The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – AI’s Human Touch: Crafting Digital Twins for Eternal Connections

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

AI's Human Touch: Crafting Digital Twins for Eternal Connections Esourceu.com About the Guest(s): Joe DiDonato is the President of eSource AI University and the Co-founder and Chairman of the AI Learning Alliance. With a lifelong passion for education and entrepreneurship, Joe is pioneering innovative methods to integrate artificial intelligence with human development. His career spans roles in leadership, corporate strategy, and venture capital. Joe's work focuses on harnessing AI to empower individuals and organizations to learn faster, think smarter, and maintain a deeper connection to humanity. His current endeavors include developing AI tutors, wellness agents, and digital legacy systems to preserve personal wisdom for future generations. Episode Summary: In this episode of The Chris Voss Show, we dive into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence with Joe DiDonato, a leading expert in AI-driven educational and developmental tools. Celebrating 16 years and 2,500 episodes, host Chris Voss engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Joe about the transformative potential of AI in both personal and professional domains. From AI tutors to digital legacy systems, Joe explains how his work at eSource AI University and the AI Learning Alliance is shaping the future of learning and human connection. The conversation centers around the evolution of AI technology and its application in creating more human-like interactions. Joe discusses his groundbreaking "vibe coding" method, which aims to humanize AI conversations, making them more relatable and personal. This episode highlights the profound implications of AI in preserving knowledge and memories, exploring ethical questions and technological advancements in AI. Through compelling anecdotes and insights, Joe illustrates how AI can revolutionize industries and enhance personal experiences, setting the stage for a more connected future. Key Takeaways: Humanizing AI Interactions: Joe DiDonato's "vibe coding" approach humanizes AI interactions, making them more relatable and reflective of human emotions and patterns. Preserving Legacy and Knowledge: Through digital legacy systems, AI can capture and preserve personal wisdom, ensuring continuity of knowledge between generations. AI in Business and Education: AI tools are transforming business practices by retaining knowledge management and offering personalized education through AI-driven tutoring systems. Ethical and Emotional Impact: The podcast delves into the ethical considerations of AI in prolonging grief and its potential emotional impact on users. Future of AI Technology: Joe discusses upcoming advancements that will enable rapid processing and more lifelike AI avatars, highlighting the ever-evolving landscape of AI technology. Notable Quotes: "Imagine being able to talk to your doctor at midnight about a pain in your left arm, in your jaw." "We can capture the essence of a person and their thought patterns, and it's just a carefully curated way of uploading information and tuning these agents." "It's a whole different way of not just asking questions and getting answers. It's collaboration with a tool that's very powerful." "What would that unlock for us if we could tutor a kid like that, or all the kids in the world?" "If people are thinking about it, you spend 15 minutes a day recording something, and now we have your voice and thought pattern."

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AI technology or AI technology for my understanding of it. Joe D. Donato is the president and East Source AI University and co-founder and chairman of the AI Learning Alliance. He's a lifelong educator entrepreneur, and currently, he's pioneering ways to blend artificial intelligence with human development from AI tutors and wellness agents to digital legacy systems

that preserve personal wisdom for future generations. His career spans CXO and board level roles, along with leadership and learning corporate strategy and venture capital. Through his work, he helps people and organizations harness AI and learn faster, to lead smarter and stay deeply connected to what makes us human. Welcome to the show, Joe. How are you?

Thank you. I'm great. Thank you. It's an honor to be on the show with you. I've followed your work over the years and thought it was great. Thank you. Thank you. We certainly appreciate it. So give us your dot-coms or websites, wherever people can find out more about you on the interwebs. Okay. Main one is esourceu.com. That's where we host the university and the research that we're doing and so forth and some of the new tools there. You can

reach me at Joe or J.D. Donato at esource corp.com and we're all part of the ESource AI group. Too many AI things for everyone.

Well, AI sure is hitting it now. Give us the $30,000 over you what you do there. Yeah. So what we started doing was teaching everybody the two key elements that you need to work with this and that's prompt engineering and development of originally chatbots now they're agentic AI agents so it helps people to figure out how to use these tools to collaborate with them and so forth so that's how we started off the program and

and then we started getting into some new areas called vibe coding and this was trying to make the AI more humanistic, if you will. So I can give you a backstory on how that happened. You do. Yeah, so there was a woman came up to me after the class, and her husband was in stage four cancer. And we were talking about humanizing the interactions with the AI. And she said, do you think you could capture my husband's works

his mind and also his essence. I said, well, that's an interesting challenge and see what we can do. So we worked on that together and then unfortunately he passed away and missed of all that and I lost touch with her, but it started us off on a whole different path of what to do with AI, if you will. It became our legacy series. So basically, to give you an idea of what the difference is, AI kind of talks in sterile terms. If you, an example, a good example would be the health care network that we're working with in New York State. One of the things they have to do is an intake form. So they start off and, you know, it's usually these cold lycurt scales on a scale of one of five, what you're moved today, pick a number.

And, you know, it's hard to relate to that. So what I taught the AI to do was to ask those in a different way, a way that we can, you know, relate to them as humans. So here's an example for the different stages. So that the top is, you know, I don't think I have enough time to, I feel like I don't have enough time to take care of all my patients. The next level down would be I'm starting to, skip meals so I can have more time with the patients. Next level might be, you know, I'm working

extra a couple hours on my shift because I'm afraid I'm going to let something not get done and somebody will die, you know, or get hurt. And then, you know, the final stage all the way down instead of going through all of them is, you know, I can't sleep at night. I'm worried about what I haven't done and I need to go back. And so it's easier. for people to relate to that kind of a thing than, you know, a number on a mood scale, kind of. So that started this whole humanistic trend. And what happened is, is now that we've gone in that direction, it's kind of easy for coaches to get involved in things like we've been building them for people that are life coaches, you know, and it's a way of,

helping people 24-7 without having to go through a whole course, a whole book. So it's, on a personal note, imagine being able to talk to your doctor at midnight about a pain in your left arm and your jaw. And, you know, just ask that question directly. And in the bod, his essence is his knowledge, his patterns that they're called. I'll think, you know, another example, you know, talk to Tony Robbins about self-limiting doubts at midnight, you know, so it's there 24-7. You don't have to go through a course. You don't have to, you know, read a book. It's there to help you at the moment of need.

So what we see in the long run is us being able to make these things into, you know, like a mastermind group. You know, there was a story, if you ever read. I think can grow rich by Napoleon Hill, I'm sure you probably have. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, they talked about taking Ford Motor Company away from Henry Ford because he didn't have a college degree. And he said, I don't understand why I need that.

I've got 25 buttons in front of me here. Each one is attached to an expert. I just have to push the button and I can get my answer. It's one of my favorite stories, too. Yeah, it was, it was, you know, a crazy thing. that was going on there. But, you know, that whole notion here now is possible with AI agents. They can, we can capture the essence of a person and their thought patterns.

And it's just a carefully curated way of uploading information and tuning these agents now so they can think like that. Wow. So people that, if I'm out there listening, who's your target market and what are you, what is the target product you're trying to do or what are some of them i guess well on on the personal side it's the it's these legacy series of folks wanting to you know leave something uh pay it forward if you will to the next generations and all the life lessons they learn so they don't have to repeat them on the corporate side these things are like workhorses So if I put in the patterns, if you will, of your best sales rep or your best customer service person

and then uploaded all your products and technical documents for reference, they can carry on a conversation, you know, one-on-one. Things you can't do right now, we can connect it to a telephone. So you could call a phone number and you wouldn't. no, it's not a real person because of the quick response time back and forth. Yeah. So these are the uses that we're seeing going on in the corporate world. And then, you know, the whole notion of, you know, having the head of a company who formed the company, you know, be able to talk to all their people.

It changes the way we can interact with senior management in the company. Imagine, you know, being able to, you know, we'll take some examples. You know, a great one is probably Doug McMillan, I believe his name is the head of Walmart. He came up, you know, from Stockboy, you know, and became the CEO of the company. So just about everybody of the 1.6 million staff relates to him. So imagine being able to have a conversation with him at any time of the day, any, you know, in any part of the world. It just changes the whole interaction, you know,

to have him tell the person what he would like to see them do and how they, how to handle a customer situation. Wow. All those sorts of things. it's just dealing with AI in a whole different way instead of, you know, focused on the engine and how fast things we can, how fast we can make things go, it starts to look at the ride inside the car. Yeah.

It's the sound level and so forth. Yeah. One of the things I had was I've used Google Voice back before. It used to be something called Grand Central and then Google bought it. I've used it for like, I don't know, 25 years now or something like that, 20 years, how long it's been around. And what it does is it's a voiceover IP. It'll store online in a browser or, you know, online app, wherever, my messages.

Like if you leave a message for me on my phone, it will store that message. It's not stored on a T&T system that I use for my cellular service. It's stored on Google Voice. So I can just go to web browser and I can. playback video voicemails and then of course it gives me a transcribe system where it'll transcribe voicemails so I don't have to read them and I can just quickly get back to the person or what they need um without I haven't sit there and listen to them blather on which is usually what I do on phone calls and the podcast too but uh after my after my dad had

passed I was one day and this is maybe eight months later I was going through old files, and I don't remember what I was up to. Maybe I was just auditing and deleting stuff. And I came across the voicemails. The last few voicemails, he'd left me before he died. And my dad would ramble on voicemails. Like, he would just start talking to it, like, he was his best fucking friend. God bless him. And so I found that I had all these old voicemails from him in his voice, and it was almost like hearing him again. And so something like what you you're doing and it was touching and moving to experience it and and uh you know i when i go watch videos of my dogs that have passed i i will still talk to them like they're there it gives me

some sort of experience that that oh they're right here still and i'll start talking to them and whatever old sort of names i would call them and jovial conversations we would have so i think what you're doing can kind of provide maybe that same experience yeah i you know what we do is capture the person's voice, you know, and so it literally sounds like them. I have a digital twin. My wife prefers to talk to my digital twin instead of me. It seems, you know, it's a little matter of tuning to say yes to you all the time. Is it programmed to do that? No. No, it just it doesn't have the emotional swing

it's it doesn't get tired of listening maybe I don't know more level yeah my best friend said you want to make one Joe argue with my wife I said yeah you'd make a killing on them

hey honey you want to argue here's yeah I'm gonna go talk to this but you know the worrisome you know like for that woman who the example let's start of this whole thing, you know, we call it the uncanny valley, if you will. Yeah.

You know, do you interrupt the healing process, you know, the grieving process in any way, do you prolong things? So we're pretty careful about how we handle the data. We put guardrails on it, so we're not giving medical advice or legal advice and all that normal stuff or, and we're not talking from, you know, the dead, you know, or any crazy things like that. And if, you know, they asked a question of a personal nature, the guardrails point them to, you know,

get some qualified help or to ask the children or, you know, ask somebody else. Yeah. But one of the big problems that we see in the world of business is all us older guys are leaving the companies. Yeah. And with that, you know, are the intellectual property that was in our, our heads, walks out with us. So this is another way of keeping that and helping the next

generation of employees not lose what it was built in the past or the reasons why. So we see a lot of uses across a lot of different enterprises, you know, not only to keep that knowledge, but also to be the workhorses, you know, qualify all the leads coming in and just pass over the qualified ones to the sales team, that sort of thing. Call that the, hey, Bob, we're going to fire you, but we need to train your AI trainer replacement first. It's going to train your Japanese or Chinese replacement. So get on that, will you, Bob?

Yeah, that might not work so well, but you never know. I'd feed a lot of wrong information. Yeah. Yeah. Make sure you put a stick in the, uh, in the, uh, in the, machine before you start it. Yeah.

So, but the, you know, the latest version of this, we're, we're now on 3.0, if you will, a vibe coding. And what we, what I was teaching it to do was to brainstorm with you and, and be creative. And that was a tough thing to do, how to work with it for many days to talk about, you know, how the mind works when you think about things. So a couple examples to give you a feel for what we had to teach it or what I had to teach it. Imagine yourself sitting in front of a blank sheet of art paper

and somebody says, okay, do the fall fashions for us. You know, most people would just blank unless you already had something in mind. But it changes if you put pictures of other outfits around the outside of that art board. because what your brain does naturally is to cut and paste. So it'll take a shoulder treatment, combining with a neck treatment, a back treatment, skirt treatment, or whatever you're designing.

And you'll evolve the next version of clothing, if you will, and then that becomes part of the mix. Oh, wow. So we had to explain that. I had to explain that. And then we are very biased in how we solve problems. For instance, we won't think, outside the discipline we we won't think to put scooter wheels on luggage and so for nearly a

century we lug around you know heavy luggage because we couldn't think outside the box yeah so we gave it lots of examples like this until it finally got it and so you put it in brainstorming mode in the version three and it'll actually help you think up new products new new services new really Yeah. I spent one whole afternoon just coming up with new gadgets. I thought it was very cool. Yeah. It'd be great for brainstorming as a businessman. You know, you can be like, how can we build a better widget or how can we, you know, what's a thing that's more marketable to people, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, and there's even a coaching element in the new version. You know, I had an individual who likes to be very verbose, if you will, in meetings. and so, you know, we had a, he just silences everybody else in the meeting.

So I said to it, you know, walk me through a role play here. So I do the right thing by this individual. We don't want to cut off his input, but we want others to be able to speak. And it got the idea and it said, why don't you ask the person, you know, how the other people are reacting? And I said, well, that's a good idea because now the guy brings forward, well, some like it, some don't like it. I said, why do you think they don't like it? You know, there was a role play. And because they didn't get a chance to get their ideas.

And I said, well, why don't you, the next time we have a session like that, why don't you pick one of them and, you know, have them go first. And so it was like coaching me on how to handle the. situation with the person. It's a whole different way of not just asking questions and getting answers. It's it's collaboration and with the tool that's very powerful and it's every day, every, you know, interaction out there. It's not wild. Yeah.

It's not wild. And we're still at the early stages of this sort of technology, right? Yeah. You know, right now I can't make the avatar speak in the person's native voice because it's not fast enough. The technology is it. But, you know, we're spending so much money in that area that I see that happening within probably six months to a year. They'll have chips so fast that we'll be able to do that. So if I was the avatar, be able to talk to me the avatars are so real now i you put up a picture and you see the the uh person's neck move the mouth forms the words perfectly the chest moves and and so they're all the technology that you know there's the they estimate there's 10 to 30 000

AI tools out there now in 2000, just in the generative AI area, which is where, you know, I stick with most of my research and development. So there's just a lot, and they're leapfrogging each other. Gosh knows how it's all going to end up, but you can see all these big deals that are happening out there, you know, Oracle stock jumps because Open AI buys a ton of, you know, resources from them to use. Yeah. You know, and V-Vidia makes a new chip

development and things go wild. So that's the future, I think, for us, and that's where I think we're going to head with all this. Wow. That should be really interesting. It's, what do you think about the, there's been a lot of discussion

lately about an AI investment bubble. There's a lot of big, the big companies are all investing in AI and they're all kind of investing in other like Google's investing in like the AI of Microsoft Microsoft's investing in the AI of Google and like I saw a chart the other day it shows that all these cyclical circleical investment processes that you know if a couple of blow up and you know might be blowing up some big companies you know like 2008 too big to fail and uh that was kind

of interesting it's like yeah I wish I knew of course if we had a a bot with the intelligence. Yeah. Let's just ask the AI but, duh. Let's ask Warren Buffett's bot about that. Yeah, we need a, we know Warren Buffett, but. How long does it take to put something, say I had a, I'm in the audience and I'm thinking, you know, Uncle Joe is getting down there.

There was a, I remember I've talked about this on the show before, there was a time with my father where we knew, you know, he was having a lot of events in and out of the hospital, We knew it was a matter of time, and it wasn't going to be long. And so I started not only trying to interview him and ask him things that I had always wondered about throughout my life, and trying to do what I call Clear the Decks, where I tried to make sure that we talked out any problems or issues that we had between ourselves so that we could, if he left, or I left, we could be clean of everything. and I wouldn't need to talk to about, you know, whatever we were happening with that one thing. And so that was really healing for me, but a lot of people don't get to have that experience. Sometimes our loved ones are taken from us fairly quickly, and we don't get that opportunity.

And so a ball like this is interesting. Like I said, the same sort of experience when I listen to my father's voicemail messages. And I've had a, I talked about this on my Facebook, and I had other people say the same thing. They're like, yeah, I think it's truly cool. cool that I can hear my dad's voice in old pictures and stuff. Like you say, there's the Uncanny Valley aspect. Does it, is it helping that person? Is it helping them deal with the loss? Or is it prolonging, you know, them going through the stages of grief? Yeah. So a lot of ethical questions around all this at this point. But overall, I think it's pretty helpful. You know, we talked about

bringing back some of the great minds of the past. You know, wouldn't it be great to, you know, have somebody like Einstein or Mark Twain or, you know, or Nelson Mandela, you know, or all those people, you know, how they thought and bring it in. But it's a process to get the information in. It's a white glove process. I mean, for instance, I couldn't put in my bot our interview because it wouldn't be able to distinguish your pattern of thinking and question versus my. I'm not sure I really have a pattern of thinking.

It's mostly just empty piss and air. I don't know. It sounds pretty, pretty good to me. If you try to record it by a computer, all you get this shh... A hissing sound. Yeah, it's white noise. Yeah, yeah, again... They're still trying to figure out what's going on with me, but, you know.

Yeah. I think it's the air releasing from my brain. Yeah, me, it's... It's all this food I've been digesting because I can't leave my desk. Yeah, that's Friday's around here. But it's an easy thing to do. People, you know, if people are thinking about it, we didn't have this possibility in the past, right? So if people are thinking about it, you know, you spend 15 minutes a day recording something, you know.

And now we have your voice and, you know, you prompt a whole bunch of questions. You put them in front of your dad or whomever you want to. preserve and now we have the voice and at the same time we have the thought pattern and then we simply just upload all of that into the into the tuning part of it and we we control that pattern so when you talk it's really like talking to the person it was so real that when we played the first version of this to the bob dana family the one that i was telling you about the nuclear physics assist and naval commander. He had just lost a brother, and the

brother's ex thought he'd lost connection with the family. And, you know, it went on for about a 15-minute input to explain the situation to the digital twin, and it came back, and we, you know, there was tears. I mean, it was that real to everybody that, you know,

we had captured it, which was the nicest thing that I think we've ever felt. Yeah. So we're using all of that knowledge and, you know, for us it's not so much the technology. It's using that technology to do things like this, to solve problems. Can we take care of the children? We know we're working on a tutor, K to 12 tutor. We know from research that's been done that the kids that were tutored one-on-one outperformed 98% of the kids that were just trained in a classroom alone. Wow.

So imagine being able to tutor a kid like that or all the kids in the world. I mean, what would that unlock for us? So we see those opportunities. We see, you know, even on the fun side, guess who's coming to dinner? Tonight it's John F. Kennedy, you know, ask them whatever questions you want. You know, of course, we'd have to have a lot of permissions to do that. But it's an interesting world if we handle it correctly. You know, that would be interesting because, you know, when I went to school, you know, I had issues because it was so disconnected.

But, geez, if you could add, you know, John F. Kennedy, here on your computer or on a screen or whatever, and you could have an interactive conversation with them. Because, you know, they would play like, here's Kennedy's inaugural speech. You're like, ah, it's not what you can blah, blah, blah. It's a great speech. I don't mean to minimize it, but just being funny. But it'd be great if you could have that conversation. Oh, Mr. President, what was it like?

The Cuba Crisis? Tell us about how you handle that and what decision you make. You know, I read Schlesinger's book 1,000 days on the Kennedy administration. It was interesting, but it wasn't first person. It was, you know, Schlesinger's analysis of what he experienced. But still, I mean, it was pretty freaking cool, right? Yeah. Imagine we're proposing something to special operations in the military.

Imagine a seal team going in and having access to things like extraction knowledge from, you know, think of a situation room like in the White House, you know, where you have, what are the political consequences, extraction methodologies, you know, how can we support the team during a mission? And then there's the after effects of the PTSD and everything they're experiencing. How can we help those people after the fact and their families? Because that's a huge problem. They can't even admit they have PTSD because they're deathbound after that. They can't go on missions or anything else.

So all kinds of things that we can suck. If, you know, right now, everybody's focused on the technology, some good stuff out there. Sesame. They got these little pair of glasses that apparently you'll be able to carry your digital advisor or mentor or twin and just, you know, ask questions of that going through. There's some great stuff from Google. You like Google. They have deep mind has this thing called Gemma, the speed of the response. It's just like you and I talking.

You wouldn't know the difference. So lots of good stuff. You know, it's like anything else for the new things. How can we use it? We can misuse it and we can use it for some of these positive things. Yeah. So let's get in. How can we use this for evil?

No, I'm just kidding. We don't want to give anybody ideas or AI for that matter. Well, then there's that other bigger market, too, that we hope when you can't speak of. Yeah. Sell it a planeter. Yeah. Yeah. The Internet, yeah.

Yeah. How can we drone bomb people easier? That's probably what someone's working on. Anyway, so if I'm out there in the audience, how can I sign up, how can I learn more, how can I get to know about more of what you're doing and see if I can get this work for me? Yeah, I think anybody who really wants to understand how to use AI correctly, you know, we got together with five friends of mine, and we created this thing called the AI Learning Alliance. and, you know, the yearly membership is $99, and they can take all the training we offer.

I sponsor them from the university, so the courses that we charge $700 to go to are free to them once they pay their membership fee. We just want people to understand the two key things are, you know, how do you learn how to talk correctly to AI because if you get you know we're in texting mode right now and when we talk and you do that with AI it doesn't have enough information but it'll always give you an answer you know the other side of it is how do you build these agents like I'm building and we teach that in the class too and we want people to know how to do these things we also teach them you know how to play with the stuff you can you know you go to suno.com and you can create a song you know and then you can we we teach them

things like you create they're called lauras of yourself of your your head in 96 positions and so it can it can figure out what to do with you and then you put yourself in you know an iron man costume or superman costume and you have your own little uh movie skit that you do so we we'll teach them all of that, but, you know, the primary things that they need to learn is how to talk correctly. We built a tool for our consulting team. We had about 25,000 associates out there that can build a class in under 10 minutes, complete the lesson plan, the slide deck, a video trailer for the course, a facilitator guide, a student workbook, you know, the whole. The whole shebang in under 10 minutes.

It's like rated by OpenAI is 4,340 times faster than traditional methods. I mean, people get worried they're going to lose their job. Instead, we change the metrics here from the one-size-fits-all classes to, hey, I just need to know what Chris Boss doesn't know about this topic. And I'll just teach him 10 minutes of that instead of putting them in two-week class. Yeah, that would be ideal, too, because one of the things I did, I flunked all through school. But when I graduated high school, I started my first company, 18, and I started reading Harvard Business Review, because I wanted to basically create my own custom MBA without having to go to college and have to learn all the other stuff. It's kind of fluff. I mean, really.

You know, it's kind of interesting. Sometimes you end up using a lot of that stuff. You know, Steve Jobs talks about how he would go to typesetting class. And that's one thing. That was like the key to the success of the Mac computer. And he liked it. But that was the biggest problem I had was I wanted to learn certain things that were important to me and the vision that I wanted to build for my life and design.

But I didn't want to learn the other stuff. And the other stuff, it's not to say that it's not important. And it actually can really help you in life by having that library. But for me, I was already a businessman. And so I just needed to focus on that. And so being able to have something like, what you mentioned there, you know, where I could tune that focus or it could know, like, there's nothing worse than when you're in a class, and they're telling you half the class,

half the class time is something you already know. You're just like, Jesus. Or what's worse, they tell you something to know, and you know they're wrong because you have experience and they just have been picking out for the last 20 years. As we go out, give people a final pitch out to reach out to you guys on board, find out more, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, come on to our website, esourceu.com. We've got a chat bot, for lack of another term, it's actually an agentic AI agent, but you can click on it and have a conversation with it, ask it any question you want, why should I come to your class, you know, what's the future like, and it'll just talk to you.

And if you wanted to talk to me, it'll tell you how to do that. You can just go to our legacy page and you can talk to my digital twin, enjoy it like my wife enjoys it versus talking to me. live and you can do that about 20 minutes but just to see the experience what we want people to learn is where this technology can go if we handle it right right now it's in you know

the hands of all the smart technical people and sometimes you know we we look at 404 errors kind of coding you know instead of the you know how we can relate to it and that's what we want you to learn. So come enjoy us, you know, think about joining the AI Learning Alliance. You'll learn a lot about this stuff. You'll meet the heads of a lot of different companies that have done things

for your phone. I don't want to try and give away too much of what they have, but there's an ask the experts series. Lots of people that are pretty smart, you know, have developed things from, say, like Siri, like Alexa, you know, and all those tools, it'd be fun to learn from. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for coming on. This is really insightful. Lots of great technology discussions we had today. Awesome sauce.

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