The Checkup with Doctor Mike - Talking PrEP, Chlamydia, and Therapy with Chris Olsen

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Watch the full video interview here: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/youtube/ChrisOlsen Chris Olsen is a hilarious TikTok and digital creator who is the founder of the new coffee brand, Flight Fuel, which was directly inspired by his viral TikTok series where he delivered coffee to famous celebrities all around the globe. Today we talked about the origins of his coffee series, how he met and befriended Meghan Trainor, is colorful history with STI's like chlamydia, his recent dating woes, his diet and supplement routine, and so much more. This is probably the silliest episode of the show I've done to date and just hope next time Chris brings me a cup of coffee for myself! Buy Flight Fuel here: https://flightfuelcoffee.com/ Follow Chris Olsen: YouTube: @chrisolsen9689  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisolsen/?hl=en TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@chris?lang=en Executive Producer and Host: Dr. Mike Varshavski Produced by Dan Owens and Sam Bowers Art by Caroline Weigum CONTACT: [e-mail]

How has she influenced me? Um, you know, well, you, you're right. And, you know, so in the way that in the, this isn't a gotcha question. No, so exactly. And I'm glad you said that. Yeah. So, that's how. What?

So excited to welcome Chris Olson to the Checkup podcast. In this talk, we discuss so many juicy details. His flight fuel and how it got started. That's his coffee brand. How he became best friends with Megan Trainor and how he's about to go on vacation with her. We even discuss his intimate health history. He shares some very juicy details, not just about his physical health, but his mental health as well. There's a lot of good stuff to learn in this podcast. Hope you enjoy it. Let's get started. Well, to start,

I have to say I'm incredibly disappointed. Oh, I know why already. No way. Because I didn't bring you a coffee. Yeah. Wait, where's my backpack? I have a, I do. No, no, I don't want to hand me down coffee. Unfortunately, it's, it's going to give me your used coffee. No, You drank the coffee and then you were going to give it to me. No. Well, I mean, that makes it more valuable. Some could argue. Enlightened me.

Why? Because I, because it's my coffee company and I've taken a sip out of it. Like, that's really powerful coffee. You're saying if I was interested in the cloning experience. Yes. Which I think, I think you are. You do. Yeah.

Tell me more. It's just a read, I get. Really? Like, yeah. A doctor who posts, like, who, who, who shares much of his journey on social media. That guy wants to clone people. Wow.

You have me pegged as evil doctor then. No, no, no. Evil, you know, I think you would have a lot of good intentions. It would probably go wrong, but you would have a good heart at the beginning of it. Got it. So it's like bad outcomes from good intentions. 100%. I will give you my word, not cloning you.

Okay. Heard. But still upset that I don't have flight fuel in my hand right now. I can't believe I, yeah, right. I dropped the ball on that one. But it is, but I will get you some, but you'll have some that's not, even, that I haven't even taken a sip out of. I had one earlier because I felt like you might forget about it. Oh my God.

So you knew. I had an inkling. Just like you thought I was the evil doctor. Right. I thought I wasn't on the tier level of celebrity that would get. No. Yeah. Well, I forgot it.

Well, I don't have a coffee cup to back me up there. Okay. That's okay. Let's skip this awkward intro because I feel bad. No, I don't feel bad. What? Go on. No, sorry.

How did that start? How did you decide I'm going to get coffee with people? Oh, well, it didn't really start. It didn't start in the way that it is now. Like, I was in a relationship at the time doing these TikToks, and I was going across the country on a trip, and I was like, maybe it would be funny if I, like, texted him, I'm going to go get coffee. And then I go get coffee across the country.

Oh. So I was like, I was going and getting it. at the beginning. Then eventually along the line, it came, it became me delivering it to him. And then we broke up. And so I was like, what do I do with this? What do I do with all of my content actually, but also with this bit? Instead of thinking what to do with my life post breakup, you're like, what do I do with this specific? No. So right, right. So I was, I actually, yeah, no, no. So I was feeling all of the things. But also, once the, once I was thinking about TikTok too, I was like, oh, I loved that thing. I want to keep doing it.

And so I did it with my dad a few times. People love the dad ones. Really? And then eventually I was like, it kind of died because I was like, I don't really know where else to go with this. Sometimes a bit has run its course and you got to let it die. And then Megan Trainor asked me to do her podcast. I said yes. And she was like, can you bring some TikTok ideas?

It's like, I haven't done that in a while. The coffee one in a while. Why don't I do that to her? So she was kind of the first celebrity that I did it with. that kind of like gave it its new life because then it was then anytime I was working with anyone else I was like this is kind of the video it's like such an easy format yeah and it takes no time for the other person takes a lot for me but like no time for the other person so I was like so I've started doing it with more and more people and then yeah like I feel like after I did it

for Austin Butler at the Elvis premiere. The doors were opened. It felt like that was like a really big one that was like, okay, now we can, now I can kind of keep playing with it and keep having a thing. And about a year ago is when I had the idea for the brand of it because I was like, I feel like there's something here. Everyone also, like people ask me where the best coffee is. Everyone wanted to be a part of the bit in some way.

And so I was like, I think there's something here. I love coffee. I drink it very often. I would love to have something that felt very connected to me. And so, and I called it Flight Fuel to be connected to the bit as well. I mean, it's probably one of those, I guess we can say, influencer products that makes the most sense. Oh, thank you. Well, you see like hot ones, create a spicy.

You're like, obviously. Absolutely. I see yours, of course. Yeah, I wasn't going to like come out with a makeup brand or, like, that's, I could. but that doesn't fit exactly into my content. And it's also like, and people go on business ventures that doesn't exactly fit into their content

and that's not a bad thing at all. But I wanted to do one that felt very close to home. Very organic. So that's where I went. Is it coffee organic? Because that would be even extra organic. Yeah. So double organic.

Yeah. Wow, that's good. Sourced from. Yeah, where's the best coffee? You mentioned that. You said people ask me where the best coffee is from. Oh, well, the actual coffee is the best coffee from. Oh, well, the actual coffee is the best coffee from.

Well, the actual beans are sourced from Central, South America, for the most part, with some of them being from Asia and Africa. But the best, like, if I were to go and get a coffee, flight fuel, but because I have to. But in New York, I would go to, there's a really great place in the West Village called Rosecrans, which is great. I love that one. Devocione coffee. Because they do a very fun thing where they, like, it's like beans in Argentina.

to being in your cup in like a week. Wow. So it's very fresh. Very fresh. So that's my favorite. And then I don't know. Those seem to be the best for me in New York. Do you have a favorite?

What about Bean location? Bean location. I think most of them tend to be in like central South America. Do you notice? Like if I was like, here's three cups, different geographies. Can you name? No, I'm not going to know where in the world they're from. I cannot count myself up to that big Benet.

expert. I will be able to tell the differences in the taste of them and tell you where what notes are coming out in each one. I mean, when you're starting a brand, they have to, like, you have to try a lot of different blends to find out what you like, to find out what feels good. And so like over a few days, my friend came over and we tried, like, we did a few different, a few different blends every day, trying it like in a pot, trying it as espresso, trying it over iced. milk, all of the things. We're very caffeinated those days. But you have to try all of them. And so eventually you kind of walk away from that experience getting like, okay, now I can tell pretty easily what I enjoy from a coffee. Is it like the wine tastings where they taste, they, you know, splish it in their mouth and spit it out?

You're supposed to like slurp it kind of. So it hits all different points of your mouth. Exactly. And so you can really like get everything out of it. It is kind of like a wine. And you're supposed to spit it out. I wasn't spitting the coffee. Are you supposed to spit wine out at a wine tasting?

I think if you, like the judges, they spit it out because then they would just get blasted by the last one and pick the last one every time. No, but and so I think with coffee because you're not getting drunk, I think it's okay to maybe swallow it. But I mean, for your heart, I get worried. Well, as a doctor, I'm sure. What's like, do you know at the limit? Yeah. What is it? I mean, recommended.

Maximal intake is 400 milligrams per day. Oh. and how and one cup is about 150 right i would say give or take a hundred depending on is it drip is it no my god we're fine however there are people out there like we me you everyone in the room what do you drink a lot probably a lot do you surpass the limit doctor no do you know Starbucks blonde roast you've heard very caffeinated their tallest one what is the tallest one called uh eventi no the one above or is it Trenta maybe the Trenta I don't think you can get Trenta in a hot drink, though.

Oh, then, okay, maybe it's the venti. Venti. I think 20 ounces. It is 20 ounces. Venti, 20, duh. I should have known that. Come on. The Latin background in my medical knowledge is weak. Okay.

So 20, blonde roast, plain. Guess how many milligrams of caffeine? 300. 250. Close to 400. What? And then people throw espresso shots into that bad boy. Whoa.

Yeah. Okay. And now you realize why I have so many patients. Yes. Also, because also pre-workout, I think a lot of the time has 300 milligrams of coming in there. I mean, some of them have mega doses. Whoa. I mean, KSI was just here.

He was drinking his prime energy drink and it has 200. Okay. I mean, you have one of those and then a blonde roasted. You're in a unhealthy dose. You're done for. Yeah. Well, they're not done for. I don't want to scare people.

Right, right, right. You're fine. And you're going to live a long life time. Yeah. That's, no, that's a lot. I usually limit myself to about two cups a day. So you're in a good spot. And it's also usually like an espresso drink or something like that.

An espresso also, I know, has usually less caffeine than drip coffee or a cold brew. Though I do love a cold brew. It depends who's cold brew. But again, it's all messy. That's okay. And do you know what's your take on the hydration status of coffee as a coffee person? I always, I don't know what my take is on it. But well, if someone says like.

I do. If someone drinks coffee, do you think it's hydrating or dehydrating? I would imagine it's not that hydrating. Why? Because my mouth is usually a little more dry after I've drank coffee. What I always do in the morning is I drink coffee and then I immediately drink like 24 ounces of water. Okay. That's right after. Why after? Why not before? Sometimes it's before. Before is ideal. Oh. Why? The first thing you want to consume in the morning is is water. Ideally water, yeah. Well, most of the time it's a bagel. I read a sign the other day that said a New York City bagel contains up to a quarter to half a loaf of bread.

That's that bonkers? That's great. That's great. The one who wants the bread. That's a lot of bread. That's me. That's a lot. That is a lot of bread.

I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Yeah, you should have fact checked it because. Is that JFK? it was at JFK where like on the where they have

the departure arrival thing and they just was fun facts about New York I don't believe it was like a Snapple cap you think I just pulled this out of thin air

I think you're lying no no I swear this this popped up show me a picture it was really interesting I didn't take a picture yeah yeah so it didn't happen

convenient I'm exposed okay yeah I that that does kind of make sense because the bagels here are hardy and they're also dense

But no, I drink, I do get my water in in the morning. But you would say it's dehydrating because of the way it makes you feel. Yeah, I don't actually know. I do know my mom totally, you can tell me if this is true. My mom told me when I was growing up that when, that I could never have coffee on an empty stomach because it'll give me stomach ulcers. And so I have, I never do that. And I also tell my friends, anytime they're like, they just wake up and they start drinking their coffee. I'm like, you can't stop your stomach.

So I always at least eat my bagel before I've drank my coffee. That's good. A lot of people do intermittent fasting and drink their coffees, so they do that. The reason why that thought came about, and it's not a terribly inaccurate thought, it just not obviously guaranteed. She probably saw it at JFK. You know, JFK is like the worst spreader of potential miscellation. She probably saw it in a sign that was next to like the arrivals departures.

Fun facts about New York. You'll get stomach. if you drink your coffee. I have to fact check you. Okay, great. So when you drink caffeine, your body naturally secretes more acid in your stomach. It induces acid secretion. Secreates. You like that word? Yeah, that's quite the word. Yeah, it's a medical word. Yeah. I'm pretty excited about it. Right. Secrets. I'm going to start using that more. Give me a sentence. Yeah. Of secretes. Well, all of the things that are coming into my mind are not safe for work. and I don't know what I don't know what level this podcast is rated at

coffee sorry coffee right hydrating coffee is mostly acid yes but coffee is mostly acid water oh did you just say coffee is acid well isn't it acidic slightly period and is it bad to drink so yeah no it's not bad to drink we have to no no we have to talk about that acid thing because I get really excited excited about it. But with coffee specifically, it has majority of it is water, right? Because that's the liquid portion of coffee.

Beanie water. Yeah. That's how I like to say. Beanie water. Yeah. And that water is obviously hydrating because it's water. Right. The caffeine component actually acts as a diuretic so it causes you to pee. But the amount of pee that you create is usually

a net neutral with the water that you've taken in. So you take in water, it hydrates you, but then you pee it out, so it's a net equal. So I'm not very hydrated in the morning, like I think I am. Well, you are because you're doing the 24 ounces after. But if you just drink a coffee, it's not dehydrating or hydrating. I see.

Because it cancels each other out. Oh. Oh, because of the water in the coffee. Great. But then if you're doing espresso shots, less water. Less water, more oat milk. And more dehydrating because there's less liquid. Right.

Oat milk must be hydrating because that's oat water. Yeah. But how much, you're not putting in eight ounces of old milk in your espresso. Wait. Then you're drinking oat milk with a side of espresso. I could be. Well, you don't know. I don't.

Yeah? I assume. Have you seen it? I haven't. Yeah. Have you seen the sign in JFK? No, I haven't. We need to go together.

Maybe we can bring a coffee to the sign. Right. To the guy that controls the sign. Yes. And I don't know why I assume the guy controls it. Maybe because I saw him flipping the switches. You didn't though. You don't know.

Did you see it? No, but that's a lot. Did you see it? No, because I could see that one on your face. Is there like an anatomical tell for liars as a doctor? I'm sure. I've read a really good book about what everybody is telling you, but everybody. Everybody, yeah.

It was a good book by Joe Navarro, FBI guy. And he's like, someone buttons up their suit out of nowhere while they're sitting, they're getting uncomfortable. Right. Because they're trying to create space. Yeah, of course. So there's some cool things in there. Yeah, there's plenty of things. Yeah.

like if someone's like while they're listening to you they're like slightly covering their mouth it usually means they have something to say yeah but they're trying to hold it in yeah we haven't done that yet though no we've kind of let everything secrete out sorry so what was your name again uh Ricky Bob wow from Talladega nights yeah it's an old one yeah that's why I was upset you didn't bring me a coffee okay because I thought with that movie right that that was kind of your star vehicle people are probably confused listening to this right now and they think we've drank more than coffee no but we haven't we have only drank coffee yeah and water I had box this morning and you boxed this morning are you a big boxer I try to be right because you did a fight yes yeah right two fights right two fights so I'm a fighter so do you box or like what's your box vibe is it like um I have so like are you at like rumble I'm trying to think or are you like you're like with a trainer

With a trainer. Oh, okay. Like, my trainer isn't as cool as your trainer. Probably. Because yours is Megan. Oh, my God. That was good. Thank you.

Not bad. Not bad. See, doctors can have personality. Yay. Speaking of Megan trainer, how did you guys meet? We haven't yet. Now I feel like you're lying. I could be.

Because I watched you in a tub with her. We were in a tub. What were we doing? I can't tell you. We were singing. Oh, come on. Sorry. Come on.

Anyway, yeah. So we met because she asked me to do. So she was like the first famous person to follow me back in the day. Really? Like long time ago. I did not even have that big of an account. But now I know she's just like a follower. She'll follow anyone who brings her the slightest bit of joy, which is great.

Love her for that. She followed me. I sent her a DM after she followed me and she never responded. So I was like, great. That's our, that's, and there it is. And that is our. scope of me and Megan Traynor. She'll just watch from far.

And then I ended up, I was thinking about her one night. So naturally, as we all should do, I posted on my Instagram story that I'm thinking about Megan Traynor. And then she somehow saw it and reposted it to her story, and then we started reposting it back and forth and back and forth. And then she DM'd me

her number. I was like, we should hang out sometime. And I ended up, and it was right around the time that I was going through a breakup. So then I ended up, she was like, well, we should hang out. Do you want to come on my podcast, all of the things? And since I was now a solo act, I went over there alone and did her podcast.

And then she was like, do you want to do some TikToks together? And I was like, yeah, I can think of some TikToks. And then we did some of them together. And she was like, wow, you're really good at this. And I was like, right, it's all I do. I have no, I have no. Was it offensive or a compliment that she said that? No, it was a compliment.

It was for sure a compliment. Because some people say that you're a great influencer, like, I don't know. You don't like it. No, I could see how somebody could see it in a negative way. I guess. But you're also like, you truly do have a different profession. I guess. I don't.

I think doctors are influencers, though. They do influence. Like, don't eat that. Well, first of all, if your doctor says, don't eat that. That's a mean doctor. Really? Yeah. They shouldn't tell you what to do.

Right. Okay. I would advise you to hold back. I would advise you on the. risks of eating this? I would advise you on the risks of, of, right, okay. And then you can decide.

And then you can decide. So it's always, the choice is always, okay, team. So you ultimately have patient autonomy. Great. Okay, so she said you're a great. Yeah, she said it was great. Yeah, yeah, no, I love the anecdotes. I'm pulling them out of you.

They're secreting out of you. I secrete a lot. Yeah. So I just wanted to let that land. I I so she said you're really good at this I was like yeah I mean I love doing it and then her team was like would you want to come back and like keep doing this stuff together I had just gone through a breakup I had nothing else going on in my life I was like of course I'll do whatever and then from there like we just became friends and we started we like we do TikTok together a lot but also I've gone on vacation with her family I'm about to go to Australia with her for two weeks she'll be so fun so and and also like it was just so cool to watch her like release made you look and do that whole thing and while we were to like still

like we I felt like we were like a team doing all of the I mean obviously she is like running all of this and she's right she's also just like a genius at writing all this music and she truly does it all herself she's a writer producer music engineer all of the things and so I just like slowly became obsessed with her

and thankfully she was obsessed with me as well since you're an influencer and you influence so many people one or two did she influence you in anywhere? Has she influenced me? Probably. Well, yeah, sure. I guess. Um, how has, how has she, how has she, sounds like you're convincing herself. How has she influenced me? Um, you know, well, you, you're right in, you know, so in the way that in this isn't a gotcha question. No, so exactly. And I'm glad you said that. Yeah. So that's how. What?

I feel like I should have another call here. So, yeah, so she's, I don't know, she's, I'm just very inspired by her work ethic. I think that's what, one of the first things I ever asked her, because while we were, like, making TikToks together, her team comes in and she's like, can you approve this? And what are you going to do on this Tuesday? And are you okay if we have this person come in at 10 before you do that? And she just like handles it all. And I asked her, I was like, do you ever get stressed when people are asking you like five million things? because if I've, like, I get too many texts.

I'm like, it's time for bed, I guess, like, off to a nap. And she's like, no. Give yourself more credit. I don't believe that for a second. Yeah, no, I don't. That's, it was a lie anyway. But she's very much, she just handled. And she's like, no, I mean, it's all stuff that none of this is really, like, world

shattering stuff. Like, I, you know, I can handle it all. And if doing something at one time is going to make someone happy or if, like, I'm able to, like, I'm able to, like, you know, connect with people more by doing this thing than I want to do it. And so I feel like she's really helped me with being more open to opportunities and like saying yes to things. But also she's, she is, she'll stand her ground when she wants to say no to. I think she's just been in this industry for so long. Like she kind of had her break when she was like 18, 19. And she's

29 now. So it's like been 10 years of being in the industry. And so she knows how to handle, advocate for herself and go about things so well that it's something that I like aspire to. Yeah, I mean, anyone that has navigated this world successfully, I'm an awe of because none of this is natural. Right. You've been around for a while. Like, did you just very politely call me old? No. That was the nicest old. You've been around for a while. I had Barbara Corker from Shark Tankston in that scene and tell me she's, tell me that she thinks I'm 47 years old. No, 48. Do you think?

No, no, no. If you were, you would have an amazing skincare routine, which I bet you do as a doctor. No. I moisturize. Okay. Sunscreen. Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, do you call that a skincare routine, though?

I think that is, that's that skincare. It is. You are caring for your skin. Okay, fair. I just, when I think skincare, I think of serums and stuff. You think serum, you think moisturize our eye cream. Under eye, yeah, exactly. You don't do those things.

I just. use soap and you moisturize and then you sound like I'm a big water person okay and I'll give you an example as a doctor yeah let's say you were moving your arm on that microphone and you scratched yourself and you had a minor scratch what do you think medically is the optimal way to clean that scratch like what would you put on it if it were a minor scratch yeah like you could see blood coming out and it's not bleeding out. Yeah, if it were, you know, spurting a little bit. I, what would I do?

I put it, like, well, I guess would you disinfect it? Mom, yeah, I would disinfect it. With what? This isn't a trick question. Just answer. You said that so aggressively. Yeah, like a neosporin or something like that. Right.

Would you wash it beforehand? I would probably dab it off. What? I get what you're trying to prove here. No, there's nothing to prove. Everyone, you, here's your options. With water, hydrogen, hydroxide, neosporn, water and soap. Yeah, some, I would water, wash it off with some water.

So you wouldn't do alcohol, peroxide. No, and I'm sure that I should have done that. No. Okay. You did it right. Okay. You won. Right. I did, I watered, I watered it. Yeah.

And then I put a Band-Aid on it. That's it. All the other stuff is largely unnecessary. Disinfecting it. Yeah. Wow. Just water. Why?

Because your body will fix it. Heard. But what if it doesn't? What if it gets infected? Okay. Things, when your skin is open, it can get infected. Right. But putting alcohol and peroxide immediately after a cut does not help it get clean.

Okay. Because it actually hurts the skin, creates more problems. Okay. You don't need to do it. So walk me through what a shower looks like for you. Walk you through what? a shower looks like? Yes.

Like, what it visually looks like. We can all look. So you get in, turn on the water. I usually turn on the water before I get in. Right. I wanted to warm up. Okay.

We like a warm shower. Yes. So you get in and the water's going. Yes. And then do you just kind of stand there and then get out? Do you sit cross like it? What are you doing in your shower? Like, are you like washing?

Like, I'm like, okay, Are you asking if I use a lufa? Well, it sounds like you don't use soap. No, no, no. I set on my face. Oh. Groyne, armpits. I'm soaping.

Cool. Chest. I didn't know that. Yeah. If there's dirt, if I'm soiled, boxers get soiled. So then you're using soap. Absolutely. Oh, okay, okay.

I didn't say I don't buy soap that you were getting in the shower. I'm trying to get a dove sponsorship and you're hurting me right now. No, no. He uses soap. I heard it here. probably third, fourth, or fifth time. Okay. And then your face.

And then my face, I just let it live. Do you let it go under the water? Yeah, of course. Water's good. What about, so you put sunscreen on it? I do. And you don't like cleanse that off ever. Well, it cleanses off with the water in the shower.

Right. Okay. Do you touch your face while it's under the water? Yes. Okay. Depends on how rough the day has been. Oh, like, you know. Oh.

Yeah. Or like. And I. I also keep my showers really short. And there's also this huge movement of take ice cold showers because it's going to make it so powerful. Not 30 seconds, but like five minutes less. Oh, okay.

No singing. I've never sang. I have, if I'm going to do a speech, no. If I'm going to do a speech, I say the speech out loud. Oh, okay. So before my TED talk, I was saying it in the shower. Well, that's what most of us do before speeches because a lot of us are like giving speeches all the time.

But you got me excited. Yeah. No, no, no. That's not. It's just, it wasn't the most relatable thing you've said. So I, but you don't, like, have you ever sang in life? I was in chorus up until fifth grade. Oh. So in the 60s-ish? Yes. Okay. Great. So, okay, great. But you don't sing anymore. No. Why not? I'm not good at it. Prove it. Prove that I'm not good at it. they kicked me out of chorus in fifth grade oh no no no that's not how i want you to prove it what do you mean

that's how i prove it everyone in the room knows how i want you to know no one knows and there's no one here it's just me and if you see other people there's a great doctor i can recommend yeah there's a huge audience in the room um okay fine so you're not going to sing for us right now i want to not say what you're going to say because if i did then people would unsubscribe and i'm not trying to know why he doesn't sing but he does rap yeah All right. So, so one of the voices in my head just told me, last year. Okay. And I performed a 90-minute rap variety show. And one of the parts was I rap about vaccines. Okay. Three. I don't remember the lyrics. Yeah, you do. My dear anti-vax community. Let's have a little unity. Start with a conversation

about immunity. Wait, what's, you need to give me the meter. No, I don't know how to do this. Come on. No. Come on. No. Mike, I just started to do it. They won't come to see the show if I give them the rap now. Okay. So you already gave me like three lines.

I give you a taste, but not the whole pie. Okay, so we're not going to... Heard. So we're not going to go through the whole thing, but can we at least do it with a beat? No, I'm sorry. That was it. Can you fit this in your mouth? Megan Trainor.

What did you... Can you fit this in your mouth? Because I probably can. Can you show us? Yeah. if you'll wrap. To my beat for just the lines you already said. No.

Come on, man. That's it. How is this enticing to me? It's not really a win-win. You just get to. And then I have to replace the microphone before the next guest. Okay. It's not insured.

It's not. No, sad. Sorry, my dog is hairy. That's okay. I can tell. Um, there was something I was going to ask. You were saying Megan trainer. Yeah, I was going to say Megan trainer.

Oh, I wanted to ask you, this is a passing thought I had earlier in the conversation that I think is worthwhile to bring up. So you weren't listening to me. Not whatsoever. But if you had to pick a person who is no longer living to deliver coffee to, who would you bring it to? Wow. Wow. No one's asked me that before. I feel so seen.

Yay. Um, maybe like Maryland. Marilyn Monroe Who? Who? Get out of your own apartment. That's ridiculous. What about Marilyn Adams?

Who's that? Who? I don't fucking... We're talking about the most iconic Maryland who has ever lived. There's a lot of iconic ones. Yeah, but there's one that's more iconic than all of it. And they would all probably agree.

I would probably agree, too. Maybe except for Marilyn Manson. He might think he's the most... But Marilyn Monroe, I would deliver to her. And I wouldn't film it. though, like her... You wouldn't? Mm-mm.

Sorry. I would want that to be a very, like... Sorry, it got excited. I would want that to be a very, like, I would want to... I say I would want to deliver coffee to her just because I would actually really want to, like, sit down. Pause. Does that mean you didn't actually want to sit down with all of the other people you deliver... That's what it sounds like.

Ab, absolutely not. I think Chastain will be upset hearing that. No, no, no. And you know what the fun thing about Chastain was, was we did sit down and have a full conversation before that. And actually, and that's actually most of that. The only person I really haven't been able to actually spend time with was Austin and Kamala Harris.

Okay. Because they're busy. They're busy people. Austin and I got like five seconds with all the, our entire time you saw was on camera. Wow. Kamala, we did talk for a second afterwards, but about public policy. No. She actually, she was telling me how much she liked my videos, which I was really surprised about

because I was like, how, what are you, why are you watching these? I mean, I'm so, but thank you. Well, yeah, but don't break the illusion. What do you mean? Let me think about her like sitting and just watching them. No, because then she's not preventing war. Right. And that's her only job.

Because she's not allowed to be a human. No. Do you want your doctor in the operating room watching TikToks? At some point during his day, I would love for him to decompress. And he deserves that. No, she can watch TikTok. Yeah, I hope she does and I hope she doesn't. Her team definitely showed her back.

Actually, I hope she doesn't because I've heard TikTok spies on people and I don't want TikTok spying on the vice president of the United States. Yeah. So I take it back. I want my. TikTok inspire me all they want. Why? You know, I've already told the internet so much.

Really? What is there to find? What's the thing that you've told the internet that you'd want to take back the most? I don't want to take it back, but my publicist did text me and said, so when you told the story about having Chlamydia three times, I just want to let you know that, you know, people are listening, right? And there's an audience for this that, you know, it, it, this is, this is not just to a few people. And so it's like, you know, some of the things you say have any impact.

So just be aware. He was not very like, you take it down, but he was like, be aware that these, that that is now a headline on a different news article. Chris Olson has had chlamydia three times. Here's why. Say it again. Chris Olson has had chlamydia three times here's why

and do you know why saying it is incredibly positive in my eyes because no because end the stigma that's what I think and that's actually what I said when I first said it

in the video I say so I've had clemenia three times and the stigma because end it also be safe be safe 100%. The goal of saying it

is not to say go get an infection go get chlamydia No, take that back. Oh, don't get chlamydia. Yes. Yes. That's the message we want to say.

And the message is, if you do get an infection, is not to feel shame about it. No. Because shame equals not getting medical care, hurting yourself mentally, physically at times, and we don't want that. And perhaps transmitting it to others. Also, if you're not getting tested and you don't know, you have it. Exactly. And that's one of the biggest barriers to getting people tested because they're worried that they may have it. Right.

Right, which is like, that's why we should go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was actually one of the things about getting on, I think that was one of the benefits for me about getting on prep is to stay on it. You have to be tested every three months, which I feel like is a pretty good, that's like a good time frame anyway for me as a human.

For people that are listening, can you share what prep is and what was your decision making? You may have to like expand on the things. But for my understanding, and I can too if you don't want to do it. It is a preventative for HIV that can also be used. If you do contract it, I think it can... Okay, let me do it.

Right, okay. But I do know, okay, I'll actually just share my own experience. Good. So let me explain what prep is so they know what you're saying. Yes. Okay, so prep is pre-exposure prophylaxis where before you're exposed to something, you can get protection. So with this, we combine two medicines into one pill. Sometimes you can get it in a shot.

and this medicine decreases if you're exposed to the HIV virus, 99% likelihood less of contracting it. 99, huge. So very big. Yes. And so I got on it because, well, people like HIV can be prevalent in the gay community. It was, I mean, obviously we had the AIDS crisis in the 80s. It still is a thing.

But with prep, I think it's become much more manageable for, I guess, the people who have it or, but also preventative. So anyway, I took it as a way of like, okay, I'm a sexually active gay man now. I want to be preventative and make sure I'm protecting myself from all the ways. So I started taking it like years ago. Do you believe that it's all the way? Are you still protecting yourself in other ways?

Because we still say, if you're using prep, you should still use a condom. Totally. I will say the adherence to my recommendation is probably, low, even though that's not what's recommended. But my job is to inform of risks and patients to make decisions for themselves, as we said in the beginning. You talked about that before?

Yep. Great. So that's important. Yeah. And then also, what happens is, and we need to counsel people on this, that if you do take prep, it doesn't protect you from all sexually transmitted infections. Exactly. And that's why.

And that's why I found out I've had chlamydia three times. Okay, got it. But it's actually been very spread out. And I haven't gotten it recently. Safety. But the first time I ever got it, I was like 15. And it was one of the first times I had ever been tested. And it was like at that point when you're 15 and you're young and you hear you have chlamydia,

you're like, that's like, oh my God, the world is ending. So I'm dying. And I remember because it was a minor, they like called my parents or something like that. Interesting. It also could have been because I'm a junior and my dad's name is the same. name is I. So possibly, I think when he answered the phone, they were like, we're looking for Chris Olson, and he was like, hi.

That was interesting news for him. Yeah. So I got it. And then I had to have my antibiotics shipped to the boarding school that I was at at the time. And then I took them. And then after you take your antibiotics for two weeks, you're free. You did two weeks of them? Maybe it wasn't

two weeks? How long did I do? I mean, it depends. when, how old were you? I was 15 the first time. Depends. I'll leave it at the pens. Because it depends if they give you is that they're my synodicyclin and there's different timetables.

Yeah, I don't know. It could have been all of them. I doubt it was all. Right. No. But the reality of STIs is they carry so much stigma and they get classified into these embarrassing diseases that they shouldn't be.

And I actually have a video that I'm trying to write in film called embarrassing diseases that shouldn't be. You know, that list is like herpes and things that people get really afraid of. Right. Where I'm like, this will probably have no impact on your life outside of an outbreak every now and then. And even that can be decreased significantly with the medication. Yeah.

Isn't there a medication that? For suppressive therapy. Because also when you're not, when you're not having an outbreak, then you don't transmit it. Or you have a less likelihood of transmitting? If you truly have no outbreak and no outbreak incoming, yes, you can't transmit it. Got it. But if the outbreak is imminent. Like if it's about to happen.

Yes. Wow. There's a possibility there. Okay. So that's why we don't want to say, if there's no lesions, you're good. It's like, most of the time you're good.

Yes. But I do think the stigma should be ended. And there was a little bit of discourse in that comment section because a lot of people, because some people were like, oh, you're making it. You're like promoting being unsafe during that. And I was like, no, no, no, no.

Like I'm promoting testing. I think that's all there's like. And people, as I'm sure you know as a doctor, like people are going to do. what they want at the end of the day like you can't control another person and so but all you can do is encourage them like okay if you're not going to

like always be safe when you're doing sexual activity or something like that you're talking about risk reduction yes because as you were talking about the AIDS epidemic of the 80s there was some school of thought that said you should just not have sex and that's the messaging doctors are allowed to say

because that's the correct messaging that's how we fight back against this and we saw that fail terribly And we realized, okay, there's got to be like risk reduction mitigation methods where we don't just say flat out at zero or 100. There's shades of gray. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's what I was trying to. I mean, also when I was making the video, there wasn't even that much channelization behind it. Like, that's how I'm going to start the video. I was like, that's a funny way to start the video. So I'm going to do it. And then there it goes from there. What did you take from your three experiences of having chlamydia? Did you learn more about the health care system, how it worked?

Did you have any troubles getting treatment? No, I guess I did, I, I, by the first time you kind of, by the time you're in the doctor's office and they're like, oh, we're just prescribing these antibiotics, like the high stakes nature of it all kind of finally goes down because you're like, oh, okay, I'm going to be okay. They, if you, correct me if I'm wrong. And I think if you're living, if you're not living with it for a very long time, there really aren't many serious.

There can't, there's, see this how hard medicine is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, my God, the way you have to speak. Yeah. Anyway, I'm not even going to finish that sentence because it could be wrong.

But I figure, you say it on the, the way you do it, by the way, is you say it on the other spectrum. That if you're living with undiagnosed STIs, that can breed problems. Right.

Like if you have longstanding untreated gonorrhea, that can lead to arthritis. Yes. Yes. I remember looking it up because once I found, once I found out I had it, I was like, what are, what's going to happen to me? And infection can spread. Yes. That's a problem. Yes. And so I, all three times I've had it, I've been from what I know, asymptomatic as well. Like I, I've never, I've never actually felt that I've had it in whatever way. Which is why screening and testing is so important. Yes. Exactly. And so that's why when I have, I'm like, okay, great. And then you go and they prescribe you the antibiotics. So by the same. So by the same. second and third time I think it was I was more just like okay I got this you know what's your relationship like with health care in general like do you have a good relationship with your doctor um yeah I well here's the thing I haven't found I haven't like started with

since I've since I've like left college in Boston haven't started with like a new doctor like They don't have a primary. I don't have a primary. Oh, so how do you get health care now? Like when I needed to get re-prescribed prep, I did telehealth. Yeah. What about outside of that? Outside of that.

I still go to my same dentist back in the D.C. area. That's home. Okay. That's different. Health care? Yeah. Dentist is like doctor or something, right? Well, yeah.

It's just not the world I live in, so I was just curious. Okay. Like if I get sick. your arm. Oh, I don't. I get a bump on your skin, your knee hurt. Who do you go see? I don't. I don't really. And that's, and that was actually something that my last, like, when I was in a relationship last, he was like, if you're still, because I'm 25, so I'm still on my dad's insurance. Another year. He's like, yeah, I know. And then I'll have to switch it up. He's like, but I was with him from ages 22 to 24. So I was very, very much on it the whole time. And he was

like if I were, if I, like, readily had insurance that I wasn't paying for, like, every time something happened to me, I would go get a checkup at a doctor. For some reason, I, one, thankfully, like, knock on wood, I, I'm not feeling too bad most of the time. Um, that's great. Yeah. But two, I guess like if I get, if I'm starting to feel, I'll go to an urgent care thing, something like that. You hate it. You're so mad. You're so mad. You're so mad. me okay okay these are my disappointment right right it's and and listen and it's not because and it's not because i it's not because i it's not because i it's not because i'm not offended by right right i'm upset because you could be getting better care 100% yeah i agree with you and why do you agree

because because you're right why because i could be why because like i have i'm on my dad's insurance and there's probably so many lovely doctors around Los Angeles or New York City. I'm sitting in front of one right now. But what would benefit would you get by seeing them? Like you're saying it's better, but I'm curious. Do you believe that or are you just saying that because I'm here? Partly because you're here. But I guess I do, I think there's a lot of worth in having a relationship with someone as a doctor that like you've, can feel like you trust them more. So if there are things you want to say, you know me, and so I can trust you more.

If I'm going to an urgent care person and maybe it's something like an STD or it's something that feels more vulnerable to talk about, I think I and probably other people would feel a little more resistant to saying those things. The communication is definitely better with continuity. Yeah, like my doctor who was my, what's it called when you're a child doctor? Yeah, my pediatrician who was with me until I was like 18. by the time he was the first one to give me all the STD testing and everything and like by the time I'm like I was 18 and still going to him like I feel like I couldn't you know he knows he's known me my entire life I can really talk to him it's kind of like my my the worth I find in a therapist as well it's tough when you first start going to one because you have to kind of go through your life story and get comfortable with them but then when you have them for a while you can go but my I guess my thought with it is similar to my the my friends thought with having a therapist because when I convince someone to go

connect with the therapist they're like it's just like I just don't know where to start like I'm I and then starting and going and having to tell your whole life story all of the things and I'm like yeah but you have to start and then a few months from now or even weeks you'll feel comfortable and like you're going and I'm just in that spot with the doctor of being like you can yeah but I have this I have the urgent care and so where am I supposed to just begin? Got it. I completely agree with you that the process sucks and it's not easy to find a good primary and you're moving around a lot so you're busy. These are all very reasonable places for you to be.

The reason why I really push for people, especially young folks, to get a primary, is obviously the reason that you said to have a better line of communication with someone that follows them throughout their life, especially me. I'm a family medicine doctor. So I treat kids and adults. So, like, I've had patients that I've been seeing since they were 15 and now they're 21 and I'm still seeing them. That's a beautiful thing to watch someone about through all stages and know who they are. And the impact that I had on them as a doctor when they were 15, I'm seeing the benefits today, which is very rewarding. Right. But then there's things that we can do in health care that can prevent problems.

So, like, urgent care can be great to fill a need and the void of, like, not needing to go to the ER because you don't need emergency surgery. or you're, like, bleeding out or something, but you have an acute problem. And your primary might be super busy that day. You can get into an urgent care. Right, right. It could be totally appropriate. Yeah.

But then for more lifestyle-focused things where you can improve the likelihood of this issue returning, get counseling on the issue of what risks you face by continuing to do certain things, getting vaccines, cancer screenings, all those things don't really happen. in urgent care centers. No, totally.

So that's why the primary. There's some things that we can truly prevent and mitigate risk on, and then some things we can just have an open conversation. Yeah. No, I believe, and everything I think you're saying is correct. Okay. So, right. And so I'm going to, yeah.

So you'd consider it. I would. That's my goal to get you into the, from the pre-contemplation to the contemplation. I also do, like, I do hope to actually, I do want a primary care doctor. Like, that's the thing, I think, too, that's with these urgent care places, you're always like, okay, this temporary, temporary, temporary, but sometimes temporary can last so long that it becomes permanent. Of course, especially how convenient it is. Right, right.

But health care, like valuable, long-term life health care can't be convenient like that. And I think it's also, to your point, moving around all the time, and the past few years have been crazy with the pandemic and everything. So I was, like, locked down in one place, and then I moved to another, and now back and forth. So, but now that I feel like I have more roots. There's no need to even excuse the actions. It's just about what to do moving forward. Right. Yeah.

And in this case, like, I would love for you to find someone. And find someone modern who that when you are moving around, you can have a telehealth visit with your primary. Yes. Like, that would be awesome. Yes. That does feel great. So I would be excited for you to do that.

And I'm also glad that you brought up your therapist and you've talked openly about your therapy. You've even shown some interactions. I sure have. with your therapist on TikTok. Yes. How did you decide to do that? Because that's like everyone's biggest fear probably.

Well, and that's, and I guess that was part of how I was able to share it because I, I'm so not scared of therapy because I've been in it for so long. So it's, how long have you been? So I want to say maybe the first session I went to, it must have been like 13. So it's been like 12ish years now.

So I've been in therapy for so long that it feels so like destigmatized. in my mind, but I know it can be a thing for everyone else. Anyway, I had one therapy session that I was like, this is like, we had so many we touched the deep things of the week and all of that, but also there were so many, like, funny moments in here. Like, maybe next week, I'm just going to record it back.

Also, because I think there's worth and, like, watching back some of the things that you say and stuff like that and just being able to, like... Were you doing that before you were shooting the TikToks? No, I would write about them afterwards, but not, like, do a full video of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she kind of had that idea, like, a while back.

But so then I started doing the recording of them. And then I remember the first time I recorded it and just being like, yeah, there's like good stuff here. And also, if you watch them, like, I'm never really sharing the moments that are really personal to me, that are the ones that are like, like, if something's very vulnerable and going on in my life, I'm not just going to be like, okay, well, that's on the internet. But I'm also, I'm still sharing parts where, you know, I can sometimes get emotional, but also the funny parts and the parts that are more lighthearted because

those all exist in therapy like the entire spectrum i think it's it's important to find a therapist not that you're friends with like i think if there it can be there's a line of like you know the truly doctor patient but also that you still feel very comfortable with that you can have a little bit of a banter with because then as you get to the deep parts you don't feel like there's that barrier up already and so i started sharing those and i remember like for the most part I think a lot of people watch those and it's a nice little laugh for their day and that's it but I think there are a lot of people who it kind of like took that stigma away from therapy or it made them feel like oh this is how therapy can be it can be more of something that's it's not as scary of a thing and I remember like someone like then being out in public people have come up to me and been like I got back into therapy because of those or I started therapy because of those videos and and so then I always kind of try to remember with that and with a lot of my content is that like these whatever you're mentioning like like the the chlamydia thing even if for the most part most people are just having a little laugh at your video there are a few people out there who it can be a much deeper thing for them and so the therapy videos there they continue to be funny and I continue to like hope to make people laugh from them but I also hope that people can continue getting into it because it isn't if it like It isn't as scary as I think.

It is the big battle of it is beginning. Yeah. I'm feeling like, oh, I have to, I have to, it takes a while to get there to get to that spot that like Chris is in with his therapist. But like, I'm never going to get there if I don't start. True. Not to sound like a therapist, but how does it make you feel when people come up to you and tell you that you've changed their lives in that way?

Oh. It's like, well, it's kind of unfathomable in a way because you're, it's that parisocial relationship of someone who I don't know who has a full relationship with me coming up to me and being like I my life is changed because of you like yesterday I was in a Starbucks wow I was meeting someone in a Starbucks yeah but I was in a Starbucks it was right before Jessica Justin because she wanted Starbucks and so we had to get a Starbucks but did she turn down your brand no she took it oh oh you didn't watch the video no right no but she has a Starbucks and then also takes that coffee but yesterday I was in a Starbucks and so I was in a Starbucks and so I was in a Starbucks bucks, uh, meeting up with her team before we went. And a girl turns around and starts crying because she saw me. And she's like, I've just, well, you change my life, all of these things. And it is so beautiful. And I hold space. Um, I'm never, I don't find myself becoming, like, I find myself in that now I need to take care. I'm like, it's okay. Like, I, we got that. Like, I'm like, I try to ask about their day. I'm like, I'm trying to normalize the situation. But it's also, I think

I'm able to process it more after the fact and I'm more like that it brings me so much joy to know that someone is impacted in such a deep way and that yeah they've been able to like in a moment of their own darkness they've been able to find some light through anything that I've been doing

because I feel like I find so much like I find so much joy out of the things that I'm doing as well and so it's like we're both giving it to each other in a way. Does that impact your thought process for your future content? Like, yes and no. I think it always, I'm never,

it's not too often that I really go into a video being like, this is the impact I want for it to hit. I think I find that after the fact, which I think is a good thing. I think if I were going in with too much intention of changing people, then it might be almost like, artificial.

Yeah, it might, it'll be artificial. It's like too self-aware in a way. And I go in always just with the more simpler thought of like to bring joy. And to be yourself. To bring joy, to be myself. And then if something good comes out of it, you celebrate it. Right. Right.

And so then when I'm surprised by the further impact that it has, then it makes me, then I know like, okay, I should just keep doing what I'm doing rather than, okay, now I need to think more about this. Because if it's already happening through my relative. lighter thought process of it than like if I were to change that then then it becomes beneficial when you say unfathomable I also think about how unnatural it is to have someone watching over your life and then you not know anything about their life but still want to be nice and of course but how difficult it is to genuinely be in that position right and you try to get to know them in that in that those few seconds like the art of dating like if you see someone

across the room that you are attracted to there's nothing honest you can go to say to them outside that you find them attractive. Right, right, because that's, which is then the problem with dating apps. Yeah. Because all of them are just based off of looks. Yes. Not that it's something that I'm like anti-dating apps. I am on one.

But they can, yeah, it's based off of looks and as much as much of life is, you know, like we, that's the first thing we perceive people with and all of that stuff. But yeah, I'm not, I don't try to, I don't try to, I don't try to. like build too much off of the things that I'm doing. It just kind of just come from here. The thing I wanted to emphasize that you talked about was in getting to know your therapist and not crossing a line, I think that point is so important because the number one thing that decides success between a patient and their therapist is not their degree.

It's not whether they're counselor, social worker, psychologist, psychiatrist, family medicine doctor. It's the connection that they have. And you can't really qualify or quantify what that means on a paper. It's just go for your first session and think about it like a first date. Right, right. And see if this is a good fit, whatever that means for you. Yes.

And if for whatever reason you don't feel it's a good fit, go see someone else. And it's totally fine. That's expected by therapists. Yeah. Most therapists have probably had more first sessions that then don't continue. then like, yeah, because they can only have so many people anyway on their roster. But yeah, it's like you're, you are, you have the, you have the power in that moment. I think that's what people are like scared of too.

Of course. They're just like, I just feel like I don't know, like what am I going to talk about? It's like whatever you want to bring to the table for this first session. You're in charge. Yeah. Like it's not you're going to see someone who's going to tell you what to do. Right. And then I have the flip side.

Some patients, be like, what am I going to do? Just talk about my feelings. Well, go and see if that's what ends up happening. Maybe you won't at all. Right. And it'll be all practical stuff. Yeah. A lot of the time with my sessions, like the first few minutes of the session anyway

are just like talking about my day. Yeah. Or like telling a funny story that I was like. And you've been doing this therapy consistently for the 12 years, right? There have been like. Well, mostly consistent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The reason I say that is not everyone who goes to therapy or needs therapy will need it for

12 years. No. You could be going through a rough patch and having an adjustment situation where you need support right now and to think through something and that's totally okay. In fact, my therapist almost like kicked me out of therapy after we've done enough time and we've gotten through the issue that I was working on and we kind of were reaching a roadblock where we were like, I don't have anything else. We don't have anything right now.

So it's, okay, let's come back when you have something. Wow. Yeah. And that's a very therapist who do that need to be applauded. Right. Because they're doing it for the right reasons, especially if you're paying them out of Right, because then they're like, yeah, I'm not going to get paid, but you know, where you have done the work here. Yeah, no, and I've had different therapists throughout the years, but I've had this most recent one that I've had for like five, well, five years with like a year off in there. So I guess four total, but we've been working together for a long time. That's awesome. So yeah, I think there's a lot of worth and like just connecting with one. But also, just like you said, it's not this thing that has to be like, and now I'm going to do therapy. forever.

But if it feels, but if that also feels like something that you might need or that's helpful, then do it forever. The goal of doctors is really to number one support validate all of those things,

but also to give tools so that you can make decisions on your own and not need a doctor all the time. Like when patients come in with a musculoske skeletal injury, their knee hurts, their back hurts.

My goal isn't just to like diagnose real quick, give a treatment and run out the door. It's also to give some education as to how I'm thinking about this. what I would be concerned about what are some red flag things so the next time they're like oh no the doctor told me what I should be looking out for this will probably go away I'm comfortable waiting yeah we're we're cutting down the use of healthcare system cutting down how many times you need to go spend with the doctor and it's like a win win win yeah what tools did your therapist teach you um well at the start she was very like it was definitely very intense and it was very like we are we're very emotional yeah emotional but also like um she's not a therapist that's just there to like listen and agree like if I say something or if I'm going through something and I'm not in the right or if there's like a way I should have dealt with something in a different way she'll let me know interesting but she she but less so now because I think now I hopefully I guess through the work that we not I'm always more right but I'm not I'm always more right but I'm now doing that work in my head before I've even gotten to the session I'm like yeah I did this and I should have reacted in in this way but I think I was doing that because I felt this like I'm now able to kind of sometimes analyze too far because she's like yeah Chris

it also just sounds like you were maybe sad that day and I'm like yeah like I have to like I I've just over analyzed every every scenario but early on she was very like um she would it was almost like prioritized like how are you in the wrong in this situation because I think a lot of the time at least I guess who I was but I think sometimes human can be very, like, we can tend to lean towards, like, thinking of the ways we're a victim in a situation, which is okay, because a lot of the time, we're always trying to be right. We're trying to operate with love or in the right way. So when most of us are trying to do that, then when something goes wrong, of course it's not our instinct to be like, what did I do? Like, it's our

instinct to be like, hey, I'm always a good person, though. So, like, it has to be the other people. And so I think she has helped me go to the other side of being like, yes, you are you are operating out of good intentions. But that doesn't mean that encompasses 100% of your actions. And sometimes your good intention for yourself might have a negative effect on someone else in whatever way that it does. And so I think I've now tried to find more of the middle ground with her of being like, of analyzing

while my intention may have been good the action may have caused this and then this might have been what happened so she was pretty, she was really tough on me really early on and now I feel like we're evened out and I know and also we've talked about her sometimes like the toughness maybe wasn't needed

like she has she actually apologized to me for some of the early sessions because she was like I think you know there were parts that you didn't need for the way that we talked about things there while it also was effective you're human dealing with feelings like you never know

when you're going too far to one side of the spectrum until you've gone there and so now we try to like because I was on one side and she like flung me all the way to the other and so we're like okay now let's find the middle ground I'm also a very black and white person I'm an extremist in so many of the things

that I do and so like I feel like so much of our work is finding gray areas so you're like thriving in the sea of nuance wow that's beautiful just like your eyes thank you blue like the sea speaking of my eyes do you ever masturbate what you never heard of masturbation

no what is this it's when you force yourself to do something you don't want to do but in reality you're choosing to do it yes must wait so you wake up in the morning and you're like I have to go to work oh I must go to work I must go to work I must do this. And then you're just like...

Musturbate. You like that transition, though? Yeah, well, so speaking... Is this like very 60 minutes? No, no, no. But here's the thing, though. If we were really speaking of the true meaning of musterbate, then that sentence didn't make sense.

Why? Speaking of my eyes, do you ever masturbate? Yeah, I agree. It didn't make a lot of sense. Yeah, exactly. Unless... I know where you were trying to go. I wasn't trying to go anywhere.

No, no, because you were trying to hope I heard the word different. I'm not a good interviewer. This is only like my 14th podcast. So I'm trying my best here. This is only your 14th? You're doing great. Thank you. I don't know if you really mean that.

No, no, no. I think because your body language changed and you covered up. No, I didn't. Yeah, you kind of went like this. I didn't. See? My hands were like this. That's not a full cover.

I was like, you're doing, yeah, you're doing great. Whoa, he's a liar. But it's like you're doing great. I also, I would have thought you've done more than this. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, you're pretty native to content. Yeah.

right so that's like yeah you're talking to people all day but you're you're pretty native to the content land you've like i said before but i react to memes and stuff so like when did you start doing this five years ago five years ago like all of this really huh be like i saw you as a child maybe not maybe as a doctor oh probably not where have you lived in new york all your life Oh, yeah, no. Oh, sorry. Anyway. Interesting.

I don't know where you have seen me otherwise. I had my viral moment started in 2015. I guess that was eight years ago, but I didn't have social media presence. Like a hot doctor? Yeah. Wow. So eight years ago, you were 17. I was 17.

And I didn't agree to the term. I agreed to the headline. Right. Wait, what was the headline? People magazine Sexiest Doctor Live. Oh, my God. That was the first thing that ever happened to you? Well, not ever.

check out this hot doctor and then people magazine did it where and where did buzzfeed find you instagram because what were you posting um i was like into fitness like i was in the kind of shape you're in now oh i'm not that anymore you're not um i was for my fight in october well i appreciate you knowing what kind of shape i'm in that's so sweet of you i mean that was my next topic oh but before we go into the topic of your abs can we talk about your masturbation or potential masturbation okay explain the term again okay do you ever find yourself work-wise relationship I have to do this I have to because I do that a lot called shoulding on yourself yes yes yes I'm definitely a people pleaser which so that tends to when

someone else would want something out of me then I feel like I must like I feel like I do it often but I think I think over the years I found better boundaries with what I feel like I have to do and what I feel like I'm allowed to like take a break from or to care for it. Like, I mean, the whole journey with content, I think, has been many in and out, like, ins and outs because when I started it, I was making, churning out the videos. I was making so many of them. And I was like, always just trying to find the new thing. And then along the way, I was like, oh, this, yeah, this doesn't feel sustainable.

Like, I want to find more of a balance. And over time, the balance has become less, just posting less and less videos. Because when you're doing content for a while, the work you do outside of the videos, one ramps up. So now I have less capacity to do the videos because a lot of other things are going on. But also, like, I want them to continue to be quality. So let me, like, put more, like, do. You're pacing yourself. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Let me pace myself. Like, even last year, I was still posting every day during the week. And now I post when I feel like I want to post. Good. When I feel good about it. there's always something that I'm doing workwise that day anyway. So it's not like I'm like, oh, and now I never

post and I just kind of sit around all day. Like, I'm somehow and like, if someone, people ask like, what are you, what's your day to day? I can't really, I don't really know because it's always different. But somehow I am busy. Like somehow I don't seem to have time to like. Why somehow?

I don't know. Because I, well, you're doing, you're involved in so many ventures. You're an entrepreneur, concert. Sure. Yeah, but I I guess I also, right? Right. I'm able, I also see myself from the outside perspective of just those TikToks. And I'm like, if you're only making not all day, what else are you doing? But I'm like, I am doing on. Why are you judging yourself based off someone else's misconception? I know I'm self gaslighting. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, no. Okay. Done. It's gone. I actually should myself this morning. Okay. Because I had to go to box and I didn't want to. And I said, I got to go. I must go. I'm like, wait. Should yourself. Yeah. Yeah, that was your term. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. So I then reframed it and did the thing that my therapist talked to me about. And I said, okay, wait, do I have to go to boxing? You can't. Do I must go? Or do I want to go to boxing? Oh, oh. Because, like, what am I going for boxing for?

I'm going because I want to be a better boxer. Yeah, like you signed up to do it. Like, you were, there was obviously there was a version of you that was. Well, yes. But also, like, what is the goal to go? And the goal is to get better at boxing. Do I want that? Yes, I want that.

Then I want to go. Great. Then go. So I went. And you did, what time is it? 8.30. Oh, okay. Yeah.

That's super early. Yeah. But I understand. Well, yeah. Well, by 8.30 this morning, I was just eating a bagel. And so I wouldn't have wanted to. Like half a loaf depending. Half a loaf.

And if you do the fact checking of here. We're going to fact check that afterwards. Absolutely. Yeah. Tell me about your abs. Okay. How'd you get them? What do you want?

I've actually, let me actually pull up a photo. I've kind of always, I'm going to pull up. pull up a photo from a long time ago. I've kind of always been lean in a little bit of a way. Like I've I think I've almost always had a little bit of an ab

which I think makes it easier for people. So genetic. Yeah, see that little guy? He's got some apps. Yeah, and boogie board. Yeah. And boogie board to the camera to the no one in the audience. But I yeah, I think I've always

had them a little bit Okay but maintaining them into your 20s is hard Yes 100% Oh no I work I do work out I do work out I got really into like I went to boarding school

And I started working out For the first time there Because I had a little gym And when I was growing up I had to play a lot of sports Because my dad was just like You're gonna play sports So I did

And then so I was I still into fitness So I started doing it in high school And then I think I started getting fit But it wasn't until I was, I want to say like 20, and I got a job at Equinox working at the kids club, um, taking care of the kids. So I got a free, free membership. And as a broke college student, I was like, this is the best place ever. So I'm going to go to Equinox every day and really work out. And that's when I really started like enjoying, and I stopped drinking when I was 19, which obviously

really like flushes out all of the, all of the things. And, And so I want to say, yeah, it was like age 20, 21 that I was like, I started working out like six days a week. Wow. Hour work or hour half. Like, you know, I was doing it all. It started of just like most of the basic things of like I would have a back, back and biceps day, a triceps and chest day, a shoulders day and a leg stay. So complementary muscles. Most of the, what they're called the vanity ones.

Yeah, so I would do that And then I always did a lot of cardio Because I've always The cardio is the part of fitness That feels really good to me I really like weightlifting So you get a runner's high? Yeah

Okay Not well actually I like after I've run That's when the runner's high Supposed to happen Oh See someone told me that it was when you're during it And I was like I never feel great

I don't I'm not loving while I'm running I mean some people love the idea of escaping And being running But that's not the runner's high We're talking about the endorphin after Yes That feels great because then I'm like, wow, I really just did that. So I started working out a lot then.

And so it would be very standard workouts because I was just working out at Equinox. And then when the pandemic first hit kind of stopped working out, and I ended up getting like very skinny. That's what ended up happening, which is wild because I, yeah, that, that's how my body anatomically worked. It was like we're not working out. We're going to get skinny. And so then when I got back into it, I started doing a lot of group fitness classes and all of those things.

But now I'm kind of back to working out just like on my own. And as we know, abs are made mostly in the kitchen. So what's your diet like? It's the worst part, though. I'm not. Because I don't, I don't eat the best. Why is that? Well, first of all, let's take the judgment out of it.

Every morning. Let's take the judgment out of it. Okay, great, great. I guess there is judgment usually because a lot of the time when someone's like, how do you, what are you eating? Because you have this. I'm like, it's this or this. Well, you could just like,

I don't watch it that well. Yeah. I don't watch it that well. I'm not eating like, I'm not going out of my way. And I'm not getting like, are you counting calories, macros,

types of foods, anything specific diets? I do kind of consistently eat the same thing every day. Okay. So in the morning, I have a bacon egg and cheese bagel. Okay.

Lunch is either switches between like a salad or like a sweet green or like an assay bowl or just like something lighter. Because sometimes, sometimes I also, miss lunch. Not because I'm trying to intermittent fast or anything. I just like lunch never, I guess because my half a loaf of bread in the morning really keeps me going through it.

Is the bacon egg and cheese on a bagel? No, that's why. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. And then dinner does switch up, but I feel like it's usually something that has some protein in it, like a chicken or like if I go out like a steak or a burger or something like that. Like usually something that has a little bit of protein in it, but it's definitely not like, I'm not trying to, I don't find the cleanest diet. I'm, I'm not usually watching it. And I'll let myself. Yeah, that's honest. I, I'm actually glad you say that. Isn't that funny that I enjoy this? I mean, I truly, I eat what I enjoy. That's great. And the reason why I'm excited about it is because most people that would have your body would then go and say, no, you got to do this.

Right. And then my patients would do it and I'd be like, that's not why they have abs. No, because every single body is also different because I know, like, I know, I know friends with all different types of bodies who are eating very healthy and they're not getting the results they want or eating horribly and they have the exact result that they want. And so I've, no, I've never been a person. And a lot of the time also when people ask me, if they're asking for advice or like, what should I do? I'm like, well, because what are you doing? I'm like, what I'm doing. I don't know. like that's great it could work it might not work for you thank you no seriously you don't understand

how much in the influencer space is exact opposite of this well i'm sure yeah but i don't i don't i'm not trying to i because i i don't have the knowledge of exactly what worked for me i just know what i've done and i i we know that everyone is different yeah so what uh do you take any supplements or believe in anything like that yes what do you do take some zinc in the morning why zinc um because it's supposed to prove like it for your immune system okay right i'm just going to listen oh oh god i hate this i take a probiotic okay um because megan takes one that she's influenced me and she was like it it makes her shit every morning and she was like do it um and it it works pretty well okay maybe that's also just me um you mean maybe you just shit in the morning probably so uh

But after the probiotic, it was great. So I take zinc, a probiotic, vitamin D, and then I just started also taking some magnesium because people said it helps calm you down. When you say people. Someone on TikTok. Nice. I'm going to be honest with you. Someone on TikTok.

What we got out of this interview. you this far. We've got a lot. No primary care doctor. Loves urgent care. Take supplements based on TikTok recommendation. I mean, listen.

The algorithm has told him. It's best. I'm honest with you. And so the people can be, I'm, and listen, you don't hear me saying, and you should do it too.

Like, I'm not trying to influence anyone on something I'm doing. Yeah. I'm usually not trying to do that. Like, I'm usually just kind of like talking. Sure.

But anyway, yeah, so I started taking some magnesium. And I will say, I get very nervous before I, like, go on, like, a talk show or I go speak somewhere or something like that. Oh, so relatable. Mm-hmm. I wasn't trying to be relatable. I was just pointing that out because you pointed it out earlier when I said it. Sure. So I get really, actually, stage fright is relatable.

So is talking in the show. shower. And that's what I was saying. So I, and I had, I took my magnesium that morning. And I oddly felt a little calmer before going on that one. Okay. Is it horrible? Should I not be taking that? I'm not your doctor. You said you were going to stay quiet until the end. I just said I was going to stay quiet. So you're not going to tell me anything about the supplements that I take? No. I mean, what would you like to know about the supplements? Like, are my doing anything actively negative? by taking this? If one, I'm going to do hypothetical. Okay. If one was to take several supplements, hoping that it would improve certain areas of their health, I foresee a couple of problems arising. Oh.

Problem number one, they forego good medical care for the problems that they actually have that could be treatable. Sure. Two, they could be taking supplements that have trace toxins in them. And when I say toxins, I have heard that. I have heard that. And that's been found in like protein powders and all these other things. And then also, they could be just flushing a lot of money down the toilet with their urine.

I do know that one. I do know that multivitamins. Some say, not me, that multivitamins are a scam. So I don't take any of those. Do you take any supplements? I occasionally will take some protein if I don't eat enough. That's what I'm saying. Right.

You take protein. Sometimes. But like a very clean protein. I mean the gold standard way. Oh. Yeah. Like I don't over. think it. Great.

Yeah. So it's, and again, I, in my line of work, I could be really pushing some shit. I could be selling some supplements. You totally could. I could be like, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. The biomechanical process. Because I could tell you how boosting certain vitamin levels can cure certain diseases. Mm-hmm. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, in mice. Right. Oh. Wow. And Chris is not a mouse. I'm not. So why would I tell you about that study? Yeah, right. And yet that's how most supplement companies.

But you wouldn't have to finish the whole thing, yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Wow. Because a lot of these supplement companies make a lot of bogus claims. And they don't just make bogus claims because the FDA will crack down on really bad claims. Like if they say this cures this, the FDA will step in. But a lot of them are really sharp and they say like vitamin C is important for immune health.

Wow. And that statement is accurate. Sure. Yeah. But does taking your. thing that you're selling me improve my thing? Right, right. And also, because you're a doctor, you could use just a lot of words that, like, people might not understand to sell the product because... And they might enjoy my eyes, and they might say, let me buy this. And I refuse to do it.

Right. So have you ever done an ad, a brand deal? Yes, of course, but not for supplements. Right, right, right. Or not for things that are bullshit, but, like, for companies, like, audibles as a partner, because I encourage people to read, Thrive marketing is a partner to get healthy foods delivered to your door like things that make sense yes if i like a clothing company i want to do like yeah right right okay that makes sense i'm just not going to use my medical license to trick people into taking BS no no and there's a lot of people who are very good at doing that right right and it it's unique in that people on both ends of the spectrum of finances get the worst advice yeah people who are struggling financially oftentimes don't have money to see

doctor or to pay for their medication so they get bad care and then people who are very wealthy that are celebrity they will get doctors recommending them BS to make money or they come in demanding something the doctor feels like they're obliged to give them whatever they need if it's not healthy so both sides are getting bad care it's a unique spectrum wow yeah also there aren't too many i guess there aren't that many i'm like well maybe i'm just not well versed in the in the area of but like doctor content creators who are a lot. There are a lot. And I would assume maybe some of them are selling the supplement that they may not even really believe in. But that is that is I guess the whole well they believe in it. Oh they do. Well they believe that it makes their wallet a little

bit thicker. Sure. Sure. Which I guess is also the whole thing of that like the the plight of the influencer as well of regardless of what thing you're in or what like niche or what you know Yeah. What. Yeah. A category of content you're making. I think some people still can sometimes agree to things that they have no belief in or that it's just, it's purely for the money. Yeah.

And I think that's where finding more of like the genuine connection that you have with the things. I feel like that's changed a little bit over the last few years where before you could just see any celebrity that was on Big Brother or whatever, whatever, Love Island, come on and say, this is the matter. But like now people have kind of become wise to it and are like, you didn't do this. You had surgery. Why are you why? And like now there's pushback because social media created a layer of transparency around it. Yes, yes.

So that's kind of cool. Yeah. Because people, yeah, there's people, people talk more and people are connected to so many, like, understanding the industries that we are all in is so much easier because you have people in those industries talking about the industries online. For sure. Yeah. My last question before we go to the lightning round.

And it's not the lightning round. and say, I'm actually going to check your reflexes. Are you in love? No. Because you have a love bracelet. Oh. No, this was given to me by my mom for. So you are in love.

Yes. With my family. Why did you discount your mom off? Because I guess I was considering just romantic love. No, there's many layers of love. Tell us about the love you have for your mom. She's lovely. She's a wonderful.

She gave the sweet for college graduation. She's lovely because I was like caught off guard. yeah mom's great like what how do you talk about your love for your family she just talk about it like you're talking to her this is so we

just like we did such a big you turn that's good um she's she's this keeps you honest she's she's a now I'm about to just describe her like I'm like um why do you love her

because she's a very honest, strong woman who has done so much work on herself, mentally, emotionally, all of the things, and is also consistently doing that work. And it's like knowing that it's going to be a journey for the rest of life, that we should always be trying to better ourselves. And I think she always operates out of love, which is a beautiful thing. She always has really wonderful intentions. we had many many great memories growing up that's awesome i lost my mom so it's nice to hear this oh i'm sorry to hear that yeah yeah no she's she's great um she's also on her like world

traveler vibe right now so she's been going like all over south america over the past few months um nice and just like exploring because she can work and having cool coffees having cool coffees yes not yours no i don't think she's been able to have mine yeah oh she's been out of country yeah you know it's funny on my high school yearbook you know you're allowed to like write something like a statement you know what mine said what shout out to moms oh oh i've always wrote that to other people yeah i've had something wrong with me for a long time oh okay kind of the message right all right sure okay great shout out to moms so there you go you did it's great she might hear this yes she probably will i think she listens to like everything that's

awesome except god and but sometimes i'm trying to think about it because you're talking about chlamydia talking about all other things which is fine like again no stigma but you know with your parents sometimes it's like yeah that's awkward don't even perceive me doing anything sexual ever never never are you ready to check your reflexes okay

your phone's down there are you gonna throw it at me yes okay here we go oh okay sorry healthiest part of your body my mind

shout out to the therapist one part of your body that you wish you could replace oh um that I wish I could replace can I say like my height you could say anything you want like I don't I don't

so I guess I would be my legs like I wish they were a little longer not that I don't know because then I would be disproportional I guess just my height like I wish I were a little taller your skeletal system my skeletal system Okay. But also I'm happy with my height and I'm not mad.

I'm like... Actually, interestingly enough, like height is mostly contributed by your long bones of your skeletal system. So you could say the extension of your lung bones. Sure. Sorry. What's one thing that raised your blood pressure this week? Got you mad? Got me mad?

God, I didn't really... I don't get mad too often. Got me mad. I mean, not like throwing stuff mad, but like... I will say right. What gave you the ick? Right. This didn't give me the ick, but it maybe raised my blood pressure right before I got here.

I've been in like a slight situation ship for a guy over the past, with a guy for over the past three months ever since the end of Thanksgiving. And I got a text like right before I got here that was like, would you mind if we talked later? And so I don't know. So no, I do know. I know what this is going to be. We're ending this situation. and that's fine. But I was in a very, as I was like coming up the elevator, I was like, okay, get out of that mindset because you need to, you better be in a better place.

And then you sat down and we started talking about secretions and secretions. And yeah, so that, but that right before this. I hope this cheered you up or low. No, 100%. Like I, there was a conscious moment halfway through this where I was like, oh, great, I wasn't even thinking about that. I feel good. But that did raise my blood pressure right before I got here. Understandable. What is the smallest bone in your body, medical trivia. I'm gonna, can you, can you tell me if I'm a hot or cold? Because I'm gonna guess it's actually not something in your hands or your feet. Correct.

Because those seem too easy. It is something. It's the, it's in your neck. Is that your, and it's at the very top of it. And it's your, nose it's your nose and axis and no it's not that no it's not that no it's not that um okay wait your teeth no those are those aren't well wait i know that's why i was saying that um there it's it's in your knee elbow in your knee let's see how long you can guess before you get the body

part that it's this is great okay wait really yeah okay this isn't meant to make you look bad this is a question that no one knows the answer to really i don't care that i don't know this right now actually oh god that sounded so rude why i just but it's not something i've ever studied that's what i'm saying yeah so it's not supposed to it's not your hands is not common knowledge it is a but your knee no no not knee not like not neck face no so stomach chest no what i've named all of them no wait your soul yes yes yes no right It's in your ear. In your ear?

That was what I was going to say next. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Where is it? In your ear. But where in your ear? Inner ear.

Oh. Yeah. It's like. It vibrates in there. That was probably way too complicated for what it needed to be. Have you ever almost died? Like, truly almost died. I don't think so.

I don't think so. Good. I'm gonna, yeah, I was a, I was a pretty crazy 17 to 19 year old, like with like, you know, the substances and all of those things. And so there was probably times I got pretty close, but I won't remember them. Okay. Yeah. I'm glad you didn't die and I'm glad you came today. I'm so glad. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Did you have fun? I had so much fun. Was it different than you would have expected? Um, yes, because I feel like we, we really got into the, um, it was, you know, we analyzed. But I still made you laugh, which is all I care about. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right, well, I'm happy you have fun. Thank you.

Where do you want folks to find you? Well, they should check out Flight Fuel, if they haven't yet. Yes. Flight Fuel Coffee.com. But also, I'm on TikTok as Chris, just at Chris. C-H-R-I-S. Because there are other ways to spell it, apparently. And I'm on Instagram at Chris Olson and on YouTube, Chris Olson.

Did you also see the drama that you and I have? on TikTok not too long ago. Yes, because you said on my way to dinner with Chris, which was Hemsworth, haven't heard of him. And a lot of people thought it was me. Yeah, that was cute. But here we are now. Yeah.

So you have to make it, we have to make something. I'll invite Chris Hemsworth next time we hang out. Oh, okay. That would be insane. Sure. Yeah. Great. I know Chris pretty well, though.

So that's what I'm saying. Yeah. You know, you and Megan and Chris always hanging out. Yes. Often in Australia. he is Australia he is right right right accent great accent cool and on that note thank you thank you this is great