australia still winning. The ashes itself, as I was saying the other day on the podcast, it's basically the notion of burning the bales is a monument to English petulance of Australia being good, having been an offshoot of England. You know, you could argue that all the victories are still the
Starting point is 00:12:09 kings. You know, in a sense, the king never loses the dashes. You know, I don't know, I'm sure we'll get rid of the king before you do, actually. I think, you know, but there's something, there's something I think quite nice about the carry row as well, in that it was sort of like in days of yore, Ingham being what it was, we expelled people for stealing a loaf of bread, seems pretty harsh. Yes. To be able to turn around and go, uh-huh,
Starting point is 00:12:39 we've got one over you, and we did it legally. It's quite fun, isn't it? That's true. Within your laws. Within your laws. Take that.
Starting point is 00:12:52 How was it perceived in Australia, that whole carry route? Was that a big deal? It was, because it was ridiculous. It was absolutely 100% if you're taking it to a jury, everyone would have said,
Starting point is 00:13:04 Australia did the correct thing, there is no issue at all. I think a few people were like, look, obviously it's not the greatest thing in terms of being sporting, but the guys are Wicked Keeper, it's and Ashes, running out. But also, can I just say, like the coverage also here, I think, was a little bit more scientific than the tabloids that you sent me, Henry. Because it was seeing, like, they, so they, they'd realize that Johnny Berstow was constantly walking out of his crease after each ball, right? And so Steve Smith had wandered over to Alex Carey a few balls before and said,
Starting point is 00:13:43 hey, have you noticed this, right? But de facto captain of the team, let's be honest. Yeah. The tactical brain. And then it happened. Alex Carey saw it. It was within 0.74 of a second that he received the ball, that he threw it back. So it wasn't like...
Starting point is 00:14:03 Oh, no, no, no, yeah, no. It wasn't like, oh, it was over and, you know, everyone was wandering around and suddenly it was out. It was like really fucking quick. Like, he should have been in his crease and fuck him. I love the footage of Ferstow stopping someone who just slightly lifts his foot. Like, he's in his crease. He lifts his foot off the ground for a second.
Starting point is 00:14:26 And he's like, boom. Yeah. Got you. So, you know, it is kind of. But, like, I think the, I mean, we do have tabloids. We do have Murdoch media. It's not as frenetic, I don't think, as it gets in the UK. I think it's a whole other level.
Starting point is 00:14:40 And I'm going to boast of this again. I've already done it on the podcast. My greatest achievement, I think, in my life is getting blocked on Twitter by Piers Morgan over this. Pears who was saying, every Australian knows it's wrong. And I was like, yeah, let's take ethical advice from this guy and put a link to all of his stuff as editor of the son. We clearly knew about bonnackle.
Starting point is 00:15:02 I got blocked. I'll tell you, everybody in England will support you for that as well. I mean, that's the way of bringing the nations together. The Chaser Report, news you can't trust. It certainly did make it much sweeter peers Morgan draining on and on about it. That's true. They did make everyone in Australia just go, oh, right, it was the right decision. I mean, our Atherton on the commentary was, Mike Atherton, very sensible fellow.
Starting point is 00:15:32 It was like, no, they, well, wasn't there right. Yes, those are an idiot. I think that's a saying agreed as well. Just looking at the actual footage in the context of the game, but then it became a question of national pride. And that's a tough issue in England recently, right? And this is where I wanted to go with this conversation, which is Nick Bryant, friend of the show,
Starting point is 00:15:55 did this wonderful piece for The Guardian the day after that incident, And sort of talking about how Bazball itself is very much this sort of sound and fury game that isn't really that effective. And it's very, he called it Brexit Bull. He had this idea that actually at the end of the day, it's this sort of brash thing that's supposed to be the saviour of Britain. But they keep losing.
Starting point is 00:16:26 But they sort of like, you know, they lost, but they didn't lose. because we'll just shift reality and pretend that we won because Basball was great, and it was a great contest, but we actually lost. But don't worry about that because it's like Brexit. Is that fair? Like, you must be in a pile of shit. Like, Brexit's a fucking nightmare, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:16:49 Oh, it's ridiculous. I mean, sort of it's just choosing to be irrelevant. I mean, it's just sort of like, you know, as part of the European Union, you're one of the biggest economic blocks in the world and we just turned our back on it and just sort of like, go, no, we can do it on their own. Look, we've got a great deal with Tuvalu.
Starting point is 00:17:09 We can trade in fish with Tuvalu and stuff like that. And, you know, it's disasters. And one of the things that I've noticed here, certainly, there was big, you go to the supermarkets and the shops, the shelves aren't this full. And that's all to do with sort of like import, duties and you know inflation's bad in this country and um but i don't what i don't understand is why one of the political parties over here one of the major ones isn't going we will come
Starting point is 00:17:41 we will go back to the european union because i think it was so wrong it was such a marginal decision it's only about two percent thin it and um the scottish referendum you had to have a 60 40 split to change the constituency but with brexit it was 50 50 50 and it had such a major change. Why didn't it, and was so disruptive, why didn't it have to be a bigger majority? Well, so having a lot of the people who voted for it now died. The old people voted for it.
Starting point is 00:18:12 And obviously they were the most affected pipe because the economy tanked and non could afford, you know, healthcare or whatever. So, yeah, kind of, I wonder if they did the poll again where it would go. But isn't it enormously unpopular now? Like, isn't it the case that if they held the referendum tomorrow, there is no chance that Brexit would happen. I think that's probably right. And
Starting point is 00:18:34 I think it will be a very popular political move. I mean, you know, if Labour wanted to guarantee getting it in the next election, I think they should just do that. I think sort of, because they would they would steal I think a lot of, because the Tory party was kind of split 50-50
Starting point is 00:18:50 on sort of Brexit. They would steal a lot of Tory votes. Yeah. How many hell did I just shut it up? But Cameron was very arrogant because, like, what had happened before, Cameron, there was a big debate on whether we, which is, God, this is getting quite serious. It's better when we're talking about sheep going over Westminster Bridge, isn't it? I'll tell you this one quickly. The thing about Cameron was he won a referendum, which everybody thought was going to lose over proportional representation.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Right. You know, there was a big majority in favour of going to proportional representation. and he won that and there was another one oh the Scottish referendum it looked like they were going to lose that but he got his way there and I think he thought
Starting point is 00:19:36 oh we well we'll just happen with Europe as well and they didn't campaign properly and I think there's it's quite murky there's a lot of talk about Russian bots and how the democracy which is sort of like a Russian bot
Starting point is 00:19:51 just in turn away isn't he's basically lying And he lied over sort of like, you know, he had a campaign bus saying if we moved out of Brexit, spend an extra $15 billion on hospitals. And it was just a lie. And, you know, given that, given the public was deceived, I think we should have a, we should be able to have another vote. I mean, the thing that gets me about Brexit is we're allowed to change our mind every five years
Starting point is 00:20:15 for a general election. But on this issue, we've had this one vote and we're not allowed to change their minds. I mean, I think sort of like people's perceptions have changed, we should be allowed to vote. again on that issue but I don't know it's just such a hot potato I don't think people go nearer well you'd be depressed to find out that the British
Starting point is 00:20:35 Labour Party is looking towards the Anthony Albanese government for tips on how to win the next thing I was just thinking it was very alboes don't avoid fights you don't want to have don't be controversial yes I don't give the Tory
Starting point is 00:20:50 any country campaign on and it'll it'll presumably win the election and then And guarantee that nothing happens. It's no victory at all. You basically get conservative light. So that's what Keir Starmer is going to roll out. We do that in the Ashes.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Could Ingle actually win a game? If we didn't get involved with the bowlers, we didn't engage at all, we just sat there playing nice little forward defensives, and would we automatically win without playing any shots? Well, this is the thing. I actually, like, I think baseball is really interesting, right, because, you know, you're controlling the momentum of the game,
Starting point is 00:21:26 right and that is a very new zealand thing to think about right like i remember when australia was completely predominant during the steed war era the the one team that started tripping them up towards the end was new zealand out of all the test nations new zealand because they approached australia with the idea of we'll just completely play a different pace of game and they've played the most boring cricket they slowed everything down and Australia spent several tests losing before they got the hang of how to deal with it. And I think what Basball is about is New Zealand is going, okay, how do we win against Australia and the rest of the world?
Starting point is 00:22:11 Like, we'll surprise them right. But the problem is, an innovation around momentum only lasts while it's still a surprise. Yeah. But your fucking British tabloids have been going on about basball every day for the last six months. not a surprise anymore. So, you know, Australia turns up and goes, okay, well, we prepare, like, we presume that they could play baseball. And then, and there's been whole sessions in the first two tests where you go, they, like,
Starting point is 00:22:39 Cummins, I don't think is necessarily the greatest tactician on earth, but he could sort of almost depend on a couple of British, you know, batsmen, giving away being wiggings. Yeah, because, you know, oh, they'll play the fast game. Yeah, great. just white around and then catch it in the outfield. But I think the whole buzzboard thing should be seen in the context of how dominant Australia have been. I mean, we've lost nine tests in the last two series out in Australia.
Starting point is 00:23:09 And what we were doing wasn't working. And actually, the one thing that the English side has had is a lot of good one-day players. And I honestly don't think Basbore would exist if we didn't have that. I think they'd pick the team around what we have. We haven't got any way to stay in. And I think it's also about the fact, I think they've said to themselves, look, we're not going to last more than 80 overs
Starting point is 00:23:33 against this Australian bowling attack. They're just too good. So we might as well slog out. You know, there's always going to be a ball that's got our name on it. So we might as well bat our 80 overs and get 350 rather than bat our 80 overs and get all out for 250.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I think that's, I'm sure there's an element of that in it. I definitely do. And the thing is, though, if they played a bit more of the conditions, and it's always hard to speculate. But I read a pretty compelling article, I think in The Guardian, saying the problem with basball is that it means
Starting point is 00:24:03 your bowlers are exhausted, for instance, because your innings, okay, you get a lot of runs, but it's very short hitting because they don't get to rest. It gives the other side a lot more time in the game. I mean, as when Kowajabat was on the field for basically the entirety of the first test except for about two overs or something like that.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Because he was, there was time for him to play himself in and then get a big score anyway. It just feels as though England have a good trick and it works really, really well, but they'd play it whether it's a good idea in the moment or not. And so great to score the runs quickly and apply a lot of pressure. But if it means that there's more time for Australia to sort of plot it out,
Starting point is 00:24:38 then you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot, particularly when at several points in the series that English bowlers really have run out of puff after a very long inning. They're coming into a second innings and not, I think, in the second test, not being able to really do very much, just because they were exhausted. That's why we arranged these conventions.
Starting point is 00:24:54 convenient rain breaks. Yes, well done. So it's getting a very helpful. A little bit of a rush. I think, but I mean, joking apart, I think that's what happened in Headingley. It's sort of like a day and a half got washed out and, you know, the brother's got a rest that way. I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:25:06 I totally don't. Yeah, it's been very interesting. We haven't made life easy for ourselves by picking David Warner. We're playing with 11, 11 batsmen. What do you just Australia think about David Warner? Does Australia like David Warner? I think a lot of people think it's time to go, particularly when you've got, I mean, Marsh has been opening in one day,
Starting point is 00:25:25 as I think, or Green could do it as well. It's not as though it's some sort. I mean, everyone goes, oh, but the opening partnerships managed to get a pretty decent total, you know, each time. That's only because it's one of them. They never bat well together, Coaja, and one. It's a time to hang up the
Starting point is 00:25:41 gloves and the sandpaper and retire. They're playing T20, but I'll tell you what, though. Well, we, we did, but I mean, secretly, I think, Warren is great in that he is nice for opposing fans to have somebody to hate. Yes, he's a bit of a Australian to hate from central casting. He is that Australian.
Starting point is 00:26:06 He gives you every little bit of intense, dogged, not terribly bright personality. He did an air conditioning ad at here last summer. Yes. And he speaks like this. by LG air conditioners. It's because it's been hit where it hurts so many times
Starting point is 00:26:25 by a few abroad. So what's our prediction for this test? Certainly a draw with the weather does seem a little bit, a little bit likely. But hey,
Starting point is 00:26:34 with Basball, England could score quickly. Yes. I can't see it. I just think, I can't, we're not going to, we're not going to win the ashes.
Starting point is 00:26:45 We'll definitely, one of these tests will either lose or draw. I think it would be great if it was a two-all. I think it probably would be fair actually. I think and it would be great it would keep the debate going between
Starting point is 00:26:55 sort of those who love traditional cricket and those who love Basbo. Because I think that's really what's at what's at stake in. I think that's why people did get exercised about the thing at Lords. I think that there's a belief that's been pushed to the media anyway that
Starting point is 00:27:11 Stokes wants to save cricket. Now he wants to make cricket entertaining and he's been seen as a savi by a lot of English fans who put up with sort of like the root years of captaincy when we lost something like 17 tests in a row or something.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I mean, at least at Basbole, we've won 11 in a row but you're right, the surprises. And people have been slugging off coming so just putting people on the boundary saying, oh, it's a bit boring captaincy and you think it works. I mean, I think my serious wish for the series, I think I want to win this one
Starting point is 00:27:45 and then it all goes to the fifth test at the Oval and then at the very last moment, five, England after score, one run to win. Johnny Bears does at the crease and he just wanders.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Wondell out. Now he's fair he throws down his stumps. That would keep interest in test cricket as high as possible. Ben Stokes would get his wish. I think I'll sign up for that.
Starting point is 00:28:10 I think that'd be great. I don't know if the game. I think actually would be fantastic the last game. I'll just think it will be great though, just for it to go to the last game.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Well, wouldn't it be just brilliant for cricket, I think. You know, we've had these three amazing games. You know, it's not quite 2005 yet, but there's something, there's a bit of excitement building up amongst the public. And, you know, God bless him, Kerry, help create that. That's all over the front pages and sort of like cricket is people are talking about it again. So, you know, I'm all for it. You know, tell Dave Warner to get his industrial sander out
Starting point is 00:28:48 and stunned at first slip, shearing the ball and all that. It doesn't get better. We don't have any spinners left. Yeah, that was no point. That's a big, yeah, Tide Murphy being dropped. It's a bit of a big call. But look, Australia hasn't won a series in England for a very long time. I mean, yes, we've smashed England in every home ashes.
Starting point is 00:29:06 But I don't remember the last time a home team didn't win in ashes. I think it's been nearly 20 years or something like that. So for all that Australia play well, England are very good in England against does. And so winning this, then fingers crossed Basball still going strong and when England tour here next they actually really have mastered
Starting point is 00:29:27 the art and put up a big fight. I think in Australia we need Joffar Archer and we need Olly Stone and we need Marwood. We need all our pace bowlers fit and we've not had that. We've only had one fit in any series for about the last five years. If we have
Starting point is 00:29:43 those guys fit we'll do okay. But I think you pointed out what I think is the big floor on basball. There is no rest of the bowl with those. In Australia, you don't like you to get the weather to help you out. So I think we could lose 4-0-5-0 again. Well, Joffre Archer can come back and come back and bowl three balls. Well, get out our players unconscious again.
Starting point is 00:30:05 I think that will probably be good for the series. Wasn't he? He was fit. He was fit at the beginning of the season. And he bowled three balls and then he put another injury. What a three balls. Yeah, that were great. Three balls.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Don't get me wrong. So, will you come out to Australia as part of the Army Army during the next Australian ashes? Come on. I would love to. I would love to, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:34 They're quite, they're very funny. I mean, they're not like, they're not, there's, you know, there are some hooligan elements amongst them, but some of the songs are very funny. I, I would love to go to the, to Western Australia. I've never been there to watch a game. And Sydney, I think, is the most beautiful ground in the world. It's wonderful. Adelaide's actually very good, too.
Starting point is 00:30:56 So, you know, they're great places to watch cricket. Well, try and twist around and do it in person. How many years till that? Is it somewhere after this one? It's 18 months away. Yeah, it's usually 18 months away. Yeah. But actually, we've got a policy on this podcast of not saying anything nice about Adelaide or Perth. So we have to take that back. Yeah. They're the worst grounds in the world. Look, they're awesome. Yeah, but as an Englishman, you can be contrary.
Starting point is 00:31:21 That's fine. Yeah, even the British like, Adelaide. How should is that? I just wanted to ask you guys, I mean, there seems to be a big Australia following coming to the grounds this year. They're all wearing the yellow hats in the crowd. Is that something that would tempt you? Would you guys ever have come out?
Starting point is 00:31:40 I'd love to. But the thing is, post-COVID, we are a nation of travellers. everybody you can afford it is in Europe right now. It's basically, I chatted to someone who was at the Lord's Test on Monday. It'd just be like, yeah, I had a week off. I went to the Lord's test. Wow, okay. It's just Australians that love flying as far away as possible from Australia.
Starting point is 00:32:00 It's part of our national condition. I've only been to one test in England. I went to a test England versus New Zealand as a child at the Oval. It was the first test I've ever been to. It hooked me for life. So very keen to get back there. What I really want to do is get into the long room and have a chat to some of the those old place.
Starting point is 00:32:16 I'd potentially get able to fight. Yeah. Stick up for Osmond, Kowaj. I thought that was a bit, that was a bit surprising, I have to say. I thought they might be, they might touch, I thought as they went past,
Starting point is 00:32:27 but to sort of like, you know, get into an altercation. I mean, in the knowledge as possible way, Henry, I went to a school in London with a very large Bangladeshi population and Pakistani population in the 1980s. The notion that there's a little bit of racism
Starting point is 00:32:40 against South Asians in England is not, it's not a near observation as much. as Australia has probably that effect as well. Yeah. I was going to say is I think one of the good things and I think one of the reasons
Starting point is 00:32:57 why there's been such a strong Australian contingent this year is because the British pound is so low. Oh, thank you, Brexit. Yeah, thank you Brexit. We are big supporters for Brexit because your economy is... It wasn't Russian box at all, was it?
Starting point is 00:33:14 It was Australian bolts that created in Brexit. We're a thing in buying the MCC. That's her. I mean, can we take over? How's the don't we've got to get before we can buy England? Oh, that would be a fantastic reverse takeover, wouldn't it? If we went and colonised England. Yeah, who would you put as the king if it was an Australian?
Starting point is 00:33:36 Me? Yeah, we'd have to change any of the coinage. You'd be King Charlesville. Julian Assange. Oh, no, it's obviously Alex Carey. Alex Carey. And then you'll, the laws of the game will say that if you don't throw the thumbs down and that's to us, you'll be paid for the next game.
Starting point is 00:33:57 It's been lovely, Andy, thank you. It's been a treat and a joy, guys. We've got to go and watch the cricket now. It's starting any minute. Yeah, it started. We've got to go and watch the rain, go ahead. Hurry up. Oh, is it really?
Starting point is 00:34:08 I don't know. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Our gear is from Road, and we are part of the iconic. Network. Catch you tomorrow.

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