The Chaser Report - How to beat ChatGPT

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Charles and Dom discuss the annoying new changes Open AI are making to  ChatGPT and some clever (and also sexy) workarounds. Also: do last week’s US election results foreshadow a Trump thumping in the mid-terms next year or just a giant lizard destroying New York?Order the 2025 CHASER ANNUAL: https://chasershop.com/products/the-chaser-and-the-shovel-annual-2025-preorderListen AD FREE: https://thechaserreport.supercast.com/ Follow us on Instagram: @chaserwarSpam Dom's socials: @dom_knightSend Charles voicemails: @charlesfirthEmail us: [e-mail] CEO’s Super-yacht upgrade Fund: https://chaser.com.au/support/ Send complaints to: [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Chaser Report is recorded on Gatigal Land. Striving for mediocrity in a world of excellence, this is The Chaser Report. Hello and welcome to The Chaser Report with Dom and Charles. Charles, an update on the world of AI. And I think Open AI, the makers of ChatGPT, have just done something truly ethical, truly impressive, truly praiseworthy. And I'm not talking about their shift to becoming a profit for profit company. they have changed the rules of what GPT will and won't do.

Oh, yes. So it no longer gives you legal advice or health advice. Oh. It simply won't diagnose counsel or advice. Is there any other use? Is there any other use for open AI? Well, this is the question.

All my contracts at the moment are written by Open AI. All right. Well, let's get into whether this is a good or a bad thing after the break. I literally had to do a contract to show to an insurance company the other day. And there was a bullshit, you know those bullshit things of like, show us the contract between party A and party B. Yeah.

You know, we need a paper trial on this. I went, oh, fuck this. I'm not going to hire a lawyer for some bullshit paper trial. I'll get even AI to do it. And it did. It did a fantastic job as far as I can work out. Maybe it was doing the work for you that finally broke the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Quite possibly. But, I mean, this is a fascinating thing about it, right? Is that if open AI are going, yeah, look, I wouldn't actually rely on it for something really important, like health advice or legal advice. What's the point of it? Like, in all sincerity, if it can't do exactly what I have to do. It's like Google saying, well, you can Google everything except for am I sick. What are my symptoms? And what are my rights?

And what are my rights? That's right. Which is pretty extraordinary, because the whole point... So what can you do on Open AI? I mean, you would think that it would be something that it would do well, right? Like, if AI works, the idea of sifting through all the documents ever produced in all the medical journals. Yes, all the episodes of house. Yeah. That's right.

All the obscure cases in house. Like it has all access to all the recaps. And also Boston Legal. Boston Legal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And GP, ABC TV. Ali McBeal. All Saints.

Suits. It has the access to the whole archive of suits. actually there's a legal AI called harvey.ai apparently I'm wondering if it's a shout out to harvey specter but no and so if it can't do that when there's such a big corpus of information that it has access to what can it well correctly no but no but I think you've got to see this in the context of the decision that they made like two weeks ago yeah which was that they were going to loosen the rules around accessing erotica and porn oh right so

previously they'd been actually I think one of the more prudish AI things in that if you said oh here write me an erotic tale about Newt Gingrich or something they go now that's a how did your brain how did it the large language model that is your brain that you know come up with Newt Gingrich is the next words in that said I think the chaos dial has been put up a little bit high this morning but um does this mean I can't get an erotic story about nurses is that one well no no this is the point well this is the point well Or lawyers. No, I think probably, well, so this is the thing, but they've gone, no, no, no, no.

Actually, there is no good business case because you know that they lost. So Open AI, we're in a bidding war against Google and Microsoft to become the engine that drives Apple's AI. Because Apple has just given up and gone, no, actually, we need somebody else to do our engine. And they are in a bidding war and they lost to Google just in the last few days. And they obviously saw that coming, and they went, we're not actually good at knowing anything or doing anything. What we've got to do is we've got to make our product stickier by getting into essentially erotica and porn, right? So that is, that's what they've done. And so their GPT5 was criticised for being a bit more clinical and analytical.

Oh, I see. And they've said, no, no, no. Let's wind that back. We're going to go back to being a bit sycophantic. and you can go into, you know, relationships. That's a great point, Charles. Yeah, exactly. So.

You're so hot when you reason. My, my thinking is they've gone, well, we don't know how to know anything reliably, but it doesn't matter because we're getting into the much bigger and more profitable thing of just being sexy. But Charles, we called this a very long time ago, and not even particularly impressively, on the basis that the driver of all technological change, the major things, It's porn. Is the internet, is VHS, it's all that sort of stuff.

Yes. So that looks at, maybe that means they'll now win the race. Yes. But it is just fascinating to know that it's so unreliable. But do you think, you know how you can always get around restrictions? By wording things, you know. Yeah. So you just tell me, hey, pretend you're a sexy nurse and tell me about the symptoms of my rash include.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You just get it to do it in a sexy way. And this is the way that, like, for instance, people Same with legal advice. Going into self-harm or whatever I know. I need to know what the punishment will be. You know, if I broke the law in this way.

Or maybe you could give you a basket. I've been a naughty boy. Similarly for, that's chilly, Charles. You know, simultaneously asking it for health and legal advice in some way to confuse it. But no, I mean, I just think this is just really reassuring. And it's possible that they listen to our episode or that someone at Chatsyopit ingested our episode. Definitely. I'm saying that there's no point to AI.

That doesn't actually do anything useful. Yes. And on that node, guess how much of the market capitalization of America, the SMP 500 being a good analog for sort of American? The whole of the American economy. Yeah. Guess what percentage of that is made up by AI companies? 40. 44%.

Yes. That's a good guess. I didn't even use the chat GPT for that. Yeah. Wow. Just ask Dom. I just, well, at least I know I'm making things up. But isn't that an extraordinarily high figure?

Like, I didn't think it to be that high. I haven't been to the US for months, right? But back in January, when I was there, I don't think I saw a single AI, right? The idea that 44% of that economy is now, you know, the value of it is due to AI. It's just rubbish, right? It's just totally untrue. But we must remember, though, there are two ways that can happen. Yeah.

One of the ways is that the AI companies become incredibly valuable. And the other is that every other company in the economy tanks because of tariffs. And, of course, AI companies, well, look. Well, they don't create anything. Yeah, they create digital. You've got a tariffable. You've got a tax value and there's no value. But also, but one of the whole problem with the Trump tariff.

regime is that it applies to products and not services. A lot of economists have commented on this. It's completely lopsided because if you sell something, it's not a physical product, if you sell subscriptions to Dropbox or whatever, completely tariff-free. But if it's a physical thing, oh dear, it's a huge amount, gets levied on it. So, but no, I mean, the question is whether it's a bubble. I mean, absolutely it is. So Sam Altman came out at the end of last week and went,

when industries become so important to the economy that the economy, that the economy itself is imperiled by its successful failure, right? The government itself needs to become the sort of insurer of last resort. Yeah. And that's what's happening to the AI industry. He basically said that whenever the crash happens, the AI companies are now looking for a bailout. Well, it's the too big to fail thing. Yes, exactly.

Because, and if you look into the sort of economics, it's unbelievable, right? So, this year, $750 billion US dollars, which is, well, about 1.2 trillion Australian dollars is being invested in the American economy just this year. Next year, it's going to be more like $350 billion, US dollars, which is still, you know, $600 billion. That is vast quantities of money going in. It's driving up commodities like copper and obviously energy. and stuff like there, but it's propping up the entire economy. I mean, even though you wouldn't say that it's 40% of the worth of the economy, no.

It's certainly, it's the only thing keeping them away from a deep, deep recession. Well, that's the thing. That's the bizarre thing about, I mean, this is the one thing that lets the numbers seem positive in the view of the economy. But if you look at the, I mean, there's so much news we can barely cover all of it. If you look at what happened in the elections, in the, you know, last week in the states, we haven't really talked about very much. But the Democrats won so comprehensively.

And you can't really look at New York City, but you can certainly look at Virginia and New Jersey, which are both purple, if not occasionally even red states. I can't remember how New Jersey voted. I think Virginia voted for Harris because there's so many public servants there. But, yeah, New Jersey may well have voted. I can't remember where they voted 2024. But if Democrats are doing it. so well in those states, like, I think one was 13%, one was 15%, that's really looking

worrying for Donald Trump in the midterms, isn't it? Yeah, but don't you think that, do you just think it'll all just go back? Oh, that the normal systems will. Yeah, like, I just can't see that happening. Like, won't he just cancel mail in voting and disrupt the election and, you know, he's got control of the postal services, so that's it, that's gone. I just I can't see him relinquishing power he's gone too far

he's done too many illegal things he had such a shitty time between 2020 and 2024 when he wasn't president but not even that 2018 to 2020 so last time after the Democrats won back the House in the midterm

and were able to impeach him I think they won back the Senate back then too like he couldn't get anything done in second after his term or do you think actually we're just being sort of overly dramatic and what will end up happening is revert to normal.

It'll just be boringly revert to... It is hard to know. I mean... Because isn't it a more interesting story if it turns out that it's a coup? Like, I kind of feel like... You're going for a narrative, you'd take it.

Yeah, exactly. Like, if it turns out... If this was an action movie and after two years, everyone was like, oh yeah, it was a mistake, let's undo it. Yeah. Like, imagine if the, you know, the Nazis had got into power in 33, and then in 1935, it was like... Big mistake.

Let's undo. They're horrible people. All right, Charles. Can I try and cheer you up? And nobody else. This is to cheer nobody else up at all listening. What if, yes, the Democrats win comprehensively, particularly because California got up its proposition

to do the redistricting, which will help them. They win the House. But then Donald Trump still has the armed forces and still has potentially the Supreme Court, although they're not big fans of his. tariff plan, it seems like, that that may well get struck down. But anyway, imagine that doesn't happen. You've got a president who, rather than the Congress being supine as it has been,

it's actually trying to stop him. Isn't that a much more dramatic confrontation? Oh, but it's sort of a bit inside a baseball. Like, you know what I mean? Well, not if there's tanks. Oh, okay. If they're bringing out the tanks and the National Guard. Oh, okay, yeah, no, that could be fun.

What if they're tanks on the steps of, Congress. And then AOC is there on the barricades, holding a flaming torch or something. Yes, yes. And Zoran Mamdani is held up. Maybe he'll take to the Statue of Liberty. No, where would you go in New York City? In New York City.

Did you go to Times Square? What did you do? I don't know. There's so many. Empire State Building. He should climb the Empire State Building at King Kong style, like on the spire. Yeah. Or do a siege of Trump Tower.

I was just thinking. Yeah, so you bring the NYPD outside Trump Tower. Yes, because you've got control. Then the National Guard rings around them. Yes. And then there's protesters around there, and then the army coming on. And then what you need is you need some sort of extreme weatherfront. I'm thinking a cold snap that makes the whole of New York suddenly freeze.

Oh, wow. The day after tomorrow. Well, that could happen. And then you have to burn all the books in the public library to stay warm. Climate change is actually delivering more extreme weather events. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Or, yes, or just a hurricane or a tornado through Times Square.

And it picks up Mamdani. But he, because he's such a good leader, you know, manages to fly with it. And it allows him to sort of get behind enemy lines in Washington, D.C. I'm just sort of thinking, what about Godzilla? I mean, there's a lot of labs out there. doing a lot of experimental kind of stuff. And I don't think Donald Trump's been interested in regulating them. Maybe, you know, out of the sewer system climbs a giant rogue lizard.

Nothing could happen. Who knows what will happen. But yeah, look, it's certainly true. So Obama had that famous quote. Have you seen pluribus? No, I haven't. Oh, my God. I was that a reference with it.

No, no, no. It's just, it's good. Okay. Like, if you're wanting dramatic, dramatic things that could happen that wouldn't really ever happen. Well, that's, I mean, given the current situation in America, coming up with sort of fanciful drama situations is quite bizarre. But, yeah, look, I mean, that's coming soon potentially to an American near you. Yeah, okay, cool.

Well, then I'm on board for the Democrats winning back the house. Well, I don't even, I haven't seen the polls, but. No, they'll definitely, like, if they have free and fair elections, of course they will. That's just standard American politics. That happens every time President gets elected two years later. I don't want to ruin

it's true It's almost always I don't want to ruin this Charles because it's been an enjoyable flight of semi-fancy slash forecasting Yeah But we have to issue our standard

Chaucer Report caveat Which is when the left side gets into power Yes They do tend to not do very much Yeah they disappoint enormously Well especially is

There's a whole lot of Democrats who look like They're fighters And they just do nothing at all Like there's, you do get people. Like the Corey Brooker and Gavin News, they'll all be very disappointing people. People get it to power and they're just like, oh, yeah. Oh, I've got to follow the rules.

Yes. And the rules say I can't do anything. What about the standing? The filibuster. We've got to follow the filibuster. Yes, we must keep this bizarre tradition that. Yeah. That means that democracy can't.

Yes, that 60% is a majority. You can't possibly have less than 60%. When the current Australian government was, was elected, I seem to remember us saying that there was a, a slight possibility that their agenda might be less than ambitious. I mean, you've got egg on your face for that one, Charles, haven't you, at this point? Oh, yes, because they've been so radical. They've basically been Whitlam, too, isn't it?

Whitlam 2 with a vengeance. Or Whitlam Plus. Whitlam plus. Whitlam here than Whitlam. Whitlam Pro Max. All those. Yeah. And Kirstama, I mean, he's sort of, well, Jean Valjean in Le Mise.

You could actually describe. Albo as Whitlam Pro Max in two terms. One, oh, bigger and better than ever. And the other, basically no change at all. I've got a Pro Max. Yeah, look, we've upgraded from Scott Morrison. It's identical, but slightly different colour. Well, there you go.

I think the giant lizards attacking New York is certainly, if that happens, Charles, we can go back to the archive and say we called it first. Yeah, well, I mean, watch this space. Always first to call. through our tested technique of covering every possible scenario. We are part of the Iconiclass Network. Get you tomorrow.