The Chris Cuomo Project - The Unexpected GIFT Trump Just Gave Democrats

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

"President Donald Trump has sparked a political firestorm with a new Truth Social post demanding that Big Pharma release data on the COVID-19 vaccines developed under Operation Warp Speed, his signature pandemic initiative. Trump says he has seen “extraordinary” information about the vaccines and wants it made public — a move that could validate his program while putting him at odds with much of his own base, which has spent years pushing anti-vaccine narratives that fueled the MAGA misinformation machine. This surprise turn creates a rare opportunity for Democrats to challenge those narratives and highlight the truth about what the vaccines did and didn’t do, even if it indirectly boosts Trump’s legacy. Chris Cuomo explains how this reckoning over pandemic data could reshape political alliances, deepen divides within Trump’s movement, and expose bad-faith actors who profited from spreading lies. He also breaks down how both parties mishandled pandemic messaging and policies — from school shutdowns to mask guidance — and why understanding those failures is critical to preventing the same mistakes in the future." Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Support our sponsors: Go to http://GetSoul.com and use the code CUOMO. That’s GetSoul.com, promo code CUOMO for 30% off Save more than fifty percent on term life insurance at https://selectquote.com/CHRISC TODAY to get started. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Literally, everything just changed. Do you know that? Chris Cuomo here. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. Everything just changed. Forget about Epstein. Yeah, that's not working out well for Trump and MAGA because they were selling a mythology and now the payment is due. And that's going to keep going. And Roe Kana understands that on the left. And that's why he's playing with Massey at supposedly transparency. That's all the issue is for me. Do I believe there's a client list? Do I believe any of those things? No, I think it's all bullshit. But I wasn't the one selling it. But I am here for transparency. Same thing with UFOs. But that's not what I'm talking about. In the midst of all the noise of our end of summer, okay, activities, there was a social media post from the president of the United States that made a demand that Democrats should jump on like it was a trampoline that sends you to heaven. Here is the post from the president of these United States that he wants.

the big pharma companies behind the COVID vaccine to put out the data that they have shown him that proves that his operation warp speed was the best, that it made the biggest difference during the pandemic. Now, why is this huge? Because this is the heart. This is ground zero. This is, you pick whatever metaphor you want. I see it as more of a volcano, but you pick whatever metaphor you want. This is the root of MAGA misinformation. This is it. It all grows out of the pandemic, but really the anti-vax movement. All of your pod bros have been all in on this, including the rogue Rogan. Okay, Rogan now is, oh, what are you separating these families for and who voted for that and oh there's another head scratcher you know if he had air he'd be

pulling it out why because he's starting to think about what he sees around him too late for him not for you in terms of making an opportunity out of this why because rogan and all the other pod bros look ivermectin i was one of the guys who was too hard on him for that why because he wasn't taking horse paste but when it was horse paste veterinary grade ivermectin is not for you or me okay and it shouldn't have been taken to deal with COVID. And Ivermectin should not have been taken for stand-alone treatment of COVID, okay? That was not intelligent. That was not science-based remedies, okay?

Is it part of a remedies protocol? Absolutely. You can have that conversation all day. And we should. And we may because of what Donald Trump just did that the Democrats have to pounce on. first of all don't get stuck on the cheap point of trump's an idiot they already put the data out we already know all these things look at all this and on the screen now i'll have the producers show you all the different data that has come out from all the different vaccine makers about

what it was but here's why it's so huge the president isn't being a dope because he doesn't know that the data came out. Don't, don't stop there. He shouldn't really be that aware that the data has come out because he's not a student of those things. I'm not making an excuse. I'm just explaining. And in Maga World, they pretend there is nothing known except these little pieces of opportunistic data that they twist to get people like you to believe that it was all a scam. COVID, was just another version of the flu, and the vaccine isn't even a vaccine, and it didn't really help anybody and may have heard anybody just as many or more, and didn't save any lives. Bobby Kennedy says this all the time. Bet you he's going to stop. Betcha Bobby Kennedy is going to stop saying what he used to say, oh, I'm already right. I'm already right.

Oh, I can end this episode right here. You know I'm already right. You've heard Bobby Kennedy say with me, to me and many. others. I'm not anti-vax. You know why? Trump. Trump said, get the words anti-vax out of your mouth. Get COVID vaccine poison out of your fucking mouth. Okay? How do I know? Because I know. And it doesn't matter how I know because you see it. When's the last time you heard Bobby Kennedy say any of the shit that he used to say all the time? And he wrote in his book. When's the last time you heard him Tony Fauci, a boogeyman of all that. But here's what the president did. Wittingly or unwittingly, it doesn't matter. He has set the table for a showdown, for a reckoning that will make all the difference. And there's an amazing opportunity for the Democrats in this. Why? Because the data,

okay, and yes, of course, you're going to have to wade through the fact that this is big pharma and that they cherry pick their data and that there may be other data. This is a lot of going to be hard. This isn't going to be easy, but there's an opportunity on the table. These people have been full of shit about how getting vaccinated made things worse. Okay, and that's, look, whether it's a Dave Smith or a Rogan or any of his other little puppies, you know, are the pod bros. They've all said this one way or another. Okay? And one that makes it hard for Trump. That's why Trump has stopped talking about what was his signature achievement, which was Operation Warp Speed.

Why? Because the pod bros all went bad on it. When he went out of office and I went out of my position, you know, I get a lot of heat for what happened in 2021, 2021, 2022. I wasn't on TV. You know what I mean? I wasn't really part of that, but I'm blamed for a lot of the reporting.

That's fine. I don't care. This is the opportunity. Let's have the reckoning on the record. Let's have the reckoning of the record. when it comes to the vaccines. What worked, what didn't, for who, how many, and how do we know? This is an amazing opportunity for several reasons, okay?

One, politically, let's go through that first. Be nice if truth really matters, right? And of course it does. Of course it does. And this is going to create a lot of tension within MAGA, with the big man. Why? because the minions, you think Epstein has them sideways with Trump? This is all about what the latest grift is for these pod bros.

This isn't about your health. This isn't about making anything better. It isn't about truth. This isn't about, you know, fighting for the democracy or anything. It's about money. It's about money. It's about clicks. Megan Kelly talking to Candace Owens about whatever bullshit.

It's a grift. It's a way. It's the new. It's the now of how they get you to click on them. They're not guided by principle. They're guided by profits, right? They're not stupid like me and picking these positions that don't please either fringe. It's not satisfying.

That doesn't give you the sugar high. That doesn't fuel your instant animus for the other side. That's how you get paid. And they all started that cycle with anti-vax bullshit. And the data is out there. And if the president is motivated to have this reckoning of the record. Now, why would he do that? Why would he go sideways with the pod bros, especially with the Epstein shit?

Well, one, anything's better than talking about Epstein. Two, because he cares about getting the credit for the vaccine. That is the crazy part of the political dynamic. His people hate what he sees as his signature achievement. And this vaccine injury stuff has made that legacy more precarious. So what they're banking on most, which is this bullshit, in my opinion, okay, as someone who actually has what is clinically accepted as long COVID, on the mild side, definitely one of the fortunate ones, mass cell activation is baby games compared to what people deal with as the sequelae or what follows from them having. COVID, what we now call long COVID, used to call long haul, whatever, whatever you want to call it. I feel for them, I report on it, it resonates with me, I believe in it, I'm one of the lucky ones, but it's real.

Vaccine injuries, real, how much? We have no idea, but they have run with it, and now everything that happens bad to you after you've been vaccinated is because of the vaccine. Oh, my kid has a vaccine. Oh, I have cancer. Vaccine. Oh, I have this with my heart. Vaccine. everything's a vaccine why because it's convenient and it plays into the divisiveness of blaming and what's worse and who's doing what

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And ask your family eye care professional for SLOR Stellas lenses at your child's next visit. A reckoning of the record is a huge opportunity for the left, huge for Democrats, real ones, not crazies on the left, because they're anti-vaxxers also, right? The far left, they're anti-everything, right? So that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about the reasonable, not the right and the left fringe, the reasonable, for the reasonable people who used to be Democrats, this is a huge opportunity. Why?

because a reckoning of the record is going to put Trump sideways with his own people. That's why. Because they don't want the truth to be true. That's why. And when you look at the data, you're going to see that what did it do? Well, it stopped the deaths. It stopped the serious hospitalization within the vulnerable populations. Now, here's the part that I'm here for.

That's why you're here. That's why I can't believe the president put that out. I'm glad he did. I think it's a great idea, great idea, maybe his greatest, other than fighting crime in obvious ways, which presidents have never really dealt with, because it's usually a state and local issue, but it's a great resonating majority issue and it makes it seem like the Democrats want to defend the status quo and just say that he's a despot and he wants to militarize everything. And I get their arguments, but I don't think there is compelling as bringing down crime will be

to the majority, but let's put it to the side. This is the McGillah, because you will put put a spear through the heart of the maga misinformation machine, MMM, the M cubed. Why? Because this is the granddaddy of all bullshit. Now, that's why politically there's a great opportunity for the Democrats. So how do they take this opportunity? They start talking about the data, and they start contrasting it with what people on the frau are right, and they're going to have a little problem with their own fringe, but not like

what we see on the right, especially in Magaland, of how they have bullshaded you about this. To Trump's dismay, that's the irony. That's the opportunity. Now, isn't that interesting? How perverse that Democrats may actually benefit by doing something that would be helpful to President Trump? That's how crazy binary systems can become. That's how crazy reductive politics can become. that's how crazy perversity can be become because when nothing matters then anything is basically

possible in terms of opportunity because there is no standard there is no principle so now you have that what the president is asking for which his base is kind of against because they've been weaponizing it and lying about it and he wants because he thinks that the truth will actually validate what he did which would invalidate what they're about even though they're about him would now motivate the Democrats who are against him, but in favor of whatever the data actually suggests because they want to be data driven, so they will actually be fighting to have more recognition

of what the MAGA people were lying about, but the truth of what they were lying about will actually be more beneficial to the president. That would usually be something they don't want, except while it is better for the president for the truth to be known about the vaccine, it'll actually wind up helping their base more than his because his doesn't want to believe it

and theirs does even though their base doesn't like him. That's the political breakdown. Now, does that matter? No, actually none of it matters. Here's what matters. Because I don't believe in the noise and the advantage and the needle moving. What I care about is the realities of what we know

and how it affects us. so what matters is that science is under attack the way it has always been you don't think that people held on to the flat earth thing after it stopped making sense you don't think these Christians who fight that the world is like a couple of thousand years old don't know that everything that is suggestive of anything certain makes them look stupid of course they know they hold on why because they're more afraid of being wrong than of the reality and value of what is right. That's why. And we see that in politics all the time. So, one, I think it's a great fight to have because it's all about data-driven

and how we know the data and what it shows. But there's something else that goes beyond the political advantage that's really important to me. We have to have a real reckoning about what happened during the pandemic. Why? Because we have learned nothing.

And it'll happen again and we'll wind up repeating mistakes. What mistakes? Okay. The cell, the messaging during the pandemic under the Trump and Biden administrations was woefully deficient, misleading, and toxic. And I use that word as a double entendre. Why? What does a vaccine do? Well, what you and I think, what the lay people think is if I take a vaccine, I don't get what it vaccinates me against. So the generation of people who get the big thing on their arm or on their hip from the polio vaccine, why did you get it? So you don't get polio. Okay. Is that how a vaccine works sometimes? What do you mean? Well, a vaccine can also

do what? Make it so that you don't get as sick from this. that thing. It speeds up your body's ability to make antibodies against the pathogen. Okay? So what does that mean? Well, to stick with the polio things, it would mean that you don't get polio, but you don't get as sick from polio as other people who are unvaccinated get sick, so you can beat it sooner, have antibodies sooner, and therefore be less contagious. Why? Because you'll have a lower viral load, so you are less likely to pass it on. Okay, that makes sense. We weren't told that early on. And that is true, and that was wrong, and why?

We should look at it. Now, I don't believe it was because Tony Fauci was cashing in. I will take the other side of that proposition all fucking day. Okay? And the only proof you have is lies about where he made money and how much money he made in royalties from things. He never made a dime in royalties from anything to do with COVID. And the royalties he did get were the minimis because he gave most of his shit away to

science. Tony Fauci is a good man and a great scientist. And I've known him a long time and I believe that and I'm open to anything else you want. But I do not believe what has been said about him and what was what he was criticized for in many ways, except for this one, which I don't blame him for, but he was involved in. They made Tony the spokesman for the country. I was against him. I was against it at the time. I warned him against it at the time, not because I don't believe in Tony, but I didn't believe in the mission. You don't want a white coat as a political messenger. Why? He doesn't know how to do it. His rules are the opposite of politics. So, the politicians convinced Tony that it didn't matter to explain what this thing is and how it works. Just tell

people, if you take it, you're not going to get COVID. That's what Trump wanted. Okay? Okay. That's what his people wanted. That's what they got. And it wasn't fully accurate. Because once you got this, even when it was most effective, which was the first couple of variants, the initial, the coronavirus, COVID-19, and the first variant. But then after that, its strength went down. That was also a messaging mistake. However, stick with the first mistake first. They said, you take this. You're not going to get COVID. that's what was all over the media that was what understood it is not what i said okay go back and look and by the way i'm not a scientist so i was working off of what everybody else was saying and i got to tell you something it pisses me off a little bit that i don't get the defense that i was saying and analyzing in real time what was coming from the government and suggested as science and that pisses you people off and you want to say oh well you should have scrutinized it more in the time and You should have done this.

You should have pushed back. Okay. And then all the people that you lionized, they don't do that at all with this administration. They accept everything the president says as gospel. And if they don't accept that, they laugh at off as hyperbole. I mean, you're okay with all that. But me, I'm held to the gold standard of you should have been questioning it in real time, even though you had no basis to fucking know better.

And those people who say they did know better are full of shit. Go back. What they were bitching about is the third thing that matters, okay? not whether or not this thing did what it was supposed to do not whether or not as the variants came out and it stopped working as well they should have told us that which they didn't do well enough and that was a mistake and that's what i want to have the conversation about because trump people did it Biden people did it more why because they were further along in the timeline i don't know that one had more animus or you know or had different motivations than the other but you know, time is time. And you were, not to use a tautology, but the idea that as the variants came, that wasn't on Trump's watch,

it was easier for him to be against things that happened, not on his watch. But he believes Operation Warp Speed was a huge success. You're not going to hear that from the Rogan and the Pod Bros, right? All the B-Comics that he surrounds himself with. You're not going to hear that from them. And look, I don't, you know, by the way, I don't have any problem with Rogan.

I respect his success. And I respect his evolution. People change. Things change. Dynamics change. Information changes. Facts change. Additional facts come in and make you feel differently. I have no problem with that. I've no problem with that. It doesn't make me a MAGA guy. I'm not a fucking MAGA guy. I would never go for any populist extreme anything. I'm about reasonable. I'm about incrementalism. The only thing I believe in that's radical is kindness. That's the only thing. I think you should be as ridiculously kind and optimally. mystic and love mercy, as Pope Francis said, is what his faith was about. May he rest in peace. I think you can't go far enough with that. But with all these other things, I'm about incrementalism, especially when it comes to government. Why? Less is more, man. Let's keep it light. Let's keep it tight. Let's keep it small. And you have a better chance of it being effective that way. The more ambitious it gets, the bigger the sell is, the less it's going to happen. That's my opinion.

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But if we do what the president just asked, this is going to help Democrats and it's going to expose the mouthpieces for the anti-vax movement. I think that's an unqualified good. And I applaud the president for calling for it, even though I think that while, he thinks this is going to be good for him. I think it's actually going to be better for his opposition because it's going to distance him from his base. Second, we can now talk about what wasn't done the right way. And if you want to blame for it, that's fine. I just want to change so that it doesn't happen again, so that it's better the next time. The messaging about what this thing was, the messaging about what was happening with its diminished effectiveness and why and what that meant. Then the big

McGillah, the third one, the one that nobody wants to talk about. Not the Trump administration, that the Biden administration, not the media, and really not even me. But I've changed on this a little bit too. Not that much. I've always been open to it, but I'll talk about it more now, which is what? What policies worked and what didn't, and what should we not have done the way we did and what should we have done instead? With what? Shutting the shutdowns. Masks, that's easy. They thought it was spreading one way. They then learned it was spreading another way. So when he thought you got it through touch, you don't want a mask. Why? Because you're going to be touching the mask. You're going to wind up spreading it more than anything else. If it's about

fomites and touching, then that's why we're all washing our fruit and Sanjay Gupta is showing you how to wash your melon. Then when they learn it's aerosolized, now you need a mask. Oh, but you said no mask. That's why a scientist, a white coat, can't be your political messenger. Why? Because in our politics, you perceive change as weakness. But that is anathema to science and the scientific method. Right? It's all about empiricism. Here's what we think. And that if we do these tests, we'll prove that this and this. And we do the tests, turns out it didn't prove that, prove something completely different that we thought would never happen. They love that. You hate it in politics. Weakness. Weakness.

You can never change a position. And you know what's so fucked up about that is that no thinking system ever has embraced that except our politics. No philosophy says, if you believe it, stick to it no matter what changes. Only our politics. It's so fucking stupid. Why? Binary battle to the bottom where you're better off just sticking with your team.

So stupid. So stupid. So I don't care about that kind of stuff. I care about the messaging of what it was and how that was done and from the origination to how it went, you know, sequentially in terms of the messaging not changing, even though the outcomes were. And then the big McGillow, the shutdowns, the schools, right, and the limitations on people's freedoms. You know, I realized how powerful this was going to be when I got busted in the building that I'm in right now by one of my neighbors who I actually know, who did it, by the way. it doesn't matter but when i got busted for not wearing a mask in my apartment lobby you can go and find it new york fucking post i knew that this was going to be a thing that we're going to be dealing with

for a long time and i hope that now it comes true and this is when we deal with it why i was coming back from a run outside and i was sweaty as shit and my mask in my pocket it turned into like a pulp. So I was literally walking in my lobby, passed a masked guy. This was deep into COVID and into an elevator that was literally 20 feet in. Now, am I making an excuse and if you're explaining, are you losing? Yeah, but facts are facts. The lady sees me without the mask, busts me. Now, let's forget about the fact that everybody who came after me for, where it was anti-mask, which is, I was never anti-mask. I believe that the masks were overdone.

And I believe that the separation policies were overdone. Now, you guys will say, fuck you. At the time, you were saying, this is what you get. And if you don't comply, you're going to lose. Well, how's that inconsistent? If the government is putting out a rule and you think you're going to ignore the rule but get the same access that the rule conditions, you're stupid. You're being stupid.

If you think that they say you can't do this, but you're going to do it anyway and it's going to work out in your favor, you're an idiot because it's not what's going to happen. Now, if you want to talk about whether or not they should be telling you to do that, now is the time to discuss it because we're not coming from a place of emergency, right? you know what do we call it in the first responders i l imminent i imminent threat to life and health whatever that is um that's what we call it if you're not in that condition where there is an imminent threat of to your of death or to your life or whatever it is then you have a different analysis but when it's like an emergency you deal with it as an emergency we We were in an emergency. We're not in an emergency now.

And we should still be talking about it, not just because there's still COVID. And like right now, a lot of people are getting sick. And a lot of them, they're unboasted so that even though they have moved it to work with the new variants, they don't have it. And they don't have the natural protection and people are getting sick. But not like what it was. Why? Because people were vaccinated. But it's a good time to talk about it.

What was right and wrong with the schools? When did we know that? How should we have known it? Businesses. And look, a lot of people got really screwed up by the pandemic. But a lot of people also wound up really taking advantage of the situation with the loans and the forgiveness of paying taxes and all this other stuff that was given out by the government and all the money they juiced the economy with. This is a huge opportunity. For Democrats, it's a huge opportunity because it's going to put the president sideways with his base and it's going to expose the bullshitters within the base.

it's a gift and the president is the one motivating it huge opportunity in this huge huge huge if democrats see it and do something with it and can get away from the idea to just destroy trump if that's all you can see that trump must die i can't help you i'm telling you it's not enough just think about it in the simplest terms. Man, this other guy, this guy that I'm about to go at it with, he's a punk and a bum, and he kicked a puppy, and he punched his mom, and he's just a piece of shit. Okay, how are you going to beat him? Well, he's just such a piece of shit that I'm just going to tell you he's such a beat. But then once the fight starts, what's your strategy? What are your tactics? How are you going to beat him? Well, I'm hoping that you just see that he's such a

piece of shit that no matter what I do, I win the fight. It's not going to work, right? Hope is not a plan, right? Hope is not a strategy. So it can motivate the implementation of your strategy, but that's different. So what you're faced with right here is a tremendous opportunity to show that the data proves that these people were full of shit with what they were selling about the vaccine or the therapeutic or whatever you want to call it. And we can show it in the numbers that it made a positive difference. And that's good for Trump with Operation Warp speed. Why would I want to do that?

Because you'll be blowing up all these people who are eating you for lunch on social media and have these huge hubs of access and power because they all did it. Okay? The pod bros, the pod sisters, whatever you call them, female. ones. Whatever you, whoever you look at, they did this. Now, they're doing other things now, but they've never moved back on that, including Rogan. So that is amazing for the Democrats and for critical thinkers. Then you have this other piece that's going to have a lot of shit for Biden, some shit for Trump, not as much, but a lot of benefit to us. And I think that if you want

people to invest in you and care about you and your party or your side or whatever you call it, you should be about what matters to them and how to make it better you should understand what they're upset about what they're worried about you should be able to have empathy for that respect it and remedy it and we need to do that in our understanding of what was done and what wasn't done during the pandemic and the president just teed it up why My guess is that somebody somewhere said to him, yeah, you know, so-and-so is sick. It was probably the vaccine. And that pisses him off because my guess is, you know, sometimes I'm being cute when I say things. My guess, I heard. Why? Because I'm not going to betray sourcing for you guys.

And you can question anonymous sources. And you can question me not saying who tells me, whatever it is. But that's my business. and that's how I trade in information and that's how I know things that other people don't know and how I do it I don't really give a shit

if you respect it or not but just you know you can point to where I've been wrong about things usually I'm the one telling you right like even something silly like when I just looked at the thumbnail of AOC saying

that Sidney Sweeney is a racist that sounds like something she would totally say I never watched the video the video is obviously fake it's not a deep fake it's an obvious fake but i didn't even look at it but i'll own it why i have no problem being wrong about anything she never answered my question about why she doesn't call on hamas to surrender but you guys don't give a shit about that because you want to play gotcha because that's what you've been conditioned to do fine fine fine fine what i'm saying is that it's not about right and

wrong it's about the basis for the same okay there is an opportunity in this to take a look at what we know and what we don't know. And the president has teed it up. And when I say, I think it's because somebody pissed him off, trust that, that somebody pissed him off by blaming something on his beautiful vaccine and he doesn't like it. So he put out there, you know, the people who measure what happened with these vaccines, they tell me it was like the best thing ever. It was the best thing ever.

And I don't understand why they don't show you that data. He's making two assumptions. One, that the data isn't out there, which largely, he is. But we don't focus on it on his side of the ball for sure. Why? Because it doesn't suit their purpose, which is to destroy government. Now, the second reason that his suggestion is interesting, let's say, is that the idea that big pharma is the solution is a tough sell because people don't want to trust them and don't like them. And a lot of his people have engendered that animus. So he wants Operation Warp Speed to have been a great thing. Why? Because it's great for him.

And it will have helped a lot of people, which is good for his legacy. And I believe it did, by the way, looking at the data and seeing it anecdotally in the outcomes in and around my own life. And I'm sure you've had the same experience. And it is interesting to me how many people made sure that the vulnerable people in their lives got vaccinated and even if they didn't want to get vaccinated themselves for good, bad or no reason. And by the way, I'm okay with that. And I do think that the mandates and the shutdowns and the school stuff should be looked at and should be reviewed with a critical eye because I think it was greatly overdone. Why? I'm not exactly sure. We should look at it. I'm not going to ascribe to a theory just to sell you something or to make you think I'm a fair broker

or an insider on something that's complete bullshit. I'm not going to do that. And you can say, well, no, there isn't. We're so done with COVID. No, we're not. It is still a fundamental motivation for many people on the right. A fundamental motivation.

Why do you think Patrick Bed David, who I believe is a good man, okay? I know all these people saying he got his ass kicked on the Jubilee round. I don't believe that. The clips that I've watched, which are more than most of you guys, I think he was making the points he always makes, and he makes them cogently, and there was disagreement, but I thought he handled himself very well.

But that doesn't matter. The reason that Patrick B. David wanted me to apologize for supporting the vaccine is because he is invested in an idea that I believe is fed by misinformation. A little bit of it is, or whatever, a measure of it is motivated by the unknown also, and he's decided certain things about the known that I don't agree with but that's okay because I don't think it makes him a bad person I don't think he's a bad person I don't think he's a bad person at all I think he's a good person I think he cares about his family cares about his friends he takes care of people and he's been good to me and no no he hasn't I heard them beating you up on the show I don't give a shit what they say on their podcast about me if I'm not there why they do what they do they do they feel

how they feel I'm telling you he's been a good friend to me doesn't matter what you think that's the truth so why did he want me to apologize for the vaccine. Because he believes that there's so many people who would feel better about me if I were to tell them, I'm sorry that I said that you should take the vaccine. Like, I'm a fucking scientist. I'm telling you why they were telling us to take the vaccine and that I accepted their basis in my own life and in my professional life. I'm not going to apologize for anything. I never intentionally deceived. I mean, there was the same feeling about when I got fired. Oh, just apologize for helping your brother. Fuck you. I'm not apologizing for help

my brother. All right, well, then apologize for lying about you saying you wouldn't help your brother. I never said I wouldn't help my brother. I never lied about that. Okay, then just apologize because people want an apology because they're not, a lot of them don't like what your brother did. He didn't do anything. It's what they perceive was, all right, I find, fine, fine. But if you just say that, you know, you're sorry about what you did to help your brother, then, you know, that CNN. No, I'm not going to say that because that's bullshit. The people that I worked for knew exactly my level of involvement with what I was doing, and I never did anything that I needed to apologize for. I never went after any of his accusers, which his people thought was stupid

because you do criticize and analyze the accusers in politics and in law. It's called a confrontational purpose, the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Amendments for a reason, right? I didn't do any of that. So, I'm not going to apologize when I didn't do anything that was about lying. And I didn't lie about the vaccine. I didn't lie about being in the basement. I was so fucking sick and I wanted of getting my family sick. I didn't break quarantine. I wasn't some bullshit hypocrite on vaccines. That's why I want the data to come out so that we can see who was full of shit and not. And I think it is a grand irony that it is President Donald John Trump that has created this opportunity for you if you see it and take it. And I hope you do. Because this is the doorway to attacking

mis and disinformation on the mother load of bullshit. The anti-vaxxer movement around the COVID vaccine. Look, they're playing. You want to talk about different vaccines. M RNA vaccine should not be a boogeyman. First of all, MRNA is in you and me right now. We don't exist without it and the idea of it is a technology while it's not new it is newish when it comes to vaccines but the work that they're doing and the applications of it are so powerful or so beneficial that the idea of pulling funding for that is silly and it's caving to really really low-level politics which i think will be upset by this doorway he just created i think i'm happy the president is doing this and i get why he thinks he's doing it but i actually think

think that this could be a mistake for him, but a really big and great thing for all of us. Democrats politically, yes, but us as a society. Why? Because you start walking down this door and looking at the data and look what they give and see what the reasonable things are to push back on and how to move it, not to just take a little thing and twist it so that because part of it winds up being needed to be reassessed or seen a different way, it means that all of it is gone. That's bullshit. That all or none thinking, zero sum. If this is right, this must be wrong. That's bullshit. It only works to get clicks on social media. It does not work for society. It doesn't make anything better. Compromise, incremental understanding. Those are the virtues of

sophisticated thought, okay? And of empiricism in general. Okay? There are no these wild swings. This is all right. This is all wrong. That's bullshit. So that doorway leads us to understanding the truth about what the vaccines did and didn't do and what they are and what they weren't, what the outcomes were, and what mattered and why. And that takes us into the other policy considerations and what worked and what didn't and why. And that takes us into what is being sold as true and not and on what basis. And those will not only help us as a society understand what happened and didn't happen

and should have happened. But it will expose who is full of shit, who is in bad faith, because you can be wrong, right? But there will be a virtue to it. You're motivated by the right things, but you're just wrong. That's okay. But there are a lot of bad faith actors in this, and they'll be exposed. What was good and bad and right and wrong will have better views on. And politically, you will have a schism on this because these people are not going to want to let it go because they will be exposed and not going to want that.

Right? Because their whole currency is saying that everybody else is bullshit when it turns out that the whole fundamental basis of their success in the space was a function of a rejection of a reality that they manipulated for their own effect. and that's why I'm hot about it because they know they're full of shit and they do it anyway and the president has provided this opportunity and no one on the left has jumped on it yet why because they think he was just bragging about Operation Warp speeds they don't want to feed his brag but I'll tell you what if Gavin Newsom wants to imitate him and mimic and do all that stuff that you guys are lapping up he should do this one yeah yeah let's do it let's let's let's get the data he should play with trump about this and make it happen this is such an opportunity for democrats because of this disconnect between trump and what his

base wants versus what he wants for himself but it's such an opportunity for us and i hope we take it if we walk through the door of the data on covid everything could change I'm Chris Cuomo. Thank you very much for subscribing and following. Hearing me out, what do you think? Let me know here and of course on News Nation, AP and 11P Eastern every weekday night. And I got this on, not just to show you my big saggy titties, but because I wear my independence. I am a free agent. What does that mean? I am a critical thinker. I do not go party first. I do not go anything first, but me and my own interests for the those I care about and the basis of what ideas I now hold. So I'm a free agent. I'm not owned.

I'm not about fealty. I'm about loyalty to the people who are loyal to me. And I am about thinking through, not right and left, but being reasonable. And so are you. So let's get after it.