The Checkup with Doctor Mike - Warning Harry Jowsey About His Steroid Use (TRT)

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

Watch the full video interview with Harry Jowsey here: https://go.doctormikemedia.com/youtube/HarryJowseyVOD Follow Harry on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/harryjowsey/ Executive Producer and Host: Doctor Mike Varshavski Produced by Dan Owens and Sam Bowers Art by Caroline Weigum

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That when that moment, when that stuff happened, and it all came crashing down, dude, I ran away. Like, there was, there was a moment where, like, I remember walking around the streets. And I texted my manager. I was like, dude, like, I don't know. Like, I'm not doing okay. Harry exploded onto the scene of mainstream media in the spring of 2020, when millions of viewers sheltering in place turned to Netflix

and became hooked on too hot to handle. A reality show where contestants must remain celibate for as long as popular. in their hopes of winning their share of a hundred grand. As you can imagine, Harry is a ball of energy and charisma, bringing his huge personality and huge frame, six foot five, whoa. Into every room he goes. Today, he brings his personality, height,

and some medical curiosity to the checkup, where we discussed his testosterone use for bigger muscles. Also, content warning, this episode does contain discussion of suicide, which has unfortunately touched Harry's life multiple times throughout it. This is a wide-ranging and fascinating conversation covering some serious and lighthearted topics.

And with that being said, I began our conversation with a question about dating shows I've always wanted to task. How real are your relationships on reality TV? Because this is something I've been so curious about. Yeah. Okay. So you have to like take everything that you know about dating, right?

And then put yourself in an environment where there's like no outside like influence whatsoever. But isn't the camera being in the room already an outside influence? But within like three days. you forget about it. No way. Like you, so what, this is the, this is why it fucks out people a lot with like reality shows is because like mentally you don't have your friends, family.

Everyone's a stranger. It's a competition. People have to get you. And you're told you have to find love. So like your brain, your psyche is just like, okay, like this is my mission. And then it becomes your entire world. So a lot of people get like really like. Fully brainwashed.

Like it's really crazy. Yeah. So then when you're on these shows and like, you fall in love like the love is like so hard you're like wow i can imagine everything with this person then you get back home and you're like real and you're like oh you're actually a hooker no no no no but not like it's not that bad well you know sometimes yeah it happens uh but like oh you like oh shit okay like damn i have to like other guys are trying to hook up like it's you're not as it's not as pure love as as you thought it was so that's why it's situational because

here what you're feeling is not practical. And I'm going to make a corny analogy here. You know, all of these people that go on podcast and they're like, you need to spend two minutes in a cold water immersion or you need to walk this many steps or run this protocol, that's dating on a dating show. Right. And then the advice I give, like in my patient world, is like what happens in real life. Yeah.

Versus the dating show. Yeah. Because it's different, right? It's fictional. Yeah. And it's not fictional, like, you're being fake. It's just the circumstances, make it fictional. Yeah.

So do you find it hard to date in real life now that you've had this fictional scenario? See, I've done like three of them. Yeah. So like, I kind of just like, I don't know, I'm a lover. So I'll give it what it's worth. And then when I come back to real life, I'm just like, okay, like waiting for your true colors. Like, oh, I get to meet your friends. Okay.

So this is the type of people we hang out with. So are you skeptical going in now? A little bit. bit like yes you kind of have to be like have your guards up a little bit but it's also like life's way too short like who cares like let's just like have fun but then when it comes out like this why not like people don't really last because the show comes out there's all this like attention and they don't like we didn't have the building blocks of like starting a relationship like that was one of the things with a previous partner i was like i told him like hey like we've we haven't had

the building blocks of like friendship and like building up from there and having that trust. We just went straight in like, let's get married, have kids and like whatever happens are going to figure it out. And then all these like fundamental steps of building a healthy relationship were just fully gone and then it just like crumbled. So I think that kind of happens on these shows. That makes sense.

I mean, anything that ignites that fast has the ability to also down stuff on. Especially if I'm in it. Why? Are you the problem? Of course. Taylor Swift, you're the problem? I am. Yeah.

Yeah. If being Taylor dated, there'd be like 50 albums. Why are you the problem? No, I just think I'm just too playful. But playful could be good. Sometimes, but sometimes people want to be a little bit serious. And I'm like, come on. Oh, so you want to keep things casual?

Well, yes and no. Like, you know, in the previous, like my last relationship, I was like, this is the one. I'm going to get married, whatever else. And then like, I don't know, just get a little bit bored or whatever, or she did. And then whatever. That happens. I feel like dating on its own these days is hard with social media being a thing. And then you throw reality TV into it.

And then if you get an offer. I can't imagine, you know, in my world in media, it's like, what if you get a TV show that's medically thing that you have to travel to world or in Florida or in California? You're like, that would be tough on a relationship. But for you, you might get a show to go date. Yeah. Then what do you do? Do you just say? Well, like, that's the problem is like, whatever I'm in a relationship, there's like no show opportunities, right? And then as soon as it's like single, they're like, boom, they come flooding in. And, like, I'm flooding it. I'm like, what am I doing in a relationship?

Like, I have all these, like, work opportunities that are really cool. Like, when I broke up with my ex, that week, I had three show opportunities. No way. Like, like, it was like the universe is like, here you go. But it was, they were like competition shows, like fun shows, like not dating stuff. Because I said, like, I'm going to steer away from it. Unless the bachelor was like, hey, like, we want you to be the bachelor. Would you do the bachelor?

For sure. Really? For sure. I've heard some horror stories from guys that have done it before. Yeah, I've heard bad things. Like, I've heard, you know, just about how stressful it is. and whatever else and sometimes it's a little bit like force and what but I'm like I've done a bunch of shows like I understand how it works and like they're there to get a job done and especially with

that one like people legitimately want to get married and I think like now my whole outlook is like I'm dating and marry like if I'm going to date you like I'm doing it because I want everything with you do you believe in a monogamous single partner relationship yes but I also believe that maybe there's some like situations like 20 years down the line where you're like things are like things are stagnant like i've been a relationship where um she was already faking my friends so i so i was like without you knowing well like he told me so i was your friend or your girlfriend my god friend he's like yeah i just hooked up with your girl i was like oh sweet are you laughing through the pain right of course okay yeah no but this is so long ago okay but like

for me in that situation i remember my mentality was i really love this girl i think she's awesome but we're in different countries right now and obviously she needs that aspect kind of tickled. You know, she wants, she needs a physical touch. I also need that. So it's either like we both cheat but still love each other or we just open it up. And I tried to tell us like, hey, look, like obviously I know what you're up to. I want to be a naughty boy as well. Can we both do it and it's okay?

And then she's like, no, I couldn't imagine you sleeping with other people. I'm like, well, you fuck are my boys. Like, what are you going to do? So we broke up. I think that's the communication aspect of it is. probably the most important. Yeah, what about you? What would you believe?

So for me, when I was growing up, I always believed the monogamy is the one way. I was like, maybe I watched friends too often. Did you watch that show? I haven't watched it religious thing. Okay, I watched it religiously. So the nerdy guy on the show, Ross, I imagined him, I was him,

and I would lose Rachel to somebody. Oh, no. And I believed in that. Yeah. And I'm not saying I don't believe in it anymore. But I think times have gotten different in terms of what people want, how dating apps have changed it so now i'm confused yeah i don't know what the right answer no i'm the

same and i think that like look if it's the one and it's everything and it makes sense it makes sense but but what is the one okay so this is this is you have a formula oh no i didn't like i i i spoke to all my friends that are like heavily in love and like this is a girl my dreams like because i you know just got out of relationship so i was like hey like what was i missing something like i know the feeling of love and how they were explaining it was It's just, actually, I forget how they explain it. But it was good. It's the point where I was, like, damn, I'm going to cry.

Like, this is so beautiful. Like, this is crazy. I'm like, would you imagine her with anyone else? Like, no, I would fucking murder someone who hooked up with my girl. So I was like, okay, like, that's pretty aggressive, but I get it. But I don't know. I just think that, yeah, there, fuck, I wish I could explain. I wish I could remember it, but there's so many, no, there's, I hear, I, I don't know.

I feel like when I watch people who are in love, a lot of times it might be lust where it might be like really early on and I'm like I'm curious how long this will go I hope that it goes on forever yeah and then a lot of times it doesn't yeah or you hear cheating or open relationship starting and I'm like well that's different than how it initially started so maybe it grew and this is acceptable for the both parties and really it's about what both people want well did you see what happened with Adam 22 recently that's probably oh yes yes okay cool I was like I feel like you're probably way too wholesome to be on that side of the internet I'm on everywhere Okay, cool. I have to be involved because my patients can bring up anything at any of the moment. Oh, true. So you. Sounds familiar. But yeah, all that stuff. Like, he's getting like torn apart online. But in my head, I'm like, look, like, they do a lot of threesomes with other girls, like him and his wife. And she wanted to venture out. And, you know, she did, like, she's obviously in sex work. So she wanted to work with another male. And I'm sure it's going to make the millions of dollars with the amount of like press that's come out about it. But all these people are like leaning into it too. Yeah. I see him. replying to stuff. Yeah, he's doing it. He's making people out. Of course, which is really smart, but financially. Financially, it's so smart. But I was sitting there and all these people are like, kind of clown on him and getting like aggressive. I'm just like, dude, like, people are into different shit. Like I, if it was my wife, I don't know if I, like, this situation

is obviously they have a very, like, crazy situation. Like, it's not normal. You know, they're both in sex work and they're both like hook it up with a bunch of people all the time. It's unusual. Yeah, it's unusual. So I was sitting there and I'm like, all these people just like have a closed mind so i for me like maybe monogamy uh is old fashioned or whatever but i feel like with the right person it would just be that conversation just keeping that open mind yeah it sounds beautiful but practically speaking i don't know what to do to find it and i actually had this conversation with who was i talking to uh darrell sabara yeah megan trainer's husband well and how they met he goes i right away knew she was the one and i was like man if i walked into a room and i saw

someone who I thought was the one. I couldn't even begin to be myself because all I would be doing is worried that I'm not giving my best self. But that's also not the real me. Yeah. If you're going above and beyond. Yeah. So it's like how can you maintain being yourself and being honest, but still show up the best version. It's hard. Because even when my dad was talking about when he's when he met my mom, he's like, yeah, I turned to my friends. I said, I'm going to marry that woman. I'm like, how you're like how you're so confident, dude? Yeah. Like how do you? It's the good. It's the goodwill hunting line. Do you see a goodwill hunting? It's so long ago.

Oh, where Robert Williams says I had to see about a girl and he slid the tickets back to his friends. Oh, yes. Because he ran into his wife at a bar. And I'm like, it's going to happen. Well, I thought you would be married and like, why? Because I have a medical career. Yeah. No, that's not how it works. I wish. I thought that that's what happens when you become a doctor. You get married and like have the woman your dreams. Some people do. Okay. I'm trying. Okay. But it's like, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. You got to look. And it's, it's hard. It's hard. It's for life. Like, I don't want to do it willy-nilly casually and just say, oh, I'm getting married to

get married. I want to make sure it's the right person. See, I'm the opposite. I just get married and get married. You're like, I know there's an out. Yeah, the lady I saw woken up here. I'll marry her. No. It's actually hip. Sam, you almost got married. Yeah, almost. But it's tough. I mean, and again, the dating life online. How's that changed, by the way? I mean, obviously, you're DMs are obviously lit yes like so with the show came out when taught to handle came out like it was COVID you know shit was getting crazy and I didn't really know how to deal with it all so I was just being enjoying the fruit of the labor enjoying yeah enjoying as much as I could and then now like after having love and being in a relationship for like a year I was like oh man like that feeling and having

that person is like I don't know I was like love is the meaning of life you know like having that person and waking up every day like what can I do to make you your day better like okay i'll get your coffee there's flowers there like what how can i help like to make her day like the best for me i'm like that's the best feeling like giving your energy to someone and then once i got single again and um you know i started seeing like a few like repeat offenders from before and i was just like god like this sucks like this is draining it's lonely a little bit it's so lonely like i was like i'm like you know i'm looking for this feeling and i want to have this feeling again but i'm just like dude like i don't

care enough. So now I tell people like, oh, no, I'm only dating and marry because that scares off people. Like, that just scares off girls that are just like... I thought it would be the other way. Well, in L.A. Because guys used to weaponize that. Yeah. See, I, for me, like, in L.A., I think that, like, you know, everyone just wants to hook up and have fun and whatever else. But when you tell someone like, no, no, I'm so sorry. Like, I don't want to do that. Like, I just, I'm so serious about who I give my energy to and who I, like, bring into my world because I want to make sure that they're like the right person. It's kind of just like, okay, dude, like, you're nuts. No, but that's smart. Yeah. Because actually, what scientific research has shown us,

and I just had a doctor who is doing the longest running study of happiness. Oh, I thought he was running. I'm like, dude. No, no, no, no. He's literally having, it's like a hundred year study on happiness. He's studied already multiple generations of the same people, like the same family continued. Yeah, it's an amazing thing. Who's paying for that? Harvard. Okay. Oh, okay. So that's why. Unlimited budget. Yeah, I was like, who is, like, who has fun this? Yeah, cool.

Exactly. Yeah. And they found that it's not so much about, like, yes, happy marriages yield better mental health outcomes. For sure. People who have chronic pain don't feel as much pain, even when they're having pain, when they have a good marriage. Wow.

But it's not even so much about a good marriage. It's about having a person to call on in the middle of the night. Yeah. And I feel like that's what we're starting to learn as a society. And people are opening up. up their thoughts of who they want to be with with a partner, whether or not they want a wife or a husband, whether they can just have a friend who can be there for them. And really it's about having that support system because it's lonely otherwise. So lonely. And also someone that

you can like, I don't know, like a best friend. To grow with. Yeah, exactly. Like build something fun. Like that's why I was so excited in my last relationship. I had like an album where we were going to get married and we had a house, had rings, had like a car wanted to get us and like all this stuff. I'm like looking at beehives that I want to buy when I get a house. you like bees well yeah not really but like i like the bee movie but there's a bee movie yeah okay that's like a disney movie but like i had a beehive growing up okay with like we had two with my dad i remember we used to we used to bee keve and it uh made my nuca honey right because you're from new zeal yeah so good so good so we used to do that like growing up like and then i was like

if i have a kid that would be sick and there's this new uh beehive that is literally like a tap you turn it on the honey came come straight out because so with the hives you have to like pull out these little slots and put them in a machine and like spin them around and the honey sticks to the wall as barrel and then it leaks down it goes in this thing wow okay so it's a process but with this new like beehive it just processes you just turn on the tap comes out and you don't have to disturb the bees I'm like this is sick I want to have a kid and and do that with the kid yeah that's it and then get rid of the kid well no go away no you come back and enjoy the kid yeah okay um I think that growth aspect is

probably what's special. Like when you would have successes, whether it's on television, on social media, you get nominated for something or you get a big financial reward. Yeah. Isn't it not as fun when you don't have a partner? Dude. That's how I felt that. No. So I got a Uris. And when I got it, like I was, you know, a bit of, me and my, me and my girl were in a bit of a breakup at that time. So I was so excited to get it and to like have her there and my friends there. Like, like this is a cool moment like a milestone but like because everything like it just we weren't working out at that point it was kind of just like damn like now I'm just sitting in this really

cool car by myself when I wanted to like get it for us and like show us off and I think that's also like the best thing about being in a relationship as well is like having just share wins together and feel like you know we're accomplishing something together which is you know so special very true I actually heard a great quote on comedians and cars getting coffee with Jerry Seinfeld and I think Chris Rock, they were like in a really cheap car together and they're like, we can have fun in anything. Yeah. Like if it's true, the connection, you could be laughing about how shitty the car is or how

awesome the car is and it's equally as a good time. Yeah. And I'm sure you have friends like that that you can have a blast with, right? Yeah. And my friends are sausages. Like they're just crazy. But it was like more like the milestone, you know, because I was waiting for it for 14 months. I'm like, oh, I want to share this moment.

Great car, by the way. So much fun. I had the car just got rid of it. Really? I got a Bronco Raptor. Sick. Well, that's like more fun off-roady type of. Well, that's the thing.

As soon as, so I went and filmed this show. I was filming an amazing race recently. And once I got back, I was like, I just want a truck. Like, I just want to be in a truck. So I kind of, I think I'm like done that. Like I came back, I cleared out all my designer clothes, re-evaluated my life. I'm like, I don't need these like shirts and these like Dior shoes. Like for what?

Like, who am I trying to impress? Oh, no, I have Dior shoes on. You do? Right now. Oh, shit. No, but like, I had, I'm going to take them off. No, I had like 110 pieces. Like this dude that came in.

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Okay. And it's obviously black, but like a plain tea. I'm sure. So I was just like, okay, I need to like reevaluate everything and take a step. I don't know where I got with that. Well, no, that you needed to clear out the access. I want to ask you a question. Yeah. So on the way over I was thinking about like obviously people will probably ask you all the time. Like how do I live longer or whatever else? What's some day to day hacks that you do to improve your quality. life. I'm the world's most boring doctor because I don't give hacks. Are you don't give hacks? Because hacks are bullshit. Oh, okay. Damn. Damn. I thought you'd be like... And I'm the guy that says like, don't take supplements for no reason. Oh, that's what I do. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm pushing people away from these things. I know. Come on. I thought you would have been like, yeah, Harry, go lay out of the sun and tan your balls and you'll feel great for the rain. Imagine I could make money if I did. Lie. Start lying.

No, but I'm showing that you could be financially successful and not. Now, I'm showing that you could be financially successful. and not lie. Oh, shit. Because every doctor that's been successful in media when I was growing up lied about something. Or they would make up some, like, BS, like, oh, how your zodiac sign impacts your heart health. How does it? It doesn't. Damn.

No, there's just like so much we don't know. Yeah. When we start acting like we have complete control over everything because we can control one number or how much time we spend in a cold plunge or tanning our balls or whatever it is. It's not realistic. I actually do both at the same time. That's impressive. You must be really flexible.

Yeah, well, my ball's shrink in the cold bludge, but I lay up and then you go down. Okay. Yeah, so I try to warm them up. Not medically necessary, but you know, to each their own. It might work. Well, no, here's, I don't discourage people from doing these things. If they want to do them for entertainment purposes, go nuts.

Wait, so you don't like cold plungers? I don't think it's necessary for good health. Okay. Why? Because there's no evidence showing it's necessary for good health. Okay. So in the medical media world, there's all these people that are promising you hyper optimization right oh if you just do this you

can make your body so much stronger and faster and all this and most of it is based on junk science that's not very well proven okay or it's reserved for people who are pro athletes that need to go from 99% to 99.9. Okay like me. We are the pro athletes yeah by the way when are you boxing something oh bro I've had office but I don't know who do you want to box? God dream opponent um I would really like want to do like a rapper or like someone like a who like a rapper or like someone like you know okay this is the scariest thing this is going to sound crazy when I went back to Australia like last year I went on a and did an interview where they're like oh they asked me that question like who would you want a box because I you know

I was I've been thinking about it for a little bit I'm like oh to be honest I would want to fight like an Australian celebrity but for do it for charity back home okay because mental health is such a big problem back in Australia I think we have the highest suicide rate per capita Australia in New Zealand is like really it's so high wow um so I wanted to go back and be like yeah I want to do this for like a charity for a good cause and fight like and I said Chris Hemsworth because obviously he's the biggest dude out of Australia ever and he's juice of the gills he's huge I was like yeah I would love the box him and then do something really cool and be like you I'd be like, yeah, we broke them the most money ever raised for charity.

Sure. So I said that. And then that night, I'm at this bar and they look over and he's there with like four friends. No. I don't think he, he probably didn't know, but like, I, bro, I started shaking. I was like, oh, you guys are the same size. I just sat next to them at a luncheon the other day.

You guys are almost the same size. You should have told him, Harry's going to smash you. No, I wouldn't. Would you still do it now? Yeah, of course. Okay. For charity. For charity.

I like what you did as well. Like you donated your purse and stuff. Are you going to box again? Yeah. You are? Yeah. They actually offered me to fight on the undercard of this Nate Diaz fight. Really?

To do a rematch with the same guy. But they told me with like six weeks to go and it wasn't enough time to get ready. Yeah. So what would you do different? I have a new coach. I have a new strategy. Okay. And yeah.

But medically, though, what about your brain? Like, are you worried? Yes. Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, if you're not worried, you're doing something wrong. That's me. I'm never worried.

You have to be worried. I'll be worried about you in a boxing room for you because you're not worried. I'll knock myself out. I've seen that happen actually. Some people throw it up or cut. Yeah, that's me. But you got to be careful. Yeah.

Have you trained by? I saw you put up some like videos of you. Yeah. So I've been like on and off for like the last like maybe three or four years, but not enough to be like, oh yeah. Have you sparred? Yes. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Three minute rounds? No. No, I got gas out. Just three minutes. I'm like quick. I'm like, guys, please.

Okay. How did you feel? doing it. I feel like so the gym that I train at is Fortune's gym in Melrose and there's a lot of like pros there and because like they wanted to get me ready for like a fight they'll put him up with some pros. So it was a little bit

scary. Sure. Like I'm not like I wasn't leaving there like confident like oh shit like you know I'm to be the next Mike Tyson like whatever else but it's like I feel like as a man like you kind of need to be punched a little bit sometimes and like it helps you like I don't know snap to reality a little bit because maybe your anxiety

he's like letting you think in the future or the past and like it really forces you to be in the present be present yeah and it makes you sharp so i enjoy it but i haven't like i haven't i don't train there's not like a crazy like boxing routine i'm like yeah in the morning i'm here every single day and then i go for a 10 mile run and then i go like shadow box with some pigeons or something like i don't like mike tyson does it does he yeah he has pigeons that was a great guess yeah um but who knows bro like i don't know so it might happen but you need the reason we you and i actually started talking i messaged you first about boxing You did.

Because I was like, oh, maybe you're like a tall guy. And I was like, wow, you're way too tall and way too big to be in my weight class. But you're too nice. What do you mean? I took shit. I would be a piece of shit. That's good. No, but the last guy talked shit too against me.

He like shoved me at the way in. Well, he's Nate Diaz's born. I did see that. I did see that. So like, there was some. How do you not let that get in your head, though? Or did it fuck with you a little bit? People die in front of me.

So like, he thinks I'm scared of a shove. Shit. Okay. Like, there's life and death all the time in front of me. Right. So, like, what's a little boxing match? Yeah, what's the little box? Yeah, true.

See, I'm a pussy. I would be like, dude, like, like, I just want to make you laugh. No, I will say the difference, because I fought an influencer on my first event and then I fought a pro who's had like 20 fights. You did pretty well in the first one, yeah? Yeah. I mean, influencer boxing is different than fighting someone who has 25 fights. Yeah.

Why did you do that? Well, because I really wanted to see if I was full of shit or not. Okay. Because like, well, you held up. Yeah. Well, I mean, I didn't get knocked out. I lost on the judge's scorecards, but it was cool to see what the real thing is about.

Okay. Where the other guy is not trying to take it easy on you. This isn't for show. This is his job. This is how he eats. Yeah. So you're in the way of his next meal. Right.

So he's trying to show you up. And the fact that I was being able to do. Should he just bought him dinner. Like, brother, we don't need to do all this. Pay you off, right here. Take it easy on it. He went in. Would you fight an influence again or you want to go down there?

Oh, no. I'll do it. I thought you said you want to. wanted to go pro yeah well that was a pro fight that was that was yeah that was showtime pay-per-view yeah wow legit pro so you want to go down that route again yeah i can't go all being oh and one as a pro fighter i would i want to be one i would be like yeah oh no you're like you got beat up you yeah i'll be like whatever and a lot of what boxing is is mental health and you mentioned mental health when you're talking about australia why is that important to you so the reason why i got in this

industry and in entertainment and all that stuff when i was at university uh we lost my brother's best friend to suicide wow that's guy hamish he was you know again it's like everyone is who is dealing with something it's just like the happiest guy you never would have picked it was him so that like that pivoted me i was at university um and i was like man man i'm just i'm not happy like i don't get it and my friends aren't happy what do i do so it was literally like that day that my friend Helen tags me on a thing on Facebook to like apply for like a dating show. So I did it. I applied.

I was just like, yeah, maybe this is a chance to just make people laugh. Like I want to make my friends laugh. So I went on this dating show. I ended up the first time I ever manifested something. I don't know if you believe in that juju stuff. But I manifested that I won it. And then I came back and I was kind of funny. Yesterday I had a memory of my speech on there talking about like mental health.

And like because on the show I had an argument with the girl that I was dating then. and I left the room and I came back right away and I was just like okay it actually doesn't matter she's like what why like what changed and I said to it was like look dude like this argument isn't going to matter in six months so like I'm happy to just say like let's just move on I'm sorry and and I just want to go back to being happy and I still have the photo save I was crying because the amount of responses that I got like hey I actually really needed to hear this today like thank you so much and that was what filled my cup and I was member sitting at home after that first show came out because it was only small it was only in new zealand um seeing at home i'm like damn

i just want to do this again like i want to so i went on the show and i was being an idiot i was being crazy but i had those serious moments where i got to let people see like the real side of me and then after that i just started applying for every single show and i ended up on toward the handle and obviously that was on a bigger scale and got to make more people laugh and now i get to do it every day as my job would like be an influencer but then from that we've lost two more people to suicide so meredith is my best friend's mom uh she was like one of the the people that has raised me like she was best friends with my mom i remember i used to play rugby with me and rody and she would pick us up it's like she was the best person ever on the planet so we lost her and then um a couple months after that

we lost tveda who was my best friend from the first show and that's what really like pivoted me i'm like dude like and that was partying i was going out and whatever else and i was like like i just want to uh like i just i'm getting lost on my on my track to make people happy and make my friends laugh like again i you know i say all the time like you can always check in people but you can't it's hard to check on everyone every day but for me like my goal is like i want to just give people that chance to laugh and whether it's like 10 minute or a 30 second TikTok or whatever where people just say, okay, like, ha-ha, I get distracted from their life.

That's, for me, it's been the whole goal, is just to entertain. So when I just did this recent show, Amazing Race, it was all for charity. So it was really exciting. And I got to represent those guys and try and do something good. But yeah, for me, it's just, I don't even know that the question was. I was just rambling. No, it's, sorry. It's, why is mental health important to you is how we started?

It's very clear that it's impacted you. Yeah. Because people around you have really succumbed to mental health issues. Yeah. And it's like the, and the worst thing was it's such a, everyone has a story with it. And everyone is like either lost someone or has gone through something themselves. And that's the scary thing is, you know, even, even most recently, there was a few dark days where I was like, damn, like what the fuck is going on? Like, what am I doing?

Like, just really in my head. But I've been like a therapy and everything's been like amazing. but it's helped me understand kind of the highs and lows of everything and be able to better represent to my audience. Like, okay, like if you're feeling this type of way, this is something that helps me get through it. And it isn't being in an ice bath with your balls out. But sunlight.

Well, that's real life, right? Yeah. Because it's easy to sell a shortcut. Yeah. But it's harder to sell going to therapy. Yeah. But what works? Yeah.

Being with your balls out or going to putting the work in a good therapy? Yeah. So that's what I run into all the time being a doctor. Like, do I want to say the real thing or do I want to say the sexy thing that will make some money? I'll say the sexy thing that makes some money. No, you're going to tell the real thing. Because I think what you said about refilling your cup is really important. Being in service to others is something that traditionally brings people a lot of happiness.

And it's a level of extrinsic happiness that is, or rather intrinsic happiness. Yeah. because extrinsic is like the cars, the money, the things that don't really last, you constantly want something better. But the fulfilling thing of helping another person or helping them get through a dark time or helping them laugh. That's the stuff that lasts. Is that what got you into being a doctor or you just be like, I'm so smart? I should do this. Not at all. I like helping people, obviously. And that's kind of the cheesy answer that everyone gives in medical school interviews. But for me, I really enjoyed learning about the body,

teaching about the body I watched my dad go through medical school so like I saw the whole process where most people are really young when their parents are going through med school so I really fell in love with the field I thought this was really good fit for me for my skill set for what I was curious about

it matched really well and yeah I think medicine is a special place where you can truly help others but now with the advent of social media you can also have fun make entertaining talk about some balls how the fuck do you balance all this shit like what I mean it's like whatever

you figure it out it's not whatever bro like i mean you have to have a schedule i have a team that helps me yeah but i see your stories you're like posting you're actually like in you know yeah i work like three days a week which is crazy because i'm like dude like like you can it's a lot of stuff but remember what you said about refilling your cup because i'm constantly doing things that are unique and getting me inspired and excited i'm refilling my cup each day even though by the end of the day is an empty cup yeah but then the next day it refills real nice so like what gets you like inspired or like fired up is it being in there and helping people yeah because obviously like you say you watch people die so that's that's that's that's got to

really take a toll it takes a toll but then being there for the people around them refills the cup okay because when one person goes there's someone else around that's impacted even if it's not the family it could be the nurse in the room that was there when you were doing chest compressions and having the conversation learning from something about it makes it a worthwhile endeavor. Like, it really is like an eye-opening experience. And that's why I really don't want to corrupt the medical field with the tanning your balls thing. Because, man, dude, life is precious.

No, because, dude, what's on TikTok, right? Yeah. It's the cold plunges. It's like, this is the hack. And don't get me wrong. I've made hack videos before that there's little things intermittent fasting and stuff that I like doing. For sure. Life is, like, hard and there's challenges. I'm curious why you think in Australia there is such a mental health crisis.

Is it that they don't talk about it enough? Yeah. So for us, and it's kind of the first thing that I noticed coming to America is like you tell someone about your dream or like what you want to do, especially in L.A., someone's like, oh, yeah, I know someone who can help. But in Australia, there's this like mentality of, oh, yeah, just have a spoonful of cement and harden up. And a lot of like guys just like don't talk about it.

Really? yeah so it's more so in australia yeah it's for some reason it's maybe i don't i don't get it but i think we're evolving through it especially after just seeing one of my friends there and you know we cried together like he's six three and he's like a huge man yeah six three people cry yeah that's i was surprised i'm like dude like what like you can cry yeah i'm upset um but like talking to each other and like helping each other through that type of stuff but yeah it's it's really strange so it's called tall poppy syndrome have you heard of this the easiest analogy is like crabs in a bucket have you do you know that with that okay these are all new analogies i'm learning to so so pretty much back home

in australia if if you put crabs in a bucket if one tries to get out a crab will pull it down and pull it back down really yeah so what that's why i say when you tell someone your dream here they want to help in australia if you tell someone your dream and again this is because i'm Australian and where I grew up a very small town tell someone your dream they kind of just like okay like best of luck like it's not there's no support there or if you I'm surprised you have such an optimistic view of the states well maybe because I'm a foreigner and I just come and get my dick out and have a good time it sounds like it maybe because I feel like this is a doggy dog world here too and true yeah maybe I just see the good in everyone but like in Australia well it's maybe it's

because it's a small town, but it's more in the sense of, like, people, obviously, we're all there for each other. Like, I love Australia. I love it, the bits. It's the best place on the planet. And when I have kids and a family, I want to go back there. But there is this weird culture where we don't talk to each other and we don't like check in. And we have, there's one day of the year called, Are You Okay? Where we force each other like, hey, are you okay? Like, we've forced the conversation. That's better than Valentine's stuff. Such a big thing back in Australia. Like, we lose so many people, um, especially men it's huge we lose so many young men um which is so scary and that's also why i'm so passionate

to be like okay like i want to make people laugh like i don't care if you're laughing at me or with me but like the goal is to just get a giggle out of you um or at least change your thought like for the day so you're not like grumpy about something but yeah it's it's really like it's scary it is scary yeah that's really bad i mean men traditionally experienced depression in slightly different ways like when we learned about depression let's say as med students from the studies that were done in the 70s and 80s it was like you can't get out of bed you're really tired and that is how some people experience depression but then the machismo men you know the macho men they experience depression differently they want to abuse substances yeah they want to work so hard that they forget about their

family they forget and lose all focus and they just want to gamble and get high off the gambling so like someone may diagnose them with a substance use disorder or gambling disorder, but in reality, that's depression. Yeah. And they're covering their depression by doing these things. Wow. By having an addiction. So like men experience depression in a different way.

And until we are open about it and explain that this is a call for help and we need to actively treat this as depression, it's very easy for it to go either undiagnosed or misdiagnosed as something else. What about women? What's the difference with women? Well, that's why. And again, I think it's less of a gender thing. Right.

And more so about like feminine versus masculine ideologies or behaviors. Yeah. So when the research was initially done, it was people wanted to stay at home. They didn't want to get out of bed. They didn't want to put on makeup. They didn't want to shower. Okay. So traditionally back in the day, they used to say depression is the disease of women.

That's not true. Yeah. Like the same way that we've done the opposite with, with heart disease. Yeah. We used to say heart disease is only for men. And then all these women were having heart attacks and we were missing it in the ER because women experienced heart attacks differently than men and men experience depression differently than women. And we completely fuck this up. Women have different heart attacks? Yeah, they have different symptoms. What do you mean? So they have what's known as atypical symptoms. So what in your world is a typical symptom of a heart attack. Isn't it chest pain and then you get like pressure? Elephants sitting on your chest, right? This is what you hear. This is men describing the symptom. Okay. In research because women were not. not studied when we were studying heart attacks. I would study all the women if I could. Well, you would, yes. But we need to do it in medicine as well. Fuck, okay. Because women will sometimes

just have a little jaw pain, a little arm pain, a little indigestion. And they're having a heart attack, and we're missing it because we only say it has to be elephant sitting on your chest, shortness of breath, sweating, dizziness. It's that, it's that small for women? Yeah, it could be that small. And it gets missed. Wow. And then women get worse care. hospitals because of it because our research was done primarily on men and that's with heart attacks and then depression it kind of flips the other way so we need to do a better job when we comes to conducting our research to make sure it's inclusive of everybody wild yeah i did not know that i guess i probably don't think anyone did i mean that's why women a lot of times will

go to a hospital and be like oh she's just being dramatic terrible diagnosis yeah like you need to actually figure out what's wrong with people not right it off so this happens and the same way that happens, oh, toughen up, you're good. And then you see what happens, what happens in Australia. Yeah. So it's tough. Damn, bro. I'm learning so much.

Next up, Harry's going to broach a difficult subject. He tells me the details of a recent retreat he took to Costa Rica, where he took a psychedelic substance known as ayahuasca. Full disclosure, ayahuasca hasn't been fully studied in the U.S., which is why I don't really have much of an opinion on it. But I want that Harry to have the freedom to discuss his experience with it as it had a profound impact on him. I do not endorse the use of ayahuasca as a proven medical concept, but I do believe more research is definitely necessary. What are your thoughts with like ayahuasca?

Okay, yeah, tell me about your spiritual journey. Yeah. So, okay, so losing these two people, that was, I was like, what do I do? Like, I better go do some drugs. No. I hope that's no. I was, it was, it kind of all like flowed. Like, it all just like happened. And it was a couple years ago now but more in a sense like I just wanted answers like I wanted because when you lose someone of suicide like you don't get any answers you don't know why you don't know what you know like you just sit there sad like what could I've done different and you just have all these questions and it just runs through your head and you just get in this like sad momentum and I was I was there for a couple months I was just sitting there like what like what the like why can't

I just talk to them and I'd see like little signs or little things I'd just take it as them just reassuring me that it's like all good just trying to find like little things like keep me like on the rails but i went and did iwaska and that was like um just putting my brain in like the stratosphere like i the the first night we did it um it took me back to because we so it was a 10 day retreat and it wasn't like you know in a house here in la like it was in costa and there was very specific people there so you have to apply with this one company and this this lady beat cancer twice this one guy was worth like three billion this other dude owns an airport this other guy works at facebook like it was a really like interesting group of people

and each day you're doing like different character building exercises um and eating clean everything but there was three times that we did iwaska so the first night um it took me back to very specific memories with my brother and my dad and i just started crying like i was crying for like four hours like i was just laying there it wasn't like sad tears but it was just like damn like because at that point I didn't have a good relationship with my brother and my dad and I kind of resented them for things that happened within the family so I was I was staying I was staying away from them but it took me back to like being a kid and like running around and looking at my brother like damn like this is my best friend and then the beekeeping thing with my dad it was like snap

and we're pulling out honey from the beehive I'm like fuck like this is my dad like I love this man so much I remember just feeling that love and that passion and that's why I was crying I was this is so beautiful why did i let it go like why why am i so stubborn but then anyway so the next night is when i did four times the amount that i did the night before because i was like well i'm here i may as i may as well see what satin looks like like let's go to the let's go to the moon um and that was when i saw uh my my friends that i lost and and it was like a vivid dream because to explain it to people listening like i was like i could be sitting here my eyes open and talking to you like this and everything's fine but like

when you closure eyes and like you you're in like a meditative state is kind of when it comes on and then it feels like as real as like day like it feels you're like looking around whatever else but I saw my three friends and we just like hugged and like laughed and it gave me like so much closure like it and it was really weird because I just I went in there and my question to myself was what can I do like my whole purpose was what can I do to make more people laugh what can I do to make my friends happy and how can I ask my friends who have lost what I could could have done different and better to make their lives more fun. And so that was the whole like purpose of that experience was to try and like dig deep and figure out what what was kind of happening. But yeah, when I saw my

friends like Tevita, we were just laughing and hugging each other. We weren't talking. And then we were watching a memory of us like right down here. We're in the corner of the room and he's on the other side of the counter and I'm here and our best friend Christian's there they're dancing and laughing and carrying on and then we all go around like walked around in the hallway and we're just hugging and just saying that we love each other and just like laughing and then we went out and had a good night and I remember just looking at him in this you know trip and I was just like dude like I love you is everything okay and he's like yeah it's fine it's all good like just keep doing what you're doing and then speaking of my friend's mom and and then I have the friend Hamish and it just

it just gave me that like closure um which is which was difficult because you know i still think about them every single day but at least i whether it was real whether it was like you know harry was on a bunch of drugs or whether it was like there's some truth as iwaska it um helped me find peace in that and i think that was like the the most beautiful thing about it but yeah i just i don't know like that was my what was your therapist take on it when you said you were going to do it so i didn't have a therapist at that point since it was a couple years ago. It was over New Year's.

But I only got a therapist when my ex-girlfriend decided to start cheating on me. So I was like, okay, I should probably start to talk to someone because I'm a little bit upset. But you don't have to wait to get a therapist until something bad happens. So that was one of the, someone said on Snapchat to me. She said, it shouldn't be reactive. You should have it. I mean, it's okay if it is. But yeah, ideally.

Yeah. But apparently that's the best way to go about it is to have one just to talk to someone. Yeah. Which is great. Well, because we're all capable of a. rational thought. Yeah. And irrational thought doesn't mean it's wrong.

It just means it's not factually accurate in the moment. Like the example I give that's really easy to wrap your head around is if you always get A's or hundreds on your tests and then you get an 80, it's easy to label yourself a failure because you're like, oh, I didn't get a perfect grade. I'm a failure. But that's not factually accurate. Failures don't get hundreds on tests. So you have to change it and say, I didn't do great on this test, but I'm not a failure.

And just changing that thought and giving. the power back will take away some of that depth of the depression and anxiety and some of those symptoms will abate. It's not a cure-all. Yeah. You still feel sad. Yeah. It's okay to feel sad, especially if you lose a loved one or a family member, like grieving is normal.

Yeah. I can't tell you how many people come to see me thinking that they're depressed. They just lost a family member a week ago. Yeah. That's not what depression is. That's a normal human experience to feel sad. Yeah. So therapy is important.

And like I went to therapy and I needed it and I was very open about it on YouTube when I had to do. Yeah. Oh, really? what was that response like was it were people um right now a lot of people give credit to people for talking about therapy openly where if you did it like 20 years ago it was maybe even stigmatized more yeah so i think it's changed i think what i learned from therapy is everyone has different sort of learnings from therapy and my learning was unique in that i was trying to treat myself as a patient like over and over again really when it wasn't working

Wow. And I actually needed to stop. Wow. Which is so the opposite of what I thought would be the recommendation for my therapist. Yeah. I'm like, but I'm doing the cognitive behavioral therapy. I'm doing what I tell people to do. And she's like, you're doing it so much that you're reliving the same issue.

Holy shit. So you actually need to stop doing this shit. Wow. And you're reminding your, like, you keep telling, like, for example, if you were to say, is it good to share your troubles with your friends, good or bad? I think, yeah. Good, right? Yeah.

But I was doing this shit so much with so many people that I was just reliving it where actually the good thing became too much. Eating carrots is healthy. Yeah. But you eat a lot of them, you turn orange. Really? Yeah. Holy shit.

Beta carotene within carrots will turn you orange. You did that? Yeah. Damn, bro. I'm going to try you. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Right.

Next time you see you have to be so orange. And then I was the teakka, I'm like, yo, you want to see my carrot? My cockret. But you see how like too much of a. good thing can be a problem yeah so i was doing too much of the therapy how did you find a good therapist is probably it's a question i get asked a lot and i want to hear your answer i had a friend referral yeah from uh my brother's wife who's a therapist someone in her office she recommended nice she was good i mean i think friend referrals always the best is the best way to go yeah

but it the way that i tell people to think about a therapist is like it's dating your first meeting should be an evaluation what for both of you yeah they should be evaluated evaluating how to help and you should be evaluating whether or not you could connect with that person yeah because more so their degree what type of therapist they are what school they went to whether or not you connect is the most important factor if it's going to be successful yeah did you see all the um all the stuff going on with Jonah hill and his ex she was talking about his therapist yeah i saw something happened yeah what happened with oh so they broke up whatever else i'm not sure like the details but she was posting all their screenshots and what like she was

just whiling out on her instagram Obviously, I got sucked in the rabbit hole. I was like, this is crazy. Like, what's going on here? He was talking to a very, like, horribly. But the reason why I was touching on that is because she started posting links about his therapist being unethical because they obviously had a big Netflix show where they sat down and spoke about stuff.

The media world is so unnatural. It's so hard to, like, figure it out. Yeah, I was like, I don't know if it's true or not. But I thought maybe, oh, that's like an interesting way. But apparently it was because he, in his therapy sessions, he talks about himself. and apparently that's not okay. I don't know. I'm not a therapist,

so I'm not going to comment on it. I mean, I do introduction to therapy within my practice, so like that's something I do. But I think everything about media and social media is unnatural. Yeah.

Like, if you go into a room, you can feel whether or not you're upsetting someone because you're sitting in front of them. You see their emotions. You can read it. It's like a natural phenomenon. But when you're behind a screen

and there's a million people, none of that is natural. It's true. Yeah. Right? like we're not our bodies our minds are not adapt to this yeah so it's so easy to understand why someone who gets famous at age 16 has a lot of trouble growing up like i'm thinking of Justin Bieber somebody yeah that's really tough on people so for sure yeah totally unnatural like how did it feel

like i'm sure there was a moment when you were having success with your shows and people were hitting you up and it was fun where maybe you said something wrong or you did something wrong and people came down on you how did that feel bro so the first thing was when the show was coming out it was we're in COVID right it was so crazy that I started having like a because just we I was getting two million story views every single day and then the day I hit a million followers that day had two million followers so the growth was like insane because everyone was at home everyone was locked in it hit like 51 million households like there was so much buzz around it and it was such the biggest blessing but there was

one day I remember sitting on the couch and I got so red and flustered and I felt like my blood pressure and everything get up and I'm like what the is going on and my friend is like hey like you got to separate from your phone because it was just so overwhelming refreshing seeing this stuff I thought there was one photo I got a hundred thousand likes in 10 minutes like remember just seeing all this stuff but then when me and my ex from the show broke up and and she started she made this like YouTube video which was just completely untrue and just not very nice and then was in comments and saying all this stuff about me And then I started like losing followers for the first time.

I lost like 400,000 followers. And in that moment, I was like, wow, I must be such a horrible person. I must be so bad. And it made me like, I take it. I took it super personal. But all it was is, you know, we're not building an audience because like they grew with us and they love us and they want to be with us forever. We're building an audience because they just watch this on a show and the board.

They're at home. It's COVID. And they just want to like go wherever the drama is and like, you know, feed off that. which is fine because I do it as well. But in that moment, when that stuff happened and it all came crashing down, dude, I ran away. Like, there was a moment where, like, I remember walking around the streets. And I texted my manager.

I was like, dude, like, I don't know. Like, I'm not doing okay. Like, I'm really not, like, holding up. And thank God I had a beautiful friend group around me. Like, they took me to Arizona. We went to this place called Sedona. And my friend's mom is like a shaman. And I don't know.

She just, like, sat there and, like, help. me like think more spiritually a little bit higher up and like hey like this isn't kind of defines you like turn your phone off it actually doesn't matter anymore and that was like the biggest like power move as soon as just turn my phone off i'm like oh it's it's all gone like i'm alive like everyone around me loves me like i'm surely i'm not that that bad of person um but yeah it's just well that's what therapy is yeah remember what i said the irrational thought of i'm a failure you labeled yourself a bad person yeah look i don't even know what you did with your ex or whatever happened maybe you did a bad thing maybe you even did it but i'm just saying let's say you did a bad

thing you did a bad thing doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person that's like full on labeling everything around you or everyone hates me now if 400 000 people and followed you how many more millions still follow you or still do care but it's hard in that moment yeah and that's where like i mean i don't know shaman is what my first recommendation is what my first recommendation would be, but a mental health specialist would help you get to, what is the irrational thought that I'm a failure? No one likes me all that. What can we replace it with?

400,000 people didn't like what I did, but two million people are going to stand by me or my friends around me are going to stand by me. Just that will prevent that deep, deep hole that you were starting to go down because it's scary, man. It's like, have you ever been in trouble like that? The closest that's ever happened to me was during the pandemic. I went for a weekend in Florida and I was pictured on a boat without a mask because I was swimming. And I know it sounds funny, but like I lost a lot of business because of it.

Really? People started questioning my medical ethics, which are like- Because you went for a swim without a mask on? Yes. And like there was like a gathering of people. So they're like, you should have done it. No, look, to some degree, I have ownership of that because what happened was people would take my messaging from early on in the pandemic when we didn't know what was going on.

and I was telling people not to go out because we didn't know and hospitals in the city were terrible. We were all struggling in the healthcare setting. Then over the summer in New York, we learned like, okay, being outdoors is a safer place to be. If you're going to gather,

make sure you get tested. So I did all those things thinking I was good, not realizing that if someone takes that picture and weaponizes it, how much it can hurt the message. Right. So I messed up there. But it was a learning opportunity.

It was a dark place. How did you move through that mentally? Therapy. Therapy? Mm-hmm. Without therapy, I'd be screwed. Yeah. God, but it's so scary.

Look, we all define ourselves with certain values or like the way you see yourself as funny. I saw myself as like the doctor who gives people accurate information. And it felt like that struck a hole in that exact character that I built for myself, the trustworthy doctor. And I was like, damn, no one will see me the same way. And that was obviously to some degree in irrational thought. because it's hard in the moment though like when you're in the bubble the emotional reasoning kicks in that's why we all need therapy and the issue is also i've noticed whatever something's going

bad you're looking for those comments of course you're looking for the nasty one to be like okay it validates why i feel this way because i'm so sad i should be angry like one of my friends uh joey sasso he was he was yeah he's an awesome guy no way yeah i love joey he's the best but he so his show uh perfect match came out and i remember him calling me he's like dude i know you've been through some stuff with stuff online before what do i do and he he was having some girl troubles and i just said man like get off your phone because i know you're looking for those comments yeah he's like oh but but like what if she i'm like dude like it doesn't matter like turn your phone off like who cares like you're great you're a great dude like someone has a bad

idea of you you have to understand no everyone's going to like you like we're on reality tv we're in the perfect industry to be judged like we're going on the show not for for talent, not for skill, not for anything, but to be like, you know, these guys are dumb and hot and they're going to get, we're going to judge it. Like that's, that's it. Like, you're not singing, you're not acting, you're not doing anything. Like, we're just being judged. So, like, you have to understand that's what we're setting ourselves up for. So when you, when you're upset, stop looking for those comments and turn your phone off, like limit your screen time. I know it's hard. I've been there. And I think it helped him. Like he's, but he's the best.

Like, he's such a sweetheart. It's tempting to doom scroll. I do that sometimes. I can't myself, especially before going to sleep at night, which is the worst time to do it. Yeah. To go on Reddit or something and read some things. And I'm just like, damn. This is really healthy. I did that. One of my exes, her sister commented something like pretty rude and like just uncalled

for all my stuff. And I was like, oh, my God. Before bed, I was like, oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to expose this. I'm going to post about all this stuff. And then I remember sitting there. I'm like, why? Like, who cares?

Just block it. Like, block it. Oh, it doesn't matter anymore. I just block this person. It sucks, though. It really does suck because at the end of the day, you don't want to feed into it and start making a whole big deal about it and managing it feels, again, unnatural.

I used to judge myself where I would say, okay, I need to disconnect because I was going into these dark times. And I would say, wait, that means I'm not strong enough to handle this. Because I'm like, you have to go into there and read those negative comments because there might be a sliver of truth and you can get better from that. But at times when you're in a really dark place, No, disconnecting and hiding away from it is actually ideal. I actually, one of my friends yesterday, he was telling me about like,

there's like two men, or there's two people inside you, right? And they're always having a conversation about what's good and what's bad. And he was, you know, helping me with some stuff that I was like struggling with. And he was telling me there's a weak man, there's a strong man. And they're always having a conversation. So maybe if you look at like a bottle of alcohol, the weak man's going to be like whatever like who cares let's have a drink let's have fun but the strong man is like oh well tomorrow we have all these meetings and if you drink this it's going to be um like it's just

going to ruin your day tomorrow so he was explaining me like with the little things like that so i've been trying to practice turn my phone off before bed and and and try and stay away from it or if i see something i don't like stay away from my phone but the weak man wants to check it so i've started practice as of yesterday practicing having the conversation to the weaker a version of myself in my head and being like, okay, like, I understand, like, the better I can articulate it to that person, the weak man in my brain, the better I can articulate it to everyone else and also understand myself a little bit better. Maybe I'm going schizophrenic, but no, that's actually, but I think it helps.

No, having that type of conversation is very wise. It's very similar to journaling, which is very helpful with mental health strategies. But it's something I have some of my patients do. Oh, really? When they're judging themselves unfairly, like let's say they lost a family member and they're thinking like I should be able to focus at work and I'm viewing it objectively and I'm like no it's okay that you're sad because you just lost a close friend last week and that you can't focus as normal so I have them have a made up character Jimmy sit next to them and I'm like Jimmy here just lost his friend last week and he's really sad can't focus at work what would you tell him and they're like oh no Jimmy it's okay and I'm like why are you

saying that to Jimmy but not yourself damn this is why you're a good doctor he's good he's good ladies and gentlemen he's good but this is like a strategy because yeah we're oftentimes our worst critics or maybe we're not honest with ourselves at times even yeah because we're susceptible to that emotional reasoning which is why everyone needs a therapist everyone yeah because humans are just this is a natural predisposition and some people who have been successful a lot in their life never run into needing this for a long time and when it happens they're like shocked. Yeah. They're like, wait, I have emotions too. It's crazy. And trauma is like what you brought up in the past with your brother and your father. Like traumas from our past, we call them very scientifically

adverse childhood experiences. Different traumas can actually show up as physical ailments later in life. Really? Like I'll have patients come in with back pain, elbow pain, carpal tunnel symptoms, and it's happening as a result of mental health trauma they experience as a child. What? Yeah. How do you work through that then? Or how do you acknowledge that? Well, first, you have to be honest and do a proper workup and make sure it's not anatomical, right? Like, how do I jump to saying that it's a childhood trauma versus like a fracture?

I have to first rule it out. I have to do a proper history. I have to do a physical exam. There are signs that point to it. We have to get imaging to make sure there's nothing going on anatomically. Again, there's no tear. There's no broken bone to all that. And then you see if the patient is a problem.

open to it. You have to say, hey, I think that I've ruled out everything anatomically that could be wrong. And I'm thinking that this is real. You are feeling this. I'm not saying this is in your head. I'm saying the root cause is coming from something mental health related. Do you want to try and talk about that? And if they're open to it, we do it. And it works a lot. Wow. Wow. You'd be surprised because what our minds are good at is playing remote control, meaning we have pains all the time. We as humans, from sitting too long, from driving, from this, from playing sports, whatever it is. And what controls the volume of the pain is our mental health. So when you're stressed and you're anxious, you feel the pain more. Because the same way that if you heard a sound in a

dark house in the middle of the night, don't you go like this and pay attention to that if someone comes up behind you, boo, you jump, you turn up the volume. Yeah. So you're just turning up the volume on your pain to be more aware and survive. So we have to learn how to take better control of that remote control and that volume. Damn, bro, you're so smart. This is not me. I'm just translating other people. This is Einstein, everyone. This is crazy. This is all out of his brain. How does he do it? I don't know. I couldn't think like that. No, but isn't it interesting? No, it's incredible. I'm learning so much. I'll give you an example. You said, like, how would I know if this is like, yeah, yeah. Let's say a patient comes in. They're like, so I have this elbow pain

and I'm asking all these questions from a history and they say, you know, I'm like, what about on weekends? Is it hurt on weekends? They're like, no. I'm like, oh, interesting. What happens on weekends? Oh, well, I'm out with my friends.

Well, when you're out with your friends, does your elbow bother you? Nope. What could be going on anatomically with their elbow that their pain goes away? And once the weekend off. But everyone deserves a holiday. Leave the elbow out of this.

But I'm just saying, if there's like a bruise or there's a fracture, It's going to hurt all the weekend off. No, it's going to hurt all the time. Long weekends, 4th of July. Man, my need, you're spending too much time with Chauvin, bro. I'm doing too much. I was going to, that's what I'm saying.

Like, you could see a pattern above where you're like, oh, when you're having fun, these symptoms go away and when you're stressed, they come up. Yeah. And then the patients themselves will get better at recognizing it. Right. And the goal is to get rid of me. I don't want to be the doctor for everything for them. Yeah, but I feel like people coming to see you for the wrong.

reasons as well no we do a pretty good job at filtering that oh you do yeah and we also help them so that they don't have to be dependent on me right the goal is so they can recognize and learn when is it generalized anxiety disorder versus oh i'm just a little anxious because i have a big interview tomorrow there's a difference does that happen a lot the people go hey like i'm freaking oh yeah yeah i mean some people will judge their anxiety and think that they should never be anxious that's not realistic wow but then some people will downplay and realize, oh my God, I'm actually having panic attacks that need to be treated. And they need treatment. Wow. So it goes both ways. Yeah, I, uh, I had something happen to me recent.

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And she was just like, yeah, it was like a trauma reaction. Your body went like, fight, flat, or freeze. She's like, I'm glad you decided to fly. But she just said, yeah, the fact that you started shaking is because your body has like this full and like trauma reaction. I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, dude, like, if I got Parkinson's like, what's going on my hand? That's how people react.

And that's, look, you're playing it out right now. How a mental health emotion impacts your physical health. You just said it right there. Yeah, dude. I was like, like, come on, buddy. But that's, the body does that. Yeah. So what's happening in your mental state directly impacts how you feel physically

and how you perform physically. Yeah. That's why sports psychology is such a big thing. Really? Yeah. I mean, like visualization and all these techniques that sports psychologists practice with athletes. Like, why do you think the same two guys win in tennis every year?

Because they're really good. I mean, why is no one else that good? Because I'm not playing. If it was me in there. Are you a naked athlete in your mindset? terrible. No, really? I'm the worst,

really. Do you play sports right now? I'm so shit. I'm so coordinated. So like if I put you on a basketball court right now, no one? I can't, bro, you see how skinning these calves are?

Bro, come on. So you can't dunk. Yeah, I would fall over and hit the rim. Wow. But no, I used to play a sport growing up. Like,

I used to play rugby. I actually got a knee reconstruction to my ACL, which was a lot of fun at 17. And then the surgeon was like, you can't run again for the next 12 months. And I was like, well,

guess what? Surprise I'm going to. I thought I was like Forest guy. You're really good at ignoring medical events. Yeah, I just, I taped it up. I taped it up. And then you went to a shaman and you had it blessed? Yeah, they pulled some holy water on my knee.

I'm like, let's go. And then I started playing again. It wasn't very good. Like I was, so I got kicked out of all the schools in Australia. So I had to go to school in New Zealand. And all the- They kicked you out of a country? Oh, I was, like, I deserve to go.

That's impressive. I've heard of people being expelled, but not out of a country. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, all those schools are there. This guy has to go. And my dad was like... And look at you helping people now. It's beautiful.

Yeah, because I've tormented too many. No, no, no. But my parents sent me to school in New Zealand and all the boys are a lot bigger there and like rugby's like a religion. So I thought, oh yeah, I'll be good. But I'm just skinny little twig and just got absolutely pumped. Which is a lot of fun. But yeah, the knee reconstruction was kind of like at that point.

I was like, you know what? Like, I'm probably not too good at sport. But the thing is, I want to breed with like a nice tall woman and just have a thoroughbred kid that we just train and just get on steroids as soon as it comes out of the womb. Yeah, tell me about, like, you're curious about TRT? Are you on TRT? I am on TRT. Okay.

What led to that decision? Oh, I went and did my blood and I was, and my doctor was like, hey, like, you're, like, he's like, your test levels are fine. Like, it's all good. Okay. But he's just like, you could be better. Oh, no. Hyper optimization.

And I was like, let's induce me up. No way. Is that really how the conversation went? No, no, no. It was obviously like more serious because I, you know, I was when I first came to LA, I think I was like 22 or whatever. Okay. And all my friends are getting jacked in the gym and they're looking good and I was always skinny and long and which was fine. But I was always asked myself questions. Like what? Like why can't I put on size? Like I'm, I would just get like skinny fat and I would, I just wouldn't grow as quick as I, well, I wouldn't just grow in it in a normal way. So that was what prompted me going to my doctor and asking the question.

Like, hey, like, is there something that's like off? So you wanted to put on muscle. You went to get evaluated to figure out why it wasn't happening. Yeah. Your doctor said your testosterone levels are normal. Well, he said there were, he said there were, I forgot what it was because it was a while ago, but he was like on the scale, on the lower end is where you were sitting. Do you remember what time of day you did the blood work?

Probably not. No, no. The reason I ask is because in general, we don't want to do testosterone replacement therapy for people who have normal testosterone levels. Okay. For obvious reasons, right? Because there are side effects, and if you don't need it, you're using it unnecessarily. You're exposing yourself to risk.

Yeah. The way we check those levels is it needs to be checked between 7 and 10 a.m., first thing in the morning. Okay. So what a lot of these clinics would do, and I've heard this anecdotally, is they would check them late at night, but label as if they were doing them in the morning. Oh, no. So they would get insurance companies to pay for them and say, oh, this person's low testosterone. Oh, I see.

So we need to get them in steroids. Yeah. Testosterone. So that's not what you were doing. No, no, but it was definitely in the morning because of an early riser. But, yeah, so it was just more in the sense of just trying to, like, improve my quality of life as well and like optimize and to be bigger and faster, stronger and athlete, you know, whatever.

But you're not doing that. No, I do do T-R-T. No, no, but you're not an athlete. I know, but I wish, I'm pretending. Okay, fair. I wear the little pants. Are you aware of the risks? Yes.

Tell me what the risks are. You just get f***ing swall. That's not the risk. No, I know there's obviously fertility issues. Okay, that's number one for someone your age. So, yeah, male birth control so I can go on anyone. That's not how it works either. Oh, man.

Please tell me the doctor did not discuss this with you this way. No, he did, but I forget, you tell me. Oh, my God. Okay, so fertility is obviously an issue, and that could be permanent in some people. Oh. So, like, in most people, if you stop, it will come back, but it could be permanent in some. Okay. Excess risk of developing heart disease and stroke is the bigger one, especially in younger men.

Yeah. That's a game changer. That's not something you want. None. You're like, I'm good. You know what? I could get hit by a car tomorrow. Let's juice it up.

This is not advice I would give to people. No, no, of course. But yeah, I mean, that's all. All a doctor can do is tell you the risks and then it's on you to decide. But what about the good side? So the good side is you have testosterone already. And it was normal. Okay.

More is not better than some. But you get juice to the gills. But what benefit does that give you? Right, it looks sick. That's the benefit. We just traded heart attack risk to looking sick? Yeah, bro. Is that a worthwhile train?

You think you looked that bad before? Yeah, my nipples were bigger than my chest. Come on. But I'm sure there was a way to change that. Steroids. No. Come on. No, no.

Look, it was like a serious conversation. I also did explain him like, hey, really want to have kids one day. Okay. So I got this girl pregnant and we've got a three-year-old. No, I'm joking. But we did go through it. And we did like, you know, he did make it make sense. So are you checking your blood work regularly and doing all this?

Every couple months. Not like. No, that is what you're supposed to do. And then also, yeah, we check for everything. But there was like, you know, he's like, oh, people take growth hormone and this and that. And I was like, well, come on. Like, I'm not trying to look like the rock. Like, I just want to make sure I feel and look good and get excited about life.

And I think that, you know, a lot of my older friends as well. Like I've told them to go in when they're feeling like sad and depressed. And I want to, yeah, fully. like change people's lives, which is good, but now I'm hearing about how bad it is. Well, no. Are you taking anything? No. You should.

I don't even take. You're like, maybe you would have won your boxing. Yeah, bro. I actually got a needle in the locker room for the flight. In the locker room. Really? 20 minutes before my walk is. So I can't do it.

So I'm out. So you can't box. I'm out. I don't have a heart attack. What is I going to tell you? Oh, in society, we view like aging as a disease. For sure. And I don't think age.

is a disease so fundamentally we disagree wait what yeah oh there's that Australian doctor that come out and said that did you hear about this no tell me about like tally health or something and they have this magical pill that makes you younger I'm you're messing with me no I swear there's a magical pill that makes you younger I swear to God he had a I was in uh South by Southwest and I was at their thing and they're like showing me this video of two mice and they said this one and your mouse i could be you never know no i'm hung like one you went from carrot to mouse yeah i don't know so you like meat in the middle so that's an average no no but they were showed me the video of these two mice and and they're the same age but this one looked beautiful

and this one looked old and with it and it was explaining like we have this like system where they kind of dissect your life and this is what's going to make it better and this is going to make it worse but then they have like this magical supplement which are apparently reverse is aging. Yeah, it does it. Well, not in humans. Well, I'm going to take it.

I'm going to let you. I'm just saying, I'm going to come back with like three legs. You know, we've cured like diabetes and mice and cancer and mice. And it's great for mice. Type one diabetes? Yeah. What?

Well, we can't cure it in humans. Why not? Because we're not mice. I should. So what works in mice doesn't work in humans. How do we turn into mice? Is that really, you want to devolved?

Have you turned anyone into a mouse? No. Let's get on that. But I have made them comfortable with the concept of aging where they look at themselves and they're happy. and they're happy with their bodies and they're happy with their performance where they're not going to take on excess risk.

Okay, but what do you take in this day so young? Nothing. Dude, get on time. Am I looking terrible these days? I don't know what I said. This is AK camera. You look great. Thank you.

But are you getting like sunshine every day or is it all like hocus pocus? No, ideally you should get some sunshine in. Yeah, especially in the mornings. Like that's a good tip that people give. Like first thing, open up your blinds. or even if you go outside for 15 minutes. I think Huberman lab, he was saying in his podcast,

like half a lemon and some salt and some water, and it helps, like, suppress, I don't know, whatever. I do it anyway. I mean, look, if it makes you happy, do it, but that's not going to cure anything. Okay. Like, it's just, like, not realistic. And sometimes I listen to, like,

Huberman's a different subject because he's a professional. But, like, I'll see people on TikTok. They're like, you should not drink this water because it's acidic. But what you should do is squeeze some lemon in your water. I'm like, lemon's an acid. Right. What are you talking?

That was my video. That was me. No, there's like a lot of people who claim to have all the answers that don't. Okay, let's just set the record trait. There is no supplements that make you live longer. That does not exist. Taking testosterone when you have normal testosterone levels as a young adult is more harm than good. It's your prerogative to take it.

But it's more harm than good from the research. Okay. And that's it. So I just come off everything now? I get skinny. I don't tell you what to do. Oh, you should. I lay as a doctor.

It's not my job to be your. parent okay and no doctor should be your parent doctors should lay out options and you should decide what's right um but technically doctors should aim to first do no harm so if they know what they're prescribing you's causing you harm they should think otherwise okay you're like this is boring yeah man i got to ruin that relationship now but there's a lot of fun stuff you can get watches and stuff yeah man sorry i know that's boring no i'm thinking what i mean i don't know like i like lifting and stuff. Yeah, but you know how good it is to lift and do not feel sore the next day?

I know. That's crazy. Yeah, try it. It's not necessary. What about trend? Apparently, trend's really bad for you. I mean, I haven't tried it. They're all not good for you when you don't need them.

But this is from a doctor. That doesn't make it better. I mean, it makes it somewhat better because they're monitoring your lab values and stuff, but it's still not ideal. Okay. No, okay, I want to talk about type one diabetes. Okay. So my brother got it from a virus when he was like 14 or 15, which is really crazy.

and then my nephew got it as well. What's the documentation of the virus situation? I was so young, but I remember it was just, is pancreas? Yeah. He had a bunch of ice cream at his friend's house and he was sick before this, right? Okay, it's a weird story. He was sick before this and then apparently his pancreas was failing, but we didn't know. We didn't know what was going on.

And then he got kind of like. Had pancreatitis. It's something like that. And then he went to his friend's house, had a bunch of ice cream, whatever. So that had thrown up was really bad and it took him to hospital. And then, hey, like your pancreas is gone or whatever else. It didn't happen that rapidly. It was also like 12 years old.

But that was when he got diagnosed with type of diabetes. And then it most recently happened to my nephew as well. But he and he was like 17 or something, which is kind of crazy. Because it's not, no one in our family has had it before. And now suddenly two of us have developed it. Is that a thing? Because it's happened. Yes, not everyone in a family will have it.

Okay, because I'm scared. Yeah, I mean... I'm juicing with enough shit. All my organs are going downhill. Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune condition when your own body attacks the cells that produce insulin. Yeah. So you essentially have no insulin production.

Yeah. Versus type 2 diabetes is you have insulin, but it doesn't work in your cells as well because your body that produced too much of it and your body got used to it. Or it try to create so much that it all. so burned out and you essentially function as a type one diabetic even though you're still type two wow it's the mechanism by which it happens is how we decide type one verse type two so how do you be there to like because there's one thing I've struggled with like I didn't educate myself when my brother was going through all this shit like it kind of like scared me seeing everyone you know

freaking out in our family like how because I know there's probably people that are gone through a similar situation how do you be best there for someone who is like a family member or or you want to educate yourself a little bit better. Like, because I remember my, we, I only drink Diet Coke now or like diet drinks or diet sodas, whatever else because that was all what we had in the house. We weren't allowed like any like crazy sugar stuff. But I just, I never knew like growing up. Like, how could I be best there for my brother?

The best and easiest thing to say is to go with them when they go to their doctor's appointments. Yeah. Especially even as an adult. When you go and you hear bad news, it's so easy to be emotional. in that moment that you don't remember anything that happened in the visit. Damn.

Especially if I'm delivering bad news to a patient, I encourage them to bring a loved one. Yeah. So that they could also hear it. They can gauge what's going on. If you ever text me, Harry, you bring your mom. I'm going to be, oh, fuck. No, but I mean, it's good to have that person

as a support system. Just the presence of someone being there, like you said, like the are you okay day? That goes a really long way. Yeah. And how we mentioned the connection with your therapist is the number one factor of success. Having a support

system is the number one factor of success of any mental health condition. Wow. So just having someone to call on will decrease the likelihood of a suicide, of an overdose, all these things, just having the support system. Whether it's a wife, a child, a best friend, a brother, whatever. I've only got two of those. You have it. If you have one, you're ahead.

Okay. Because there's a lot of people in this world, especially post-pandemic, that have nobody. And we're in a pandemic of loneliness. Did you say that recently? Or someone else say. I've heard that. I can't take credit for anything I've said today. No,

you should take credit for it. It's really smart. This is stuff that I would never say because I can't remember it. But that's okay. You don't need to have a member. You need to. Everyone has a role and your role, your role is joy. You bring people joy.

There we go. That's a positive thing. I just, maybe we can not encourage people to do testosterone replacement when they don't need it. Yeah. No, no, no, we don't need it. Do trend. This is the opposite.

And do heroin. No. God, this is a medical podcast. Sorry, you can't. Okay. Okay, so where... So don't do heroin? Yes.

Okay, cool. That's good advice. Yeah, good advice. No one do heroin. Perfect. Please. Where are you in 10 years? Hopefully here still in this podcast room.

That's a long time in the podcast. It's a world record. Okay. So you're checking in with me 10 years. What are you doing? What are you up to? So for me, the biggest... Actually, this is what helped me when I was going through a bit of a dark spot.

I got a little. list of questions about like who I am in the next five years and for me the biggest goal is to be like you know when you watch a Kevin Hart movie or you see his face somewhere okay and you're like oh I want to watch that because it's going to make me laugh okay or like Will Farrow like I'm going to watch that because it's going to make me laugh okay that's the goal for me like the goal is whenever you see this stupid face you're going to be like this guy is going to make me laugh and I like I love it like that that's the whole so are you going to go into acting. Yes, I wasn't a movie, which isn't out yet, but I had a couple scenes. And it was

awesome. Like, it was so much fun. Because the difference between like acting and like reality TV is like, reality TV is like all like, I don't know, disjointed. Like it's not really a family. It's like, well, the last show I did was kind of like family. But it's always, you know, everyone's kind of going against each other. The crew is not necessary allowed to talk to you. But like with the acting stuff, I got to talk to the investors. I got to talk about the camera guys. I got to go to my trailer. I get to talk to the person like cooking lunch and like I was just so excited I was there for like 14 hours I didn't even need to be there that long but I was there just like talking to everyone because I was like this is so cool like and then they're talking about new projects they're doing

whereas like reality TV it's all like competitive it's all like okay like oh I I heard that you've got or like people kind of just shove it in your face it's kind of like influence it like they want to show off I'm doing so well I'm doing this whatever else and it's kind of like that like the acting stuff like it's art like you get to see people. people like perform and to like be a character and for me like that was the most like my cup was like overflowing i'm like sitting there i'm like wow this is really cool i get to talk this dude that like fronted 10 million dollars for this film and hear about his vision and what's going on so for like i love that whole process but i i also just like i love everything that comes with like comedy and

like i can't watch a horror movie i'm too scared but i want to i want to make people laugh and smile For me in 10 years, I think I would love to follow the footsteps of like someone like Chris Hemsworth. Get a wife and a family, move back to Australia, raise him there and then come back and do like really cool things. And yeah, that's the whole goal is to just make people laugh. Invest in really cool companies and have a really solid like foundation around me and to just do good things and not be like a drama, drama filled, whatever else. Was that a weird noise before? Or was it a bird? A bird. Okay, I was like, damn.

The bird was trying to amp up your message and make it. Yeah, it was my background music. It was my friend that passed to be. He was probably checking in. Okay, so you moved to Australia with a family. You're crushing it. Yeah. In Hollywood.

You're on the billboards. People seeing your face. They're laughing. 45 years go by and they're making a movie about your life. What's it called? Wow. No one's ever asking this. um what's it called i don't know like that's because it could be a funny film it could be something

hilarious or it could be dark with all the the the hectic stuff that's kind of come with this whole journey i don't know fucking get a headache with harry i don't like get a headache get a hemorrhoid watching harry because you laugh so hard no because you're like dude, fuck, you make me, no, you make you go sick? No, I think so. I don't know. It's like, that's a hard one. It's a hard, what would you name your film?

Life as a metaphor. You've thought about that before. No, it's a book that I wanted to write. Oh, okay. But it's, yeah. And I know what the last page says. Can you tell me? Yeah.

So, do you know the difference between a metaphor and a simile? Dude, you're asking me questions. Well, that's why I have to. I'm an idiot. I'm on reality TV. I take my shirt off on Instagram and post photos of my arse. That's why I ask.

I don't even know what a noun or a verb is. But you know what a metaphor is. Yeah. Okay. And a simile is when you use like. Oh, okay. I do that a lot. This cup is like the sky because it's blue.

That's a simile. Okay. Simile. Okay. So the book is called life as a metaphor. And then the final page will say, so in life, so life is really like a metaphor. Oh, wait, that's a simile.

It's so good. Not bad, right? You're smart. You're the guy. Now I have to get yours. Come on. This is school. This is hard, right?

You have to end on the... I've never thought about this shit. We're going to title of the podcast this. No, we're not. Yeah. Okay, let's do something crazy. Okay. Just don't get us demonatatat.

Yeah. That's my first thing. Yeah. Oh, I swore it off. Like, you're probably going to be in trouble. No, that's fine. um god i don't know man i've never thought about it now now it's gonna be in my head for the next like three months and then i'm gonna come back and be like hey mike um this is what i'm okay deal but

like i don't know we'll include it i've never thought whatever you DM me i've never i've never thought about that like i've never thought about or my life was a movie whatever else or like a metaphor for yeah it's it's a really tough one because i think that like there's so much beauty in like the pain and the stuff that has happened in my life and again like man like I've had a very privileged life, but we all, we all go through stuff. So for my, for my personal experience and my experience in this world, like, there's been a lot of pain and it's helped me blossom into something that I'm like, okay, I want to, want to make it funny and beautiful.

So it could be like a really depressing, like drama or something crazy. Or it could be like, I don't know, I was listening to Kevin Hart's audio book and he was like, there's a joke in everything. And he was talking about just the dark stuff that he's gone through and his family and stuff of his brother and whatever else and just hearing. his take on it made me get like a different like overview of kind of stuff that's happened in my life and be like, okay, let's make it funny. So I feel like it'd have to be a comedy. With some dark humor in it. I already have the picture of the poster. Can I describe

you? You'll sell it. You tell me. You tell me. There's a picture of you elderly. Yeah. Gray beard, long gray hair. Having a stroke. So no, you have a really big beard. Okay. And the background's kind of blurred out black and just your face and on the bottom it says unshaven hairy beautiful you said it i'm sold this beautiful you prepared these you thought of these before no because it's there's no way you're smart off the cuff no it's come on you've got so much knowledge in that brain harry i get it you don't get it i get it it's a punt yeah i understand i'm not a complete idiot like i know i like it i like it No, it's so good.

So would you buy it? For sure. Okay, I'm selling it. I'm sold. Yeah. $10. We'll make it a book as well. Okay.

It's just photos of my house. And my balls in the sun. I'm shaving Harry. I like it. Yeah, it could be fun. It could be a good movie. We'll monetize it. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Thank you for coming on and being so open and sharing your story. Oh. It's exciting. See, thank you. Because I want to see where your career goes now. I'm going to be cheering you on. No.

No. It'll be good. We got some. crazy stuff coming this next year so yeah what can people be excited i can't tell you come on tell people something give them a leak um well so hopefully this movie um comes out and hopefully that sparks something hopefully that gets me in conversations to to be able to do more stuff because for me like practicing uh acting have you ever have you tried i've tried i'm so bad that i'm never doing it again but it makes you like look within yourself and that's what i got with therapy as well it made me like

take like a different perspective on myself yeah you're very introspective i have to say oh yes that's mature i'm getting mature so sick um but yeah it made me like look within and i'm like okay like but if this is what's going to upset the character whatever else like it just it made me like look within and i really enjoyed that i really enjoyed that um just taking a you know a different different look at why i react or why this character would react the way it does so i'm really excited for that so hopefully that film comes out And hopefully it sparks more conversations and gets me to be able to fulfill my, my goals and my dreams to be, you know, the white Kevin Hart, I guess.

Nice, okay. We'll be cheering you on here. Yeah. And then, so Amazing Race, I filmed The Amazing Race. Yeah, when's that coming up? It was like the celebrity. Why this? Well, because no one's going to know the celebs over here.

But like in Australia, I'm like, you know, I'm going up against like the weather guy that I grew up watching and like one of the wiggles. I don't know if you know who that is. But it was awesome. It was really, it was such an incredible life-changing experience. I think it's going to be out before the end of the year. I believe so. I hope so.

Hopefully people in the US can watch it because I made an absolute cockhead of myself on it. Like it was awesome. There's a lot of fun, a lot of tears. Hardest thing I've ever done. Wow. Like mentally, like challenging like, you know, puzzles and having to figure out shit and racing all day and being in the heat. And it was beautiful.

And then there's a few more stuff coming out. like a few more shows because i kind of was in a moment where i was like i'm not going to do any more reality tv like i want to stay away from i want to build this acting career out but in kevin hart's book he was he said like his whole goal was to be so big that no one can say no to him so that's my whole thought process right now is i'm going to be as big and as aggressive and as as as loud as i can so i can get to the point where that boy in that small town in australia who just needs a laugh can watch me and be like cool i can do it as well because harry did it i love it so yeah there we go i how do i not cheer for that it's a good story

unshaven harry unshaving harry there we go you're legend