The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – A Stranger at the Door by Jason Pinter Interview

Episode Date: January 15, 2021

A Stranger at the Door by Jason Pinter Interview From the Amazon bestselling author of Hide Away comes the gripping second installment of the Rachel Marin Thriller series. Rachel Marin is in a good place. After years of struggle, the single mother has found both a stable, loving relationship and a new purpose: putting her investigative skills to work solving crimes for the local PD. But just as the pieces of her life are finally starting to fall into place, her teenaged son’s teacher is gruesomely murdered, starting a domino effect that shatters her peaceful existence. When Rachel discovers an ominous email the teacher sent to her just before his death, she knows she must help bring his killer to justice. But soon a figure from her past reappears, threatening to expose Rachel’s darkest secrets if she doesn’t tread lightly. And when her son is recruited by a shadowy businessman who may be connected to the murder, Rachel knows this has just gotten very, very personal. Someone out there is dead set on keeping this grisly cover-up good and buried, which means if Rachel’s not careful, it’s only a matter of time before her dream life becomes her worst nightmare.About Jason Pinter Jason Pinter is the internationally bestselling author of HIDE AWAY, the first Rachel Marin novel, and the Henry Parker thriller series (THE MARK, THE GUILTY, THE STOLEN, THE FURY, and THE DARKNESS), as well as the acclaimed standalone thriller THE CASTLE, and two children's books. He has been nominated for the Thriller Award, Strand Critics Award, Barry Award, Shamus Award, and more. THE FURY and THE DARKNESS were both chosen as Indie Next selections, and THE MARK, THE STOLEN, and THE FURY were all named to The Strand's Best Books of the Year list. THE MARK was optioned to be a feature film, and there are over 1.5 million copies of Jason's books in print worldwide. He is the Founder and Publisher of Polis Books, and was named one of Publisher Weekly's inaugural Star Watch honorees, which "recognizes young publishing professionals who have distinguished themselves as future leaders of the industry." He has written for The New Republic, Entrepreneur, Esquire, and The Daily Beast, and been featured in Library Journal, Publishers Weekly, Mystery Scene and more. He lives in Hoboken, NJ with his wife and their two daughters. Visit him at www.JasonPinter.com, and follow him on Twitter and Instagram at @JasonPinter.

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and hiss from your listening experience check out their new incredible lineup of dax and audio enhancement devices at ifi-audio.com today we have jason pinter he's the best-selling author of two books in his Rachel Maron series, Hideaway, and his new book that just came out yesterday, A Stranger at the Door, just fresh off the presses here, and you can pick it up at your local dealer there, as well as five other novels that he's written in his Henry Parker Thriller series and the standalone novel, The Castle, which have over one million copies in print worldwide and have been published in over a dozen countries.

The middle grade adventure novel, Zeke Bartholomew, Super Spy, and the children's picture book, Miracle, are also books that he's taken and written. He's been nominated for the Thr award thriller uh strand critics award berry award rt reviewers choice award shamus award shamus award and crime shamus shamus tomato right yeah yeah it seems like this like the shamus award we shamed you i don't know i'm just joking yeah doing the comedy uh crime spree award two of his books the fury and the darkness were chosen as an indie next selections and I think those document my last divorce no I'm just kidding I'm kidding the mark the stolen the

fury were named to the strands best books of the year list the mark and the stolen both appear on the heat seekers best list in the bookseller UK. The Mark was optioned for a feature film. And we have this gentleman on the show. He's on the podcast. Welcome to the show, Jason. How are you? Thank you.

I'm excited to hear from me now. You made me sound great. Yeah, I know. I, you know, a little while back ago, we came on the show. And when she first came on, she's like, I'm having a horrible day. I'm not even sure I want to do this. I'm like, I'm sorry. But, you know, whatever you want to do. And then by the end of the show and when she first came on she's like i'm having a horrible day i'm not even sure i want to do this i'm like i'm sorry but uh but you know whatever you want to do and then by the end of the show he made her happy so oh good good so it's it's a show and it's therapy perfect yeah it's it's a show and it's therapy i'm not sure what it's doing for me

but maybe it is a therapy for me so you've written this great book people can uh go ahead and grab this and stuff give us your plugs for people to look you up on the interwebs yeah so you've written this great book people can uh go ahead and grab this and stuff give us your plugs for people to look you up on the interwebs yeah so you can find me online at jasonpinter.com twitter and instagram at jasonpinter uh that as so as far as social facebook also at facebook.com jason.pinter um i don't know how to use the uh the the snapchats and the tiktok so if anyone has a teenager who wants to show me how to use those go ahead uh otherwise you can find me at at jason pinner most places there you go so you've written this incredible book and uh uh now it's a series it's a book that's in a series about a particular character correct yeah yes that's right yeah this

is the second book in the series so second book book in the series, what's the first book that was the beginning? Yeah. So the first book in this series is hideaway, which came out last year. Uh, and it's, uh, about a woman named Rachel Marin, uh, at the beginning of hideaway, uh, something terrible happens to her and her family that shatters their world. And she's forced to, uh, uproot her family and her two young children moved to a small town in Illinois, and essentially restart her life. She has to assume a different name, stay under the radar. And because she sort of feels like she's been let down by society who let this terrible thing happen to her, she sort of hones her mind and body to become essentially kind of a warrior

protector for her children. And she fully intends to stay under the radar but when the former mayor of her new town is killed she knows that it was murder not suicide and she can't help but get involved but as she starts to get involved her secrets might start to come to light so she has to sort of balance both investigating a murder and trying to stay under the radar too which is not an easy thing to do murder you say murder so uh is it a standalone book in the series where where if you don't read the first one i mean you got to read the first one to get the second one or how does that work i think i ideally try to write each book so that if someone just kind of picks it up and reads it they'll enjoy it regardless um you know i do think if

you read hideaway there are some characters and things from hideaway that come back in the second book so you might get a couple things a little better if you read hideaway first but that said i do think you can pick up either one and jump right in but if you want to read both i will not stop you there you go it's kind of like star wars you know how star wars came out yeah yeah like if you see the last jedi like you might enjoy it but you're not going to get a lot of stuff that happened in the previous movie yeah i kind of i watched star wars when i was a kid and then they came out the three prior movies i'm like i feel kind of gypped man like you're screwing with me you you went but it started with episode four we

had to know there was something that there was something came first that's true huh i should have known that was an issue but uh that's all of us so uh what motivated you want to write a second book on in this series did you have this when you when you're plotting out the first book did you did you envision your mind going down this road with multiple books yeah you know i think i i wanted it to be a series um i love the character and I sort of wanted to explore somebody who could who sort of wanted to to find justice and stop crimes but at the same time sort of had to deal with having small children to somebody so she couldn't you know she couldn't be batman she couldn't be a vigilante going out at three in the morning and beating people up or staying out at all hours and drinking

at a bar till three a.m because she had. So I liked the idea of seeing where that character could go over time. So I wrote the first book with the hopes that it would be a series. The fact that my publisher also saw that was a great thing, because then I could actually write the second book too. So I did see it as a series from the beginning, but then it's sort of the way, you know, the industry works. It's like, even if you want it because a series, you sort of need the green light from publisher to say like, okay, this series too so i was very fortunate that they wanted a second book it was kind of funny you mentioned uh how hard it would be to you know do kind of detective sort of work or whatever with kids and i had this image of like old bogey uh film noir detective rooms you know and they're all smoking in those in some pi's office and i

just had to imagine like a woman in that setting with a bunch of kids on her oh my god she'd be shooting child services would come right away and take that and take those kids yeah you got it you had no smoking and no drinking allowed so what made you choose i think in your other series you had a male character the henry parker thriller series what made you choose? I think in your other series, you had a male character, the Henry Parker. What made you choose a woman for this series? So I started writing hideaway, the first book in the series pretty shortly after my first, my older daughter was born. She's about three and a half now. And I was starting to, I was sort of trying to kick around ideas for a new book and hadn't hidden anything yet. And I love the idea of a sort of a thriller character, like you said, who wanted to do the right thing,

who wanted to solve crimes, but couldn't do this, a lot of things that normal characters could do in these novels. She's not like, a lot of these characters tend to be kind of loners. They tend to be, you know, like the middle-aged guys in the trench coats and they got, you know, they're paying alimony for four different ex-wives. And they have.

And I like the idea of a character who sort of couldn't do all that because she had these responsibilities. She, you know, she wanted to hunt down the bad guys, but like she also has to cook dinner and she has to help them get ready for school. So there's an immediate conflict right there. And I thought that'd just be super interesting from a character perspective to explore. Not just in terms of the storyline but the emotions of the characters and what was it like for her and how do you balance being a crime fighter and

a mom uh and with a new kid at home i just it felt like the right time because i knew what it was like to be a parent and i could understand that perspective that idea that always wanted to be a protector just like rachel is in the books yeah moms are great protectors man you never mess with mom yeah oh my god I'm a lot bigger than my wife but if I if like my if my daughters were ever in harm's way she could stop a train that's true you know don't ever mess with mama bear um so do you find that that uh having a female character appeals more to a female audience than that are picking up the books these days? You know, I didn't look at it from that perspective. I do think, I think it's just like studies say, like, 60 to 70% of readers are female.

To me, it was also, it had to be a female character. Because I do think there's a connection between a mother and their child that even though i'm a hands-on dad and i would do anything for my kids there's a connection between a mother and a child that just is unbreakable that you don't have as anybody else and i wanted that immediate biological connection uh that vulnerable that both sort of the the mama bear but also the vulnerability that went with that so to me it had to be a female character I don't think it would have it could have been a dad but I don't think it would have been

quite the same bond so to me it was really important that she wasn't just a female but that she was also a mom too. There you go so give us some without giving too much away or you know who dies at the end or whatever the hell happens

that's my favorite movie joke without giving too much away or, you know, who dies at the end or whatever the hell happens. That's my favorite movie joke. I always, anytime somebody says, I'm going to go see the movie. I'm like, yeah, that's a good movie. Just remember that the guy dies at the end. I'm like, what the fuck? You're probably right 75% of the time anyway. Yeah, see, that's the thing. But then I'm like, but then they're like, it's a Disney movie.

What the hell, Chris? What the hell, man? It's animation. Anyway. I don't know. There's some dark Disney movies. My kids love Frozen, and the parents die in Frozen like five minutes into the movie, which is dark as heck.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like not even at the end, like five minutes, and boom, their parents die. You don't even get time to get invested. No, you're like, what? This is a dark, dark movie for kids. It's like Batman. When you really look at Batman, it's really got some issues, man. Oh, my God.

Oh, he's just as messed up as everyone he fights. Yeah. It's like he's clearly an emo kid who has some issues. Anyway, not judging emo kids. I'm just saying. When you start dressing up with capes i mean i'm not judging but you know maybe you should see a psychologist that's all i'm saying yeah i was gonna say if i ever start to do that like somebody call the men in white coats because i'm not right they probably

should have done that to me a long time ago so uh you've written this book a stranger at the door so give us uh i think i'd ask a question earlier and then i segued. So give us a like give us what sort of details you can that can tease us a little bit. Yeah. So, you know, in Hideaway, Rachel sort of has to investigate a murder and her world is turned upside down. In this book, Stranger at the Door, she's found out like a modicum of sort of peace and tranquility in that she's, you know, she's working with the local PD. She's entered into a tentative relationship with one of the cops that she fell for. She's somebody who hasn't been in relationships in a very long time and sort of getting into it, you know, walking on eggshells a little bit, but she feels like things are on a good track. And then one of her son's school teachers is brutally murdered.

And it turns out the teacher had tried to go to rachel for help on something uh so she has to investigate his murder but at the same time this sort of shadowy businessman starts to try to um lure her son into his fold turns out that he's sort of um running this scheme where they sort of exploit fragile emotionally fragile young men so while she's investigating this murder her son who is still traumatized from the events of the first book is starting she's starting to lose him so she has to investigate a murder try to save her son both emotionally and physically and so every so when she thought she had peace it turns out that it's becoming a nightmare and everything is happening all over again now um is the same is she still investing in the same murder from

the first book or is this no different murder different a lot of people die oh yes yeah she might have looked at if she's around that many people that are dying you know yeah she might want to move too if all these bodies are she needs better friends yeah well it's good you know you wouldn't have a very long series if everything was just fine you know it was like yeah she woke up and had her tea and that was it like that's not gonna yeah people don't want to see that it was the best of times it was the worst times the end um so uh delving out the character um are there some strong other lead characters that are with her i suppose the relationship yeah it was really important to me as i was writing hideaway the first book that it wasn't just rachel but that she really had sort of a fully fleshed out supporting cast.

So she sort of, as she investigates the murder, she's not a cop. So she immediately starts to butt heads with the two cops who were on the case, John Serrano and Leslie Talley. And it was important to me that even though she's sort of going up against the cops, that these were not stereotypical cops that are just there to give her a hard time. But these are real people with real backstories that have emotions, that have families,

because I wanted you to see things from their perspective, too, that these were not just sort of, you know, cardboard cutouts. So it was really important to me that John Serrano and Leslie Talley felt like real people, too. Rachel's kids also. She has a son named Eric, who's, I think in this book, is 13 years old, and a daughter, Eric, who's I think in this book is 13 years old and a daughter, Megan, who's six. And they have their own personalities too. You know, Megan was a little too young to sort of understand what happened to their family. So she's a little sprightly. She's sort of optimistic, happy-go-lucky. But her son, Eric, is really troubled. He's really struggling because he's never faced what happened to their family.

And so reaching Eric, reaching her troubled son is sort of one of the backbones of these books because as a mother, it's not just about protecting her children physically, but it's about protecting them emotionally. And she maybe hasn't quite figured out how to do that yet. Ah, well, does the family ever get in danger in the book? Oh yeah, absolutely.

And that's one of the things that as she starts to investigate murder, she sort of starts to expose her family a little bit and maybe takes a few risks that she shouldn't. And that's what I love about the character because she's not perfect. She is flawed, that she makes decisions that are sometimes in hindsight not smart. But, hey, who of us makes the perfect decision the first time out? So to me me that made

her a little more fallible because she she made mistakes and the repercussions to them sounds like my life and there's lots of mistakes no i mean i believe that puts a pretty good human basis to stuff do you what do you like most about fleshing out these characters and developing them and designing them? I think if they feel real, you're going to feel more emotionally invested in the book. It's one thing to have sort of gunfights and chases and car chases and all that. And that's great. I love them as much as anybody. But if you really feel connected to the people who are involved in them, then it ups the stakes. Because if it's just kind of like a bunch of cardboard cards or sprites bouncing around like in car crashes that might be entertaining but if these are people that you care about you know their

lives you know their stories there's an emotional connection there that to me just makes the story that much more enriching and that's important to me there you go that now you wrote about you wrote a whole series of a male character uh do you find there's more depth with the female character because females you know they process a whole lot more emotion intellect and you know we're just like we're pretty i don't know we're usually pretty flat like we're just like yeah there's definitely it's definitely possible um you know in my first series the character henry parker i think he was 25 years old when the first book came out in the story. So like, he's pretty naive. He's a young kid.

He's, you know, got really got his first full-time job that he's happy with. He doesn't know a whole lot. Whereas Rachel has seen some stuff. Rachel's been through some stuff. She's been through things that we could never possibly imagine. And I think she's a much more mature character. She's a much more introspective character. So I don't know

if it's woman versus man but certainly the life experience that she has far outweighs what what henry has and i think that forces her to like she knows a lot more about the world and is maybe a little more cynical in those that perspective she's not as optimistic because she's she's been let down before what motivates her to want to go after crimes and solving them? Yeah, because what happens to her in Hideaway is that she was let down by the systems that promised to protect her. So that's the reason why she sort of hones her mind and body into a weapon because she doesn't trust anybody else right now because she's been let down. So when she sees somebody else killed and she sees that same thing about to happen, where this is going to be chalked up as a suicide, this person's

death is just going to be swept under the rug that happened to her. And she can't let that happen to somebody else. So even though she wants to stay under the radar, she has this sense of justice that she just, she can't let this set. She has to, she has to find the um because if she's not going to speak up for this woman then nobody else will there you go i mean i was let down by the system but i turned the other way i just killed people i just i just i clearly chose the wrong path or something i don't know so is there going to be more books in the series with this uh with this character do you think yeah i hope so you know i have uh the third one is sort of percolating as we speak and sort of like anything with entertainment like it all comes down to well enough people hopefully buy the book and read it and spread the word that you know my

publisher will want more and i i hope they do so i i certainly hope there are more i want there to be more i have ideas for at least the next book beyond this and then it's just like hey fingers crossed readers like them and and enough people want to keep it going there you go um so uh the thing i was going to ask you is any uh is anybody option this yet this sounds like it might be a great hallmark sort of movie because women love the hallmark channel right maybe maybe disney plus yeah disney plus there you go yeah um so maybe throw in some manchurian there or something like that. Exactly. Yeah. Nice light, lighthearted.

Give me the third book. Christmas, some Christmas fair, baby Yoda. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

I have a film and TV agent who is shopping the books around as we speak. And, you know, fingers crossed. I don't know that side of the, that side very well, but I have an agent who's working on it and she loves it. So yeah,

with any luck, someone will snap it up. I think it could certainly make a great series so you've written all these books you you should have a pretty good audience by now what how do you usually engage with your audience or do you find there's a good feedback i know some authors use goodreads uh is there anything that oh actually yeah i was gonna ask you about that i'd seen on your facebook page that you use uh called Book Club, I think it was, or something. I thought I saw that on your page,

something about follow me on Book Club or something. Maybe I lost it somewhere. Book Pub. Might be Book Pub. That's it. Yeah. You like that? Yeah.

I don't think Book Pub is sort of as – I think Book Pub is sort of like if you follow me on there, you'll get a notification whenever I have like a new book out or if there's like a special – like a special e-book promotion on one of my books. I say like if you like my books, follow me anywhere and everywhere because you won't miss anything. I'm active on social media. It's like I'm really active on Twitter. I'm pretty active on Instagram and Facebook. I post news about books. I post photos and stuff like that. I try to engage with people on Twitter. Like I have readers send me, sending me like messages all the time. And I always try to like repost those to let them know that like, you know, I see you and I appreciate

you, things like that. Yeah. It's, you know, it's like, oh, it's a full-time job because you have all these different accounts and you have to pay attention to all of them and you don't want to let your readers down. But so it's certainly fun to interact with everybody, but it's definitely a full-time job. I think it's cool that you do that. It's there's a lot of readers that come on. I'm, I've always been a social media guy. So I understand that there's different people on different platforms and you've got to go to your audience. And, and sometimes your audiences, your audience is usually everywhere. It's just they have to find you. Or they find you and they go, hey, I want to read more of these gentlemen's books. And so I'll meet people and they're like, I'm just on Twitter.

And I'm just like, dude. An example is we had one of the diet guys. He's done The Cancer Code and The Fasting Code and a bunch of fasting books. He's really hugely popular and he came on the show really nice guy and uh and i said are you on facebook because uh you got a ton of groups over there and he goes no i'm not i'm just do twitter and i go dude there's like 20 groups with your name on them for people on dieting and fasting you should probably go over there because your audience is there.

It's good that you engage in all those different things. Anything more we want to plug about the book to get people to go out and buy it? Yeah, so it's Strange of the Doors out right now. You can get it in print, an e-book, an audio book. I got to say, if you like audio books, the audio books are fantastic. It's weird because all my other books have been made into audio books, but I books are fantastic. It's weird because I all my other books have been made into audio books. But I have like a weird hang up where I have a hard time listening to them. Because I like when I hear that, like somebody else's voice in my head, it sort of freaks me out a little bit. But I listened to the audio book for hideaway. And it's absolutely fantastic.

And it's the first time I've ever listened to one of my audio books front to back. So if you like audio books, these books are awesome in audio. Other than that, like the book is out right now. You can get it in print, an e-book, an audio book, either on Amazon, on bookshop.org, at any of your favorite booksellers. They can either they have it in stock or they can order it. And, you know, I also say like support independent booksellers. It's a really tough time for small businesses right now. I've been doing some virtual events with independent bookstores,

and they're struggling right now because a lot of people can't come into their stores I used to tour around the country and go to different events now you can't do that so if you have a local local bookstore and you want them to stay your local bookstore go out of your way shop with them order online because they are the backbones of our community and I'm proud to have the support of a lot of local independent bookstores. There you go, guys. Give us your plugs one more time, Jason, where people can look you up on the internet.

Yeah, so you can find me on my website. My website is www.jasonpinter.com. I'm also on Twitter and Instagram at Jason Pinter, Facebook.com, Jason.Pinter. And there I engage uh followers pretty much everywhere uh twitter instagram if you send me a note i always try to respond um yeah and i love hearing from folks and i try to keep everything i've shared fun news share interesting stuff um yeah and you know try to try to do my best i think you got to try to be engaging

even if you don't feel like it's it's always nice to hear people like somebody the other day complimented me on the podcast i'm like thanks i don't hear enough of that like yeah oh it's great i mean like you can spend a you know especially writing like you spend a year basically like in a dark cave typing on a keyboard and then all of a sudden your book is out there and people you've never met before sending you notes and you're like wait it's actually like it's connecting and it's it's like a weird magical thing but it means a lot i have people do that to me in events they run up and they go the chris voss show and you're like you're scaring me man there's a fine line between like appreciation and and and being frightened it's part of that thing that we did we started

doing that years ago where we started doing the chris voss show and singing it and i did as a bit for a week and people just love the shit out of it and i was like seriously and so now they come up and they do it but they go the chris voss show and you're just like whoa man yeah but you invite you invited it though so it's half your fault you think i'd expect it by now. So anyway, guys, go out and check out his book, Order It Up, A Stranger at the Door, Jason Pinter, and all of his wonderful other books he's got. You can just consume the whole series there, as people do. Binge read to your heart's content.

There you go, binge reading. I think that's what we're all doing in quarantine, learning new things and new adventures, and God knows it beats reading the news these days so uh everyone check that out uh to see the video talk about a hell of a time to tell to talk about a hell of a time to release a book too you know i think people want to get away so this is a i hope so well it's funny because hideaway came out last march right when the pandemic was really starting to pick up and stranger the Door came out

right in the middle of a coup and an impeachment. I figured last one during a pandemic, this one during an impeachment and a coup. The next one's going to come out during an alien invasion. My books are bad luck. Probably zombies. Exactly.

Don't say I didn't warn you. In fact, I'm going to mark that in a calendar in your next book release. I don't know what's In fact, I'm going to mark that in a calendar in your next book release. I don't know what's happening, but I'm going to be in a bunker somewhere. But, no, the quarantine has actually been really good for us, for the show, and a lot of authors because people are hunkered down. And, you know, they've got to entertain themselves with something. And so, like, they listen to our show. They order books.

That's great. They really make themselves at home. So, anyway, I'm on it. I certainly appreciate you guys. Go to goodreads.com for just Chris Voss. You can see all the books. They really make themselves at home. So anyway, I'm on it. I certainly appreciate you guys. Go to goodreads.com for just Chris Voss. You can see all the books we're reading and reviewing over there. Go to facebook.com, The Chris Voss Show, LinkedIn as well.

We've got a ton of LinkedIn groups. We're also covering a lot of CES show, 2021 coverage as well. See all the new products and things we're reviewing there. Thanks to Jason for being here. Thanks for spending some time with us, sir. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

I appreciate it. Thank you. And stay safe, wear your mask, and we'll see you next time.