The Chris Cuomo Project - What Trump Is Really Doing With Greenland
Episode Date: January 22, 2026Chris Cuomo breaks down what’s actually behind Trump’s sudden push around Greenland — and why it fits a familiar pattern in how power and pressure are used. Cuomo explains how disruption is ofte...n deployed as leverage, not something meant to fully play out, and why markets, institutions, and allies are rarely allowed to absorb the consequences people are told to expect. The rapid shift from tariff threats to talks with NATO reinforces the idea that escalation is part of the maneuver, not the destination. Placing the Greenland move in historical context, Cuomo points to moments like the Great Depression and the Great Recession to show why “let whatever happens happen” has never been true. Whether it’s markets, trade, or geopolitics, he argues that chaos is frequently the tool, not the endgame — and that recognizing this pattern matters far more than reacting to the headline of the week. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Support our sponsors: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos—get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/CUOMO. Application times and rates may vary. Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get exclusive savings on the iRestore Elite, use code CUOMO at https://irestore.com/cuomo! #irestorepod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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I never thought I would say this, but Greenland is everything, and I can explain.
Chris Cuomo here, welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project.
So how can Greenland be everything when I've continuously, constantly told you that Greenland is nothing?
It is the distraction of all distractions.
Well, I'll tell you, here's what's changed the calculus.
You have the leader of Canada, a country known for not being known, right, for really not distinguishing itself in any way, certainly not offensively, okay?
Right now, at a World Forum, the head of Canada is biting into the ass of the United States like it was a chew toy, okay?
Why? Just a quick review on my phone when I was alerted to this fact.
shows that they have become an echo of geopolitical outrage that has been, for all of the antics,
the border, Russia, China, shithole countries, everything that has happened through the filter
of Trumpism, Greenland, it turns out, was the straw that broke the world's back.
And then on the heels of our understanding about our compadre, Canada, going bad on us,
which only the most malignant of minds could come to that conclusion.
They're going bad on us.
The people least likely to be offended by anything have become outraged by us, but it's their fault.
The head of France sends a text to the American president that he decides to share
where he says, I don't get what you're doing with the Greenland thing.
Greenland is everything.
It is a metaphor for everything that a shrinking slice of America loves about President Trump
and everything that a growing slice of America and the rest of the planet hates about Donald Trump.
John Trump, president of these United States.
Now, let's look at it, micro macro.
Micro means small.
Macro means broad, right?
So the micro on Greenland is what?
Who cares?
Who cares?
Did you know that Greenland is the biggest island on the planet?
Me either.
I thought it was Australia.
Turns out Australia is something called a continent,
which is different than an island.
and apparently you can't be both.
Okay. Greenland is the largest island.
I'm not going to bore you with, you know, a data play here.
But it is not who is there.
It really isn't even the rare earth minerals.
You know, people are talking about that.
First of all, there are a lot of areas of the Arctic that are believed to have significant deposits of rare earth metals.
What are rare earth metals or minerals?
or particles.
It depends on whose lens you're looking at the concept through.
They're basically the things that go in our cell phones and our chips.
Okay?
The precious different ingredients of technology.
But they're found in Africa.
There may be different deposits, other places.
So Greenland isn't necessarily just about that.
It's just really just one more factor.
What is Greenland objectively?
Objectively is it is an apparent stopgap for foreign incursion.
Now, many of you have raised the issue, which I really does make me laugh, but it makes me laugh the laugh of the damned.
Not the laugh you think I'm having, which is, oh, yes, yes, so rich.
No, it's, I think I'm going to cry if I don't keep laughing right now.
Why?
One guy put it perfectly.
And I'm sorry, I don't remember your name.
I'm like, well, you know, Greenland.
Greenland is, you know, right there.
You know, Russia.
People kill with a concurusion through the Arctic.
You know, that's the waterway right there.
It's where you had the sub-base.
Need more.
And the guy says, what if you go the other way?
Yes.
Yes.
If you just decide to attack from the other direction, Greenland does lose a lot of its strategic perceived necessity.
Yes, yes, yes.
And then some like globologist or whatever you call somebody who studies the globe is like, well, you know, really it's more of the top cap structure.
So either way you go, you have a...
The point is that when you look at it in terms of the European theater,
Yes, Greenland is like the last stop, let's say, before you get to North America,
which is why it's considered part, certainly, of the Western world,
certainly an extension of the Northern Hemisphere.
And I get it.
But just because there is a contiguity of landmass doesn't mean that you have any right to it.
So Greenland has a strategic objective, but here's what Greenland means.
Okay. It is a trophy. It is a metaphor for might makes right. It is a flex. Okay. Now, let's take Greenland as a metaphor more seriously here. And we will look at it and see why it is everything some love and many are learning to hate about this president.
Now, hate is a word that I am generally resistant to. Why? It is really dark. Hate is not to be used lightly. If you look up the etymological history of the word and its concept and usage, I mean, it really is. When people say evil, demonic, hellish, really, that's where hate comes from. Hate, Hades. And
It is wishing ill.
I want bad things to happen.
So you don't hate pistachio ice cream.
Okay?
First of all, you shouldn't have anything but positive feelings towards
pistachio ice cream unless it's green.
Because now you're dealing with food coloring and stuff.
You're getting into the world of the Fagasy.
But you use hate very lightly, sparely, sparsely.
And I'm using it here.
because there is a growing animus towards this man, which I'm worried about, period, because I don't think it's good to have that degree of enmity or animus directed towards anyone, but it's going to spread to the rest of us.
Okay.
Greenland, let's do it the convenient way.
Here's all the reasons that it is Trump in full.
Might makes right.
We get to have it because we get to have whatever we want.
want. And that is the lens of how President Trump sees the world. Nobody comes before us because we are
better than anybody. We've done the most. We mean the most. We have the most. We spend the most.
We give the most. And now we will take the most. That's Greenland. Greenland in that way could be
anywhere. It could have been Canada. Is it easier that Greenland is kind of an annex on to Denmark?
Sure. Sure, it's convenient. But he could have gone ham like this on Antarctica, right? Why not Antarctica?
Well, it wasn't introduced to him the same way as Greenland was. And it didn't meet with resistance,
which is kind of what motivates him. Greenland is the opportunity for the president to get what he wants.
Greenland is an opportunity for the president to show that he can impose his will on the rest of the world.
The Nobel stuff seems ridiculous because it is, but it's also real.
Okay?
I would explain it this way.
Have you ever watched a dog bark at a mirror?
I have.
Maybe for too long.
Why is it so absurd?
Because how does the dog not know that?
it is looking at a reflection of itself and there is nothing there to see as another.
Okay.
The absurdity doesn't remove the reality.
As silly as that is, the dog is absolutely convinced.
Same with President Trump.
He believes he should have been given the Nobel Prize.
He believes he has ended eight conflicts.
A friend of mine said, can you name the eight wars?
Now, they are smart enough and in rare Trump fashion.
To not say wars anymore, they say conflicts.
But I guarantee you, lucky if you could name four of them,
because there are these things that you didn't even know really were conflicts,
and I would argue they're really not.
And the idea that he stopped eight major anythings is poppycock.
And the idea that he could deserve the Nobel Prize
when everything about him is aggressive,
violent,
obnoxious,
and not peaceful,
including his comments
to Norway
about not giving him
the Nobel Prize.
And by the way,
you may be asking yourself,
wait a minute,
can you knit these two things together for me?
Why, Norway has what to do?
Is that where Leif Erickson
was, or is he's Norway or something?
No.
He's got no...
Norway has nothing to do
with this
other than being another
international sovereign that's like, the fuck's up with you in Greenland. You don't take somebody else's
country, let alone from a NATO member, let alone from an original signatory member of the North
Atlantic treaty organization, which is Denmark. So that's all they said. And then he goes bad on them
because of the Nobel. Greenland is the metaphor for everything that Trump is about. I want it.
Why? I don't even know really where it is. I don't know who's there. I don't know much about it. I want it.
It's like when Jessica Simpson did one of the first commercials for plasma TVs, 1080I, I don't know what it is, but I want it. Same kind of vibe, okay? And doesn't look as good in gene shorts, although I'd love to see that tested out.
Greenland is Trump being Trump.
I want it.
You give it to me.
He is the ugly American.
He is that representation the world over.
That he's just a boorish, obvious, obnoxious, ugly in his actions and his intentions.
Okay?
That is why he is doing this and it's why it is so upsetting to so many.
It is violative of everything we're supposed to be defending around the world.
What?
Mike makes right, not on our watch.
Offending sovereign boundaries and sovereignty for your own expedience.
That's Russia.
That's China.
That's not America until now.
The idea that NATO ain't shit without us and you better start treating us that way is one of the most potentially corrosive things.
that we've seen in the modern era.
So what's the upside?
The upside is that there are some who believe Trump is right
to establish our supremacy.
We do give the most.
We get taken advantage of enough.
And if guys are going to come at us,
they likely will come over Greenland.
And we are going to create our own Iron Dome,
which will be called the golden something
because it's Trump, so it's got to be gold.
And Greenland's really important.
So we have to have complete control of it so we can do whatever we want and we can stop whatever we want.
Now, ask yourself, okay, so why do you have to own it?
You have one of your biggest bases in Germany, Lungstool, you didn't have to own Germany to have control over the area and the way that you need.
Why can't you just make an agreement?
Why can't you just do that?
because it doesn't play as big, as powerful, as dominant.
That's what Greenland is.
Greenland is a flex.
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You really on one level should be somewhat relieved.
It's only Greenland.
We could have been having this conversation with this president about Australia.
You could.
He could look at Australia and say, one, this guy, Albany's, he better stop running his mouth about me, okay?
I'll tell you right now, I'll take Australia.
I'll take it.
This is the way he thinks.
Why?
Well, you could call it megalomania, sure. You could call it unchecked hubris, sure. You could call it a sign of diminished capacity in someone who is aging. And sometimes in that process, human beings become this distilled version of themselves, this concentrated version of themselves. Could be that. Or it could just be luck of the draw that he's just picking on a place where we don't really have to worry about them coming back at us.
it being anything other than kind of a sad joke, assuming it doesn't happen. And that takes us to the next
part. The tariffs. Tariffs are a very frustrating thing to analyze because not unlike most tax policy,
they are not an absolute, they are conditional, meaning what? Tariffs, where, why, how long,
it matters, okay?
Tariff's good, tariffs bad.
Depends. Tax is good, tax is bad.
Depends. You can say, no, no, no, no. Taxes suck.
Well, unless you want a funded government
that can do what it's supposed to do, like protect your ass.
Okay, so there's a reason that Jesus said render under Caesar would as
Caesar's. One, it was a beautiful illustration of knowing your place,
knowing your power.
And, you know, you can't go against everybody all the time if you want to
continue to exist. And it was also dismissing the idea of money and worldly objectives.
Here, we are very much tied to worldly objectives. Tariffs, I'm going to tariff all of you if I don't
get the deal I want on Greenland. The president believes that this is just a straight bully move,
a bully move meaning there's really no backlash likely. They just don't, they're not strong enough.
have to do what you want them to do.
He is very comfortable in that.
That is a condition that would make me, for instance, one of the many, many, many, many, many, many, many
reasons I could never be dog catcher, let alone anything more in elected office, is I don't
have it like that.
I don't have that kind of naked embrace of power and influence over people.
It would make me very uncomfortable to think that there was one person, let alone
many who were just doing what I said to do because they were afraid of what happened otherwise.
The president, however, is a different bird.
And he will tariff because to him, it's like getting paid to be him.
It's like you're paying for the privilege of having this relationship with America.
And someone is not telling him that it is absolutely affecting conditions in our economy.
And I have to tell you one of the metrics that is really ignored that you should look into for yourself.
If the tariffs were doing anything like what this president said, there would be two things that are true that would not be.
The first one is you would know a hell of a lot more about what all this extra revenue has meant for the deficit and for the U.S. debt.
Have you noticed you have heard nothing about all these.
billions and zillions of dollars that have come in that mean nothing to the U.S. debt?
Where is the president saying, you know, at this rate, I'll have the debt reduced to zero in
ten minutes? Not a word. Why? There must really be nothing there. Now, I'm not saying that
no money has come in. I'm saying that there's something else going on. And I'm not saying it's
corruption, but I'm saying there's something else going on that they're not even bragging about the impact
of what this revenue has meant.
Here's the second thing.
China had a record year in trade.
Wait, what?
How?
If we're lowering the hammer on them with tariffs,
even though he reduced it,
until he may have to increase it again,
depending on their position on Greenland,
how did they have a record trade year?
Because you've got to know your place,
and America is not the only market.
So what China did, recording a record trade surplus, is shift away from America as a market to develop other places.
It's a big world, turns out.
And they had a record year.
Now you're going to do the same thing to Europe.
How will they punish you?
They will punish you through erosion.
bonds, alliances. Have you noticed that when America goes in someplace, it's always like 15 to 25
countries strong? When I was in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan during the war on terror,
a lot of these countries, they weren't being targeted by terror, but they were there fighting
against it with us. Why? That's an alliance. That's why Russia wants NATO to die. That's why Russia
loves this Greenland shit
because it can only make NATO weaker.
Only. How can this make anything stronger?
You're punishing your friends
for standing up to you for wanting to do something stupid.
There's no reason for you to have to have Greenland
to do anything that you want to do in Greenland.
There's no reason.
It's just a flex.
It's just the president at his best or his worst,
depending on how you choose to see these attributes.
He's a bully.
It's obnoxious.
It destabilizes.
It disrespects things that we're supposed to value and protect.
Or it's strategic.
It's out of the box.
It's disruptive.
It's bold.
It's aggressive.
It's American.
It's America first.
Yeah.
Greenland is everything.
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Now, what happens with Greenland?
My guess?
Nothing.
The same thing is what we thought was going to happen with, like, the penalty box that he was going to create for all the press and people that he doesn't like.
Still may.
But remember that?
We thought that certain people were going to be indentured servants and all this shit was going to happen if he got elected again in his payback mode.
It's yap.
The one thing that I...
I don't like about the media's coverage of the president, or one of the things, is we give him way to, and look, I know how crazy this is for me to say this. You take him too seriously. I know. That's nuts. Look what's happening with ICE. Look what's happening with the mood of this country. Look what's happening with all the division. Almost all of it traces back to his mouth. How can I say that? How clueless am I? I get it. I'm talking about degree. Okay.
and duration, not just the absolutism of the reality that what Trump says can carry major implications.
Yes, he is the most powerful man in the world and he is the most irresponsible with his power.
Yes, I understand.
But the Greenland thing is another example of this can't be something that's going to happen the way he's talking about it.
It's like when he was talking that shit about building in Gaza.
It's just not going to be as immediate and pressing and dominant.
And there's another thing that Greenland is a reminder of.
His ability to distract us.
Like, why are we talking about Greenland instead of health care prices?
Instead of changing how ICE is being forced to do its job.
Why?
What happened to America first?
You know, MAGA has been way too light on this.
You guys were supposed to be the original xenophobes, right?
The original isolationists.
Let's get back to us.
You know, hey, man, rest of the world, man, you're going to have to simmer a little bit.
Simmer down now.
They're going to have to simmer a little bit.
Why?
Because we got to take care of shit at home.
We got problems here.
What happened to that?
I know exactly what happened to it.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard. Way too hard. Way too hard to deal with prices, with manufacturing, with affordability, with the cost of living, with purchasing power.
That credit card thing was a decent idea. I understand that they would have tightened up who they lend to, depending on how it was structured. You could have punished them for tightening up the lending. You could have conditioned tax breaks that they get on how much they lend. You could have done that. It's not offensive to capitalism. We're not.
We have all kinds of market rules.
All kinds.
Look, the idea that you got to leave the free market alone, when you start a company, how do you start it?
How do you start it?
You file, right?
You ever start an LLC?
You file articles, right?
What's that?
Is that the free market?
No, it's regulated.
It's regulated ab initio.
It's regulated from the beginning.
The whole business.
structure is regulations and rules and requirements. What are you talking about? There's no unfettered
market. Why do we bail these fuckers out all the time? If it's laissez-faire, you know, let what's
going to happen happen. Oh, really? Is that what happened in the Great Depression? Is that what
happened in the Great Recession? Is that whatever happens? This is bullshit. They're totally
propped up. Come on. So, you.
You could say to the credit card companies, where's my Greenland credit card with a big picture of Trump on it?
Yeah, you could do that, or you could say to them, if you do not lend at a certain rate and to a certain number of people, you do not get the tax benefit that you now get.
We're going to reduce it.
Similarly, you could go to the employers of some 160 million people or so and say, oh, you know what your biggest tax break is, right?
You know what your biggest write-off is?
It's your health care costs.
Okay, good.
We all know that?
Great.
You don't get it if you spend more than X on health care.
Guess what they're going to do?
Negotiate like mofos, and the costs are going to come down.
Why?
Because they're not going to lose a tax benefit.
And if they say, well, then we're going to just not be able to give people health care.
Okay, great.
But I'm going to penalize the fuck out of you if you don't do that.
You see what I'm saying?
Credit card companies, he could have done that.
What happened?
Three days.
They came back and the Trump credit card rate went away.
And they said, maybe we'll just put out a Trump credit card at 10%.
Oh, that's a great idea.
Of course it is.
It has a word Trump in it.
But otherwise, they're not going to have to change.
Three days it took them.
They ain't the health care lobby.
What's the point?
Greenland is easy.
Dealing with greenbacks and people and corporations in their money, hard.
Hard.
Okay?
Easy to say our economy is amazing for everyone.
your life is so much better than it was a year ago.
Hard to prove that.
Okay?
Greenland is easy.
And it is a metaphor for everything that Trump is and is not.
At his best, let's say, and at his worst.
Greenland is everything.
And it is also going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be.
a bellwether issue.
Meaning what?
I think that the way that the president backs off or deals with this issue is going to be highly
predictive of what happens when the world has to come together around China or Russia.
Because that's what it's going to take.
It's going to take.
Remember, World War II was Germany, shit-ass Italy, and shockingly, um,
competent Japan against everybody else.
Okay?
And it took everybody else.
What do you think it would take if it were China or Russia?
And by the way, I'm not even talking militarily.
I'm not talking some bullshit land war or some mutually assured destruction of nuclear
engagement.
Just whatever the nature of the conflict becomes.
short of that, it's going to take everybody.
How accessible is everybody with the erosion of trust
with America and anybody?
So Greenland becomes metaphor, becomes bellwether.
And it is also a cautionary tale for us
in terms of not taking the bait and being distracted.
It's like impossible for us to stay on a questionary tale.
health care, which consumed the beginning of the Obama administration. Here you have the first
black president, all the civil rights stuff, all the expectations, all the desire for change
was all about health care. Why? Because that's all, that was his big idea. That's all he could
handle. And I don't mean that as a, uh, as a criticism of him. I'm saying it was a big deal.
We can't stay on it for two days. Why? Because Captain Chaos likes to distract us.
because when you're talking about a hundred things,
it's hard to be accountable for what?
One thing, anything.
Greenland is everything, okay?
The reason that he wants it.
Because he does, because someone told him he wasn't allowed to have it,
because someone told him it would be interesting or good for America.
If we had complete control of it, it would show it would be a flex.
It would be a lesson to Russia and China.
I agree.
It is a lesson to Russia and China.
In might makes right and forced expansion.
Hello, Taiwan.
So I used to try to wave you off of Greenland and say, don't be getting caught up in that bullshit.
Greenland should be relegated to the place where it was in most of our lives if you're in Gen X, which is the movie The Princess Bride.
Do you want me to thank you back to where I found you?
Jobless in Greenland?
That's where it belongs.
But now here we are, and I am telling you something different.
I'm saying, look at it for what it is, which is a demonstration of our president at his
worst and most dangerous for international stability.
Because why would anybody give a rat's ass what America has to say about respecting
sovereignty when he's doing and saying what he is right now?
And for those who are still somehow drawn to the mystique of the great disruptor,
this is the kind of move that they like to see.
But I'll tell you what, it has to be tied Venezuela and this.
And there'll be another thing.
We haven't heard about North Korea in a while.
Once you're going to start mixing it up with that guy again?
You see what I'm saying?
It's like administration by ADD.
You can't stay focused on any.
And I got to tell you, what do we know from the rest of our lives?
When you have eight different things going at once, what does it do to your ability to finish any of them?
When you have eight projects going around the house, how many of them are getting done?
None.
You got to focus at some point.
And these people love to push back by saying, well, you can walk and chew gum.
No, you can't.
What you can do at best that we've seen in the last 10 years is you can trip over your own feet and fall on your face because you're trying to do anything when you're supposed to be walking.
We need focus.
And focus is hard, especially for a scatterbrained administration.
We have a real problem in this country that is staring at every level of society.
cost of living in a K-shaped economy.
Remember, K-shaped means that you're like this.
We're all at the same starting place.
There's two prongs, the investor economy and everybody else,
which is why it's a bigger finger.
And this one is going down and this one is going up.
So I can show you metrics that the stock market's doing well.
They're different things that are growing.
But that's for some, not for the many.
That's a K-shaped economy.
And that's what we have.
And that's what must be addressed.
But that's not going to be talked about as long as we can grab onto a Greenland or start a little civil strife in Minnesota.
Because those things are easy.
And real change and taking on real problems is hard.
So don't ignore Greenland.
Look at it for what it is because Greenland is everything.
That's my take.
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Greenland as a metaphor is everything.
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