The Chris Cuomo Project - Chris Cuomo Responds to Viewers Fed Up With Both Parties

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Chris Cuomo responds to a new round of listener calls and viewer comments, including reactions to Donald Trump’s “I hate my opponents” remark, criticism of his take on Jimmy Kimmel’s removal from air, and debate over the killing of Charlie Kirk. Callers question whether Citizens United has corrupted politics, argue that both parties have failed, and challenge Chris on his views about outrage and decency in the media. Cuomo reflects on his firing from CNN, the influence of social media algorithms, and why so much political commentary now thrives on anger instead of honesty. He also addresses confusion surrounding the Epstein files, responds to listeners who say he’s changed politically, and closes with a Morse-coded message from a viewer calling for peace. Support our sponsors: You can go to my sponsor http://aura.com/cuomo to try 14 days for free. That’s enough time for Aura to start scrubbing your personal info off these data broker sites, without you lifting a finger.Get seafood you can trust. Go to http://www.wildalaskan.com/CUOMO for $35 off your first box of premium, wild-caught seafood.Go to http://cozyearth.com/CHRIS for up to 20% off! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with the redoubtable producer, Gregory Ott. What do you got? Lots of calls that you won't doubt or redoubt. What does redoubtable mean? Redoubtable means that you are the real deal. Yes, that's true. Okay, I'm the real deal. I am the real producer.

And these are real calls from people calling into the show. We'll start with those. Chris, hey, long time fan. I put you right up there with Ted and Walter. But you're just plain wrong. Chris. I don't know why you're always sticking up for our idiot president. Like tonight, for instance, you're saying that the president was joking when he says he hates when he was given his speech. No, he wasn't joking. That is him. That is the real him. And he keeps getting

away with it over and over. People just keep saying, that's just Trump being Trump. That is a real Trump. And I really wish you wouldn't say he was joking. He was not joking, Chris. Anyway, thanks. Keep up the good work. If I'm not mistaken, the thing he's talking about was the Trump speech where... He said I hate my enemies. Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica forgives her enemies. I don't. Why do I say he's joking?

Well, one, he said he was joking. Two, it did come across as if he were joking. Three, very often in a joke, there is some truth. And I do think he absolutely hates his enemies. and I think he is also not really a Christian in terms of living it the way people would suggest that one should. And that's okay. We're all flawed. We're all flailing. But the point is, I am not a defender of the president. I am a defender of decency. Okay. I go at the president and this administration every fucking night when it's called for. Do I ignore certain things?

Yeah, why? Because I'd talk about nothing else except what they fucked up with. And I know for some of you, that's all you want. That's why certain social media platforms and certain influencers on the left are popping now. Their reach is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and they're getting into the millions and that's so good for their bottom line. But I don't know that it's good for the country because it creates this silo or bubble or whatever metaphor effect you want of a limitation

on what you take in. Here's another reason Trump sucks. Here's another reason that they're corrupt. Here's another reason that they're Nazis. Here's another reason is that. Where does it get us? They have been weighed and measured. You know who and what these people are.

Okay? Is that what you're going to do all through the midterms? And you think you're going to win back the House of Representatives? By not offering the majority in this country who are not in your fucking bubble? nothing that makes their life better except what maybe getting rid of all these people? That's not going to happen.

Better ideas, better solutions, competence, showing that by comparison, you are a better choice for them and their families. How do you do that? Be on the right side of 80, 20, stupid cultural issues that don't even really matter, instead of seeming to defend the most perverse, crazy things, and fighting for what does matter and having better ideas. The shutdown's a

perfect example. Cutting Medicaid for the people who need the subsidies, who are in large percentage MAGA voters, is not the way to justify the tax cut. It's bad policy. And I believe the left has high ground on that. But they're not arguing it the right. right way, and they're not cleaning up the things that need to be cleaned up within that framework. So they're giving the Republicans an out. And now we're stuck in something that's all about who's worse instead of how to make things better. I'm no defender. I'm a defender of our decency. This is just an editorial note. He says Jimmy Kimmel, but the audio cuts out, but that's what he's talking about here. Hi, Chris, you know, you used to be one of my heroes, man. But if you really

think that did you think was a business decision. I just, I don't know what to say. I used to agree with everything that you said. I don't know where you can. I don't know what happened. I guess you're worried about Trump taking you off the air. Anyway, you probably won't even hear this, but you were a mentor and you were a hero. And I just don't know where your mind on as far as that's And, sir. All right. First of all, thank you for like the half compliment. But even if I were dead wrong on this and you're right, it just erases everything you've ever thought about me ever before until now. What did I just say? I want to eat babies? Is that what I just said? I mean, come on, man. Don't be so fucking zero-sum. So, you know, all in on things. And not don't say, yeah, I'm all in on truth. This is this so. media toxicification of your critical thinking, that, you know, you don't just scroll, love, hate, love, hate, love, hate. Even if you were right, and I'm wrong on this one, it just completely changes everything

for you. It's way too fucked up, okay? Second, I'm not wrong. You have no proof that the FCC chair said what he said to Benny Johnson, you know, and a stupid podcast to the head of Disney or the station group that had the ABC stations or to ABC proper. You have no proof. And the head of Disney and the head of the station group say they never had communication

with him about it. So you're saying they're liars and that something happened that you can't prove because you heard him say it on the podcast. Now, if your argument is, well, he said it on the podcast and that's what made it happen. I don't accept that. That is not critical thinking. Is it possible? Yeah, it's possible.

And then why did they refute it? Well, because they have a deal that they want to get done before this government, just like Paramount. That's why ABC settled on the Stephanopolis thing. That's why 60 Minutes settled. That's why YouTube just settled. That's a better argument. That's a better argument. And if this were a president with scruples that led him in a direction of something other than

advantage, He would want nothing to do with litigation like this because it looks like blackmail. Make that case. But the idea that you know for a fact it wasn't a business decision, even if I'm wrong, I'm still right because even if it's about them wanting to buy the station group, even if it's about them not wanting or not wanting to be blackmailed or blackballed by Trump, it's still a business decision. Because they're doing what's better for their business to buy their stations or to

to do whatever it is they want to do, the merger, or whatever it is. Now, do I think all that's wrong? Yeah, I do. But it doesn't make my analysis wrong. They were making a business decision. Whether they were making that business decision for good reason or bad reason is a separate question. And even if my analysis is off, I'm not hiding from fucking anything.

Okay? I work at the place that is owned by the place that took Jimmy Kimmel off. and I said I didn't like that he was taken off but it was a business decision not a First Amendment violation unless we have proof of state action and I don't have it I just have the FCC guy

saying it to Benny Johnson when asked if he told that to them directly he said no and the heads of both of the places said no what am I supposed to just ignore the fucking facts because I don't like them seems like that's what you're asking me to do and I think the larger point is here that I don't like

going all in on something for effect. I know that works on social media. I don't think it works for our society. I mean, just look at how you say, oh, I used to think you were a mentor. I used to think you were the now. Because I said one fucking thing you disagree with. Come on, brother. I don't give a fuck what you think about me at the end of the day. That's your choice. But, I mean, have a better basis. You know, I mean, just so if your friend screws up one time, you're never friends with them again. I don't believe that. You sound like a decent guy. You sound like a guy who cares deeply. I respect that and I appreciate you for it.

But, you know, feel out the context, man. Feel where I'm coming from and why I'm coming from there. And then you judge. Hi, Chris. This is Patrick from San Diego, California. And I enjoy watching the show on your podcast. I do think you're calling up the wrong tree and one account on your demonization of the party system. I think the real issue is that we need new leaders on voting.

sides. They failed us over and over again, and we need a whole new cast of people in there to stop this ridiculousness. The party system isn't going to change it. Going independent isn't going to change that. Anyway, my thoughts. I think going independent can change it. I do think you need new people, but it ain't the players. It's the game. If I could change one thing in society, what I would change, and I don't know how to do this exactly, but what I would change, magic Wanda, Citizens United is a death sentence for our democracy. Now, in rereading the opinion recently, I can't say that it's a shitty opinion. I could have said that about Roe v. Wade, that they were kind of arguing something that

didn't really exist through precedent, even though I liked the outcome and still do. I believe in reproductive rights. And I believe that they should be in the domain of the person whose body it is. And I do not accept that from conception, a set of cells or then a zygote or a fetus or a baby is a person in the eyes of the law, certainly early on. I don't accept that. That's my opinion. Well, what else could it be a cactus? No, I didn't say it's not going to be a person if, you know, everything goes right and it's born and healthy.

But, I mean, it's just inconsistent. We know that at the end of life, people can lose the legal attachments of rights of being a person, right? Because they're no longer accomplicementists and somebody else has to make legal decisions for them. But that doesn't apply to the beginning. So to me, reproductive rights should be the domain of the person whose body we're talking about. My larger point is that the game, not the players, okay? Citizens United, these tech bros aren't getting regulated. We're not having even playing field in the media because the money. It's all the money.

Even if you guys are right about Israel having a stranglehold on America, you know why? Because we're for sale. Because it's legal. The most dangerous money in our politics is legal. because of Citizens United. It made money, speech. And I hate that. But I can't say I hate it because legally it makes no sense.

I can't say that. But I do believe that we need legislation that challenges it. And then someone like a Trump who has control over the court, which I think he does, which is really depressing. I am so wrong. But I do think he does. to make them approve getting rid of Citizens United. Now, I don't know that doing it that way

wouldn't be a bigger travesty than Citizens United itself because it sounds so corrupt, even as I'm saying it. But that's what's killing us. If you don't change that, it doesn't matter who's playing. Because if they want to be successful playing, they're going to have to play by the rules of the game and the rules suck.

I've never heard somebody lay that out, actually. Like, the actual way to get rid of Citizens United, Like, you think it would take somebody like a president who has control of everything to basically ram that through, you know, Congress or whatever. Like, there's no popular way of doing it of like, oh, the states have voted on this and blah, blah, but, you know, that you're saying that like it would take a real force of will to. Well, here's the problem. New York decides this rule sucks. We're going to have our own rule for money in our state. Now you sue.

and say you are contravening federal law and you win because citizens united now or it appeals up through the ranks and citizens united gets overturned because as we have now learned what I've always known as a lawyer stare decisis is bullshit nothing is settled law as long as they decide to settle it again Thomas said this the other day uh in in like Yeah, I mean, he's old enough now and losing it enough that he told the truth. He's like my mother. You know what I mean? You know, you were never the best-looking one.

You know, this is when you get old, sometimes you lose filters, you know. Sometimes it's bad. Sometimes it's good. But so they could change the decision. And in doing that, that would be amazing. But you would need companion legislation also. You've got to get rid of Pax. All this.

I don't know who's given the money and you can give as much as you want. Of course the rich are going to win. Now, always? No, Trump won with less money, but he got a lot of free media in 2016. You see populist movements that are, that upset campaigns, no matter how much money they have as an advantage because votes matter more than money at the end of the day. But in general, they totally corrupt the process. And they absolutely corrupt the legislative process because they're lobbying. they're throwing money into the packs.

So I don't give it to you because they're limits. But the pact, it just happens to be very good to you at campaign time. I just gave $50 million to. Yeah, I remember when Ted Cruz was running a while ago, like two hours of B-roll of him just hanging out with this family just happened to have been leaked, not leaked, but placed in a place online. Oh, well, this pack happened to find this URL that had all this video footage that was perfect for an ad showing Ted Cruz having dinner with his lovely family.

Like, it's this, like, this completely, it's like that, when you have one of those, like, Japanese walls. It's like, it's, like, made of paper or whatever. It's like, it's opaque. It's very opaque, but, like, clearly, oh, no, we've put something up here. They could clearly not see it. And just like, yeah, I see exactly what's going on. Yeah, to me, it's like, you know, so you get these guys, you know, they're running for office, their friends are running the pack. But they don't coordinate.

Right, they have no idea. I mean, look, and again, I'm not saying they're all dirty. This is the game, and the game sucks. So, you need all new leaders. Yeah, great. If you have AOC in there, if she's your leader, is she going to make things better? Far left, lightning rod of antagonism for your opponents and for a lot of people in the country. She has never passed a piece of meaningful legislation.

She has never run anything in her life, okay? And all she does well is what? Raise money. That's what she does well. You got to take the money out of the game. Support comes from Aura. How do you feel about data brokers? Making billions, selling your information without your consent.

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data broker sites. All right, I'm not going to leave myself vulnerable. I'm not going to do that to my family. You shouldn't either. This is a batch of comments and calls that have to do with the murder of Charlie Kirk. For reference, Kirk, I'd just like to express that he would not want that boy put to death. He was against abortion as a Catholic, and he's going to be against state-sponsored execution murder is murder state-sponsored murder which just like abortion people that follow God does not want murder connection anyway my name's frank and i'm calling from southeast iowa bye i agree i don't know about charlie i never spoke to him about that but there has always been a fundamental hypocrisy at play for conservatives, they're in favor of the death penalty,

but not reproductive rights. Why? Well, because one is innocent and one is not. Oh, and that's for you to decide? I thought only God decided. I think it's a bad social instruction. I don't think it works to reduce crime. I think it's just an instrument of vengeance, which is why Trump loves it. You know, it's just harshness as strength. That's what it is. It's an instruction in brutality. Now, I also believe that's exactly who we are, by the way. The whole Christian patina thing doesn't work for me. I know you have, let's say, 50% of the country says that they're Christian and whatever it is, 60%, whatever it is. Yeah, but only like 5%.

I don't know what the number is, but it's like only a small slice actually live that way. There's so many mean people with a crucifix after their name who say bullshit and traffic and bullshit and act in a way that doesn't pass any WWJD lipness test. and they know it. Oh, but as long as I say, I'm sorry on Sunday, it's all forgiven. I don't believe in that. And I don't know what Charlie would want. And I just think the whole situation sucks. I think the message of his widow was really powerful about forgiveness, especially because it's so forgotten in our society. No one forgives. There is no love of mercy. You say you want an apology, but you only want it to rub in somebody's face and play it to advantage. You don't forgive.

shit and you want forgiveness and I think we're in a really bad place and I don't know what Charlie would have wanted but I do know that there is a consistency to your opinion and conservatives have been way too slow in making the accommodation and the connection that you are I would like you to address the fact that over the last 36 hours I have received six fund-raising requests from Turning Point USA, expressing their grief over Charlie's assassination, which we can all agree is horrible, but yet they're trying to fundraise off of it. I find that incredibly repulsive. I'd love to hear you address that.

Thank you. Makes complete sense to me. This is the time to raise money. This is the time to get new chapters. This is the time to use that. I mean, this is an advocacy. group. This is about doing whatever you can and using whatever you can to spread the message. What should be distasteful should begin and end with the murder. What did you think they were

going to do? This is what organizations do. And I guess you could see it as opportunistic, but they are looking for the opportunity. What better way in his widow's mind to honor her husband than the legacy of what he cared about most in his life, which was turning to Point USA. I'm not surprised by it at all. What surprises me is the reaction to that, not turning point raising money. I get it. I get why that doesn't feel good. I get you on that. But I gave you another perspective on that. But how people are bothered by Erica Kirk and what she said and how she said it in her style and how all this lionizing of Charlie and enshrining him and his beliefs. I mean, you know, it's wrong that he was murdered, but at the same time, that's what pisses me off.

If you want to talk about his ideas, now I don't accept this paradigm when it's a school shooting. When it's a school shooting, it's a time to talk about why we have school shootings, okay? When he is murdered, it is time to talk about why people like this get murdered. But part of that conversation to me, there is no way to explain or mitigate this. the murder because you didn't like his ideas. Okay? The bar for that, to me, it has to be so high, like to use something that people abuse all the time in our society.

If it were Hitler in the middle of World War II, and you killed him during a speech, I'd be fine with it. Why? Because of what he was doing, not merely what he was saying. Okay? If you could show me Charlie Kirk doing horrible things that were proof of racism and this and that, doing things, like horrible things, you know, I don't want to describe them, but like horrible things. Well, now you're dealing with a different person, a different kind of animal who you may explain and rationalize dealing with differently. But this was speech and ideas.

So the idea that you don't like his ideas, which is fine, but it has no place. the explanation or understanding of his murder. Yeah, but his ideas were really bad and I didn't, I, okay, fine. I disagreed with a lot of what Charlie Kirk advocated. It hasn't no place in the understanding of the equities involved in his murder. That's what bothers me. These calls go together. Hey, Chris, it's Dave Embrook, Ontario, Canada. I thought you were going down the right road when you got booted there from CNN, but you're just like the rest of them. All of you people should be nervous, and that's sad.

Hope you have a great day. Hey, Chris, it's Dave from Panett again. I just wanted, I forgot to say, stay safe. I know things are friggin' weird now, but they're weird up here too. But stay safe and do the right thing. First of all, Dave, I kind of appreciate it, but I also kind of think that you were threatening me. Not in this, I'm scared.

I don't, you know, come on, bring it to me. Let it come. But what I'm saying is, do you want me to be hurt or do you not want me to be hurt? I couldn't tell what he was getting at. Like, it was like, hey, I'm glad he got fired, but stay safe. You're just like the rest and you should be scared. So you think because of what I'm doing, I should see violence coming my way. I agree with you.

I do see the risk. I do see the threat. And more than I have in the past, I would say that is. will. And being fired from CNN was horrible for me and still is. I do not see CNN the way you do. I don't see it the way it's being characterized now. Do I think it's different than when I was there? Yeah, yeah, somewhat. But I miss it. I miss the reach. I miss the platform. It's a phenomenal organization. I am different than I was at CNN, but not because I was left and now I'm not left or I was right and now I'm Senate, whatever, whatever it is. I'm telling you, anyone who

knows me knows that I have always been anti-party. I just talk about it a lot more now. So what has changed is a couple things. One, me, right? Personally, it was a complete dissolution of a lot of my person, my personality. Why? Because I was much more dependent on what I did for a living as an identity than I was aware. I used to say all the time, you know, I'm not what I do. I got a lot of other things in my love. No, I kind of am what I do. I kind of am. And the reason for that is that it's so intensive and constant in terms of the reading and understanding and listening and processing, that it kind of filters into everything that I do for better and worse. And I'll tell you, covering breaking news and being on location is almost like a vacation

for me. Even though it's usually a horror show, it is, there is a, there is an organic and a newness and a freshness to it that allows me to just. be in the moment and do what I know how to do versus the agonizing alchemy of trying to figure out what to talk about and how and how do I make this understandable and relatable in the way that it doesn't feed division and won't be twisted and perverted and this and that it's agonizing it's horrible and so then when I lost that it was ruinous and so I am different I am different, but it didn't change my politics. It changed my perspective on what I should be doing with my platform.

And that's what changed. So I don't criticize Trump as constantly as I did because, one, I'm tired of it. And two, he's been weighed and measured and he's not running again. Three, it doesn't move the needle much. So why would I do it? because it pleases one side for one moment. And then the moment I don't do it and do anything else, now they hate me and see me as an enemy or MAGA.

It's very frustrating for me to see what's happening in the media escape around me and who's doing well by not doing good. Bullshit, man on the street to drive division, playing bad clips of Trump and making faces behind them. You know, trips the algorithm plays to provocation. and get you followers, gets you paid. Good for you. You sell out, bitch.

My point is, I don't think that that's what this job is supposed to be about. Look, there's room for all, okay? It's just that what's being rewarded on social media is tripping the algorithms, and what trips the algorithms is outrage. And that's a concern to me, and I don't want to be a part of it. And then I got to think, well, then how am I successful in this business if I'm not doing what makes you a success. If I don't want to be the antidote to Megan Kelly, the answer to Megan Kelly, then how do you succeed in this business? And that is an open question with an

evolving understanding. So I am not just like all the rest. And you need to learn that you can disagree with someone without hating them and wishing them violence. Chris, I'm a retired federal prosecutor, 30 years, combated gun violence. We'll try to. Obviously, it's a losing battle. I'm independent, purple like you, and I've always respected you and enjoy listening to your podcast now that I'm retired. However, you went on and on about Charlie Kirk being gunned downed at 31 years old. Okay.

What about the school children? None of them who are shot in his country. every other freaking day, it seems, they don't get to attain the age of 31 years old. Not at all. It is just, I don't condone any gun violence. I'm not saying that he deserves the right to be murdered. But I'm saying, please, you talk to your fellow podcasters, all the rich people you know. Quit talking about him being gunned down at 31 years old when our school children are being gunned down.

on a regular basis. I hope I hear about my comment on a podcast, or I might just quit listening. Thank you. Well, good. I guess you're not going to have to quit listening. Look, here is the problem in your argument. It's a two wrongs make it right scenario. Talk about both.

Talk about both. It seems to me like you're saying, well, it's not so bad that Charlie Kirk got killed at 31. because all these other kids die younger. Well, they both matter. What you're really doing, I think, is conflating him with being on the wrong side of the kids getting killed issue, in your opinion. So you don't want to hear just about him

when you disagreed with him on something else that matters to you a lot. I don't think that's a healthy perspective to have. Murder is wrong always. Now, you and I both know why that's true. some people could say well hold on not always what if you're defending your life then it's not murder you and i know this but especially you as a real prosecutor um which i am not um killing isn't always wrong in the eyes of the law murder is always wrong in the eyes of the law

so charlie kirk dying at 31 is a fucking tragedy uh he has these young kids his life is just getting you know going i mean third i don't even remember being 30 one. So that's why I said it, and I mean it, and I still mean it and believe it. That does not in any way change what I think about kids getting shot in school shootings and whether or not we should discuss that. I don't think that they're mutually exclusive. Next. Sorry, trying to figure out which coffee was mine and which one was Amherish's. Well, I know what, you know, what neither is, mine. You drank yours. You, you haven't eaten today. One coffee is not, Enough.

But you're not eating food these days. You're like skipping food and just drinking many coffees. Also, I bought you the coffee. I brought you the coffee. I guess next time you're welcome. But next time I have to bring like two or three because you go through these, like a camel. Camels drink coffee? No, they drink a lot of fluid.

Oh. I saw a guy cooking a camel hump the other day. It looked disgusting. I've had camel. There's an exotic meat place near my house. My buddy's birthday. He got camel, kangaroo, alligator, and it was all pretty gamey. How was the camel?

Gamy. but I don't know if it was the hump or the face or whatever it was just some camel piece jerky or do you cook it no it was like like the like a breast of camel or I don't know but how'd you eat it just like pieces like I'll like on the grill chopped up and you know knife and fork so he grilled it yeah on his roof yeah and I don't care where he grilled it but I'm saying so I'm telling you why I'm setting the stage it's like yeah fun barbecue on the rooftop but we're not eating burgers and hot dogs we're eating you know the zoo and when you say it was gamey did it taste like venison uh yeah and like the you know gamey or meats that i don't particularly

enjoy i i i'm a little i'm like a turkey boy you don't mean like a like a thanksgiving you are a turk i'm just saying like i'm not i'm not one to go to venture off of the you know the beef and turkey have you ever had wild turkey uh yeah like at the bar that can be a little gamey also yeah pretty fun night he's professional grade funny you know that right he worked at second Are you saying that because I made a bad joke? I feel like sometimes when I say something and it like doesn't land, you try to tell people that I, I've worked for a long time. Sometimes people say to me, I thought your producer was funny.

Oh. You don't laugh at his jokes as much. But that's the schick. That's the bit. That's the bit. Of course he's fucking funny. That's why I have him in this. He is really funny.

So I don't laugh to, you know, disrespect him. No, really. Yeah. When I chop this up and put in my reel, I'll make sure we have this whole. been in there where you have to explain to people I'm funny while I'm not making anybody laugh. You think I'm bad. You should see Amrish right now as he's like looking on. He's like over there doing his taxes. You've never seen anybody less engaged the conversation that they're listening to more than he is. So I'm a gift to you as far as I'm concerned. Oh, well, thank you.

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over at News Nation. Do you want to talk about that? Sure. That is your perception, not the reality. And here, I'm telling you, I know that I'm right about this. I know I'm not, there's no open question as to whether or not I'm right about me because you don't know me. I know me. You know what you want me to be. And you guys are becoming increasingly extreme in your intolerance. if you don't hear what you want from me all the time, every time you don't hear what you want to hear, you now completely change your opinion of me. And it is weird.

It is weird, okay, that when somebody, it's like, just think about this. If you're like watching Stephen A. Smith, and he's like, I think the Cowboys are going to win tonight. Oh, I love that Stephen A. Smith. I'm a huge Cowboys fan. I think the Giants actually have a chance against the Cowboys tonight. I hate this guy.

He's the worst. I mean, save that shit for sports, not stuff that matters. And the idea that, well, I didn't say what you wanted me to say with Jimmy Kimmel. What do you want me to say? This is a violation of the First Amendment. This is so fucked up that Trump is blackmail and everybody. And his FCC commissioner made this happen. And these companies are caving.

I can't prove any of that. I can't prove. I can't show it's a First Amendment violation. Where's the state action? Oh, the FCC chairman said it. To fucking Benny Johnson on a podcast, the head of Disney, the head of the station group, say they never spoke to him. Yeah, but they heard him say that.

Have you ever watched a trial in your life? Oh, it's not about a legal standard. It's just, come on, you know, don't make it that. No, it has to be hard. It has to be hard. Because you don't want to do the work. You want it to be easy. You want it to be what you want it to.

to be. And that is getting us deeper into a hole of bullshit that I don't know how we get out of it. Okay? And look, this bothers me why. I try so fucking hard. I try so much harder than other people I see in the landscape who have so much more success on social media. Well, first of all, it's not really my focus. I do a TV show every night. I do this because I enjoy it and I think it helps. But it is very frustrating to me to see what is desired because it's killing us. It's driving the division. You are rewarding people for fucking us by telling you things that help you be angry. I mean, it's very frustrating. It really is. I don't like what happened with Jimmy Kimmel. I said it even though I work at a place that is owned by a place that kick

Tim off, and then put him back on. I mean, who else does that? Did you hear a lot of people at ABC saying they didn't think Jimmy Kimmel should be taken off TV? Huh? Do you hear David Muir? Do you hear George Stephanopoulos? Do you hear Michael Shrayan?

Do you hear any of them? Robin Roberts? You hear them talking about it? Me either. So, you know, I mean, just. Be fair for, you know, for a change. Be fair for a change. You know, and by the way, look, I think what Jimmy said would have gotten me in a lot of trouble.

That these MAGA people are just doing everything they can to make this seem like this isn't one of their guys. And by the way, that is almost exactly what he said. He didn't say this was a MAGA guy. But that is the way it played. And I get why people took it that way. And I would have had my ass in a sling. And I would have been very embarrassed by it because it's the wrong thing to say at the wrong time. But I do not believe in censorship.

I don't. And it is a tricky line. It is a tricky line. Along those lines, this is actually a comment from the video you put out right after Charlie Kirk was murdered. Merriam Slater, 382 writes, Sweet Man, did you see the clip where a 12-year-old black boy asked Charlie Kirk at a convention? why did you say the Civil Rights Act should be overturned? Charlie Kirk replied, I didn't say that. I said it was a mistake.

Yeah, real nice. I see he was good with children, too. Well, that's very Christian of you. Talking about a guy like that who was shot in front of his fucking kids. You are very fortunate that you're not making that comment right in front of me when there's no cameras around. Why? Because I think that there's got to be a line of decency. that we start restoring maybe in the way you want it restored,

which is through force and violence, which seems to be what you guys are embracing more and more every day. Here's the good news. I like that kind of party. I'm the kind of guy in this society that has to hold it all in check because I respect the rules and the mores,

but I would love to slap this shit out of people who say things that I find personally offensive. I would love to go back to that. I don't think it's us at our best. But it certainly would be me at my most formidable. I'll tell you that. If I could go grab Tim Poole by the neck and beat the pignatas out of him, I sure, I would have no problem.

I promise you that. Is that us at our best? No, I think it's us at our worst. So here's the truth about the Charlie Kirk situation. And Adam Mockler was more right than I am when it comes to Charlie Kirk's knowing. history on the 64 Civil Rights Act. So why did I say he didn't really mean that the whole law was bad and that he didn't want blacks to have rights? Because that's what he told me in person. And no, I didn't include that in the Adam thing for two reasons. One, it didn't occur

to me in the flow of conversation. And two, subconsciously, I don't want to talk about what Charlie and I talked about. I'm not an intimate of his. I wasn't a good friend of his. I'd only met him that one time. We just spent a lot of time together. And that one time we were together. And then we texted after that several times. So I said to him, what the fuck, Charlie? I mean, the 64 Civil Rights Act was one of the most formative aspects of equality in this country. And he's like, well, I'm not saying that blacks didn't have, shouldn't have had the right to vote. Minority shouldn't have the right to vote. Of course they should. And there has to be protections under law and do process. I just think that it built in, he said, this culture and system of DEI that was weaponized

and made the act a mistake. I wanted those same things. I just would have wanted them achieved a different way. That's what he said to me in person. And I agree. He was very clumsy with it. He would say, I know this was really radical, which I guess was his way of coding that this is kind of stupid, but it feels good. I'm not trying to defend him being a racist. I don't think he was. I mean, look, here's my bar for being a racist. If I ask you if you're a racist, you'll say yes.

Now, you can say, well, there are a lot of people racist who are afraid to say it. Not in my experience, if there's no camera around. I hear people say it all the time in different ways. Not always just racist, but prejudiced. 100%. I hear it all the time. I can't tell you how many people think that gays, they'll lump them in with trans. I feel bad for gays, by the way.

This trans thing has been, it's been especially hard for them because, you know, they are part of a discriminated community, you know. I mean, we've made some good progress as a non-gay culture and how we regard and respect and equalize gay members of society. society. We've made progress. I don't think we're where we need to be, but they're not lumped in with trans and they have nothing to do with being trans except they're another targeted minority. But I hear people say shit all the time about gays, about trans. And, you know, it's part of who we are. It's part of the journey of trying to make ourselves better. It's why instructions and, you know, traditions or religions that inculcate monotheism and values and morality exist because we need coaxing to get to a better place. So I think that on this one, we have a lot of ugly around us.

And I don't know what the answers are. I really believe the ugly is winning. And there's an aspect of Dr. King's quote, by the way, that's the most fucked up thing I ever heard Charlie say, by the way, is that Dr. King was a bad guy with a bad, you know, I don't know why he, well, look, without having spoken to him about it, although it was kind of the linking thought of what led us into this conversation about the 64 Act, there's such a temptation for these digital guys to be people.

provocative and say outrageous shit that it's hard for them to stop themselves sometimes and I just I don't know what the answer is I don't know how we get out of this I think that you know the reason I don't say this is because I'm I'm really like allergic to cynicism but I have to tell you just being reasonable I think I'd be lying to you if I told you, ah, look, this will pass. It's just a cycle. Things are going to get better. I don't know that. I don't know that. Support comes from Cozy Earth. Cozy Earth has the right mission, okay? They want to transform your five to nine. That's the time that matters most, right? The most comfortable part of your day. And they have found a way at Cozy Earth to do well and to do good.

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I have a few more YouTube comments and we'll wrap this up. From this Adam Mockler episode, Smokey Cat, 2011 says, Newsom can't win the middle of the country. All you need to do is remind people of high gas prices in California. Why are we going to have a primary anyway? Newsom is already announced. Here's the sad thing. They have Andy Bashir right in front of them, but he doesn't have a chance.

Listen, no, Stradamus. The reason that they're going to have a primary is because within this binary bullshit system, that's the closest thing to a representative democracy we get, is that at least there's some vetting. I mean, these parties are fucking killing us. You're not wrong to be skeptical on that level in terms of, like, how they'll handle it. Andy Bashir is formidable. I think there's a bunch of people who could rise. You don't know right now.

He's the governor of Kentucky, right? Yeah. You don't know. Look at that guy Cox out in Utah. I mean, if we were closer right now to the primary season, that guy would be like top five on the Republican side, I bet. don't say who can't win where you don't know what the election's about we don't know that it's going to look the last election gas prices looms so large right now they're trending down in the country but for all the wrong reasons because a lack of demand right because the economy is

slowing so is that what you wanted lower gas prices because we're making less money no um so we don't know. We don't know what the election's going to turn on. And until we know that, the right kinds of messengers who can capitalize on that are equally unknown. What bothers me about Newsom is what is raising his fortunes, which is him acting like a schoolboy jackass mocking Trump. I can't believe that this is what the left wants. They're so desperate for muscularity. They're so desperate for fighting back that they'll take anything, I guess, because this ain't Newsom at his best, that's for sure. I've seen him be a lot more impressive than he is with what's making him more successful. And that's the problem in our politics. From the same episode, Red Wave 1221 says,

why do you always ask yourself questions, then answer it? It's a rhetorical device. Why do I do that? Here's why. I feel that it teased up a question and gives you an answer so that you can have it in tighter context. And yes, I know I just did it. Yes, yes. I know. That's why I laughed. You weren't paying attention. I was making, I was giving the next comment ready, but I laughed when you said it. As if I'm not paying attention, you're on your phone the whole time, man. I know you're texting away over there. I'm writing the show tonight.

Yeah, me too, man. Yeah, right. From the Dr. Drew interview, Leon 287 asks, so where are the Epstein files? Exactly. Now, here's the one thing that's not. not fair about me saying, release the files, release the files. The shit that you want, judges sealed, and not because they're corrupt, but because they made evidentiary findings that there wasn't enough information that was probative of the allegation to warrant the prejudice that would come with the names being disclosed. Does that make sense? I'll explain again. two separate judges made determinations that I disagree with, by the way, for what it's worth.

And I do believe that sometimes this is righteous, that we're going to redact your name. We do it with children all the time, even though who the fuck knows who the kid is, right? But we hide their faces, we hide their names. Why? Perceive prejudice, an invasion of their privacy. Protecting them. Okay, I believe in that idea. I think individuals who knew Epstein and hung out with him but didn't know he was a scumbag and are not pedophiles.

Why would you want to ruin them the way that they will absolutely be dragged through it if their name comes out? Especially if they're like a famous person or a person of wealth. You know that's going to happen. And so I don't think Trump is wrong to want to protect people like that. It's just that it's a bad look right now because of where we are. people hate the elites. You're in gotcha mode all the time. You're outraged all the time. You want to see everybody go down. You have been told that there were all these bad people that were doing what Epstein was doing by people in major positions of power within this administration because Trump

was, you know, indiscreet in his choices and made bad choices of people who sold conspiracies that now you want paid off and they same people won't give them to you. Why? Because now they're held to account. If you needed an argument for why we need our institutions, look at how they've changed their behavior. They changed their behavior because now they'll be held to account. So they don't tell you that Epstein was murdered. No, there's no evidence. There's no evidence. There's no evidence of that. They don't tell you there's a client list. No, there's no list. I've looked, Senator, there is no, there's nothing there. There's nothing there. There's nothing there. Cash Patel.

Yeah. There's nothing there that leads us to that understanding. Why? Because now he's being held to account. That's why you need institutions. So I'd love to say release it, but the reason I'm saying it is an empty ask is because I know they're not fighting in court to get it re-released or undone by the judges who sealed it. But they made a legal finding, two separate judges, that there's not enough evidence. that this person was connected to Epstein to justify the prejudice will come with associating them with Epstein.

For instance, a lot of you motherfuckers love to bring up the fact that my wife's name was seen in some contact list that Epstein had. So what is she now, a human trafficker? my wife met this fucking guy because women who were friends with him knew my wife and she was with them once and made her way into his contact list she didn't give it to him she wasn't friends with him she didn't know him she didn't go to his parties but i got to hear it from you fucking people that she's on the contact list and then you tell me that i was on his airplane i don't even know who the fucking guy is. I never met him in my life. But I got to listen to this. Dozens and dozens. Yeah, I saw it on Reddit. Yeah, I think Joe Rogan said it.

That's the kind of stupid shit that I have to contend with. So I understand why the president of the United States and two judges made a determination that if you don't have any proof that somebody's connected to the shit, you shouldn't dump shit on them. I get it. It's frustrating. I think they should release everything they can release, and I think that they should fight in court to see what the basis was or non-basis was for those determinations. I think that's fair. And I think more should come out, because the more that comes out, the more you will see you were fucking lied to about it. And I think that's a good lesson. This is a YouTube comment from the Charlie Kirk video you put out from Norwood Builder 7,529.

dash dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dash oh shut up it's in morse code i think uh and i translated it using chat gpt and it says may the peace of god be with all of you pray for our country love one another and i'm curious as to why you think somebody would take a relatively positive message like that and uh make somebody translate it figure it out oh you translated that yeah i fed i said i think this is more you translated the morse code what chat g And it translated to, may the peace of God be with all of you, pray for our country, love one another. I'm saying it's a positive message. I'll tell you why they did it that way.

Because they grabbed your curiosity. You wanted to know what it was. They played on our suspicion that it's probably something really dark and nefarious. It was flagged for inappropriate. And I was like, well, that's interesting. I wonder what it is. And it wound up sticking with us in a way it might not have otherwise. Well played.

All right, thank you for the comments. Appreciate you. Greg, I love you. You're very funny. Oh, thank you, Chris. I love you, too. And I appreciate you all as well. That's why I do this.

That's why we do this, okay? It isn't easy. It isn't cheap. But I do it because I think it can help. I'm serious. I'm telling you, I know I could do this show a different way and make so much more money and have so many views. I could tell you. about the people in power. I could do all kinds of things to just make you crazy with rage.

I don't think it gets us to a better place, and I think that we are accelerating towards a bad place quickly enough. So, let's try to stay together. Let's try to be obsessed with better, not worse, all right? And on that, I say, let's get after it. Thank you for subscribing and following. I'll see you on News Nation, AP, and 11P, Eastern every weekday night. If you want to say, Fuck you to the parties and be an independent where your independence. Get the free agent gear. The link is coming. I'll see you soon.