The Checkup with Doctor Mike - Confronting KSI About PRIME and Boxing

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

Watch the full interview with KSI on YouTube here: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/youtube/KSIVodcast KSI is one of the most prolific creators the internet has ever seen. If boasting a YouTube channel with over 20 million subscribers wasn't enough, he's also a member of The Sidemen, a pioneer of the YouTube boxing phenomenon, a musician, a restauranteur, and the face of Prime, the most popular drink on Earth. JJ Olantunji, as he's known on his birth certificate, is involved in so many things it was really difficult to try and narrow the discussion. Fortunately, he wasn't shy and shared a lot of interesting things with me, such as the process of writing his new song "Voices" with Oliver Tree, the caliber of his Misfits Boxing events, and the 1 woman in his life he's managed to keep hidden from the world. I'm so grateful to JJ for taking the time to visit me in NYC on the heels of an exhausting promotional tour, and hopefully this is the first of many long chats with my new friend... and future boxing opponent?? Executive Producer and Host: Dr. Mike Varshavski Produced by Dan Owens and Sam Bowers Art by Caroline Weigum CONTACT: [e-mail]

I guess my parents would say that they showed their love through, you know, housing me and feeding me and through getting me into school, et cetera, you know, whereas, you know, the actual affection of just like hugging and saying that, you know, I love you. Like, I definitely missed out on that. KSI is a legend in his own right. He is not only a massive YouTuber, entrepreneur who recently just started prime alongside Logan Paul, individual whose music is off the charts, someone who started a restaurant business. Oh yeah,

and how did I forget that he's also one of the top YouTube boxers? We had a lot of juicy things to talk about. My criticism of who he's choosing to fight in his YouTube fights, who he thinks is the most overrated YouTube boxer, his health struggles, his conversations with his therapist, his love for gaming, his one true person who may surprise you. Please welcome KSI to the checkup. Let's get started. JJ. What's up, baby? How you doing, bro? You excited?

Yeah, I'm probably more tired, if I'm being honest. That's good. Yeah, I've just, I've probably sent in several press things I've done. I've, yeah, I've definitely overwiped myself. I haven't stopped since the temper fight. It's honestly impressive, admirable, but also scary for me as a doctor to see how hard you push yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. honestly I just uh I guess it's just how I am I managed to bro you should see my

schedule I just I tell people it's like teletext I don't know if you know what that is no what's that all right it's kind of like um a thing back in the day on TV that people would see uh to figure out what they wanted to watch on TV like a TV guide type thing kind of kind but it was like like back in the day and it's just scrolling yeah it's just basically different colors of just like my schedule and it's just like what I've got going on and yeah it's it was a lot like even after the fight it's like i've got promote this and i've got to do press yeah it's a lot but i mean people give me credit sometimes for doing a lot of things as a doctor trying out the boxing things you think but you're doing it 10x that

because you're an entrepreneur you're a musician professional fighter um restaurant tour yeah like the list doesn't seem to end yeah i definitely have a lot going on um i think the one thing that everyone's always talking about is prime yeah everyone's just going crazy yeah tell me about that how did uh what's the origin story behind the origin story it literally is logan hit me up you know in an instant dm being like bro uh i've got this idea let's stop fighting yeah let's stop flying i've got this idea let's let's let's let's let's do prime yeah and uh i was very skeptical you know i had to do my due diligence to make sure it's you know exactly what i wanted and uh yeah after a few months of you know a few back and forth yeah it was go time and now your retail sales i heard on a

recent interview over a hundred million yeah it's it's 200 million and some it's quite wild the numbers i can't lie it's numbers i never thought i'd ever even fathom in my lifetime like even hitting a million in my life i was like i'll never be able to do that or 100,000 so to be able to get way more than that yeah it's quite surreal but you know i've got good people around me to keep me humble and grounded so I don't just go off the rails. Do you feel like if you didn't have them, you might go off the rails? Oh, yeah, I've definitely been close. Really?

I've been very close. Can you take me through one of those? I think I had a guy called, I'll say his name, Joey. I won't say his full name, but a guy called Joey who definitely was up my ass and made me think I was the shit to the point where, I mean, to realize he's one of the reasons why I bought Lamborghini. Yeah, he was just like, bro. you're making money you should like look the part so i would always wear designers like clothes i'd

always you know look to buy the most expensive things that frying sent out and i was just trying to spend more than i was earning but you know i was living that lifestyle even clubbing i would spend 20k uh on the table just just like that like it was nothing and i was like yeah i'm the big baller and i tried to get all the girls and all of that so yeah it was just a lot of noise and uh you know Nowadays, I'm just so, like, chill. I just hardly ever go clubbing. I just don't enjoy it. I, you know, I don't drive.

I don't have a car. And I stay quite low-key, yeah, in general. Isn't it funny how, when we're younger, I'm sure both of us have experiences, that that's the stuff we work for or we get excited about? And the second we get it, we realize that ain't it. yeah we realize that's not what's important in life and yet like the big people on social media

like i hate to even mention the name andrew tate of the world is like trying to get people excited about that again whereas you and i are talking about it like don't make that the end goal because it's not going to make you happy yeah and uh i i i feel like we can say as much as we want but people are going to just believe what they want to believe and they're going to have to experience it themselves. So once they realize, oh, I've got all the nice watch and all the girls and the expense of this, expensive that. And then they realize, oh, but, you know, I still feel empty in life. I still feel like, yeah, I'm not happy. Then, yeah, that's when you start to realize, oh, okay. KS. I was right. Dr. Martin was right. That's true. Like hitting 10 million

subs, getting expensive stuff, earning hundreds of millions of dollars in your case, you start to realize the numbers aren't what drive happiness. So I'm curious what drives happiness for you. Well, for me, legacy, man. Really? Legacy. I just want to make a difference and also just see how far I can go. I think, you know, I've always had people tell me I'll never be able to reach a certain point in my life or I'll never be able to do the things I think I would be able to do. so I love proving people wrong and that has always driven me and that's, I guess, I've seen as my purpose

and with that, I'm able to just define what makes me me and then just keep going and keep going and just see where it takes me. So, you know, I felt like there was a ceiling with YouTube at the time when I'd reached 10 plus million subscribers so I ventured really into the music, I ventured really into the boxing and all these things.

to try and, you know, get that mainstream, like, level of success. And then I think for me, it's just always just being able to just see, yeah, just see how huge I can be as a person that started from nothing, you know, zero subscribers, see how far I can get in general. And then along the way, just try and help out as many people as possible. Like, I've, you know, from, you know, from. you know, I would do collabs, not even expecting, you know, stuff and stuff for, you know, stuff back. Yeah. I'll just do it because I just, I wanted to do it and I just enjoyed it. So,

you know, I've been helping people throughout my whole life and throughout my whole journey. And I think it's for me, I kind of just enjoy just, yeah, the whole journey. I think the whole journey in itself is what's so beautiful. Like me figuring out my, myself and me becoming, you know, the best human being that I can become, you know, I've made several mistakes, but then learning those mistakes and, you know, making sure I better myself is what I think is what life is all about. So it sounds like you want to maximize your potential as opposed to setting some arbitrary goal of numbers. Yeah, no, so I don't have any numbers goal or anything like that. For me, it's just. And maybe short term, it's okay. Like, oh, I'm excited for

this to hit X. But then, no, of course. But then after, like, it's, I think for me, I just needed more. So for me, it's always just, okay, there's no end goal when it comes to being the best human possible. So I think that's something I needed, something where it wasn't a point where you got to it and that's it. I kind of needed something that I'll never be able to get. But during the journey, I'll be able to enjoy. And I watched your documentary. How much of a role do you think?

your dad's sort of influence on your life plays in this yeah i think his influence is very heavy especially when it comes to the hard work you know he's always told me that nothing in life is easy life is hard uh there's ups and downs and you just got to figure it out especially when things don't go your way so a lot of times you know when things don't go my way i just figure it out you know i'm i'm a very lay back chill guy and you know shit hits the fan I just keep it moving. Can you tell me an episode when that's happened? And your dad's advice rang true?

I think when I broke my hand, brought my nose in sparring. And, you know, a few people were thinking, oh, maybe you should just not do the fight, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I was just like, no, like, I know who I am, you know, I can do it, I can get through it. So something is simple as that, like,

I mean, there's several options. I just, you put me on the spots. No, no, of course, yeah. He obviously pushed you to work hard. I have the same with my immigrant father mindset. Yeah. Going through, I can't was like his typical saying. Yeah, yeah.

What about the fact that you feel maybe there wasn't enough nurturing there, where maybe the support was not in the way you expected it to come? Well, yeah, no, I think, you know, as a guy that has definitely looked at all the families, especially in the Western world, how, um, their parents have treated their kids i think i definitely looked at that and went oh you know i feel like i'm missing that loving uh sensation uh i guess my parents would say that they showed their love through you know housing me and through feeding me and through getting me into school etc you know whereas you know the actual affection of just like hugging and saying that you know i love

you like I definitely missed out on that but I feel like especially because of the doc as well you know I'm I'm working on or I've well yeah I'm working on improving that relationship with my parents to make sure that we're just you know in the best possible position as a family because yeah it's for them they never really believed in like mental health or anything like that sure especially my mom she just and she thinks of witchcraft or something like that and it's like nah nah no but but i mean if they're not exposed to it can you blame

yeah well it's a different generation completely i think with that generation they didn't even know what mental health was yeah wasn't even a thing whereas for us you know we've definitely because it's like get food or worry about how you feel exactly yeah and they don't they don't really have time to yeah you know worry about how they feel they just have to do do do yeah so yeah i it's i definitely understand the situation

and where they came from And that's why, you know, I'm not too hard in them. And that's why I'm always just, I'm just trying to, you know, always create a conversation. And I feel like that's the least you can do. That's really powerful that you have that layer of insight to not blame them, to understand where they're coming from. Yeah, yeah. Because that kind of problem that you and I are experiencing that they never did is truly what we call a problem of progress. Where because we have a higher layer of safety, more access to food, you know, less crime.

on the streets than there was 40 years ago that we now have the worry of anxiety from nothing like that we created ourselves in our own minds yeah so do you ever struggle with that like anxiety of failure anxiety of things not going your way um i guess i don't know if it's anxiety but i definitely fear failure but i i think that's one reason why i work so hard to make sure i don't fail if that makes sense so it's like a power position for yeah so i i kind of i'm a guy that uh sees it as like okay you know if i fear this how can i overcome this fear you know i'm i'm i don't try to run away from it i try to tackle it head on so i think for me that that's well pretty much wiped for me in terms of everything that i've kind of focused on sure and uh

But no, it's an interesting, it's an interesting point you mentioned, yeah. I didn't really think of it like that. Because looking at you, you're incredibly mature for your age. And I feel like if you're in the world of social media at a young age, not just witnessing it as an observer, but being in it as in front of the camera, it causes you to mature faster. Yeah, 100%. Or break down faster, like one or the other.

It just speeds up, like there's a gasoline, under the fire. Did you ever feel that? Yeah, no, definitely. When I was around, what, 18, 19, you know, getting onto the internet. And I was just in my own bubble. And I was just be doing random videos, just, you know, basically my fan base were just goading me into just doing whatever. And it was fine. Like, I just thought, oh, like, views. Views. Who cares? You know, who cares about people's feelings, etc.? I'm just going to get views and that's all that matters. and then once I really stepped out into the real world I understood like the influence

and how much power I actually had and how I needed to like use that for good as much as possible and I feel like over the years I've definitely improved on that and to the point where you know when I started I didn't want to become a role model I just wanted to make content

whereas now I know I am a role model I know a lot of people are inspired by me So, you know, I tell people, you know, I am only human, so I'm going to make mistakes. But I always try to be the best role model I can be and just always improve on everything. And if I do make a mistake, I make sure I rectify that. And then I move on and never make it again. And that's, you know, going back to my previous point about being the best human possible. That's how I just constantly level up myself.

And yeah, it's obviously, it's a lot of pressure to do that in front of the camera. in front of the world, but, you know, I think I'm, I think I'm doing all right. No, you're doing amazing. I mean, obviously, that's why we started talking about with all your successes, first and foremost. The analogy that I sort of think about this, and I'm curious if you relate to it at all, where, you know, even if you're the best driver in the world, if a cop is following you long enough, you're going to break a rule.

You're going to go one kilometer, one mile an hour over the speed limit. You'll drive on the line. Yeah. So if they follow you long enough, they'll catch you. a mistake. And I feel like being on social media is like having the entire police force following you at all times. All times. Yeah. Where you can't make a single mistake. I think it's starting to become a bit more relaxed, but this is just personally. Yeah. But I think there was definitely a period a few years ago, especially during COVID, where it was just very just everyone was just

on you. And like, cancel culture was going crazy. like anything you did like everyone was scared to even say anything yeah just just in case they could piss someone off and then that could ruin your whole career because of it so yeah I think you know over the years people started to realize that we're all human and that no one is perfect well because if we continue that everyone's going to get canceled yeah yeah yeah every single person in the world should be canceled yeah so yeah I I don't believe in this idea that we should worship people people because, you know, they're just people, simple as that. We're not robots.

And I think it was a consequence of the time. We're all sitting at home, so we're all itching for something to happen. There's no other news happening, right? Because everyone's at home. So the second that anything, you know, juicy came out, everyone's like, oh, yes, finally. Entertainment. So that was kind of upsetting. But I totally agree with you on that.

I'm curious now that, like you talked about the launch of prime. obviously huge success retail sales wise how did you decide what to put into prime was this because like as a scientist I'm curious about the whole process well I mean for me I was definitely really focused on hydration you know I drink a lot of water I drink a lot of drinks well I mean mainly water is my drink so and I was it's funny I when Logan came up to me I was like bro I was actually going to try and make my own hydration drink yeah yeah yeah because we don't really have like a gatorade in england oh yeah so we don't yeah so it's i think the only thing we can really compare so what are athletes drink in england so i guess besides prime up yeah i guess it's more

lucasade sport okay yeah but like that's it you probably never heard of it and uh interesting so nothing really special there isn't really a segment for that in them in england so interesting yeah so and you have some of the best sports teams in the world. You would expect it. Well, that's why, you know, there's a gap in the market. So we were like, okay, let's go for it. But yeah, I mean, the reason I pointed out is because I'm always so curious what goes

into the deliberation of what are the ingredients. And to me, a lot of people, like, put the question into my social media because I review a lot of myths online and I debunk supplements and miracle cures. I hate all that shit. Like, I take protein sometimes, no vitamins, no magic shit. Like, I hate people. I do take a few, like, vitamins and stuff like that. So, like, vitamin C, vitamin D.

What do you hope that that does for you? Well, I guess I've read it online, like, even something like Ashtra ganda and stuff like that, like taking this every day is just, like, good for you. Especially in England, for example, because the sun, we don't get to see it too many times. So I feel like just to get your daily dose of vitamin vitamin D. is important. But what, would you debunk that? Yeah, well, I wouldn't debunk it

because my goal is not to attack your beliefs and the reasons you're doing it. My thought is more so, do we need it? And when we look at like real research on what is in our diets naturally, if we're eating a decently healthy diet, and I assume you are, you're a fit. Yeah, yeah.

So you would not ever come to the position where you're vitamin C depleted. Like you don't have enough vitamin C. Okay. And more is not better than enough. Okay. It's like basically asking a construction site to finish the construction faster

if you deliver all of the equipment like earlier. Yeah, okay. Because there is like limitations on how fast the body can make use of the vitamin C. And if it doesn't, it pees it out. So like when you as someone who's an average healthy person, you're more than an average healthy person takes vitamin C, yeah.

No joke, you're pissing it all the way. And I can confidently say that. No, I guess I do see it because my piss is like orange, not orange, but like yellow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's probably from the vitamin Bs that you take or maybe the vitamin B that's in the. Oh, okay. But yeah, like it totally happens.

And as a result, the industry is deceptive in that. Okay. And I say that at my own expense. Yeah. Why? Because, man, how much money I could make if I see something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course.

Dude. Oh, my, I could say I'm a boxer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all because of Dr. Mike's miracle post. Yeah, fair. So like the amount of money we turn down and it's so tempting to take money for those things, but they just honestly don't work. And that's why I started the YouTube stuff to.

Okay. And there's instances where they do and there's instances where you need them. Yeah, yeah. And like you mentioned maybe living in an area we're not getting enough sunlight and you check and your vitamin levels are low for vitamin D specifically. That could be a role. Okay. But even there, it gets tricky because what we define as low might be a little deceiving

depending on which lab you go to. So there's a lot of like interesting. intricacies and it's super dense. Well, even something as simple as like zinc. Yeah. Even zinc. And like I literally take it all like from vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, extra ganda, omega-3.

Like I have a bunch of supplements I just take every single day. And you'd say it's all pointless. No, it's hard for me to decide that right now because I'm also not your doctor. I don't know your medical conditions. Like for example, omega-3 has an indication if someone, has high triglycerides in their blood. And they can't take a statin and maybe omega-3s

can help lower their triglycerides, which is the fat content in their blood. Okay. But like, you know, a tremendous athlete like yourself might benefit from that 1% potential improvement. Okay. But the average person on the street

does not need that. And I would much rather they spend their money getting quality fruits, vegetables, joining a gym, getting access to running shoes. Like, you know, things that real life people have. Oh, fantastic. So, like, it's very tricky. And that's why I never say if something is all bad or all good.

And when it comes to the ingredients of prime, when people ask me, like, your doctor, tell us, what's the deal with this? And I'm like, well, it depends for who. Yeah. And when I think about a kid who's sitting at home playing video games, which it seems like a big portion of people who drink prime are gamers or people who are just drinking for fun. I guess, I guess for us, it's kind of just like we talk it for everyone. Sure.

Yeah, anyone can drink it. Like, it's just a nice tasty drink for people to have. Yeah. Because if you're replacing, like, a sugary soda with it. Yeah. It's a good replacement in my eyes. Well, yeah, that's kind of why, like, yeah, especially like Coke is what a lot of people drink or Pepsi, et cetera, Sprite.

So it's kind of like, for me to then just replace that with prime. It's just so much better. Sure. That's why I feel like people who make hate videos on it are really trying to get that clickbait. Like, screw you guys. Yeah. Well, I think we get. we get all types of videos from whether it's hate or where it's love but like you know with me it's

i'm quite an open book so i i i kind of take everything in open hands um i you know i've been on youtube for several years so i don't i really kind of just enjoy yeah what people say you've survived a lot of right yeah yeah yeah so it's kind of just like it is what it is i know what i do and you know it kind of works for me so yeah no no it's that's why i've always appreciated your approaching it and never really could get onto the train of like starting beef in the YouTube boxing world. Yeah. How do you do that as a nice guy? Like, um, well, it seems like you're a nice guy. Well, I think it kind of just, it kind of just happened if that makes sense. I think it's also ego competitiveness. Okay. I'm a competitive guy. Um, when Joella, um, wanted to fight me,

you know, and we had the little scuffle. I believe that I could beat him. And then he believed that he could beat me. So it's kind of like, obviously there's a conflict there. So a great way to fix that is through boxing. Sure. And, you know, once that was done, it's, you know, there was respect after. But I think it's like, it shows like, yeah, like it's, uh, why not? It's, it's just this thing that, uh, flips a switch in you.

Yeah, yeah. And then I just, I just had to just make sure like this man in front of me, never beat me so or never beat me so yeah well you're doing great at that yeah yeah I don't like losing I I hate losing yeah I hated it I just lost I know against Chris Avila yeah how was that was tough well it was different leaving the YouTube boxing scene and fighting someone with a lot of experience yeah and I feel like a lot of the pro fighter guys that have fought other YouTubers were like retired or maybe later like in their 40s this guy was in his 20s I'm 33 yeah yeah yeah so like it was it was a tough situation but um it really showed me how different

styles can be even though i sparred you know pro mma guys in the gym yeah it's not the same stepping inside that ring and figuring it out in the ring if you don't have the experience yeah i feel like i guess for me i i i always feel like i could be anyone and uh you have to have that but yeah and i guess even with the sparring the people that i spa i make sure it's like the hardest of the hard like to make sure that I'm prepared for the worst situation yeah so and also because cardio for me is king and my style as well is it's a lot of pressure and I just know I have power in both hands so I know if I press you and hit you eventually you're going to go down so I think that's why no matter who I fight my style is probably the worst to to be against it's a very annoying style you have to be

very patient to fight someone. Yeah, yeah, especially, yeah, especially if it's like under the light on the big stage, I feel like a lot of people's crumble because of it. That's very true. So your fight with phase temper went your way. Great knockout. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for that. Thank you. Um, you know, what do you think the future of the YouTube boxing scene is? Because I know you and misfits have so many events coming up. Yes. You're expanding this. ever worried that this isn't going to go and expand and continue to grow as it is? No, if I'm being honest. I think there's always going to be interest.

You know, I think we want to expand to, you know, celebrities and expand to either musicians or maybe even politicians, you know, find each other. You're going to get Republicans fighting Democrats. You never know. Like, I think with misfits, that's kind of what it's about. It's about people set. their beefs in the ring rather than on the streets okay you know with guns or knives etc so that's kind of what we want to do with that and i feel like there's always going to be

an interest for you know people to fight each other like you know boxing it's been around for several years and i feel like you know with with our little section with misfits having just you know, either influences or celebrities, boxing, boxing each other, you know, improving themselves, you know, in the gym just to be able to fight and then have to be able to respect each other and improve their lifestyle because of it. I think it's a great thing. I think that that's actually happened a lot where you had people really be angry at one another and then after show respect. Yeah. Even in my fight with Chris Avila, he was kind of messed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then after, you know, he apologized.

right away him and eight diaz and i came together so that's cool um are you and dylan danis uh on good terms no no i don't talk to him no no not at all why were you still uh well because he pulled out of a fight that we were contracted to do and do you know why uh because he got afraid yeah no i truly yeah because he put out that whole mysterious tweet where it was like oh you guys don't even know no he just shit himself yeah yeah i think you realize that i'm the real deal he heard a few rumblings from people saying that you're getting down no i think i think i think i think he just knew from the get go that this is going to be tough and then i guess he saw a few clips and realized yeah like this is a long day and to honest he probably probably made the no he

definitely did make the right decision wow okay because i mean you saw i did to temper sure yeah and Tampa, you know, complete, is a way better fire, taller, ranger fighter. And I knew, you know, I had to really put the pressure on him because he's got that reach. Speaking of temper, how do you decide who you're fighting? Honestly. Because that's like the one critique I'm going to throw your way. For me, I'm down to fire everyone. Like, I want to fight everyone.

But the annoying thing is, because of the Jake Paul fight, it kind of, like, there's always like this time frame that I have. after reach where it's like okay you know yeah you can fight everyone but you've got to fight jake and it's like okay cool well let me all right so then can i fight so poppy and it's like uh no because that puts the jake pie in uh jacquite in jeopardy yeah oh no no not in jeopardy no but if you lose to salt poppy i'm not going to lose i know but i'm saying is that the reason no that's all the reason what's the reason if you crush salt poppy it's even a better No, no, because it pushes the Jake Paul fight back. Oh.

Yes. So you're not fighting again until you fight Jake now? Well, what do you mean? Like, is there going to be no more KSI fights? Well, no, before. Before, no, I'm fighting again. Before you fight Jake. You're saying there'll be another opponent before you.

Yes, yeah, I'm fine in May. Okay. May 13th. And you don't want to fight Salt Pappy. I want to fight Soul Pappy. But, but my team are, no, honestly. No, my team are telling me. me you've got jake paul fight end of the year if you want to fight jake paul then you're gonna have to

fight an orthodox fire before you fight jake paul so with dylan danis i was training for a south pole he's the south pole so that's why when then i thought um when he pulled out i was like all i'm gonna have to i've done all this training against southpores i've done all this sparring against southpores it won't make sense for me to then just fight an orthodox fire because it'll just go it'll be like how I fought the two fights in one night against swarms and Paneda

so you know I prepared for a certain fight and then I have to prepare for a new opponent and Dylan didn't really give us too many weeks he gave us two weeks to find an opponent so Tampa was going to fight the mystery opponent which was Panetta

and then oh my God Penna would have died yeah well I think Panetta versus Tempo is a pretty interesting fight really yeah But well you made them look really bad well you got to be honest to that but that's like you made swarms of Panetta look terrible but that's but that is me that's like that's how I do got it like I'm so beyond these guys that I make them look terrible but then when they fight people who are not on my level they actually like destroy their opponents. I mean look at look at swarms. Oh come on that's what am I supposed to do with that? Yeah but as a doctor what are I supposed to Still, like, that was a good punch. Yeah, it was a good punch. I don't know.

Bro, it fucked up. It was my man hit him with millimeter accuracy. Well, I mean, yeah, but that's all it takes. It's a fight. No, that's true. And Panetta, look out of Panetta. Yeah, I don't know. What you mean?

You don't know. The reason why I say I don't know is because when I look at them, it's not that you were just much more skilled than them. You definitely were, no questions asked. I'm not taking that away from you. They're doing things that people who train a lot and spar a lot don't do. they're doing circles in the ring they're like so i don't know just things that like really really amateurish people do i think it's

because so with swarms okay obviously he called me out said he'd knock me out sure sure and that's why we entertained it because i don't blame you friends with well i mean it's you know i was been to fight Alex Vasabi and he pulled out like you've got to remember all these people I weren't meant to fight sworn to pinada I wasn't meant to fight uh temper I was meant to fight Alex wasabi and he pulled out I was meant to fight uh yeah and then he pulled out so like yeah you're just trying to stick I'm just I'm I'm dealing with the hands I'm dealt with and uh you know I'm making it work and you know with my next opponent in May I'm hoping he doesn't pull out It's one of those ones where I just, what can I do?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you also are thinking about this very strategically, which is way smarter than most people, myself included. I was like, oh, I fought a YouTuber, let me fight. MMA guy with 25 fights. Yeah. So like.

But I feel like I could beat him. Yeah, I mean, I would love to see him take him on. And you guys are in the same weight class. Yeah, yeah. That would be a fun fight. Honestly, like, I feel like I can beat anyone. Well, that's what you have to be. And I feel like that's why, if I had a weakness as a boxer, I don't have that.

where I'm like logical about it. Yeah, I saw your video where you were kind of like second guessing yourself and all of that. Whereas with me, I have full belief. Killer just. Yeah, I just know as soon as I get in that ring, it's over for my opponent. Got it. Because he hasn't trained as hard as me. He doesn't want it as much as I want it.

And he hasn't worked as hard as I have. So I just know, you know, with everything that I've done, that no one can beat me. That's awesome. because usually I tell people to have humility, but not in boxing. Yeah, yeah. Like, humility is the loss. No, you definitely do not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, like, obviously, outside the ring, I'm, you know, humble and I'm chill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the ego is all in the ring, and you have to have that. Yeah. Who do you think the most overhyped YouTube boxer is? The most overhyped Jake Paul. No, come on. You're just saying that. I'm not.

Come on. I truly believe he's alive. No, you do not believe that. I do. Jake Paul? Yes. Of all the people? that are getting love right now and their top-frived okay so besides you and him okay who's better than

jake paupil i think so papi would be him really yeah wow yeah i think solpipi would just destroy him yeah i i think jake paul relies on the overhand he relies on i mean his his fighting style is very sloppy it's um you know he does well with combos but he fights people who just don't have any pace man the pace so for someone like woodley well he fought older guys too well yeah yeah but like someone like woodley the pace is just terrible like woodley just isn't didn't put it on him yeah and the one time he did he almost you know knocked him out so and then backed off for yeah exactly so and then for what's his name uh anderson silver the pace again

was just very sluggish it wasn't it wasn't for me I'm there like for six eight rounds just on you like I've worked eight rounds of just being able to be on you no matter what so even if you hit me I'll hit you back harder and then I'll just keep doing this and that's what breaks people and then eventually they just go fuck I need do this I need just protect myself and then you turn into a body bag and I just go ham shifting gears Alex wasabi I idubs what do you think uh i think idubs is gonna win why do you because you have little respect for wasabi because of the pullout um oh probably a bit of that but i just don't rate him yeah i don't think he's that good i think he fights the straight lines and uh yeah i think you just need

him but then your brother what happened yeah well i mean that's my brother though my brother is he has all the talent but just lacks the hard work really yeah which is it's frustrating because i know how i believe he can be better than me wow but if he just doesn't work as hard as me then that's one the reasons why he's you know not at the level he should be wow did you like creator clash one i thought it was amazing yeah yeah i thought it was a very good event uh and it's cool it's like another part of a youtube that um just create this a this boxing event did you hear about it before like before before or only when they announced everything only when they announced yeah Yeah, because they kind of did it quietly.

And I was surprised at the quality. Full stadium. Full stadium. Yeah. The quality of the production, the video. I was surprised. And I was a part of it. Like my, even my agent Keith was like, dude, when they were initially offering

this to us, he's like, this isn't going to come together. You know that, right? Yeah. Nah, nah, nah. No, it was a very good event. Very good event. So this one's going to be double the size, 20,000. Yeah.

Is there a world where misfits and creator clash ever come together? I think that could be cool to do a Misfit X creator clash event. I think that would be really cool. If I was a marketing person, that's what I would recommend. Yeah, I mean, we'll see how this next creative clash does, because obviously it's the biggest stadium. Yeah, I think it's going to do really well. And I think Idubs did not get enough credit for what he did in the ring there.

Yeah. He was tough. No, no, he seems it. He's very tough. And he, honestly, despite looking like, Chris Avila hit me more, I think Idubs did more damage. Oh, wow. Yeah, like the next day after Chris Avila, I was fine.

Like, my rib was sore, but my face had no bruising. Oh, fair. Idubs, I had black eyes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you guys went to war, man. So that was fun. And also, the timing changed and all that was kind of weird. I didn't know how to react to that in the ring because I'm like, wait,

there's a minute left on the clock and he's kind of on the ropes. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that was a bit weird, but no, I think it was a great event. I think that's really cool. I'm excited to watch the next one. There was a question I wanted to ask you about, you know, you've done Prime, you've done this boxing thing, you've crushed YouTube, now you're a singer. Voices is fire.

Yeah. Like, I didn't expect to like it. Okay. Being full honesty, because I didn't know. Yeah, yeah. I'm not exposed to your music. Well, I think because I have so much going on, a lot of people don't realize I also just do music as well.

And you're, dude, this is crazy, some international beef or drama that's happening across the world and social media. Not enough Americans are aware of you. Yeah. Like it's wild. Yeah. You're a fan base is monster. Yeah.

And when I talk to people like you're coming on the podcast or something, they're, because they live in the American bubble, they're not aware of your work. And I feel like that actually bodes in your favor. Yeah. No, I definitely like that. I much rather people listen to me because of the music being good rather than listening to me because I'm curious. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, it definitely works. You know, me working with Oliver. tree I've you know really enjoyed the whole process and the song you know it's just doing its thing it's you know getting a lot of streams and it's cool like it's just you know just slowly growing while I'm doing everything else yeah so yeah it's the music video was jokes and Oliver is just an interesting character for sure yeah you have a love him or hate him and a lot of my fan base hate him

Really? Yeah. But I think it's cool when you have someone who is able to evoke an emotion from people because there's a lot of people who just don't really evoke any emotion. It's kind of just mid and it's just like that. But to have someone truly love you or truly hate you, it shows that the person is definitely special. Yeah.

Do you have a lot of say and what the music video looks like? Oh, no, I let Oliver do with everything. Yeah. I don't know. Did you have inspo from, Napoleon Dynamite on the music video? So I think this is all Oliver. Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oliver just took charge. Wow. Yeah, he was quite hands on. So he instantly came through with a massive batch of ideas and it had a whole script ready and everything. And I was like, oh, wow, okay, then. So I didn't really want to mess up with his idea or his point of view when it came

to the music video. So I kind of just let him take charge. Yeah. I have a heavy question for you. you'll let me. Okay. Boxer, entrepreneur,

restaurateur, all those things that we said. It's your eulogy. Okay. Write it, say it right now. What do you want to be remembered for? Oh,

wow. That is a bit deep. Okay. I want to be remembered as the guy that had nothing, zero subscribers, you know but a dream self-belief and was able to become I don't know what the massive entertainment entrepreneur businessman that he's become today yeah I don't know I probably wouldn't want

that written maybe something a bit more eloquently done a little poetic yeah maybe have Drake read it Yeah, yeah, maybe have him right or some shit like it. But yeah, I think the idea that, you know, I push this to all my audience, you know, no matter who you are, no matter what, you know, where you come from, you can be someone in this world and you can really, you know, get somewhere in life. What you got to do is work hard, have a bit of luck, stay discipline, stay consistent. You know, I always tell my audience, I'm not talented. And I still believe that.

I'm not, you know, I was a clean slate when I started this. And I just worked on every part of my life, every aspect of my life, from the boxing to the music to rapping to the singing to everything, just creating videos. Like, I just started from nothing and I learned and I improved and got better and better over the years. And now I'm able to, you know, just be this thing that I am right now. so this monster that will never lose in the boxing together well yeah that's it that's it like i have no talent except no one will ever beat me in boxing well it's how do you have both thoughts well it's it's all it's all this it's all mental man like big up my therapist chivorn um she really helped me understand my mind and you know really take charge of what this is because this is the

most powerful thing in the world man this can allow you to do anything literally and i truly believe that because i have such great control on my mind that's why i'm in this position and you just have to train it you know even as simple as me you know trying to get a pb on a 10k on the treadmill and so many times throughout me running i'm there like i want to give up i want to stop i want to just go on the sides or i want to just pretend to fall over especially my trainers are there i just want to this is painful this sucks i hate it but then mentally i still just push through it because i'm like at the end you're going to really like be so happy that you end finish this and got a new pb etc so yeah i think for me it's always just being able to push through and push through and be able to survive

in hell I think there's several times especially with boxing I think that's why I love it so much that there's so many times where I'm in hell I'm in hell and it fucking sucks but I'm able to survive there yeah that self-talk is so positive yeah it's ironic because it's coming through a really dark time yeah that is constructed like we always talk about how you can grow from traumas and difficult moments yeah and some people don't have a lot of those because they're lucky and Yeah. Not a lot of bad things have happened. But being on the treadmill, on a fast speed when you're exhausted, you can simulate a very

dark place and then overcoming it feels just as good. Yeah. And I think that's just how you grow as a human. You need to, not that you should be searching to suffer, but, you know, stuff like that. Struggle. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you never struggled in life, if it was just easy, it'd be boring.

Yeah. life would be very boring so yeah what um if you don't mind sharing with the audience because i think it breaks a lot of the stigma what did you work on with your therapist that you said you've been able to change your mindset or your your mind i think for me i just tried to figure out what my purpose in life was or what my values are so you know something uh in my childhood i would always say yes because my parents if i ever said no would just hit me or beat me you know it's just simple as that so i always mentally would always say yes to everything and even on youtube i'd say yes to things always saying yes always saying yes pleasing people and my therapist was like you have to learn

to say no you have to learn to disappoint people because you need to be selfish you need to find time for yourself you know you're constantly giving all this energy out to people so that by the end of the day you have nothing left for yourself so uh you know over the years now i've really really like learned to say no a lot and I've learned to just really just yeah just have time for myself because I know I'm an introverted person you understand myself I'm an introvert person I have an energy bar in life and I feel like once that runs out I need to be by myself sure and I make time for myself because of that and something as simple as me just being in my house just playing games it's just like the best refreshing refreshing it's just nice and even right now you

know i brought my xbox with me to uh america and like after all the press that i do i just come come back to the hotel room and i just play overwatch online and uh yeah just stuff like that just really just helps me who do you mean who do you mean who do i main yeah i main whatever i need to main wow so you're just like a film yeah yeah so i i play my or I'll play sombra, I'll play diva, I'll play Ryanhart. Yeah, I literally, like, I've

realized for me to be either a grandmaster, I need to learn how to be good. What's your rank right now? I'm a diamond. I'm Diamond. I'm Diamond, too. I'm Diamond Moira. Oh, God. Well, I'm a doctor's. I got to heal. Yeah, yeah, of course. Although I DPS Moira sometimes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She can be

fucking annoying, man. Yeah. Although with Overwatch, too, I'm a having one less tank in most cases, it makes her a little bit less useful as a healer. No, I think, especially with the new update, she's quite powerful. Okay, I haven't played it. Yeah, but obviously I feel like mercy is definitely

someone you always have to have. On the team, yeah, for sure. That's funny that we both game. Well, A, I relate to all of your struggles. B, I think, you know, despite you being an introvert and being very limited on time, I'm appreciative that you showed up today. No, no, no. I think, I think, you know, I've learned to also be an extrovert as well.

I think that's why, like, I'm able to be, like, okay in front of the camera and not be like, oh, shit. Like, it's just, again, improving myself as a human. Yeah. Well, nonetheless, thank you for. Nah, it's so good. It's so good. Well, the last question before we do a little reflex round.

Reflects. Yeah. Well, it's like a lightning round, but we're a medical thing. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm about to hit my knee and some shit. No, we're checking your boxing. Yeah, yeah.

You're ready? Who's your person? Who's my person? Yeah. Whatever that means to you. I mean, instantly it was my girlfriend. Like, that's the first thing that came to my head. Yeah.

But I won't say her name. No, no, I'm not trying to get a juicy detail out of you. I'm just trying to sort of figure out how. Because we need that. We need the support system. Yeah. That's so crucial. She's my rock.

Yeah. Without her, I legit wouldn't be in this position. I would be a very lost human being, yeah. So when you're traveling and doing all this, you guys still? I talk to her like every day, every single day. Yeah, she's love of my life. And you managed to keep it on the deal. Yep, I know, very hard.

Broths, I don't know how you do. I know, yeah, we make it work. Okay, all right, well, congratulations. No, thank you. Who's your person? Oh, that's a good question. I'm going to say something corny like my dog bear, but my person has changed over the years

because I went in and out of relationship. and I've lost friends because of relocations and things like that. People moved around. Right now, it's funny because... You're camera, man. Actually, these guys are probably my people because we spent a lot of time together. But it's probably my dad because despite my dad being a very strict parent

who also didn't show a lot of affection, we've been through a lot together. when I was in medical school, like let me just give you like a 20 second summary. We came to America when we were six. My dad went to medical school for a second time, residency for a second time in America, in a new language, learned a language,

did it all to get our family back on our feet. We were on welfare, broke. And then he finally got a level of success. And I'm in medical school. He's so proud. He's excited and my mom dies. Oh, shit. So 25 years of marriage,

finally went through this terrible, you know, overseas journey, and then everything's lost for him. Mad. So, like, some people probably would awkwardly judge me for this, but after my mom passed away for the first week, I slept in the same bed with my dad. Yeah. Because we were both in a really bad place.

No, no, I fully understand that. So, yeah. It was rough, and because we grew through that together, we have a level of understanding and respect for each other that I think most father and son combos might not have because of the things we've experienced, the successes and failures we both had. So it's unique in that way.

Oh, wow. So probably deeper than I thought I was going to go. It's beautiful. Okay, let's do our quick little lightning round here. Oh, I hit me. Okay. How much of it is boxing related? None of it.

Oh, wow. Yeah, this is me checking your reflexes. All right. Question one. What's the healthiest part of your body? Probably. Don't say anything dirty. Ah, okay.

I'd say my lungs. Okay. One part of your body, you wish you could replace? Um, uh, you could say you're perfect. I don't know. I wouldn't replace anything. I think I'm just, I'm happy why I am. You've reached Nirvana.

So props to you. Oh, wow. I don't know. Um, all right, what's one thing that raised your blood pressure this week? This week that's raised my blood. I don't. Because this is the checkup, like I'm giving you the checkup. Yeah.

Raise your blood pressure. Just probably whenever I lose a game on Overwatch. Okay. Yeah, people just, I know, pissing me off. Rage quit or something, yeah. Not even rage quit. Just won't peel for you as mercy. Well, people, whenever I'm, yeah, whenever I'm fucking support and no one protects me.

Yeah. And I'm like, guys. you need me okay i feel you um what's one item you'll bring with you to the afterlife you can't bring anything to well if you could this is imaginary it's basically what's the most important item to you but we phrased it in a cool way oh okay um don't say your x-box what honestly i've no idea i've never really for anything like that i just because i know i can't bring anything so i'm like you could i give you a pass right now if i give you a doctor's note to bring something but then i don't know what i'd want to bring like that's the question

the internet oh yeah that was a good one yeah i think that'd be pretty interesting so when i die i still get to figure out what the fuck's going on okay you have like a hack um all right have you ever almost died um probably every time i've been in the ring really No, no. Honestly, I don't know. I don't think I've ever been close to death. I don't know. Maybe I have. Maybe I've been close to several times and I just wouldn't realize. I don't fear death. Yeah, I just, if I die, I'd die. It's just, I'll just dab my way to to the graveyard, man. Well, I will say that the question was put there so that we could say, we're glad you didn't die and they were able to come in for the checkup. So where can people learn more about you? Check out my music.

I've got a few albums. I've got a new song, voices, Oliver Tree. Oliver Tree says it's his worst song ever. So you can be the judge. God, you're so good at promo. I don't want to watch it again just to see why it's his worst. Got Prime. It's a drink that people enjoy.

Be sure to check that out. If you're able to find it. I've got the sideman. We make random YouTube videos. It's pretty fun. I make YouTube videos. I've got two channels, one music, one other channel where I just do random things

from trying not to laugh to me just looking at Reddit to me playing football sometimes once every like five years. With the side men, we've got XIX, vodka. We've also got sides, which is like a food restaurant thing where you can order on deliveroo or I mean, well, I don't know for Americans, what would it be?

Do you have deliveroo in it? C-Boyus, Grubhub, Uber Eats. Yeah. Okay, Uber Eats, yeah. Well, I think we're working on getting it over into America. All right, so we'll see you next year on the podcast when you're a billionaire. Got it.

All right, yeah, basically. Yeah.