The Chris Cuomo Project - Epstein Is Everything

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Chris Cuomo makes a blunt admission: he was wrong to treat the Epstein story as noise. “Epstein is everything,” he says — not because of conspiracy theories or partisan gotchas, but because the files expose how power protects itself. Cuomo breaks down why this isn’t about Pizzagate, QAnon, or scoring points against Donald Trump. It’s about a two-tiered system where elites operate under different rules — in politics, corporate power, media, and justice. He explains why the Department of Justice was never the right vehicle for full transparency, why redactions raise serious legal and ethical questions, and why names must be released under the law. Join The Chris Cuomo Project on YouTube for ad-free episodes, early releases, exclusive access to Chris, and more: https://www.youtube.com/@chriscuomo/join Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Same night out — way better morning with Cheers. For a limited time our listeners are getting 20% off their entire order by using code CUOMO at https://CheersHealth.com. #Cheers #ad Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos—get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/CUOMO. Application times and rates may vary. NOBL gives you real travel peace of mind — security, design, and convenience all in one. Head to https://NOBLTravel.com for 46% off your entire order! #NOBL #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I was wrong. Epstein is everything. Epstein is everything. We can't walk and chew gum. You can't focus on anything the way we have to focus on this. And it's not just gotchas. It's not even just about prosecutions. And I'll talk to you a little bit about the law here. It's a little complicated. Look back statutes are on the state level, not federal, but I'll get to that. I was wrong. Epstein is everything. It is the delivery on the promise of MAGA. It is the mandate for the left. It is the mandate for the media. All of us are supposed to be about the same thing. How do we destroy this two-tiered system where the privileged few get away with things that, that would never fly for the many.

And Epstein holds the answers, and I can explain. Chris Cuomo here. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. I've always covered it. Always. As long as anyone, as often as anyone in my space, not some conspiracy theorist. My regret, my regret is that I allowed the bullshit

and the noise to hide. hide this once faint little beeping, flashing, and then growing, growing, and now turning into a beacon of signal that we see in the Epstein files because of the bullshit of Pizza Gate and of all these bullshit cannibalistic pedophile eating crazy conspiracies that have been peddled for profit on the right. And I will tell you how I have zero fucks for any of these people who say, say, we told you, No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Okay? And the podfather, Bongino, okay? He is the proof that you didn't tell us shit. You didn't know anything. Okay? You're about as prescient as the people who say, oh, I knew I would never need a vaccine. Same thing. No, no, no, no. Here's the truth, okay? Bongino was pushing all these conspiracies. So was Cash Patel, and they were doing it for profit. He made all that money on Rumble, building it into a platform. of assumed accountability that MAGA would deliver on, and Trump loved it, and they went and went with Epstein.

He was murdered. He was this, he was that. He delivered on none of it. If he were going to be right, he would have told us about what we're learning right now. We would have heard about this from Bongino and Patel. Instead of, there's nothing, there's nothing, we've looked, we've looked. It is not nothing.

It is windows into perversity. It is windows into organized exploitation. It is windows into the two-tiered life of the privileged, of the powerful, and of the perverted. Okay? Now, here's the truth, again, about what we knew. Nothing. We are nowhere. We are scratching the surface at what we realize we don't know.

No, that's where we are. Why is it everything? Because what do we need to change in our society? Two-party system, the considerations of capitalism, let's call it that, okay? Why? Because it's alliterative, no. The choice structure. Capitalism is the solution.

Nothing has ever created more opportunity, more of everything that we want in societies than capitalism. Okay? There is not even a close second. Well, what about social democracy? It's still capitalism. It's about how certain things are distributed and controlled, specifically in Germany that they keep using as a model. But capitalism is not the problem.

It's the choices that we make. You used to pay based on productivity. Now you pay based on what the labor market forces you to pay, and you worry about the investor economy. You worry about your stock price. You don't worry about your labor relationship the way you used to. You killed the unions. You killed that connection.

You killed the middle class. You exported jobs. You started to play with how you get away from taxes. You're all about your stock price. You only pay to see-sweet people. These are choices. Capitalism, yes, choices. Okay.

So the justice system, how it works for some, but not for the many. Why? Capitalism, how it works for some, but not for the many. K-shaped economy. Why? Okay. Our politics. why money has the influence it does.

Legal money, now the most powerful. Okay. This administration, who gets into power? Who is chosen? What do they do with that power? Who has helped? What is in help? I thought Doge was supposed to be about the many.

It wound up being about Palantir and Elon Musk, who's, guess what? In the Epstein files, why did he think it was okay to hang out with the guy now that he wants to pay for everybody's litigation? Why don't you sit down and do something for free? Tell us on your little toxic dumpster fire site there, Twitter, why did you think it was okay to hang out with a guy who you had to know, since you're a genius, had these very perverted aspects to his personality? Tell us about that. Why would you even consider wanting to go hang out with a guy?

Again, what is this not about cheating, messing around on your husband, on your wife, on your boyfriend, on your girlfriend, and your partner, being bisexual, being into sexual deviancy, as we used to call it. It's about none of those things. Bugersugar, partying, exotic trips. It's not about any of those things. Okay? It's about predation.

That's what it's about. It's about the intentionality behind finding people to hurt. Okay? That's what it's about. And it's about whether or not Epstein was doing that. for profit? Was he doing it to frame people to get leverage on them? And then what would you do that leverage with that leverage? And who was he doing it for? Was it a country? Was it a corporation? Was it both? Who was involved? What are the names? Okay? That's what matters. Why? Because all of

these other dots that we're trying to connect, this is the connection, not Epstein, but this culture of elite perversion, the corporations, the capital structure, the people calling the shots, the people in political power, all of them are part of this class. I'm not saying they're all involved with Epstein, but it's all part of this two-tiered society. This is what it is. This is not the noise of, I hate the elites. Let's tax the rich to death. You know, None of that. No Pizza Gate bullshit. This is about the names and letting them explain. That's not the same thing as McCarthyism.

That is not the same thing as ruining reputations for sport. We saw that with Me Too, okay? Me Too had a purpose that was akin to the one that we should have right now with this. But it was perverted for advantage and gotchas and the media. making sport out of it and making money out of it and all of that. Instead of me too, this is him or her too, okay? Meaning what? Instead of people lining up to say that they were victimized or that they survived,

this is about who was involved. Who knew what Epstein was about but wanted to be around him anyway? Why? They like the parties. They like the access. They like the deal flow. they like the corridors of power. They had to because he had something on them.

Whatever the rationale is, we need to know the names. Why? Because we empower the privilege, the corporations that get the contracts, they get the tax treatment that they get. All of the things that are accorded to these people that are not earned but given. Do they deserve them? Let's know the names. And why would you hide the names?

So the DOJ was never the right place for this. Never. Why? Because it is not as simple as prosecutions. It's not that simple. And what does every institution do? Which, again, connects us to what this is really about, which is how the powerful protect themselves.

What do you think the DOJ chance is that they're going to take a situation that they haven't prosecuted over multiple administrations and now all the side decide all the sudden that they are going to dig in and go all in culturally institutionally very small oh but not under trump yeah except he's in it there are gazillions of references to him oh yeah but then he kicked him out and then he look maybe maybe not i don't know i'm not accusing the president of anything i don't have to the less trump we have in our the better. That is the name I need to know least right now. I want to know who they decided to protect because they're doing so, I believe, outside of the confines of the law. Why? Why back in March

did President Trump have things redacted before they were delivered over for the vetting process? Who said that was okay? Well, we want to protect people's reputations. Let's think about it. Okay. Now, I would be very quick to defend that proposition as someone who had my reputation assaulted for bad reason on purpose. Okay. So then why are I not okay with this?

Well, one, I don't want to be what I oppose. Okay? And two, not everybody's scrutiny is motivated by the same things. So what does that mean? Here's what it means. Well, you can't put out the names because they weren't guilty of any crime, and these emails make them look really, really bad. Okay. I understand.

However, there is a law that says those names must come out anyway. Why? Because they were connected to somebody, joking around with somebody, making suggestions to somebody that are disgusting, and he was a known, disgusting guy. Now we take a step sideways. Wait, was he? Yeah. Because in 2008, Epstein had to take a deal because he had sex with a minor. Ah, but there was a story that went along with that.

Every person I have spoken to who was in Jeffrey Epstein's world somehow after he got out of prison for that 2008 case tells me the same thing. the same thing, whether they know each other or do not. Jeffrey told us that, yes, I like full release massages, and I like it to be women who aren't my age. Shame on me. And I don't like male massage therapists. So I had a place. They set me up.

This girl looked like she was 20. Turns out she was 17. And they set me up. And the reason I got such a lenient deal. relatively was because they knew I was set up. And that's what they told. That's what he told people again and again and again. And I get it that that could be somewhat believable if he's so connected to so many somebodies and has so much money and so much access and so much power that maybe it's a little bit easier to believe him. And if everybody seem to believe it and

everybody's at the party and everybody wants to know them and everybody's everywhere, then it gets even a little bit more convenient. Where does it start to fall apart? Well, for the next 10 years, the guy, or how many other years it was until we get to 2019, the guy was clearly doing a lot of disgusting things that a lot of people were chatting with him about. Now what do we learn? Well, we learned that. So I don't give a shit what you believed about what happened in 2008, because what about all these people who were way too cozy talking to this guy about things that are freaking disgusting? And again, I'm not on any high horse.

I am not the morality police. I don't believe in judging people's personal lives, especially in our politics. We're not there. We're not in that place where we are able to vet somebody's personal character. characteristics because they check every other box. We're at the lowest bar. Like, is this person going to lie their ass off and steal from us? That's where we are.

I don't care what kind of wife you are. What kind of husband? What kind of daughter? What kind of friend? I'm nowhere near that. Okay? I'm basically trying to choose who to pick as an assassin here. Okay?

So I don't believe in that. I think it's a cheap distraction from whether or not this person can get anything done in this shit show that we call our government. So I'm not the guy, okay? I'm not Megan Kelly waving, waking my finger. I'm going to have selective moral outrage whenever it works for the algorithm.

I'm not that person, okay? And I'm not on the other side either of, oh, it's Trump, it's Trump, it's Trump, let's get Trump. Trump, whatever you know? Got to take Trump, take Trump down, take Trump down. It's bigger than Trump. I don't get why Trump protected these people. I don't.

I don't get it. I don't get it. But it's not a simple thing. morality play for me. It's not a gotcha fest. It's not just taking down the rich and powerful, the bold-faced names. I'm not driven by those kinds of things. What I'm driven by is these are people who are given privilege and power in our society. Given, given. It is not by right, okay? And we have to know who in our circle of influence was okay with spending time with a guy they had to know was a scumbag.

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because the law demands it and we are demanding it. Two buckets. First, The first one, the gross emails that we're seeing that are highly suggestive of sex talk and not let's fuck. Like perverse things. Young females. Okay. Why were those redacted? There's only one good reason and it's only a half credit. If you are protecting people who are male and you're doing it for reasons of

reputation, you were in violation of federal law. If, however, the writer or participant in the email is female or male and was victimized, now we're dealing with something different. Well, wait, why is it different automatically? Well, one, the law allows you to redact if it's stuff that could be exposing a victim or survivor. Okay, but look at what they were saying. Well, what if they were saying it because they were groomed? It's an extension of their trauma. It's what he had them doing because he had leverage over them.

It was how they were able to survive within that dynamic. Now, you can roll your eyes, but these are all possibilities, and they certainly would justify the redaction. So in that case, that's interesting to me, too, by the way. Why? Well, what does that tell you? If there were women who were victimized to the point where they were engaging in solicitation or mitigation of playing and assaulting young women, that's not natural for females. I would argue it's not natural for males either, but who's guilty of this on a regular basis? much more often males than females. So don't protect the guys.

If you protected the guys, you better justify it because that's not within the law. If it's females, there is a big caveat there. And that's something to think about when you're looking at these emails to the extent that you're looking at ones that are real because there's so much fakery out there. The truth is enough.

Okay? Then there's the second bucket. Who knew? Who are the guys who were part of it, who knew what Jeff, what Jeffrey was doing, who dismissed it. Does Peter Attia fall in that category? Does Deepak Chopra? I don't know. I don't want bad things for these people. I'm not a gotcha person. I see absolutely no percentage for myself in taking a name down so that I get some clicks. I don't give you shit.

This is about the truth. And it is about exposing systemic forgiveness that is undeserved. So you knew reputationalally this is relevant. You should have to explain why you thought it was okay to be that way with this kind of scumbag. Okay. Then you have the next layer of, oh, you didn't just know you were okay with it and you were part of it. or you knew who was part of it and you said nothing to protect your ass,

to protect your so-called friends, to protect your position, we should have the names. Well, but the DOJ putting out those names and not prosecuting, that's why it should have never been the fucking DOJ. And I said it at the time. Trump should have never given this to Bondi.

Look, we know why he did, right? She's a puppet. Cash Patel was supposed to be a puppy. Oh, hey, Cash Patel and Bongino, I got to tell you, the pod bros, Benny Johnson, all these guys, they can't run away from this story fast enough. Can't run away. Let's talk about bad money. Let's talk about the ratings. Let's talk about that. No thanks. No thanks. All that matters. Of course it matters. Okay. And you should get the numbers right. And we should talk about who we are and who we're not and what's America and what's Ameri can't. and what the real problem is with ICE,

we should talk about all that, why the majority of people have a problem with how they are prosecuting in this country. But you're not distracting us from this. No fucking way. Why? Because Bongino and Patel were trying to sell you

that this guy was murdered and that they knew there was a client list. They then get into positions of power that I would argue, one of them for sure, maybe both did not deserve. And they say everything that they thought was now untrue. Now, here's the problem with that. That would be enough for me.

You're like, whoa, what a freaking hypocrite. I'll never believe that guy again. But it doesn't end there. They had to know what's coming out now. They had to know these names that were protected with not good reason, certainly not within the color of the law. They had to know that there were discrepancies and little curiosities on the same things they used to talk about. Mr. Patel with the client list, ooh, there's six names that just came out.

That's kind of smelling like a client list. Why didn't you tell us about it? Why did you say there was nothing like this? The timing of when they were drafting, the notice of when he died versus not, and who had control over the hard drive of the camera of the thing, and who came in and didn't, and the suspicion. If Bongino was awake and marginally competent, why didn't he ever talk about any of this? Why is he so angry and back on his podcast making Rumble money not talking about this, not owning this, not explaining this?

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Release the names. Release the files. It all has to come out. Because here's why. Your name's on the list. Okay. Is it better that no one knows if you did nothing wrong? Yes.

Yes, it is. Okay. So you're going to fall into one of several categories. One is, well, you're in there. You're in like six emails with this guy. Yeah, I was shopping a deal. Slash, yeah, I did a deal with him. Why?

Because he had ridiculous access to capital and contacts. Yeah, but what about all this other stuff? I didn't personalize with him. I didn't have anything to do with him. There are a lot of scumbags in this business. Money's money. Okay. Next.

Next is, why were you socializing with this guy? If you want to be the head of this big fund, if you want to be the head of this agency, if you want to be this person of reputation, and perceived social cachet, why did you think it was okay to party with this guy? Now, maybe they tell you this story that I told you that is so familiar in that circle.

Maybe you believe it, maybe you don't. Well, what right do we have to make this person, well, hold on. What right do they have to their position and their station? It's gifted to them. It's a privilege. Now, why is it okay? because we're not talking about booger sugar, cheating on your husband, cheating on your wife, paying for sex, any of these things that you can see as morally unacceptable.

Not morally, ethically, whatever, whatever, any way you want to look at it. This is about violence toward systemic exploitation of young women, women of age of consent, and women not of age of consent. Anyone that you check and is wrong. And it's wrong in a way that is one of the vestiges, one of the last available points of universal agreement, or I thought was universal agreement. Because it seems like we got some people

who don't think messing around with young stuff is that bad. That's what it seems like from the files. And a lot of them haven't been released. And a lot of what has been released has been arguably wrongfully redacted. That's why you have to explain yourself. I'm not asking you about your marriage. I'm not asking you about your personal life. I'm not.

It's not about that. This is wrong wherever it happens, whenever it happens, with whomever it happens. We all agree. So that's why you've got to let me know. And the DOJ shouldn't have done this. This should have been an outside something or somebody or some commission or something. Because it's not just about the law. That's too narrow.

Now, legally, is there a lookback statute? Yeah, on the state level, not the federal level. Could they draft one? Yes. Well, what about ex post facto? What about res judicado? Well, those are very different things. Okay?

ex post facto is where you are making something illegal after someone did it and then punishing them for having done it. Okay, that's not what this is. It would be about the statute of limitations being changed. That's what a look back statute is. Can that be abused? Yes. Has it been abused? Probably.

But it should be a possibility. They could also look at it under a 1983 action. which is a deprivation of civil rights, which could have a different statute of limitations in terms of tolling. There are a possible different legal avenues here. They may need legislation. That's just the law, though.

This is not just about the law. This is about the court of public opinion. It is. Why? Because maybe you didn't commit a crime, but you run a huge corporation that matters to our society, that should be headed by people who have some kind of basic decency. And that line is placed plenty low. That bar is placed plenty low. If we make it, you don't excuse messing around and abusing women slash young women slash underage women. I think that's a fairly safe.

bar to set that shouldn't get anybody tripping over it who doesn't deserve it. That's why Epstein is everything. That's why it's not just a distraction, even when I thought it was partially a distraction. Even when I thought politicians were late to the game, which they are on the left, there is no effing way they didn't go after this under Biden because they wanted to respect the DOJ prosecution of Galane Maxwell. That's bull. Shit. You saw what the left is capable of with Trump and how they impeached him and how they used law affair and how they went after him. You may like it, you may not. You may think it's justified, you may not. However, they are capable of being plenty aggressive. They weren't

here. Okay? So don't tell me you've always cared about the survivors. You've always been on it. You are full of cocky, okay? But now you're here. And I'll take it. versus you not being here. Okay? Massey on the right, who knows for how long. Rocana on the left, Fairbroker. Opportunist? Well, I mean, he's in public office. What are you not supposed to seek opportunity? You're not supposed to exploit opportunity? Do you want to stay in power? You're being naive if opportunism isn't supposed to play a role. Of course it is. How, why? All right, let's look at it. for him to go down this road and for them to bring out names of guys, Les Wexner, of course, of course, he was Epstein's guy.

It never made sense to people. Why did he put so much money and trust in this guy Epstein? What was Epstein's genius? Why did he give him this $70 million building house or whatever? It never made sense. Okay? So, of course, he's some co-conspirator under somebody's reckoning within the files. Who are the other ones?

Now names start to come out. Russian names, familiar names, unfamiliar names. It is not wrong for them to have to explain themselves. I'm not asking for a peek into their bedroom. I'm not. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. Same way with Diddy.

I don't care about your baby oil and your freakoffs and all your other stuff. It is about abuse and assault. Okay? male, female, paid for, not paid for, age of consent, not age of consent. This is a universe of behavior that we have to reject. I don't care about adultery. That's not what this is. I don't care about drug use.

I get that there are crimes. I get that there are standards. This is a lower bar than that that we have to be able to get over. It cannot be that people of positions of power and privilege in our society are allowed to be okay and be part of this kind of behavior. You've got to be about something or you are about nothing. It can't just be First Amendment all the time. Second Amendment. Constitution.

Federal law. Litigation. It can't just be that that's the only standard. what I used to call a felony or fine. It can't be that. Well, I mean, it's not a high crime or misdemeanor, so I mean, you know, should we really be dealing with this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should.

Yeah, we should. It doesn't have to be felonies to not be fine. Epstein is everything. If you want to start deconstructing the power structure that keeps government catering to the few, instead of to the many, the two-party system, working off money that comes from the same people, that comes from corporations that are run by the same people,

that comes from choices of how our society works, that often those choices are influenced by these same people that make precedents, that make presidents, that figure out gerrymandering, that figure out who's gonna run for Congress, and who gets the privilege, and who gets the advantage and who gets the opportunity and who gets hired and what's driving the stock market

and what that means in terms of what the government preference is and doesn't. These people are in that universe. And I wish there had never been a pizza game. I wish there had never been a QAnon because you take a little bit of something that might be true and you blow it up for advantage and you become a Bongino or a Patel

and now you got a cried wolf probably. cried wolf problem. And it's hard for us to get into Epstein because it's like, oh, what else? What else are we going to learn? Well, I got bigger problems. They're all related to this. If you don't have these people on some kind of connection to the rest of us and what's okay and what isn't, again, this isn't swingers, okay? It's not a freak off. This is victimizing, systemically planned, profited from of often young women, if not under the age of consent, arguably. It's got to matter. And those who don't want it to matter have to be looked at with curious eye.

And no, I do not believe that the president should be our sole focus on it. And no, I do not believe that the president is the hero in this. Not even fucking close. And no, whether it's Benny Johnson or any of these other guys, no, Donald Trump is not why they got Epstein. Donald Trump did not initiate the investigation. He was not a primary source on the investigation. We don't even know if he really talked to this sheriff who was looking into Epstein back in the day. the sheriff says he did

where's the proof man everybody's lying their ass off these days show us the proof i'm not saying you're lying I'm saying show me you're not lying he called look at the guy's own reckoning if it even happened this is what happened hey I heard you're looking at Epstein good

everybody's known he's doing bad things and galane maxwell is like his robot or whatever yeah look at her I hope you look of course they were looking at her but that's not being an informant that's not making something happen why would Benny Johnson or anybody even say that? Because they're pawns and puppets.

That's why. Okay? Trump ain't the reason that Epstein is bad. Trump ain't the reason that Epstein got brought to justice. Okay? This is bullshit. Now, did Trump know what Epstein was about? Very likely, yes.

Very likely, yes. The same sheriff says that Trump said to him, Hey, I was with him once and they were teenagers around it. I got the hell out of there. Really? He didn't think to tell anybody about that, by the way? Hmm? Okay.

Good to know. Good to know. Well, but then he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. I'm telling you, I don't want Trump to be my sole focus. I know it is for the left. I know they think this is going to bring him down. I don't even know how. I don't even know how.

And then you start putting out all these fucking fake pictures. What does that do? When you produce the fakery, you're not moving the needle. It only works with the people who will judge him negatively. And then they find out it's fake. And guess what that does? It makes them less likely to believe anything. But you do it anyway.

Why? That's why. Because you're about yourself and you're selfish. You're not about the signal. You're not about the truth. You're not. And I was being too dismissal. of how much this means and how important it is to see who was writing the emails,

who's redacted and why, who knew, and who was involved or okay with what was being done. Who was Epstein doing this for? Was it just himself? Was it a corporate concern? Was it a country? Was it an organization? Who did he do that too? Who did he compromise?

All of these things matter to all of these other power dynamics in our society. We have to know. Release the names. Release all the files. I don't know that the DOJ is right. I don't know that the Trump administration is right to do this. Just Bongino and Patel alone don't make any sense. This is how you became famous, or infamous, in my opinion.

You get put into a position of power. You don't deliver on it. And then we finally get to start seeing things. And there were things you should have been talking to us about. It's like you were wrong, then you were wrong, and then you were still wrong, all in different ways that you could have corrected. And you didn't. Even now, you're not explaining.

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Look at how Epstein's being handled. What's wrong with our society and our two-tier justice system? Look at who knew about Epstein. You want to help the survivors? Really? Really? Look at the Epstein files.

That's the only chance they're ever going to get recourse or closure. Why don't they put out the names? I understand that. Final point. I understand that frustration. We're used to the survivors. They come out. They say names.

Sometimes they're making up the names. Sometimes there's nothing to corroborate it. Sometimes they're full of shit. They're just looking for a payday. These people won't give names. Well, let's look at it. If they are aware of the level of power, and privilege and the level of protection that these people have received.

Would you be that quick as someone who's already been traumatized and victimized to put yourself in a position of vulnerability vis-a-vis them again? Okay, think about that. What if you get sued by them? Who do you want to own it? You and your ability to fight that lawsuit? Well, what if they're saying if it's true, then they don't have to worry? Please, wake up and smell the lawsuit, okay?

Just because it's true doesn't mean you're going to win. in court. And it's going to be expensive, especially against these kinds of people. Now, who would you rather have own it if you were they? The Department of Justice of the United States of America or them? All right? That's something. That's something. And I do believe that they are afraid of what these people can do to them. And I understand the pushback. No, no, no. You people have lawyers and everybody will now know that you accuse these people so they won't do anything to you. Really? Really. You know how many witnesses thought that when they went against the mob? You think these people are that different? How do we know? How do we know? If they're capable of being okay with what Epstein was about or maybe even participating in it,

how can you say what they're capable of or not? Do not be distracted by this like I was or from this like I was. Epstein is everything. Transparency is how we rebuild trust. And if you do it right in one place, it will extend itself to other places. We have to have transparency here. We haven't had it yet. It must be remedied and rectified. And the names must be released. And we have to be responsible about it.

You got to give people fair hearing. You got to see if there's any corroboration. You have to give them the benefit of the doubt. until they give you reason to not give them the benefit of the doubt. Like who? Like the President of the United States? He's lied too much about too many things to get the benefit of the doubt. I don't even like what he did with the Nancy Guthrie case,

America's grandma for good reasons. We care about this story for the right reasons. Oh, we made great developments. I think we're going to have a solution or something. What? They don't even think the letters are real anymore. We just got one video of somebody. You can't believe anybody.

You cannot trust but verify. You got to verify so that you can once again begin to trust. The Epstein files are the key to all of it. Forget the noise. It's all about the signal. It's about being fair, and it's about transparency. I am here for it, and I will never let it go. I'm Chris Cuomo.

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