The Chris Cuomo Project - BREAKING: Biden Exits 2024 Race - Chris Cuomo’s 5 Key Questions

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

In this special breaking edition of The Chris Cuomo Project, Chris Cuomo reacts to President Joe Biden’s sudden decision to exit the 2024 race. Cuomo asks key questions about why this happened so abruptly, how the Democrats can move forward with Kamala Harris, the influence of progressives within the party, and the challenges of facing Trump in the upcoming election. With the Democratic convention in August looming, join Chris and producer Greg Ott  for an insightful analysis of the party’s next steps and the potential implications for the political landscape. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In fact, it's a little weird for me to be using my phone to do this, and I can't check my texts right now. But let me tell you what I know and then Greg and I will get into a conversation. The headline for me is failing to plan is planning to fail. That is the epitaph for the Democrats if they screw this up even more than they have already. Remember, the decision, the fatal flaw was not having a primary system, not a real one, and pretending that this was just any other incumbency. Biden was not any other incumbent.

The proposition in beating Trump is that he is too scary. The offset of that notion is if the Democratic ticket also frightens people, not because it's radical left, that's for the right to say, that's their propaganda. It's that Biden may not serve it out. So you're really voting for someone else or it's not gonna be him and that uncertainty, that fear is a fear, it's a scary, it's an offset.

So that's what they were wrestling with. Why today? Biden, I think has been beaten by COVID. He's been beaten by consensus. He's been overwhelmed with calls, but I'll tell you something. His people were making calls to delegates today and reaching out in different states to see where people's heads and hearts were

when they found out that he was gonna withdraw. Meaning that's how sudden it was. That's how capricious it was. That's how much Joe Biden didn't want to do this. And what did we see in response? So he puts out the letter, no mention of Harris endorsement, then a tweet endorsing Harris. Why? Because the Democrats are begging him for time and to be part of the process. That's what I'll talk to you later this week means. And you saw the Clintons, maybe the Obamas, Pelosi, everybody came out and said, yay, Harris. Why Kamala Harris? First of all, why not? And I'm not playing semantics. If you're a Democrat, how do you pass over a sitting vice president who's a black female?

How do you do it? For what, a white guy? Your party has made a big point of saying that it celebrates diversity. How do you do that? Second, how do you do it when the money in the Harris, the Biden-Harris, which is now the Harris question mark committee, that 200, 300 million, whatever it is, she's the only one qualified to take it from President Biden. Otherwise, that committee would be subject to campaign finance rules at the federal level

like anybody else, and that money would be largely stuck and have to be returned. So you talk about the political exigencies and the financial exigencies, it is not easy for the Democrats to look past Kamala Harris. Why am I even suggesting it? Well, one, because they don't have a plan, and two, there is a movement within the party that wanted to get rid of Biden, dot, dot, dot, but also wants to get rid of Harris because neither is seen as progressive enough. So what might we see at this convention? That's the big question mark. The answer to the now

what is, you don't really know until the convention. What kind of people will have the balls to get in against Harris, meaning the entire infrastructure of the Democratic party? Could a Bobby Kennedy consider it? Well, how could he do that? He's an independent. You only need 300 delegates to sign your name for consideration convention. 300, you got over 3000, 4000 delegates with the super delegates. That's not that many. That's just like 10 percent if you could get them. Marianne Williamson, Cornel West, Jill Stein, Josh Shapiro, Bashir. Now those guys, the legit players, less likely.

Why? Going against the party machinery. But there are now a bunch of questions that have to be answered on this news. This is not the end of the story, it's just the beginning. The Chris Cuomo Project is supported by Factor. Factor, warmer, sunny days, yay! Well, how do I prep? Factor, no prep, no mess meals.

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Like how surprised are you in all this? He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't want to do it. He's being forced to do it. That's why they're all fawning all over him is because they don't want to look like they pushed out an old man. Guess what? They just pushed out an old man.

And they did it because they fucked up the primary process. And they really did. That is the unforgivable thing. So many Democrats have said to me, how did we get here? Look, we all knew Biden was old, okay? And I think that we are exaggerating what is necessary for a president, okay?

I don't think he's brain dead. I don't think he's going to resign. I know Republicans are now calling on him to resign. Why? More chaos, but they better be careful what they ask for. Because Trump is very beatable. Now, some will say no, not after taking a bullet for democracy.

Not now he isn't, not after that assassination attempt, which is why you have Whackadoos on the left saying he wasn't shot. Makes them no better than what they say they oppose in the righty fringe that believes all their conspiracy bullshit. But Trump is very beatable. You have less than four and 10 people in this country thinks you can believe anything he says. That's not good. So they better be careful what they ask for. Why would Biden resign? What Biden should do is stay in and become immensely useful in bridging us for the next several months and talking about unity and bringing in people from both sides of the electeds and say, hey, man, you guys got to

do better than this. And what will look like, what will he sound like? I don't know. We've never been here before. In 1968, LBJ dropped out in March and you had all of this social cataclysm going on about the war and other stuff. It's not really a great analogy. And I don't think it's even a great convention analogy. This convention is going to be a moment I will almost certainly be in Chicago. But I have a list of questions. And I can go one by one and you can tell me what you think Greg about each. The first one is that I'll make it what you just said, shocker. Is it a shocker? Yes, why?

Because they have no plan. Failing to plan is planning to fail, especially in politics. I'm gonna keep saying that because I'm telling you, it's gonna loan large as a reckoning of this one way or another. Even if they win, it's gonna be seen that way because how could you have lost to Trump in the first place? You know, it is unpopular as frightening as he is to so many people

so It's is this a shocker the first question like why did it happen this way is the first question because they don't have any plan and This has just been a pressure campaign and they haven't seen past getting rid of Biden and just giving it to Harris if and they haven't seen past getting rid of Biden and just giving it to Harris. If there was an attempt to challenge Biden, there was Dean Phillips back in the day, everybody kind of laughed the guy off,

but what he was saying from the get-go, if I remember correctly, was basically what everybody is saying now. It's like, we like Joe Biden. We think he's done a good job. He's just too old. Like, I have these concerns about his age. So he was expressing these concerns and it's a

lot of what the party has been saying recently as far as I remember. Everybody felt it. The first problem was you can't go against your guy. So Dean Phillips broke that rule, which is why he was, you know, you're only going to see that in a second tier player or somebody who doesn't really want a future in the party. And I'm not disparaging Dean Phillips. I had him on plenty because I believed he deserved the voice. Same thing I feel about Bobby Kennedy Jr. I don't think you can let the two parties just decide who gets a voice in our democracy

because it's not like they know better than the rest of us. I mean, Trump and Biden, that's the best they could do. That just shows you to me the limitations of that binary system and the battle to the bottom that it's become. It really is about which is worse when you have Trump versus Biden. So now what? Second question. How well, the now what for the Democrats is how do you look past Harris? There may be pressure in the party to go more

progressive. More progressive than a black female? Yeah, one who was an attorney general, progressive than a black female? Yeah, one who was an attorney general who did a lot of things that minority communities weren't a fan of, there are progressives, especially more aggressive progressives who wanna do it differently and don't like her or Biden. How much of a say will they have? I don't know, it's tough to say right now why.

That takes us to question number three. Well, what's interesting about that, Chris, really quick is you had AOC do this Instagram live the other day where she like went to went to the map for Biden and was like, he's our guy, blah, blah, blah, like of all the progressives. Why do you think she's a pretty pragmatic politician. I don't think that she is like, for all the like, you know, firebrand stuff she does, I think she actually does want to be a presence in the party. And so like, I think at this critical juncture, she was she looks at the same polls that a lot of people see. And it's like, this is a huge gamble. This is a huge dice roll. And I think she was kind of like, you know, Biden has actually done a lot of progressive stuff. I think she's become a more practical, pragmatic politician through the virtue of all the headbutting that the progressives have done.

And so I think she likes Biden because he's been a good means to an end for the types of policies that she's been pursuing. She will wind up saying something else now. There is no interest, well, not just about Biden, but about where she is and why. And here's the shift. There's no interest in politics like self-interest. She came out in favor of Biden because she was pleasing Pelosi who was trying to have it both ways. Pelosi put her own committees, gave her sweet assignments, and that was a fealty play, my opinion. Now she's going

to be saying something else. And we'll get a read on her. I think the less AOC, the better for the Democrats' chance of winning this election. How do you get past Harris? Sitting VP, black female, institutional knowledge, access to the funds, comes from California, huge, was a US Senator, was an attorney general. It's a pretty solid pedigree for them to pass up with somebody who would want to have to piss off the party. So now Harris can pick her VP, right? No, not really.

She can endorse someone, but nothing's happening between now and the convention officially. They got to have the roll call vote because remember this, they can call it a mini primary, but it's not a primary. They passed that up already. It's going to all happen at the convention. Now, does that mean that the convention is going to be this wild? Well, that's what I want you to think because if I'm there, I'm going to want you to watch it, but maybe, maybe more likely than not, it will be much more exciting than the, you know, conventions that we've seen recently. But there is more than enough time this next word, is it is it too late? No, it is not too late. It is not too late for Democrats. Why? Look what I'm doing right now. There's so much media,

there's so much saturation within the political game that the cycles are never ending. In 1984, I was old enough to have lived through it. Yeah, I was a kid, I was 13 years old, but the Ronald Reagan thing was a whispering campaign. Joe Biden's health has been blasted all over the place for a year. Okay? The speculation is 24-7. Everybody has their own soapbox. So there's more than enough time. It's much

easier for Harris because of the money. And I would argue for some other points also. Now, is there enough time? Yeah, but how do they use that time? See, that's the question. You will hear people say it's too late or isn't it? It's about how you use the time. And the first thing I need to know that I don't know right now is, what do we know about Harris's strength and weakness within the electorate?

Just seeing her against another bunch of Democrat names or as in anyone but Trump, that doesn't really tell me enough. I need to know what her plus minus is with different groups of voters. Can I answer this? What do you think of this blitz primary stuff that you're pitching? The idea of between now and the convention actually running this mini primary semaphore treated out that thing that was like, I think a bunch of donors put together this like wishlist

of like, we get Mr. Beast and Taylor Swift and Oprah to host all these events. And like, to your point about like using the media, like there's this whole idea of like, it's not just, you know, at the roll call, it's this huge televised live streamed event over the next month. Style over substance.

They have enough time, how they use the time, the faster they get behind somebody and start promoting her as better than Trump with some kind of rationale for that takes me to my fourth question. It's not just who, it's why. It's why now you got a little bit of a how question too, but Biden getting out relieved a big part of the how question. Now you have the why question. Well, he was too old. That's what you say.

Well, he couldn't win. That's what you say. Yeah, but look at the latest poll in Michigan. Well, I don't, but we're a long way out and polls are often wrong and we don't know what's going to happen. And so, well, okay, that's how the Democrats are right now. Okay, so can you please tell them, Mr. President, you're going to talk to them later in the week. Okay, because that's not weird, right? The guy decides to do this on a Sunday and doesn't come out and tell us.

He says he'll tell us later and then just happens to tweet out that he's backing Harris. This is for Kakta, as they would say in Yiddish. This is a really screwed up process. But here's the big point of question number four. Why is Kamala Harris better for you? Remember, the conceit, the theory of the case is Trump is volatile, self-obsessed, and dangerous. That's the Democrat pitch. Now, look, I don't really agree with the last part. I don't believe that Donald Trump has designs on being a despot, wants to destroy the democracy, wants to become an authoritarian.

I don't believe it. And even if I did think, all right, maybe he wouldn't turn it down, he'd like to be king, I don't think he has the vision. I don't think he has the sense of strategy or tactics beyond his ability to make headlines to do something like that. You may not like this, but then you probably shouldn't. But they are very often impressive individuals in terms of their understanding of history, what their strategy is, what their design is. They may be completely malignant, you know, completely evil,

but this is working towards making that happen. I don't see that with Trump. And I'll get criticized for that and people on the left will say I'm being foolish. Maybe, I'm sure I'll be high on the list of people who pay a price for next Trump term, but I'm willing to pay that price to do the job and I'll do it no matter who president is. But why Harris? Why? What are you for? Not just Trump is scary. Because then you're

banking 100% on the anti-Trump vote and that you are young and healthy. So I'll go with you. Now, I don't know that that's enough because there were a lot of people who were worried about Biden because they didn't like the proposition of it being Harris, if Biden couldn't do it. Because otherwise, you wouldn't have this problem, right? So if Harris was such a no-brainer, you could have kept the ticket the way it is. If the polls had been different, been like, I'm all right if it's not Biden because we got Harris. If that's the way people felt, the polls probably wouldn't be the way they were right now. That's my theory. So what's your why? Is it just that Trump is too scary and unhealthy? Okay, that's possible.

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Slow down, slow down. Why everybody's feeding you bullshit and there's going to be all of this desperate incrementalism. Oh, I just heard from someone who had said that he heard by and then I heard that it was Obama and I heard that this is going to happen. And it really was settled a week ago. That's all bullshit. OK. And it's also irrelevant. OK. Sure. It'll drive clicks in SEO.

Whatever. Slow down. They didn't see this coming. They don't have a plan. The Republicans don't know how to respond. The more quiet they are, the better for them. Trump should not have come out and said, Biden is the worst president ever. You are reinforcing for people why they don't like you. Okay? So he's got to be in stop digging mode, right? He just survived an assassination attempt. This is about as good as things can be for Trump. The grace of God. Okay. He is here. He's here to fight another day. People aren't going to like you any more than they do right this second. Stop digging.

On the Democrat side, they don't know. Their presumption is to want Harris, they're lining up behind Harris, but they're cats. They don't have uniformity of the right because they're not motivated by fear, the way the right is. You see JD Vance, how did he go from saying, be careful, Trump could be our next Hitler to this? How do you think?

Self-interest, hits that ass, hits that Trump ass. I didn't know what you were doing. For the audio listeners, we did Chris just made a gesture with his lips. Just to be perfectly clear, that was an ass kissing gesture. That is an ass smoocherooney because that's what politics is, self-interest. And all these guys, whether it's Cruz or DeSantis or Haley, to a lesser extent, or JD Vance to a maximal event, Lindsey Graham, it's because I don't want to lose the primary. It's because I don't want to be Adam Kinzinger and be on CNN and having to talk to you through Twitter. I want to be in office. So you shut up and you kiss it. And with Trump, there's only one

way. Trump's not a loyalty guy. He's a fealty guy. What's the difference? Loyalty is two ways. Fealty is one way. You to me or I kill you. And that's Trump's way of doing business. We'll see how it works. I don't think it worked great the first time,

especially with how so many people got burned by him. But point number five is slow down because these are gonna be big days and weeks between now and the convention. Will the convention absolutely be the spectacular thing where we don't know what's going to happen? Probably not. There's more than enough time to figure it out between now and then, and there will be

some hijinks there, perhaps. I don't think they can shake Harris. I don't think they can do it. I don't think they can overlook her based on what they said they want to be about and what the state of that party is. Let me ask you two things. Team Alberta had that recent piece that came out in the Atlantic that profiled Chris LaSavita and all these, basically the Trump campaign, the behind the scenes, them anticipating this landslide win. It's a really good profile. If you haven't read it, check it out.

But the writer, Tim Alberta, just tweeted out, the Trump campaign has basically built this entire campaign of theirs that is going very well around this idea of, this is how you beat Joe Biden, this old man. It's going to be strength versus infirmity and whatever, strong versus weak. And Tim Alberta is basically saying, this entire campaign just has to go out the window now.

Do you agree with that? Do you think that this is like completely reshuffling the deck? No. And also, you know, it's an interesting thing. Whether it's Tim Alberta, smart guy, as recline, smart guy. There's a difference between smart guys, who have worked on campaigns, and smart guys that haven't worked on that many campaigns, and smart guys who've never worked on that many campaigns and smart guys who've never worked on a campaign. And the idea that you just scrap it, it's not how it works. And there is no

campaign. They don't have some kind of machinery of messaging. It's all Trump. And Trump just said, Biden's the worst president ever. What's he gonna say about Kamala Harris? Stupidest vice president. He's gonna say something like that about her in short order. Okay? The only person worse than Biden is Harris. That's all he knows. He is a one-trick pony. Okay? He had an opportunity to do differently at that convention. And for 20 minutes, I thought I was going to come out of that speech and be talking to you guys about. Wow, he could really change some minds, not my whole video about that. That video like did very well.

It was like you basically said all that and you started like that. And then, you know, we went back to animal like, and then all of a sudden I believe he blew the moment. I really do. And look again, how can you say that? You're making it sound like you wanted him to make the moment. I really do. And look, again, how can you say that you're making it sound like you wanted him to make the moment I want better for us. I just want better. Yeah, I don't care if he's full of shit. A lot of them look full of shit. At least I'd rather have you be full of shit and saying

the things I want to hear. Then saying things I don't want to hear and be full of shit. So we got a long way to go before the convention. We got a really long way to go before the convention. And we got a really long way to go before the election. So slow down, slow down, because the Democrats don't know any more than we do. This is the last thing. Before Biden dropped out, a lot of the pod save bros and a lot of the pundits had been speculating that if Biden were to drop out, he would essentially be like George Washington. He is putting country above party.

He is really making this valiant effort to step aside. Trump, in his estimation, is so dangerous, we need to win. What do you say about the actual choice Joe Biden just made? I know as you sat up top, he probably didn't wanna to make this decision, but like to actually say, hey, I'm not gonna run for president anymore,

that's a huge decision. Well, I think he had to do it. Yes, but for bad reason. I'm not sold that there was no chance that Biden could win. Not when people are this unpopular as Trump is, it's just a really hard thing to say this far out. And I don't know that Harris is such a shoo-in the way certain Democrats are going to start talking now.

And no matter who, whom else they picked to be with her, I think that that's an open question. And here's why he had to do it. Because the game sucks. And he's on a team, and the team has rules, and it's a club team and the team has rules and it's a club and the club went bad on you and he can't make the case to ignore the elites. He's as elite as you get. The irony to me is that who's more elite than the political parties? That's all they are is opportunistic, a handling and finding inside ways and knowing who you

know and how you get to where you are and what money you can provide. It's everything that we don't want in an egalitarian society is in these political parties. They are poison to any sense of populism. Obviously we have a representative democracy, but they are destroying it. That's why George Washington, as Greg was discussing earlier, said, avoid the parties. Here we are. Did Biden have to do it? Yeah, because once your team goes bad on you, what are you left with?

Unless you can bully them the way Trump did, Biden doesn't have that leverage. So here we are on a Sunday. He springs this, doesn't even discuss with us. Why? I think it's part COVID, part that he hates that he's doing this. And he says, I'll talk to you later this week. Okay, I don't know what he's gonna tell us then, unless he resigns from office,

but I don't know why he would do that, unless there's a continuum of thought that I can't run again, I can't accept the nomination for the same reason I can't serve anymore. And what's the genius if he does that? And here again, the Republicans better be careful what they're asking for. Who's president if Biden resigns? Who's president? The vice president, Kamala D. Harris. And you would give her several months of doing the job.

So if I'm a Democrat, guess what I do? Later this week, Joe resigned. Let Kamala get in there right now. Let her put people together. Let people see her putting together a team. Let him show how she speaks at the pulpit. And now he's running against the sitting president. And she ain't no Gerald Ford.

That's, uh, that would be quite the move. I mean, I mean, crazy, crazy, crazier things have happened, especially this month. I mean, I mean, just this, the season we're living through right now is pretty crazy. Um, I, I don't want to keep you. I want to thank you for doing this. It's your show. I mean, I'm working for you. I want to thank you for doing this. It's your show. I mean, I'm working for you. What do you think?

I want to thank Greg Ott. Greg Ott is a new daddy, as you know, who's with his family and he abandons it and runs so that we could be here for you. And I respect you for it. Thank you for doing it. You, I mean, I was at the Apple store. I was showing my wife a photo of my daughter

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