The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – A Soul Spoke to Me: A Soul’s Guide to Navigate Purpose by Mark Haddad

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

A Soul Spoke to Me: A Soul's Guide to Navigate Purpose by Mark Haddad Amazon.com Markhaddadauthor.com Learn what your soul wants, and how it guides your ambitions, content, and even your complacency. We all judge, but do you know why? Being human has limitations, but you can learn how to make them strengths. Painting a picture of a soul’s desire will be challenging because all we have known since birth is the human perspective. We will need to think of two perspectives, combining what we think and what we feel together as one. It is possible to share this beautiful way of looking at human life, and it just takes a path to get you to see from the right vantage point.

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to the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Hey guys, we have an amazing young man on the show today. We're talking about his insights, but in the meantime, guilt, shame, you know, don't kidnap anybody, but maybe it holds some people. Hoss don't do that. Just refer people to go to the show, go to good reset, calm, for chest, Chris, Foss, LinkedIn.com, for chest, Chris, Foss, Chris Foss, one on the tick tock and yells crazy

place on the internet. Uh, today we will be featuring a wonderful gentleman marketed on the show. His book came out January 28th, 2025. That's two days after my birthday. Of course, I wasn't born in 2025. I like to think I was, that'd be nice. But then I'd probably just be making goo-goo-ga-ga sounds on the mic, which is probably not unlike their 16 prior years. His book is entitled, how many segues can you do there, Chris? His book is entitled, A Soul Spoke to Me, A Soul's Guide to Navigate Purpose. We're going to get into it with him, his insights, how you can maybe improve your soul. Those of you who have some left, I sold mine for this show.

Mark is the author of A Soul Spoke to Me. He's a former military armor army, army veteran. We were joking about the show. I can pronounce C8, army veteran. We're joking about the show. I can pronounce C eight, pronunciation. Earlier as a private military contractor for the department of defense, the department of state, and currently an expert in AI and quantum computing, whose mission isn't just to help you negotiate deals, but to help you negotiate your inner world.

He's a lived trauma face isolation and now guides people to reclaim their essence when everything shakes Itself to their core. He survived trauma and isolate. Oh, he's been married. Anyway, I welcome the show. How are you mark? I'm doing great, man. I appreciate that intro that flip, you know, I don't even know how to respond I I usually have like a lot of responses and It's kind of like no can't say like, no, can't say that. Can't definitely can't say that I'm going to get fired if I say that. So that happens in an instant, but I, you got me here. Yeah.

Well, you know, that's, that's why I throw myself in front of the bus. So you don't have to, uh, they, they all write to me anyway. Uh, so Mark, give us.com is where can people find you on the interwebs? Yeah. So, uh, I have a website market author.com, but I'm you know most active on my Instagram Spot market author one and so you can find me there interact with me there and I'm very Interactable right so you know I do we do

Exchange and and help people so feel free to, I, I do, we do, uh, exchange and, and help people. So feel free to chime in. So I do appreciate that intro. There you go. So give us a 30,000 over you. What's in your new book. Yeah. So, um, you know, most people are stuck, right? And, um, a lot of them know they're stuck. A lot of them have different symptoms of being stuck, but usually they're stuck in negotiations that they don't even realize. And the toughest ones are happening inside them. So we're taught to master the mind and we're pushed to strengthen the body.

But when both of those things hit the limit, it's really the soul that steps in. So we see it in combat, following combat. You feel it in sports, I play semi pro, definitely not pro. But when you're running on fumes and you still have to push forward, that's not strategy. That's the soul leading the charge, right? But here's the issue. We're never really taught how to understand the soul and what it means. We have this ethereal mindset around it or religious or spiritual or you know whatever it may be but we're given mental health tips, physical training routines but not so much about why we're even here and that's why I wrote a soul spoke to me

to help people make sense of that silent part inside the part of the body, the part that already knows the way, we, you know, if we just listen, because here's the thing, the soul isn't shallow, or else we would all have these epiphanies all the time, right? It broadcasts like a radio frequency. It's always there. Most people don't even know it's out there, but we recognize it in different ways, friction in decisions or easy decisions, things like that. And even when they do, they don't know how to tune it in. So that's where I come in. I help people find that dial, cut through the noise and try to lock in that clear signal that they've never heard of. And that's the voice of their soul, like, what are they, what are they hearing? And so the book is really a story of a number of different instances that we all live through

our lives, whether it's sports or divorce, or I don't feel like I'm, you know, interested in my job anymore, things like that, that that's really different things that are going on inside of so I want to, you know, what's I want to help with that connection. And so everything changed. You stop chasing the wrong things. You stop getting stuck in mental loops. And then you start living from purpose and that and not pressure.

So that matters in every arena, like veterans trying to find peace after combat, entrepreneurs and leaders scaling without losing themselves, and even elite athletes, right? Those who have mastered the body but know something deeper, so they don't need more tactics. They need alignment. So, and like you said, sometimes it's not taking like the red pill, right? It's about realizing you already did. Like Chris, I'm curious, based on all the high performers, right, and change makers that you've interviewed, do you feel like more people are starting to recognize that full level clarity might be the missing piece? I think people, yeah, they're noticing what you talk about the internal I think people, yeah, they're noticing what you talk about the internal battle, the internal struggle within, you know, I think for a long time we chased external things. I think COVID kind of woke people up to that a little bit. I know it did for me, you know, I was chasing

money in cars and I still chase money in cars and in wild women in Las Vegas, because you know, I live in Las Vegas. What else would there be to go? wild women in Las Vegas, because, you know, I live in Las Vegas. But, is there anything else? Anyway, and so I did that. And then when COVID came, you know, I, you know, I'm a single guy, I don't have kids. I couldn't afford kids. I couldn't afford divorces. I've saved up a few million for my first divorce, but I don't think I have enough yet. And once I do that, I'll get married. But, so my family is like my mother and my sister, and that's it. And they're both not doing well health-wise. And so, you know, I kind of realized that, you know, all those things that I was chasing didn't And so, you know, I kind of realized that, you know, all

those things that I was chasing didn't mean much, you know, and then a lot of my friends during COVID too, like you didn't know who was going to get taken out of at the very first it was running rampant. You know, they were filling refrigerator trucks with bodies. And so it just, you know, I had an epiphany, I think a lot of people did about that time that, you know, our personal relationships and the people in our lives are more important than all this bullshit we're always chasing. And, you know, who cares about the latest car, you know, your loved one is gone tomorrow, and especially you don't get to say goodbye. And so, yeah, I think there's a lot of books now that have come out since COVID that are more about that internal conversation and speaking

to what's going on inside me. Yeah, you know, you said a lot of really good things there. I think it's almost like you read the last chapter of the book. So I'm going to give you a little bit of context around that. It was really hard to kind of put this together because there's a lot of stories of how we live our lives that really allude to the fact that there is a sole purpose, not one, but the soul's purpose, and then there's a human purpose. And take any religious track or spirituality when we believe the soul goes on somewhere else. It doesn't matter. You can believe whatever system you want afterwards, but we tend to think that this isn't everything. The soul comes into the body, we have this experience. At the end of the book, I go through what those experiences are to prove

the point that we even talk about. Take for instance, right? I coach a little pop water league football right now. I coach semi-pro. I played and you know, there are a lot of sayings that we have in sports that talk about that is beyond the body and beyond the mind. And there's a reason why this is important. Right? So you have a really bad first half, you're in here in half time. It isn't a, you know, you need to push harder. It's you need to dig deep. You need to what? You know, you need to play with all heart. How do you do that?

You know, you got to leave it all in the field. Who wants it more? You know, all these days that we have from these coaches that are screaming these saying in your face, you know, again, with the play with all hearts and what the hell is that? Pushed it, you know, and And you know, the people that win the game, what do they say? They wanted it more. It's like, yeah, one more. I wanted it too. What are you talking about? Right. So you got to, you got to learn that there's three parts to your existence. I call the BMS, the body, mind, soul, and there's a connection

between the three. I know it's kind of obvious, but the reason why this is portrayed the way that I'm putting it in the book is that there is actually an efficiency of function of the three together, right? Your body scientifically is a sensory receiver. There's a radio receiver. If you look at a fire, a campfire, you see the flames, If you look at a fire, a campfire, you see the flames. That's a certain frequency of energy in our optical receptor. You hear it, you feel it with your hands, the heat, et cetera. And as the flame goes up, it changes colors from blue to yellow, to red, to nothing. And then you think the fire is gone, but it's not. This is a change form.

You can feel the heat, right? It's just a different sensory organ in your body. It's picking up. Right? So energy is all around us. It's not the California hippie. No, everything's energy man, energy man. So could do be it's not how true that is scientifically right. And so when you get into quantum mechanics, and like I had to take take some advanced courses in quantum theory

because of the whole quantum computing part of what I do. And man, I tell you what, it blows your mind around what is reality. And simply put, the the body just senses things and it reacts. It reacts with chemistry, which we call emotion. And that emotion is translated by the mind. And this bowl is kind of like Julius Deezer, whoever like at the gladiators, they either say, you know, I like it or I don't,

or you know, it's this thing. It's this motion of I like, or I don't like this. And that's really what the soul is striving for. It's certain experiences that elicit emotions. Think about it. Why do we only remember things really well when there's an emotion tied to it? More importantly, we tend to really remember things that are negatively impacting more so than positively. So if you have more things, the same emotional level, the negative you remember

more often, you have to have someone that's really good to remember that. But that was remembered. The the part that the reason why we talk about the connection is that that BMS, the efficiency across the three is really the cards that you were given to when we became you. Some of us are very efficient. You don't need very much to be happy while us morons have to keep pushing hard, getting the degrees, you know, hustling, driving, making money. And we're just like, we need more, you know, and so I break down these categories of where we fit in. It's not one better than the other. And I'll tell you what,

you think one's better than the other, but at the end, you realize that it's actually the reverse. So imagine when you're in high school and you're graduating, did you ever judge people based on what they were going to go do after graduation? I still do that now. I see people that I would die school with that. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. We judged, we judged intelligence.

We tried to judge. Yeah. And we judged, we judged intelligence. We judged. Yeah. Parents didn't want you to, you know, be with someone that, you know, wasn't as ambitious and you were going to be great. Yeah. So you have a lot waiting for me to, they're still waiting for me to succeed. I know, right? Me too. I mean, I went to military because I thought, I thought I'd just, I still disappoint them. That's the drive we all need my friend. To disappoint your parents.

It is, man. Go ahead. I'm sorry. We thought that the people that weren't going after the big degrees and do big things, we thought they were the less ambitious. Maybe they couldn't do this. And when you think about it now, they don't care about all the same things like I care about, right? They don't care about millions of dollars and the new car and the promotion and school. They don't care about that. They care about going to work, coming back, having a beer, having dinner, watching the game, and they're happy. Yeah. Right.

So they're happier. I mean, of course, we all have problems, right? Whatever it is, we always have problems, but how come they're happier than the rest of the groups? Because they're efficient. they have the most efficient body, resect receivers and chemistry, the mind that translates that and the soul that accepts it. It's the most efficient. They don't do very much to feel the happiness that we all strive for throughout life. And then the older you get, like when you get closer to the end,

you know, how many times you heard this family that are talking about life, that stuff doesn't matter. It's the family that matters. And I miss they think of the memories, they think of the family, they think of they never think of anything else, they don't talk about their cars and their houses. They think about the time with their kids. And so, we learn that that really, that emotion is really the most important to them. Pete Slauson Oh. So, tell us about your life. You went through some journeys and different trials and tribulations, I'm sure. When was the time you first kind of had this epiphany in that life

where your soul spoke to you and you identified that first identified that. The first time this happened, I was in Africa, I was a military contractor for a contracting company that worked for the Department of State and that's like a whole bunch of agencies in the DOS, right? And so we're in Africa in a landlocked country, Burundi, trying to train the good guys to go to Somalia and fight against Al-Shabaab, meanwhile squelching the uprisings of the upcoming elections.

And this was more than 10 years ago. And so something bad happened in the Congo, and we had to go up there to see how things were. Obviously, it was too late when we got up there. And at that point, I lost a little bit. I was, you know, I wanted to go after the bad guys. But we weren't equipped to do that. We need to know how big they were, right? But they left with young children that died. And so when I got back,

I was wondering, what am I doing? I've been doing the contracting thing on and off for about four years, three and a half years. And I was thinking, what am I doing here? Every time you take out someone bad, it's to come back up. And you leave that night, who knows what's gonna happen the next day? You're not there. So, coming out of the military, in certain units, you have this little guy,

your version of you on your shoulders, talking know, why are you doing these things? It's not, that's not big enough, right? That's not what we did enough. That's not, you know, whatever that whatever you have an issue with. And that's one of the sabotage that happens throughout your life post-military is that nothing's good enough and you keep driving and it's real because you're sabotaging yourself plenty of times around just everyday things that should bring you joy but you just don't get it because you don't do it because it's not good enough that's not circle but when i was out there i was thinking about what i'm responsible for and i was like oh my two kids i had a one-year-old and then a five-year-old back home and i was thinking about it. I was like they don't know

They don't care. They just care that dad. They're just asking dad's not here. Why isn't dad here? Where's that? That's all they know about you know what I mean? Like that's it So at that point I said, you know My job Is to curate their experience, right? Teaching the right things, bring them up, put them in the best position of whatever it may be. And that's really what I'm supposed to do.

So I, you know, I did one more contract and then, um, after that I just came home and that was it. So it was just, where, where was it. So, I got married and just started. Pete Where was the moment of clarity that happened for you with the title of the book that you were like, you were like, okay, this is, you know, this is a soul talking to me. And how do you define soul? We should probably lay some foundations on some of this. Jared Yeah, that's awesome.

You know, I kind of talk about that in the first chapter too, because there's a lot of ambiguity out there, different versions of what it is. I think of, so the soul can be any, any spiritual, any essence that comes in that's running our body. Right? It could, I look at soul and spirit as the same thing. Okay. When people talk about consciousness though, I think from what I've connected with in terms of the souls that have, you know, kind of connected with me and I get these answers that I'm just kind of, how the hell is this even real? But consciousness is not a thing. You know, things don't have consciousness.

It is a state of being when a soul is inside a living being. Because if you think about it, why does the soul even come into a body of dependence? Why do you think? I have no idea if I knew that I'd probably weaver some money or be a preacher. Think about it's like, you know, most religions have the same thread that the body's a vessel of soul codes and soul leaves, you know, whatever you think afterwards, that's the, you know, the thing that you believe in. But I'm not part of why does it even come in? It's like, what does a soul have that a body has? Well, the body, but why? Why is that important? And that's because the body has the chemistry, it has the ability to have

an experience. That's why if you think about, speaking, the space time construct or that where you have space and time, scientifically they're kind of melted together. It's this like thing that we're operating in. We cannot control either one of them, but we're in it. And that's kind of dimensionally purposely created. So time just doesn't, it's not just there just by happen chance. Time is here so that we can have an experience, so that there can be more life, right? The soul comes into the body to have an experience.

The only way you can have an experience is if you have time, right? You can't think about going to see a movie, being excited about the movie. Then you get to the movie, you're watching the movie, you're excited about the movie, and then you leave and you're kind of like, you love it or you hate it, but that's after. So all these instances have to do with time, and you can do that with everything, right? So you cannot be excited about the movie coming unless there's time because that's the emotion you're kind of getting before the movie. So if you apply that to almost every experience in life,

you come to the realization that, wow, that's what the soul is looking for. Imagine if you're watching the same movie over and over and over again, you kind of you lose interest. It's not that you know, right? Because you don't get the emotions anymore. You don't have the shock. You don't have that everything else with the emotion, because you know everything so full outside of the body operate in a timeless area, because they're sort of outside this construct. Right. And so when they come into the body, you know, now you have now you're in this playing field, you know, you're in the field you know, now you have, now you're in this playing feeling,

you know, you're in the field of play sort of sphere and you're able to have this experience through life. And then, you know, so I believe that the full outside of the body doesn't have the same emotion, which is why I love coming in. It's probably cheaper to do so much. So talk to us about some of the offerings that you do on your website. I think you do some coaching or some consulting. Let's get that in here.

Yeah. So the coaching, you know, when we start breaking this thing down, you get to a little bit of a dangerous area. I've experienced it myself. Carl Jung talks about it where once you sort of know a little bit about what this is all about, sometimes some people lose a little bit of ambition. You lose a little kind of like,

what am I doing with this thing? Now that I know what it's about, why does it even matter anymore? And you kind of go through this mode, but that's not really losing ambition. It's real life because then sort of come to the point of saying, oh, well, I'm here to do this thing in this body. And now I've got to understand how to take care of my my equipment.

You got to take care of your car, right? Yeah. Yeah. You got to know where the lights are, you know, what the warning signs are, how to change the oil, the gas, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or you take it to know what the lights are, you know, what the warning signs are, how to change the oil, the gas, blah, blah, blah, blah, or you take it to a mechanic that helps you do that. Right. So you have to take care of your body like an equipment. You got to take care of your mind like equipment and you got to know that the soul's driving

this as well. Right. Now, once you have that line, you start thinking about, okay, what should I be doing? When people are in jobs where they feel drained and they're not passionate about it anymore, there could be a few reasons why that's happening. Doesn't always mean you need to throw out the baby with the bath water. Sometimes you're just like missing a little bit

of chemistry that's being not created by what you're doing now because you last level excitement. But how do you cross that gap versus throwing everything away and open up a flower shop somewhere? Right. Yeah. So I help, right now I help sections.

So the shout out to Jesse over at the VA where I go in and I talk to the vets around the very same thing, right? They have to, you got to get an understanding your chemistry and how that plays a part in with the VA where I go in and I talk to the vets around the very same thing. Right. They have to, you got to get an understanding your chemistry and how that plays a part in your actions. Right. And the strength that you had before and sort of like, how do you use that now? So I talk about that and kind of help them through certain things there.

But the other groups that I work with are entrepreneurs. So business leaders that are looking really to get to that next level and they don't know how to catapult themselves over to whatever that is. So there's that. And then high performing athletes. So any high performing person, right? But athletes is a particular group that I remember playing with all heart. It's like, you just got to get used to playing tired, man. You got to get used to playing to all heart. It's like you just got to get used to playing tired, man. You got to get used to playing to the point. It's like if you don't get to the point where you're saying,

my body's giving up, I think I just got to quit. If you didn't get to that point, you don't need me. It's when you get to that point because you haven't really got to the point where you give it all up. It's like Special Forces selection. You're at that point day three. You're kind of what in day three, you're kind of what in the hell is going on? Day one at four o'clock in the morning, you're in the pit

doing a lot of exercises and people are just throwing up over themselves and you lose, you hallucinate and you lose your idea of why you're there unless you have a purpose. Right? So you have to exhaust yourself. You got to get to the point your body's done, your mind is done. And now you're like, all right, how do I get over this thing? And that's where, where I helped them get to that point. Yeah, I've read it where we've had authors on the show. And then of course, I've read a lot of books of guys who've done hell week with the Navy SEALs and Boy, you want to talk about something that'll break your body and mind spirit and and and and a lot of people quit and ring the bell and

But you know, that's probably one of those moments where your soul's got to take over You know, it's funny I had this group of four guys that we sort of teamed up and, uh, cause you have different weeks, right? You got an individual week, then you got team week, and then you got PT kind of smoking week where you just, just do a lot. You mean you get to the point where you're doing the psych tests at night just to keep you awake and you start, you start answering math questions in format. And then I remember I like almost dozed off, but I looked at my paperwork and it said something,

something baloney sandwich. Like I was dreaming about a baloney sandwich. They're pretty good if you're frying. Yeah. I grew up on that one. That was a staple. Yeah. Right below that.

So, you know, you have to have the frame of mind that something else is driving you beyond the mind, beyond the body. Once you understand that now you're almost a puppet of yourself. You know, you're the guy holding your soul, the guy holding you. And now you understand how to feed you. Right. I think, right. how to feed you right. I think right. How to get beyond.

You're almost watching yourself in a 3D game and you see the stuff over in front of you. You know how to navigate around. That's why it's called navigating. So navigating the soul, the move, make a great title for a book to maybe your follow book has all the leftover, you know, the other left or something that the cutting roof floor could be that you talk about, you know, the other leftover stuff that the cutting room floor could be that, um, you talk about, you know, one of the things you're talking

about is that internal showdown, you know, I started going back, I started going to gym in my fifties. Let's just be honest. And I mean, I went to the gym before that, but I go for like two days and then I'd be like, I dunno. And then they pay for like three years of fucking gym membership bills. And, uh, but in my fifties, it got serious. I'm going to, I'm going to see what this going to the gym every damn day crap is all about and I'm tired of being tired. So, uh, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. I'm not going to take it anymore.

And so anyway, I started to realize that, and I, you know, I may have known this from a academic sort of standpoint, sitting back and looking at it, but I started realizing the gym really wasn't about working out your muscles. It was more about discipline. It was about the internal showdown that I had with myself in discipline, in being able to show up. And I started learning different tricks to, to deal with myself. So you know, sometimes your body's like, I don't want to go to the gym today.

I don't feel good. And I'd be like, you're going to the gym today. And so I would do a thing where I'd go, okay, we'll go to the gym. We'll sit in the recovery chairs, the zero gravity chairs. We'll loosen up and get the back straight. And then we'll just kind of do whatever. And so I would go in and sometimes I felt sick or I just felt in the weather, but I would go in and I would just be like, okay, we're going to the gym and I'd sit there.

So I'd either sit in the massage chairs, go in the sauna, or sometimes I just go and just sit. And then after a while, like just being at the gym, there's, I've created enough of a, uh, an anchor point where I start kicking into gear. And so I'll be like, okay, let, I know you feel like shit, but, and you want to leave now, you're screaming at me in my ear that you want to leave, but we're just going to do one machine and we'll take our time. And you know, like people, people online will be like, you do three hours at the

gym, Chris, and I'm like, sometimes, cause I'm just taking my time and I'm slowly eating the elephant one bite at a time. And so I've learned that, you know, okay, you do one set of reps. Okay. That was so bad. I feel a little bit better doing other set of reps, you know? And so sometimes just that discipline that, like you say, the internal showdown, that battle with yourself.

And to me, it's almost been more of a journey about developing my discipline better, developing my eternal commitment to myself, my word to myself. It has been more important than the muscles I've built there. I don't know if you have any thoughts you want to throw in that? Totally, man. In the military, we learned that you don't go to the gym when you have energy. You go to the gym when you want to create energy. Those endorphins eventually kick in for you.

You know what you are? You're a drug dealer to yourself. No, is that a good thing or a bad thing. I was thinking about it while you were talking about, I was like, you know, be a drug dealer to yourself in a good way. Right. And here, you ever hear those, you ever hear those Instagram videos where you had some like CEO standing up to give him talks or can do what your parents heard about? I think we have some on the show.

I'm like, what kind of bullshit is this? Stop fucking with people. Oh my God. You know, your five minutes of fame on Instagram is going to screw people up. Right. And you know, I don't want somebody to tell my kids and my family, my friends and everything. Oh, look, when you go to the gym and you start going there, you hate everything. You don't like any exercise.

You don't like looking at yourself in the mirror. You know, you don't. Right. So what you where you get benefit is when you start getting that one exercise where you just you just like notice that little vein pop out for the first time. The hernia vein or the, I got, I got the hernia. So yeah, try not to hernia anyone. But, um, you know, uh, once we start getting that one exercise that you,

you're killing it for some reason, you saw them in the, in the mirror, and you got to like shadow and you saw you saw like your muscle pop out or something. Now all of a sudden, you gotta rush the endorphins. You gotta rush the serotonin. You gotta rush on adrenaline, your cortisol drops. And a little bit of oxytocin comes out because you start falling in love with the action that's going on, right?

And next thing you know, you start doing that exercise more and more often. And that's what you're thinking about. That's what you talk to people about if you're if you go home, you'll talk to your kid, you're probably listening, right. And so my point is that you start liking what you do when you're good at it. And nothing happens like that out of nowhere. So these people are talking about, oh, do what you're passionate about.

Do something well enough, long enough, you're gonna be passionate about because you're really good at it. And you just gotta give it a shot. Passion stuff, like what they're talking about is called a hobby. Not many people would love to do their hobby as their job because then you gotta do what you don't want to. Right.

And so there's things that you're really good at that you can do and you get passionate about it. And you know, that's thinking, you know, it's your career, right? So pick something you're good at that you can do. It's my message to everyone out there. Right. Don't go full searching for someone you're passionate about. That might not be the thing.

Right. Though at the gym, I'll say this, be the drug dealer for yourself. They think in this perspective, right. Pull your soul out of you. You're over here looking at you. Right. Your soul is very sorry. You need to go to the gym. I need to give you a little bit of dopamine.

So you work at the gym. Now, in your mind, you already you already gave yourself a helpful hint. Just, just go. Yeah, that was a red ball. Yes. So you had to go on the Red Bull. You're there, you're hanging out and you look to do the one exercise you're really good at. Yeah. Even if it's, if it's like day, I hate like day now because I suck at it. But if it's like day, just do what everyone are good at. Do a couple of steps that you'll start

liking it. Like, okay, now I get to go. You just gave yourself the drugs. You gave yourself the right drugs in the right amount. So you just have to understand how to manipulate the body. The mind is a little bit in sort of a little bit steering it, but it's really your soul steering. Your mind's going to be the software that connects at all, but it's not going to know. It doesn't know you playing itself. I know it sounds not that smart because you're like, well, of course I know what I'm doing. I'm making myself go down. Of course it doesn't. It can't tell the difference. Once you give that drug, it doesn't know the difference. It has the feeling and then the feeling will drive you to do more.

And that's true in anything. That's why they say, you know, perfection is the antithesis of progress because people never get their asses off the ground. Hmm. And that's, that's really true. So, so be a drug dealer. Yeah. The other drug dealer is, the other drug dealer is, uh, you know, I'm a single guy. So when you go to the gym, there's a lot of beautiful women.

Usually they're working out and a boy that helps. Cause you're like, Hey, I gotta do this workout thing. So I can maybe get with one of these beautiful women. Hey, if I get some muscles on me, you know, they might be impressed. Maybe not, maybe I don't know, but I get a better shot than I do. Sit at home eating Cheetos in a beanbag chair naked. Like I do on weekends. Yeah.

I mean that, and you get the cheese on yourself and you get the cheetah dust all up in your buns. That's never, you know what? It's red dye, whatever that is no longer legal. So now you're just like a walking illegal person. Pretty much probably. Yeah. I can't keep up with this diet.

You're illegal anymore. My food. So I don't know. I just, so the body and go out in public. So you probably heard this. You heard that like a lot of women now are actually coming out saying they don't want guys that are jacked, which is now, you know, now upset because I did all this work and

I just got sitting around doing nothing. No, they say they don't want guys that are so self. I think that's for my masculinity podcast. So we shouldn't talk about that subject. That's what's, what's behind that. But so, so find your soul, find, find a, you know, and, oh, I guess one thing I do want to clarify is the soul, the same as your purpose or is your soul, find, you know, and I guess one thing I do want to clarify is the soul the same as your purpose or does your soul help you find your purpose or is purpose even

in there? So the soul purpose, I can help you a lot with what your soul really wants. We don't know what it is. Usually the people that are coming don't know what it is. Usually the people that are coming don't know what it is. People usually accidentally find it unless they're coming in with direction, but the angle of saying, look, this part really satisfies me. There's a lot of people that do things that satisfy them as a career for multiple purposes. They found that stuff. They may not exactly know how they did it. They may not know that they're there, but the impact and what they feel shows that they are there, right?

It's that there's a lot of other people that kind of get lost in all the social media stuff. Where am I going? Where's my purpose? They confused the human purpose with the sole purpose. There's two. Human purpose is kind of like what you're here for in your lifetime. And that could be anything. But you might like to go to the roller coaster on the spiral. And I don't in Vegas, right? That's just your soul liking it, liking the thrill, mind making up.

It's the same thing. I mean, like, why wouldn't we both like it? It creates chemistry, but that's because we're all individually different. So the cards you were dealt, the body you were dealt, you know, the chemistry in the body, the mechanisms, how you react to stimuli, all that stuff is different. And then the stuff is different. And then the software is different. Our minds translates things differently. You know, to go to the extreme, right? And one category that I have labeled is that the BMS is broken, is really a group like, for instance, where we say that their souls lost take for instance the FBI

files where they coined terms serial killer right back in the early 70s they were going through all that stuff there's actually a show on it on Netflix I think no there's a show for everything on Netflix though in that show right in the in what they did was that they were going right interviewing the serial killers, asking them basically why that's the second question and try to drill in the creative profile composite. And the one thing that's consistent throughout the entire thing is they felt everything was dull. Now how they felt everything was dull. Now, how they got there was different.

Some had massive trauma, you know, repeated trauma, really big trauma, or they're just their chemistry is just they just. The body's broke. It's like, you know, some people are born with deformities. They were born with a chemistry deformity in which prevents them to feel what what they to feel normal. Well, what we will think is normal, right? Society. So they have to figure out something to do that makes them feel alive. And unfortunately, was the thing. So if you hear what they talk about, everything was told until I did this thing and then

that did that thing and then that and the next thing you know, that's the thing that excites them, right? You may get excited for driving a car on track, they get excited from doing what they do. And the people that come back from combat, this is the year PTSD, the guys that, and I know them that stay in combat zones for D.O.D. contractors and all are doing is security and shooting people. Let's be clear. They're not out there because they love waking up at five o'clock in the morning and dropping

around the trucks. They love combat. Yeah, I know a guy who likes combat too. Just business war combat though, not shooting people. But I like business war. Yeah. I mean, in their world, that's the only thing that makes them feel like they have purpose, right? And that's because their body and their mind have had this chemistry situation that pushed up the way they translate chemistry and said they can never fill the gap unless they keep doing what they're doing. And unfortunately, that's where they're at. So I call that the mind, but some of the high jump,

right? And so the more we do things, the more it pushes the high jump up until a point where, you know, you either, you got to go skydive. And once you get skydived, the bar goes up and then everything else seems dull. You ever have a friend that did that and they come back and that's all they talk about? I think some people do that with, they call that the queen for a day process. The marriage is the high point getting married, you know, all the adulation and the queen for a day is what it's referred to. And after that, if someone isn't prepared with having a vision for the long distance of it and, you know, I want to see the glory of raising my children and being a matriarch and other things like that, you know, I want to see the glory of raising my children and being a matriarch

and other things like that. You know, it's kind of a downside. You know, once the honeymoon is over, you know, that's why they call it the honeymoon phase for presidents and marriage and other things. You know, it's kind of the high, but then, you know, then you got to show up on 5 a.m. on day one, like you say, and do the work. And, you know, everyone loves the party part, but no one loves the work. You know, everyone loves celebrating the entrepreneur.

But, you know, it's it's kind of sad that somehow there's not some way to capitalize the true blood, sweat and tears and journey they went on. And that's what a lot of people miss. You know, I have so many people that are like, hey, I wanna do this, I wanna start a podcast. I'm like, okay, well great. Are you, do you even like doing this? No, it just seemed easy.

Just get a mic and you talk into it. Okay, well that's not how life works, but anything of value. I was about to ask you, I was about to ask you, how long have you been doing this thing, Matt? 16 years, 16 years. It is not overnight, man. Oh yeah, and I mean, and the other thing is they're like, like, Hey, how soon can I start making money at this and getting ads and stuff? I'm like,

well, you have to build the audience. So you might be talking to yourself for about three years and, uh, you know, just grinding shit. They're like, what? I'm like, what, what did you think? You just started a podcast and people start throwing money at you? You have to build the audience. No one cares. No one cares if your mom subscribed to the podcast and she listens every week because she pities you and hopes that you'll go back to college. So let's wrap the show. Give people a final pitch out on ordering up your services, getting to know you better,

reaching out to you to find out more, how they can hire you to help them find their soul, uh, speaking to them. And then, uh, for the book itself. Yeah. No, I mean, I think that, um, at first, thanks so much for this, uh, this time has been great. Um, you know, the, a lot of people have a lot of challenges and sometimes they feel the crossroads, you know, that your relationship may be not where you want it to be, your career may be not where you want it to be, you're, you know, as a career leader, you're getting phased out, you're getting

fizzled out, right? You're losing that edge. All these things are, there's a deeper way of addressing the problems or the situation. Sometimes it's not a problem. Sometimes it's a deeper way of addressing the problems or the situation. Sometimes it's not a problem. Sometimes it's a perspective. If I force you to take a look at your life from your soul's desire, not your human desire, once you learn that and you can tune that in, everything else becomes frictionless. You realize that decisions that are difficult for you to do. It's not a decision that's hard to decision that has friction. And sometimes

it's your soul saying not the right time or not the right thing, or it's never the right time. Right. You have to start understanding how your soul talks to you so that you can live more smoothly. You're not understanding why these things are happening. And you know, so there's a lot of applications around it. I encourage you to check me out on Instagram, mark it author, or on the website, mark it author.com. Just send me a note. So I kind of do speaking events, at my first TEDx talk about you know

how to change the way you think for success around leadership and You know, we'll go from there. So Reach out. Well, thank you very much for coming the show. We got your dot-coms in there. Didn't we we did? There we go. So thank you very much for coming the show. We really appreciate it, Mark. Thank you. Very insightful. And I'm going to go, I'm going to go call Satan and see if I can buy my soul back. Uh, I sold it for the show. Uh, anyway, guys, anyway, folks, yeah, it might've been cooked by now. This is probably a good barbecue. It's got burn ends or something I can buy back and I like burning.

So order up Mark's books, wherever it's found a soul spoke to me, a soul's guide to navigate purpose out January 28th, 2025, reach out to him for his other services. They're a good, a good reason. I call him for just Chris Foss, linkedin.com for just Chris Foss, Chris Foss one on the tick talkity and all those crazy places in it. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time.