The Chris Cuomo Project - Ross Coulthart

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Investigative journalist Ross Coulthart (“60 Minutes” Australia, “Need to Know” podcast) joins Chris Cuomo for an extensive exploration of the U.S. government's knowledge of UFOs and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). They discuss the evidence that suggests the government has physical proof of extraterrestrial technology, the motivation for keeping it secret, and speculation over whether President Biden will reveal the truth as an October surprise. Coulthart provides insight from his intelligence sources about retrieved alien crafts, reverse engineering programs, and future government disclosures. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know that there's more to know about what's out there, right? In the sky, in the water, who knows where it's coming from? But UFOs are not just about little green men. I'm Chris Cuomo, and I have an interview for you with a man who has done more when it comes to uncovering the unspoken truth about what is in the air and in the water and in the universe that might be explained, but they just don't want to tell us. Ross Coulthart is here.

You know the splash he made with his big interview with an insider on News Nation about UFOs and government programs. Well, wait until you hear what he says he knows from various sources about what's going on, what is known, what isn't known, what's hidden, and how. You ready? Let's get after it. Ross, thank you so much for joining us. Big fan of your work. Appreciate all the help and partnership you've done with us at NewsNation.

It's good to have you. It's a real pleasure to be here, Chris. So you are a practiced investigative journalist, many years in the making. You are a lawyer. a lawyer, how do you see the subject of unidentified aerial phenomena or UFOs or whatever you want to call it? I'm a reformed lawyer. I'm an ex-lawyer, but I am a working investigative journalist. How do I see this issue of UAPs? I think it's the biggest story in human history. I'm gobsmacked, absolutely amazed at the truculent resistance by a lot of the legacy media in the United States and in other parts of the world to not realizing that

this is the biggest story unfolding before their eyes. It's like frogs in a pot, not realizing what's being slowly revealed around them. I had a guy say to me, you know, you people, you know, talking about the media in America, are obsessed with carbon dioxide and the atmosphere and global warming and all these things. And you exaggerate the reality, though it is a reality, and you ignore that countless people who you say you trust have seen things in the air that can't be explained and you say they're kooks that's true it's it's it's funny actually because i mean it's funny you should mention the global warming thing because i i'm known in australia for being a bit of a contrarian. And I've looked at the science of global warming. And whilst I do

think that anthropogenic global warming, human caused global warming is real, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind at all, that the algorithms that are used to predict and forecast the effects of global warming are woefully tricked up, perhaps unwittingly, to suggest that the effects are going to be far worse than they really are. And I think it's the fact that the media has been willing to allow itself to become a party to what a lot of people in science, and my sources are scientists, believe is misleading. And it's the same thing with UFOs, that fundamentally, yes, your friend is right. There is a phenomenon that is real.

There are phenomena, anomalous objects doing weird things in our skies, in orbit and underwater, USOs, and even the US, the Pentagon, your intelligence community admits it's real. At what point is there this cognitive dissonance that engages in the media, which basically says, oh yeah, we're just going to ignore that because we're uncomfortable with it and we don't understand it. So we're just going to ignore it. Let's move on to global warming, Israel. And I think that's wrong. I think there's a story there. And I know because I've been privileged as an investigative journalist. I mean, I'm kind of hoping, frankly, Chris, that the rest of the investigative media don't put their toe in the water. Because at the moment, with a few exceptions, there's very few people doing the work that I'm doing. And as a result, I'm getting on a daily basis people

contacting me from within your defence and intelligence community, scientists from within the legacy crash retrieval reverse engineering program, people working at an executive level in private aerospace companies. And I guess they've recognized in me, somebody who's, I hope, trustworthy, honorable as far as how I conduct my journalism. And they're sharing stuff. And to them, it's not an issue. And there's a mounting incredulity that there's a lot of people in the media who, notably some of the great masthead newspapers, the New York Times, the Washington Post, that are actively seeking to ignore and play down, belittle and ridicule this subject, as they have done for much of the last 60 to 70 years.

And I don't think it's a conspiracy. I mean, I use a less polite word, but in my line of work as an investigative journalist, we have a saying, which is always assume, let's say it's a screw up rather than a conspiracy. And I think in this case, it's a screw up. I think the media have allowed themselves to be lulled by the taboo, the stigma, the ridicule that's been attached to the subject, then I know you're a working journalist and so am I. And the bottom line is every newsroom you go into, every newspaper, every television station, every radio station that I've ever worked in, they mock the subject of UFOs. Yes. And that's probably, for a large part of my career, been legitimate. But it's not now.

It's multifaceted, right? Part of it is that some people limit it to little green men. And if they've ever seen movies about aliens, they dismiss it as fiction. Another basis for it is groupthink. Another basis for it is ease. It's easier to dismiss it than to have to dig into a new topic. Um, and here's the problem with all of that is that do you have any question that the United States government is aware and knows more than it is shared with the American people about things under the water and in the skies that they can't explain or that are not part of America's technology? America's technology? There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the US government knows an enormous amount more than it's publicly letting on. And the reason I say that isn't just because of my private, confidential, some very, very senior sources in your military and intelligence

community. It's because there are people who've gone on the record from your government saying this is real. This is an acknowledged reality. Yes, there are UAPs. Even the much-criticised Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who's got the rather difficult job running the Pentagon's UAP office, the AARO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, even he has admitted, and I think testimony he gave to a hearing presided over by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, the senator from New York, he admitted that there are phenomena, anomalous phenomena, that they cannot explain. And they've reiterated this in their most recent report and moreover in the press briefing that Dr Kirkpatrick gave just only a few days ago that your Brian Enten from News Nation appeared at. that they cannot explain, and it's real. So at what point does a news editor on a major newspaper

or a 60-minute style program go, well, let's deploy resources? I mean, think of the way, Chris, we were so led, all of us, myself included, we were all so led by the nose at the time of the beginning of the last Iraq war, you know, the tragedy that we were led into after 9-11. I covered that as a journalist. I covered 9-11 in your country and the tragedy of what happened in the World Trade Center. And then I followed in with the Northern Alliance into Iraq and into Afghanistan, sorry. And I was also there for the eventual invasion of Iraq on the pretext that there were weapons of mass destruction.

And I have a huge problem as a journalist with the fact that we were all so unwittingly led by the nose by people in the intelligence community who assured us that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And they just took them all out of there right when we got there. They just took them all out. We just don't know where they ever went ever again. Saddam couldn't hide, but he could hide all the weapons and the yellow cake. We were so quick to accept the assurances from people in the intelligence community, and rightly so, because you had Cole Powell, the Secretary of State, giving these assurances to the United Nations.

Now, at the same time, clearly, there are people, and I know because I talk to people in your intelligence community in America, and they cheerfully admit to me, yes, there has been a disinformation campaign to stop the American public from engaging with this issue. It goes right back to the Robertson panel in 1952, 51, 52, when a deliberate decision was made by the CIA and it's recorded in documents in black and white. Yes, there was a conspiracy to deceive, mislead the American public about UFOs. At the same time, as they were saying that there's no truth to these suggestions that these are anomalous craft, that they can all be explained prosaically, privately, all the documents that have now been declassified in the last few decades show very, very clearly,

one, there was a deliberate cover-up, and two, it was done at the same time as the US was conducting its own earnest investigations into the phenomenon. In fact, investigations into UAPs, UFOs, have never stopped. The US has been engaging with this subject very seriously, as it rightly should do, because it's a national security issue. Why don't they want people to know? I think it's a variety of reasons. I suspect, I don't know for sure, but the number of sources who are telling me that the United States is in possession of non-human technology is enormous. I've literally just this morning put the phone down from a call I had confidentially with

a source working in a private aerospace company who was talking to me about the material that they work on. They're anxious that the world know about this technology and they're bemused as to why it's being kept secret. They're puzzled. I think, again, I don't think it's a huge conspiracy per se. Yes, there's been a conspiracy to be keeping it quiet. I think what happened during the Cold War, well-meaning people, well-meaning generals and intelligence chiefs made the decision that we were fighting the Soviets, all of us, my country, yours, all around the world, we were faced by an authoritarian All of us, my country, yours, all around the world, we were faced by an authoritarian dictatorship that wanted to basically dominate the planet and destroy democracy.

They didn't want a distraction from that. And for much of the period since the end of the Cold War, there's been a debate going on. I know there was an attempt, there was a working group established in the Pentagon, very loosely involving a small community of intelligence officers and scientists about 25, 30 years ago that started looking at the idea of UFOs, UAPs, because people in the CIA, people in the Pentagon knew it was real. And I think very, very slowly, because of other conflicts, we've been distracted. There's been a beginning of a realization that the American government has to be candid. But I think the primary reason for the secrecy,

the primary reason for the secrecy is within that technology, there are potential weapons that would give the US an advantage over foreign adversaries. That makes the best sense that there is technology that they've come across, whether it's from some other country or a private concern or other, that they don't want people to know they have.

And it leads me with the rest of my exposure to the issue that yes, I think there are things they can explain. That's not my concern specifically, although I do believe it should be served by transparency. My concern is that they do know about a lot of things that they found and where they come from and what they're up to. And I believe with that area of information, they have a responsibility to transparency that they are not serving. And that's the part that is driving my coverage of this. I completely agree with you.

And look, I can tell you, Chris, I started out this game as a very determined skeptic. I was working for Australia's 60 Minutes program about five, six years ago. And I looked around and was looking at what are the issues? What's the one story that we're in the media we've failed to cover properly? And for me, it was UFOs, UAPs. And the thing that I did, I reached out to people that I'd met when I was working in Afghanistan and Iraq with your military,

very senior people in special forces and the intelligence community. And I said, look, this may sound crazy, but I'm interested in UFOs, UAPs. Do you know anybody? And they introduced me to certain people. And what blew me away was, whereas I had innate scepticism, ridicule, taboo, these people were looking at me and going over a bar in Georgetown, Ross, this is real. You do need to investigate this. It's great that somebody like you should look at this. And that was the thing that really blew me away is that there has been this incredible gap, this division between what I know is going on in private. And I think it's outrageous that the United States government is still sitting on this secret. And I don't think

there is any good reason, not that I know of, there's no good reason for this to not be fully disclosed. I can understand the need to protect technologies. I'm a patriot in my country too. I love America. I travel there often. I don't want anything to happen to destroy the balance of power where essentially we have a good country that preserves and protects democracy around the world, dominating, hopefully, world power. And the last thing we want are crazy nutters like Putin or President Xi in China dominating with technology that they've gained perhaps from a non-human intelligence. And so I can understand that we don't need to know in the

same way that we don't need to know about nuclear weapons. I don't know how to make one, neither do you, I hope, and neither should we. But I do think we're entitled to know if there is a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet. And as much as I'm surprised at myself for saying this, because I was such a skeptic five, six years ago, I do think the evidence is becoming overwhelming that the United States knows full well that there is a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet. I don't know that for sure. I still think, you know, they always have to hold the possibility, a few percent, perhaps, possibility that this might be some huge black program that they're concealing. And I suspect part of it is. I do think that the balance to this is that the United States has developed

technology that it's unwilling to disclose. I'll tell you something that happened to me recently, Chris. I had a conversation with a former US Special Forces soldier who was convalescing in a hospital on Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Middle of the night, he got up to go to the bathroom and then have a cigarette. And of course, he wasn't allowed to smoke inside the ward. And he walked outside and looked across around about two o'clock in the morning at a clearing in the Air Force Base. And to his amazement, there was a craft hovering. Now, I don't think this guy's lying to me, and the account that he gave, when I looked at a Google Maps description of the location, it's precise to a T. What he describes is seeing some kind of vehicle that

was hovering over a clearing that was being worked on by US military personnel and civilian personnel in suits. It was clearly high security. He was gobsmacked that he was allowed to see it. I don't think they were aware that he was there. And as he watched, the object quite literally almost dematerialized. It moved so fast. And all he saw was a brief flutter above the trees as whatever it was took off into infinity. 20 minutes later, as he was smoking no doubt another cigarette, he watched it return. Now, I have dozens of accounts like that from US military personnel who've seen things they probably shouldn't. I've also spoken to people who purport to be direct firsthand witnesses to what

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I agree. I mean, I think one of the things I'm not saying is that this is necessarily little green men from the planet Zaga on the system Zeta Reticuli. I think that's the least likely explanation that these things, whatever they are, are extraterrestrial, i.e. from another planet in our solar system or somewhere else in this universe. In fact, as David Grush told me in the interview I did for News Nation, the evidence leans more to the idea that what these are, are some kind of interdimensional intelligence. That one of the things that Neil deGrasse Tyson and other skeptical scientists throw at us constantly is that we certainly don't possess the means for

faster-than-light travel, and crossing the distances in our universe are substantial. It would take hundreds of thousands of years using a conventional rocket to get anywhere near the nearest star in our system. But the interesting thing is, if you accept that there is in quantum physics the capacity to move interdimensionally, theoretically or hypothetically, it's probably a more plausible explanation that whatever this intelligence is, it's engaging with humanity from essentially another fold in space-time. I also don't exclude the possibility that it's AI. I mean, there's a guy, a lovely chap called Jack Safati. He was one of the people credited with saving modern quantum physics. The Hippies Who Save Physics,

I think, is a great book. And Professor Jack Safati tells an amazing story about how, as a young boy, he got a phone call from an AI computer on a spacecraft. As far as I know, from an AI computer on a spacecraft. As far as I know, Jack's not mad, but he tells this incredible story about how I think in 20 or 30 years time, he was going to be told that he had a purpose. And Jack's devoted his life to investigating quantum phenomena

and trying to explain ways that human beings might be able to leave this solar system and travel faster than light. There are people who talk about an uber-consciousness, even the possibility that what we're talking about here, Chris, is what we call God. I mean, really, when you think about it, when you look at the ancient religions, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, what they're all describing is a super intelligence, a higher intelligence that's hopefully benevolently inclined towards humanity, which guides us and protects us. I'm not sure I necessarily subscribe

to the idea that this intelligence is so inclined, because there are malevolent intentions that have been shown from some of the descriptions of experiences. But is it possible that, yes, maybe there's a huge supercomputer that was created tens of billions of years ago that is self-generating, that has essentially created life, that tinkers with us and tinkers with other life all around the universe? I mean, is it incomprehensible that what we think of as God or some kind of uber consciousness is not some artificially generated consciousness? And isn't it inevitable, frankly,

that human beings, as we reach the limits of our brains that we'll essentially transition eventually to technology ourselves and maybe transfer all of our spirit soul onto some kind of computer. I don't think it's inconceivable that that's what we're dealing with. All I'm doing though, as a journalist, is speculating. But what amazes me is I have a lot of conversations with really good people in your defense and intelligence community in the US, people who are very, very open-minded to these ideas. And one of the things that fascinates me is how many of them have started meditating. They've started becoming far more spiritual. That what this phenomenon has done is wake them up to the fact that human beings are asleep at the wheel. We're not consciously

aware to our own capabilities. We have skills that we haven't mastered. And it's really interesting. I'm fascinated by that area. And increasingly, I'm drawn away from the idea of UFOs, UAPs, just as nuts and bolts technology. To me, that's the least interesting aspect of this. I'm fascinated by the idea that what we're dealing with here is a super consciousness, a super intelligence. This is the frustrating thing is a lot of people out there listening to this are probably thinking this guy's gone crazy. You know, Chris and him have got tinfoil hats on their head. And that's because there's a cognitive dissonance between what we hear publicly, these stiff characters like Ron Moultrie, the Office of Defense Intelligence,

sitting in testimony before Congress, and they're kind of equivocating. They never give you a straight answer about what they actually know. And I think it's because the US is deliberately dragging the chain, unwilling to disclose what it knows, at least in part, because frankly, it's largely ignorant of what it is. It knows we're engaging with a super intelligence of some kind. It doesn't understand it. It has recovered some of its technology. But the last thing any government wants to do is convey to its population that really, frankly, it knows two-tenths of bugger all. Could be. Although, you know, we've certainly

shown in recent years that our leaders don't have any problems saying things that make no sense and scaring the shit out of everybody. But, you know, one of the points of resistance to this as a mythology has always been that, well, why is it that it's always in the United States and it's always done by a very certain kind of people who see these things? And shouldn't we be seeing it all over the world? And shouldn't people be capturing images of it on their cell phones all the time? What do you make of that? People are seeing it all over the world. There's a reporting bias with the US because you are a transparent, open, and accountable democracy where people feel okay. I often joke when I come to America that Americans have got a media gene. You actually have an extra strand of DNA that makes you friendly to the media. In Australia, if I go and knock on somebody's door

and ask them to do a TV interview, it's a huge process to try and persuade people to talk to the media because they're terrified of the media. They're innately suspicious. I think your country has an openness and a willingness to engage on this subject that leads to a reporting bias. So there's a difference between the reality and what's being reported. Now, if you go to China, I'm talking to a guy in China right now who's telling me about how he lives near a Chinese military facility and he's seeing objects, orbs, hovering over that facility almost on a nightly basis. He wouldn't dare talk to his public news media about it. He wouldn't stick his head up over a parapet for any reason at all. He sent me photographs of what he's seen. He's wanting

it investigated, but he's absolutely terrified about talking about it. I've had similar conversations with Indian and Pakistani scientists over Indian and Pakistani nuclear facilities. They're seeing similar objects. I'm talking to the French, the British. I've even spoken to some Russians before things got nasty in the Ukraine. And the Russians admit privately that they've had an enormous undertaking to investigate the phenomenon of UAPs. But a large part of this

is people often assume that what they're seeing in the sky, which is unusual, is some kind of secret technology that our government is working on. Governments love that. They love being able to suggest they've got something up their sleeve that they're not letting on about. And so they've kind of encouraged that idea. But frankly, I think part of the issue here is, yes, in the US, they are working on black technology. I'm very confident that the US is working on aerospace projects involving anti-gravity. And I strongly suspect they may very well have had breakthroughs with electromagnetic propulsion of some kind. But I can respect why they're not wanting to talk about that.

That may lead to the reason why governments are consistently putting a lid on it. One of the stories I've told in the past is Special Forces soldiers in Ukraine fighting for the Ukraine government. One of them was a British former para, a special forces soldier. And he described to me how in the middle of the battle that he was in, he looked up and he saw wink into existence what was clearly a craft hovering over the battlefield, clearly doing ISR, intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance. He and I think that what that was was probably

some kind of US craft, some kind of US technology. People I'm talking to since I spoke about that are telling me they've seen that technology all over the world. I've had phone calls from Africa. I've had emails from people in remote little parts of the Caribbean. There is a phenomenon that's being seen all over the world. It's not that it's just being seen in America. It's just that you lovely Americans talk about it more than the rest of us. seen in America. It's just that you lovely Americans talk about it more than the rest of us. We don't fake the funk here, and here's the real talk. Over 40 years of age, 52% of us experience some kind of ED between the ages of 40 and 70. I know it's taboo, it's embarrassing, but it shouldn't be. Thankfully, we now have HIMS, and it's changing the vibe by providing affordable access to ED treatment, and it's all online.

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And it's interesting because if you go into the military archives of the United States, there are many incidents where US military, particularly US pilots, have either disappeared or crashed in strange circumstances. One of the incidents I was talking to somebody about yesterday was in Puerto Rico, where two US fighter jets allegedly disappeared, engaging what witnesses said was a gigantic football field sized craft hovering in the sky. Now, the US at the time obviously denied that this engagement occurred. But the source that I'm speaking to says he knew that two pilots disappeared from the flight line and were officially declared missing. Now, there are these incidents all the way through US military history. And indeed, in my country, there's a case,

a very famous case in 19, I think it was 1978. I'm sure people will correct me if I'm wrong. A young pilot called Frederick Valentich was flying over Bass Strait between the island of Tasmania and the mainland of Australia. And he reported to the air traffic control at Moorabbin in Melbourne that he was being hovered over by a gigantic craft. And in the course of the conversation, all of a sudden, a metallic noise was heard. The audio of that exchange is publicly available and it's quite frightening. Something he claimed was hovering above his aircraft and then he and his aircraft disappeared and were never seen again. These are incidents all over the world. I've got a friend who's a former British intelligence officer with the military.

Frank's spoken publicly about the fact that during the Cold War over what was then Western Germany, he became aware of an incident where multiple fighter aircraft were lost attempting to engage. Frank Milburn basically told me that this was an incident that was reported very, very widely inside military intelligence, but not acknowledged publicly. And he knows about it, and so do other people. But these incidents don't get reported publicly, and I don't know why. But the simple reality is, Chris, there is a phenomenon that is manifesting itself all over the world. And it's real. And it's not just in America.

Do you believe that the United States government has physical remains of an extraterrestrial? When you ask me belief, I'm not religious. So it's not an expression. Belief to me is an expression of religious faith. I work in knowledge. And so as a journalist, I think I'm well beyond prima facie. I'm well beyond what I would call balance of probabilities, the civil burden of proof, more likely than not, that I believe that, yes, I think the evidence suggests very strongly that

the US does possess non-human technology. I'm not at the stage yet where I can say I know because I don't think I'll really believe it for sure until I kick the tires of the proverbial alien spacecraft. I talk to people regularly who tell me that they work directly with this technology. With the technology, but not another body, I mean. Biologics? Yeah.

I've spoken to people who tell me that they have seen biologics, biological samples. They're very, very vague with me about what they see because they're terrified of identifying themselves, and they don't want to give away so that they get compromised what they've seen and where they're working. But, yes, there are people who talk about biologics. David Grush, in his interview with me with News Nation, talked about biologics. And have you noticed, it's really interesting, apart from a very shambolic attempt to use a very junior reporter to try to hurt David Grush's credibility by attacking him for his PTSD, There has not been a peep out of the Pentagon when they've been asked about David Grush. All that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick from

ARO has claimed is that David Grush has resisted being interviewed, which is completely untrue. Mr. Grush has always been very, very willing to engage with RO and with Dr. Kirkpatrick. And moreover, he has already had conversations with Dr. Kirkpatrick, the Pentagon's UFO UAP investigator, before Dr. Kirkpatrick assumed his position as director of AARO, the Pentagon's UAP investigation office. And this is the thing that I find interesting is that the Pentagon has consistently not responded to specific requests from the media for specific answers to specific questions. When they're asked, do they have evidence in the Pentagon or the intelligence community about a non-human

intelligence? All they do is they use this DLIB line, which is the Pentagon's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, ARRO, says that it has no credible evidence to date of extraterrestrial intelligence or whatever the line is. That's not an answer. I want to hear from every single person at the highest level in the Pentagon and the intelligence community what they know. I want to hear from the people who David Grush has privately identified to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and to the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence and to the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence. He's named names. He's named locations. He's said the people who are the

gatekeepers to this alleged legacy crash retrieval reverse engineering program. And the terrible thing is that there is a disingenuous, deceitful approach coming from the Pentagon and the intelligence community that frankly, I think, Chris, is undermining the credibility of your good country. Joe Biden needs to take leadership on this. The President of the United States is going at the end of next year to be faced with a big decision. Because if the Schumer Amendment gets passed, this is an amendment from the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, which is just mind-blowing in its implications. It's a piece of legislation that if passed into the National Defence Authorisation Act, among other things, it will require the establishment of a nine-member presidential records review panel

assessing all UAP records held by the US government. And it will work from an assumption of declassification, a bit like the JFK records. I hope it works a lot better than the JFK records declassifications. But the interesting thing is that within six months of the appointment of that panel, they will be reporting to the president, presumably Joe Biden, presumably around about August, September next year. Could it be, could it be, Chris, that the president of the United States is contemplating an October surprise for the presidential election? States is contemplating an October surprise for the presidential election. Could it be that around about October next year, and I'm only speculating here, but I find the timing of the Schumer amendment very interesting. Is the president going to stand at a lectern at the White House

with Jake Sullivan as national security advisor and tell the truth about what I know he knows? I know he's been briefed. I know he's been briefed. I know he's been briefed. Why wouldn't Trump have said anything about it? President Trump loves to blow up any institutional integrity of any kind. Why wouldn't he be telling people? Now, I know why,

or I have a really good version of the story of why he backed off the Kennedy assassination file. You know, he had said he was going to get that released. Oh, why? I'd love to know that, actually. He got talked out of it, I am told, by Pompeo and some others who said the stuff in there is too damaging to the apparatuses of government that were involved. And you're going to make too many people look too bad if you do that. Now, look, that's hard to believe because it seems like that would be right up Trump's alley in terms of like, you know, what he'd love to do. He's like Captain Chaos. You know, he would, you talk about shambolic. Yeah. He would love to

blow up other people and say that they've been lying to you and deceiving you. But whatever it was, he didn't release it. That's for sure. He could have and didn't. Well, I did speak to somebody. I asked somebody about why Trump didn't. Can you remember that there was that weird exchange with Don Jr., Don Trump Jr.,

where Trump was asked about Roswell and his son goes, oh, dad,., where Trump was asked about Roswell and his son goes, oh, dad, dad, dad, what about Roswell? And Trump goes, well, I know something about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's very interesting. And maybe at some stage, I'll tell you about it. I actually got told by somebody from the intelligence community, and they may have been joking, but they said President Trump was worried he might get killed if he spoke about it. but they said President Trump was worried he might get killed if he spoke about it. And that, to me, is a sinister representation of what lies behind all of this. Because, Chris,

whilst that person may very well have been being flippant with me, one of the things that David Grush has intimated or expressed very, very strongly is that there are criminal actions, illegalities that have taken place, just as I suspect there were with the JFK assassination. I don't think anybody accepts that JFK wasn't a conspiracy. Right. There's no way that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. And you'll be seeing more from me, by the way, on News Nation on that issue very soon.

But the interesting thing is on the UFO subject, there are people who are working in your government who have actively dissembled, lied, and deceived Congress. Now for that, they probably should go to jail, but they won't. Because there is this view that when there are such egregious breaches at the highest levels of your executive government, like Iran-Contra, like the misbehaviour of the Watergate crimes, often it's just embarrassing. And there's always this excuse that we have to avoid undermining the good institutions of government and that the public would be shocked by these revelations. Therefore, we can't tell them about them. Well, how bloody convenient. I think there is a huge scandal. I know there is a huge scandal behind this UAP issue. David Grush has alleged that people have been murdered to protect it. That's

one hell of an allegation. Yep. And you know what? The Pentagon has not responded to that allegation. It has run for cover. Like the cowards that these gatekeepers are, they're frightened of engaging with the public. Now, this is where the president needs to show leadership. Joe Biden has an opportunity here. And I know there are people like President Obama who've been in his ear on this issue, like President Bill Clinton. There's a frustration, particularly on the Democrat side, that we have not, that the US government has not been open with the American public on this issue. There is an opportunity here that is best expressed by the integrity of somebody like Chuck Schumer, one of the most powerful men in the Congress,

of somebody like Chuck Schumer, one of the most powerful men in the Congress, putting his name and his support to the most extraordinary legislation. I sense an agenda. I think that there's a decision that's been made somewhere in the government, in the Democrat Party, that it's time for this story to be told. And I sense on the other side of politics and the Republican Party are similar impatience. It's no coincidence that this is a bipartisan issue. I've never seen a forum before where you've got AOC sitting in the same room with Matt Gaetz. Yeah, and not fighting. Yeah, not fighting. It's amazing. Yeah, I was impressed by that. I talked to a Tennessee representative about it on a regular basis. I am very skeptical about the transparency thing because they seem to have a classification bias in terms of what they're able to know. And you don't have enough of the big names with power in Congress pushing for this.

And I believe cynically that the reason there isn't more energy behind it is because they don't have advantage if there's no ability for one of the parties to use whatever's happening to make the other party look bad or worse like connecting them to being the alien life uh then i think they're going to be a little quiet but i do know this it is one of the most egregious examples of a lack of transparency that I've seen in my time as a journalist, because there's no question that they know things, and even their own explanation of there's nothing to know

would inform their own transparency. If there's nothing to know, then you should be free to talk about it. And they don't, and they're not free. And I hope you're right. I hope there is a lot more to come, not because of any desired outcome, but just so that people know

what the people they put in power know about what matters to them in their own lives, whether it's technology, whether it's organic, inorganic, artificial intelligence, human intelligence, whatever it is, they should know. And Ross, I am always a call away, Ross Colthart, for whatever you got going on.

I love that you're part of the family at News Nation. And I appreciate you for having this conversation. It's a real pleasure. Thanks, Chris. Ross Colthart, nobody's dug in deeper than him when it comes to understanding what we still don't know about what is in the air, what is in the water, and what is in the world around us in this category that we call UAPs or UFOs. You can change the acronym. What we need to change is the transparency. Thanks to Ross, and thanks to you for subscribing, following,

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