The Chris Cuomo Project - Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo on Trump, Epstein, and the Midterms

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

Highlights from this week’s Cuomo Mornings on SiriusXM feature a wide-ranging and candid conversation between Chris Cuomo and his brother, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. Andrew weighs in on the Epstein fallout, why he believes the issue has metastasized beyond MAGA politics, and how Democrats could use it in upcoming investigations. The brothers debate immigration enforcement, ICE tactics, the coming midterms, and whether Trump’s constant escalation is creating drama fatigue among voters. Andrew argues the election will become a referendum on Trump’s style of governance — not Democratic vision. The show also includes listener calls on snowstorm mismanagement, law enforcement tactics, media bias, and the broader question of what accountability really looks like in today’s politics — along with classic Cuomo sibling rivalry and stories from growing up. Join The Chris Cuomo Project on YouTube for ad-free episodes, early releases, exclusive access to Chris, and more: https://www.youtube.com/@chriscuomo/join Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Same night out — way better morning with Cheers. For a limited time our listeners are getting 20% off their entire order by using code CUOMO at https://CheersHealth.com. #Cheers #ad Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos—get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/CUOMO. Application times and rates may vary. NOBL gives you real travel peace of mind — security, design, and convenience all in one. Head to https://NOBLTravel.com for 46% off your entire order! #NOBL #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

My brother, former governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, joins me this morning. Quomo's are early risers. He just chooses not to listen to the show because he says it bothers his ears. But I needed his expertise this morning to understand the architecture of what seems to be a political implosion. Andrew, thank you for joining us. I love you. Appreciate you doing this. love you appreciate you respect you that'd be proud of you but i don't know what you're talking about political implosion here's so here's what i don't get so epstein comes back why maga they start selling this off the uh back end of pizza gate this crazy ass conspiracy theory about a pedophile ring in the basement of a pizzeria like in iowa or something nuts hillary clinton all this nonsense So they start talking MAGA in the pod sphere. And he was murdered.

And we know this. And the Clintons and the deep state. And it becomes a big catalyst for MAGA. And they want somebody to become what Trump winds up calling himself. I am your retribution. And then he installs in the positions of power that they had no business having two of the main conspiracists. Cash Patel, who literally wore a t-shirt that said cash with a dollar sign. for the yes that he would sell on the basis of him knowing there was a client list.

And Dan Bongino, who had no business being at the top of the FBI, except that what? He was that muscular guy who was going to go in there. They get in there and they say, yeah, we were wrong. Yeah, we were wrong. Now we start seeing these emails that are not, oh, you cheat, oh, you party. Oh, no, no, no, no. This is dirty stuff about young women. maybe beyond below the age of consent, maybe not, but wrong all day long.

They have said nothing about why they never said anything about what's in the files. And it now seems like Trump is in a snare. I've been saying he was hoisted on his own pittard. He doesn't know how to get away from this story. He keeps saying move on. More dirt keeps coming out. Now I think the DOJ is going to have to release names of these people politically. Politically, what do you do in this situation if you're him?

Yeah. First, hosted on your own partard is a good expression. I don't think anybody knows what I mean. I explained it. You may one. But your basic point is right. Look, this has metastasized on them. It started as a MAGA issue, a Trump issue, against the Clintons, against those in power. Now it is something bigger, and it has enveloped Trump. Now it is. the hypocrisy of the justice system. You can't trust the justice system. We said it was a politicized justice system. That's what they did to Trump during the campaign. Everybody tried to indict them because they're all politicians. And it is still politicized. And if you are rich, you can get away with anything in this country. And there's a double standard. And we're angry at the rich. and its class warfare. And my spidey sense says they're covering up. They redacted. What the heck does that mean redacted? It means they blacklined. They're not telling you. Why are they not telling me? Why are they not? It's another cover up. Watergate cover. And it is it is capturing all of the angst

in society. I don't trust the justice system. The rich have gotten away with murder. They've exploited the system. Here they said there was a list. Now there is no list. Now it's a redacted list. And I don't think there's a way that Trump gets out of it. And I'll tell you the great irony is the Democrats are going to win Congress. Go to Polly Market now. Bet. I'll underwrite it. The Democrats are going to win Congress. Oh, how much? How much will you cover it, big shot? That's what history says.

And the Democrats are going to win Congress, not because the Democrats are putting forth any great vision or have any great plan, 10 steps to fix ice. It is a drama fatigue with Trump. I just can't take it every day. There's another drama. It's Greenland. It's Maduro.

It's just too much. I want stability. I want a two-party system check. And the Democrats are going to come in and grab the Epstein issue. And that's going to be the hoisted honors on Patard. And they're going to subpoena Pam Bondi and say, let's go in redaction by redaction. And the Democrats are going to bring you justice. So somebody calls up Andrew Cuomo and says,

uh, you following what's happening with this? So yeah, I'm following it. What do we do now? What, what do we do? They're coming at us for the emails. Arguably, we're in violation of the law. The DOJ had this own policy, but the federal law counteracts the policy. And there's this secondary list.

What should we do? What is the best advice for what needs to happen now on the government's slash administration side? Frankly, I think it's too late. You could make a last-ditch effort out of the box. You're going to bring in some new independent person to review all the redactions because Pam Bondi can't do it. Now she was the one who redacted.

I'm going to bring in a new independent person. They're going to review the redaction, see if there's a legitimate reason. That person says, no, I'm going to really. everything unless it has to do with the privacy of a survivor and a mass admission of all the redactions. Here are all the names and try to pop the blister and get it all out there. I don't think they have the guts to do it. I don't think they can do it. I think there's a reason they did redact names because they have buddies in there who they don't want to expose. And that's why I think this is going to continue and linger.

And then again, hosted on their own partard, the Democrats will do it. And they will have the high ground on the chess board that Trump laid out. I appreciate that analysis. It is spot on and a layer deeper than I had gone, which is no surprise. It's been the story my entire life. But I do want to pivot because this is a special opportunity. Dusty, when you're looking, does it strike you?

Yes. That I am much bigger than my brother who relies on a single photo where I stooped down when we were taking a picture together. He is so insecure. He is so insecure, Gov, that he is obsessed with the one photo out there that makes you look taller than him. Everybody uses it. Who cares? I care. Nobody.

I'm much bigger than he is. You can't win this. I know. He is intimidated by me. I know. I fear nothing, but my own mediocrity. Part of it is I always dominated him in whatever we did, basketball, football, wrestling. It's a fact-free.

I always dominated with it. He's lived under my shack. No one should believe it. He's lived with the constant fear that he cannot handle me on any level, on any level. It's not true. It makes a lot of sense. He looks. The shadow part is right because he's Dracula and he sleeps standing up in a box that is usually in a closet.

I just want to say one thing about the governor is that he spent my son. I don't like referring to him by that, by the way. I do. Not because my son always calls him going to something else. I just want to say that he had such an impact on my 21-year-old son that he changed his life. And I'm very, very grateful for that. Okay, let's put that to the side.

I just want the audience to know. That's all. Let's put that to the side. He is a beauty. He was a pleasure to have him with me. He was with me in the car every day during the mayor. So you have those good days. You have those bad days.

I hope he learned a lot. But he was a tremendous joy for me to have just from a companionship point of view. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vote for me. Vote for me. Shut up. Listen, here's how it all started. He's jealous of that, too. It's unbelievable. Here's how it all started, all right?

I'm about eight years old, okay? I'm sitting in a kitchen table. Formica, round, nice. A framed picture of fruit. Blue formica. Blue for mica, nice, aqua. Nice linoleum floor that Andrew had laid, because God forbid, anybody pay for anything in that house that he could figure out how to do himself.

So, we're in the kitchen. Cheap, cheap, cheap. My mother puts down a plate of chicken. They're like seven people at the table, right? I know that when that comes around, I better grab some chicken. Otherwise, I'm not going to eat because I happen to be sitting next to someone

who was like seven times my size. His nickname was the big Mamu. I take two pieces of chicken. These were small pieces of chicken. These were like parts. It wasn't chickens. this was part. All the sudden, I hear,

Put it back. That's what I hear, eight years old, soul crushing. I look over, my brother's sitting there, got a plate of bones in front of him that looks like a dinosaur. It looks like what you see in the back of a cave, okay, in a sword and sandal movie. He says, put it back, put back the extra piece of chicken.

I say, I don't want to put back the extra piece of chicken. And he, like, has this hand that's like, the size of a catcher's mitt. And he's like, I should put it back. So I put it back because I'm afraid he eats the chicken. Dusty, he's been eating my chicken my whole life. Do you understand? I want the chicken.

I want the chicken, Dusty. That is the metaphor. First of facts are, as he relates them, are totally distorted. Welcome to fake news. There is a bowl of chicken. People take a piece, take a piece. There are two remaining pieces in the bowl. Two remaining pieces.

He has chicken on his plate. He takes the last two pieces, anticipating that he can't eat as fast as the other people. You never take the last piece of chicken out of the bowl, number one. That's just basic manners, you say. This was prison rules, Dusty. This was prison rules. You were a last piece taker. That's what you are.

No. And let me tell you what else he did, Dusty. Let me tell you what else he did. So Andrew is a master mechanic. Andrew is a master mechanic, right? He would buy cars, fix him up, race him, sell them. Okay. So I would sit there and watch him.

And he is a beautiful, masterful mechanic. He's got a true diagnostic ear. cool. So he would do all this all day long, okay? Then when it was over, what's the fun part? Test drive, right? Guess who didn't get to go on the test drives, Dusty? Me. I don't think you're because the Italian stallion had to go and he would say to me, it's too dangerous. You stay here and you start to clean up for me. I'll come back and we'll finish together. He never came back. I would clean that whole thing every time, have to put everything back. One time, Dusty. One time my cousin aptly named Vinnie Romano comes and says,

hey, we're playing football. Why don't you come? I say, okay, I want to go. From underneath the car, all I see is a pair of faded Levi's and some favor dance shoes, because Andrew would only work on the car in his car shoes. So the favor dance shoes are sticking out, and I see that the bottoms are very slick.

And I say, I want to go play. He says, no, you stay like that. And the big catcher's mitt comes from underneath, and he just kind of waves it at me. And I say, all right, today the little man wins. And I wait for his ass to crawl nice and deep underneath that car. And I make a break. Okay? I make a break.

We lived across the street from these garden apartments, and I knew if I could get behind the garden apartments, he wasn't going to chase me. But they made a tactical error, Dusty. Here was the tactical error. There was a big green space. And I decided to cross the green space. instead of going down the back way. So there was opportunity.

And it became a scene out of Mutual of Omaha, Marlon Perkins, where as I'm running across the green, all of a sudden I hear this. And it's those freaking favor shoes clacking on the asphalt. And this guy comes running after me, like when the cheetah is chasing that fat antelope, and he has a hand of grease. And he comes from behind. and swats me down.

I go tumbling over in the grass. And he said, I look up and there he is, in all his glory, still's got the chicken sauce on his face probably from the earlier indignity. And he says, that's right. Now you go back.

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All right? Please show me some love. Tell them Cuomo sent you. I am with my brother, Andrew Cuomo, formidable, redoubtable, three-term governor of New York. Talking to me now in the break, he and Dusty were teaming up against me, but that's okay. I can take on a pack of hyenas. But he says, Epstein isn't everything. There are other things going on.

They're going to have problems with ice. They're going to have problems with a shutdown. I don't get it. Isn't the shutdown bad for the demonstration? Democrats because people don't think it accomplishes anything? I think what happened is the Democrats, I think, have themselves in a box, right? And Trump starts on his back foot, Renee Good, Alex Pready, two Americans are killed. He's on his back foot. He says, okay, I'll suspend the DHS budget, the Department of Homeland Security budget.

Democrats put out 10 demands that they want. and now they're negotiating the 10 demands or there's going to be a shutdown. The 10 demands are basic police procedures. You should identify yourself. You should wear a body camera. There should be no secret police. Yes. And they'll get some of their demands because they don't really want to shut down.

Because if there's a shutdown, it's not that ice gets shut down. It's ISIS funded. It's TSA that isn't funded, which would have tremendous backups at the airports, etc. So they can't shut it down. The Democrats get a partial victory on their 10 police procedures, and they'll declare victory. But, Chris, the 10 police procedures are not the problem. We have 18,000 police departments in this country. There's 1.2 million police officers. There are numerous federal police agencies. You have the DEA, you have the ATF, you have the Park Police Secret Service. We know how to police, just saying ICE has to follow the rules that all 18,000 police departments follow, is not a victory. The question is not, the real question is not how you deport. It's who

you deport them all. Deport them all. That's the counter. I voted to deport them all. That's the counter. No. No, you didn't. Yes. Trump's. They're illegal. They're draining my health care. They're taking my jobs. They're taking the housing. They're killing people and getting away with it. You crazy lefties have your sanctuary cities. You let them go when you catch them and commit crimes. You don't let them pick us up. You don't let us pick them up from the prisons and the jails. You're the problem? No. This is where Trump lost it. Trump had it when he said, I'm going to deport the worst of the worst. I'm going to deport the criminals. He had the majority of the American people, and he ran on that, and when Holman started, I'm going to deport the worst of the worst. Only 14% of the

arrests have been people who have been either charged or convicted criminally. 14%. When they start taking the restaurant workers and the guy who's cutting my grass and my nanny, jobs that Americans wouldn't take in the first place, they're going too far. And they went too far. That's the constant theme with the Trump administration. He goes too far. So what is the percentage chance that still makes him better during the midterms against people who don't do enough?

It's a referendum on Trump, right? The midterms of Trump versus Trump. You have history, but is Trump versus Trump? And they say the same thing every day. We're going to now focus on the economy because it's about the economy and we're going to focus on the economy. And then they start talking about Greenland again. or Iran again, or I'm not going to fund the Dallas Airport and Penn Station, unless you name it after me. And today, he's not going to complete the bridge from Michigan to Canada because he's made at Canada. It's the drama that is going to elect the Democrats. In November, people are just going to say, enough. calm down. It's too much. There are no checks and balances. The Republican, he does, Trump doesn't even listen to the Republicans. I believe in balance. I believe in the two-party system. And that's why the Democrats are going to win in the midterm. And then they're going to come

with investigations like you have never seen. I was there. What about the fatigue on the investigations in the lawfare? Oh, no, these are going to be. forget lawfare. The first investigation is going to be on the Epstein files, and the Democrats will give people what they want because they'll just hand over all the names. The second will be on the Trump family business activities and how they enrich themselves. And those two issues are going to be very powerful for the American people. Support comes from ethos. Listen, if you want to be an adult, you got to start adulting. And that means taking care of your responsibilities. And that means, especially once you're in the family game, you've got to have life insurance. And I know you roll your eyes, oh, it's expensive, it's tricky.

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I just want to say how much I'm enjoying having the two of you on the show. I wish, I wish, Governor Cuomo could be on every week. Like you have some. Hold on a second. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, all right? There's a lot of trauma. Not you. Not you.

No one's asking for you. You're asking for me. All right. Go ahead. Continue your point, please. Governor, I miss you so much and I was devastated when, when you didn't win. And Dusty kind of stole my thunder. I was going to ask what you thought about this.

storm, snow removal, obviously. It's been a disaster. I agree. But anyway, I just want to say how much I enjoy both of you and I miss you, Governor, and I'll keep watching and listening to you. Have you not heard any of the stories that are, and by the way, what did I tell you? They got your name wrong and then they change it so that they cover themselves with management. Don't change the name after the lady attacks me on air about it. Okay. Can I respond, please? Dina, hold on. No, no, please.

Please mute him, mute him. Can I respond, please? Mute him. Mute him. Dina, thank you very much. Dina, thank you very much. I was devastated to you. I was devastated too when I lost.

My brother was not so devastated when I lost, but that's a different story. But this performance of the snowstorm, not to get in the weeds a little bit, The city had noticed that this was happening. We went through Hurricane Irene, Superstorm, Sandy, all these things. The only time you have an excuse is when you didn't know. The weather forecasters were wrong. They said it was going to be two inches of the snow wind up there being 12 inches. They said it was going to be upstate.

It winds up being downstate. Normally, what happens in a storm like this if you know what you're doing. Yes, the Department of Sanitation flows out. with their plows. But you also hire people who just do the snow removal. You hire private contractors, you hire individuals. They're doing the snow removal. If it gets really bad, the city, the mayor picks up the phone. Hello, Governor. I need some help and some National Guard down here to show the snow. Send some equipment. All right, I got it. He screw up the snowstorm. He screwed it up, all right? Can I finish, please? It's so long. It's so long. Hold,

it was all the Department of Sanitation. And then the Department of Sanitation couldn't be picking up the garbage because they were shoveling the snow. And now you have a buildup of snow and a buildup of garbage and because it was mishandled. I'm sorry. I can tell you this much. I could tell you this much. Andrew absolutely has snow shoveling shoes, special gloves, pants that he likes to wear when he does it and a technique that he would rather die than deviate from when he is clearing any path that i can promise you this man is all about process and execution you think mandami's ever shoveled anything in his entire life he shoveled bullshit you know anyway i got a guy on the phone right now uh who is a huge fan of mine uh he is what is known in my community as a lesser italian

What does that mean? He's small. He doesn't speak the language well, but he's still Italian. Vinny, are you there? Oh, my God. You guys are out of control, man. Out of control. Both of you guys are completely out of control.

Andrew's this guy, money, by the way. Andrews this guy money, just so you know. Excuse me. A little bit, a little bit. But listen, that's besides point. We're still friends. It doesn't matter. But my question is, first of all, Dusty,

Let me give you the illusion what we got going on with Christopher. Okay? He wears... What the hell's going on here today? Children's medium t-shirt. It's not true. This is an X-L. That's an X-L.

Those times are not that big. I put his arm through a table. And Mr. Master Mechanic, I got a question for you. You're a master mechanic. How many vaults does an alternator put out? Depends on the alternator. You're going to have a high-output alternator. You can be a number.

Sure. Are you charging one battery? Charging two batteries. Is it a diesel alternator? Oh, boy. You see, Chris, this is how it happened. Well, I got to tell you, I'm kind of smelling what he's cooking right now, that is true.

It depends on the alternator. What about a regular, what is the alternator in the Corvette on that 350? What is, how many amps does that put out? How many volts? I happen to have installed the high output, Chrome alternator. Oh, you told me to avoid those. You said that they break. Yeah, they all break, but they look great when they're working.

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I mean, this is why I think. All right, but hold on, hold on, Mike. Mike, here's what we don't need to do. And I'm not stopping you. I'm still got you on. You're not, I didn't drop your call. We don't need to go beyond the facts. This is what Bongino did.

This is how Cash Patel and Bongino made all that money. This is how Bongino made rumble into a profit center and made tens of millions of dollars. You don't get to speculate. You can speculate. I don't care about that. But he has no. proof zero that this man was murdered he didn't even discuss what was in the files that he had to know or should have known was in there why because he was always about the bullshit he was always about

the profiteering not about the production of any real proof so we don't know it is it is curious that a high value target like epstein dies in custody it is i agree with you it's weird but that's all it is until we know something else. And these guys, here's the frustrating part. You got rich selling bullshit. They put you in a position of power. You didn't deserve. You then had access to things that you tried to cover up

and you've never been held to account. To me, that is too much. And Bongino, Patel, and Bondi need to explain why they were quiet about what the rest of us are now seeing loud and clear. All right, Diana, you're going to be our last caller today. What do you got? Diana, New York.

Good morning, Chris. How are you? My question is around the new program on News Nation. I guess the host is Katie Pavlick. And I was watching it because I used to be watching News Nation. But I was kind of surprised. I saw when I was on Fox TV when I first listened. Because she seems very one-sided and very much in favor of Trump.

Here's the thing. Here's what makes News Nation different. Okay. I say News Nation is where right and left come to be reasonable. I then shifted that. Why? Because I shouldn't be advancing the paradigm of right and left. We got to get away from it. We have to kill the sides.

Not that we have to kill disagreement, but we have to kill the parties. We have to kill this entrenched structure that as long as one side is worse than the other, that's enough. We have to kill it. So really what News Nation is at its best is, this is through the lens of right and wrong and all voices are welcome Katie Pavlitch is absolutely magafoke and that's okay she's not hiding it she's transparent about it she's authentic about it and I'm okay with that what I'm not okay with is when O'Reilly says

oh no I'm a fair broker oh yeah okay you just happen to talk to Trump every 15 minutes in a way you've never spoken to any Democrat ever in your life but you're not partial to him you give him this same defense that you would give any Democrat bullshit. That's what bothers me. Be authentic, be transparent. Katie is. And I'm okay with that. And I'm happy to have her on the show and debate. My problem is, don't you get pissed off at me for having her on because you believe everything she says is bullshit. Have the conversation. Let it be exposed. See where the strengths and weaknesses are of the position that you oppose. It can only

make you better. If for no other reason, if you don't want to change your mind, at least it lets you change your approach to how you attack your opponent because you understand them better because you listened to them. That's being a critical thinker. That's being different. That's what I want to help engender. Okay. So that's what it is. I don't control News Nation. I control what comes out of my face. That's what I do here in the morning. That's what I do their night. That's what I do with the podcast all the time. The best measure of where we are as a society is hearing from other members of that society in conversation that has some cogency to it, some intelligence, not just, what do you

think about Greenland? It's not about provocation, okay? It's about conversation. That's what we're getting after here on the YouTube channel for the Chris Cuomo project, on News Nation, where I'm doing my cable show, and Sirius XM, Podish Channel, 24 for Cuomo in the mornings. Bon Appetit.