The Checkup with Doctor Mike - Marques Brownlee Gets A Checkup

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Watch the full-length video version here: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/youtube/MarquesFullV2 Subscribe to Marques here: https://www.youtube.com/c/mkbhd Marques Brownlee, also known as MKBHD, is one of the most prolific YouTubers on the platform. Boasting over 16 million subscribers, Marques prides himself on having the most cutting edge and high-quality tech videos on the internet. How does Marques make his iPhone reviews stand out from the competition? Try by investing in a $250,000 robotic camera to give his videos a look nobody can match, for starters. When Marques isn't producing tech content out of his studio in New Jersey, he actually plays professional frisbee. I not only asked him about his thoughts on all things tech (wearables, crypto, his own line of products, etc.) but his personal life as well. I wanted to "unbox" Marques myself to see what makes him tick. Executive Producer and Host: Dr. Mike Varshavski Produced by Dan Owens and Sam Bowers Art by Caroline Weigum CONTACT: [e-mail]

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Pee-woo. I mean, usually is just to get my levels. Like, is that a good distance? Oh, yeah, you don't have to worry. Yeah, we keep it optional. That's why I got these. But then in all the videos, a lot of people are leaving comments that they think this is a hearing aid. Yeah, or like one of those like pop star.

Yeah. I'm trying to be a pop star. Yeah. It looks good. I got to wear one of those. mics the other day that was like. Oh, the stage mic. The Ted mic. Where'd you wear it for? I did it. I was at the Creator Summit like two weeks

ago. Oh. Well, we were there together. You were there, yeah. Okay. And I was like the best feeling. Oh, that's right. You had the interview with Michelle, Ludwig. Yep. And I forgot who and a shorts creator. And a shorts creator. I love that we separate them. Because it was like so many of the faces I'd never seen before and most of them

were shorts creators. And so it was like meeting all new YouTubers, who just blew up and you're like, okay, so what's your channel like? Exactly. I've just done shorts for a year. Yeah. Well, that's what they said that their strategy was. By the way, for folks who don't know, Creator Summit is basically where they bring in some of the top YouTube talent to learn how to make thumbnails, I guess. No, I'm just kidding. It's a mix of networking. Talking to us, also talking to them, talking to each other. Yeah, yeah. And this year, what separated it, it was our first year back since pandemic. Yep. And it was my first one.

actually. So it was pretty exciting. And a lot of new faces. So, like, as you said, shorts creators, creators, I would say I didn't know 75% of people. Yeah, I've been to other years where it was like everyone, I know everyone. I watch a lot of YouTube. So I've seen all everyone's videos. I've seen your videos. I've seen, I mean, it's the Renton Links. Everyone's, it's a North American creator summit. I've seen people's videos. And then I'm like, you know, I do watch some shorts, but there's a lot of people here who I've never seen before. And that was a pretty good sign of the tide. Yeah. Are you scared of that? No, it's more of like a how do we work it. It's happening quickly, which is interesting. But I'm not, I'm not scared of it as much as I'm

trying to figure it out, which is probably healthier. I don't know. I mean, it's definitely a healthier approach. It's more constructive. YouTube, though, they like to create features and then abandon them. Stories, posts. Yeah. If it gets, yeah, exactly. You try to like hear the YouTube people out and like listen to how strong are they're leaning into things. Oh, stories are a thing. Wink, wink, wink. You're like, all right. They're like post and people will sub to your channel. I'm like, but if they don't watch, what was the purpose? That's always the pitch. It's like, oh, what do creators want? Views and subscribers? All right. Well, just tell them that it will help with those things. But yeah, no, this entire Creator Summit. And I kind of knew

it was coming, but like, yeah, TikTok, here to stay. Yeah. We saw Vine. We saw what that happened. Like some of these things are a little ephemeral, but like, yeah. Shorts are here to stay. Yeah, for sure. It's going to be a part. Are you curious how they're going to continue this, quote-unquote, bridge of if people watch your shorts, they will also watch your long-form content. Very.

And that's why I've started, have you started doing shorts? Yeah. I'll occasionally throw in a short. Same. But you have a channel. I have the main channel and I have a shorts channel, but I'm now starting to do shorts on the main channel. And I'm very curious.

I'm like watching, I see the numbers. The weird thing I've noticed, maybe it's not weird, but the like curve of a normal video, which is like first three days and then however long the tail is. And the curve of a video that hits the shorts feed is like one of these. And you're like, okay, what, what happened here, what happened here? And so I'm watching that. I'm watching to see how many people end up going from shorts to the main channel and different types of shorts. I think we're just trying to figure out how to make an MKBHD video, but shorter. And so those people will actually want to see more videos. Very true. Instead of just like something throw away.

What was your concern starting a shorts channel as opposed to implementing shorts on the main? My main philosophy of the main channel is I make videos that I would want to watch. And when I see- You're like I don't want to watch shorts? I just don't like watching shorts. I'm subscribed to lots of channels and then I see a short from that channel and I don't click it. I guess it's like a bit audience expectation. Like I go to I might be subscribed to 300-400 channels and like I know what I expect from those channels. So when I'm expecting a 10-minute video and I get a 30-second video, I kind of, I'm not into it.

Yeah. But that's also how I felt about mid-rolls. And I enabled mid-rolls one day, and nobody even said a word. And I was like, this is weird. Okay, three times the revenue, fine. Okay, I guess that's fine. Back to the interview in just a second, but first, I want to talk to you about NordVPN, a service that protects your internet connection and privacy online.

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Yeah. Because with health, there's so many facts, but fact, but fact, but fact, but fact, that it's hard to package something in 60 seconds and then make it buzzy without selling BS. Right. So what is it, Dr. Mike Short versus a regular video then? So what I've tried to do, and it's both been successful and then unsuccessful at the same time, is try to make less evergreen content in shorts, where it's very quick. So let's say a trending topic appears.

Mr. B. Scott buried for two days. What risks is he facing? Because that's not enough for a full YouTube video. Right. But in 60 seconds, I could say, you know, carbon dioxide poisoning from the fireworks going off. being worried in a closed space, where is he going to go to the bathroom, that kind of stuff. Right. I had kind of the opposite approach, which is shorts, well, we'll find out, but like shorts might have a longer tail than a normal video. So maybe I'm trying to do even more

evergreen than normal. Oh, wow. Like here's some tips and tricks for some devices you might have around, like your iPhone, your nest thermostat, whatever. And then that is so non-time sensitive that it will live forever in shorts feed and just get served over and over. At least that's my theory, because tech videos have a short tail. Yes. I agree. That's worked. And it's actually tech related.

I did a watch, a review about Apple Watches causing rashes on people's wrists. Okay. On a short. Again, not something you would do in a long form video anyway. Yeah. Unless it's like real bad. No, it's not. I mean, it's just like either a fungal or bacterial rash or something.

Because people just don't take them off. Yeah. Yeah. And my tan's not that bad anymore, but it was pretty obvious before. Yeah. So I did that, and that has a really long tail. That's longer tail because it's the watch, but it's just the watch. Instead of watch Series 8 this year.

Which is hilarious, by the way. Series 8, 7, I'm like. It's, yeah, it's the same as last year. Exactly, yeah. But yeah, that's fair. Yeah, no, I'll, I'm sort of, I want to experiment with it, see how it goes, adjust to audience reactions. So far, they've been pretty positive.

I don't see any, like, what I was expecting was people to go, oh, no, you're making shorts. I hate this. stop making shorts, but I haven't seen that. So that's a good sign. So we're just going to start seeing worse. Yeah, the audience feedback seems really positive. It's all about that bridge if it evolves for them to watch long form content. Right. Because for you, you also have, I mean, it is your main business and it's a huge business. I've seen your studio on Colin and Samir show. You're thinking about expanding after two years. So clearly business is going well. Yeah. What impact does shorts have

on that expansion plan for you? The fun part about shorts is the production lift is so low that it doesn't feel like it has that big of an input on what work we have to do. Like a main channel video might take a week. A short might take four hours. Like we think of a good idea at 9 o'clock and it's up by noon.

Yeah. And it's like, okay, I guess if this is going to have a positive impact on the business, it's kind of a no-brainer. Let's just try it a few times. but yeah, maybe that means there's another editor down the road that just does shorts or something like that. I don't think it's, it's, we're not doing that many. But do you think it ever eats into the monetization of long form content?

Oh, no, I think there's two pools of views. That's a good question. I think a lot of people are like, are shorts going to eat the pie that long form has built for the last 15 years? And I don't think so because, well, we'll see. But like, TikTok has emerged out of nowhere. And YouTube's still huge and still doing great. There's this new style of watching short videos, and you can have that too.

So I think it's just overall growth on top of growth. I don't think it's like, all right, if I do shorts, and then I have to start winding down the long form videos or something like that. I think it's just both. I'm hopeful that I think the short thing will always exist, but it won't be as hot as it is now. That's fair. Because I think people will crave that human connection of a longer piece of content.

I don't know. The attention span thing, though, is like, didn't we shorten everyone's attention span? Although videos have gotten longer on one hand. Exactly. But then, like, shorts are just so, like, instant. The thing is, I'm going to go medical on this. Okay. The drugs that have the worst withdrawal are the ones people hate using. Okay.

In that they want to come off of them. Right. Which is similar to, I think I've heard you say this before, or maybe we've said it in the chat and you were there that people say they wish they could delete TikTok from their phone because it's so disruptive to their lives but no one says that about YouTube

okay this is all true and the second thing that I feel contributes to this more from a political stance is everything behind the geopolitical sphere of TikTok which is that it's based in

China. There's potentially some data concerns. Do you have any fear of that? Do you have TikTok on your phone? I do. Okay. I do. And that is like a back of the mind concern. But yeah, I just, I feel like the format is what blew up. Like we had Vine and Vine was, I think we never got past six seconds. Six seconds. It was always six seconds, right? Okay. So we got six seconds. Vine blew up and the format was really cool and then it went away. But the format was still obviously hot. In the Vines. Yeah. TikTok up and like this discoverability, which is just like the algorithm learning you so well that you don't even search for videos on TikTok, it just finds you and you just scroll for a while. I think that has its own value that's, that feels long term to me.

And there will always be a value to like, this is why I make YouTube videos, which is like, if someone is in a purchase decision and they need to like, all right, I'm going to buy a new phone, I need to go watch three or four videos on these phones to figure out what's good about them. I'm going to search and I'm going to watch. I don't want a 12 second video. I need to figure out what's worth the money. So I'm going to watch those longer videos. And that has its own value. So it's not like the value of this increasing changes the value of the other thing. Both things will be real for a long time, I think. But we finally have an algorithm and a platform that's so good at it that it can finally start to get traction and blow up a little bit.

It is. You're right. It's very good at it. I've heard stories of people. saying they've realized things about their sexuality after watching TikTok because it started showing them videos that they didn't expect to see. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that story of Amazon getting so good at recommendations that like a dad logged into their daughter's account and was like, why are you recommending pregnancy things? Nobody's pregnant. And it turns out they knew before the daughter did. What? Oh, I didn't hear that. No, that's crazy. I would think you would, okay, so I'll explain a little deeper. Someone, you know, obviously Amazon tracks what you buy and knows the habits and histories. It can figure out who you are based on what you buy.

And so if you start buying certain like face cream or like things that certain like side effects of pregnancy might affect you in a certain way where you start buying things in a certain order, soon enough it's like you're going to need diapers in three months. Dude, this is the scariest thing I've ever heard. Yeah. So the algorithms know you really well. Wow. So that's that's TikTok for you. TikTok figures out who you are and what you like and serves it to you. Yeah. No, I think that is probably the best thing that TikTok has done to bring to our tech space. But I think the idea of the short form content is not going to be here to stay in such a

mega way because we already see with TikTok saying, oh, we're allowing three-minute videos, maybe even longer videos. And now it's like, wait, are you YouTube now? Like, what are you doing? Fair, fair. I guess TikTok is not just short necessarily, but it's relatively short and vertical. True. And it's like, it fills up the whole screen of your phone.

and you don't search or hit a recommended thumbnail, you just scroll, and it figures you out. So whether that's a minute or they realize that we can do that in two or three minutes or now it's up to 10, I don't see that many 10-minute TikToks though. Yeah, no, I don't either. And that's why I think it's not great

to see a video in vertical that's longer than 60-second. Even like 60-second videos don't do well. Yeah, you see the little thing scrolling out the bottom. You're like, how long is this video now? You're like, just fast forward. It's a new part. And also, they, in making the longer form,

content. In making the shorter form content so valuable, they allow people who edit in a very specific way be successful because it's satisfying to the eye and mind. Someone just asked me about a cooking channel that was getting mega views. And he's like, how in the world is this person getting views cutting up tomatoes? And I'm like, honestly, it's the style of that edit, but that's going to get tiring to people because everyone's going to do it. I see what you're saying. Yeah, and I watch some TikToks too where I'm like, number one, I can tell that this is going to blow up. It's going to be popular. It's very shareable.

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I guess you can't always make TikToks the same way. But also something we've known about YouTube is that algorithm evolves over time. and YouTubers chase this inevitably, but it's like, what is YouTube prioritizing this year or this decade or this period? And that could happen with TikTok too. They could figure out, you know,

hey, it turns out we know people really well, but we also have better long-term stay on the site if we serve them more 10-second videos instead of less 45-second videos. So now suddenly 10-second videos do really well. And then you see way more 10-second videos and then what happens to us and our brains? I don't know.

But, yeah, algorithms changing and then content changing around the algorithm is real. Tech Talk hasn't really been around long enough to see a shift like that yet. But right now, yeah, short videos, quick-hitting videos, they hit real hard. That's the McDonald's right now. Yeah, it's the McDonald's right now.

That's doing well for human brains. Yeah, it's the McGritle. What's your biggest problem with YouTube right now? I have been pretty lucky to not have that many problems with YouTube. Like monetization, age-gating. All great. You're never going to really run into an age-gating issue on a tech.

Look, I make product videos that I don't curse in. They're PG. They're family-friendly. They have a really consistent audience. Like, I don't have too many problems with YouTube. And I live through a lot of those, like, semi-apocalyptic things that happen on YouTube, where I'm like, well, good thing I'm not making edgy videos, right? be really screwed right now.

No, I don't think I have any complaints, which sounds really... That's great. Yeah. Well, that's great for this. Now I know why your business is booming and you need to expand. And so I've built my business on it. It's great. Yeah, yeah.

And then, so where do you expand to? Like, not physically, but... Yeah. Well, so my videos are all tech products, but even inside of that, it's like gadgets, handheld stuff, and then, like, products around that. And I realize my interests are a little broader than that. So I'm, like, making videos about the edges of that stuff, like electric cars are, like, kind of gadgets on wheels, but separate channel because people expect car videos in one place.

Let's just do them there. We have a podcast. It's a YouTube channel, but it's like, oh, now we get really into the weeds, and it's an hour and a half. So it's a little different. So that's the expansion I'm thinking about. But I guess the, like, natural arc of someone who uses a lot of products and has a good context and feel for them is like what if I made my own product and like compared them with the others that exist already that would be cool but that's that's down the road somewhere so okay so product uh you know

i noticed you don't have a book out for a YouTuber of your experience i found that interesting i don't fancy myself a writer okay well i guess i technically write my videos but like a book is a lot of work yeah i don't know i'm trying to do that are you writing a book yeah it's I guess I could just write down the story of how I built what I built. You can, yeah. Or like an autobiography or something. But also mine is not that interesting. I mean, it's pretty interesting.

And I want to get into that. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's the part. I mean, I've seen many appearances that you've done on podcasts, watched your videos. Very few times do they get into the history of you? And you have a very interesting life. And also, we kind of have a lot of similarities.

You're right over the water in Jersey. Yep. Is that where you grew up? Yep. Oh, so I work in Jersey. Okay. My hospital's in Summit, New Jersey. Okay.

I've been there since 2014. Nice. And you're in what part of Jersey? I'm in, so our studio is in Carney, which is like, it's like tucked near Newark Airport, basically. Got it. And we can see the city from there. Okay. And then I've been in like North Jersey living around Essex County, Burgen County.

Cool. Okay. Yeah. And you are a professional athlete. Yep. I'm trying my hand at becoming a professional. professional athlete. I have my professional debut boxing match

in 10 days now. It's not a one-off. Are you going to keep going with it? I've done one already as an exhibition and I really liked it. So hopefully fighting a UFC fighter will go well. And if it doesn't, then I realized I should stick to my day job. You get an instant like, do I like this

or not? Exactly, right? I felt like I might as well dive in. Like, I could keep fighting YouTubers and all that. But it's time to figure out. Is this for real? Is that, so this arc that I keep seeing of YouTuber going on to fight someone. Can you explain this? Why did this become the sport that everyone decided?

That's a really great question. I think there's something to the story of like whenever I see fight promo from just fighters, they have to create a reason for them to fight. Like, oh, why would I fight someone in real life? Oh, you said something about my family or something. Like fake beef? Yeah, so they just make beef and then that sells the fight. And that's the best, you know, Floyd sells fights because he's good at that.

Yeah, I feel like people took the page out of Floyd's book doing. that. But I don't think you need to do that. That's sort of what I've been avoiding. It seems like that's the reason why YouTubers pick that sport, though? Yes. Does that make sense? Okay. Yes. That they can almost like, what is it called street beef from back in the day. Yeah, like they have a built-in audience and they can create a beef and they can sell. Like, we could do the same thing but track and field and less people would watch. It's like, I'm so mad. I'm going to beat you in the 100 meter dash. Exactly. It's hard to talk smack in rice. So that, I guess that's why. That and also,

I feel the successful people in the space were a little bit controversial. Yep. So people would watch to watch them get knocked out. That's true. That is another good point. Yeah. I'm hoping people don't watch me. Yeah.

Well, I don't do that. I run around and catch a Frisbee. Yeah, but you're a champion this year. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Undefeated. Yes.

Dude. So I, first of all, I need to make a video eventually explaining Frisbee because there are so many nuances that are hard to explain to people. Yes, we went undefeated in the pro season. So I play for a pro team. I also play for a club team in the same city by a different name

with some of the same players. That's hard to explain. They don't get paid. Slightly different rules. One of them has spectators. One of them doesn't. But yes, the pro team New York Empire is the one that's easy to promo because it operates like a NBA team

or something. You have fans. you have games to go to, tickets. And that was a great year for that team. But not a great year for the club team. A pretty good year for the club team, too. Lots of great players, but that season is actually not over yet. Okay.

I guess by the time this airs, we will have our nationals, which is in a week from now. But it would be pretty sick to win club and pro. And actually earlier this year was the World Championships for Club that we also won. So New York is kind of a fire city to be an ultimate player right now. That's crazy. Yeah. And you got into that from high school days or college days?

Yes, high school. Your high school had a frisbee team? Our high school invented Ultimate Frisbee in the 60s. You're cheating. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's a big deal. It's a big deal.

Columbia High School, Maple, New Jersey. It's in the Wikipedia and everything. Invented the sport. First game ever played. The inventors of the sport were inducted into the Hall of Fame like two years ago in the high school, which is amazing, and I got to be there for that. But, yeah, when I got there, they had a varsity team, a junior varsity team, coaches, tournaments that they traveled to every week.

It was just like any other team for a sport at a high school. And then when did you become pro? The pro league started in 2013, 2012, and I started in 2013. Got it. And I'm curious being a YouTuber in that league, do you ever pitch your sponsors for your YouTube channel? I'd be like, you want to throw your name on my jersey, or no? No, it's funny. I keep the world's completely separate.

Really? Completely separate. Okay. It is a very left brain, right brain thing where, you know, we're in a studio, we have our tech things that we're going on and we do that. And then the weekend hits or, you know, our night practice or whatever. And I just flip that side completely off. And I flip the other side on, which is, you know, a more competitive, different version that gets to enjoy, you know, teammates, like a sport and like all that stuff. And I never really cross those worlds. unless there's like a video of a game that's worth watching and then I'll try to grow the sport and share it in that way. But yeah, I don't really cross them too much. What's been the feedback from your audience onto the sport?

Do you think you've increased a viewership? Oh, yeah, definitely. No, I think so. And I think the league realizes that it's a good thing that I do. But I think it's positive because people want to see like what you do in the time that you're not also making. They just know you as the person on front of the camera. Yeah, what's that like for you?

For me, I'll just say people view me as the doctor of YouTube. So they come from medical information. And I probably have less of a fandom than most YouTubers my size. Do you have that same issue or are your fans of you? No, I agree. Same. I think tech viewers are generally a little more chill, a lot more at home. I have this memory of an old creator summit where, you know, they tell people, remember they're like, don't post on social media.

You don't want to know where people find out where we are. They're going to show up, right? inevitably someone does it every year and we are at a hotel in Brooklyn and I just remember like getting to the front door and I was going to take the Uber home and I look out the door

and there's just like 300 screaming 12 year old girls just like oh we know somebody's inside Lily Pons isn't there somebody or whatever and I definitely just like saw the Uber pull up behind them I opened the door

and I just walked right through the middle of them and none of them even playing through you knew who I was and I was like that's perfect so you like it that way You like the separation. That's great. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think parasycial relationships are so hard to manage psychologically. Yeah. I'm scared of them. Yeah. You've got to manage what you share and like how much of it becomes a part of your online persona because people will latch on anything. Well, if you're leaning into pariscial relationships, you're sharing a lot, if not everything.

Yeah. And that's where it becomes tricky because it's when you ask for time to yourself, when they've signed up and you promised them that you were going to give them access 24-7. And I worry about those creators the most when it comes to mental health-wise. Yeah, I've been pretty lucky in that as a product reviewer, I don't view myself as the star of the show. I think it's important that I'm giving you a look at the product and what it's like to own the product. And like the fact that my voice is palatable for someone to like understand all this stuff is great. But like the video's on the thing and you're here for the thing.

So that's the pressure is actually on the tech companies to make cool tech products Get it on camera I don't have to do I don't have to do too much I just point the camera and I show you what I can find about it But that's I think why I've been able to avoid the burnout that comes up like every time you talk to a creator Which is like I'm doing so much I'm sharing so much The boundaries keep getting wider and wider and there's nothing left to myself I set up those boundaries really early and I don't cross them and I think that's because people aren't here for me.

They're here for the thing that I'm playing the camera at. That seems like it's a very straightforward approach. Do you ever get like hate online for anything? Like people say to me, you're not a real doctor, you went to a shit medical school,

whatever it is. It's like, I did go to medical school, but you don't like the one I went to. No, the hate that tech YouTubers get is, oh, you seem like you like this company too much. It's kind of like a sports team type thing.

Oh. People take, and I would say irrational, but they take a very heavy exception to you saying negative things about the thing that they bought. Oh, okay. Well, because they love the thing they bought. And in a lot of ways, a piece of tech is like the most personal thing that you buy. Like the phone you have in your pocket, you hold that thing every day. You use it every day. The way you use it is yours.

No one else's phone is like yours. And so for me to come on the camera and say that there's bad things about it, it's like, that's my thing. Like talking shit about a friend. Yeah. So people get really defensive and really into, I guess, understandably, their personal choice of tech. So, yes, I will sometimes get comments about, wow, I guess you really like Apple this week. You're like Samsung, Samsung can pay you enough to say nice things. Like, it doesn't bother me because obviously I'm trying to be neutral about everything. But that is a, that is a classic tech hate comment. It's just, oh, how biased you look today. Interesting. Do you ever doomscroll on Reddit? Of course. Of course. Is that, like, do you hate it?

Reddit is fun because Reddit was one of the earliest tastes of comments I got from people who don't watch the videos. So I find that I get, I get, like, decent feedback on stuff from people who watch the videos, but usually they're pretty positive. When a video blows up on Reddit, there's thousands of comments from people who've never seen your face before, and you get the most objective, honest feedback. And I don't know if it's doom scrolling or just me going, I never thought about that before. Like really useful comments.

Like what? Like what have you seen? Just like the way a video is structured, I know I'm making it for YouTube, so it's like, I want to hook early in the video, I want to make sure I introduce the topic and design things this way. But then people will be like, wow, I like how he just like got right into it. Oh, I never thought about that. Yeah, I guess I don't have the normal like, hey, what's up? Today, I'm going to do this and then go here and this. I'm just like, here's the product. Let's get into it. So like things you just, yeah, don't really think of too much. I think the first time viewer is the most constructive. I think for me on Reddit, it's, I get a lot of people who've never watched my content and still don't want to watch it and just call me a doucheback. So that's where the trouble I run into Doomscrow. I feel like my dream critique is just looking over the shoulder of someone who discovers a video for the first time and just watching them watch a video. What do they pause on? What do they rewind on?

Like I want to see a bunch of those examples. Do some eye tracking on them? Yes, please. I want to know all the detailed data. I don't get to do that obviously, but maybe Reddit is. is the closest thing to it. That's funny. You've interviewed some mega people, the late Kobe Bryant,

presidents, presidents of companies. You're starting your own tech company right now. Okay. Who are you hiring to be CEO? I can choose anyone. Anyone. I mean... Living or dead.

Oh, wow. Okay, Apple Watch. Google's got an answer. Pixel Watch. Yeah, Pixel Watch has got not good answers. though. Wait, did it really hear me? Yeah, it got part of what you said, and then it was Googling, like, companies. Anyone dead or alive, you said?

Yeah. I mean, the thing about a lot of the business leaders you talk to is they can be nice people, but they have to be ruthless business leaders to get to where they are and to get the companies they run to where they are. Was that a nice way of saying they're old douchebags? No, no, they have to be a certain way to be successful. But they're nice people on camera. I'm sure there are people who work for them

that feel differently about them than I do. That's probably where I'm going. I agree, though. Yes, and that's fine. So when I think of who I'd want to run my company, it's probably someone like Tim Cook, who's just stone cold, like logistics guy who will just make it work,

or like an Elon Musk, who will just will it into existence by saying it on Twitter over and over until the engineers go, I guess we're doing it. That type of thing is... So you want all or none leadership? I want somebody who is into the product, for sure. That's, I think, underrated. I think there's a lot of good business leaders who are good at running

businesses, but not really into the products that they make, which is fascinating. I think I want a product person. And then, yeah, a ruthless business leader. Okay. I'm going to flip it. Which one of the people you've interviewed, would you want a box? Would I want to box? I know who I wouldn't want a box. Who don't you want a box? Kobe. Kobe is a... He's like six, Eight. Yeah. Legend. And when I interviewed him, I was like a scrawny teenager.

I was like, oh, my God. Who would I want to box? Well, that's a loaded question. That's a bunch of really cool people. I think I could probably take Neil deGrasse Tyson. We're going to set that up. I could probably take him. We're going to set that up.

Nicest guy ever, by the way. Probably nicest person I've interviewed. Really? Yes. Okay. Well, you set yourself up for this one. Who is the worst? I'm not gonna box him, but he's like the grandpa who like shows up at the Thanksgiving dinner

and just has endless cool stories and like everybody loves listening to them. He's that for science. Yeah, I agree with that. I think he sparks natural curiosity even when you don't care about what he's talking about, which is rare. Yeah, I got to do a master class and I watched his master class because he is just an incredible communicator of things. And the things that he's explaining are really hard to understand

and then explain to people who don't know about them. So I love when he'll come on TV, him and Bill Nye, they'll get called on TV to explain, like, so what just happened with, like, hitting this asteroid out of space to, like, what is even going on here? And he'll, like, sit back and he'll go, okay, well, you know about cars, right? And he'll just elaborately paint this picture for you

and give you, and you'll look it up later, a very accurate scientific explanation of real, like, literacy. Like, you get it now. and that is like awesome to me. I love that. That's my favorite thing. I agree with you on that. You know, I notice that you outsource somewhat your new ventures.

Your podcast is with Vox, Masterclass, not your own course. I guess it is your own course, but co-owned with Masterclass or co-produced with. Why do you choose to do that as opposed to doing it on your own with such a big team? How big do you think my team is? I have no idea. I would say like a dozen. It is exactly a dozen. Yeah, well played.

Look at that. They taught me something in medical school. It is, so my team is built around their functions and they're all very good at like their functions and interoperability as a team to like run the channels that we run. So if we want to take on an extra project, the great part about the team is I can leave what we're currently doing with them while I go do that project instead of, giving them extra on top of what we're already doing. So Masterclass is a good example. They came to me saying, we want to do this course, and it's going to be about talking on camera and making videos online. And they were willing to work with me on the curriculum. And once we shot it, they edited everything. My team didn't have to edit. My team didn't have to

shoot, light, produce, anything. So I think that was a win because I got to express and show what I wanted over there and then not give extra work to the team and we can keep making stuff on the channel. Got it. So they're keeping the gears turning. With everything else. The reason I ask is I'm actively filming my own course for professionals, bankers, doctors, real estate agents who want to get into media, not just YouTube, but also television.

And I debated going down the road of working with a partner. And then I was like, I have so much of the equipment. I have a team. Maybe I can hire one or two freelancers to help with some of the load. And I don't know if it's been the right move so far. So you've done that. So I guess if you're getting through the production fine, then that's a win. The last step is like the distribution, which is like you have the channels for it,

but do you want to put it on your channel? Do you want to make a new channel for it? Like those last few decisions that I didn't have to make are probably the hardest ones. True. But I feel like there are some shows and things that I participated in that I actually wish I had done with my own team. Like what? things like retro tech which are like amazing productions and super fun to be a part of but huge for no reason huge yes exactly you already you probably have already seen the picture on painting

which is like yeah we could do this with our own team and it would be really good but here we are like shooting six weeks for three hours so yeah yeah that's tough because they have their own union rules and legal reasons for doing what they do and I understand that why they have to do that as a big company, but I think that's the beauty of what YouTube allows us to do, to function as small businesses that are way more efficient, which is kind of different than real business. Usually it's the huge businesses like Amazon that are efficient and the small mom and pop shops that struggle with efficiency. But here it's somehow the other way. Maybe there's like a tipping point of like you start off really efficient because

it's just you. And then the load becomes so much that like you can't divide your brain that many ways. And so you hire a team and then it's chaos. And then when you get a big enough team, it's efficient again. So there's probably like a dip in the middle where you're just figuring it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because everyone on my team that's local. We have a few international people that work full time on the channel. Nice. Everyone's six three and your six three. Everyone's six three. How weird is that? Exactly six three. Everyone in the room right now is six three. Did that be, that's true. How weird is that become? How did you figure that? That's not a hiring thing.

Yeah, like, you just realized one day, like, so far everyone's 6-3. And did you add someone after realizing that everyone was 6-3? Yes. And they happened to also be a 6-3? Correct. That's insane. Right? Whoa.

How weird. So you guys could make, like, a pretty sick, like, wreck basketball team or something. Or Frisbee? Or Frisbee team, exactly. You could coach us up. You could be the coach at 6-3. Yeah. Yeah. I'd play.

I'd play. I would play. Someone would coach. But, yeah, that would be, that's hilarious. But, yeah, I thought that was a random, fun fact to share. doing sports for so long. I've even heard you on another podcast talk about that you've probably done it too much at times

playing for five teams or something at once. What are your injuries like? Good question, yeah. The most common injuries in a sport like that are leg injuries, mostly overuse, yeah, like hamstring. I'm dealing with pettler tendonitis in my knee for a year, exactly. Actually, well, I had a burstitis first

because I hit it against the ground and the burst of knee stuff. Was it very inflamed? Yeah, it did the golf ball thing. And then it was there for like a day and then it still swells up every time I play. Wow, okay.

But then you have weird freak injuries. Like I broke my hand in college in at practice diving for a disc on the turf and then like caught your finger? Yeah, caught my finger, snapped it backwards. It was clean, super clean.

So it was good for the surgery. But like sitting there like, I don't like that at all. Did you faint? No. The closest I came to fainting was when they took the stitches out. Really?

I did not like looking at. You should have come to my office. I would have done it so easily, yeah. I mean, they sat me down and they did it, but like I was totally fine for the entire process until they took the stitches out. But it hurt or they just, you were nervous about? No, just looking at it.

Yeah. Just looking at it. It was weird. The surgery was fine, no problem. Wow. I had a cool thing where I put my, you know, x-ray is usually like a photo. Yeah.

But they had, you've seen these machines where you like put your hand in and it's a live x-ray. Yeah. Yeah, like a floral machine. I'd never seen that before. And I like turned my hand and then I saw the x-ray turn. Yeah. It was crazy.

Yeah, we use those for spinal injections. We also do it for stents. And we put stents inside the heart. Right. You use live imaging like that. Yeah. Yeah, I've been pretty healthy generally, I think, for most of my career. I've had a long playing career for an athlete.

Yeah. I've played since 2007. That's a lot of years. It's 15 years. A lot of running, a lot of calories. And a lot of count. Do you track that? Are you a truck?

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the whole, like, yeah. Every time. Every time. What do you look at? It just gives you, like, total calories, max heart rate, average heart rate, like the basics. It's just a hit workout the whole time.

In like a workout. I kind of want you to guess. It's like... Well, tell me your resting and then I'll guess. My resting is normally 50. Okay. And then I sleep in it's 40. Friggin great shape.

Yeah. How long are your workouts? A practice is. a workout, a practice is three hours. Holy shit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

So it's a lot of calories. Yeah. Average heart rate, 138. Yeah, it's really good again. Like 145. Okay. Yeah. My max, though, will be like $199 sometimes.

And I'll be like, oh, I wonder if I could get $200 again. I've never gotten $200. Wow. I've gotten $199. That's high. Many times. That's pretty high. So I have the opposite problem.

My heart rate naturally runs a little higher. And in my workouts, I get it up to $208. that's for your age is extremely high terrible yeah yeah i mean like i'm basically having a harder thing so it's weird because my textbook it's bad yeah but you just have a crazy motor of a heart i guess hummingbird heart yeah it's it's this is why medicine sucks for how awesome it is yeah because you know textbook wise we say it should be 220 minus your age that is your max heart rate okay generally speaking which would put me at 188 okay i'm going to two a weight. Technically, that's unhealthy and I'm overstraining my heart. But I feel fine. And I can keep

that rate up for five rounds, three-minute rounds. But you said your resting is also high? My resting's high. Like, it's just not as low as yours. It's like in the 70s. Yeah, I get notifications. I guess the way they calibrate the watch is like they're trying to figure out like, all right, what are we going to notify people of like weird events or thing? Like in arrhythmia, I will tell them about it. And they decided that if you have your heart rate under 40 for like a certain number of minutes in a row, they'll send you a notification. So every night I wake up with like 10 Apple Watch notifications. Like, hey, hey, hey, your heart rate's kind of low.

And I get, I guess. But that technically and statistically means you'll live longer. Sick. Yeah. I'll take that. I like that. That's awesome. Sounds good.

I hate what Apple's doing with the heart rate thing. What are they doing? Well, like with the ECG and the notifying people of things like that. How they paint it as like a medical device, you mean? Yes, but it's just more so how they present it to the general public because people think it's like a true checkup almost. Oh, interesting. They're like not going to a cardiologist.

Or they are because they think they've been diagnosed with something. Oh, that the watch is the be all end all thing. Yeah. Oh, interesting. So like I look at the EKG and they show these features and everyone's excited about it. And then I have patients coming in and they're like, my watch said I had three seconds. or five seconds of atrial fibrillation, and they're 25 and healthy in exercise, there's no playbook for what to do with that.

Because our info on how to treat atrial fibrillation is, what's the age of the patient? How long has it been? Do they have symptoms with it? And I have five seconds of it. Yeah. What do I do with it? Yeah.

Yeah, I think the thing in the tech world that comes up a lot now is they have all these features and they'll help you out with things or even they have this like crash detection now, fall detection. And so they paint it kind of, of like, if you don't have this watch, you might miss something. Which might be true, and there are cases of it finding things, which is cool, but it's like, relax.

That's a psychological trick they're playing on you. Yeah. Because if you, being a doctor, knowing the risks people face just by being alive in a city, like, let's say, New York, that risk that you're worried about with the watch is so small that it shouldn't play a role in your mindset at all. No. But they make it seem. The commercials. Like the commercials are like, ooh. Yeah.

But now they're going off on roller coasters I hear and stuff. That's a funny thing. Yeah. Yeah, the crash detection now, it's supposed to be really good. Like the crash detection will know if you're going a GPS speed, that seems like you're in a car, and then you suddenly stop. And the barometer picks up a pressure change, meaning the airbag near you went off. And the microphones pick up a loud noise, meaning you probably were in a collision. They put all this information together and go.

that's a car crash and they will call 911 on your behalf and that's amazing and you think wow they've facted in so many things that there's no way it would ever accidentally go off and there's even reviews of people trying it which is weird they'll like crash a car on purpose and like did it go off it works and it would go off and it's like amazing but it turns out yeah roller coaster is the perfect combination of most of those things happening sound speed stopping quickly maybe the pressure even changes with the wind or something, and then it just theme parks getting on 911 calls for some reason. What's your favorite feature of these wearables?

I guess really just the fitness tracking. Like I've become a little bit competitive with, like, tracking the calories and like, hey, teammate, how many calories did you burn? How many did I burn? Is it more than you? All right, I'm doing pretty good. Do you think that's healthy? No. I do not think.

I'm not under any illusion. No, it's not. I mean, it's fun. It's a fun thing. It is. I went through a period in college, basically all of college, where I was like, I need to gain as much weight as possible, like strength, lifting, all that stuff. Did you go to GNC?

No. That's what most people in Jersey, New York did. Oh, the gym? Well, no, the GNC, like the vitamin stores, and they're like, I need a weight gainer. No, no, no, I went straight to, like, Reddit hacks. Oh, okay. So you can tell it didn't go great. Bro science 101.

Yeah, which was just like calories in, must be higher than calories out, and just keep going. And so like the calorie counting and general information you get from the watch is like better than ever now, which is great. I just I just kind of like to set it and forget it. I went through a stage of like logging every single meal and everything you input, which is kind of really hard and unrealistic. To just like trusting it and getting cool information and like a sleep score. Don't you also feel once you've done the logging of the food for two weeks, you kind of know? Yes, but then I like, I inevitably want to game it. I'll get through a week and I'll be like, here is how many I average this week.

I wonder if I add a scoop of peanut butter and a banana every night how much it'll go up by. And then I start putting that in the app and doing that. And I'll get into it. I don't know why numbers make me want to get competitive. No, that's fun. And I see that happen a lot people gamifying it. And I think that's a fun way to think about your health, as long as it's not in an unhealthy sense. Yeah.

Steve-O was on the podcast last week and he, it logs his meditation days. And he says, I couldn't give a shit about meditation. But logging it, oh, that feels so good. Yes. This is what Apple got right with the rings. Just closing the rings is the simplest thing. You don't understand. My friends will sit on my couch while we're hanging out.

And I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Stand up, get the real movement. It's about getting the real movement in. Yes, I see people do that too. I did recently discover you get the standing hours thing going and get like 12 standing hours. I know what you're going to say. You can see all this.

ready so you can get 25 standing hours. How did I get 25 standing hours? I flew backwards through time zones and I stood up every hour. And I didn't just do this on the plane. I stood up and walked to the bathroom and walked back every hour. Which is healthy to do on a plane because it prevents the likelihood of developing a clot. That's the point, hopefully. So when people stand there like this, I hope they realize they're not getting it. They don't care. They love it. And again, I look at it from a doctor's standpoint. I'm like, okay, is this healthy? And I try and zoom out of it. And initially, it sounds unhealthy, but then if it's leading to healthy behaviors, I feel like I should adapt and say it's good. Yeah, yeah.

So, it's tough in that sense. Do you game in general? A little bit. What do you game? I do some console gaming and a little bit of phone gaming. I really don't game that much. What's your game on console? MBA 2K.

And then a little bit of whatever the newest PGA tour game is. I got to get 2023 is coming out like now. So whenever I get that, I'm playing that. But I generally don't, I have like an existential, like, moment where I like realize that I'm just sitting on a couch looking at pixels and I'm like, I got to get up. Like, I got to do something. This is just too much sitting. So I don't game that much, but yeah, a little bit. I like Overwatch, Apex.

I play those games. No, I play them on console. I'm one of those. I was more of a PC gamer in the past. and that was way more intense. I played a lot of racing games. I love racing games. So, Need for Speed, Fort's the Horizon, Grand Triasmo, those, dirt even.

But I don't play it as much as I wish I did. Busy or? Yeah, just busy. What's like your day like? Do you, I feel like you never really talk about your personal life. What do you do? Normal day is pretty boring. It's mostly, let's say, is it boring to you or you think it's boring to what you?

Well, it is pretty sick. The logistics are just, like, boring. Like, okay, I wake up at 7. I go through my... I start my day without my phone. That's maybe different. Wow. Yeah, I try.

You might be the only person that I've ever heard today. I try. I try to start my day. So my watch wakes me up. It, like, taps me on the wrist. So that's a phone. Well, I don't, like, doom scroll. This is the...

I'm trying to avoid scrolling in the morning. Okay. So the watch taps me, so I stop that. Feet on the floor, get out of bed, don't touch the phone. Go through the day. day start i have breakfast every day and then i like get to the studio and then i'll check my phone um we go to the studio we have like we all work in this video studio we've made and that's super fun no days like really the same as the last we have production days pre-production days writing

days podcast days whatever stuff's happening there um and then i go home and i will try to get a workout and a meal in in whatever order works and then try to be asleep by midnight, and then do it again. Now, if I have practice, I have to leave the studio, change, go home or whatever, get all my stuff, and then go to practice, and then we'll have a three-hour practice, and then come home, and then it takes me forever to fall asleep because the adrenaline is still, like, slowly coming down for practice. And I heard on another podcast that you said you struggle with falling asleep.

It takes me a long time to fall asleep. And you have to be exhausted, right? Yeah, basically. Is this, I don't know if this, to me it's like there's two types of people. you either fall asleep in three seconds or you fall asleep in 30 minutes, and I'm the 30 minutes type, and I know a lot of three seconds types, and I'm very jealous. It's like a superpower. It is. Are you a... I think there's a spectrum. It feels like there's two people. That's fair. Yeah. And I'm somewhere

in between, depending on what's on my mind. Like last night, I was sparring this morning, probably my heaviest preparation for my fight, which is six rounds of sparring for this morning. with three different fighters. So basically someone comes in fresh every round. Nice. And that caused some anxiety, I guess, for me last night. I couldn't fall asleep, save my life. Even though I know I needed to.

That is, well, that's probably common. Like, if you know something's coming up the next morning, then that affects your sleep the night before. It's like Christmas Eve. Pretty classic thing for me is like, I have a flight at 5 a.m. I will wake up once every hour and think about missing my flight. Yes.

Where is that coming from? It's just like, did my alarm go off? Or am I just like, because it only has to happen. once. This happened to me in like a pre-college program where I had like a final exam at like nine in the morning at Carnegie Mellon. And I remember waking up and like looking over, seeing that I had somehow stopped my alarm in my sleep. Wow. I had woke. I had had a late night studying. I had like apparently woken up, snoozed it, stopped it and gone back to sleep. And I like woke up in the middle of the exam and I was like, oh no. So what happened?

So I went in, I walked across campus. Did the walk of shame, walked in, and said, I'm here. And they were like, you'll take it later. And I just went back to the dorm. But that only has to happen once before. You develop PTSD. Now you develop this, like, I must check to see if I have overslept my alarm. Yeah, I have the same thing.

That really says you're a good human, if that's your concern. Like, when I used to go to sleep and I was younger in college days, my fear was, I started, like a dream, a nightmare I had, that I started smoking, and my dad was yelling at me, like cigarettes. Specific dream. I mean, something of that benign nature, where it's like I started some habit, and my dad's just tearing into me. Or I'm overslept.

And my dad's like, what, you're lazy. So I kind of had this Soviet Russian. I do like having the school dream and then waking up and realizing I'm graduated and I never have to do that again. That's kind of good. I'll have like a, like a, oh my God, I didn't do my homework nightmare. And I'll wake up and be like, oh, nope. And I just go back to sleep.

That's a good one. Okay. I do like that one. That's a pleasant dream. Yeah. What was your upbringing like with parents? Pretty good. Pretty good.

Strict, not strict, open to you following your passions? Definitely. I think, I don't know, like I don't have enough context of other people's parents. But from the stories I hear, I feel like my parents, I feel like my parents We're a good level of strict on certain things and open to you exploring on other things. So I traveled a good amount for, but it was like traveling for school.

So I was like, yeah, get on the plane by yourself, but also you're going to go take some college classes while you're over there. Like that type of thing, like explore your passions, of course. We only had one TV in the house, limited TV hours, no game consoles the entire time I lived there. Wow. I never thought that was weird until I got to college.

And I was like, I can just get an Xbox now. This is crazy. I'll do it. So you didn't go to your friend's houses at that time? I did, I did. Oh, they had them. Yeah, my friend had an Xbox.

So I would go to my friend's house and, yeah, oh, we'd play Xbox or go play outside or something. But it never occurred to me that it was unusual until people started asking me, oh, what was your first game console? Oh, PS4. What? What? That was my upbringing. But it was, I think it was a good, healthy mix of appropriate boundaries.

Yeah, good tweaking. Yeah. Because I feel a lot of times folks fall into two groups, like heavy authoritativeness. Yeah. Or lax, do you? Yeah. Kind of a lot of freedom. Yeah.

You might need a little bit of both. Yeah. No, for sure. I think my dad set up the like discipline is key type thing where like you realize that if you are disciplined and you actually work on things, you can reap the rewards from it. And that turned out to be very true. Do you think our generation slash YouTube in general, the people on YouTube are less disciplined?

Hmm. Than previous generations. Then the way you've been raised. I think, yeah, I think so. And I think that also, it's not even like that they don't realize it. It's just that people don't want to live the boring. Like, I didn't really go out ever.

I didn't really go to parties or have, like, a ton of friends or social groups or things to do when I was younger. So I had this built-in discipline that I found fun. But that was just like what I was. was into. So, yeah, probably. I think I was probably more disciplined. So it gives you a better edge, you think? Yeah, yeah. And it's funny because in this, like, tech world, like, especially this time of year, there's so many things to do. There's things coming out. It's like, before the holiday season, all gadgets must be on shelves. So, like, constant stuff to shoot. And so I find that

I am, I am able to, like, really commit to a certain amount of work and, like, just be okay with an amount of like overwork that comes with it like my sleep score is pretty bad lately well i'll score it how many hours a night are you sleeping um honestly five hours last night that's pretty good oh that's that's terrible man well that's pretty good for me what is good what is good because like i said minimum seven i don't even that's midnight to seven a m yeah that'd be nice i i set the goal to seven and then the sleep score it turns out is like your percentage of your goal that you hit. So I keep getting like 75, 82. That's like my usual. Maybe set your goal to eight and then you can get bumpers. No, the reason I say it is there's legitimate scientific proof

on this, amongst all other things that we talk about in medicine, where I can definitively say when you consistently sleep less than six hours a night, even your white blood cell counts fall, like which are your immune cells. Specifically, they're called natural killer cells. Right. Where they drop and they fight off cancer, they fight off infection. They become, they don't just drop in number. They drop in their efficacy of how well they work too.

Yeah. So that's like scary. So I'm like, I have that low heart rate, which is good, and I'm going to last a long time, but then I'm also like slowly murdering myself by not sleeping. Yeah. Okay. All right. But is it because you go to sleep late that that happens?

Yeah. I have a hard time for long of sleep and sleep. unless I'm really tired. So I just work until I'm tired. Yep. And then I wake up at an, I think I start my day normally. So it's usually the end of the day that just drags on, basically. But I'm, I don't know, I'm fine with it.

Are you doing your phone at night as well? Yeah, I think that's probably hard to stop. But it also clearly affects how fast you sleep. Like the bright light, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. If you have a lot of bright light. Well, yeah, bright light and blue light specifically will affect your melatonin. the sleepiness hormone.

So that can improve. And also the consistency. I don't know what your consistency of not just the number of hours, but the set hours are very important. Right. It's like the whole notion of, oh, I'll sleep less during the week and I'll catch up sleep on the weekend. It's actually not true.

That makes sense. Yeah. Your body needs that consistent hours. Yeah. And even a lot of these phones in tech coming out have like a, like a nighttime mode or like they'll put it to gray scale or like turn it orange to like get less blue light in your lives. But I'm also like editing videos.

So, like, I can't set it to be orange because then I'm messing up the color. So, like, I don't really get to use those features. True. But, yes, I should use my phone less close to going to sleep. Theoretically, that would help. So you said when you were younger, you didn't party or go out. Are you doing that these days? No.

Never been your lifestyle. I find it a waste of my own time. I don't find it fun. If I found it fun, I would want to be finding. Have you done it and hated it? Yeah, like twice is all it took for me. What? Twice?

twice and you had two shit nights out and you're like no yeah i remember basically you know i had a my first cES i was 17 in las vegas dangerous yeah so they and i was getting took taken around in a group and so the group of course it's las vegas we're going around to a bunch of stuff at night and then like the last stop was like a club and i was like by the way how old is everybody here and i was like i'm 17 and they're like oh you can't be here and they sent me home and so like on the way back I'm like seeing all this stuff and that's Vegas so like that's not even a normal night but that's that's one version of that

wait so what did you see on your way back I mean it's it's you I didn't take an Uber I walked like through the strip you saw people struggling yes throwing up sick puke bad time stuff okay um also that's a worst place to get a good vision it's Vegas exactly so I got the extreme there

okay um I don't know I just it only takes like three attempts to like realize you're not and I'll try anything three times and like If it's not great, the third time, it's like, not for me. It's very structured. I like it. Do you have close friends or do you have a lot of acquaintances?

What's your, like, strategy on that? I have a lot of acquaintances, I think. Okay. Yeah. Do you have, like, a go-to person? Not really. No. But, I mean, we have, like, we have a lot of people ask about, like, the studio, like, what's the hierarchy like?

But I feel like it's more like, I'm like at the hub of the wheel. I'm like, everyone talks to everyone, but also everyone has to talk to me. Like, we have this structure that just works, which is cool. But, yeah, teammates, frisbee teammates is like my friends, basically. Got it. What I feel like happens in your 30s is you start losing track of your high school college friends and then your friends turn to be who you work with. Right.

So I don't know if you've experienced that. So my only friends from high school, my frisbee teammates. And so those are the only people I talk to at all. And actually, there's a alumni game every year in the parking lot where the sport was invented where we all play. The current team plays the alumni team. It's a whole thing. But that's where we catch up. I don't go to high school reunions.

And then, yeah, it's like a couple people from outside of school and then mostly just work. Cool. Do you ever run into the problem of looking over your shoulder competitively on YouTube from other tech YouTubers? not really it probably because there's only so many iPhone reviews videos or tech review videos you can do

true yeah it's there is kind of a fun landscape in the tech world where there is a lot of like camaraderie because we all see each other a lot if you go to like a new pixel watch event or Apple event or Samsung event you're all there we're all there we're all seeing each other we're all

oh I'll hold the camera for you for the shot if you need it oh can you be in the background in my shot can you hold this up I'm going to get a shot your wrist with the watch on it. Like, we're just working together anyway. Um, and we'll collaborate with each other. So it doesn't feel like, like, there's, like, people ask about rivals. Like, who would you box? Like, we're all pretty chill. It's pretty cool. Do you feel like you guys have established an OPEC mafia style thing where you don't allow new people in? No, I would hate that. I would hate that. Because I know that I would hate that group if I wasn't in it. Yeah. Uh, no. No. But it's also like, it, it,

Kind of in the tech world creates itself, or I guess the company is created, because they choose who gets devices when they ship it early to someone for a review. You know about like embargoes and like sending things early. So like that's a distinct group of people who get to participate in that versus people who are after that buying retail devices maybe and that whole thing. It's not like we're gatekeeping it and like keep making sure people don't get in. not up to us, but that does feel like two distinct groups in a way. Yeah, because that is going to be a vastly different view count if you're buying at retail versus getting it early. Yeah, exactly.

And that's, that's been my world for so long that it almost just, like, I've gotten used to the fact that that's what happens. But I do have to step back every once in a while and zoom out and look at the whole landscape, which, I don't know if that's looking over my shoulder, if it's just like familiarizing myself with the landscape on occasion. Do smaller YouTubers hit you up and ask you for intros to the brands? No, no, not for interest to the brands. I guess the brands kind of just know what they're into. And each brand does have like its own distinct taste.

Like I do recall that I was the first YouTuber to be invited to an Apple event, which was many years ago. And then a few years later, there was, for YouTubers and then the next event there was a dozen of us and then so slowly they've create I can I can watch them create their taste of like what types of videos and types of channels when they did the Apple Watch Ultra they had the sort of general group of YouTubers but then I could also see like oh they brought TikTokers who do fitness TikToks and I was like this creator thing is like really coming together which is super cool to see

but I kind of feel like I helped open that door a little bit so now we're all on the other side that door. Well, you're the OG. And a lot of OGs over the time outside the last two, three years, have struggled on YouTube, but you haven't. I mean, you're killing it. Why do you think that is? Is it burnout? Yeah, maybe some of the OGs. I assume some of the OGs you're referring to are not doing product videos. They're doing either skits, comedy, or things where it sort depends on their own creative output. True. And I think that's a pretty big difference between me and those others. I think if you even look at some of the other older tech channels, we're all still

making videos in some way. What type of video we're making might depend a little bit. I think you can still get burned out, but it's going to be really hard for me to get burned out. I just like tech a lot. I'm such a kidney candy star when I, it's kind of the dream job. Like a FedEx guy shows

up pretty much every day to our studio with something in it that's cool to see. That's really cool. That's amazing. I don't really get that. Do you have a relationship with your driver? I know I'm pretty well. Oh, really? UPS guy and the FedEx guy. So we have a new FedEx guy, and he, first time he came to the studio, who's like, now he, like, honks the horn as he drives by.

Like, I see him now. UPS guy asked me about the new phones as he's delivering them. He's like, have you heard about the new iPhones? I'm like, yeah, I heard about them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They seem pretty crazy. I'm not allowed to say I have them, but like, yes. So, yeah, we know the drivers now.

Wow, that's so cool. Yeah. How do you balance, because this is something I've had to maintain very strict rules with in doing a medicine channel, in not doing things that might corrupt my medical ethics. For you as a tech review channel or product review channel,

how do you make sure that if you accept money from a brand, you don't play favorites? That's everything. I think the first thing is we typically don't do sponsored stuff with a brand whose products we also review. So there's like 30 companies, let's say,

who make products that I review right now. It's the car companies, but it's also like, Google, Amazon, meta, Apple, Samsung, whatever, a bunch of companies. So we typically don't do sponsorships with them. And then even if we do, it might be some, like, tangential or, like, related products. So Samsung makes phones. We review their phones. They made a crazy 55-inch Odyssey Arc gaming monitor that we did a sponsored bit with because it was cool.

And I think the key is just telling truth always no matter what. Because if you even seem like you're not, that's easy for. for someone to point to and be like, oh, well, he did the sponsored thing. So now he's lying. So I think, yeah, my, my depth of testing and research and figuring out the truth about products is everything I do. That's what I have to be best at, no matter who we do sponsor stuff with. Do you ever worry that if you say something negative about, let's say, an Apple, they'll give you a little bit less access or maybe not give you that big interview? I hear about this sometimes. And I don't know. At this point, it's fascinating the position that I am in because

I have seen, I've done like videos and I've even done an interview with an exec. I was the first YouTuber to interview Craig Federici at Apple. And then I did it again a year later. And then the next year, I didn't interview him, but 12 other YouTubers did. I was like, that's interesting. I wonder where they got that idea. Were you pissed? Not really, but I was just like, I did it the year before. I was fine.

I did my interview. But it was just funny, like they got that idea and they realized how well it works to work with creators. So I don't see a world where I tell the truth about the new iPhone

and Apple goes, oh, we can't have this guy reviewing iPhones anymore because that just looks bad to them. Apple looks bad. If I lied for something or did like an unfairly bad review, then I could see that.

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Visit bemo.com slash ViPorter to learn more. In this crazy, bizarre world where I review the new iPhone very fairly and I say some good things that were good and I say the bad things that were bad and Apple goes, we didn't want you to say the bad things. And they cut you off. That's insane. That should never happen. Well, that like by FTC rules can't happen, right? I don't know about FTC rules. Because technically if they're giving you a product, that's a form of sponsorship and then you have to be honest. Right. So they can't tell you to not say something. That's against the rules. Right. certain, there are certain written rules for sure about like disclosing when you have a relationship with the company. So yeah, every time they send a product, it's always disclosed. Anytime they

paid if a company is a sponsor that is disclosed in a different way. But I don't know if they can prevent you from saying what do you want to say. I mean, if you have a relationship and a contract, if here's what you're going to say in this video, then yeah, that's the contract. But yeah, I think it's like, we say what we think makes a good video. And if you don't like it, then we'll go buy it later and just make the video anyway. Okay, fair. Do you think you can tank a release of an upcoming device on your own? So the thing about tanking a release is if I say that many bad things about it,

which I'm about to publish the review of this watch. Uh-oh. Listen. If I'm going to say that many bad things, that means other people are reviewing the same product as me, and they're going to find those same things to be true. So I don't feel like this weird responsibility of like If I say the bad thing, I'm going to tank it No, if it's bad, it's bad

Everyone's going to know it's bad But I have seen reviews Specifically need to be addressed by the companies Which seems like particularly touchy Because oh no, he's the only one that found that issue Now, you know, what's going to happen next time He reviews the product I just have memories of like a Chromebook that I reviewed

That was, it didn't deserve to exist It was awful. It was the baseline, like, Celeron version of a Chromebook that was just unbelievably bad. And I reviewed it. And it was, like, off of the store a week later. Like, they discontinued that version of the product. And I was like, good. It was bad.

Anyone who bought it had the same experience as me. And that was terrible. But no, if it's bad, everyone's going to know it's bad. It won't be my fault. In watching other people's reviews of the same product, do you find that largely, you all have the same talking points or you have different takes than most? I think we'll all sort of dance around the same set of points, I think.

Like, when you're going to buy something, you want to know certain things. I think we all have the same core points. What's the battery life? Like, how good is the screen? What's the software? Like, are there bugs? Is it going to die?

Is it built well? Around that, I think everyone has their own angle, whether it's like a day in the life or, like, I have a kid that's going to throw it across the room. Is it durable? I am a runner. Is it going to survive like an extreme hike or something like that? I think everyone has different angles in ways.

I kind of think of myself as like the general guidelines. Like I'll hit every normal point you need to know for the gadget. And then I have my other angles of like Frisbee maybe or like, I don't know, gaming a little bit. Or tracking? Or yeah, competitive number tracking. I'm in there. But yeah, it's usually pretty straightforward. Okay. What are you watching these days on YouTube?

A little bit of everything. I'm watching more car videos than usual. I've noticed that. What's your favorite car right now? There's a lot of answers. I love cars. I'm not big on electric cars. It's a little bit of a newer market for me. Yeah. But the last 20 years of cars, I've been a big overseer of secretly. Well, the last like five years of cars has been very interesting. Very interesting. Because everyone's lining up to make their first EV, and that's a big deal for these companies. Like, Tesla's out here, the markets are shifting, okay, what's your competitor going to look like?

And each one that comes out is fascinating to me. Like Volkswagen made an ID, ID3 and ID4, and to me they were like toasters. They were like so boring. Okay. Super simple. Nissan Leafs. Nissan, well, the leaf was just a... Well, I-3s, I-3s, whatever you...

I-3s are cool. Yeah. I-3s are fine. I think that's a good commuter vehicle. I tested a Mini Cooper S that was electric. Had 100 miles of range. I would never buy it for myself because I do road trips for Frisbee. But as a commuter vehicle in New York, that thing's sick.

Okay. Park anywhere. But I'm a sports car enthusiast, so I got really into like the smaller, more nimble ones, and that's cool. I am desperately waiting for some good two-door EVs because there's not that many right now. What do you drive now? My daily is still the Tesla Model S, which is a big car. I don't want to have to have a big car, but I'm so into the performance that I can't put it down. So that's the one.

But I don't know. It's just fascinating seeing. Have you tested any EVs or tried any? Evie-wise, I've only driven a Tesla 3. Model 3. Yeah. Okay. Was it the performance one?

No. Okay. It was my dad's girlfriend. You should just for kicks, do a test drive of the Plaid. Yeah. And they're going to tell you to floor it, and you should, and you should really pin it, and it'll change your life. It's going to change your life. I believe that it will.

Yeah. There's something about a traditional engine that still gets me excited. Oh, I see. I'm one of those. I know where you're coming from. And I'm not even saying it because, like, I'm trying to be masculine. No, there is something. It's something I feel.

I can't even describe it. Okay, so I have a relationship with Top Gear where they send a new car roughly once a month for me to do a column on, and I do a column, but I also might do a video on it. and they're more open to like maybe it's electric maybe it's a hybrid maybe it's just a cool high-tech car and every time it's a gas engine powered car i get it every time i get it there's a feeling there is a mechanical satisfaction to a lot of these things that i really appreciate um but to me it does feel like it's bordering on novelty where it it will eventually feel like the the older enthusiast legacy thing

where I think a lot of people will be totally fine with a silent soulless toaster on wheels that just gets them from point to point B and it's funny

because so many of these companies started with a performance EV but performance people are the ones that like the engine so that's like a weird

place to start that's you gotta be at a certain price and it makes headlines it makes headlines oh look we're faster than XYZ

Yeah, yeah. I'm testing the lucid air soon. Okay. Which is funny because I tested it like five years ago when they were in prototype stage. Yeah, weren't they delayed like crazy? I went into a store in Florida, I think they have there. Yeah. So they're starting to ship them.

And they're like a huge luxury sedan, which is cool. But they also have a thousand horsepower for some reason. Why? I don't know. Because they can. Electric cars can. You just got to do something different, basically. So, yeah, there's a fun overlap.

app, and I think the performance cars are where you see the most contention. But yeah, the Nissan arias of the world. I don't know what that is. What's a Nissan? It's like, picture the Model Y, but by Nissan. Okay. And then picture that but by

like every other company, the Volkswagen. That's the ID4. Or the one that I really like is a Hyundai Ionic. It's basically a same thing. I think I just saw one of those on the street the other. It starts in it. Yeah, they're pretty popular now. And that's like the, that's the thing that USA loves is the nice little crossover or something like that.

So that's what a lot of EV makers are making here. Yeah, I'm with you. I love sports cars. I used to have an R8 spider. And then... That's an engine. Yeah, it was V10. It was beautiful.

I love that car. But then I got my big dog, and I just felt bad sticking him in the front seat. Yeah. So now I have the Lambo-Uris truck. Yeah. And it's funny because I think, oh, I'm in a Lamborghini. It should be really fast, but then, like, your car will smoke me.

Yeah. So it's funny. It's interesting. Yeah, that's the one funny part about EVs is like the highest end fastest EVs are all faster than their equivalent at the same price in a gas car. Like the Plaid is the fastest production car ever made and it's 150 grand. It smokes $2 million cars regularly. That's weird.

It's a family sedan. It doesn't make any sense. But I think the Tesla Model S is one of the best overall daily drivers because the things that you really like about a car after the performance, which are just like, it's quiet, it's comfortable, it goes for a long time on a charge, it can charge up quickly, relatively,

and it's high-tech. The experience on some of these dashed systems are just terrible, and that one is solid. It's like everything's fine. Yeah, it's very Apple, the screen. There are a lot of parallels with Tesla and Apple, a lot, like a shocking amount.

Yeah. Okay, so what's your dream car, like coming up? Upcoming, that I know is upcoming. I know you drove, what's that blue car that's downstairs literally right now? The RIMAC. The RIMC. Oh, that's here. Yeah, the RIMC.

I drove the concept of one. That's the one you drove, no? That's the one I drove, yes. I shipped the windshield. No. I didn't ship the windshield. The car in front of me, shooting me driving, kicked up a rock that hit the windshield as I drove behind them. Well, that's like the less expensive thing to finish.

We replaced that. Yeah, that was not cheap. It wasn't? No, but I had to pay for it. I signed it up. I signed up for it. I got the insurance. I made it.

It was fine. Wow. But that's a fun of that. Because that car is like 1.3 or a million and a half dollar car. It's funny. They made eight ever. So like that's, I think the only one without an owner, weirdly. Wow.

But now that same company made the concept two, which is the Navarra. And that is the only two-door, like proper electric sports car. Yeah. It's $2.5 million. I'm never going to drive one. But that thing looks sick. Don't say never. Why wouldn't you drive one?

Or maybe I'll drive one someday. Yeah. You drove a one-to-half million-dollar one? There's something about like, I've driven a lot of very expensive cars. And I think once you get into the six digits, it just doesn't seem like a car anymore. It just seems like you're driving this piece of jewelry or something. And you're afraid to do anything, like get close to a curb or another car. It's just like it kind of feels like it ruins the experience.

Okay. I drive my car like a normal car. A utility car. Yeah. And I'm not like afraid of it or anything like that. And I think when you get in those like astronomical prices, it starts to feel for me a little bit anxiety. A little anxiety inducing. Yeah. So but that's that's probably the car I'm looking forward to eventually driving the most that thing. Because I think they don't have it downstairs. They have it a few blocks away. I had motor cars. I saw they were promoting it. But what's going to happen when the traditional brands, Lamborghini, Ferrari, and I'll switch up to EVs. Do they just? just rock the world of Tesla and all these other cars? I have my opinions on that. Some of them have sworn they're not going to do it. Like Bagadi, which they just merge with Remak,

but Bagadi makes baguadis and whatever. I think pretty much all of the major car manufacturers are going to eventually start to have to make EVs because that is the sustainable future of transport, and that's great. My question is, when will they get good at the software that Tesla is so good at? because Tesla makes really great software

and they're all optimized but their cars are like not the best built in the world so it's like do you think Tesla is going to get good at making cars or do you think GM or all those other companies are going to get at making software

which one is more likely they'll probably come out on top I think maybe this is my bias showing I think it'll be easier to steal someone who does good software Yeah. Than to figure out the completion and quality and build control of like a hundred years of manufacturing.

I think that's the logical correct answer. It just seems like why haven't they done it? It's been so long. Like they're all so bad. I feel like it's executives being older. Yeah. It's like the same reason why media execs like you and I probably walk into a room and they're like, oh, you guys are YouTubers? What's that about?

Right. And we're like, well, we get. get more views than all your prime time shows. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that. Like, a lot of these companies, because they're 100 years old, they have these like rock solid set in place things that just don't change. And that's why they're so good at what they do. But if some, if things change, like electric cars coming up, that's tough for them. They got to slowly change that shit. Yeah. You can't make a drastic swap. That's cool that

you earn over cars like me. Do you have a guilty pleasure that you spend stuff way too much money on? I don't know if it's way too much money. Probably is. It's just like the equipment. We reinvest in making videos so much that we've realized that at our scale, if we're making tech

videos and everyone can watch a video about the new watch, then why would anyone watch mine? If everyone has a video, you can watch any of them. We're trying to do things that other people can't do in their videos. And we come up these ideas and some of them are very expensive. Some of them might involve like a robot with like a camera on the end of it, just moving, doing crazy shots, but they're really fun. Okay. So I'm willing

to justify that expense because of the end result of the video being unique in some way. Yeah. I think we do pay a lot of it. Well, I think that's a Mr. Beast move. You're reinvesting into the final product in a way. Sure, yeah. But more than necessary because it's, I mean, we buy If you weren't crushing it, you could say more than necessary, but... Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I just know that, like, if people knew how much we spend just on videos... How much do you spend on videos? It's like the robot, for example, was $250,000 for the robot, just for the robot.

It comes with, like, software, we pay for maintenance, we pay for updates and all that stuff. Just for the robot that sits there with 3,000 pounds of steel weights on the ends of it. By the way, Dan, don't get any ideas. It's pretty nice. I love that thing, though, and I'm glad we did it. And whether or not it pays for itself, I don't even know how to define that. The cameras, so the DSMC2 red cameras from a few years ago were about 70 grand each. Red recently came out with their DSMC3 cameras, 25 grand each.

What do you think I'd do with the old cameras? No one wants to buy those. I traded them in at Adorama, and I got like 10 grand for them. Wow. What a drop. huge L. That's worse than some of these

NFTs out here. Yeah, it's almost as bad as some of the NFTs. But like, that's the thing that we're willing to take because we like

making high, high quality videos with this stuff. What's your company's expenses at the end of the year? How much are you spending in a year?

No clue. You'd have to ask my mom. I literally, my mom runs, she runs the expenses. Wow. She's your CFO. Exactly.

Yes. So she could tell you what payroll is, what income Streams are, I mean, payroll is the biggest expense. Seven figures, eight figures? It is seven figures. Wow.

Yeah, comfortably. But it's like that's payroll. Our biggest expense is probably taxes. And then we have the studio space, which we don't own. So we pay to rent, which New Jersey is pretty, it's not New York expensive, but it's pretty good. And then we buy a lot of devices. We buy a lot of equipment for making the videos. And then we have the once in a while, like robot arm thing happens.

So, yeah. But that makes it worthwhile. Yeah. Because if you hate what you do, how, like you're saying you won't experience burnout. It's because you love what you do. You have the freedom to do it. No one's telling you what kind of content or how to make it. I feel like that's the beauty of why you're not experiencing burnout.

That's true. And we do get to try new things and, like, have fun with it and do things that other channels aren't doing. And that's really fun. Yes. Okay. For sure. I was going to ask you a question. I feel like I shouldn't ask you.

But what do you think of my setup here, our setup? I like it. I like it. So podcasts, we have a podcast set up as well. It is the smallest room in our space because it's the best sounding room. You also have nice looking podcast studio, which is a bonus. Some of them are not made for video. You just set up the mics and you're done. So this is nice.

Looking at the lights. This is great. We have also a hugest aperture. We have the same exact thing in the middle of our podcast set up. So yeah, you guys got it gone. Got some cameras. Dan's got his little road soundbook. All canon, C70, C300. So you're mixing and matching a little bit.

New guy right here. R5C, same sensor, same color science. Dan's all about the color science. Yeah. No, this is. Seriously, like 24 to 70? Yeah, yeah. I think it's a good setup.

It's good? I have the same wooden camera handle on the top of my camera. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So we're not terrible. You don't give us. No, I think it's good.

Okay. I think it's really good. Nice. We got a positive review. Well done, yeah. I didn't even have to embargo him on this or something I was going to say. Oh, do you spend money on health products in general? I was curious about that.

Does the watch count? No. Let's hold that up because we talk about it. Health products, health products, daily multi-time. Like, do you do any kind of supplements, anything you need? No, just protein, regular, basic. Yeah, I don't really, I guess not. Are you a coffee drinker?

None. Wow. Zero. Yeah. Zero. That allows you to keep a level. This is a money saving. $0 lifetime spent on caffeine.

My guy spent $200 grand on a robot. He's talking about, say, $2 on a coffee. But how much do you think you spend in coffee? Think about it over the years. How much? How much? A lot. It might be in a year, let's say you have...

It's a $50,000 adorama loss. That's fair. Okay. I'll take that. That's fair. It's not the robot, but it is a lot. Oh, that's what I want to ask you about. tech, how involved or interested are you in the NFT space or crypto space? As close to zero as you can be without being zero. I have to like keep an eye on it, but I have so much skepticism and like, every time something gets pitched in the inbox or in person or I see anything, it always just defaults to

how much money you can make. And I need to know some other benefit. Yes, yes, yes. Anything tangible, like how useful it will be. I've seen a little bit some whisperings here and there about like maybe the deed of your house will be an NFT one day. Maybe. I don't know. I have a safe with a deed in it. I feel like an old person I say this. But like, I'm skeptical. I'm a thousand percent with you. And I wonder what you would say if like Gary V pitched you on this. And he's like, come on. I've heard a lot of what he said. And it still screams like, look how much money you can make on this. And I need more than that. So you're calling BS on Gary Vee. Is he saying more than I'm missing? No, I think a lot of it is very investor heavy. Yes.

And future potential, beautiful things. I'm going to say something maybe off color, but it's reminding me of the way communism was pitched in Russia. Beautiful idea to us. Beautiful. We all work for a common purpose, common goal, and everyone's equal. But then the people on top are actually skimming off the top and screwing the people on the bottom. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it reminds me of crypto, which was like, I understand the benefit of the blockchain. I understand why Bitcoin exists and can be used. But is it actually the future? A little bit of this with VR, too. I'm working on a video about the Metaverse, which, as you can imagine, has it, skeptics. I am one of them. But I've been... We have many similarities.

Yeah, I've been trying the stuff. I just tried the new MetaQuest VR Pro headset. incredible piece of tech really really cool like when it works but how am I going to convince anyone to buy it like is there a real

you will but it'll sit in their closet after the first which is most people and I have a quest and like I use it sometimes and I'll like give it to my mom and it's fun to watch her try it and then it's like okay back to the closet it's novelty it's novelty I would I would say it's fair to call crypto a novelty and we've seen it

go up and down and I thought I would, I owned some, a crypto, because this is why I never liked crypto. I used to play poker back in the day, like college days. And my degenerate poker friends were the first ones that introduced me to it. Of course. And they made so much money. But I bought some because of them. So I made some money too, and I'm grateful for them for that.

But that's what it feels like. That's gambling and like, can I make some money off of this? Yes. Am I going to strategize all of the strategy and talk that I get pitched about crypto is about how much money you can make off of it. I'm not here for that. Please give me something else. Yeah. And there's beautiful tech aspirations to it that sound. There's a lot of terminology that's thrown around to confuse people, much like in the healthcare space where people promise things and make wild snake oils, miraculous product pitches in biohacking. Is there a big

overlap of tech and like biohacking type products that people should avoid? I feel like There's a lot of stuff. So much. Okay. But the watches aren't one of them. We're good. No, the watches are actually the benign version of them. Okay.

I think it's when the biohacking people start saying they make it sound like we know more than we do. And I'm never poo-pooing them for wanting to know more or saying I know better. It's me saying, I know what we know and we don't know this. Okay. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We just don't know this. Like the claim you're making, we don't know that.

Right. So there's products, like we just got pitched a product to do an Instagram story for that supposedly to help with meditation that will vibrate in a way that will stimulate your vagus nerve, of course. And I'm like, yeah, it sounds beautiful. It may even work. It reminds me of those, like, bracelets people used to wear to, like, balance your energy and all that, the ions, negative, positive, oh, yeah, of course.

Baseball players love those. For some reason. I don't know why. Because they're probably the most super, superstitious sport, okay. that actually tracks. Yeah. I don't watch baseball, but I understand how that would be a...

Well, because it's like a very number heavy game. You get into a slump, you're like, shit. Right. You start hitting home runs. You're like, I'm wearing this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

Or start using steroids. Sorry, baseball. Boxing, same thing. So it's... Yep. It goes around. Is there a PED use in Frisbee? Are you going to start testing your teammates now?

To be fair, the world championships, you do get tested. Get out. Randomly tested. Whoa. So it is... The cleanest sport. Potentially, yeah.

Because I don't think that happens. In a lot of sports, that's probably... It was one person randomly on the team. And they wouldn't tell you who it would be or when. So, like, everyone theoretically is clean. Oh, one person gets tested. One person got tested. Has anyone ever got caught?

Not that I know of. God, I wonder what they would use. To just run fast and jump higher? There's a lot of stuff. Yeah, I guess you can. I don't think it's at that point yet. Okay. The money is probably...

Yeah, what is an average professional for his... It's a, it's a... It's semi-pro. Like, everyone on the team has another job. What's the... You mean, like, the money is lower when it's semi-pro. Yes. So, like, what does that mean?

Meaning, like, 20 bucks a game. Like, you're getting... Oh, that's not semi-pro. That's mini-pro. Instead of being out of pocket, it's net zero. That's really what it is. Wow, 20. I mean, I had sparring today, and I paid my sparring partners

20 bucks around or something. Right. But you paid. Imagine if they showed up for free, then you'd be kind of semi-pro. Kind of like that. Like, in Club Frisbee, it's expensive.

to play. Everyone has to fly to these tournaments. There's a tournament tournament in Boston and then there's one in Denver and then there's one in another city and like the whole team has to fly there, get housing. It's your equipment, your jerseys, you pay for that. Maybe you get a jersey sponsor, but like you're out of pocket thousands of dollars to play a season. When you play for a pro team, it's structured like a pro sport. There's an audience, there's ticket sales. The team ownership provides you with everything you need and you just show up and play. And maybe you get 20 bucks a game or something. It's not like we're playing for the money. We're playing for the audience for the love of the game in that. That's why it's pro frisbee.

Okay. But no one's full-time job is frisbee. Okay, so one to ten, what are the odds of you owning a team in the future? Or the league? Well, yeah. If I want specifically to do that, because it depends on if I think it's a good financial investment. Will it make money?

Your robot is not a good financial investment. That's fair. I'll own a team. Yeah. No, it would be fun. What would you call the team? Well, the existing teams are good. I think I would just buy into a good organization. But if you had to name a team? A lot of them are named I don't know

I play for the New York Empire that's a good team name right like there's good empire that's pretty good I mean that's pretty generic in a world of the big apples so so Frisbee started in the 60s and there were some bad team names

up until like the last 10 years where they were like like bad like problematic yes ooh like what I mean say I could Google them and like put them on blast it's not like it's like Washington

Redskins bed it's not like Oh, it's not. Yeah. It's not. Not to say that Washington Redskins wasn't a problem, but I wonder what is. Let me see if I can find some examples. Like the good ones now are reasonable.

I don't know. What did you Google? I googled Ultimate Frisbee team names, but that's not going to help me find the problematic ones. Canceled. Has a Frisbee team ever been canceled? For sure. For sure. I don't want to call them out because then I'm going to.

going to get called out for calling them. It feels like punching down. If you look it up later, there are some pretty... Look it up at home. College ultimate free. And then leave comments on their page. Yeah, I sent you. Okay, fair.

So what would you name? Oh, let's go with the New Jersey. Oh, here's one. I used to play for a now defunct New Jersey pro team called the hammerheads. That doesn't make any sense. Why? Because there's no hammerheads in New Jersey. Right?

I don't think there are. They're cool. They're cool, but like, it should... There aren't any. commanders in Washington. That's fair. Oh, no, there could be. Yeah, there are.

No, they're done. No, I would go like, there's no giants in New York. New Jersey, uh, what is there a lot of? New Jersey pot holes, pot holes.

Oh, that's actually a dope name. See? And we'd have a sick mascot that's just like huge craters all over him. It's very basketball. Yeah. Remember that movie?

Yeah, yeah. That would perfect. Um, okay. So let's do our lightning round here. All right. Whoa. What is my phone doing? You got the purple one. I did get the purple one.

Very nice. What's one thing your body does that not everybody else's body does? 199 BPM max heart rate. Okay. And resting 40? And resting 40. That combo. Okay.

Yeah, I would actually say that's rare. Okay. That you have such a low resting heart rate. Yeah, you can get it up real high. Because a lot of people who have such a low resting heart rate, have to really struggle to get a higher higher. I have friends that are at 40 and never go over 165, which is crazy.

But yeah. Okay. So that means you're really fit. How far can you run right now? I'm just curious. It's a good question. Can you run a marathon? I don't know. I used to just run 5Ks for fun without training, but that was like three miles or whatever. I think I could run a I'm putting myself on the spot. I think I could do a half marathon. Okay. Yeah. We'll do it after this.

Okay. Well, that's one thing you would do if I as a doctor could guarantee you wouldn't suffer any medical consequences. What's one thing I would do? I would... I'm like, I have the potion to prevent any medical consequences. Knees fixed forever. But what would you do with those knees?

I would play a lot more. I would be so... You would join every protein. I would be so happy. I would just be happy. I would be so happy. Does your knee bring you sadness? It brings me pain equals sadness, yes.

which, you know, it would be nice if after a practice I didn't, like, sit down and ice my knees and sulk. Do you do PT? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But it's, it's like down from its previous peak of pain, but it's not at zero. You just give me 18-year-old knees. Okay.

I would do anything. I'll work on that. What's one silly thing you wish you could change about your body? Your knee. Yes. Okay, got it. Have you ever almost died? Huh.

Yes. I had pneumonia once. I was in the hospital for a few days for that as a kid. It was that bad. You almost died? Yeah. Bacterial? To me, I don't know the details anymore.

I just know I was in a hospital for several days and that was pneumonia. And that's a thing that I did once. Okay. Well, I'm glad antibiotics. I think that's the closest I got, probably. Wow. No car accidents or anything like that. I'm surprised with your testing.

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and I remember driving just feeling like, and like he comes all the way up to the driver's side door with his car before he realizes he's even touching anything. Those rigs are huge. You don't even see anything. So I was fine, but. That was bad for the insurance. I once crashed my Audi TTS that I had because of a spider.

In the car? Yeah. Oh, no. And not because I was scared of it. Tough. Just trying to. No, I went to kill it. Yeah.

And as I killed it, I hit with my right side, the left side of the park car. Dang. Yeah. You know how embarrassing it was telling firefighters, police officers, what happened? My Russian father, it was because of a spider. The insurance company But if you just say it was because of the spider

They're picturing you freaking out Because of a spider dangling You should be like I was trying to murder An intruder And I was distracted And I made my dad go in and see the dead spider On the console And he's like I don't care

He blamed it on texting I'm like my phone wasn't out What's the biggest piece of looming tech You think will make the largest And most immediate impact on our daily lives that's a golden question I'm tempted to say when Apple enters a new space

they usually make a pretty big splash and they are rumored to be coming out with a VR headset next year I think it will work best with Apple's ecosystem of products which a lot of people in the US have the iPhone for example that could be the thing

that convinces people about VR could be huge could it could also not. Did you see the interview with Zuckerberg with Verge? Yep. What are your thoughts? He's like, oh, Apple with their privacy thing is being so... I think he's right.

I think he, I mean... Well, yeah, it's a business world. Like he acts like he's like no one... Calling the Kettle Black. Yes, fully like Apple does things all the time where they'll have the public reason and they'll have the coincidental business advantage that just happens to work out in their favor.

Yes, that's a common thing. Okay, fair. But he didn't look threatened. I feel like he knows something we don't know. That company has dumped so much money and resources into it that I feel like they have a comfortable lead or they can play with that lead. And he won't be too stressed until the others

at least announce their stuff. Fair. Do you post your content to Facebook? I do. I work with the studio that does. Oh, Jellysmith? They cut down stuff. No, Studio 71. But they do the same thing. Yeah, yeah. I've talked to them before. And, well, because you work with them,

you don't experience the frustration. that we have posting directly to Facebook. Oh my God, it's so bad. It doesn't look fun. It's so bad. I don't really ever log into Facebook. I just see that that happens. And the money comes into the account.

Right. It just gets posted. Yeah. But it makes you appreciate YouTube. Oh, my God. Every time I work with other platforms and then I work with YouTube again, I'm like, yep, this is the way they're all hoping to be someday. Yeah.

And I hate monopolies, but if they became one, I get it. They kind of are. Yeah. The way I've phrased it before, like TikTok. comes up, TikTok, billions and billions of views, right? Is TikTok a platform or a feature? Of what? A feature? A feature of YouTube.

Wait, is TikTok? Is TikTok? So, like, Twitch. Twitch, owned by Amazon, huge website. All they do is live streaming video. They don't even do vods. And then YouTube comes along and they're like, oh, yeah, we can do live streaming too. And then they build in, you know, donating features. Oh, many streaming.

And suddenly, like, Twitch is just a feature of YouTube. They've built in all the same stuff. So if you're a Twitch streamer, why do you stay with Twitch? Well, the audience may be, but you can build an audience on YouTube now. Is TikTok forever a thing that just lives separately from YouTube? Or is it just like, well, all those people eventually just, you saw the new monetization announcement? Well, these people just build an audience on YouTube. YouTube kind of is the online video monopoly.

I think still platform. Whether or not it has longevity is maybe a different question. I think it's a platform because of demographics usage. That's true. Because like some of my people that I talk to, my patients, my younger patients, and my nephews, they don't really use YouTube in the way that they use TikTok. So I think because of that, it's a platform. And they, even when they reference YouTube, they say TikTok.

And people come, that people that come up to me on the street, you're the TikTok doctor. Or I announce my boxing fight on Showtime and they're like, wow, you go for making TikTok videos to being a boxer. I'm like, what? That might be because of discoverability. Like, that's where they found you. And they might also know you make YouTube videos

and we're doing that first. But like, oh, I found you on the TikTok thing. So they're just like once you pass 10 million on YouTube, you should be a youth. But it's funny. I run into the same trouble with like on TV when I do like nationwide television. They call me a YouTuber.

But then like Keemstar will do a video about like boxing and he'll mention me and he'll call me the TV. doctor. And I'm like, wait, none of this makes sense. Yeah, well, you're so multi-platform that you just can't nail it down. I don't have a home anywhere. Where is he from? Yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. So I think it's

somewhat of a platform, but I could be wrong. Sam, you threw in the guilty pleasure. What gives you anxiety these days? Not making videos that are good enough. Like, I have a, for the longest time I've had a vision of how good I want the videos to be. And we've been working

towards that vision, but it is very much a moving goalposts. And I don't think we'll ever make videos as good as we want them to be. Whether that's anxiety or just like self-inflicted pressure or whatever it is, it is what it is. But like, I sometimes stress out about like, I don't know. I really want to be able to explain this thing in a video, but I don't know if it's good enough. Maybe it will be someday. But that's the thing that I most think about, usually. Yeah. How do you talk to yourself about it or others? Do you have a coping mechanism that you find successful? Not really. I guess it's like there's something. I mean, inevitably you get people who are just like, oh, I like your work. And that's like, okay, good. It's still good. So is it a numbers thing that you look at? No, it's more of like the sentiment overall. I think you can sort of do a sort of basic sentiment analysis.

if you read enough things of like how people feel about a thing at a certain time. And it's generally pretty positive about any new stuff you're doing. Like, oh, you're doing a class. Cool, it's a positive thing. Oh, you're doing a new thing. It's cool. But even if, like, something is a total disaster behind the scenes, but you put it out anyway just because you just want to get it over with,

a part of me is always like, let me wait for all the negative comments to roll in because this one's not as good. And I just need people to tell me it's not as good. So I can move on to the next thing. Let's just get it over with. that's my mentality and I guess yeah I'm just looking for confirmation bias of how I feel about what make

but that is also your drive and what makes you special possibly yeah trying to make good stuff you don't think that's your superpower that you constantly want to push that boundary and never settling for I think there's just okay maybe there's an element of that to everyone but I guess

the thing that it started with was I'm trying to make videos I'd want to watch and then I'm trying to make channels that I'd want to subscribe to and there are so many videos that I want to make that I don't have the capacity or the skill even like I watch videos from other creators I'm like dang that was good I wish I made that video that's amazing

and so I want to get to that level where I'm just like yeah this thing that we made this is perfect this is great but it's not going to happen why is it not going to happen? Because you can't it's that is the definition of a contextually moving goalpost I'm sure the best athletes in the world

think that they can get better, even though they're the best. And whether I'm comparing my skill to that of an athlete or someone who's just trying to get better at a skill that they have, it's just I don't think you can ever be satisfied fully

with the skill that you care the most about. It comes back to the thing, are you happy versus content? Yeah. I feel like that's a common theme that folks really, that are competitive, fall into a concern about because it feels like if you're content, you're just not interested

in growing. And then if you're not growing, you're stagnant and then performance falls off and then you're like, what heck? Also, everything moves around you. So you could be great at something and then you become stagnant and your work could be exactly as good as it was five years ago, but now you're stagnant and content and everything else is past you and you're not as good as you are. Not even numbers, just in skill. The videos that I made 10 years ago when I was like getting into cinema cameras for the first time, got the same comments. Holy crap, this video looks amazing.

If I put up that video today, wow, this looks bad. This is bad. That's good. Okay, so then the final thing is 10 years from now. Where is Marquez? Tough question. Tech moves fast.

Well, because that's, you just said where you were 10 years ago. Yeah. If you told me 10 years ago that I'd be here, I'd never believe you. If you told me three years ago, I might believe you. So 10 years, I'm for sure going to be wrong about my prediction,

but I'll give it a shot anyway. I think I'll be making the best videos I've ever made on the main channel. I think we'll have the capacity and the teamwork around us in the studio to make lots of great videos we'd want to watch and channels we'd want to subscribe to. And I hope that by then we've figured out a product we can make. I want to know what product you're going to make. We're working on some stuff, but it's going to take a lot.

Are you going to do it solo or in partnership with the company? It's a good question. I would like to do it solo, but that's a lot of resources. And I think... It's like hiring people just for that. Yeah, we are constantly thinking about even like little things. Like here's an example of a product

I see a lot as a wallpaper app. A lot of YouTubers make a video about a phone. It's got a cool wallpaper on it. And every time I make a video of cool wallpaper, someone's like, where did you get that wallpaper? Here's a great answer. Make a wallpaper app. You can always send people to that.

It's great. A couple YouTubers have done it. And I'm like, if I wanted to do that, it would either be partner with an existing one or like hire developers, artists, like people to actually build this thing, even that is a ton of work. Oh, yeah. So I'm not so sure there's a right answer.

You just kind of have to feel it out versus the task. Well, we will be waiting with immense excitement to see your successes. Hopefully soon. And wish you much success. Where do you want to push people? What do you want them to watch? The channel, the podcast, everything? Yeah.

Just look up MKBHD anywhere. And don't you dare just subscribe. Subscribe and view because we want the algorithm to know that you truly love us. Exactly. If you sub and don't view, it's worse. please watch them. Awesome. All right. Thanks, I appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having you. Stay happy and healthy.