The Chris Cuomo Project - Chris Cuomo CHALLENGES the AOC Deepfake Narrative

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Chris Cuomo responds to a new round of listener calls and viewer comments, including allegations of Donald Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein, questions about sanctions on Russia, and concerns from veterans about the state of the VA. He also addresses faith-driven messages, criticism over an AOC deepfake post, and comments on his interviews with Tucker Carlson, Benny Johnson, and Matt Taibbi. Cuomo reflects on charges of bias, the misuse of the word “woke,” and why civil dialogue matters in today’s politics. He also revisits his longstanding interest in UFO transparency, weighing in on government secrecy and the push for accountability. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Support our sponsors: http://www.kalshi.com?utm_source=chriscuomo Go to https://surfshark.com/cuomo and use code cuomo at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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a voicemail, and they have been leaving lots of voicemails over this past month. You love them very much. Isn't it nice to get the vox pop, the people's voice? That's what they call. It's like an industry term. Isn't that what Twitter is for now? Don't we not need it anymore? Yeah, but this feels less anonymous because you can hear somebody's voice, and I see their

name, you know? Really? So what do you got? Let's hear it. All right. Here's the first. I'm sure it's all very nice. Hey, Chris, Brian from out with Tuki.

Just listen to your show, great show. Something I haven't heard you say, and I haven't heard a lot of people say about Epstein. It's not about the book. I believe you. You're right. There's not this magical list that's going to show all these names. But the one thing nobody's saying is that Trump was complicit. There's too many fires and smoke out there that shows the connection between them to, them being friends, everything. That Trump was complicit.

You can't prove it, but I think what's in those files would show that just how much Trump was around him and other people that would show that he was complicit, that he knew about it, didn't say anything, and why. and it's going to make it look bad. So just my thoughts. I would love to hear your comment. Thanks. Okay. One, thank you. Two, I don't see it the same way.

I don't believe that Trump is covering up for Epstein because of him being complicit. Why? Well, he surrounded himself with people who are conspiracists about Epstein. and he would have been crazy to do that if he was worried about this. I think the conspiracies about Russia and where he got his money after all the bankruptcies and Deutsche Bank and what Putin knows. I actually think that has more to it, although I'm not a big buyer of that notion anyway of Russia has something on Trump.

As someone who's learning about being a firefighter, you know what smoke means? Where there's smoke, there's fire. where there is smoke there is a byproduct of combustion okay fire maybe maybe not but it's where you've had the kinetic thermal energy um make a difference on the potential chemical energy in a substance why am i torturing this metaphor because i think it's an apt one smoke is sometimes just a function of what you're making heat out of. Okay? And the smoke is that you are picking on the smallest things about Epstein

and the mythology of a list and the, you know, the kind of the psychological play of going after the rich and entitled to get away with bad things and what's worse than messing with children. And this is proof of it and they're covering it up and we're going to blow it up and destroy the system and expose all the people. That's all very appetizing.

It's also very exaggerated in this instance about what Epstein was about. It seems like it was about a scumbag with a bunch of friends who may have known that he was a scumbag and may not. But the idea that they were clients or participants, I'm not seeing it. And again, sometimes smoke is just the function of not the fire of legitimacy, but the literal combustion of just all the drama that's being made about something. Mr. Palmer, I am a veteran that lives in New Jersey and just retired from Brooklyn Veterans Administration at Fort Hamilton. What is being done or pushback about this administration dismantling the union in the federal government of the Veterans Administration? You're taking away services and protection from veterans. has given their life working in these buildings.

My name is Wayne. I would like to speak to you about this issue about the veterans affair that is being dismantled by this administration that people like myself that have put their life on the line for this country. Thank you for your service. Thank you for being concerned. Thank you for coming to me. You are right.

And you are worthy and I appreciate you. now is the VA being dismantled no um is it being messed with arguably uh the VA has gotten a lot of a negative attention in recent years mostly deserved um and we don't it's a great way of looking at how we do what we say matters which is taking care of you guys who have taken care of us and the VA is better than or it's not as bad or does more for more people than a lot of other health systems. But clearly it's not what we need it to be in all instances. But I don't think it's fair about the, you know, their questions, concerns about the future, about the direction of the VA and facility closures and private sector involvement. But it's not being dismantled. And it's not like

this administration has a hard on for hurting veterans. I don't think that's true. Now, what they're doing for veterans may be exaggerated, but, you know, I think it was a few years ago you had a bipartisan group of senators who kind of like got together and started messing with the people who oversee the VA because it's seen as being inefficient.

And we definitely have to do better and people talk about how much you guys mean more than they act on it. And you're right to be pissed off and you're right to be scared. What's the solution? I don't think the solution is to say this administration hates the veterans because of what they're doing. It's how does it get done better? Where are the deficiencies in the service, in the services, and what can be done about it? We don't have that conversation.

We just have boogeyman conversations about who's to blame. And that's why nothing gets better. Oh, Chris, Bob from Clark, I wish Trump would have put the big sanctions on Putin and said they'll be removed when there's a peace deal. And this way, there's no pressure on Putin right now. He can continue doing what he's doing. Thanks. So, could Trump be playing hardball more with Putin? Yes.

why isn't he? I don't know. Now, that is an excuse for many to say, oh, come on, you know why. Putin's got something on them. I don't know that. And I think running with a false narrative that just sounds good or makes half sense is not the right way to do it. We have America, Trump specifically in his administration, have put a lot of pressure on Putin economically to the extent. that he feels any of it, right? Because he doesn't give his shit about his people. But if you look at just their oil exports, right, it's a huge deal. I forget who it was. Maybe it was McCain, but somebody called Russia like a gas station with nukes. That was McCain, yeah, or something. A gas station masquerading is a country. Yeah, something like that. But because of the tariffs, because of the sanctions, crude oil exports, for instance, to India, which was huge for them, right? India, China and also Europe, but have plunged three. threefold in recent weeks because of the restrictions on the tariffs. And that matters. The crude has fallen literally almost 300%. They were at over a million barrels a day and now they're at around 400,000. So why? Well, because the EU ban the purchase of fuels refined from Russian crude and introduced restrictions on their energy.

conglomerate. And India's conglomerate, Naira, I think it's called N-A-Y-A-R-A, is part owned by Russia's state oil giant, Rosneft, that's it, Rosneft. And so they're putting pressure on it. And the pressure that he put on Indian goods that use Russian oil made a difference. So they are doing things that may be making a difference. Is it enough? Clearly not. But I can't just blame the administration for that. It is not America's place to have the secret sauce of how to end every foreign conflict.

Yes, Trump promised he could end it in a day. All right. So, you know, he's getting beat up for his own mouth. Okay, fine. But it doesn't change the solution proposition. It is hard to get a guy to make peace when he benefits from war. and they are doing certain things that take away that benefit, but Trump, you know,

doesn't have the ability to get Putin out of office unless he kills them. And I don't think that's what you want, is it? Hey, Chris, look, I don't mean to sound offensive, but this is just what I feel. And listen, I wrote it down so I could say it properly, okay? I'm just going to read it. You can't be a little bit Jesus. either you are or you're not.

And if you say Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, there's no in between. There's not Jesus with a twist. And we're talking about some beautiful people in your family. And I think that if the word was applied in their lives, I'm telling you, mountains would move. Mountains, because we're talking about some beautiful people. and this is just an opinion we need to bring community together and I think that lunch is so wonderful

and such a beautiful thing and have your brother maybe think about Jersey is a great place have lunch with Jack talk about community talk about the police department talk about bringing everybody together because that's what we need to do

we need to bring people together because that's what Christ did and tell your family members to look up John 831 I'm telling you mountains will move they'll move you may think I'm nuts guess what I could give two shits less because I stand up for Christ God bless you thank you for your concern um okay so a few things to unpack here I don't really know who you're talking about the beautiful women I mean we do have some beautiful women in the family um but here's my first caution live your

faith, do not demand it of others, okay? Live your faith. You be all JC all the time, no half measures, no with a twist. You do that. You do you. And let us see it. And that's the best that you can do. You telling me how to live means nothing. You showing me how you live means something. So focus on that. You want to bring people together. Don't make them have to be followers of Christ. That is the opposite of building community. Okay? It's certainly not what Jesus did, right? So, um, with that caveat, I do believe that we need to build community again, because the money, the advantage is in division and breaking us apart. And it's worked very, very well for the two sides and not well for every one of us in between them.

Nice job on the AOC thing. That is very good. That is very good. That's like a 15 second sustained laugh. It's a very good fake laugh, okay? I give it to you. You win. Here's the instructive point, okay?

I treat Twitter the way everybody else does, okay? I'm just scrolling through doing the minimum, okay? It's not my show on News Nation. It's not the podcast. And it's not something that's a function of research. I'm making excuses for having fallen for such an obvious, it's not even the right criticism that I fell for a deep fake. I didn't watch the video.

I saw the headline on the post that AOC says Sidney Sweeney is racist or whatever and it sounded so much like something that she would say that I assumed it was true now is that a mistake of course it's a mistake is it wrong that I did that of course it's wrong I do find it I guarantee you this fuck nut that just left me this message I guarantee you I look at his social media I'd find him advancing all kinds of stuff that's not true Why? Because that's how political propagandists and people who cater to the fringe and the gotcha contest tend to be. Now, does that mean I'm supposed to be better? Yeah, it does. But you got to judge it by outlet. You know, when I'm talking about sports, I'm not the same person as I am when I'm talking about policing in Washington, D.C. So, look, I apologized to AOC in the moment and I deleted the post, by the way. Even though the part that you're forgetting, Mr. the yappy, happy, laughy, is she never answered my questions. Okay, you didn't say that about Sidney Sweeney.

Okay, you also haven't called on Hamas to surrender. Why? That's what ends the conflict. You don't give a shit about that. You're not laughing about that, right? Because you don't care about the right things. So you can laugh all you want. You're the fucking joke.

Next. Hi, Chris Cromwell. This is Elliot Raising in New Orleans. I'm 97 years old, and I want to wish you a happy birthday. And I want you to know that I have underwear that's older than you. All right, first of all, that's impressive. You should not have 55-year-old underwear. Maybe if it's a special kind of silk, worn very rarely and treated very delicately.

But if we're talking about tidy whitties, you got to do better. 97 years old. The underwear could also be, you know, in the 90s, not just a 55-year-old pair of underwear. It could be 97-year-old. He said I have underwear that's older than you. Yeah, yeah. That means that he would have to have underwear from before the 70s. Yeah. I'm saying it could, you know, from the 90s as in it is 90 years old, not from the 1990s. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm saying it could be very aged underwood. Probably, yeah. I mean, it may be a onesie. Think of what that underwear has seen. the internet and felt and felt yeah and witnessed yeah both earthquakes uh and earthquakes um look i love uh underwear i love an old uh an old guy i love somebody who's been through it i respect it and i appreciate it it's nice of you to wish me well uh for my birthday it is uh the only extremeness uh the only extreme is um we should be dealing with in our society's extreme kindness and we are really far from that. We're a bunch of nasty bastards, but not you.

And I appreciate it. And I wish I had your address. I would send you some underwear. Yikes. Oh, new underwear. Used? There's those vending machines in Japan where you can get, like, used up panties, you know? Used panties?

Yeah. But they clean them, don't they? No, I think it's for like perverts. Oh, really? Yeah, man. It's disgusting. Well, to each his own. No.

I've never been to Japan, so don't look at me. Not to each his own. If you want someone's dirty underwear, you're fucked up. Okay, that's not a thing. That's not like, oh, I like having my toes sucked or some shit. That's a fetish. I don't think smelling dirty underwear that belongs to someone you don't know, that's not a good thing.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but there's a lot. People like to get peed on. Scat is a thing. I don't think it's a good thing. Burecera sells girls use school uniforms, panties, other fetish items. Listen, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying it's a bad thing. People eat people, right?

Cool. People have a perverse sexual interest in infants. I mean, there's all kinds of disgusting shit. It doesn't mean that it should be mainstreamed. I think you can make an argument for eating people to be mainstream. No. No, you can't. Well, like, anybody's a scroof-green.

It's made of people. Yeah, yeah, too many people, you know, I don't know. Bird Lancaster. Okay. Is that who that was? No, it's Charlton Heston. Has to? Yeah. Great content. They're not the same guy.

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Have you seen Zardaz? Yes. Zardaz is pretty good. Yeah, that's all right. Sean Connery. He's got like, most of the movie, it's just like him and his underwear and like a bandolier. Zardaz means Wizard of Oz.

You've seen it. These people haven't seen it. YouTube comments. Matt Taibi's episode, Eric Pullian, 1,816, writes, Matt is nothing but a propagandist who wants people not to believe what they see with their own eyes or hear with their own ears.

I disagree. Is Matt pushing a little hard on how media companies can't be trusted yeah um i think he's i think he's pushing out a little hard um a lot hard actually but i i kind of get it and even if i don't agree with it i get why he's doing it but i don't think that makes his reporting uh less credible uh is it a little slippery slope a little but only a little and i think a lot of what he's putting out there are legitimate questions the degree to which they matter or how they inform the situation, there's something subjective about that. And you can have your opinion about his suggestion. And you may think it's too much, but I do not think

he's a propagandist. Kathy, Kathy, Graphics, 4,486 just commented on your relatively recent Tucker Carlson interview. She writes, there's one thing I totally respect here. It's the fact that those two people with a lot of different ideas are able to exchange respectfully. So refreshing. Well, a lot of people disagree with you. I just happened to not be one of them. How can you talk with him? He's an anti-Semite. He now hates Trump or he loves Trump or he hates this. Look, I don't know what's in his heart and often what's in his head.

I don't believe, unless I'm dealing with somebody that I honestly do believe is a bigot. I don't think that disagreeing about things means that you have to be a jerk. to who they are. I don't think it serves your arguments well. I don't think it, it serves your humanity well. And by the way, it's not something that I do well enough often enough. But the complete rejection of it is really more of proof of how troubled we are than people seeing the right way to be. And I look, I don't think the remedy is what Pierce Morgan is doing either, where you put these boxes up and everybody yells at each other every night. It's a throwback to what cable used to be, which is just heat, not light.

I really want more light, not heat. Actually, to that point, your recent interview with Benny Johnson actually got a lot of similar comments. Lots of people commenting on this episode. Pastor David Collins wrote, This was a great discussion. I believe firmly that we should be willing and able to have civil conversations like this. I loved how you slowed the conversation down to show Benny

how many things you agree on. One of the biggest problems we face in modern politics is the push to extremism. Many Americans live in the middle and have lots in common. Great stuff. I'll be transparent that I almost didn't watch this one because I saw Benny on, but I'm glad I did. Thanks so much for doing what you do. So look, thank you for taking the time to process it.

A lot of people are criticizing me for having Benny on because he's a MAGA guy. Look, or more importantly, look, I understand that. I don't agree, but I understand it. What I don't understand is how you think it makes me MAGA to have, you know, they hate me you know that right these pod bros they talk about me all the time it's always disparaging and i have to tell you something they are not like that when i meet them and i think that's important you know we overlook that sometimes you'll hear somebody say yeah when i met him he wasn't like that'd be like yeah well okay that's because in person that's because in person what

in person people are nice where do you think they fake it i think they fake it when you're not around because there's ownership and accountability when you're in person. Why? Because I'm going to put this part of my skull through your nose? No. No. But I do think there's a chance of it. And I think that matters, especially between men.

And I think a lot of these people are performers. And I'll tell you what. Okay? And I hope that you guys take this and you use it. I have been wrong about things much more so in my personal life than in my professional life. but being wrong about things doesn't make you a bad person and even if you do bad things you could argue well that makes you a bad person well it depends

do you only do bad things everybody is a mixture and we are making a mistake of this absolutist notion that we have with me or against me. And I'm telling you, we're getting more and more extreme with it because that's what they want. That's what the two sides want is constant friction where everything is weaponized and everything is with or against or good or bad.

It works for them, not for us. From your episode where you gave Mr. Trump a grade on his first six months in office, Hella Kuab, 8,166, writes, Cuomo seems to be bending over backwards to appear fair and balanced. First of all, you should be bending over backwards to appear fair and balanced. That's what being fair and balanced is, is making an effort to be balanced and fair. Now, I'll tell you what's interesting.

Benny Johnson said that I gave Trump an A for his administration. No, I didn't. But he saw, see, this is the problem. Somebody took one grade that we gave him. know what we gave me an a minus for when there was like eight different categories the thumbnail was an f right but whatever it was they used it for their own purpose which is quomo's a maga guy so now i can't tell you how many guests have said oh is quamo turned towards trump well first of all i don't have a side except your side i'm not a maga guy i can't believe i have to say that i'm not a socialist

i'm not a democrat i can't believe i have to say these things okay i register as a democrat for one fucking reason it's the vote for people in my family all right now do i think democrats are better than republican depends on who and when okay do i think socialists are better than capitalists no and if the socialists wind up being what the left is about and capitalism winds up being about the right they're going to win a lot of elections in this country okay the democratic party of my father is not the democratic party of today they are not fighting for working men and women where they find them in this country and in the situations they're in. They are trying to shoehorn their interests into their own agenda of very elite, very privileged,

very woke politics. Now, I have heard you about using the word woke. I do understand the origination of the word. I don't have to be a black person to be able to Google where did woke come from and understand its role within the suffrage and the black equity movement, okay? And I do think it was appropriated by white people and a lot of them on the right and made into a thing. I think that's true. I also think there was opportunity given to those critics and opponents to do so. But I should be careful about how I use it. You're right. Does it apply in the way I just used it? Yeah. But a lot of things that people call woke, I think, are actually very important pursuits for our society.

And I do not like what's happening with our revisionist history about slavery as if it somehow wasn't as bad as we thought it was. White people have co-opted the entire narrative the entire time. That is not a good practice for history. To have only the people who perpetrated a problem. And yes, of course, there were non-white actors within slavery. yes there were players in african tribal life that were people who sold their own and all that yes yes yes so what so what the idea that we want to just point blame in just one simple direction all the

time or in the alternative if it gets any more complicated than that which of course it is because everything is that therefore it means that we've been wrong about it all the time it's the same shit guys do about the holocaust well i don't know about six million Look, it was either fucking terrible or it wasn't. It was wrong or it wasn't. Okay? Six million, two million. Wrong.

Okay. Slaves whipped ten times, whipped five times. Wrong. Okay? For this last one, this is a very different subject. This is about your interview with George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell and UFO coverups and such. Kierplunk, 9,434 writes, Yeah, it's either ETs or demonic entities controlling this narrative.

And Dustin Butler-K-H-2X-L says, UFO, those are fallen angels. Jesus is real. Turn to him before too late. Okay. Again, live it. Don't tell me to live it. Show me. Don't tell me.

Okay? You do yourself nor anyone else any good by telling them to turn to. toward Jesus. You show that you have turned toward Jesus with your words and your actions. That is all. Okay? Now, UFOs, I don't know what they are because they won't tell us what they know. And for me, the story begins and ends with one word, transparency. Transparency. And this is something you've talked about for a very long time with your interest in the UFO issue. It's not about little green men, as you've said. It's about transparency with the government.

And I am constantly all over the Internet as being someone who believes in UFOs. What's happened to Cuomo? Well, first of all, a quick fuck you to those who have the arrogance to believe that only planet Earth achieved carbon-based existence. Nobody else. Nothing else anywhere. even though every time Neil deGrasse Tyson tells us that they understand the size of the universe a little differently, it's because it's bigger. So I don't have that degree of arrogance. And by the way, it's not like we're killing it in terms of the perfection of life so much that it is unfathomable that it may exist anywhere else in any other way.

I don't have that arrogance. That said, I also have absolutely no proof of that. And I don't believe that they have little green men in a basement. I don't believe any of that. I believe that government is no longer trusted and they need to regain trust and transparency is a great way to do that. And I don't accept that your ability to criticize me changes that analysis. See, what happens is because your people are in power in a given moment, when someone calls on them to be more or better, you attack them and say, Cuomo, you suck. You're not transparent.

You didn't really have COVID. you weren't really in the basement. You weren't really this. You weren't really that. It's all bullshit, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't change what I'm saying. Back to my AOC example. I should have watched the video. I would have seen it as an obvious deep fake. It's not like I didn't get that it's a deep fake. That fucker in the New York Times op-ed uses me as proof that we don't know what's real anymore. What are you talking about? I didn't even watch it. It was just the thumbnail because it sounded like something she would say. But that's what people do. People weaponize everything today. The New York Times is absolutely. absolutely on the list of entities with an agenda. And they better change that outfit real fast or it's going to wind up dying real soon. Now, that said, AOC didn't want to tell me, she wanted to jump on me for a layup, right, which made all of you happy. Cuomo got it right. AOC is right. Is she right to not call on Hamas to surrender?

What about that? She doesn't even have to answer it? Because I was wrong about a deep fake. She doesn't even have to answer it. What are you laughing about? This was supposed to be a transition to a light bit for the sponsor. Everything is related. I'm sure it is.

Keep going. Keep going. So what is the trans? What do we segue to? The alien conversation was for Kalshi. Because at Kalshi, I sent you the thing earlier. What does Kalshi tell us? So here's why I like working with them.

I like how they phrase propositions because it gives me a different feel for what the pivot is, you know, what the fulcrum is, what is the balancing of these interests here? And when people are acting with their money, I think you can take them a little bit more seriously, you know? So where are they on the UFO thing? Well, their question is, will the U.S. say that aliens exist this year? No. The rule summary is if the president, any member of the cabinet, any member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or any U.S. U.S. federal agency definitively states that extraterrestrial life or technology exists before

January 1st, 2026, then the market resolves to yes. Okay. So here is the really interesting aspect of that. I said no very quickly. Why? Because of life. But what other word did they throw in there? Technology. Will you hear someone in our government? Now, who has to be ahead of an agency? Joint chiefs, cabinet, president, any U.S. federal agency. I think I would bet yes on this because someone's going to say there is technology that we cannot source and we do not have. And someone's going to ask the question. Are you saying it could come from somewhere else?

I'm saying I don't know where it's from, but we don't have it and we haven't seen it before. This says definitively states that extraterrestrial life technology. But that's the genius of it. They're not going to be able to say where it comes from. They're going to say we don't have it and we haven't seen it. before. Must be Mars. Well, I don't know. What I mean? It probably means in all likelihood it's a private or governmental outside concern that developed it and is testing it around us. So, but I don't know if that would qualify, but what are the numbers? Four percent? Four percent chance.

And it hit a 21 back in January. I think the definitive is because you're, you're creating a premise. I would love to know how they formulate these questions, by the way. There's a real. genius to it um that it's definitive that it's extraterrestrial i don't know how they can say that so you probably wind up the you know that's why it's a 4% well there's a great thumbnail they have of mr trump shaking hands with uh one of the aliens here you see that one of them one of the contingent wow they're big it must be a trade deal no hair though huh uh not on any of them i think uh trump's got a rug no he doesn't have a rug it's like a weave or something i don't think it's a rug i it's it's like it's like surgically you know attached like a like a Barbie doll well listen I care look I

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