The Chris Cuomo Project - Trump Is Reagan’s Bizarro Twin

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Chris Cuomo lays out the analogy he says explains this entire political moment: Ronald Reagan was Superman, and Donald Trump is Bizarro — the dark, distorted mirror image selling the same thing with none of the charm. Trump isn't original, Cuomo argues. He's running Reagan's playbook with all of the darkness and none of the optimism. Cuomo breaks down the structural parallels: the same supply-side economics, the same trickle-down promises that have never worked, and the same explosion of national debt — Reagan blew it up first, and under Trump the debt has now passed GDP for the first time in history. Where Reagan sold a shining city on a hill and played to the better angels, Trump sells anger, destruction, and outrage. Same pitch, opposite delivery — and Cuomo argues it's failing the same way it did in the Reagan midterms of 1982 and 1986. Drawing on his own family history — his father, Mario Cuomo, was the Democratic Party's most powerful answer to Reagan — Chris makes the case that the left won't beat Trump by matching MAGA's anger. The only thing that worked then and works now is being about better: better policies, real ideas on the chip economy, worker training, and small business, not just pointing out that the other side is corrupt. Join The Chris Cuomo Project on YouTube for ad-free episodes, early releases, exclusive access to Chris, and more: https://www.youtube.com/@chriscuomo/join Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject NOBL gives you real travel peace of mind — security, design, and convenience all in one. Head to https://NOBLTravel.com for 46% off your entire order! #NOBL #ad Get 15% off OneSkin with the code CUOMO at https://www.oneskin.co/cuomo #oneskinpod #news #trump #politics #reagan #gop #republican #democrat #cuomo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

No podcast can lay out for you what Chris Cuomo as me as this podcast can today. The price of even a small home could be 200,000. And what about their parents trying to make ends meet right now? To stop inflation, we've got to put a ceiling on federal spending. We've got to crack down on waste, and we must lower our tax rates to encourage individual productivity. In California, where I was governor for eight years, we went from near bankruptcy to financial help. We gave the taxpayers billions of dollars in tax relief, and we met the needs of our people. If we're going to stop inflation, we must do it now.

Not with bigger government. It takes better government. That's what we owe ourselves and our children. That's why I'm running for president. Only one man has the proven experience we need. Ronald Reagan for president. Let's make America great again. We have been here before, my brothers and sisters.

Wow, does that sound eerily familiar? because it is. A lot of our problems in politics aren't new, but that doesn't mean that they don't have new twists and new challenges. Now, listen to this. For those who've abandoned hope, we'll restore hope

and we'll welcome them into a great national crusade to make America great again. Oh, eerily familiar. You didn't know that Reagan had said it. You thought this was original from Trump. I'll tell you how wrong you are, but just a reminder.

And we will make us. America great again. Here's what you need to understand. Trump is not original. I told you this all along with MAGA. MAGA is not original, okay? But that doesn't mean it didn't have purchase with people. For the same reasons, it always has.

Look, the top gets too much, okay? It's the choices we make in our system. But this isn't a lecture, okay? This is an alarm. This is a clarion call that the same way that Reagan got to, taken down by better ideas, so will Trump in these midterms if, if, if they approach it the same way. And my concern is they're not.

And I'll explain why, okay? I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo project. So here's what you need to know. And this is a really interesting analogy and it's why I have this book on, okay? You may ask yourself, you know, my God, what have I done? How did I get here? This is not my beautiful wife.

all these existential concerns that the talking heads made in such a fabulous song before Reagan, but just as apropos in that phase, David Byrne, why was this so prescient? Why has this stood the test of time? Because these questions about who we are and how we are haunt us. And it's not really new. It was true during Reagan with its shining city on the hill. Ronald Reagan, shining city on the hill. He is Superman. Donald Trump is bizarre. Donald Trump is bizarre. What does that mean? Google it. The Superman had in the comics a mirror image anti-hero named Bizarro. And there's all this lore and stuff that goes away around,

go along with it, that don't matter to us. It's that Bizarro was this perverse, dark version of Superman, just like Trump is to Reagan. Reagan was our better angels and Christianism and subtle, in my opinion, white nationalism. America's the greatest. We're the greatest. Everything's great.

Trump is the dark version of that, the mirror image of that. Everything's terrible. It used to be great, but now it's horrible. The institutions are horrible. And Reagan did the same thing. Government has let you down. Government has let you down. But we will rebuild it.

Trump is government let you down. The Trump is swamp. But he's making it all. all worse. So how are they the same? It was the same pitch, but it's being sold differently. Okay? Make America great again. I would argue Reagan's had an optimism to it that Trump's never has. Right? Never. He's always been dark. He's always been negative. He's always been about tearing it down and playing to your anger. And Reagan was about playing to your better angels and all that. But it doesn't matter. they were both the same thing. Supply side, reward the rich, give them tax cuts, and lie to you about

what's going on and lard on the debt. Okay? That is the mythology of conservatism. Oh, the Democrats are taxed and spend. Really? Who has put the most debt on America? Reagan exploded it. Why? Trickle-down economics is bullshit. Okay? It doesn't work. It's never worked. Who's second? Well, really Trump is first. Why? Because of the pandemic, but also his own spending that he didn't pay for and justifying it with this bullshit notion of trickle-down economics, which doesn't work. So two Republicans, and not a coincidence which two they are. And yes, I forgive part of the problem because Trump had the pandemic, which I believe was unavoidable, even though I believe he also exacerbated the problems early on by calling it the common cold and saying it would just disappear and not managing it well,

but you can't blame them for it entirely. But here's why I'm telling you this today. These questions, these haunting questions are here once again. They were here before. And there were answers to them. Ronald Reagan was very strongly and powerfully countered. And you know how I know this? Because I grew up in the house that did it.

Mario Cuomo was the immigrant underclass answer to Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was, we are a shining city on the hill. Mario Cuomo was, yes, but there is a part of the world that you do not see from your shining city up in your portico of the White House. This is a tale of two cities, the haves and the have-nots, and my father was very eloquent. And he broke through in 1982, two speeches that he gave a few months apart would define his political career. One was the 1984 keynote address, where he countered Reagan. Now, Reagan would wind up wiping the floor with Mondale. No question about it.

But we knew the weakness because in 82, Democrats had made gains because of the misgivings about Reagan. They won 25, 26 seats. Literally, they gained that many. I think they only gained like one in the Senate. And they did well in the state level also. They won some state houses. Very important. Because as governors go, state legislatures go.

And as state legislatures go, so go your gerrymandered district. Okay? Now, in 1986, right, second midterm, that's where we are with Trump right now, after Mario Cuomo kind of awakened and galvanized the Democrats, okay? The Democrats had an even more important breakthrough. Not so much in the House, they gained five more seats, so they gained 30 plus seats under Reagan. Think about that. In today's math, how close everything is. Why? Because we have been playing at the same kind of reductive politics for decades now. now. And that's why it's been shrinking and shrinking the margin between the two sides because they've become more and more alike. They're just, this one's worse, this one's worse,

this one's worse, this one's worse, right? And there was an inflection point of, no, no, no, I want better. And the Democrats hit that twice during Reagan. Now, it wouldn't result in them winning. He wiped the floor with Mondale, and he wiped the floor with Dukakis, okay? That being George W. Bush, right? His vice president. And he kept it. And then it switched, right, with Clinton. But let me just show you the lesson that Democrats can use to their advantage in such a big way because we've been here before.

And this time you're not up against this incredibly charming, amazing messenger that makes people want to believe and brings all of these Reagan Democrats in there. Now they're calling themselves Reagan Republicans. Why? Because they want to reject Trump's image. This ugly, obnoxious, toxic, literally just the color of him is offensive to so many people. It's like he's a corroded version of Reagan.

Reagan's beautiful hair, right, reduced to this kind of weird amalgam of patchwork. And this is just physical, surfacial bullshit, except politics is very visual and visceral, right? Reagan, Trump, Trump is an ugly version of Reagan, literally, and figuratively. And that's why you see the right rejecting him now, more and more, because they know he's done. Now, I'm not saying he's impotent. Look at what he did in the primaries.

Look, if you're doing the angry part of your party, Trump is your guy, he's the mascot for it. That's what MAGA is, but that's all it is. And that's why it's committing suicide, because it's just getting absorbed and eaten alive by its own outrage. Now, the left has something to worry about there, too, but one step at a time.

1986, so Reagan, 1980, 1982, midterms, 26 seats to the Democrats. Huge, huge by historical standards. Take a look. Mario Cuomo galvanizes the party. Now comes 1986. Huge breakthrough in the Senate. Huge.

They win. How many did they win? Eight Senate seats. Took control of the Senate and five House seats. So they had unified control of Congress. Now, would that be enough to win the White House? No. They didn't play to advantage.

They didn't have a good primary prize. They put up a weak guy who was, ironically, you know, some people blame my father for 1988 because he didn't run. And they ran really with some people, look, I like the guy and he's an honorable man and an honorable public servant. But Michael Dukakis is in some ways a lighter version of Mario Cuomo, physically smaller, an ethnic, a smart guy who made it from immigrant parents. But he did not have the eloquence or the outrage that my father had. and he got crushed. And then you had a couple of weird things. They played the black-white game on him with crime.

He did that stupid thing where he put the helmet on and looked weak and small compared to George W. Bush, H.W. Bush. But the point is this. The politics of Reagan, the politics of Trump, are bad for the many. Economically, they are bad for the many. And we're seeing that now. Once again, we're running up debt.

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Look, they can play numbers whatever they want. Here's the one I want. Everything that matters to you in terms of your monthly carry is going the wrong way. this is the first time that the debt that we owe exceeds our GDP, our gross domestic product. The first time, under Trump, why? Because he's not a real conservative. Neither was Reagan. They're just culturally conservative, and I believe Trump is bullshit about that, but he's just doing it because it works.

But trickle-down economics don't work. The Trump tax cuts aren't going to work. Not for the many. No way. And there's opportunity in that. and the left has to do the same thing now that it did back then when it was just the Democratic Party. They have to have a robust process of understanding

that they cannot be their fringe. You will not beat Trump by matching MAGA's outrage and anger. You won't, you can't be that alone. You can be outrage, you can be angry. I don't know how you can't be, especially what's going on right now. This slush fund is the most grotesque, corrupt thing I've ever seen in my life by its design

and by its exercise. you want to reward those scumbags from January 6th? I don't think they're insurrectionists because I don't believe, I know I called them that early on because that's what it looked like. But once the prosecutors started processing it and I started looking at their cases, I agreed with their analysis. It's not an insurrection because they didn't think they were going to take it over, take over the government.

That's an insurrection. Do I think they thought that they might stop a congressional process? Yeah, is that an insurrection? Not really. But it doesn't have to be to be a really ugly, violent, disgusting show that was absolutely motivated by Donald Trump. But the idea that those people should get some kind of payback for how they were treated, fuck you and fuck that.

There's plenty of room for outrage, plenty of room for anger, but that's just not all you can be. Because there's such opportunity here with this coming chip economy and how little has been done by Trump to even discuss it, let alone to act on it. Just the other day, he's starting to get wind of this. So he was like, 40% of all chips will be made to be made.

America under my watch. That's like me saying, 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Another bullshit line, because that's a bullshit line. If you have no plan on how to make that happen, you haven't brought back any manufacturing. We're still sweating manufacturing jobs, and those are the old ones that would have been

easier to bring back here. There's opportunity in that. There's opportunity. And sure, you should be outraged and disgusted by this guy. He's so corrupt. Maga doesn't know what to do. They can't reject him. But they don't want to own this either. So they're stuck. They're stuck. They're imploding on themselves and there's

amazing opportunity for the left in that, just like there was in 82 and 86. Now, there's also a cautionary tale in that. One, you've got to be about better. You've got to be about better, just like the Democrats were in 82 and 86. Of course they were saying Reagan's got problems. Mario Cuomo said that. Go back and listen to my father's keynote address and you will realize you would vote for that shit today. So would I, by the way. So would I. Now, Now, billionaire tax, additional tax, I don't think it's the right way to go. Why? Because if they just paid their fair share what's in the code now without the loopholes,

you would get a huge boost in revenue more than the 2%. So why not just be about what's in the book and get rid of the loopholes? And then you don't need to fight the political battle of more taxes, additional taxes, targeting the rich, all of these things that I think kind of break not as cleanly as just saying. saying we're going to get rid of their advantages. They don't deserve them. They don't deserve these. And on the corporate level, it's even easier to make.

I believe you should shift the benefits that go to C-Corps to small businesses. Not only do you have almost 100 times as many small businesses as big businesses, but they deserve it more. The big businesses got these breaks. Why do we have the C-Corp tax code and all that stuff and their own special taxes and their own special ways to, be regulated less and to manage their books differently because they were taking care of workers, but they're not taking care of workers anymore. They're taking care of investors and their C-suits and their stock price instead of the people who give them their productivity. Who are the workers? Now that the stock market has become a casino and they're just gambling on their expectations

of what these think these companies will do instead of their book value, their actual P&L, their actual assets versus their liabilities, why do you think? Why do you think? Why do you think? because they shifted their game. It's just a casino now, so they're rewarding the investors because they want to juice their stock price, and they're paying their C-suite execs because those are the people that matter to the investors. But why are we benefiting them as a society?

How can it be that Amazon and Walmart have a ridiculous number, hundreds of thousands of their employees, as the two biggest employers in this country? And they're on Medicaid. And so many of them need snap benefits, need food stamps. And we're giving you a break. Tax-wise, when you can't even pay your people enough to keep them off food stamps,

fuck you. There's opportunity in that. Be angry about it, but be better than it. And the key to it is this, what, you know, Rokana is calling this new patriotism, this new patriot economic, whatever, whatever, I don't know what the label's going to be, it doesn't matter. But that we're going to put the money that he wants to put into the Defense Department into augmenting the budgets to have these plants built,

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oneskin.com forward slash Cuomo, and you get 15% off. Now, please, after you purchase, they're going to ask where you heard about them. Please, show me some love. Tell him. Cuomo said me. Donald Trump is not Reagan, but he's selling the same shit. That if you take care of the top, they'll take care of everybody else.

God will be good to those who God has already been good. No, no. That's not loving mercy. That's not WWJD. That's not Jesus's Word. And by the way, it doesn't matter because we're not a Christian nation. And if you needed any more proof of that, look at Mike Johnson. We have to show sympathy for lawmakers so they can trade stocks because 174,000 is just not enough.

Wow. Talk about leading through the good book. You should fucking read it. And by the way, while you read it, read a little bit of like a census report on the United States of America. What a clueless fool clinging to some perverse notion of his own religiosity when he doesn't even come close to practicing it. What a joke. He can't even talk the talk, let alone walk the walk. There's opportunity in that. But it can't just be Trump sucks. It can't just be they suck and MAGA sucks. It's got to be about better. How do we know? Two reasons. One, the fastest growing part of the electorate is independence. Now, most of those people who are independent. Some of them are like me. They're just independent. They've always rejected the partisan designations because they've always been suspicious of the binary battle to the bottom. But most of them are disgruntled Republicans and now Democrats. so they're not real ones, not to disparage, but they're not real ones in terms of

they're going to be independent no matter what. But that's indication number one that you can't just be they suck because you have too many people who want something more than that reductive battle. Okay? Now, what is the second indication of that? Despite the relentingly negative news

in this administration, the economic data, the foreign incursions, the nonsense, the corruption in your, face corruption, the trades minutes before his announcements, his own trades, more trades and all other presidents combined in the modern era, his sons just throwing it in your face, this fund for the scumbags of January 6th. And yet, what is the polling show? Democrats plus three.

That's it? Why? Because all of that sucking isn't enough for them to switch to you. But couple that with, and we have better ideas. Because Trump can't match that. One, he can't match that, period. He's not good at that. He doesn't know how to do it.

He knows how to tell you what sucks and to play off your anger and to make you think he's a great agent for your animus because he's from the rich. He's from the powerful. He knows how to run the game. No, he doesn't. He knows how to play it to his advantage, not yours,

and you know that now. You see that now. Oh, but Harris would have been worse. Not how elections work. You don't get to justify, sucking after you've been in for over a year because the person you were running against was bad. You already beat her with a record number of votes,

and you have failed to deliver. You have failed mightily, bigly, as Trump would say, and there's opportunity in that. He's done nothing about health care. What he did with Mark Cuban and the drugs is great. It's great, but it's too little, too late for the midterms. And by the way, he's still not doing what Mark Cuban does on his own platform.

Too many of the drug price reductions still go away after a couple of months, what's that about? And why don't they tell you that? This is government? This isn't some bullshit infomercial pitch. So, is it good that he did it? Yeah. Is it good enough?

No, I don't think so. I think you can do way better. You've got to go after the big shots and the profit motives and all the vertical integration that's been done within health care and break it down. You guys are upset about media mergers. Fuck that. Media is about the algorithm. Until you regulate the algorithm on social media, it doesn't matter who owns what in media.

The algorithm is every single. We've never had anything as diabolical as the design mechanism of social media, especially in our politics. Look, I know for hobbyists, it's great. I know for firefighting. I put in a couple of the things. I get great, great accounts all the time, great different pieces of video and information and tutorials. It's awesome. Awesome.

The algorithm is excellent for me on social media when it comes to my firefighting. In politics, it's a repository of toxicity. not just mine, anybody's. Why? Because that's what works within politics. But politics isn't like a hobby. And it can't just be about what gets you the most clicks. There has to be a responsibility.

And by the way, this isn't a new idea, right? That's why you have the FCC. That's why radio cable. Right? That's why there's a responsibility. Right? That's why there's an ethos, a different vibe than there is to selling porn when you're dealing with media.

when you're dealing with political media, news media, right? There always has been. Not on social media. Why? Why are they allowed to feed you our worst selves when no other media can? Now, you may say, well, other media sucks too. Not by design. Not by design.

Only social media. So that's why in the age of Trump, Trump has used what's there. Okay? Reagan went with positivity. Why? Because that was still what sold best in politics. Now, negativity sells. extremism cells, and the left is battling with that also.

But there's opportunity for better here. See, the dog's fighting? Now, they're fighting, but not as a battle to the bottom of which one is worse. They're just playing because it's fun for them. But this should not be our politics, right? And it really is. And by I tell you what, in this fight, you actually want to be that little dog. It's not the size of the dog in the fight.

It's the side of the fight and the dog in that little one. will fight to the death. In fact, if they keep doing this right here, you will see that at some point the yellow one will do something a little heavy-handed, and the yellow one, and the brown one will come after him with everything she has, and the yellow guy will back down. How do I know? Because I've seen it a million times, just like what we're seeing in our politics right now. My father was the antidote to Reagan. And you can be upset that he didn't run for presidents. So was I. But I understood his reasons. And I understood that what made my father not for president. It was what made him such a beautiful man. His sense of modesty, his sense of who he was

and how he valued the presidency and who he thought should be a president. And Reagan is a lesson as Superman, right? That's what he was to so many people. Wow. The way he looks, the way he sounds, his celebrity, right? Another star, just like Trump. But Trump is the bizarro version of Superman. And when you look that up, you'll be like, holy shit, it really is. Look, it's just a metaphor, but It's so instructive. And what Reagan was selling then, Trump is selling now. And it's failing the same way. But he can't fall back, Mr. Trump, on what Reagan did, which was his charm.

He doesn't have that. Okay? And look, Reagan had other problems, right? In his second term, his true incompetence, which was hidden from us, started taking over. And really was Alexander Hague running our government for most of the time in that second term. Ironically, the same thing they accused of Biden, right? where do you think they learned that playbook from? The Lords of Folderol, who were there under Reagan and then Bush,

the bullshit artists, also known as, and Trump has his own. But there's opportunity in this, just like the Democrats had under Reagan, they have again now. And they're going to have it even more squarely because Trump can't run again. And his ugly version of Make America Great Again is not going to be what the Republican Party comes to. Now, my suggestion is they're going to run back to Christian conservatism. They couldn't do it under Trump. They tried that bullshit.

He's got a new relationship with God. He's the most godless president we've had. Okay? And I'm not judging the man. That's not my place. I'm so fucked up and flawed. I could never be a leader. But I am in a position to analyze them.

And that party is going to run back to what it thinks its roots are. Oh, I'm a Christian first. Before I'm anything else. Oh, bullshit. Then you would have never been with Trump. Oh, but we're all sinners. I admit my mistakes because the Lord is my Christianity. my Savior, my Lord and Savior, Jesus, my Lord.

Bullshit. You are what you live. And right now you're living advantage, just like anybody else. You're no better than anybody else. I don't care what icons you put next to your name. Okay? I don't care what you say about yourself. You can wear your little crucifix and be a piece of shit.

And we see that again and again. But that's where they're going to go. You know what their play is going to be. What will be the play on the left? I believe it's got to be about better. I believe it's got to be about actually showing that you love mercy and that you are, as my father said, tough enough to fight, but sweet enough to love.

That's the opportunity. That's the sweet spot. We've been here before. We've asked these existential questions about how we deal with the shit show that is our state of playing politics before, and the answer is going to be the same. That they suck is not enough. That they suck and we can do better, we'll be.

And the opportunity is there. It explains why we see that the needle's not moving that much. Why? It's not because the Democrats suck, too. It's that they have to be in the business of offering better, not just pointing out what everybody already understands, which is that Trump is not getting it done, and that he is corrupt in the main.

Look, all the hypocrisy, all the stuff you need to beat down the other side is there. The missing piece is what will make it better. And I think playing with the term socialism is unnecessary. Just play with the policies. Talk about the policies. Talk about the ideas. Talk about the chip economy.

Talk about the worker training programs. about the trade schools and let me tell you something. The Trump, Department of Education, just did a great thing with putting in money where Pell Grant money where people who aren't going to college but are going to other kinds of training can use it for that. That's a great idea. Democrats should blow it open. Do it large scale because that is our future. We need that more than we need more marketing majors. There's opportunity in this. If you learn the lessons of the past as George Santayana, the great political philosopher taught us. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

But there's a flip to that. If you remember the lesson of history of how you dealt with something like this in the past, you'll see that it could work again today. And there are new challenges, but there are new opportunities as well. Trump is not Reagan. He's using the same playbook, but he ain't the same player. He can say make America great again, but there's nothing about greatness when it comes to him.

He's about destruction. He's about anger and outrage. He is not about better and is shining anything anywhere. For him, it's golden idols of himself and buildings with his name on it. It's a cheap and ugly version of what Reagan was selling. But the antidote will be the same. People coming together around mutual respect and taking care of one another what my father called the family of New York.

And pushing for better for the many. The needs of the many, not just the wants of the few. I'm telling you, if you see it, once you see it, the way I see it, it's everywhere, and it's so obvious. These midterms could be a route, the likes of which we've never seen before, but only if the Democrats realize the true opportunity and the true challenge. I'm Chris Cuomo. Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. Hopefully we all learn the lesson because what we should all want is to get to a better place. Many of us don't. Many of us just want to keep power, retain power. That's it.

But I think those days are short. And I think that the new awakening that's going on among the many is these parties suck and that we need to be about better, not just which side is worse. Thank you for subscribing. Thank you for picking the subscription model that works for you. We'll be having open weekly, what do you call them? Like gatherings, digital gatherings, digital town hall,

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