The Chris Cuomo Project - Stephen Miller Created His Own Nightmare

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Chris Cuomo breaks down why Stephen Miller’s latest attack on Democrats may reveal more about MAGA’s vulnerabilities than the opposition’s. Cuomo argues that the populist anger that propelled Do...nald Trump to power hasn’t disappeared—it has grown—and that the same frustrations driving voters today could ultimately be turned against Trump and the Republican establishment.   Cuomo also explains what New York City’s recent elections say about the broader political landscape, why establishment candidates continue to struggle, and why voters increasingly favor outsiders over experience. Plus, he examines why “democratic socialism” has become such a difficult political brand, arguing that Democrats are making the right diagnosis about many of America’s problems while handicapping themselves with language that alienates persuadable voters.   Join The Chris Cuomo Project on YouTube for ad-free episodes, early releases, exclusive access to Chris, and more: https://www.youtube.com/@chriscuomo/join Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Save 20% on your first online Lucy order at https://lucy.co/CUOMO with promo code CUOMO! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:40 Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan. We used to have a country where you had a center left Democrat Party, really a center, I would say a center to center left with many members who were actually center right. These were called Reagan Democrats or Blue Dog Democrats. So that was the spectrum the Democrat Party lived in from center left to center right. Then you had a Republican Party, right? A conservative party. And over time, the Democrat Party has abandoned all of that, and they have instead adopted this radical, revolutionary,
Starting point is 00:01:11 and in many cases, violent ideology that wants to tear America down and destroy everything that we know and love from top to bottom, right? Living in a state of total anarchy, without police, without law enforcement, where criminals can rape and maim and murder with impunity, where your kids are taught from the age of two to hate America, to hate their God, to hate their parents, to hate their family, to even hate their own gender. That's their agenda. And no, you cannot have a middle ground with that.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Ultimately, what President Trump is doing and what he is leading is an America First movement that says we need Democrats to come vote for us to leave that insanity. Because ultimately, that's just a death knell for America. Wow. Talk about high on your own supply. Stephen Miller doesn't understand he created the monster. See, this is the problem with when you get into power, and it holds the key to why Stephen Miller is about to lose all the power he tried so hard to create because he has failed. and he has failed to see what he really is. He is deluded.
Starting point is 00:02:20 He is the radical. He has ruined the Republican Party. He doesn't see it. And in that is not only the explanation for what just happened in New York City and what's going to keep happening all over this country in election after election, because it has nothing to do with New York City. It has to do with the majority of people being right. about what's wrong. And what Miller doesn't understand is that that's what got him where he is.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Despite all his antics and his racism and his xenophobia and his nativism and his division, he's so high on his own supply, he doesn't get it. Maga succeeded despite all of the things that he is about. See, so he is trying to identify that in the mega movement. That's what I call. what is being dismissed as mere democratic socialism. And I'll explain. But this is the opportunity. Change is here. Critical thinkers who believe in fixing America first,
Starting point is 00:03:26 why do I brand these things? Because they should be more powerful than party. More powerful than the division. Are the instruments, the instruments of our improvement. Fix America first means what, deal with the problem. stop blaming people. Fix is the operative word. He's all about blame, this little bastard. He's all about
Starting point is 00:03:50 who's wrong and what should scare you. That's all he's got. And he is now afraid of that. And he thinks he'll be able to make you afraid of it. But it's not going to work because he represents the things he wants you to be afraid of. And that's what everybody sees him as. You see what I'm saying? There's an amazing opportunity in this, but there's also a huge challenge, present. by one word, and you need all of reality to defeat one word. And that's why I've tried to help solve it. Why? Not because I care about the left versus the right, because I care about right versus wrong. And we know what's wrong in society. And we are in such an important moment with these elections and what they indicate about what is to come. But our future is highly dependent on how the resistance
Starting point is 00:04:41 deals with a couple of fundamental questions. You want to know what they are and talk about what the answers may wind up being? Good. I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to Chris Cuomo project. Thank you for subscribing and following and joining me here. So here is the deal. Stephen Miller's afraid he should be afraid. Interesting to me is he describes the Democratic Party as this spectrum, which by the way, I don't really agree with, but it doesn't matter. Tip O'Neill, Ronald Reagan, didn't agree on anything. They weren't centrist anything. Nobody wants to be centrist, especially in a time of turmoil, which we are in. Centrist, what does that even mean? Well, I'm kind of not here or there. It's like middle. Nobody wants to be in the middle of anything. You want to be. You want to be. You want to be.
Starting point is 00:05:39 a critical thinker. You want to be reasonable. Okay. That doesn't mean centrist. That doesn't mean middle. It means, well, I'm a progressive pragmatist, meaning what? I want progress. And I look at it case by case with a set of principles that guide me and everything. You know, give me the situation. I'll give you the solution. Okay. It's not going to just hew to a party. That's what he wants. He wants extremism. He brought extremism into the mainstream with Trump. That's why Trump likes him, because he feeds his crazy. He keeps people distracted and stupid because they're not being critical thinkers
Starting point is 00:06:15 because they're overpowered by emotion of fear of prejudice. That's what he wants. And now he sees, because see, he has forgotten that that's what he is. So he's identifying it in the other side. They're radical. No, you are radical.
Starting point is 00:06:31 No, you want people to destroy everything America is. You want to destroy diversity. You want to destroy due process. You want to destroy our institute. You do. That's what you want. You want this to be a white country. You want to up the birth rate of white people. Like that's what you think is the solution to anything. You want to have more babies. Great. You better be able to feed them. You better be able to provide the opportunity of life, real life, not just in here, out to shoot where it matters, where you don't give a shit about it, where your policies disadvantage it. But he doesn't want you to know any of that. He doesn't want you to know any of that. He doesn't. He doesn't want you to deal with this. He doesn't want you to deal with this. He just wants to have you afraid of who's the blame for the problem, the brown menace. But even in his description of the Democratic Party, with them, he sees a range. He sees a spectrum. But with the Republicans,
Starting point is 00:07:23 no, he just sees a conservative party. You think Donald Trump is a conservative? He's conservative when it comes to telling you the truth. He's conservative on the truth, right? Because he's full of shit most of the time, just like this guy. You don't think the Republican Party was a speck. If it were in a spectrum, then how did it get overtaken by its fringe? Because that's all MAGA is. Is the fringe of the Republican Party? Those people have always been there. They've always been there.
Starting point is 00:07:51 But they've never been in power. Why? You think Ronald Reagan? He coined the phrase, or his writer, coined the phrase, make America great again. Did you know that? That Trump took it from him. You knew that, right? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Now you know. He didn't talk to people about xenophobia. He was pro-immigration. He believed in restraint on what to do with illegal immigrants. Did you know this? He was not about being angry. Look, I think some of his ideas and what he wanted wound up taking you the same place as Trump, but he didn't talk about it to stay away. He did not. He had a decency to him. Now, you may disagree with that, but he presented himself. And he's discussed things in what. ways with a decency. Trump abandoned that by design. Why do you think people tell you that Trump is so different in person? That he can be so charming that people like being around him. Why? Because he's faking it. Because he's exaggerating himself for effect to make you angry, to make you prejudiced, to make you afraid. See, now they are afraid because they see exactly what made Maga powerful, amplified and magnified in what is coming at them right now. Now, that's going to make you feel good, right?
Starting point is 00:09:18 Should. Should make you feel good. Why do I call it mega? Now, first, let's discuss the wrong reason, the wrong answer to that question. Some of you who resist MAGA, who are anti-Trump, I think you first of all, you've got to think about what are you for? And that's not a semantic thing, and it's not some bullshit go high when they go low standard. It's strategic. The reason I say it is not because I think that the reaction to MAGA is like MAGA just more so,
Starting point is 00:09:58 meaning more prejudice, more angry, more destructive. No, I don't mean that at all, and I don't think that at all. Just look at the no-kings protests. The largest protests in the history of country? Almost no violence. Why? Because it's not about hurting and destroying. That's what MAGA is.
Starting point is 00:10:18 I don't call it mega because it's more MAGA-ish. No, it's just it's more people from more places and more different kinds of faces who are right about what's wrong. The system isn't working for the many. Full stop. Full stop. That's all you need. The system isn't working for the many. It's working for the few. That's it. More people agree with that in more places and from more different backgrounds and aspects of life than during 2015 with MAGA. That's why I call it mega. It's a bigger populist outrage movement at the status quo. And who owns the status quo? Maga does. No Biden. Bullshit. That won't work. work. That won't work. And it's not working. You see it in every measure. Why? It's common sense.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Critical thinking. Unless you got blinders on and you're just blind obeisance to a partisan point of view. You see it every day. You see it every way. You just do. Okay. So let's just assume it because it's everywhere. All right. I like mega. Why? Well, first of all, it's a little stupid. and it's not an acronym, so I don't know. Here's why I'm coming up with it. I'm coming up with it because we need an alternative. Why do we need? Who's, first of all, who's we?
Starting point is 00:11:47 Oh, no, no. I believe in Fix America first. I believe the country should be obsessed with its own problems and what to do about it. Absolutely. That's what I mean when I say we. We should be fighting about how to fix. How do you fix health care?
Starting point is 00:12:02 Let's fight. Let's fight about it. Because I do not think the private sector is the answer. I think single payer is the answer. And I can explain it and I can argue with you about it. And you can disagree. And you can modify the position and say it's got to be a different way. And we can come to some accommodation that both of us think makes the other person a little stupid.
Starting point is 00:12:20 It makes us a little pathetic. But at least we're getting something done that puts us in the direction of where we think we're supposed to be. I'd be okay with that. We're nowhere near that right now. So I call it mega because saying socialists is a huge barrier to entry. and in politics, if you have to explain why something is what you're saying it is, you're losing. Maga, you don't have to explain. Now, I think you need to explain because I don't see it as what you say it is.
Starting point is 00:12:54 I see MAGA as an inherently reductive statement. How is greatness? Because the word again is what changes it for me, just like it did with Reagan. And remember who I am. I'm Mario Cuomo's son. He was the OG enemy of mega. Why? Because he knew Reagan was speaking in code the same way Trump is.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Great again. Means what? Before diversity? Before you had laws empowering equity in society? Fairness? Due process. Is that what you mean? That's certainly what Trump means.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Absolutely. The guy wants to destroy institutions like no one I've ever seen. seen. So does Stephen Miller. That's the irony. That's why I laugh at him. I laugh at his desperation. This is why he won't come on any of my platforms. He's a joke. His arguments are simple. They're facile. They're obvious. Why? Because they come from a place of weakness, not strength. I can't be better, so I have to make you convinced everything else is worse. That I'm an alternative. That's all he's got. You know? They hate everything that's America. What does that even mean? What does that even mean that they hate everything in America?
Starting point is 00:14:09 What do you love that's America if you support Trump? What are you talking about? The only thing that supporting Trump proves about you that's a positive is that you believe in live and let live. You believe that free speech matters so much that you have to tolerate complete bullshit that you don't agree with and don't like and don't think warrants attention. That's the only value because that's what you're showing. a demonstration of tolerance by allowing him to exist within the process and have this kind of power. The fact that that's okay is a testament to your belief in our system. Other than that, it's complete
Starting point is 00:14:48 capitulation. It's complete surrender. Everything about it is reductive in trying to destroy the country. You don't even want people to think elections work. You suck, Stephen Miller. Okay? By design, you suck. Support for the Chris Cuomo project comes from Lucy. Are you a pouch person? Is that how you get your nicotine? Well, if that's how you choose to get your nicotine, you better get it the best way possible. And that is Lucy. Why?
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Starting point is 00:17:41 Now, do I think that's fair? No, but fair is a four-letter word, especially in politics. There's no such thing. Reality loses to perception most of the time. And the perception here is that you are selling something
Starting point is 00:17:57 that people should not want to buy. And it seems radical, it seems anti-American. And then they put the overlays of the the comfort, the nonchalance, the apparent sympathy for Islamism and anti-Semitism. Now you're playing with other boogeymen, as if socialism wasn't enough of a boogeyman. Now you want to play with Islam. Now, again, I don't buy into, I'll tell you what, I buy into problems with socialism for America
Starting point is 00:18:34 way more than I buy into the idea of Islamophobia. I do not see Muslims as an inherent problem anymore than I see Christians. Oh, they're not the same. You can tell yourself that. Religion can be exaggerated for effect in any monotheistic system. And no, I am not inherently worried about people who are Muslims. any more than I am by Christians. So what am I missing?
Starting point is 00:19:10 Well, what I'm missing is that you don't see Muslims the way I do. You see them as Islamists, extreme Islamists. You see them as terrorist adjacent. You see them as okay with terrorists. You see them as accepting that terrorists are among them and part of them. Most Muslims don't. Most overwhelmingly. They don't. They see them as the shit. They see them as the N-words of their type.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Islamists, extreme Islamists, are not Muslims. They've perverted the faith and made it something that's not supposed to be. Oh no, the Quran has bad stuff. The Bible is bad stuff in it. But more importantly, Christian or Christendom, as we used to call it, has bad actors in it who use the faith to create prejudice and create violence and tension and war, so does Islam. You're right. A lot of bad men get involved with religion for bad reasons and use it as a tool for badness. You're right. Now, coupling the socialism with a cottoning to Islamism is a very tough combination of phobias for the American people to swallow. I'm less worried about the second than I am the first, because these aren't Islamists, even a Zoran Mamdani with his funny name and his brown skin
Starting point is 00:20:37 and him constantly saying things that make you feel that he's okay with the terrorists. One, I don't believe that he is sympathetic to terrorism. I think he has good faith problems with how Israel prosecutes its existence. I don't agree with him. I don't. But I don't think that makes him evil. okay and I don't need to say that he's evil in order for me to be right about what he's wrong about I don't need that and this is a guy who ran against my brother and said really ugly shit about my brother
Starting point is 00:21:13 and made me want to like punch him in the face but that's because I'm a brother and I care about my family more than I do about politics um but I'm not going to demonize the guy I didn't do it during the race and I'm not going to do it now um why because it's not I don't choose to be like that. That's why. That's my choice. Okay. And people in politics make different choices. Stephen Miller made a choice to be a piece of shit and to scare people and make them hate one another. That's his choice. And now he's trying to blame his opposition for that, which is ironic, right, at a minimum. He's also wrong because I don't believe that that's what they're about. They're not about jihad. That's not true. They're about changing the system. Same way MAGA was.
Starting point is 00:22:02 same was same way now this democratic socialism makes it harder for them it's going to be hard to sell democratic socialism in america it's going to be hard and explaining is lose it i think they need to call it something else and no democrat doesn't work why because you do need balance you need to be something different you need to be something new you need to be disruptive you need to be insurgent You need all of those things. Why did Brad Lander win? He's a shitty candidate. He is an off-putting, you know, unlikable person.
Starting point is 00:22:44 So why did he win? Because he's right about what's wrong and he has been adopted by that populist movement. Just like Trump. Brad Lander, Lander's, is just like Trump. Okay? You say, no, he's not, he's not as bit. Whatever. He is a list of unappealing personal characteristics.
Starting point is 00:23:07 But he's still one. Why? Because people care about something else more than how ugly he is, personally or character-wise or whatever. Whatever you choose is your metric. They care about something else more. That's why Zoron Mamdani won. That's why Donald Trump won. And I keep bringing up Trump because you've got to understand that.
Starting point is 00:23:28 That's why Santos won. That's why flawed people win. That's why bad people win, because they are connected to something that matters more to the many. Donald Trump was right about what was wrong. The system doesn't work. It's not fair. The working man is being biased by the system. And the institutions don't do what they were set up to do. He was right about all that. He just had no intention of making any of it better. but I don't blame the people who voted for him for being duped. He's a good salesman. And they are desperate and desperate people do desperate things. And now there are more desperate people.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And you see what they're doing in New York City. Goldman was a good member of Congress, but he's an establishment. Just like Andrew Cuomo. It's part of the establishment. Oh, no, but he worked from within. And Goldman fought against this and fought against that. And Andrew Cuomo fought against this and bought against that. Their establishment.
Starting point is 00:24:25 I want disruption. I want an outside. cider, I want new. You check none of those boxes. You check none of them. So Goldman loses to this frog. Why? Because it's not about man for man. It's not about trade for trade. It's about who's right about what's wrong. And you can't be as right as I am about what's wrong. You're part of the establishment. You're part of the problem. Now, I get it. I understand it. I don't really like it. I'll tell you why. You come from people who don't understand how the system works, and they can't really work the system the same way. And I know it seems so seductive that I want
Starting point is 00:25:13 someone in there is just going to fucking break this shit and doesn't know how to do what they do and he just doesn't know. But you've got to know how to do something. The problem with a Spencer Pratt, the problem with any of these insurgent disruptors for me is you don't know how to do the job. Once you get in and win, look at Trump. He doesn't know how to do it. And And this is his third chance at figuring out how to do it. He doesn't know how to do it. Why do you think the war is so fucked up? Why do you think the tariffs blew up?
Starting point is 00:25:41 Why? Because he doesn't know how to run things. He doesn't know how to make deals. That's a lie. It's a myth. He didn't even write the art of the deal. Did you know that? He didn't even fucking write it, let alone live it.
Starting point is 00:25:59 What great deal has he made to get himself out of bankruptcy, to get himself out of debt, to sell his name and image to people, to be a reality TV star, that's a deal? It's not a deal. Working with the regime now is going to force him to make a deal, and he's not even at the table. He didn't do the Abraham Accords. He wasn't even at the table.
Starting point is 00:26:23 He can't make a single deal in Congress. So you see what I'm saying? It's a mythology. But people went with it. Why? Because they're stupid? No, because they abandoned their critical thinking. out of desperation.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And he's a disruptor. He's the enemy of their enemy. That's exactly what's going on now. And the more MAGA tries to demonize, the reaction, the resistance, the stronger it will become. Keep calling them radical. Keep saying they hate the country.
Starting point is 00:26:58 See what that does. You're going to just put more and more people into their ranks. Why? because they should be. The more you say that people thinking that what you're doing is wrong makes them the problem, the more people you're going to lose. We need real Democrats to come and vote for us.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Why the fuck would they vote for you? You ugly little hater, why would they vote for you? Your head is a metaphor for how unappealing your ideas are. your head is like the perfect vessel for the ideas that come out of it your ideas look like you they look like stephen miller stephen miller looks like what he's selling you this ugly twisted diseased version of a young man why would they vote why would they want to join you because the other is worse we're done with that we're exhausted by that we're exhausted by that we're exhausted with picking the lesser of two evils. Enough, this bullshit binary system. If we can't change this
Starting point is 00:28:09 binary system and have more choice, we're going to have to change what each of the choices is in that moment. That's what populism does. That's why we need populism in the first place, is because the system is so structured and rigid and limited for change that you have to basically have these paroxysms, these kinds of like these, you know, these spasms of fringe thinking and insurgent thinking because you can't change this binary system. You don't have enough choice. And you control the primary system. So this is the only way to get the many into positions of influence. So the Republican Party gets consumed by its fringe. Maga, you're not conservatives.
Starting point is 00:29:02 You're not real conservative. There are real conservatives among you, but that's not what you are in the main. No way. It's not conservative to be prejudiced. That's not inherently conservative. That's not what conservatism is about. Right?
Starting point is 00:29:19 Conservatism isn't owned by whites or whiteness. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. Conservative is live and let live. It's not I don't get to live the way that I want because it bothers your misplaced sense of faith or propriety. That's not live and let live. It's not conservative. See what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:29:40 So the Republican Party was consumed by its fringe, MAGA. And now I believe the nature of pendular change and our binary system is now you're going to see the same thing happen in reaction to it. The Democratic Party is getting consumed by its fringe. Now, MAGA will agree with this. because they want that fringe to be a scary thing. They just didn't want that when it was them being analyzed that way, right? They were the real ones. That's how they feel in the Democratic Party.
Starting point is 00:30:09 That's how they feel and their ranks are going to swell. Now, the Democratic Socialist thing is not helpful. And I know that's not fair. I understand political science. I understand what that word really means, that term. And I understand what it doesn't mean. But again, this is politics. And politics is about persuasion.
Starting point is 00:30:28 and persuasion is about perception, overwhelming reality, which it usually does in our politics. And socialism is a barrier to entry. It just is. Do I like that? I don't have a feeling one way or the other. I think it was a mistake. I think you need to change this right away. And here's why you can get away with changing it the way I did making it mega. Not my best idea. I'm open to better ones. Please let me know. You can do FAAF. You can fix America. first. I mean, FAF doesn't sound that great. MAGA doesn't sound that great either,
Starting point is 00:31:04 but Faf. Nah, it doesn't really work. But Fix it works. This is the fix it movement. Fix it. This is the fix it movement. Fix it. And here's the nice thing about fix. If you look back at its root in language, its etymology,
Starting point is 00:31:25 Latin, fakere, sounds like fuck. So that gives you a little bit of edge to it. You got to call it something else. Why? Because it isn't what it sounds like. That's why. You don't want to destroy capitalism.
Starting point is 00:31:40 You want to change how it rewards winners and on what basis. I'll give you a perfect example of a solution. We have a two-tiered tax system, right? I pay over 50% federal, state, local taxes. I pay more in federal taxes than Amazon does. Why? Because we have a tiered system. They get a preference. They don't have a right to it. It's a privilege. It's a preference. That's a privilege. That's something that is given. It is not something that is owned. Okay. Why do they get a preference? Because they hire a lot of people because that's good for communities because they help us build and grow. Okay. That's good. We'll give you a preference. All right. Great. Now, if you look at it, it a little bit more deeply. Why do we only give it to the C-Corps? Did you know that over 99% of the businesses in America are small businesses that get taxed as individuals? You get certain more deductions for things, but you're basically taxed as an individual. And the LLC or a partnership
Starting point is 00:32:44 or any of these things are flow-through entities. You still get charged as an individual. That's why people try to keep money in their business and try to grow the business and do all those kinds of things until they can sell the business and use it as a capital gain. You know, there are games that you play. But the system isn't set up to reward you for being a small business. up to reward you for being a big business. Why? Because they hire half the workers and they provide half the GDP. Small businesses do the other half. They're just a lot fewer, big corporations and little businesses. So that's why they get the preference. Okay. So the way I understand it, which is the way it is, is that you get the preference because you provide value to your workers and we want
Starting point is 00:33:26 to reward that and incentivize it. Okay, I agree. So what does it? You know, it mean when your biggest corporations, your biggest employers, Walmart and Amazon, have a significant number of their workers on food stamps and Medicaid, what does that tell you? Well, that what they're being given a privilege for, they are now providing. If I have to pay for your workers to eat, if I have to pay for your workers to deal with their illness, why do you deserve a preference? You don't. So what if you change the preference? That if you have a certain percentage of your workers who are on public assistance, you don't get that tax structure anymore. Is that socialism? No more than you getting the preference in the first place.
Starting point is 00:34:21 You see what I'm saying? It's just choices. You can say, well, that's not capitalism. You're telling people what they have to pay people. No, I'm creating a condition on what basis. is you get a preference. You're getting a privilege. I'm giving you a gift. Shouldn't you have to do something in return for it? Yes, is the answer. Okay, this is what you have to do. There's nothing not capitalistic about it any more so than the original preference. There's a solution. You have antitrust laws. Break up the verticals within health care. Break it up from an antitrust perspective. Change the laws. You don't get to have all the profit centers so you control all the pricing. Oh, no, the market sets up. No, they don't. You don't because you basically have a functional monopoly where the private sector just gets to charge whatever it wants. You have to pay. Otherwise, you die. You get sick. You can't take care of yourself. It's not like cars where you have other choices at different price points. You don't have that. Yeah, that's the solution. More choice.
Starting point is 00:35:34 You're already in control in the private sector and you haven't given us more choice. You make as much money as you fucking can for yourself. That's what you do. Unless you're put in check. That's a solution. Put them in check. Break up the verticals. Why is it that the best functioning healthcare system in our country is Medicare?
Starting point is 00:35:52 Now, they fucked it up by doing what? Medicare Advantage. Why? Because they gave the private sector more pricing control. Look it up. Why does that one work the best for the most people? because they did exactly what I'm saying until they undid it with the Medicare advantage
Starting point is 00:36:07 and the part B and all that other shit. Just do your homework. Be a critical thinker and you'll see what the key is to fixing America. If they rebrand what the resistance is to MAGA, it's over for the midterms. And for good reason. Why? Because the many are right about what's wrong,
Starting point is 00:36:27 just like they were when they were duped by MAGA, even more so. Why? Because Trump has made the problems worse with his stupid policy decisions, which is the price of desperation, which is picking someone who promises disruption and it sounds good, but he can't deliver. That's what won in New York City, the same thing that won with MAGA. Same thing. We are right about what's wrong and we will take imperfect people that come along with shitty ideas that we don't really believe in,
Starting point is 00:36:58 but it's better than what's there. And I'm not going with centrist. I'm not going with middle. I'm not going with establishment. I'm not going with same old, same old, because that's how we got here. And I'm not going to keep doing the same thing and think it's going to get me to a different place. That's called insanity.
Starting point is 00:37:20 That's where we are. That's the opportunity. That's the challenge. Now, the good news is the hard part is connecting with people with what matters to them. and what makes them angry, what they want to change. That's the hard part. You're there.
Starting point is 00:37:44 You're there with the anti-Maga movement. You're there. But you just can't be anti-Maga. You've got to be for something. And Democratic socialism, I don't mean to condemn it as an idea. I'm just saying as a brand, as a sales pitch in America, it is a tough sell. somebody said, you know, yeah, it's like the libertarians of the right. No, it isn't. Nobody knows what libertarian means and libertarians aren't scary and libertarians never run anything.
Starting point is 00:38:14 And libertarians have never existed in a way that have been made something in history. Socialism has. It's seen as a cousin to communism and Russia, Nazis and this and South America and, you know, banana republics. It's just got a terrible reputation. there's no reason to own that reputation in this moment. You have to call it something else. You need to brand it something else. Because look, here's what we know. The same thing that worked for Trump is going to work against Trump.
Starting point is 00:38:52 AOC is far from a perfect politician. Her personal characteristics, her behavior, her ideas, a lot of things make her. imperfect. But why is she polling so high? Because she's right about what's wrong. And people want change. And the more desperate they become for change, the less discerning about their change agent they become. Again, the more desperate people become for change, the less discerning, the less picky they get about their change agent. That's the explanation of AOC. That's the explanation of Trump. That's the explanation of Mondani.
Starting point is 00:39:36 That's the explanation of who won in New York City. And I will say this. I am contented by Jack Schlossberg and Conway getting their asses kicked. Not because I don't like them. I don't know them. But they're posers. And I'm glad that posers got exposed. Brad Landers is a weak candidate, okay?
Starting point is 00:40:05 Even for the House. But he is a real one. He believes in these things. He is right about what's wrong systemically. How to fix it, I think he's way off. But that's my right, just like his right to be wrong, right? Maybe I'm wrong. Okay, I don't hate the man.
Starting point is 00:40:26 I would hate him if he made me want to hate. And I don't really think that's what he's about. I mean, he's anti-Semitic, but I mean, you know, he's kind of like a self-hating anti-Semitic person. But whatever. I don't care about any of that because he's right about what's wrong. And that's what you saw there. is a continuation of the populist outrage movement.
Starting point is 00:40:45 It is no different than MAGA in that way. Brad Landers is not your ideal choice for anything, but he's better than these posers and establishment people. So he beats Goldman, even though Goldman is a way better candidate. He's got a better pedigree. He's got a better set of personal traits. He's a better performer.
Starting point is 00:41:07 He's just better, but he's part of the establishment. and we want disruption. We want outsiders. Okay, now, am I part of that we? No, not really. Why? Because I don't believe in just naked disruption. I don't know that it necessarily makes anything better.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Well, it can't be any worse. Oh, yeah, it can be a lot fucking worse. Why do you think so many people who are coming here for the world couple? Like, wow, French fries. Because life is hard in a way that is hard for us. to imagine in most other places. We have benefits and blessings here that we do not appreciate enough. And I understand why.
Starting point is 00:41:48 All pain is personal and everything is relative. You know, it's like when my father used to say, oh, you know, this guy, you're bad, you've got to have surgery on your knee, but you could have no leg. It could have been blown off by a mind. Yeah, I understand. That would suck a lot worse.
Starting point is 00:42:04 But that's not where I am. I'm with this, with my knee. All pain is personal. MAGA is on the ropes because of its own choices. And it picked somebody to disrupt who can only disrupt in a way that is making things worse. And that's all the proof is there for you to see about what is wrong with Trump and his administration and his ugly little troll Stephen Miller, who's a great mascot for MAGA. He is everything that MAGA makes is what is repulsive about MAGA. So, Democratic socialism is a tough sell.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Being right about what's wrong is not. They are one word away. What's the right word? You tell me. Thank you for subscribing and following. I'm Chris Cuomo, trying to help make sense of the moment, and we are in a moment. And this moment is going to matter. I'll see you in the morning on SXM.
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