The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – A Big Mess in Texas: The Miraculous, Disastrous 1952 Dallas Texans and the Craziest Untold Story in NFL History by David Fleming

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

A Big Mess in Texas: The Miraculous, Disastrous 1952 Dallas Texans and the Craziest Untold Story in NFL History by David Fleming https://www.amazon.com/Big-Mess-Texas-Miraculous-Disastrous/dp/1250374308 The incredible, untold true story of the 1952 Dallas Texans―the most dysfunctional team in the craziest season in NFL history. Rattlesnakes on the practice field, barroom brawls between teammates, bounced checks, paternity suits, house bombings by the Ku Klux Klan, stadium fields covered in circus-elephant dung, one-legged trainers, humiliating defeats, miraculous wins, All-Pro quarterbacks getting drunk at halftime, strip poker with groupies, and even a future Hall of Fame coach stealing a cab. Nearly lost to history, this singular season in the most football-mad region of the world is a kaleidoscope of every larger-than-life, fictionalized Texas football folktale ever written or filmed, with one incredible twist: it’s all true. Over a fascinating, ten-month rollercoaster ride in 1952, in the waning Wild West days of the NFL, before television turned the game into a corporation, the forgotten Dallas Texans would go down in history as one of the worst (and, wildest) teams of all time and the last NFL team to fail. But not before defying the Jim Crow South, pulling off a Thanksgiving Day miracle against George Halas’s famed Chicago Bears and then celebrating with an even more infamous bender that would make Jimmy Johnson’s Dallas Cowboys blush. A year later, the NFL buried all traces of the most loveable, dysfunctional, entertaining team in history by secretly rebranding the train wreck Texans as the wholesome, all-American Baltimore Colts, the team that would go on to save pro football. A Big Mess in Texas tells the Texans’ tale with all the humor, drama, game action, colorful characters, villains, world-class athletes, civil rights trailblazers, and incredible plot twists of that legendary season.

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Because you're about to go on a moment. monster education rollercoaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Hello, this is Voss here from thecrisVos Show.com. Ladies, young, with the earliest season that makes official. Welcome to 16 years gone on 17, 2,600 episodes of the Chris Voss show, where we bring you the most amazing minds, the smartest people, greatest stories, just wonderful journeys of people's emotions through life,

things they learn, things that they used to grow, things they use to overcome adversity, and they bring them to you so you can learn to do that or not, or we just mildly entertain you and make you laugh. Today, we have an amazing gentleman returning the show with us. We have David Fleming on the show again. His latest book has come out October 14th, 2025 called A Big Mess in Texas. The Miracusely, I'm sorry, let me recut that. A Big Mess in Texas, The Miraculous, Disastrous, 1952, Dallas Texans, and the craziest untold story in NFL history. We're going to get into it with him.

We're going to talk about some of his insights, his experience and stuff I didn't even know about football and some of the wonderful things that go on there. David Fleming is the author of four books and a Peabody nominated correspondent for Metal Arc media. During the last three decades at ESPN Sports Illustrated in a Metal Arc. He has been one of the industry's most prolific, versatile. and imaginative long-form storytellers.

His unique work has earned numerous national awards, as well as a handwritten note from the White House. He is the author of Hoosier Founding Father, Breaker Boys, the NFL's greatest team, and the stolen 1925 championship in Noah's Rainbow. A native of Detroit and a former D-1 wrestler, Fleming, and his wife live in North Carolina with their daughters. Welcome to the show.

How are you, David? I'm great. Good to see you again, Chris. Thank you. Great to see you again, too. So are you a Lions fan growing up in Detroit or? Yeah, I think, yeah, Lions fan and, oh, my God, my poor family, we're half Lions fans and half Cleveland Browns fans. Yeah, they came so close recently, about it was a few years ago. The Lions did?

The Lions did, yeah. We thought they were going to find to get that one in the bag. I know you can appreciate that heartache as a Raiders fan yourself. I certainly can, yes. Yes. So let's get into it. Give us dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs?

All my stuff is Flemphile. So Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, let's see, Gmail, and my author's website is just phlegfile.com. So hit me up there. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside this book? Oh, my gosh. Basically, it is the last, it was the NFL's first attempt to put a team in the South.

It was the team that was supposed to become the Dallas Cowboys, supposed to become America's team. And in fact, the book, the working title for the book for a long time was almost America's team. But instead of becoming America's team, the 1952 Dallas Texans became the last NFL team to go bankrupt. And they did it in record and hilarious fashion. They basically drank and partied. and stunk it up on the football field and were gone in less than five months,

which is why I think most NFL fans don't even know this team existed. Five months. Yeah, I never heard of them. I only knew the Oilers growing up when I was a kid and the Cowboys. Yeah, I think a lot of people think that this is the team,

the AFL team that became the Kansas City Chiefs, but no, this was the NFL's first attempt to put a team in Dallas in 19, Yeah. Boy, if you had entitled who this team was, let's see, rattlesnakes on the practice field, player fights and benders, bounce checks and paternity suits, stadium field covered in elephant dung. And this sounds like my Raiders. I think, I mean, I think. Raiders in the 70s. Yeah. No, exactly. This team is kind of, this book is kind of like Slapshot meets North Dallas 40 meets Animal House. And I, This doesn't sound like the Raiders during the 70s. Yes. So how did you discover this story?

You know, this is kind of an unknown kind of thing out there. Well, like you as a Raiders fan, as a guy whose family is all lions and Browns fans, when the Browns went, Owen 16, I think it was 2017, I was trying to be like a good son, a good nephew, a good cousin, and I was doing research, because I worked for ESPN for three decades and I was doing research on okay who really is the worst team to ever play in the NFL and this make your Browns friends feel good right I was trying to give them you know trying to improve their holidays or something that bad folks and and I mean like all great stories I stumbled upon this 1952 story of the Dallas Texans and I mean my god as a writer and a researcher as you

start to peel back the layers, it's just, you can't believe any of this is true. It's just a complete shit show of a team. And it sounds like the NFL was trying to, I don't know, expand so hard. They just kind of went, whatever. Who is the, who is the, who funded this? Was there a, you know, an oligarchy type billionaire dude or, you know, multimillioner dude, I guess back then that started the team or how did it work? they're one of the best characters in the book is jiles miller who at he was 31 he was a college and

high school football fanatic and at the time he was the youngest millionaire in america but it was because of his dad's money his dad was clearance miller who was known as the textile king of the south and i think you'll appreciate this you know back then people it's hard for current fans to understand this. But before the TV money kicked in, the NFL was chaotic. It was on the verge of bankruptcy. It was violent. The 1950s were this great wild west era of the NFL.

And, you know, Giles Miller put up the money and the NFL had always wanted to expand more teams into the west or, you know, west of the Mississippi. And I'm not sure if the commissioner at the time knew it was a sucker's bet. But they let them give it a shot, and they just blew it up in record time. Wow. That's crazy, man. Yeah, I mean, I kind of miss those days. I mean, I grew up with Ken Stabler and the Raiders and became a fan as a child.

Obviously, it was a long time ago. And, you know, the brutal nature that the Raiders brought to the game, the dirty tricks and stuff. I remember asking, I can't remember who it was, but he won the Super Bowl for the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers. And I'm like, why in the 2000s are we still playing dirty football, 1970s football? He goes, that's just Dale Davis, man. He's still in 1970s, man. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I'm like, but we get 300 yards of penalties a game. We literally lose games

over yards of penalties. Every weekend, it was like 300 yards of penalties on the Raiders because someone's punching in the scrum, you know, and just stupid shit like that. But yeah, to see some of this, I kind of miss those days. Oh, you would miss those days. Nowadays, the last three or four years, nowadays, all the penalties are like, if you look bad or dangerously at any of the chiefs, then you get penalized.

I mean, the stuff that went on in the 1950s, I mean, none of the stuff that's illegal today, it was perfectly legal. you could you could do whatever you wanted to a quarterback I mean short of murder and you could if a guy went down and he was untouched you could continue to hit him players their stories in the book of George Hallis kicking an opponent in the groin because he had made the mistake of going out of bounds by the Chicago Bears coach so it was just it was violent it was colorful remember most of the guys who populated the NFL during this time they had just survived revived World War II.

And so they were like, football, this is a piece of cake compared to the Battle of the Bulge. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you kick someone in the groin, that's definitely a battle of the bulge. Oh! I know what that means, folks. But, yeah, I kind of miss those violent days. I mean, nowadays, it seems like it's almost become a version of touch football. But, yeah, I kind of miss those crazy days of the, you know, it's a violent game.

It's supposed to be a violent game. game. It's like rugby. It's a, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, that was that thing that people get, the brain thing, the TIA or whatever. CTE, yeah. CTE. I mean, yeah, that's probably not great, but we pay you a lot of money to be brain dead at 30. So. Yeah. And remember, I mean, in the 1950s, there were, they, most players didn't wear face masks. So it was, it seems like in every photo, somebody is punching somebody else in the face. Oh, yeah. But, I think that's the reason why the NFL became so popular was because, you know, televisions really became a thing in the 50s and people were bored with baseball.

And the NFL was like this addictive, violent entertainment and it just, it skyrocketed after the 50s. Yeah. I mean, what's a good, you know, I mean, if you can't make your own domestic violence, it's on TV. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, back then, I think they were just kind of wearing foil for helmets to, you know, just a little protection i mean they look they look like the Halloween costumes you can get today yeah for sure for sure these guys were these guys were they were tough there's more plastic in those

in those uh in those little uh Halloween pumpkin heads that you hold you can you have you know you ever seen those things yeah so this is pretty how come there's not more exposure on this story do you think uh how come it's not more known or does the NFL just kind of like we want to forget about that whole thing yeah i think the NFL so the crazy part of this story there's many this team which was a disaster right they ended up becoming the squeaky clean all-american johnny unitas baltimore colts and so i think the NFL doesn't want people to associate as you perfectly put it this absolute shit show in dallas with the the savior of the NFL, the Johnny Unitist, Baltimore Colts. And then the other thing that's, that's, I think the

other thing is why this, this team and this story gets either erased or sort of nostalgically whitewashed. But the main reason why the team didn't survive in Dallas and went bankrupt so quickly was Dallas, they had, their two best players were black. And Dallas in the Jim Crow South in 1952, Dallas was absolutely not ready. to support an integrated football team. Oh, wow. Oh, that sounds like Texas. I like this idea of rattlesnakes being on the field.

Can we bring this back? I think this might help my Raiders play better. Or at least move a little faster. Yeah, they made many mistakes, right? But one of them was they decided to hold their training camp in the hottest place in Texas, down by San Antonio. And so every morning they would come out. and the trainer and the the maybe the the the the youngest rookie on the team would have to clear literally clear the field of rattlesnakes before they could practice that's a they got some budget going on there the uh no i don't know that might make geosmith the better quarterback over on the raiders there uh i think we should put one on the side ones and you keep coach uh what's his face awake these days yeah yeah you'll like this chris they so they're

trainer had a wooden leg. And I'm not making this up, right? There's laws against this. You're fucking pirates. Yeah. Their trainer had a wooden leg. And so they decided, well, he's the one who should clear the rattlesnakes because he has a, he has a 50% better chance of not getting bitten than the rest of us.

Guys walking around. He's with his wooden leg and he's got like six rattlesnakes. Hanging off of it. Yeah. Sucked to the, their teeth. Hey, can somebody help me pull these wild snakes out of my leg, man? We can make some boots out of them or a football, maybe. Take that leg and just throw it in the woods with the snakes, man.

Get a new leg. That's wild, man. We were talking before the show in the pre-show about how, you know, I grew up with the Oilers, and I kind of thought they were cool. And there was the Dallas Cowboys, of course. I think that was there, or shortly before the era of Staubuck and Roger Starbuck and everybody. And you were talking about how there was a lot that kind of, a lot of these Texas teams that kind of moved out and around the country. And so it kind of took a while for things to settle there in Texas with maybe, I guess, the Cowboys.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that's part of the incredible part of this story is that there's the NFL's first attempt went bankrupt. In Texas, I mean, it's, you just don't think of Texas as being a place that wouldn't support an NFL team. But you've got the Texans were first in 1952, then the Cowboys, then the AFL, Kansas, the team that would become the Kansas City Chiefs, they were the Texans, but they were red and white. And then the cowboys come in. And then, I mean, the other thing is, I think it seems like every professional sports team in Texas has been named the Texans. there was like a hockey team, a lacrosse team, an arena league football team. So there's a lot of confusion, but this team was the first and this team was the worst.

The first and the worst. Yeah. I think that's how my girlfriend's described me. The, uh, but they always remember me. Anyway, uh, the first and the worst. I mean, if you're going to, I mean, if you're going to be the first, you've got to be memorable. So either smack out of the park or whatever. So when do the Cowboys finally give up Jerry Jones and go decide to be a real team somewhere?

Is that going to happen anytime soon, you think? Man, not in our lifetime. I mean, you know what, this, so I think they have a 1% chance of making the playoffs, right? And so they're basically out, which means the Cowboys have gone 30 years without a significant win. That's incredible. Wow. And they've basically proven that there's no, there's no financial incentive to win in the NFL because they just keep,

they just keep making more, more money, even though they're terrible. The product is terrible. I may remember when the Cowboys built that beautiful stadium that was top of line, top of line technology, and they're still losing.

And the Raiders are the same way. You know, we've built, I don't know if it's the best technological, you know, thing. And it's designed with all these suites. I remember when the Cowboys really brought that sweet game, the sweets game to, you know, the stadium where, you know, these corporations, they can buy these big stupid suites that are opulent.

And I think the Raiders thing is worse. Like I've seen some of the suites in there. I'm just like, holy Christ, it's a mansion in here. Isn't one of them there's a, there's, it's not a sweet, but I think the end zone, it's actually like a nightclub. You can, it's like a full-on nightclub. Something like that. So because nobody wants to watch the Raiders, unfortunately.

It's vague. Yeah, I mean, you got to go get drunk and, I don't know, chase some chicks around a table if you're watching a Raiders game. The thing I love about Raiders is they employ the Dallas Texans thing, be first in the worst and do it in the first quarter. Like, I love how my Raiders, they just get the whole season over in the first two or three games. And so I don't have to watch football all you're long. and hide the knives every Sunday. I can just watch the first few games

be like, okay, still the Raiders, and we're consistent as fuck. Yep, yeah. So, yeah, we get out early. You don't have to sit there, you're not sitting there with the Raiders, like on week seven or eight

going, they could make it. You're just like, no, no, it was it was like four to, it was like two, one to four in the, first four games. So it's, yeah, you know, I didn't realize, Chris, I appreciate talking to you because I didn't realize, my God, we should be selling this book to Raiders fans because it will make them feel better. Browns, bills. Right. Because this team, yeah, they were, I think they started 0 and 9. They were last in every category. And then the players just started partying. I mean,

they went on a bender, a month-long bender that would make Jimmy Johnson, Cowboys blush. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot when Jerry Jones when Jerry Jones started interfering with the football coach you just mentioned I think it was for the Cowboys. And that was like the end of it.

They had a great thing going on. And Jerry Jones was like, I'll run this team and be kind of the head coach and put my all over in it. That mucked it up. And 30 years later, I guess here we are. 30 years later, they're still waiting for, haven't even made a championship game.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's that sort of, oh, the ego in professional sports. It ruins everything, I think. The Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Houston, Sexons, Jacksonville, Jaguars have never reached the Super Bowl, Arizona Cardinals are never won, Falcons, Bills, Panthers, Bengals, Los Angeles Chargers, Vikings. Wait, I think, I thought Vikings were, maybe they didn't win one with Farr.

I thought they, I thought they, no, no, no. He remember they were, oh my God, they lost. He threw that terrible intersection in New Orleans. Insane's, yeah, yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I was like, yeah, that's over. Tennessee Titans, yeah, it's brutal. It's brutally hard to, that's basically 12 teams

that have never won the Super Bowl. yeah the more you talk to teams that actually get there you they realize that's why the players get so emotional is it's like a million things have to go perfectly for for a team not just to be good enough but to sort of like avoid injuries or like get the breaks or the fumbles at the right time and it's it really is I think there's so much parity in the NFL that it really is it's like it's like a game of survivor for whoever ends up winning the Lombardi yeah well the You know, the Saints learned that on their three-peat attempt with the Eagles last year. They thought they were good enough. They didn't have to pay off the refs that year. And so they found out what that's about. You've got to make sure that cash finds its way, right? To the refusies there, man.

You just look wrong at the Chiefs, and they throw a flag at you and inject you from the game. Yeah, yeah. Aggressive looking at Mahon. You're for sure, for sure. And, yeah, and it's so funny. Bobby Lane is a, he's an all-pro quarterback from the era of the book. And he dealt with, I mean, there were no, you could do whatever you wanted to, to quarterbacks. And Art Donovan, who played for the Texans, sacked him.

And they were face-mask to face mask. And Art was like, oh, my God, Bobby, you smell like the bottom of a wine bottle. He's like, you must have really partied last night. And Bobby Lane goes, no, no, no, I. I was drinking at half time. Isn't there stories of, I don't want Joe Nima doing Coke on the sidelines or anything? He just wore the disco coat look like he'd been doing coke all day.

I would not put that past Joe Namath. I think he played and eerie. I don't know. Yeah. And the, I mean, the drug of choice was it was alcohol of the players, everybody smoked,

and then greenies. They all took greenies. they all took amphetamines like gumballs so basically they were like in in the world war two the the europe the the british pilots were doing that they were taking amphetamines to keep them up so they could keep bombing and fighting right yeah that's crazy man i think we should bring that back dude wouldn't that make the game just so that's chris that's a great you just solved the NFL's problems like one week a year this is gino smith's problem he needs to get jacked up We go back to the 1950s rules.

Yeah, come on. One game a year, we go back to the 1950s. Come on. It's Las Vegas Raiders, man. That's the town of Hookers and Blow. Let's go. The Raiders just aren't embracing their Vegas identity hard enough. You're right.

Identity, too. You've solved it. You've solved the Raiders. You've solved it. Yeah. I mean, they were in Oakland for a long time, so they had hookers and crack. Yeah. I don't know what that means.

Now I'm going to get. Now I'm going to get calls from attorneys in Oakland. It's a great city, folks. Just take an armored truck. No, I've been to Raiders games in Oakland. Me too. That's like being on a prison yard, man. I mean, honestly, you're not exaggerating.

The walk to the stadium is you're taking your life into your hands. Oh, yeah. That's the final walk of death. And I mean, and we went on San Francisco 49ers Day. oh I mean there were more fights I think there was 10 fights going on around us at one point and at one point we're sitting in this in the bleachers up here we're up and kind of half the nosebleeds and and we're at an angle that's the you can't see the point I'm making folks that you're listening but we're at an angle

downward because we're on the upper risers and this guy flies over our heads head first now think about you know it's one thing to throw a guy on a level playing field head first because you know you just pick him up you just swing right this is throwing a guy on a downward plane two or three rows down and yeah they flung him and uh it was the most the same thing ever like they just had cops but anyway yeah i mean i think the raiders are just trying to become your next book oh it's a great idea what's the team that's more violent, worse, and drug-addled and problematic. I mean, a big mess in Vegas, it's kind of the perfect sequel to a big mess in Vegas.

Yeah, yeah, a big, sloppy mess in Vegas. So Chris, was the guy, the guy who flew over you, was that a 49ers fan? Like, could you tell? I'm not sure. Okay. It probably was because most of the, most of the Raiders fans, like there was, I remember there was this giant, tall dude. And I had nachos and a drink.

And I was just walking around there just, just, I'm like, what do you do in a prison yard? You don't stare, right? You look or you don't look at people in the eye. Is that how it works? Yep, no eye contact. And he was this big tall man, and he came up to me. He goes, he was them, them nachos good. And I was like, yes, sir.

I don't hurt you want my nachos? I was like in that mindset. He just kept walking. He probably got a good laugh off it. And I was just, and I'm a big guy. I'm six, too. And he was towering over me. And he just,

he looked like he could just, uh, break me in half and shove me into one of those trash cans and take my nachos. And I was just like, I was like a surfeo not just at one point. I wasn't sure if I should put my raider shirt on or declare that I was on either side. Just stayed neutral. I'll tell you a great story about Oakland.

I was covering that team. And here's what's funny is. you know, you would have to finish your story or your report, and everybody knew the longer you waited, the more dangerous it got to walk back to your car. So you've never seen people write so fast in your entire life. But I had gone down to the Raiders. I think they had actually won the game.

I went down to the Raiders locker room. And I got a second alone with Gruden. And I thought he would be celebrating. And I was like, you, John, you look like you're upset. And he was like, I got to get the hell out of here. He was like, I can't, I can't stand this team anymore. I got to get the hell out of here. And then first I thought he meant like me, I got to get the hell out of the stadium.

And I was like, are you, what, you got something going on? He's like, no, no, I need to get out of this, this whole franchise. So he got out. He did. Yep. What a deal. I remember, I remember when they were hired him. And they just done a few years before that stupid thing where they got the number one pick guy and paid him all that money.

That's stupid money. Oh, my God. Marcus Russell? Is that? Marcus Russell, yeah. And all he would do is walk up and down and tell his teammates how he had rolls Royces and show him his rings and shit and, you know, just phone it in. And I mean, what a shit show.

And then I'm like, okay, don't do that big money thing anymore. And they just give Gruden like, what was it, 10 years? Like, who gives a coach in the NFL a 10-year contract for Christ's sake? Yeah, yeah. and the keys to the franchise i yep and they he's still getting paid he's got like a podcast and shit that he just does and he he's being like three or four coaches right now that we fired at the same time well and then i mean and now you've got uh even tom brady can't figure out the raiders so yeah he's just like i don't know what to do here man this is kind of embarrassing

I can't save these fuckers. I don't know. It's the owners. Anyway, so, so what do you, what do you hope people gain from this book is they read it? What are you, what are you,

maybe a movie we can get out of this or a mini series, maybe? Oh, for sure. I think this is definitely going to be, somebody's going to pick it up as a movie because it's so, it's one of those books. It makes a great Christmas gift,

I'll have to say, but it's, it's one of those books where, If you have a friend or a dad or an uncle who thinks they know everything about the NFL, just hand them this book and go, you don't know anything about the way it used to be in the good old days. Wait, they had bombings by the Ku Klux Klan? Oh, yeah. So the Texans' two best players were black. And remember, I mean, the Texas Longhorns didn't integrate their roster until 1967.

So the Texans were 15 years ahead of the time. And those players weren't allowed to live with the rest of their teammates. They had to live in a part of South Dallas that there were a string of 12 house bombings by the KKK that, of course, went unsolved. And that's what those players had to endure in Dallas. As if, you know, not getting leveled in the football field, there's pretty much no rules back then. You can't sack the shit out of a quarterback. I mean, you and I, I mean, you've, you've, you've covered it for 30 years with the NFL. I mean, we've, we've seen some ugly ass quarterback hits that you're just like, that guy's

head's still attached. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah. And then I think for me is you watch the current thing and you see guys get hit and you know that if they get brain damage or if they're incapacitated, the NFL's not taking care of those guys. They're throwing them to the curb.

it makes it hard to watch at times there's been a couple instances lately i don't i think in the last year that they're pulling that soccer thing that the guys doing soccer where they you look in them wrong or you bump them and they they do the flop over like oh oh i got hit and they just you know they barely scrape by somebody and they they're trying to drag a penalty have you seen that so i thought somebody did that recently i don't know yeah it's i mean it's seems a little hypocritical that it's like these guys are getting brain damage but but somebody yeah somebody taunting is too too offensive i didn't somebody fall down around the chiefs or something and they they just brushed them or something or bumped them and and they fell over and flopped and

doesn't that happen every game with mohomes i have it probably does i don't know i don't watch any chiefs games except for i can't even fairly stand watching any of them and then i think they get special allowance because of who's the gal that one guy's Kelsey's Dayton Taylor Swift. Yeah, Taylor Swift. Yeah. I think they call it the Taylor Swift penalty. I don't know what that means.

Oh, the NFL absolutely protects their superstars. It's a business. It's a business. You can't have these guys getting hurt, but too bad. Toors ACL and yeah, I don't know. They're in my conference. I have to hate

the I thought about switching teams to the to the chiefs because I went more than my guys I knew I knew when Chris and I were talking and he was like God I hate the chiefs I'm like oh you really are a Raiders fan yeah you really are you know I swear to God I I saw hope in the mirror I think we'd hired that one guy that number one draft but I remember having hope that we were going to finally come back and then they move Manning to they moved Manning to the Broncos indoor conference and I was

like dude I it was so hard to stay with the raiders after that I was just I know but you know you don't want to do what I did which was I finally had had enough with the lions and I'm like I can't take it anymore I just I can't do it and I mean I think it had been 50 years and or maybe closer to 75 years

and then of course the year after I do that they they're one play away from the Super Bowl. And I kind of love Dan Campbell, too, their coaches. He's awesome. I mean, everyone grows up cheering for their lines because they were one of the few teams who were playing on Thanksgiving, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It was a good game. So as we go out, give people final pitch out to pick up the book, wherever people can find it in dot-coms and all that good stuff, David. Yeah, it's really wherever books are sold. It's in every bookstore. You can find it at Amazon. the hard covers out now, but the audio book and the e-book are available. Yeah, pick it up for the history buff or the NFL fan

or just somebody who loves a great, crazy, colorful yarn. They will love this book. Appreciate it. Maybe you should bring them back. Well, they already is a Dallas Texan, so we'd have to call them 2.0 or something like that. You know, I will tell you, the Cowboys stole that this team's, their uniforms and their color palette.

So at some point, the Cowboys should do a throwback jersey of the Dallas Texans. That would be awesome. And then everyone can just get drunk. I love the strip poker with groupies and even a future Hall of Fame coach stealing a cab. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The team, one of the reasons why the team got so many good players is that the players all lived in an apartment building that was across the street from the American Airlines flight attendant. training school. So players

were eager to come play for the Texans so that they could be close to all the all the flight attendants. Wow. That sounds like the 50s. What a time. All right. Well, thank you very much for coming to show. David. We really appreciate it. Chris, thanks again, and I'll be back

the next time I have a book out. I'm looking for your next book. The second worst team in the NFL, Raiders. The big mess in Vegas. I know, the big mess. I mean, maybe you should do a book where you argue that, I don't know, the four or five teams that haven't ever made at the Super Bowl, you try and figure out who is the worst team of all.

I like that. That might be, you know, and you could just profile like five or six teams or eight teams or something and drill it down and then present your evidence. Boy, you'd have some people arguing and fighting over that book. I'm afraid that episode would make you cry, Chris.

Probably. It might be the Raiders. It might be the Raiders. I mean, at least we got some Super Bowls there in the 70s. 80s or 90s or we tried in the 90s and things the it's really weird to be having Brady helping us I mean every time I see his face I want to start punching it I would never do that folks but you know just in my head and and then and then I'm like oh wait he's with us don't don't

hurt him don't yeah we need yeah it's a hard thing to figure out to reconcile Tom Brady helping the Raiders I don't think so he took away the last Super Bowl that I know bullshit I know I'm forever, that's why I'm forever angry with him, but then I have to love him. It's a weird, it's like a marriage at this point. Anyway, it's a love-hate relationship. It's dysfunctional. You need help. Get help, Chris.

It's very dysfunctional. But I don't know. Maybe we can get Giselle to come coaches. It might be in a, I'm not blaming Brady for it, man. It just sounded funny in my head. I mean, at this point, could it be, could it get worse? No. Yeah, good point.

Good point. I mean, we might as to just have Giselle's, the guy she cheated with the yoga instructor come to coach the team at this point, being given the ownership. I just think we need to get a guy who owns that team who can cut his hair properly. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. That's, yeah.

Yeah. If you, if you, yeah, those, I can't even. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if you can't fix your own hair, how can you run a billion dollar football franchise? Have you seen the, have you seen his girlfriend? I'm sure that's true love. I'm sure it's true love. Of course it is, yeah.

It always makes me just believe in the faith. As long as you have money, you'll have love. You know, I saw a quote where he said, oh, she didn't know I owned the Raiders when we, yeah, I was like, sure, sure, yeah, sure. Anyway, yeah, and that's why we lose folks. Anyway, guys, it's, we at least have a beautiful stadium, and I love Las Vegas.

Yeah, that's true. We got that going for us. So just hookers and blow. Yeah. Anyway, so thank you very much for coming in the show. Folks, order of the book where refined books are sold. A big mess in Texas. The Miraculous, disastrous, 1952, Dallas Texans,

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