The Chris Cuomo Project - Why Mike Tyson Is FIGHTING for Legal Weed
Episode Date: July 8, 2025Mike Tyson (former Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and Co‑Founder & Chief Brand Officer, TYSON 2.0) joins Chris Cuomo to discuss how cannabis changed his life and why he’s fighting to change feder...al law. Tyson details how marijuana helped him recover his health, lose 100 pounds, and leave behind addiction. He’s now advocating for cannabis to be removed from the Schedule I drug list and legalized at the federal level. Joined by entrepreneur Brady Cobb (Sunburn Cannabis), Tyson makes the case for safe, tested, and age-restricted cannabis — not just as a business, but as a matter of justice. The conversation covers banking restrictions, bipartisan political support, and why cannabis reform could be a winning issue for 2025. Tyson also reflects on his most famous quotes, the impact of social media, and what he calls the “fight of his life." Try 120Life with a 15% discount using code “CHRIS” at checkout on 120life.com. Stop wasting money on brand names and start saving with http://dupe.com today! Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get 20% off + free shipping with promo code CUOMO at https://shopmando.com! #mandopod Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at http://shopify.com/chrisc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Iron Mike Tyson and Brady Cobb are getting together for what Mike calls the fight of his life.
What is it? And why does it matter to you?
I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project.
Mike Tyson, okay? I've been a fanboy of his as a fighter.
Sure, he's controversial. He's got his own life's of up and downs,
and there's a redemption story in there if you want to see it.
But what I'm interested now is not talking about him, but talking about what he believes
made the biggest difference in his own life.
Cannabis and how it's been used as a medicine, not a drug, not to be abused, but used medicinally
and what it's meant for him in terms of his personal disposition, his health, and now his commitment to the cause of getting rid of all of this federal heat that is on cannabis with Brady Cobb.
Brady Cobb is famous, legendary in the space of cannabis culture.
His father was this outlaw who was caught for trafficking and Brady got involved and
now he's trying to mainstream it. And the big obstacle is states allow it, the feds don't.
And that screws with the ability to run the business, it screws with the ability for it
to be legal and safe and they are all about it and I wanted to talk to Iron Mike and Brady
about what they're trying to do and why it matters to you.
All right, gentlemen, thank you for taking the opportunity.
I appreciate it.
Hey, it's an pleasure, brother.
Thank you for having us.
Mike, let me start with you before I fanboy a little bit.
Why is this so important to you?
You've put a lot of energy into this. You've put a lot of study into this.
When I hear you explain cannabis and social policy,
I feel like you go deeper than you do
on a lot of other things that people ask you about.
Why? Why does it matter to you so much?
Because you have to look at the laws.
We have one guy, what was it?
Well, Welsa Mangelo, the president just passed. He was doing, Idon Mangelo, that the president just part.
He was doing, I think, 55 years for a nonviolent marijuana charge.
And that's what we really want, the president to give us clemency for nonviolent marijuana
users, skeleton from level three to one, from one to three, and also making sure we have
safe banking.
And what does that mean, safe banking? That they're not discriminatory towards anybody
because if you're in the cannabis business,
you can't have any relations with the banking system.
It's actually a pretty big problem.
I mean, as an operator, I can tell you, we can't bank
and you have over 400,000 people in the United States
that are employees in the cannabis industry.
Most can't qualify for mortgages because they,
half a million, excuse me, can't qualify for mortgages
because they have a W-2
from a legal state legal cannabis business.
Most of them are, you know,
with all these hearings you see in Congress right now
and the president mulling a potential executive order
on de-banking, that's been real in cannabis from day one,
for a plant that has been found to have medical uses
in a 250 page Health and Human Services report
that was issued last year.
And I can just tell you for me,
one of the reasons I was excited to team up with Mike
is he's one of the few people
that actually believes in the plant
and the plant has changed his life.
And look, we're not saying we want weed on every corner.
We want it to be tested.
We want it to be age gated. We want it to be tested. We want it to be age-gated. We want Americans to
have the freedom to choose it as opposed to opiates, pills, or even alcohol, which
the HHS report actually found was more dangerous than cannabis. And why I
believe and why I wanted to partner with Mike on this initiative and be alongside
Weld and a lot of other people is Mike actually believes in the plant.
He'll tell you himself how it's changed his life.
That to me, that authenticity,
it's the reason I got into the industry.
My father obviously went to prison for cannabis.
So for me, it was the reason I jumped in
and I'm a big believer in the plant.
I've been using it for far longer than my mom
would probably want me to say on TV,
but that is what it is.
And that's why I was interested in partnering with Mike.
That's why I initially invested in Mike's company
when he started Tyson 2.0.
A lot of celebrities have come and gone.
Not a lot of them actually embrace the plan.
Mike, what does that mean it changed your life?
Hey, listen, of course I started fighting professionally
in 1985 and I used to smoke,
as an amateur I smoked weed all the time.
But as a professional I could no longer smoke.
And I was going insane. I was just going insane.
So my whole career, I didn't smoke in court.
You see all the trouble I got into.
And then I stopped smoking.
I stopped. I stopped drinking. I stopped doing everything.
Matter of fact, I stopped smoking cigarettes.
But I never I never started smoking weed.
I started smoking weed back in probably 2004.
I started smoking again.
And what did it do for you?
Hey, it saved my life.
I was a coke addict, alcoholic.
I threw my life away.
I didn't have a dime to my name, and I started smoking weed.
And eventually, I started working. Little, and eventually I started working out.
Little by little I started walking.
I lost 100 pounds.
I felt good.
I said, I'm a fighter exhibition.
I fought Roy Jones, and then next thing you know,
I'm living my life.
And next thing, and then I fought this other fight.
You know, I would never have done that
if I wasn't using cannabis.
I would just never have done that.
I would have been drunk and fat.
I lost 100 pounds.
Mike, did the cannabis allow you to give Paul a pass in that fight?
Because I saw like six different opportunities where you could have knocked him the fuck out and didn't.
I love that guy, man.
Nobody needs you.
Everybody's beautiful.
They won't love each other.
If I'm going to have you love me anywhere in the ring would be where I want it to happen.
All right, so let's so Mike Tyson says, look, this made a difference for me.
You're up against two things.
Okay.
One of them is, well, both of them are stigma.
Right.
So at the federal level, they will not decriminalize this because it makes a politician look weak
on crime.
How do you deal with that?
I'll get a response from both of you.
Brady, I'll start with you.
Yeah, and I've been lobbying, I started lobbying DC on cannabis right around 2014 and we focused
in on Republicans.
And let me tell you, it was cold meetings.
You know, it's hard to get a meeting with the person that made coffee in the office,
which is, you know, much less the actual member.
But we've seen it change because as these industries
have gone from kind of West Coast, more liberal,
you know, states that had them in California,
Colorado, Washington, Oregon,
and now you see key states in battlegrounds,
in electoral college votes, in Michigan, in Florida,
and even some of the deep South states now go,
and people are paying attention and understanding
this is not the same marijuana industry that everybody was worried about.
I mean, there's been over 500,000 arrests for marijuana. That's more than most violent
crime combined. That doesn't make a lot of sense for cannabis. So at the end of the day,
the stigma that we have to fight is these people are working in this industry legally.
By the way, the jobs, the cannabis jobs of 500,000 that Mike mentioned, most of those
aren't counted on the weekly jobs report.
So there'd be a nice little boost in the weekly jobs report if those were ever actually counted
because it's still a schedule one drug.
The beat the stigma, the reality is you have to show people that this is just like making
a choice to drink alcohol or to take a prescription drug that your physician refers you.
Same thing, it's not for everybody, but it should be something that's found to have been
non-addictive.
And it's just a matter of continually having
that messaging come out.
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and everybody else that signed on to that letter
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Well, let me tell you something, I'm no Mike Tyson,
but I do share a couple of things with him.
One of them is marijuana or even hemp derived THC
and cannabinoids has changed my leisure life because alcohol and I did not mix
well. And almost every stupid thing I've ever done in my life involved alcohol and never with
marijuana. So when you say it's just like the choice to drink, I would argue, alcohol does nothing good for anyone.
Nothing.
Nothing.
And marijuana is just not the same thing.
I can't, I mean, look, Mike, you and I,
you were somebody I've always been a fanboy of.
My father, Mario Cuomo, was friends with Cus DeMato.
For anybody.
And it's your father as well.
Yes, and my father took me to the Catskills
to watch you training before,
when you were training up with Cus.
And I remember watching you,
we watched your first 16 fights.
Which, you know, in some total,
I think was about three and a half minutes.
But I've been a big fan for a long time and I think it's really honest of you to talk
about your struggles and what's worked and what hasn't.
And I feel like marijuana, hemp-derived, cannabinoids, whatever, the whole class of it gets lumped
in with bad drugs.
And now they say, well, it's not your grandfather's weed,
it's so strong now, it's a gateway drug.
What do you say to that, Mike?
Well, listen, I believe that's just,
that's fable stuff, man.
Nothing's a gateway drug but alcohol, okay?
That's the gateway to hell.
You know, and the statistics prove that as well.
So that's what I say.
I think this is what I see.
I see cannabis coming, it starts as a little ball,
but it starts from Mount Olympus.
And when it comes down, it's just gonna crush everybody.
You're gonna have to give into it.
Real quick, that I think that Mike said
that's really interesting to me is,
and I agree with you, my life has changed.
I mean, I've been a big fan of cannabis,
but obviously went to college and had a good time drinking. And I can just
tell you, even for like my wife, who's a yoga instructor, who never really liked cannabis,
so that went illegal. She's now changed her life and now is using cannabis a lot more.
She likes the gummies and it's replaced that two glasses of wine a couple nights a week with a
half a gummy and she feels a million times better. And I think if you look at the stats coming out
of the recent polling, you got 93% of Americans favor cannabis legalization. So there's
this big lag between public sentiment and ultimately what the politicians are doing,
which I think presents an opportunity for the president who has been vocal on this issue to
steal an issue from Democrats potentially that didn't follow through during Biden's term and
actually seize upon an issue that has, you know, wild public support.
There's a lot of public support because I think you also got to look at alcohol sales.
Alcohol sales have declined substantially year over year as cannabis kind of comes in and
now you see mushrooms and other items that are coming in and getting attention as well.
So for me, it's a lifestyle choice.
And that's a choice that we should be able to make without the stigma to your point. And cannabis is next to cocaine, heroin, LSD, unscheduling.
Fentanyl is schedule two, marijuana is schedule one.
Make that make sense.
Fentanyl is doing everything moving now.
It's only level two.
Right, so Mike, what are you seeing in terms of,
you know, people love talking to you.
They love the redemption story of what you've done with your own life. Are you getting any
traction on this? Do lawmakers want to stand next to you on this or do they take a pass,
even though they'd love to be with Mike?
Yes, I spoke with people about this and eventually I'm going to speak with the administration
and I spoke with the DEA. They're working with me on this and I'm eventually I'm going to speak with the administration. And I spoke with the DEA, they're working with me on this.
And I'm just, I'm just happy to be involved with the safety part of cannabis and the state
and please, I hate to work when they use drugs.
That's the that's what that's the stigma that has not a drug, you know, it's not it's medicine.
Law enforcement, Mike, you must do well with them because nobody feels that this is a bigger waste of time
than men and women in law enforcement.
Having to make these cases on weed
when they know there's so much more important stuff
out there for them, they've been saying this forever.
No, but still, there's bad weed coming from Mexico
and China that's killing people.
And we have to be on top of that.
That's the most important strategy at the moment.
Safe cannabis.
Fair point, Mike, but Brady,
I mean, if you're worried about tainted drugs,
weed is gonna be low on your list of concerns, right?
I mean, fentanyl can't be put in marijuana,
just for you people at home to understand this.
Why? Because of the flashpoint
and temperature of fire. If you're going to light a joint, okay, if it were to have fentanyl in it,
fentanyl burns up and is dissipated at a much lower temperature than what is actually flame.
So they don't put fentanyl in weed the way they do in coke
or in oxys or in other things
that are gonna be taken-
Even Adderall now.
Adderall, yeah, because it's so cheap and so strong.
Oh, I'm being educated, I'm so happy to know this stuff.
But I mean, that's why, I mean, I'm not saying
that people can't fuck with marijuana in a tincture
or in some other form,
but just in terms of cost effectiveness,
the reason they step on their drugs with fentanyl
is that it's so strong and it's so cheap
and it's so easy to make,
but it's not smoked.
And if you do try to smoke it,
it burns up much before the marijuana would.
So that's why I can't think of any cases
that have been legitimate, Brady,
where people found laced marijuana with fentanyl that had killed people.
No and I think to your point on law enforcement because you know we've
partnered with a lot of different law enforcement agencies through the years
as we've done this work to try to reform it they don't want to go prosecute
marijuana. I mean could you imagine sitting in in prison and or having a
conviction on your record for cannabis and then there's legal dispensaries and
in some cases with this hemp-derived cannabinoids is being sold at your local gas
station down the street.
It'd be a pretty frustrating moment to have to live through that.
And I think, you know, you talk about Mike talked about Weldon Angelos, who's an amazing
story that, you know, I partnered with Weldon years ago, Mike's partnered with Weldon, he
was convicted, small possession, ended up getting 30 years, conservative Senator Mike Lee
would lead the charge to help get him out and Donald Trump actually pardoned him during his
first term. And we're currently working on clemency cases because there's still people sitting in jail
for weed. And that to me is law enforcement today, most well-intentioned law enforcement
that's read up on it understand that cannabis has been ranked by the DEA as being less addictive than aspirin.
So the whole addictiveness argument is kind of no thanks.
It's found to be, you know, to your, to your point, it's a, it's a choice for a
wellness based product to actually just supplement it with instead of using
alcohol or other things.
So law enforcement is not ripe to go do this, but we got to change the
scheduling president Biden to his credit started it, we got to finish it.
Why does hemp get a pass?
A loophole in the 2018 Farm Bill.
So when the 2018 Farm Bill went through
to allow hemp as a U.S. agricultural crop
in a meaningful way,
they didn't make some key clarifications.
And I was involved in that process
and we were sounding alarms back then
that it could potentially allow for the proliferation
of hemp-derived cannabinoids. And one of them is a THCA. So THCA is the same as THC. It's just THCA
converts to THC when it's combusted. So they're selling these THCA cannabinoids and actually
selling THCA, which is it's weed. What we favor is one plant, one set of regulations.
That's what needs to happen.
Right now, there's a giant loophole in the farm bill that there's actually, it's bill went through
the House, it passed its first committee, it's going to the House floor to get to try to eliminate
a lot of this. And those total bans don't work either. That just happened in Texas and Governor
Abbott vetoed it. So we don't need a total ban. We need one set of rules for the entire industry
to build a true, I mean, this industry is $35, $40 billion in America right now.
It's going to continue to grow, but we need actual regulation.
And the federal government's half in, half out approach so far is what's allowed the
CCP to set up illegal grows, as Senator Susan Collins has been talking about.
It's what allowed these operators to operate in the shadows where they shouldn't.
So it's just time to really finish the process.
Here we are in 2025 and marijuana is still
sitting next to heroin.
What do you make of the argument that it's not
weed of a generation ago, that it's so much stronger now
and that it deserves to be scheduled as a real drug?
I had a good laugh every time I see,
I would say Laura Ingram talk about that.
She's pretty vocal about that on her show.
And for me, it's show me the test results in 1977. Guess what? They weren't testing in 1977.
So that comparison for me is complete and total bullshit because no one was running COAs when
you're buying your Mexican brickweed and glage sandwich bags. So at the end of the day,
how do you even make the comparison? And number two, cannabis today has a myriad of forms,
despite the federal regulation
that has been basically an overhang.
You have tinctures, you have beverage,
you have creams, you have low dose,
you have mid dose, you have high dose.
And it's all, if you do it legally,
you can pull a COA and see exactly what you're getting,
as opposed to going behind a Starbucks
or even back in the day, going behind a quickie mart
and picking up a bag from your local plug, which I'm not hating on Ted either,
but there was no testing involved in that. So how, when every time I hear that comment, I'm like,
well, show me the testing that shows it was so much stronger. It doesn't exist. It's another,
that's the modern day reefer madness minus the old bad black and white movies.
And the only thing that I have seen, I mean, I, again, I do my research on this stuff.
And the only thing that I have seen, I mean, again, I do my research on this stuff. Dirty weed is not really a thing.
When they do find it, it's usually a cross contamination issue.
But the dosage is really why I think that they should want to go past a full ban and
regulate it.
I mean, it's the only issue that I see as a user is that you're always trying to find out for yourself how much you should take,
which is obviously not there with every other medicine, right?
Someone's telling you this is how much you need.
With weed, you've got to figure it out yourself because they haven't allowed it
to become part of the mainstream system.
Correct. I mean, everybody, every human being has an endocannabinoid system,
which is designed to receive cannabis. So that's a, you know, most people don't believe
that they don't understand that. But part of your parasympathetic nervous system includes
an endocannabinoid system that is designed to receive cannabis. So the notion that it's
some foreign substance, you don't have a system in your body designed to receive alcohol.
It's poison.
So at the end of the day, it's you're meant to have it, but every strain affects somebody
different as someone that's been involved in the industry as an operator, a cultivator
and a retailer.
I have consumers come in and say, this strain, this petrol station makes me feel like I drink
a shot of espresso and somebody else whose body's a little bit different can come in
and say that puts me to sleep.
I love it.
So it's just a matter of actually being able to have enough people try and gather enough data to make recommendations, which with this federal
overhang we can't.
Well, look, what you have going for you is the hypocrisy of alcohol. I mean, alcohol
just ruins everything it touches. Even if you do it in moderation, you're not going
to feel good. Once you get over 50, everybody has to start changing how they drink anyway,
because you realize
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Protect what matters before the next shop hits. Mike, while I have you, I want to tap into the philosopher, Mike Tyson also.
I wanted to ask you, did you know when you first said that everybody has a plan until
they get punched in the face, that it would become such a widespread piece of wisdom.
Well, that's the great custom model for you.
That was his quote.
I remember my father saying that,
but you made it famous.
I remember when people were saying,
when it first came out that you were saying it,
why do you think it's had such legs
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What do you think you tapped into with that?
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Everybody had this plan, we're gonna make money,
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we're gonna sell this building,
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Holy crap.
Then you gotta start over again, you gotta punch back.
The other expression that I use all the time,
and I think it's becoming even more relevant now,
is about social media.
You said once that social media has made people forget
that sometimes what comes out of your mouth
can get you punched in the face.
I think that is something that we are really dealing with
in our society right now.
You know, Mike, can you ever remember a time
where the level of dialogue was as nasty as it is now
between people online?
Well, listen, the people that invented this,
they were smart.
They made the people safe.
They're talking crap from a distance.
So they gave them courage.
Right, what do we do about it, you think, Mike?
Hey, we have to be big boys
and be able to accept abuse sometimes.
You can't punch everybody in the face
that hurts your feelings.
Ha!
You can, but most of us, you know, we lose that exchange.
New lawsuits, I'm glad for paying,
but there is too many lawsuits.
It's such a problem, though.
I mean, I know Mike's got kids.
I've got kids. My son's 15.
My daughter's 13.
I mean, to prepare them for a world where they're going to potentially get attacked.
And get it done. I can't get it.
I can't get it.
You know, the Internet thing is I just, you know, I teach my kids just pay.
Don't you know, don't pay attention to it.
And ultimately, you know, we might show no social media yet.
I think that's a real problem.
But at the end of the day, it's scary.
I don't hide anything.
I don't hide it, because life is gonna hit them
with mine, with me guiding them and that.
Life is gonna hit them.
Life is gonna hit everybody.
No one's gonna get out of that.
Okay, how much money you got?
Okay, how poor you got?
You're gonna have to deal with life's punches.
It's true.
Nobody gets out of this life alive,
as my father used to tease me all the time.
Mike, do you believe that this is the way you can have it?
I've been taking I've been taking your lines for 30 years.
You can you can have that one.
Mike, do you believe that this is the toughest fight you've ever been in?
Hey, it's the toughest fight that I'm willing to take.
I'm looking so forward to taking this to another level.
Even if I'm not here to see it,
I'm just the person that would like to start
my light at the torch.
And when people say to you,
you really believe that using marijuana
has changed how you are as a person?
Well, no one never told,
no one ever asked me that they saw it.
The world saw it, they didn't have to ask me.
And that's what it was, it wasn't just maturity,
it wasn't working on yourself in other ways.
You believe-
Hey, listen, I was 40 years old
and I was still being a fool.
It had nothing, I was supposed to be mature at 40, 45, no. Get it.
Well, listen, fellas, here's what I can do.
I'm happy to spread the word
and I'm happy to be part of your efforts.
You guys want me on, you know, Mike,
you want me on your podcast to talk about it,
I'm happy to.
Brady, you got ways for me to be involved,
to help you guys.
I'm happy to do it. You need guys. I'm happy to do it.
You need investors, I'm happy to do it.
I think it's really important because we gotta focus
on the real problems and not keep making up problems
for ourselves in this society.
We keep doing this, we keep making up shit
that we gotta be upset about when there's plenty of stuff
that we could actually fight about that's worthwhile.
So Brady Cobb, Mr. Mike Tyson, I wish you both well in this.
You got the research on your side.
Stigma is tough to beat though.
We're a judgy bunch of mofos in this society.
And you're definitely playing with one of the main statements.
When judgment grows up too,
judgment see, when judgment see incorrectness, it grows up.
When judgment sees incorrectness, it grows up. When judgment sees incorrectness, it grows up.
I like it. I'm going to steal that one too, Mike.
Thank you very much for being with me. I wish you well.
I wish you good things with this. Let me know how I can help.
Thank you. Thank you so much, Chris.
Look, I believe, okay? I've tried to take booze out of my life as much as I can and
I've replaced it for my leisure activities and for my joint support with CBD and cannabinoid
products, mostly from Dragon Hemp because I know the guy who makes it and he's out
by me.
So I believe in this.
I think it's silly that hemp is he's out by me. So I believe in this.
I think it's silly that hemp is a carve out
and marijuana is not.
I think it's really silly that this is a federal schedule one
drug when marijuana is supposed to be seen
as more deadly than fentanyl.
Really?
Really?
It's time to do better.
It's good to have Iron Mike. It's good to have
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